1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Ron and Nanian. The government sent out a notice that 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: they're looking for mechanics. Did you see the notice about 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: they're looking for mechanics. All of a sudden, the country 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: has realized that there is a shortage of trained automobile technicians. 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: And like, now you just woke up to this, and 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: I think that makes you go the car doctor. I 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: want your opinion because I don't understand how a pill 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: pump can put pressure too high, the sense that tells 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: the computer to tell the mod or what to do, right, 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: because this is a returnless system, so they're looking at 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: fuel real pressure. Welcome to the radio home of Ron 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: and Nanian, the Car Doctor, since this is where car 13 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, 15 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in the garage to 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: orders are open. But I am here to take your 17 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: call at eight five five and now running well. Heidi 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: ho and welcome to the car Doctor running the Indian 19 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: at your service. Um, what a week in the shop right, 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: It's it's always great in July because the shop is 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: air conditioned and even so when it's a hundred and 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: two degrees out on the tarmac, tarmac out in front 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: of the shop. Maybe it's hot outside and you're struggling 24 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: just to try and stay hydrated and keep cool and 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: and and get the cars done. And it's just like 26 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: a wall of heat when you walk out in front 27 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: of the shop on these days. And uh, you know, 28 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't make me miss January though, because I take 29 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: the heat over January when it's you know, the wind's 30 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: howling and it's twenty below. So but welcome, welcome to July. Everybody. Um, 31 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: I hope you're taking care of your car. I hope 32 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: your condition he is working well. Uh. Some of the requests, 33 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: some of the comments, some of the questions that we're getting, Um, 34 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: you know, I noticed that a lot of you are 35 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: you're driving older cars. Are you're fixing older cars, You're 36 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: attempting to fix older cars. We had a couple this 37 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,279 Speaker 1: week in the shop. We had a ninety five Chevy 38 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: S ten pickup that had a one thousand miles on 39 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: it and it had a slew of problems. It had 40 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: a misfire on cylinder five. It had an O two 41 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: heater or circuit fault. It had a purge fault in 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: the evap admission system. It had some oil leaks, which 43 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: you know, I don't worry so much about oil leaks 44 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: on older vehicles. Keeps the chassis from rusting, depending on 45 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: how bed of a leak it is. Power steering hose 46 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: had a pretty good leak in it. Kind of nasty. Uh. 47 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: There were some other things going on with it as 48 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: far as the air conditioning. The somebody had replaced the 49 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: air conditioning compressor prior to us. This is our first 50 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: time seeing the vehicle, and this was the old R 51 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: four round rotary compressor style, and typically when those failed, 52 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: they grenade it internally and they put metal through the system. Well, 53 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: it had the original condens or. The condenser hadn't been replaced, 54 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: and I'm assuming the orifice tube was not replaced because 55 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: it was out of refrigerant. I pulled a vacuum on it. 56 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: It held. Vacuum doesn't necessarily mean the system does not 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: have leaks, as we found out, because you know, testing 58 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: system under vacuum versus testing a system under pressure is 59 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: two different things, very different circumstances. And it asked to 60 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: vacuum test, put some refrigerant in it, and sure enough 61 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: the high side service port the ball seat valve was 62 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: leaking and we couldn't get it to receipts, so you know, 63 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: we knew we had a leak there. I put a 64 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: cap on it for the purpose of testing. I want 65 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: to see if the system would below cold, and it 66 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: pulled it into a vacuum. It pulled low side into 67 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: a vacuum. High sight pressure went high, which tells me 68 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: there's a restriction in the system. So or if his 69 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: tube or or condenser or both, okay, one of one 70 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: of two or three of the combination of and what 71 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: do you do with a vehicle like that? You know 72 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: you've got to break this down. This guy wants to 73 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: drive the car. He said, Hey, you know it was 74 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: my dad's car. My dad passed. I want to keep 75 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: it as a testimony to your father, even though my 76 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: wife doesn't want to do that. And you know, listen, 77 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: one of the things I've learned as I've gotten older 78 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: is you know, you've got to listen to what everybody's saying. 79 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: And um, when the wife says, don't keep the vehicle, boy, 80 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: you know that sort of takes precedent over everything. So 81 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to make it happy. I wanted to make 82 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: his wife happy. I wanted to be happy. Why not? 83 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: And I figured, let me attack this thing the most 84 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: logical way I know how to me. Out of all 85 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: the faults with it, between the oil leaks and the 86 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: power steering league and the air conditioning problem and the 87 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: O two codes in the perch, the misfire fault was 88 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: the most predominant. The misfire on cylinder five was the worst. 89 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: And you know, listen, if if it's got a misfire 90 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: and it turns out to be something mechanical on the 91 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: eighty thousand mile vehicle, that's almost let's see, it's almost 92 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: twenty seven going on thirty years old, depending on what 93 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: your perspective is. Um, you're not gonna fix an engine 94 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: on something that old. We won't have the conversation about 95 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: there's no place to get it fixed anyway. But this 96 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: is a four point three motor with the central port injector. 97 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: This has one injector with a little plastic poppet valves 98 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: in it that was so notorious to fail back in 99 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: the day when more of these room the land. And 100 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, could it be a bad injector, No, it 101 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: could be a bad poppet sticking open because the misfire 102 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: wasn't there all the time. It was only there when 103 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: the engine was called, when you first started it, and 104 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: somebody had been in there prior to us. You see 105 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,679 Speaker 1: new cap rotor wires, new spark plugs. Somebody was working 106 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: on a trying to solve the misfire, but they hadn't 107 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: come down to the final solution yet. And I tell 108 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: you this story because you know, I want you to 109 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: see where my line of thinking was going. And if 110 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: you disagree, let me know. In that you know, let's 111 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: assume it's not ignition. All the parts are knew, it 112 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: was all Delco stuff. It was all looked like it 113 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: was properly installed instant. The issues that way. Fuel trim 114 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: looked normal. I didn't see any issues with fuel trim 115 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: as I was watching it. This is a vehicle, so 116 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: it was the first year O B D two. I 117 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: was using my O B D two scanner. I wasn't 118 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: getting too fancy as far as tools were concerned. But 119 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: I you know, number five was the miss Number five 120 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: was and it was only their cold well back in 121 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: the day when there were more four point three's out there. 122 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: When the head gas gets failed. They would always fail cold, 123 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: it seemed, and it was usually the last cylinder on 124 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: the driver's side, number five. So I thought about it 125 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: and I explained it to the customer. I said, listen, 126 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: here's how we're going to attack this. You know, to 127 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: do a head gasket on a vehicle of this age, 128 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: you can't just do one side. You can't just do 129 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: both sides. You're gonna You're gonna pull the engine out. 130 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: It's leaking oil. You know, we don't know what oil 131 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: consumption is. If any, we don't know much about it. 132 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: You've got to rebuild the engine. To put an engine 133 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: in anything today is easily four to five grand on 134 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: this thirty year old. I just want to make this 135 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: vehicle for my father and be a testimony to my father, 136 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: a monument, which I told him, I said, you can 137 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: park it on the front, lun take a picture, be 138 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: just as good a monument. His wife liked that IDEA 139 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: bottle of CA seal. I said, let's put a bottle 140 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: of K seal in it. I explained it to him 141 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: that K seal is a great cooling system sealer. It 142 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: works well with head gasket issues such as this. If 143 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: it's seeping all right, and that's where we left it. 144 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: I poured a bottle of K Seal in it. I'm 145 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: waiting to hear back the results. And here's my argument. 146 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: If K seal fixes this vehicle and it no longer 147 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: misfires cold, then we know it's a head gasket issue. 148 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: And now he can make a determination. Does he want 149 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: to go ahead with the other stuff for some reason? 150 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: And I don't. I don't think it will not fix 151 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: the head gasket issue, or if it's something else. And 152 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: that's how much confidence I have in Casey. If the 153 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: misfire is still there, I'm gonna start to look towards 154 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: fuel because it's not going to be a head gasket issue. 155 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: But my point is, for under a hundred bucks, I 156 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: was able to come to a diagnostic conclusion and say, hey, 157 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: it's either a head gasket or it's gonna be something 158 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: else if the problem continues. Got that old car out 159 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: of the way. More info at case dot com. By 160 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: the way, the next one that rolled in the door, 161 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: this was the Week of Old Cars. Two Buick Roadmaster, 162 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: a thirty year old vehicle with two thousand miles on it. 163 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I must have a sign out front 164 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: that says, bring me You're tired, your weary, your old, 165 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: your old car. I guess I you know I should 166 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: stand like this with the torch that could be Mr. 167 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: Statue of Liberty. This one had a bad axle bearing 168 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: on the right side rear, and you know it's it's 169 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: staggering to me. I said to my wife, I said, 170 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: you know, I must be getting old because I'm working 171 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: on all these cars from around the time when I was, 172 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: you know, breaking in, when I was in the industry 173 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: ten or twelve years, and all of a sudden, I'm 174 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: seeing the cars that I worked on then now and 175 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: the frustration is as in the case of this Buick 176 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: Roadmaster that needed an axle bearing, well, it had chewed 177 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: up the axle and I couldn't get an axle shift 178 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: for it. Obviously GM doesn't make them anymore. UM, I've 179 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: tried and listen before anybody writes me fourteen emails, because 180 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: I know you guys love to write emails about the 181 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: things that think you would have done. Before anybody has 182 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: any comments about axle savers. If you've got an axle saver, 183 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: and axle saver takes the bearing and relocates it to 184 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: a different part of the existing bad axle shift the 185 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: axle shaft that's all chewed up. Take that axle saver 186 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: and use as a paperweight on your desk. You'll get 187 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: more life out of it because I've done the axle 188 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: saver routine and typically within a year or fourteen once 189 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: it comes back to bite you. And it's not what 190 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: I consider a permanent fix. I did a little research 191 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: Dormant more info at Dormant Products dot com. U Dorman 192 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: is making axle chefts and I was able to order 193 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: an axle chaft for the right side rear through my 194 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: suppliers from Dormant. Came direct popped in, nice axle, nice studs, 195 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: all the parts you need to put it in. I 196 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: got that one back on the road, And I guess 197 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: the point of this open and the point of this 198 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: conversation is that as these vehicles get older, we've got 199 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: to start to think outside the box of traditional repair. 200 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: We've got to look, you know, and certainly Dormant is 201 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: not outside the realm of traditional repair. Dormant is definitely 202 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: a part supplier in this day and age, as they've 203 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: always been UM but k c O was a little 204 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: different on the head, guest, get issue car. Um, you 205 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: know GM doesn't make the part. Go look at dormant 206 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: all right, you can find them online, Like I said, 207 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: Dorman Products dot Com. You know, we've got to if 208 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: we're going to keep old cars going, we've got to 209 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: look in places we may not traditionally look the very 210 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: first time and then get used to it, because there's 211 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: clearly a market for old cars. There's clearly a demand 212 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: and a need for parts, especially when look at the 213 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: fact that there's no cars left to sell in the dealers. 214 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: I went by the one dealer that I always typically 215 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: go by, UM here in New Jersey, and I think 216 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: he's increased the number of cars on a lot from 217 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: one to four. This week, he's got four new vehicles 218 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: out front. I can't imagine the price tag on him. Um, 219 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: you know, I just I look at the market premium. 220 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how the dealers are staying in business. 221 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: I really don't. I think I think they deserve a 222 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: tribute of some kind because they're struggling and uh, you know, 223 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: as we all are, so just just just amazing stuff. Anyway, 224 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: let's let's pull over, take a pause. Let me say, 225 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: let Mr Tom Mr tom Um, you're looking well in 226 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: shipp Or today. Everything good up there, Everything's happy. Yeah, 227 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: So sleeping here looking out the window and rather than 228 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: looking at you, which is a better thing. So how 229 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: do we say that? Stayed again the one where we 230 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: we have a new affiliate coming up in two weeks. Right, Nevada. 231 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: It's not Nevada, it's Nevada, Nevada, Nevada, Nevada. So I 232 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: learned how to say Nevada this week, everybody, So, yes, 233 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: I did. I had to. I said it right, So 234 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: I said in Nevada. Um got to the point where 235 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't talk anymore. Talk so it sounded like I 236 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: was from Baston five five five zero nine zero running 237 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: any of the Car Doctor coming back right after this 238 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: for the best in car advice, give Ron a call 239 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero Now, 240 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: Factor Ron, Hey, let's uh, let's go over to Jimmy 241 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: and Virginia and have some questions about your royal Jimmy. 242 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. How can I help? Oh? 243 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. You're welcome, sir. What's going on? Uh? Um? 244 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: I want to talk about differential fluid. I have a 245 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: three part question, if you'll allow me. I'm having a 246 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: little trouble, all right. I'm big on preventive maintenance on 247 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: all my cars, and UM, I'm having a little trouble 248 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: finding the exact viscostity for the fluid seventy nine and 249 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: also on one fluid they specifically men and hypoid gear oil. 250 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: Do all fluids have hide in them? I believe that's 251 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: an additive. I believe it has to say it on 252 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: the on the package. I haven't cheese. I haven't heard 253 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: that term in probably fifteen years. Um, you know that's 254 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: that's it's And what kind of vehicles are we talking about, Jimmy, Um, 255 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 1: one of them, the FJA Cruiser, the front and roar 256 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: differential g L five. Now the transfer case it's seventy ninety, 257 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: it's slightly different, and there it mentions a hypoid gear oil, 258 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: and they're all with JAIL five, right, which is a 259 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: quality rating, I guess right. My understanding of hyphoid is 260 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: it's an additive that's put in the gear oil to 261 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: help prevent wear and other issues that could occur. So 262 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: I think that's an aditate package that has to be added. 263 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: As far as the difference between seventy eight and seventy 264 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: five ninety. I think I think we're splitting hairs, all right, 265 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: To be very honest with you, all right, Um, you 266 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: know one of them said, well, you know, and in 267 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: the real world, you know what really happens. Um, I 268 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: can tell you this. I've actually I've I'm gonna use 269 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: the word fret. Frettings on my mind because that's another story, 270 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna use the word fret. I've fretted over 271 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: gear oil viscosity to the point that I've driven myself mad. 272 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: And a while back I started to realize that as 273 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: I would call dealers for hey, do you have seventy 274 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: eighty five? And then what are you working on? And 275 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: I tell them, not just you seventy nineties? What we 276 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: pour all day long? Um, you know we're seventy eighty. 277 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: What do you pour? We pour seventy to do that 278 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: all day long? Um. Three years ago, we had to 279 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: put a differential in a customer's O seven Chevy Tahoe 280 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: a front iff and there were no parts. There were 281 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: no parts available for it. GM discontinued what we needed. 282 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: We can only get bits and pieces. We ended up 283 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: buying a complete rank re manufactured axle from Jasper. Jasper 284 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: makes front differentials and real differentials as well as their engines. 285 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: And when when we got the jazz Or front differential, 286 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: here's a vehicle from the factory that I believe takes 287 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: seventy nineties synthetic gear oil. All right, GM required that 288 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: or that was their recommendation, that was what they wanted. 289 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: Jazz persented to us we were putting conventional gear oil 290 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: in it. And when I asked why, because Jazzsper determined 291 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: that it was better for the gears and the bearings. 292 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: You know, I think a lot of this is based 293 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: on what the engineers originally thinking, and sometimes with the 294 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: engineer as to originally design, and I think some of 295 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: it is based on and a lot of it, I'm 296 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: sure obviously friction levels and they're concerned they're trying to 297 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: hit specific fuel economy numbers. They're trying to hit caffeine 298 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: and that's part of it, because you know, different viscosities 299 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: affect drag and affect friction and affect fuel economy. And 300 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: I think it's something you know that you have to 301 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: look at and consider and say, hey, what's the point 302 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: of practicality, one of my favorite, one of my favorite 303 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: gear oils, and then I'll let you ask you. The 304 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: next question is go out to go out to ams 305 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: Oil if you want to, if you want to see 306 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: something really nice. Amaz Oil makes something called Severe Gear 307 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: seventy nine, which is designed for high dressed conditions if 308 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: you're off roading, or you're using it in an equipment application, 309 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: or you want maximum protection. So you know there is 310 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: that option too. You can go look at something like that, 311 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: and that's from the folks over at amaz Oil. Your 312 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: second question, okay, Um, Like I said, I'm real big 313 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: on preventing maintenance, and we know weather cool is AWF 314 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm gonna start changing some of these fluids. 315 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: I was out in the garage looking around. I've got 316 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: two brand new containers of seventy five dash on synthetic. 317 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: What in the world was I putting that in? And 318 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: would you use that? You're probably putting that. You're probably 319 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: putting that in a Ford vehicle. Did you have a 320 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: FOURD You're probably right. I've got a thunderbird, but you 321 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: know the Magagnulan thunderbird and only specified. Yeah, maybe you 322 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: bought it. Maybe you bought it for the wrong vehicle, 323 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: then that typically went in Ford trucks. It went in 324 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: some GM rear axles. Uh. You know, keep in mind 325 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: that the idea of it's not just the viscosity. That 326 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: if if the application called for it, sure, um okay, 327 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: but if not, you wouldn't because I looked up before, 328 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what I bought that I wouldn't. I 329 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't just use it at random. I'd have to have 330 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: a reason. You have to have an understanding of it. 331 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: But you know, keep in mind what I was gonna 332 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: say was, it's not just the viscosity, it's the base 333 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: oil that the that the fluid is made from mineral 334 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: oil versus a synthetic And then they have some semisynthetic blends, right, 335 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,119 Speaker 1: And the point becomes that the the synthetic, the synthetic 336 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: gear oil tends to have a better ability to withstand 337 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: the heat and the torture that the gear oil goes through, 338 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: and you know, helps helps with anti foaming and some 339 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: of the other things that go on. I've had guys 340 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: tell me that when they tow, they've caused synthetic fluid 341 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: to evaporate because in their minds it's thinner, and it 342 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: tends to wear out more. And then I've had guys 343 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: tell me that when they've switched to synthetic, they'll change 344 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: the gear oil and they'll find that the synthetic holds 345 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: up better. They see less signs of damage and discoloration 346 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: and overheating and fluid contamination. I really think, and i'll 347 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: close it here. I really think gear oil is probably 348 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: one of the most misunderstood or miss maintained fluids on 349 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: a vehicle today, whether it's in a transmission, transfer case 350 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: or a differential, front or rear. I think it's something 351 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: that needs regular maintenance. Gear oil is gear oil. I 352 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: don't care what the manufacturer says. It's subject to abuse, corrosion, moisture, contamination, 353 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: and it should be changed on a much more frequent 354 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: basis than what I see people doing and what you're 355 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: doing for what your vehicles are. You're going to get 356 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: longer life, you know what. It's just as expensive to 357 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: rebuild a manual transmission, a transfer case and in some 358 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: cases a differential as it is an automatic, and we 359 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: change automatic transmission fluid on a much more regular basis. 360 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: I think I appreciate the call Jimmy, and I appreciate 361 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: the questions you're thinking, and I like that you give 362 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: us a call back when you need more. I'm running 363 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: any in the car Doctor. I'll be back right after this. 364 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back running the car Doctor. Here at eight five 365 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: five five zero zero. Let's go over to Paul in Maryland. 366 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: Some questions on fuel systems. Paul, Welcome to the car Doctor, Sir. 367 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: How can I help? Hey, Ron, how are you doing today? 368 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: Good man? What's cooking? Good? Good? So I got a 369 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: seven two miles UM the earlier, I guess it was 370 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: probably last week. It's stalled out on me going to work, 371 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: driving down the road. I was able to get over 372 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: to the side, Uh, let it sit for a minute, 373 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: started back up, and I had a pending um H 374 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: one nine one. It never said a hard code, and 375 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: then that went away, and so I was continued to 376 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: drive it a little bit and um then now I've 377 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: got a check engine light on, and then I have 378 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: a P one S one lean on bank, lean on 379 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: bank one? Right? All right, are you there? Okay, go ahead, Paul. 380 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: I thought we left here for a minute. Go ahead, 381 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: And so I'm just kind of wondering where to go 382 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: it's I've had a fuel pump put in it, and 383 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: the fuel pump driver module has been replaced at least once. 384 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: All right, so you know one nine one is a 385 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: fuel rail pressure sensor performance fault. And what they're doing 386 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: is and when you say it's stalled out, you know, 387 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: to me, stalling is you're sitting in a traffic lighter 388 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: stop sign and it's stalls. Were you traveling at speed 389 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: when it happened. Yeah, I was driving along probably about 390 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: forty five or so in my mind, So we're on 391 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: the same page. Diagnostically speaking, that's cutting out or or 392 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: you know, shutting off at that point. It's not a 393 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 1: stall um, so you know, couldn't And was it that 394 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: you're pushing down on the pedal and it just didn't 395 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: want to accelerate, It didn't want to go anywhere. Um, 396 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: I guess kind of. But then it just cut out 397 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: completely and I put it in the neutral and co hosted, 398 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: so it sort of felt like you were running out 399 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: of fuel. Yes, matches the symptom right right, right, So 400 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: so A one nine one is a fault in fuel 401 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: rail pressure sensor performance. Now, what they're doing is, because 402 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: this is a returnless fuel system. All right. They you know, 403 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: they'll they'll pulse with the pump. They'll run the pump 404 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: up to a certain pressure based on what the fuel 405 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: rail pressure sensor says it's got, and based on demand. 406 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: You know, if you're if you've got your foot through 407 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: the headlights and it sees wide open throttle angle and 408 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: you know, under heavy engine load, it's going, Hey, this 409 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: guy needs all the fuel he can get. It's gonna 410 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: look at the fuel real pressure sensor and say it's 411 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: at thirty five pounds. It's not enough. He needs forty five. 412 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: And it's gonna run the pump more and build up pressure, 413 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: all on the blink of an eye. All right. So 414 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: it saw a glitch. It's saw a one nine one, 415 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: and it said, hey, wait a minute, what's going on here? 416 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: Could we have an intermittent Could we have an intermittent 417 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: fuel rail pressure sensor? Sure? Could we have a leaking 418 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: fuel rail pressure sensor? Sure? I would. I would pull 419 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: the electrical plug out of the sensor and just look 420 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: to see is the electrical connector wet is it showing me? 421 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: Is it showing me any signs of fuel? Uh? You know, 422 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: you could also plug in a scan tool with some 423 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: decent capability as long as it's got the ability from 424 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: your make model by manufacturer, and you could actually watch 425 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: fuel pressure by scan tool. And the way you're the 426 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: way you're doing that is you're doing that by you know, 427 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: the computer is looking at the fuel rail pressure sensor. 428 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: That's where that that's where the number comes from. So 429 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: you know, you could do that. Take the vehicle for 430 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: a ride, and if the vehicle feels like it's losing power, 431 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: watch the f RP. Does it does it look like 432 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: it's you know, does it look like it's losing pressure? Now? 433 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: The other thing is somewhere in that pit list those 434 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: pieces of data you will see it will see um 435 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: desired fuel pressure and actual fuel pressure. So if it's saying, hey, 436 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: I need sixty p s I, you know, and it's 437 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: it's it's only got forty two, it's kind of like 438 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: Captain Kirk saying, Scotty, I need all warp drive now 439 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: or we're doomed. Um. You know, it's just saying give 440 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: me all you got and it just may not be 441 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: able to. If you're seeing sixty and a request is 442 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: sixty and the truck continues to stall, we've got something 443 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: else going on all right now the one seven one. 444 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: What I would do for that is do you have 445 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: a scan tool? Can can it read data stream? Okay? 446 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: So what I would do is I would go look 447 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: at fuel trim for both banks. Do you understand the 448 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: theory of fuel trim right? Yeah, I'm actually looking at 449 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: it right now. Okay, So watch fuel trim all right. 450 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: For the sake of this conversation and simplicity, a one 451 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: seven one will set on the average vehicle when we 452 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: have a combined total fuel trim of around long and 453 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: short term. Short term is what you had for lunch today. 454 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: Long term is what you've had for lunch the past 455 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: five days that made you want to have lunch, what 456 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: you did for today? Right, So long terms history, short 457 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: terms present um. When you hit bang one seven one 458 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: happens because bank ones running lean if bank too has 459 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: a total fuel trim of well, it's set a fault 460 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: code for it, right, it's gonna happen where that's that's 461 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: that's that's the spec. That's the limit. So the mistake 462 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: everybody makes or can make or may make. And I've 463 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: I've been there, done that. You get mentally, you just 464 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: forget is you start looking for things that are affecting 465 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: Bank one. Go look at fuel trim. If if Bank 466 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: one is the only one that's showing over in Bank 467 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: two is running fourteen, Yeah, I'm gonna kind of look 468 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: more at Bank one. What are my potential problems here? 469 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: Do I have plugged injectors? Do I have a vacuum leak? 470 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: And then again it depends on where the fuel trim 471 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: is high. If the fuel trim is off kilter at 472 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: idle and it goes away as the engine speeds up, 473 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna look more for a vacuum leak. If it's 474 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: better at idle and gets worse as the vehicles going 475 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: down the road, I'm gonna look for something more involved 476 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: in fuel delivery. If it's bank bank to going down 477 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: the road, I'm gonna start to think. Do I have 478 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: a mass airflow sensor under reporting? Do I have an 479 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: intake boot? You know the duct after the mass airflow 480 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: sensor that's open and it's allowing unmetered air to come 481 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: into the engine and create a lean condition, So you know, 482 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: it's it's it all depends on you know, what we're 483 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: seeing and what we're looking for. And then when you 484 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: eliminate all the obvious and everything else that the vehicle 485 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: has a break booster. Could the brake booster be contributing 486 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: to it? You start to isolate, um, you know, you 487 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: start to think about you have to think about things 488 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: like EVAP. I go into purge valves. Although a purge valve, 489 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: If a purge valve is constantly stuck open, you would 490 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: think that you would show a rich condition. It would 491 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: be driving fuel trims the other way until until you 492 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: find where the animal shoot on the line down at 493 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: the canister and it's actually drawing fresh air. Um. And 494 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: it hasn't set the EVAP fault first because it's set 495 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: the lean fold. It's a It was a long story. 496 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: It was a tough vehicle. It had more than one 497 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: problem going on. So I always look at everything, um, 498 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, just just as food for thought. Last thing 499 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: you've got when you look at your scan tool, do 500 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: you see a pit called calculated load? Uh? Okay, So 501 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: sitting there at idle in the driveway, you've got calculated 502 00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: load probably somewhere around Oh, I don't know, something like that. 503 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: Take the absolute load and it's showing. Okay, So take 504 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: the vehicle out on the highway. I believe absolute load 505 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: and calculated calculated load of the same thing. But just 506 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: look and see if there's a calculated load pit sometimes 507 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: there's a difference. You should you should see when you 508 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: put when you take the vehicle out somewhere on on 509 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: a on a quiet side street or a desert road 510 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: where there's nobody around, put your foot through the headlight. 511 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: You should see calculated load go to or better? All right? 512 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: And it's actually or better if it won't go above. 513 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: Now I'm starting to think I've got a mass airflow 514 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: sensor that can't report. And then last thing, does your 515 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: does your scan tools show grams per second or airflow 516 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: grams per second? It varies by pit, it varies by manufacturer. 517 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: If your scan tool has the ability to go into 518 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: O B D two and not your make model, use 519 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: that side of it, all right. If this ends, what 520 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: engines in this truck? Okay, So you've got a five 521 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: four motor, right you? You should see roughly four to 522 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: six grams of airflow at idle, all right, you know, 523 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: and I'm giving you a little bit of a wide range. 524 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: Believe it or not. You'll typically see on a healthy 525 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: motor four point eight to five point seven, it will 526 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: be real tight to the to the leader displacement. That's 527 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: just the rule of thumb we've gone by for the 528 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: longest time, and it always, it always seems to come 529 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: from the point of truth. That um an engine will 530 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: flow at idle grams per second based on its leaders 531 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: is just a number that seems to work out in 532 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: the industry. Try that if you're seeing it under reporting. 533 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: If you're seeing three grams of air flow or eight 534 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: grams of air flow, I'd start to think, you know, 535 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: do we have a mass air problem, a duct problem? 536 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: Do we have a restriction? Is there a plastic bag 537 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: stuck in the air intake horn? Uh? That's it's clocking airflow. Uh. 538 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: You know, I've I've seen all kinds of crazy things 539 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: in my career. All right, kiddo, dude, do those things 540 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: and give me a shout back. We can talk some 541 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: more and you know we'll take it from there. If 542 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: you need more good to talk to you, Paul, I'm 543 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: running any of the car Doctor. I'll be back right 544 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: after this. Welcome back, ran any of the car doct 545 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: Let's get over to tim in Maine with a seventeen 546 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: Chevy Silverado Tim, tell me about this truck. Yes, we 547 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: got here about a year ago and the first six 548 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: months was fine. Then the batteries, we thought the battery 549 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: kept running down. So it's four or five years old anyway, 550 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: So I post it and uh, three days after that 551 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: it wouldn't start again. When you say it wouldn't start, Tim, 552 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: is that that the battery is dead or that it's 553 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: a longer than normal crank time, Well, we crank crank 554 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: really slow, okay, and uh right after, you know, shortly 555 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: after we put that battery in like three days or 556 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: just that. But now what it's doing is it just clicks. 557 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: I mean it won't even crank over it all to 558 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: go out and started just cut cluck, click click. If 559 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: you put a booster on it, your starts up. And 560 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: does it when it starts up, does it start normal? Yeah? Fantastic? 561 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: All right. So, and so what you're telling me is 562 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: the batteries going dead. How long does the vehicle sit 563 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: in between uses? Well, we thought that was the case. 564 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: We've taken it to the Chevy place and everything, and 565 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: they can't find nothing wrong on whatsoever. We thought it 566 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: was a battery. But the battery, I guess it isn't 567 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: going dead because you go out and go click click 568 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: click click, and you go back in the house. You 569 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: might come back out and it starts out beautiful and 570 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: runs like nothing down the road, shout it off and 571 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: goes click click click click again. Okay, listen, let also 572 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: also come across. Go ahead. I was gonna say, let's 573 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: let listen to me, because we'll we'll, we'll run out 574 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: of time. What you're describing is you're describing an intermittent 575 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: slow crank or no crank and shi in at other 576 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: times it cranks normally. Correct. Okay, Um, here's the list. 577 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: You got a pencil and paper. Okay. First thing I 578 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: want somebody to do is scan it for codes. I 579 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: know there's no check engine light on. I just want 580 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: to be sure, al right, it's not an unreasonable request. 581 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: I want a load test done to the battery. I 582 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: want the battery to be given a stress test to 583 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: be sure that the battery, whatever batteries in there at 584 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: this point, is a good battery. Okay, Um, I want 585 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: volt I want a voltage measurement. You know, today Saturday 586 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: at at two fifty one pm, it's reading twelve point 587 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: five vaults. If we let the vehicle sit there, and 588 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: we go up to it Sunday at two fifte twenty 589 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: four hour period. What's standing voltage. If it was twelve 590 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: five yesterday, it should be within two tents of a 591 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: vault today. If it's if it's eleven point nine, there's 592 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: a drain on the system, or there's we've got a 593 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: bad battery that we just haven't figured out how to 594 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: test it yet. All right, if we prove the battery 595 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: to be correct in every circumstance, and I've gone to 596 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: the extreme on some vehicles where I will physically pull 597 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: the battery out of the vehicle, charge it on the bench, 598 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: proper procedure with a good charger. When I say a 599 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: good charger, we've got associated battery chargers in the shop 600 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: that are all computer controlled that you can tell it 601 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: C C A, here's the desire, will hook up, it 602 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: will plug in, It will tell you, hey, this is 603 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: what we've gotten. It will automatically charge the battery. It's 604 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: not just you know, crank a battery charger around and 605 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: let it run until it, you know, overheats and and 606 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: it's charged. Is there's a procedure for cranking batteries, all right? 607 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: So they've got to be using a good quality battery 608 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: charger like an associated Once I once I rule out 609 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: the battery and I still have an intermittent crank or 610 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: no crank or click condition, I've got to think about 611 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: battery cables. I've got to think about the starter itself. 612 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: You're up in Maine, all right, You've got assault and 613 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: corrosion issue, especially in the winter. I would I would 614 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: take a look at the starter itself. There's a copper 615 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: wound wire. There's a heavy gauge copper wound wire that 616 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: goes between the solenoid or the top of the starter 617 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: and the starter armature. On certain models, and then some 618 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: of the others, the starter itself is so corroded it 619 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: starts to fall apart. I would take a hard look 620 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: at the starter, all right, and then I would go 621 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: through and I would look at a starter wiring diagram 622 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: and clean all the grounds. I just went through this 623 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 1: for a different issue on a Chevy pickup, and I 624 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: solved it by cleaning all the grounds. Sometimes by doing 625 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: all this, you're gonna baseline at least you know what 626 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: you're up against. The Chevy dealer said they didn't find anything. 627 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: Ask him what kind of tests they did. Call me 628 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: back next week and let me know. Because when a 629 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: shop says that we didn't find anything, there's nothing wrong, 630 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: that tells me the shops not trying hard enough do 631 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: those tests. And let's take it from there. Zero the 632 00:32:52,200 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: Car Doctor will return right after this. We welcome back. 633 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: I guess it's my turn to talk, so Ron, any 634 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: of the car docuate your service. By the way, the 635 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: phone number eight five zero zero seven. You can call 636 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: the number anytime, day or night, leave a message. We 637 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: are live on the network on the air Saturday's two 638 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: to four pm East Coast time, and Tom Ray, the 639 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: executive producer of this show and producer extraordinaire, will call 640 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: you back and put you in the live queue for 641 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: the next live broadcast. 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