1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been a lot of gossip and scandal and 2 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: press and discussion about The Housewives and my coming back 3 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: and my leaving, and I think I'm better than everybody, 4 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: and I should never come back because it's a train 5 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: wreck and the New York show is falling into the ocean, 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: and that I should come back because it would make 7 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: people happy, and you know all of this. So I 8 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: am just going to address it in the next couple 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: of episodes on this podcast because this is the only 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: place I can truly have my voice and just say 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: what I really feel. That's not a SoundBite or a 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: hundred and forty character tweet. This is just a place 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: that I am speaking honestly and not being edited, filtered 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: and jammed into a pull quote. So here we go. 15 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: I want to talk about my trajectory from the beginning 16 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: of The Housewives to now. This is something that is 17 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: a question I get so often. Are you coming back 18 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: to the Housewives? Will you save the Housewives? Can you 19 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: save the Housewives? The Housewives is falling into the Hudson 20 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: River and so desperately needs you. Now that is so flattering, 21 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: because to leave something and have it not be doing 22 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: well in it in a progressive way. Years ago, I 23 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: left and the ratings declined significantly, really really significantly, and 24 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: I came back and the ratings increased, And the second 25 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: time I left, the ratings declined significantly again. If it 26 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: continue to do so, certainly that's not that's not on 27 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: my shoulders alone. But that doesn't often happen. Usually everyone 28 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: just sort of goes on without you and you're not 29 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: really missed. Um. So that's really flattering. And I really 30 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: don't deserve all of that praise because there are many 31 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: things that go into making a television show and its success. 32 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: But nevertheless, still years after leaving for the second time, 33 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: having people reach out all the time, I mean daily 34 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: saying are you coming back? Please come back, we need 35 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: you back, and everyone having an opinion on that has 36 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: uh has benefits and drawbacks. So I could literally say 37 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: hi on Twitter, just come out and say hi, and 38 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: then people will say she's coming back. This is your 39 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: announcement that you're coming back, which is so funny, and 40 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: like I said, I can't say enough. It's so flattering. Um, 41 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: I left twice. I was first on for three seasons, 42 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: which you know, these housewives have been going on for 43 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: some some of the shows eleven and twelve season, so 44 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: I left. I was only on for three seasons, and 45 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: then I left for three seasons, which is substantial. And 46 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: it was a similar thing, will you come back? We 47 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: need you to come back. The house always needs you back, um, 48 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: and that you're the car A Bradshaw of the Housewives. 49 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: And I came back, um, and I'm gonna get into that, 50 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get into the money of it and 51 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: what happened there. And then I came back I think 52 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: for four seasons. Maybe I don't think it was five. 53 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: I think it was four. And now I've been gone 54 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: four two So it's always amazing to me how fresh 55 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: it is as if I left yesterday and the people 56 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: are still asking the question. If someone messages me you're 57 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: my favorite Housewife, you're oh my god, I love your show. 58 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: And I know that they're talking about the Housewives. They're 59 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: not talking about my Bethany talk show. They're not talking 60 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: about my The Big Shot with Bethany, which um is 61 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: a show that I did to find uh an employee 62 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: on HBO Max Uh that wasn't done to do for 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: the rest of my life that I wanted to create 64 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: the new Apprentice and every season be finding more staff 65 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: because I don't frankly need more staff. People came the 66 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: HBO said, people came to see me. It didn't matter 67 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: if I was hiring people. They just wanted to sort 68 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: of see me. And uh, in looking at that, I say, 69 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: people like seeing me, but they like seeing me with 70 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: the Housewives. They like me seeing me with a group 71 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: of peers similar age group, uh not even necessarily similar 72 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: to city. But they like the running commentary of me 73 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: around the Housewives. So when I joined The Housewives, I 74 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: don't really remember what year it was. It was a 75 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: long time ago. It was probably twelve to fifteen years ago. 76 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm terrible at dates. So when I first agreed to 77 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: do The Housewives, um, I was living in a tiny 78 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: apartment mostly furnished by Ikea, if not all furnished by Ikea. 79 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: I had eight thousand dollars to my name and my 80 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: bank account. I had maybe some credit card debt. I 81 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: think I learned years ago to consolidate all that, so 82 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: I didn't have any debt. I've never had debt. But 83 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: I would sell items that I had gotten in previous 84 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: lives as gifts to to work. I used to be 85 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: a natural food chef. I went to culinary school and 86 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,559 Speaker 1: I would cook for p helping meals delivered to their homes. 87 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: I worked for Dennis Leary in a trailer on the 88 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: set of Rescue me Um. I was hustling. I was 89 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: trying to just pay my rent. So I had a 90 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: boyfriend and we were at Polo in the Hampton's, not 91 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: the store, the sporting event, which is a thing that 92 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: is sort of like a social event and people go 93 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: there and want to schmooze, and I guess it's probably 94 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: a lot of younger people. And I was way younger then, 95 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: but I went to promote Bethany Bakes, my wheat egg 96 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: and dairy free cookie company. I was a natural food 97 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: chef and I remember that was the day of Super 98 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: Saturday and event that I uh. I think Kelly Ripper hosts, 99 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: and I didn't know her then, and it's like a 100 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: big sort of shopping event, and I think people pay 101 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: five dollars Donna Karen's event for I think it's it's 102 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: either it's breast cancer. I think it's breast cancer or 103 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: a varying cancer. But it's a female hosted event in 104 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: the Hampton's and I used to beg to go. I 105 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: used to beg to go, find a way to get invited, 106 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: and then you left and they had this massive gift 107 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: bag that was definitely worth more than the five people 108 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: were able to pay. And you went there and they 109 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: sold all these events, sold all these clothes at a discount. 110 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: And in the beginning, it used to be so amazing, 111 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: and you get these crazy deals. And I remember, I 112 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: still have a dressed in my closet that was BCBG 113 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: that was fifty dollars and it looks like a gown 114 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: and it looks like it was like a thousand dollars. 115 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: So that day I somehow managed to get myself in there. 116 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: I think my friend had a booth and I went 117 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: there to do the same thing, to give my business 118 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: card out. I am a natural food chef. I have 119 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: a Bethany bakes. I mean, I would try to get 120 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: celebrities to eat the cookies. I remember I used to 121 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: try to place that I cooked for Murshica Hargete a 122 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: couple of times on on the set of Law and Order, 123 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: and that I used to Nanny Harrison and Nikki and 124 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: I was trying to be something and I was trying 125 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: to be successful and I was older. Remember I was 126 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: in my mid to late thirties. This is when many 127 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: people that we know already are on the road. So 128 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: I remember that day. I drank champagne. It was during 129 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: the day, and then I had a terrible headache and 130 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: I didn't want to go to Polo that afternoon, and 131 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: my boyfriend at the time said, go, you'll give out 132 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: your cookies. I had my Bethany Bigs business cards and 133 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: he said we should, you should go, We'll go. So 134 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: we went together and I ran into Joe's arm, who 135 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: I had met. I met Jill because I was at 136 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: a movie premiere in the city and she came up 137 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: to me and said, you were on that show The Apprentice. 138 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: And you could tell Jill liked that. She liked the sizzle, 139 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: and she said, you were on that show The Apprentice. 140 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm doing a show. It's about moms getting their kids 141 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: into schools and it's called Manhattan Moms. And I was 142 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: barely listening to her, and I wanted to get a 143 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: show on the Food Network. It's all I wanted was 144 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: to get a show on the Food Network. And um, 145 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: she was nice and I cut to me at the 146 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: Hampton's that day, I was wearing my juicy short terry 147 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: cloth hooded, short sleeve, puffy sleeve romper to Polo and 148 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: I had my cookies and my cards. I remember Land 149 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: Bass was there. I remember he was wearing a great 150 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: scent and I asked him what it was and it 151 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: was Keel's usk. And I don't know how I knew him, 152 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: but he or maybe I didn't know him, he was 153 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: super nice to me. This is how I used to connect. 154 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: It used to just talk to people. Um, I years 155 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: ago used to go to sun Dance, the film festival, 156 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: because I went once with a friend, a boy, I 157 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: was a man I was dating, and finagle my way 158 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: into hosting Chef Dance, this event where each night a 159 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: different chef cooks for people. And I was the one 160 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: who used to call and book the chefs and take 161 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: pictures with the chefs. And you know, I hustled everything, 162 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: and I hustled everyone I knew, and I sent them 163 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: my cookies the minute after I met them. To this day, 164 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: when I connect with someone, I send them skinny girl 165 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: stuff afterwards, Like these things are just practices. So I 166 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: ran it to Lance Bass. I'm sure I took his 167 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: information if he would give it to me. I'm sure 168 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: I told him who I was. Uh, there was no 169 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: social media, then there were no podcast Then I didn't 170 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: have a publicist. Then I'm sure I tried to send 171 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: him cookies. Maybe I did, I don't remember, But I 172 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: don't know how I got into the VI I P 173 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: Tent And I think they probably gave out a gift bag. 174 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: And I remember like it was yesterday, Jill Zaren walking 175 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: up to me and going, hey, you skinny bitch, because 176 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: years before there had been a book called Skinny Bitch. 177 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: That was that That was the first person to use 178 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: the word skinny, but not in any product. She just 179 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: had a book and she never made it into a brand. Um, 180 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: that's a digression. Because all the skinny latte, skinny pizza, 181 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: skinny anything started with the skinny rol margharita, all the 182 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: low calorie cocktails, all those canned drinks, they all started 183 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: with the skinny roal margharita. So Jill Sara says, hey, 184 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: skinny bitch, what are you doing? Had you get into 185 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: the v I P Tent? Because she loves a gift bag. 186 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: She actually had a business for gift bag, so she 187 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: wanted to know how I got into the v I 188 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: P tet, How I got the bracelet. Except except for 189 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: being you know, wealthy and living on the Upper East Side, 190 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: she was a nobody. Also, we both she wouldn't be 191 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: able to get into a v I P tent any 192 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: more than I would, except that she was a hustler, 193 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: just like I am. You know, Jill will get herself 194 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: into any where she wants to get herself into. Um. 195 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: So she said, we're shooting the show Manhattan Moms. I 196 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: remember she had talked to about it about it, and 197 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: she said, um, they're looking for a fifth wife. What 198 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: I did not realize was that Bravo said there had 199 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: to be five women for Manhattan Moms. They had already 200 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: chosen four. I didn't know anything about this. They needed 201 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: the fifth wife, the fifth mom. No, it had to 202 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: be a wife and a mom mom. Really the production 203 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: company Ricochet at the time, which is now Shed. I 204 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: didn't care. They had the four, they had already started filming, 205 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: but they weren't going to do The show was the 206 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: first one because remember Orange County, Real Housewives of Orange 207 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: County was on, but this was not a real housewife's show. 208 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: This was just another show on that about women. So 209 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: Jill said to one of the producers, Gia, come out 210 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: to the Hampton's. I'll help you find another housewife. So 211 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: they were on the hunt. They went and I think 212 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: Bobby's Rolls Royce. They went to Polo. That's a place 213 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: to meet people. Everybody in the Hamptons is gonna be there. 214 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: So I don't know the vortex I'm walking into, but 215 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm there, and Jill says, like, what about the v 216 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: I p bags and also I'm here with one of 217 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: the producers. So I didn't really talk to Jill about it. 218 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: That was really the end of it. She made Bobby 219 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: not made, but she told Bobby to talk to me. 220 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: So Bobby spoke to myself and Jason, the guy I 221 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: was with, he thought it was really interesting for me. 222 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: It was somebody wanted to do something with me. I 223 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: was broke. I was trying to get somewhere and do something. 224 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: God knows what it was. And Bobby and the producer 225 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: were talking to me, and then really Jason, I walked away. 226 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,599 Speaker 1: I wasn't taking it seriously. I wanted to be on 227 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: the Food Network. I didn't want to be on another 228 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: reality show. I had been on the Apprentice. It wasn't 229 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: a big success, the one with Martha Stewart. And I 230 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: didn't want to do this, not because I'm better than 231 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: because you can't be on two reality shows in a row. 232 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: At that time. That's where we're talking about the dark ages. 233 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: No one would an actor would never be on a 234 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: reality show, and you would not be on two in 235 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: a row. But Bobby kept talking to Jason, and then 236 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: Bobby walked away, and then Jason was talking to Kira, 237 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: the producer, and he said he worked at a private 238 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: equity fund or a hedge fund, and you know, talked 239 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: about me, etcetera. And it was called Manhattan Mom's about 240 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: moms getting their kids into school, and I was thinking, 241 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: what the hell do they want me for? I don't 242 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: even we're not even married or engaged, and we're not. 243 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sure, we're gonna make it. Then we got 244 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: home and the woman Kiro was calling me. Jason did 245 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: not the guy I was with, did not want to 246 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: do this. He didn't want to be on television. He 247 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: was just sort of selling me. He didn't even know 248 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: what he was selling. It just seemed like a good opportunity. 249 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: So she kept calling me and wanted to put me 250 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: on tape, and I promised you and I would tell you. 251 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: I wanted the Apprentice more than I ever wanted anything 252 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: in my life. I didn't really want to do this. 253 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: I didn't really understand it at all. It was I 254 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: didn't I wanted me on the Food Network. I was 255 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: already having conversations and going to meetings I wanted to 256 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: do like Survivor meets a cooking show. I just wanted 257 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: to be cooking. That's all I wanted to do. So 258 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: hence the natural food cookies. Hence I was a natural 259 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: food chef long before it was cool, years ago. This 260 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: isn't like right after nine eleven. I was making wheat 261 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: egg and dairy free. Uh you know, gluten free Celia 262 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: cook it. Think about that, Think about like that. Now 263 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: that's so current. So the woman asks me, she can 264 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: come just get me on tape. It's not binding. She 265 00:12:58,480 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: just wants to get me on tape. She comes to 266 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: a crappy kitchen. I'm making cookies. She's following my life 267 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: just for like a half a day. I don't understand 268 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: the process, So I'm not even sure what this all means. 269 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: Like these shows didn't exist, so as she wants me 270 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: to do it. I said, my guy won't do it. 271 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: He doesn't want to do it. I don't know if 272 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: I want to do it, I say no, I turn 273 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: it down. I take a month. I think about it, 274 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: and I remember thinking about Rocco di Spirito show the 275 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: restaurant long before it's time, thinking about the Gastone Girls, 276 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: long before it's time, because all these shows would have 277 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: done well now, um, And I thought, God, I don't 278 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: know if I want to be a train wreck and 279 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: it to be a disaster and fail. But then I thought, 280 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: it's not that easy to get on television, and if 281 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: it does well, everybody it'll be a success. And if 282 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't do well, no one's even going to know 283 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: about it. So everybody that I know tells me not 284 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: to do it. All my agents at William Morrison, which 285 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: was not endeavor yet, I don't think, help me not 286 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: to do it. Everyone tells me not to do it. Um, 287 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: I say to myself, I have nothing going on. I 288 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: called back a month later. They've already been filming. I 289 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: called the woman Kira, and she's like, let's go. That's 290 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: when I went over to Jill Zarn's house. I believe. 291 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. It wasn't Jill Zaren's house, one of 292 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: their friends houses, maybe ramone, their friend, Missy Lubliner to 293 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: watch that tennis match. And for anybody who used to watch, 294 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: it was me watching his tennis match and these crazy 295 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: people and just my reactions. And I certainly think didn't 296 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: think I did anything. It wasn't like I did anything. 297 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: I just sort of watched some people and reacted. I 298 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: wasn't say anything. I didn't really do much. And I 299 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: went to another I went to Jill's house, I think, 300 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: and lo and behold. They wanted me, but for this 301 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: thing that I didn't even understand. I hadn't even met 302 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: everybody really understand. There was no social media. My contract 303 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: said seven thousand, two fifty dollars. We started filming without 304 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: my contract being signed. For a while, I didn't even 305 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: know if I was definitely doing this. I was sort 306 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: of playing around filming, almost like the way a friend does. 307 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: I guess now, and I went with my agent, Evo 308 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: Fisher William Morris into Bravo to pitch them one of 309 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: these food shows. And the woman said to us, I 310 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: forgot her name. I know her well. The woman that 311 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: we pitched, said excuse me, aren't you shooting a show 312 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: right now for us? And I said, well yeah, but 313 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: we haven't done the contract. That was like that set 314 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: a precedent. They never after that let people start filming 315 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: without a contract because they were reliant upon me. I 316 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: had already started filming the show, but I hadn't had 317 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: a contract it. And they were like this, this girl 318 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: is pitching us another show and we're we want her 319 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: on that show. And I didn't realize like that they 320 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: thought I was valuable, that I was that fifth wife, 321 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: that I was that question mark character they have been 322 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: looking for. They've been looking for a fifth mom wife 323 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: that was rich, that was on the Upper east Side. 324 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: Not until they met me did they realize, oh, we 325 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: want this, we want someone different. And they called it, 326 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, the question mark character. What is going to 327 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: happen with her? Someone to root for. She's not rich 328 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: like these other women, She's not buying diamonds and getting facials. 329 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: This other person that's different living in this you know, 330 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to say shitty apartment, but you know, 331 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: not luxury apartment and with Ikea. So also keeping mind, 332 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: we didn't know what this was. This was Manhattan Moms. 333 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: We're filming a show called Manhattan Moms. I'm doing interviews 334 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: and no makeup. I don't know how to do my 335 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: own makeup. The way that I used to get my 336 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: makeup done then was I would go to the Bloomingdale's 337 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: counter and sit down and buy the obligatory lip class 338 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: with my dog Cookie in my lap. So the girl 339 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: Veronica at the Trish Macavoy counter would do it. I'd 340 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: be like, how many do elie to give you the 341 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: money and tip you the twenty or I'll buy the 342 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: lip classes? What do I have to do? That's what 343 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: my idea of getting my makeup done was. Um the 344 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: idea of paying hundreds of dollars in your home and 345 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: not getting any makeup for it, like it was crazy. 346 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: That was preposterous. That was like a waste of money. 347 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: It's crazy. How I live my life now, I think 348 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: this is normal. But you would spend a couple hundred 349 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: dollars witch makeup done. So I would sit in my 350 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: cable knit, pre owned Ralph Lauren turquoise sweater and do 351 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: the interviews. I didn't know what I was on. We 352 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: didn't know what we were on. I remember telling this 353 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: PubL us is Clare Mercury. This is going to be 354 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: there was a word I said. I said, this is 355 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: going to be like groundbreaking or a phenomenon or something, 356 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: and she was like, it's not a phenomenon like I 357 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, Ramona thought it was going to get a 358 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: million view. She thought it was a phenomenon. We did 359 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: not know we were in the second installment of Real 360 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: Housewives of Orange County. We were on a show called 361 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: Manhattan Moms. Not until we shot some press and we 362 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: saw it at the top. We didn't want to be 363 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: associated with that first Real Housewives show. That wasn't like. 364 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: That wasn't what the girls wanted. The girls wanted it 365 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: to seem socialite in New York City, and that show 366 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: didn't seem that way. There was no press on that show. Really, 367 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: there wasn't really pressed. Then. Things like this didn't get pressed. 368 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't like that. Jessica Simpson had gotten pressed for 369 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: you know, Chicken of the Sea and saying what I 370 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: forgot the tune that she thought it was chicken in 371 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: it can I don't remember what it was, some some something, 372 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: but like we didn't know anything about anything. So I'm 373 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: now shooting the show Bravos freaking out that I didn't 374 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: sign my contract. I'm not aware that they think I'm 375 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: great and want me to do this, and the game 376 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: starts moving, but we don't know what we're doing. We've 377 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: never seen this before. I don't know what it means 378 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: when I'm sitting down having a conversation and they want 379 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: me to talk to the guy I'm dating about if 380 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: he wants to move in together. I don't know that 381 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: that like they have a whiteboard somewhere where they know 382 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: that they have to get that storyline. I just am 383 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: a person. I go went on and we Jason and 384 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 1: I decided that that was a different Jason. This was 385 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: Jason's season one. That I was going to be a 386 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: natural food Jef, and the only thing that I was 387 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: going to do was cook on television and show that 388 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: I was a natural food Jeff. That's all that I 389 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: was going to do. Well. I quickly started to realize 390 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: as we started that that wasn't going to be all 391 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: that interesting, and that like this, whatever this audience was 392 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: that I wanted to attract, that I had to give 393 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: them all of me, that I couldn't be like the 394 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: scam that only showed part of me. I had to 395 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: show who I was. So here I am saying, do 396 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: you want to move in together? And because he didn't 397 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: want to be on camera and this was the most 398 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: crazy concept of his life, and he was afraid he 399 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: was gonna get fired. And you know, it was unheard 400 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: of that a husband would be on these shows like 401 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: and risk whatever they were doing. And so he said, 402 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: let's talk about it later. We'll talk about it later. 403 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, but you don't want to talk 404 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: about it now. I'm sweating because I know there's a 405 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: camera there and that's not how he really feels. He 406 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: wants to live together, but there's cameras on his face, 407 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: and he's like, we'll talk about it later. But I'm 408 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: aware that the audience is going to think I'm some loser, 409 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: that this guy wants to beg this guy to live 410 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: with me and we'll talk about it later. And I 411 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, but I went for it with all of it, 412 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: meaning like I just was giving it all. I said 413 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: to my friend. I remember saying, I'm doing this, let's 414 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: go all the way. We had a breakup. I went 415 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: down to Florida. My friend told me I was thirty 416 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: seven and my eggs were rotting, and I was a 417 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: natural food chef, thinking Jesus, I don't want rotten eggs. 418 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: And this was all on television and I didn't know 419 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: what we were even doing. So when it aired, New 420 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: York Magazine wrote an article about us being socialites, and 421 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, I'm not a socialite, and either any 422 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 1: of these clowns I'm surrounded, we're not socialites. This is like, 423 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: I know enough. I've read a magazine, I've I've looked 424 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: at the cover of w magazine or heard about all 425 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: these other people. I can't stand socialites, Okay, like I 426 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: never could. Literally to want to be known for putting 427 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 1: your name on a ten percent off invitation at some 428 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: clothing store, pretending that's doing charity, to want to wear 429 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: a different ball down every night, to put your name 430 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: on these invitations that there's the top committee, the subcommittee, 431 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: the chair committee, the table committee, to buy a whole table, 432 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: buy a portion of a table by a chair, I mean, 433 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: and then have his rubber chicken dinner and pay some 434 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: celebrity and all this bullshit, and then be famous for 435 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: that and be like just known for what you wear 436 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: every day. I didn't understand it. It It could not have 437 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: been further for my life. Like my I kea apartment 438 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: didn't really have much bandwidth for socialites. It's so stupid. 439 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: I just still think it's so stupid. So I would 440 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: rather be the clowns that we were than be the 441 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: socialites we were being portrayed as. But for the rest 442 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: of the country they thought we were socialites. What the 443 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: hell do they know? And maybe we all were more 444 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: socialites than the losers who just want their their rich 445 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: airs and their names. You know, they happen to be 446 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: rich heirs and they're known for the temper cent off 447 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: events in Southampton. What this means people is that they 448 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: people say like, oh, you know, come for charity and 449 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: ten percent of the proceeds will go to charity. Sit 450 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: home on your ass eating pop tarts, write a check 451 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: and keep it moving, or go straight to the place 452 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: and give them the money. But this, I hate this ship. 453 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: This is like Main and Maine of what I hate. 454 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: It would be all those little pictures and all those 455 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: glossy magazines where you just wanted to see your name 456 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: and don't get it twisted. Years ago, I want I 457 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to be a socialite, but I wanted to 458 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: be someone. I wanted my name and my picture in 459 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: Hampton's magazine because it meant I was somebody. But that's 460 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: what these people do for a living. Just their whole 461 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: life is being in those little squares with their names 462 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: underneath at different events, showing that there's somebody for a 463 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: bunch of losers. So New York magazine is saying we're socialites, 464 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, that's gonna piste off 465 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: the real socialites, which it did because some of them 466 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: who happened to be legitimate, meaning their families are very 467 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: successful and they um have careers in jobs, and whether 468 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: they like it or not, they are the real social life. 469 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: They were going crazy. They're watching this and like, oh, 470 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: they can't believe that that's what's being portrayed as New York. 471 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: So this was polarizing. Which is my middle name, So 472 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: that was okay. But I'm reading this article. Make wait, 473 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 1: this is real. New York magazine is writing about it. 474 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: Once we saw the press the first time we took 475 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: the picture and saw the name Real Housewives. Like I said, 476 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: we were annoyed. We we didn't want to be a 477 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: second of something. We didn't think that was a good idea. 478 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: And I'm a marketer and I didn't think it was 479 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: a good idea. I didn't understand what they understood. And 480 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: they were trying to build a franchise, so there was 481 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: no leaking to the press. We didn't know what the 482 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: press was. We we like, we're just starting to meet. 483 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: We'd get invited to Okay magazine parties and you know, 484 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: people would send us some stuff like very little. You know, 485 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: we didn't weren't even really famous yet. You'd go into 486 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: the restaurant like if someone gonna recognize me? Is someone 487 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: gonna recognize me? I mean, it was all like just 488 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: starting UM and it was very New York Bay some 489 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: very like New York publicist based UM. But it was 490 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: so refreshing and interesting. It was so real. I was 491 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: coming from The Apprentice, where you never knew there was 492 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: a camera near you. You never talked to the crew, 493 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 1: you didn't talk to production, you didn't talk you know, 494 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: to ever your own producer. It wasn't like that you 495 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: were they were just flies on the wall capturing everything. 496 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: So I remember in the beginning shooting a scene and 497 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: Nello and getting annoyed at the other castmates thinking I 498 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: was some authority because I had been on reality television 499 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: saying no, just like because I wanted people just to 500 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: be real, just to talk, don't talk to the producers. 501 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: That just seemed preposterous to me, right And also the 502 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: reason that Brobo didn't want me on. Andy Cohen didn't 503 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: want me on was because I was already on a 504 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: reality show, so I had some slight and basically no awareness, 505 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: like I was nobody. But to him that was you 506 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: had a pre existing profile, meaning they wanted it to 507 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: be real. They wanted to be real people in New 508 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: York that are not famous, that didn't have a pre 509 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: existing profile. They would never have wanted all the Beverly 510 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: Hills actresses. That's why Lisa were didn't get on for years. 511 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: And he used to say to me no, and he didn't. 512 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: He wasn't interested in her. And I used to say 513 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: she'd be great. They didn't. They didn't want um. But 514 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: I know Kyle was originally an actress, but she hadn't 515 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 1: acted in a long time, and they originally wanted her 516 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: and the sisters, but that changed after a couple of 517 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: My show then then Atlanta. It increasingly became about a 518 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: pre existing profile because again there was no social media. 519 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: So now restaurants higre waitresses and bartenders based on Instagram followers. 520 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: So of course to hire an actress that hasn't built 521 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: in social media following is going to help the show. 522 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: But when I was on, it was so authentic and 523 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: that we were just all people like talking and judging 524 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: and the biggest thing that what ever happened, was that 525 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: Kelly Bensimon would say I'm up here, you're down here. Now, 526 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: that would never be the biggest thing that would happen. Now, 527 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: that was a major thing. Then that was like top, 528 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: That was the top of the heap, like one of 529 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: Andy's most iconic, most favorite chilling scenes because of how 530 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, less was more was the intensity and the 531 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: audacity to say something like that. Now people are throwing 532 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: artificial legs, ripping weaves, and you know, probably driving their 533 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: car into your window. For ratings, it just was not 534 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: the same story. So it had an authenticity and a freshness. 535 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: And to be perfectly honest, the arguments with Jill and 536 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: Ramona and with Jill and Simon all that it was 537 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: train wreckish and it was a disaster, but it was authentic. 538 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: There was something authentic about it. Even though I didn't 539 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: like what the show became and I watched it happened 540 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: after the first couple of seasons, I enjoyed being part 541 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: of it because it was so much satire. And at 542 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: that point, I didn't know the show that I was in. 543 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: I was just being me with a camera on me 544 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: because there was no comp oh C. It was not 545 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: a comp And I didn't even want no o C 546 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: because I didn't know I was shooting a season of 547 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: the next iteration of O C. I thought I was 548 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: shooting some some show and I don't watch TV, so 549 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: it was so fresh. And Andy will definitely reinforce this concept. 550 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: And he used to say that I was the Greek chorus. 551 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: I was the narrator of the show. I was the 552 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: one telling the people in the audience what the Hamptons 553 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: is like, you know what I mean. I was sitting 554 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: in that chair in my no makeup, cablenet pre owned 555 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: sweater saying what the Hamptons was. I'm like, it's where 556 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: everybody packs like they're leaving to Anta Arcticle for six months, 557 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: and what packs every piece of ship that they have 558 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: in their car goes to see all the same people 559 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: they see in New York City, arrives to the Hampton's 560 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: and does the same exact thing if I can do 561 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: in New York City, but by the beach, like just 562 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: narrating it. Okay, so the show is I guess the 563 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: success and I remember Jill's Aaron and not knowing what 564 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: to do about the money I had agreed to seven thousand, 565 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: two fifty dollars for the whole season. Ramona once corrected 566 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: me and said that that was for twelve episodes. If 567 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: we did more episodes, it was more, but it was pennies. 568 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: But I said, except you can't take any of my business. Ever. 569 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: Don't know why I was so smart to say that. 570 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: Don't know why I crossed that out. I do know 571 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: anything about contracts. Adjusted that which is the preamble to 572 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: what ended up happening with the Skinny Girl Margarita and 573 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: it being infuriating to the network and created what is 574 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: now called the Bethany clause, where anybody on television working 575 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: in that capacity has to give a percentage to the network. 576 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: The talent will all say that they don't pay that 577 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: it's not true. They all do. Bravo was confirmed it 578 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: he's confirmed it. Every agent knows it's the Bethany clause. 579 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: It just is what it is. Okay, so we're on 580 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: this show. We don't know what we're on. We don't 581 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: know what's happening. It had an authenticity to it. Starts 582 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: to calm season two and three. People are getting a 583 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: little bit hip to the jib. There's a little bit 584 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: of connection to the media. We sort of know, you know, 585 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: the press. People understand that they can call Page six. 586 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: People understand that you can so of leak something and 587 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: wrap somebody else out. And that's when it sort of started. 588 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: It was the biggest deal in the world to everybody 589 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: that Alex McCord had nude pictures somewhere. That would literally 590 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: be like someone having spinach in their teeth. Now, um, 591 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: it was you know, Alex and Simon were totally unique, 592 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: and that they were from Brooklyn and that was like 593 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: a foreign country to all of us. Um. Second, and 594 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: then it's second it started. What starts to happen is 595 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: if one person gets something, um other people. Let's say 596 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: one person gets sent something for free the other women, 597 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: then you know, call that company directly and say, I 598 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: know you sent that person something. Can you send me something. 599 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: One person gets something on TV I got. I got 600 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: to co host the Today's Show, and I got there 601 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: and they said, your castmates called up here saying, why 602 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: not me, We're much better than her. Like the competition started, 603 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: you really have to keep your cards close to the 604 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: vest because now you know that the other women are 605 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: starting to get jealous of things that you're getting and 606 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,719 Speaker 1: not getting. And now it starts to get ugly. Now 607 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: it's not fresh. Now it's not what it was. I 608 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: was the first housewife on Twitter because one of my 609 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: assistants told me that I should be on Twitter. That 610 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: was the first thing. But still it wasn't used for 611 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: what it's used for today. It wasn't like a way 612 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: to just trash each other. That came way later. Like 613 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: we were pioneers in the beginning of this genre of 614 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: what was going on, and it was fresh and unique. 615 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: After a couple of seasons, three seasons, it got a 616 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: little toxic. It got where you're bringing things into the 617 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: show intentionally to gotcha, to catch someone. Keep in mind, 618 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: also this is pre watch What Happens Live. Watch What 619 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: Happens Live is a place where the intention of the 620 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: show is to gotcha and to bring housewives on and 621 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: to ask polls of the audience about who's a piece 622 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: of ship and who's not. The questions can be did 623 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: you believe that you know Teresa Giadic really had a 624 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: snake skin top before you know Dina Manzo? Or did 625 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: you not? Like? That? Question? Really means whose side are 626 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: you on? You know, someone's always winning, someone's always losing. 627 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: So as this thing went on after a couple of seasons, 628 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: you start to realize, Oh, this is Hunger Games, this 629 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: is Game of Thrones. I'm supposed to rat anybody else 630 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: out about anything I know about them, and they're doing 631 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: the same thing at all times. So there's always somebody 632 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: winning and always somebody losing. That's when it starts to 633 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: be Wow, do I want to be a part of this? 634 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: You know I'm not better than this, but this is 635 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: going to be a totally different kind of ride, you know. 636 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: Season two, Season three, Jill's Aaron wisely said to me, 637 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: what do I do? How do I have a product? 638 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: How do you know what you want to do? How 639 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: do I market something? And I'm like, it has to 640 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: be authentic to you. Make it be something to do 641 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: with your fabrics or your pillows. But I was the 642 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: first person overall. I think Jonathan Anton on a show 643 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: called Blowout might have had products. I don't know. If 644 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: I don't think Rachel Zoe had a book back then, 645 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: she might have had one book. I was the first 646 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: person on reality television to monetize it in that way, 647 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: the first person to showcase that, including the Kardashians, to 648 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: showcase that medium as a commercial, because I started that 649 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,959 Speaker 1: whole thing, like really on that level after my Skinny 650 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: Girl deal. Kim Kardashian did a Madory deal when when 651 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: um she turned down my Skinny Girl partner, uh for 652 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: fifty dollars to do a Coco local rum years prior 653 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: to Midori because she didn't drink. Everybody got hip hip 654 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: to it when I did it, but after I did it, 655 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: so I was using this as a platform. I was 656 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: the first one, that is a fact. But Joe's Arram 657 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: is smart enough to ask me how to do it. 658 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: The other girls started watching and wanting to do it also, 659 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: which is also very smart. You know, I paved that way, 660 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: and most people you know that have been around that 661 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: long know that Bravo knows that. But you know, Jill 662 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: said to me I'll do whatever you do. I'll trust 663 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: you to negotiate for me. And we went from the 664 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: first season to a lot more money, like literally a 665 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: lot more money, to the second season, same thing, to 666 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: the third season, like I got us a lot more 667 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: money than anybody else on our show. You know. Then 668 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: we all were feeling few sing it when Jersey was 669 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: coming in, Atlanta was coming and I remember Jill thinking 670 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: that wasn't you know, we were socialites from New York 671 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: and they might wouldn't represent what the Housewives really is about. 672 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,479 Speaker 1: That Atlanta wouldn't, that Jersey wouldn't because it's Jersey, and 673 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, there was There's always been a lot of 674 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: talk of things like that, right, So I decided to 675 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: leave after the third season when it got what I 676 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: felt to be ugly, when it got to be gotcha what? 677 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: And this is still before I believe I'm positive, fairly positive, 678 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: before I watch it happens live. So when I left, 679 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: I really left. I did not want to go back. 680 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: You can't forget where you came from. So I'm definitely 681 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: going to talk about it. That's uh, just a tip 682 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: of the iceberg of what I have to say about 683 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: this topic. So more the next time for sure.