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Speaker 1: Lute force. If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Software Radio Special Operations, Military Nails on

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Speaker 1: straight Talk with the guys in the community.

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Speaker 2: Hi, welcome to another episode of Software Radio. I am

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Speaker 2: your host, Rad and I have a very special guest today,

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Speaker 2: Ben Williams, former Navy officer in the Surfaced Warfare Department

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Speaker 2: of the Navy. We'll talk about that and today he's

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Speaker 2: also the chief operating officer for Excellent Technology, which really

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Speaker 2: dabbles probably with autonomous drones and AI, and that's a

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Speaker 2: very hot topic. Right now. We're gonna crack this cane

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Speaker 2: for the next hour. You're gonna hear us talk about

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Speaker 2: everything from you know, what took him into the Navy

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Speaker 2: to why autonomous AI today. So welcome to the show, Ben.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wonderful to have you. And so surface warfare, can

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Speaker 2: you tell me and my listener what exactly that is,

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Speaker 2: because I know boats right on the surface.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So the way to think about it within

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Speaker 4: the Navy, you generally have the folks that drive the

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Speaker 3: You have the folks that ride on the boats, which

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Speaker 3: is you know, Marine Corps. We're the taxi drivers, and

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Speaker 3: then you have the aviators who fly.

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Speaker 4: Helicopters and jets and all that sort of thing. So

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Speaker 4: the surface warfare officers generally are the ones who are

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Speaker 4: running the divisions on board the ship, and each of

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Speaker 4: you know, you stand watch stations for driving or fighting

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Speaker 4: the ship, running engineering departments.

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Speaker 3: That's sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: And then over time that unrestricted line leads towards command

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Speaker 2: So if I broke this down like Star Trek, and

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Speaker 2: we got Kirk on the bridge, and Kirk's got to

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Speaker 2: Leonard Nimoy, you know, Spock in charge, and the spot's

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Speaker 2: got to go with him though, right, So all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden you got the guy on the con he's

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Speaker 2: like an ensign. He's like, now in charge. Have you

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Speaker 2: been the guy in charge of the ship.

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Speaker 3: In a sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So the watch station that is in charge of

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Speaker 4: driving the ship at any one time is called the.

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Speaker 3: Officer of the deck.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the person sort of runs the bridge and is

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Speaker 4: charged with navigation and positioning to fight, et cetera. So yep,

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Speaker 4: that's one of the one of the watch stations you

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Speaker 2: How awesome is that? That's really cool? Yeah, that is intense.

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Speaker 2: Now does surface warfare? Just me being me, I think

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Speaker 2: of like the thing called the Sea Whiz, and I'm

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Speaker 2: only thinking that's probably like on a lot of ships,

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Speaker 2: right because it's anti Are you in charge of the

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Speaker 2: sea Wizz is like a gun, a gatling gun of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's some absurd like two thousand rounds a second,

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Speaker 2: A lot, it's a lot of Yeah, it's all directed

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Speaker 2: someone who knows who runs the Sea Whiz correct us

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty wild to see those things go because

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Speaker 4: it's their rapid articulations, so it like tracks incoming missiles

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Speaker 3: It's like the last one, so last five hundred yards

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Speaker 2: That is crazy. It's an intense device on top of

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Speaker 2: the ship. Now what kind of ships did you maneuver on?

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Speaker 4: So I was primarily my first tour was on board

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Speaker 4: ran some small boat teams as part of a VBSS

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Speaker 2: So VBSS means vehicle board search and seizure, right, so

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Speaker 2: Or yet know, but bed really, I mean like you're

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Speaker 2: and you do look the part of a potential seal. Okay,

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Speaker 2: You probably Yeah, do you guys climb the ladders if

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Speaker 4: it's pretty and sometimes you're in like pretty heavy sea

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, so like anybody will fall off between

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, because in those scenarios, both all the ships

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, And I bet a drone could do a

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Speaker 2: without having to deal with seas, right. Nice, But you

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Speaker 2: do have to have that human element in there, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, especially in those cases like this was one

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, it's like you know, water polief almost.

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Speaker 2: I heard the Grom just like to play the piano.

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Speaker 2: You know you want to and they come back and

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Speaker 2: all the navy broad Did you get any Navy tattoos?

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Speaker 4: M So, I think a big piece of it for

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Speaker 2: spin around the area of operation. Right, that's kind of

438
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: the thought process in my head from what you just explained.

439
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's definitely a use case.

440
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Speaker 2: Right.

441
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Speaker 4: There's a lot of fascinating things that you know, and

442
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 4: probably the coolest part about this tech is we aren't

443
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 4: going to think of all the best use cases once

444
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 4: we build it and we take it out to market

445
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 4: and we we put it in front of the operators

446
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 4: or the miners or whoever.

447
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 3: You know, they'll be like, hey, that's pretty cool.

448
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 4: You know what else we could do, and then immediately

449
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 4: go off on something we've never thought of because you know,

450
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 4: we're not the R.

451
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Speaker 2: Two D two bro. It's like you could have your

452
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 2: own R two if you had a little risk communicator.

453
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 3: That he just tracked to.

454
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 2: It's like flying around your shoulder. You're like, R two,

455
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: what's it looks like? The ski resort today? Up? He

456
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 2: goes down back and tubs you got your uh also

457
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 2: to jokingly segue into that, right, is it is? Am

458
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 2: I thinking? Can you make something that would follow like

459
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 2: a snowboarder as they wrote, so they didn't have to

460
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: hold like a go pro or like there any of

461
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: their helmet cams. You could have this thing kind of

462
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Speaker 2: filming like a film crew like we're used to seeing

463
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Speaker 2: on a movie. Is that something you guys are dabbling?

464
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 2: Can you make me something?

465
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Speaker 3: So?

466
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 4: I mean that is actually a commercial of available product,

467
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 4: and the idea makes a sports drone that follows you.

468
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 4: I don't know how it would do on a on

469
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Speaker 4: a ski slope, but you know I've seen people use

470
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 4: it for mountain biking.

471
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: Sure, that's the same speeds. Sure, sure, just lots of

472
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: turns and you know, like nicely if you're gonna bomb

473
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 2: it doing sixty, I don't know, keep up yeah, just nice. Yeah.

474
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Speaker 4: So you know, but that is that is like part

475
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 4: of the broader autonomous drone industry, Like that is an

476
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 4: absolute use case that is uh utilized. Yeah, so I

477
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 4: check it out. Scotty has got some pretty.

478
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 2: Good I will, I will check that out. And uh,

479
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,479
Speaker 2: I was just hoping that maybe you guys can put

480
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: a little something smaller out there, maybe a little like

481
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: like the wasp that just sits on my shoulder flies away,

482
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 2: you know, it's.

483
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 3: Like here, Yeah, maybe some day it's gotta.

484
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: Something sensitive that no one wants to smack though, like

485
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: a butterfly. Everyone wants to hit the wasp, you know,

486
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: like geez that we're diving into the game call of

487
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: Duty because they use a wasp in that. That's probably

488
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 2: where we get my thoughts from. Bro there, you got

489
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Speaker 2: to fly into a conference room to check the mission out,

490
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 2: and you're a wasp and so it's relaying everything back

491
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,959
Speaker 2: to the player and you're the wasp fly. You fly

492
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 2: around the people and they're swat not yeah. Perfect, Oh, yeah,

493
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 2: I'm sure. My listener is that's black ops to the

494
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: Atlas Corporation scene. Now, what do you see, you know,

495
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: the military picking up from you on this. You know

496
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: they want some robots.

497
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I mean we've we've got some really interesting

498
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 4: projects going now that focus a lot around like combat

499
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 4: engineers and how they need to do rapid scans of

500
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Speaker 4: areas to build bases or fortifications, or like figure out

501
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 4: if particular road or bridge is safe.

502
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Speaker 3: For convoy or transit or whatever.

503
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 4: So a lot of use cases there where it's really

504
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 4: important to get fast, accurate data of an environment. Yes,

505
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 4: there's also the idea of, like if you are trying

506
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Speaker 4: to avoid putting people through a choke point where which

507
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 4: is convoys often right, there are some of the most

508
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Speaker 4: most of the casualties we had in Afghanistan, for instance,

509
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Speaker 4: I think actually came from convoys.

510
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 3: And so if you can then avoid having.

511
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Speaker 4: A pre planned choke point and instead have a whole

512
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Speaker 4: bunch of autonomous ground vehicles that are just sort of

513
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 4: wandering through the fields or the forest or whatever, that's

514
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 4: not predictable, that's harder to tackle. It's not manned in

515
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 4: the first place, so you're keeping your your soldiers and

516
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 4: sailors and airmen off of the off of that front

517
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 4: line and trying to supply autonomously. You know, that becomes

518
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 4: a huge benefit, and it makes logistics more viable and

519
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,239
Speaker 4: less dangerous and you know all the things that are

520
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 4: really important for an operating force.

521
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's true life is precious, right, and throwing

522
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: people into harm's way, like World War One has kind

523
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: of changed, right, we don't have to really be so

524
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: trench to trench, bayonet to bayonet today. It's way more strategic.

525
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: And I honestly I hate to hear about clashes, you know,

526
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: with other countries and ourselves, But if it's going to

527
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: be you know, fighter jets crashing into a drone and

528
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Speaker 2: trying to knock it into the Black Sea, then I'm

529
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: happy it's a drone, okay. So and if they want

530
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: to try to recover the drone, that's not They're trying

531
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: to recover the pilot and the drone, right, because so

532
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: there are there are these safety factors to it. And

533
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: with more and more of this technology coming out for

534
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: the mining industry, right, that's a really big deal because

535
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: where do we get like all of our stuff from

536
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: the earth. Everything you look at that is from the Earth.

537
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's it's like it's interesting because it's not

538
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 4: that sexy an industry, but it is so fundamental to

539
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 4: the entire supply chain, right, So it's not like we're

540
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 4: going to stop mining. We may as well do it

541
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: better and safer and try and you know, improve.

542
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 2: It and be productive and efficient and you know, just

543
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: get to the point if we need OR, and we

544
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: need OR, then you know, if we can send in

545
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: robotics and artificial intelligence to go in and do a

546
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: lot of that, and maybe there's like three guys working

547
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: with it versus thirty guys working with it, you know,

548
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: and perhaps the robots have like safety devices on them

549
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: as well that like anybody in the ground can get

550
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: to them, and there's like a first aid kit built

551
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: on them, and like an avalanche bag that blows up

552
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: in case it's you know, it needs to make an

553
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: air pocket, you know, things like that. I can see.

554
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: That's that's that kind of humanitarian. Maybe it's got some

555
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: cheese at crackers.

556
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: There, you go, that's important.

557
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 2: I just say, you know, a little convenience. You know,

558
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: if it's a robot, it's it's got to hault something

559
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: for me. That's right, Come on, R two, make me

560
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 2: an ice cream. You're a machine.

561
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 4: I'll put those in our next pact of Oreos and.

562
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: Making a yeah we will. We won't say that brand,

563
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: but yeah, making us a nice little shake or something. Now,

564
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: now that's very humanitarian. Now, what what do you see

565
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 2: is launching? You guys have any projects that the civilian

566
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: world can know about. Is there something out there that

567
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: we can look up and say, oh wow, this is

568
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,239
Speaker 2: who I just listened to on the podcast and this

569
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: is his product. Yeah.

570
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 4: So we are in the process of releasing our next

571
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 4: generation drone.

572
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 3: System, which is the the.

573
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 4: X and Arrow, and we're partnering with a company called

574
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 4: Easy Aerial, which is an American drone manufacturer, and this

575
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 4: is going to be one of our first Blue certified

576
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 4: drone systems, which is a classification that the government uses

577
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 4: to say yes, we've you know, evaluated the cybersecurity risks

578
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 4: and supply chain stuff and it's where we're willing to

579
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 4: buy it, yes, right, right. So it's pretty exciting that

580
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 4: we're able to put this out in market and got

581
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 4: a lot of interest from both government and commercial for

582
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 4: the system.

583
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: So it's pretty exciting.

584
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: I'd imagine if they're in that industry, they need something

585
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: like this. This is the place to look it up.

586
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: You've got some sub credentials and pedigree to go along

587
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: with it, which is why I kind of said, what

588
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: was your degree? You know, you're you're going after the

589
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: engineering aspect and the military has led you to have

590
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: a path of just a whole different bunch of ladders

591
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: you have to climb to learn how to say yes, sir.

592
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: My dad taught me this. He's like, no matter what, Aaron,

593
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: you either have to salute the rank or you have

594
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,479
Speaker 2: to salute the man. Either way, you got a salute. Okay.

595
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: So he's got a small that pill, Okay, So no

596
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: matter what, just salute it. You got to respect that.

597
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: So so let the right you bring that to your team.

598
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure you guys aren't out there just

599
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: looking for veterans to hire and things along those lines.

600
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: But if someone was listening and they're like, hey, I

601
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: also have a degree in I can't stop sleeping at night,

602
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 2: and I write pads of paper and formulas. Can they

603
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: reach out to you and submit a resume? Yeah?

604
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we do. We hire pretty regularly out of the

605
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 4: out of the veteran community. One of the first things

606
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 4: I started doing in the tech world was coaching and

607
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 4: mentoring folks that were transitioning out of the military, because

608
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 4: you know, it didn't it wasn't super easy for me,

609
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 4: It wasn't wasn't terrible, but I learned a lot about

610
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 4: how to transition well over that first year, and so

611
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 4: trying to help other folks figure out how to how

612
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: to learn the new acronyms or forget the whole acronyms,

613
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 4: and you know, take the take the basics of what

614
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 4: you were doing and translate it, because you know, I'm

615
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 4: sure a lot of the folks you talk to probably

616
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 4: resonate with the idea that you know, especially let's say

617
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 4: you're like a like a rifleman in the Marine Corps

618
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 4: or the army or something like. What you do in

619
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 4: the Army and Marine Corps is not just carry and

620
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: shoot a rifle. There's a lot of other stuff that

621
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 4: goes into it. You do maintenance, you.

622
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Do lead, yeah, all sorts of stuff. Yeah, right, right, right.

623
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Speaker 4: When you were thinking about a civilian job, it's important

624
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 4: not to just to get quickly beyond the fact that

625
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: they might go well I don't you know, we're an

626
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 4: accounting company. Why do I need someone to carry a rifle?

627
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: And you're like, that's like two.

628
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: Goes to like a law enforcement job and submits to

629
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: resume like I want to be a law enforcement They're

630
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: like your two hands on a marine. You don't understand,

631
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: but they don't and sometimes you don't because you're taught

632
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: and this is the way it is. And you know,

633
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: you're taught to answer with the word kill. You're taught

634
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: as a yes, and you get out. We don't really

635
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: reply that way in a civilian world unless you wind

636
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: up in a corporate environment where there's guys that might

637
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: be like you or me who are like, oh, I

638
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: get you. Yeah right, you want to eat a baby?

639
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: I understand that. You know, it's okay, you're hungry, it's lunchtime.

640
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: I got you. You know. I think that makes a

641
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: smile to know there's folks out there like ourselves that

642
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: are looking. I mean, I've got veterans that were hired

643
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: veterans for me at my shops, and you know, I

644
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: hear them talking all sorts of acronyms.

645
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 3: Still, yeah, yeah, totally.

646
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 4: I mean, well we all do it right, like I

647
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 4: still get together with some of my buddies from the

648
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 4: VBSS time and like throw around the old acronyms.

649
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 3: But it's uh, but it is.

650
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 4: It's helpful to know context, right, It's helpful to be

651
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 4: able to like have that as an outlet or a

652
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 4: way to remember and sort of celebrate the things you've done.

653
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: I knew what you were saying when you said VVSS right,

654
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Speaker 2: that acronym, right, I don't I don't do that, but

655
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Speaker 2: I know that, and I know an idea of what

656
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Speaker 2: it is, and that's all it takes. Oh damn, Rad

657
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Speaker 2: what VBS? What do you mean? Mark time? What do

658
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Speaker 2: you mean? Cyrus plate removal? Release handle on my rig?

659
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: What do you know about side sappy swimmer plates? What

660
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Speaker 2: are you talking about? But what are you talking about? Rad?

661
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Speaker 2: What have flotation device in my kid? Exactly? Yeah, exactly,

662
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: very specific stuff. Eagle Industries? What why LBT? I don't understand, right,

663
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: I don't understand war games. It's all about war games, right,

664
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Speaker 2: So I do that. I do that out here. I

665
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: haven't really explained that a little bit to you. My

666
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: listeners probably hear it on a lot of my shows,

667
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: but I do their soft war games on a large scale.

668
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: And we have guys like yourself, or guys who can

669
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Speaker 2: never get into the military because of maybe an eye

670
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: issue when they were like premature when they were born,

671
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Speaker 2: and so they can never get in, but they're Captain

672
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: America's heart. They should be in. You look around, you

673
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: think about guys that got in, and you're like, how

674
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Speaker 2: did you get here? That guy, that guy, the kid

675
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, should be that guy, okay, because he

676
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: has asthma. He wants to be there. So if you're

677
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: that kid out there that wants to, you know, get

678
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: involved and you want to play some war games, look

679
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: me up on Instagram or wherever that's at. And if

680
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Speaker 2: you want to submit your resume and you have an

681
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Speaker 2: engineering or you have AI dreams, you hit up X

682
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Speaker 2: and Technologies. Let me just spell that. It's e x

683
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Speaker 2: y N right. That's right, Okay, x y N and technologies.

684
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you spell that and the rest of

685
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Speaker 2: you out there cam down below how you think it

686
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: should be spelled. That's awesome. That's awesome. So what are

687
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 2: you doing to keep your sanity aside from you know,

688
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: the Navy and the AI. Is there something that you're doing,

689
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: What are you doing?

690
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: What do you have to Well, right now it's mostly

691
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 4: my my three and five year old taking up my time.

692
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: But previous to that, you know, I played I played

693
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Speaker 4: rugby for ten years when I was finishing up the

694
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Speaker 4: Navy and as as I was jumping down in the

695
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Speaker 4: civilian world. Now is a real, real great group of

696
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 4: guys across a few teams, and you know, helped get

697
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 4: me grounded too, because.

698
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Speaker 2: Right is dope. So when you're when you have the ball,

699
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: when you have the rugby what's it called, it's the ball? Okay,

700
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: so you have the ruggy ball and you see him

701
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: in the running and there's there's stiff arming somebody stiff arm.

702
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: But dive into the in zone? Yeah, is it? Do

703
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: you have to dive?

704
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: You don't have to dive, but you have to touch

705
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: the ball on the ground.

706
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: So like American football you just have to cross the

707
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 4: plane and rugby you have to touch the ball to

708
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Speaker 4: the ground of control.

709
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Speaker 2: And so that's probably and so it also probably protects

710
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: it when it's within you. And then as you're going

711
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: down like that, you're like, I'm going in for is

712
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 2: it a touchdown?

713
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: In rugby, it's a try it's called a try.

714
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So you're going in and you're getting trying to

715
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: get it, you're getting a try. So it's better just

716
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Speaker 2: to protect the ball and just dive on it.

717
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Speaker 4: Huh yeah, but you have to the ball has to

718
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 4: touch You can't, like, you can't protect.

719
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Speaker 3: It so it doesn't touch the ground because then that

720
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Speaker 3: doesn't count.

721
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Speaker 2: Got so so does the ref? Is the ref watching

722
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: that whole situation? Just like?

723
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

724
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Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah, I like sports. I do love sports. I

725
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: promise baseball was my game. But I feel like six

726
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: foot five, I could probably play a little rugby.

727
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

728
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

729
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Speaker 2: It wasn't really a soccer player though, But is there

730
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Speaker 2: a goalie and rugby?

731
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's The teaming looks a lot like American football,

732
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 4: except that you don't have stoppages in the same way.

733
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Speaker 3: So like if you get.

734
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 4: Tackled, just have to roll over and put the ball

735
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: back and then your teammates immediately try and get it.

736
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Speaker 4: So it's like a very continuous game.

737
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: It's exhausted where the football they bring out the yardage

738
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Speaker 2: line and they put it on their thing and they say, okay,

739
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: first down. It's like you guys are just battling over

740
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: the ob generous, the package the ball to just get

741
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: a try right until you do.

742
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: Or until it turns over and then they try and

743
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Speaker 3: go the other way.

744
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: What's the time I'm going to be called for?

745
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 4: Just like if it goes out of bounds, then you'll

746
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 4: you'll start what's called a set piece, which is kind

747
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 4: of like kind of like a soccer throw in a

748
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 4: line out, or if you have penalties sometimes they'll uh,

749
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 4: they'll do a stoppage and restart. So but it's but

750
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 4: in general, you have a much more fluid game than

751
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 4: like standard American football, soccer and football.

752
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: And I'm doubt Oh yeah, my wife wants to give

753
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 2: me in a pickle ball, but I think we're gonna

754
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: go for rugby.

755
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: I mean, it's as much a social thing as it

756
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: is a sports thing.

757
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 4: I love the sport itself, but the camaraderie and the

758
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 4: community around rugby is really good. Every It's not maybe

759
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 4: for everyone, but like after most of the matches you

760
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 4: will go to a social where the teams get together,

761
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 4: tell stories, tease each other and like a real it's

762
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: a real brotherhood about it.

763
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: It's really awesome.

764
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Speaker 2: I love that. And do you have any teams you

765
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: want to give a shout out to you that you played.

766
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: For Schoogle River Exiles from Philadelphia and Virginia Beach Falcons

767
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 4: were the two teams I played for.

768
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Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's way awesome, and I love that. And

769
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: I read something about you where you were forty under forty?

770
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: Is that for Forbes?

771
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 3: That was for the Wharton your business school?

772
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, and so.

773
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 4: Wharton magazine did a forty under forty for their alumni,

774
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 4: and that was I got in there with one of

775
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 4: my co founders from one of my last companies, which

776
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 4: was a marketing automation startup that basically tried to simplify

777
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 4: the process of identifying content influencers on like youth, uber

778
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 4: and so and then getting them branded deals. So doing

779
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 4: dynamic pricing for a platform, which was super interesting. I

780
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 4: didn't know anything about marketing beforehand, so it's fun to

781
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 4: sort of dive headfirst into a completely new industry. And

782
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 4: also taught me a lot about the mechanics of how

783
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 4: money flows in the content world, which I mean is

784
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: probably something you deal with them, I'm sure.

785
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 2: Well, I saw you know that I'm not paid by

786
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: like anyone other than software up. You know, I take

787
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: care of software up, they take care of me. But

788
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 2: that's I don't know, and holds any master of puppets

789
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: over me per se, except for Brandon Web. I got

790
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: to give him that with all fairness, right, he also

791
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: lets me be my own master. So so with that,

792
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: I mean I have been offered, Okay, I had people

793
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: approach me, and it's almost a political situation, and I'm

794
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: just like, you know, if I took your sponsorship and

795
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: we're all this gear, people would make that care. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

796
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: you know, even though it seems like you want something

797
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: for free, everybody wants this, you know, especially like in

798
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: the snowboard world or in the ski skateboard or DMX

799
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: or motocross or whatever extreme everybody wants a sponsor. Everybody

800
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: wants somebody to sponsor them and like pay them and

801
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: do what they love. Pay me to do what I love.

802
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: So sometimes you can get kind of screwed over on

803
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: a social influencer because they may not you may think

804
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 2: that they were good, but they don't. They're just pushing

805
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: some money.

806
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 4: Right, right, And that's like part of the fundamental problem

807
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 4: of that market. You know, it's really hard to try

808
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 4: and balance that authenticity and for some of those folks,

809
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 4: they still got to get paid well.

810
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: And if you think about it today, right, and I'm

811
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 2: not going to mention these people's names, but there's there's

812
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: a crypto company that just crashed heavily, okay, all right,

813
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of heavy influential sports stars and

814
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: actors who are like, hey, you should have this, you

815
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: should use this. You shouldn't I use it. Hey, they

816
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 2: were paid behind the scenes to influence us to invest

817
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: in this company. Yep, that just crashed. Ye, And so

818
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: now they're all being held on that.

819
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

820
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's dice like and that's that's a risk for

821
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 4: that person too, right, because the organization is partially on

822
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: the line.

823
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: But what they thought the first was like, oh, your

824
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: agent says, hey, here's a six figure check because they

825
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: got paid I think like anywhere from like one hundred

826
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: and forty to one hundred eighty thousand dollars a pitch,

827
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 2: Like oh yeah, because there was we know who we're

828
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: talking about. Then dude, bro, you got they got some

829
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: lifestyles to pay for on that situation, you know, and

830
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 2: holy Canoli, jeez, Louise, So again, I like to have

831
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: this you know, you might hear because we're teamed up

832
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: with like iHeartRadio, you might hear every now and then

833
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: like a nicotine ad And I'm like, why I'm talking

834
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: to veterans about like cutting out, like you know, problems

835
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: and Okay, you can have a smoke, but then all

836
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's like, do you need a whiskey shot?

837
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: And I'm like, guys, can we just like can our

838
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: sponsors not be whiskey and cigarettes police, like like the

839
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: commercial break in between the podcasts, but no offense. I heart,

840
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: I love you, thank you, But I mean, can we

841
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: get some like at least some like you know, nutrient

842
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: gena on here or something, you know, hair care products.

843
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know why, but I mean hello, because

844
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: after you get out of the military, you kind of stop

845
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: shaving and cutting your hair and every single day, I.

846
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 4: Mean even even during leave in the military, it was

847
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: like it was just a known thing. You just do

848
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 4: not shave, you let a beard out, and like you know,

849
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: and especially I don't know, I think it's different for

850
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 4: different branches, but like when I was on deployment, I

851
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 4: had to shave twice a day because the gas mask

852
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: seal wouldn't seal right if you had too much stubble

853
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 4: or a beard, and so you know, mustaches were fine,

854
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 4: but like you gotta gotta shave on the sides, and

855
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: so that was like years of that. I was like,

856
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 4: I'm ready for a beard.

857
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean, like, look what happened. You know,

858
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: I was dry shaving on a foot locker, you know,

859
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: just like making sure mine strut to keep up. To me,

860
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: He's like, did you shave to day Rayel? I was

861
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: like yes. He's like you sure about that? And I

862
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 2: was like, oh, he's gonna make me go shave again. Dude.

863
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: I got the whole sensing going on or something. It's like,

864
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: you shave once, this is right back. So you know,

865
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: it's all good times, all all fun times shaven every day. Man.

866
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 2: Also want if you're a razor company and you want

867
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: to put on here, try to give it a shave.

868
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: Let's do something for charity. Hit me up. I'm open.

869
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 2: It doesn't make me, I make it, so let's go

870
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: Razor company. Well, listen, I really enjoyed this conversation. It's

871
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: been really fun going back and forth and getting to

872
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: know you and talking about everything. Ben, is there anything

873
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 2: you want to, like, just drop on us real quick

874
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: before we kind of wrap things up here.

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00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 4: Just listen to people around him. I think that's the

876
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 4: source of all of my company problems have always been

877
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 4: bad communication to us, and most of the personal problems

878
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: have ever had bad communication. So sit and listen to

879
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 4: each other, try and understand.

880
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: Really good advice. And I'll take that to heart as well.

881
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: And I also like to say compromise is always a

882
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: good thing, and hear both sides of the story. And

883
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: then just even if you're in charge, just listen, just listen,

884
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: because you might just be like, oh, you're right. I

885
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: was wrong, you were right, Like that person was right.

886
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: I've had that just the other day. As a matter

887
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: of fact, someone is trying to return a product to me.

888
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: Is a red dot optic for a gun, and I

889
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: have a no return policy for electronics. And I'm like,

890
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: what did you do? Did you try to adjust the

891
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: height and elevation on it? Did you do something to it?

892
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: Did you dig u u u u? And then he's

893
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: like no, almost to tears, And I don't mean to

894
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: make that. I was just a pretty tall, intimidating so

895
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: I stepped back and I said, hold on, let me

896
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: get a new one. And I grabbed a new one

897
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: out and I grabbed his and I side by side

898
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: of him. I was like, what's wrong with it? He's like,

899
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 2: it's in the dark. If you go in the dark room,

900
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: the light goes away, the red dot goes away. I'm like, what,

901
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 2: we have to have a red dot for low light.

902
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: This is for low light. You're tripping me. I wasn't

903
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 2: listening to him. Yeah, I wasn't. I was insulting him,

904
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: and I realized it and I stopped and I listened

905
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: to him, and it was doing what he said. And

906
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: I pulled all of those off my shelf at my

907
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: one store. I called my buddy and I said, pull

908
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: them all off the other shelf. They're doing this exact thing.

909
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: And he's like, that's lame. I was like, right, it's like,

910
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: but that's a lot of product. And then I apologize

911
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: to my customer and Kyle, I know it's you, and

912
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: you know it's you, and I'm sorry that I came

913
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: at you, bro, and thanks for having a conversation if

914
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: you listen to this. But it got handled out. But

915
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: again I was very just like I'm right, you're wrong. No, yeah,

916
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: thanks for that. Thanks for pulling that out of me.

917
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: I appreciate your advice on that, so and again, listening

918
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 2: to each other is a good thing, So thank you

919
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: of course.

920
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate you taking the time here. It's been

921
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: really fun.

922
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I hope that my listener goes and

923
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: checks out Xen Technology and learns about what you have

924
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: to offer. You know, if you are interested in learning

925
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: about Rugby, send him an email, come join up. Well, Ben,

926
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: it's been a pleasure to have you on the show today,

927
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: and I want to thank again Brandon Webb for always

928
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 2: believing in me to take the microphone and interview gentlemen

929
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: of your stature. And you know, I mean, you're right

930
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: up there. Wait till you see it go up on

931
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: the website. You're like, okay, here, I am right there, exciting,

932
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: all right, and uh thanks to uh let's see who

933
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: brought you here to me? Was it? Uh? It wasn't

934
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: it was uh Lily right.

935
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: I think that might make might be right.

936
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, Lily, I said four different names, but Lily,

937
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 2: I think he's the one. So thanks Lily for the correspondence.

938
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: And you know, we'll keep you around and if we

939
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: need to have you back on and talk more about

940
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: your AI, I'd love to have you on as a repeat.

941
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: No propriate much appreciate it.

942
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: Well, this is Rad saying thank you on behalf of

943
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: Ben and Software up radio, and don't for just go

944
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: check out our merch store. We got merch. I know

945
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: you like to buy it. Go check it out. Support us.

946
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: We totally appreciate it. And again iHeartRadio. I love you.

947
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,000
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948
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: Keep it real. Okay, all right, and again thanks to

949
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 2: Ben for being on the show. And this is Rat

950
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 2: say in peace.

951
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 4: Us.

952
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,680
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