Speaker 1: Thinking sideways. I don't know, you never know. The story
Speaker 1: is of things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey,
Speaker 1: everyone thinking excited was podcast as always. I'm Devin, joined
Speaker 1: by Joe, Steve and Steve and Steve and Steve and
Speaker 1: Joe and Joe and Den you know the trio the Scoobies.
Speaker 1: If you can tell, we're already trying to pad this
Speaker 1: episode up. It's going to be a quick one. We
Speaker 1: I hope. I mean every time we say it's going
Speaker 1: to be a quick one, it ends up being actually
Speaker 1: like much longer than we think it's going to be
Speaker 1: because you guys ramble on endlessly. Listen. Sorry everyone, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's Joe won't stop talking and get shocking. So we're
Speaker 1: going to talk a little bit about the monster with
Speaker 1: twenty one faces. It's got a bunch of different like
Speaker 1: a k s. But we're just going to call it
Speaker 1: the monster with twenty one faces. YEA cool, cool cool.
Speaker 1: So our mystery starts mysteriously like, but we are going
Speaker 1: to do a little background first. Have you ever have
Speaker 1: you guys ever had pocky? You know, I never have,
Speaker 1: I've seen it one of my favorite snacks actually at work,
Speaker 1: Sometimes people are like, hey, we're gonna get pocky and
Speaker 1: I'm like for me, and they're like, no to sell,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, ah, but I want to eat it. All.
Speaker 1: That's the worst. So it's um. For those of you
Speaker 1: who don't know what pockey is, google it probably is
Speaker 1: the best way. UM. But it's these like kind of
Speaker 1: biscuit sticks that are dipped in chocolate, the best way
Speaker 1: I can describe them. Sometimes they have sprinkles and other
Speaker 1: little silly or they're dipped in like you know, creamy
Speaker 1: caramel or or strawberry flavors or you know whatever. It's
Speaker 1: a confection in what country? Yeah, Japan and made in Japan.
Speaker 1: Um and the company that makes it is called Isakai
Speaker 1: Glico Leko is how I would say that word? My
Speaker 1: Japanese is not on point, I will be honest with you.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to be mispronouncing a lot of these words.
Speaker 1: I apologize in advance, and I can't remember how we
Speaker 1: decided we were going to pronounce. This is marian Ghana
Speaker 1: more Naga is another large confectionery producer and Japan, And
Speaker 1: I'm not I couldn't tell if they actually export to
Speaker 1: America or not. A lot of their stuff was labeled
Speaker 1: in English, but I couldn't. I would imagine if they're
Speaker 1: putting it in English, they're probably selling it in this country,
Speaker 1: but I can't totally, so I couldn't tell. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been to huge there's huge Asian markets store supermarkets
Speaker 1: here in in our city, and I see a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff there. So I've got to imagine that
Speaker 1: it's probably labeled in both for export for those kind
Speaker 1: of situations. Sure, sure, um. And as an other side note, um,
Speaker 1: the monster with twenty one faces has never been identified,
Speaker 1: so for for all we know, it could just be
Speaker 1: one person. Um. But I'm I'm going to go ahead
Speaker 1: and just for the purposes of this story, I'm and
Speaker 1: assume that it was more than one person and use
Speaker 1: plural pronouns just to like throw that out. That makes sense, Okay,
Speaker 1: So here we go, mysterious start every already? All right,
Speaker 1: March eighteenth, night four at nine am, two masked men,
Speaker 1: one armed with a pistol, the other armed with a rifle.
Speaker 1: Enter Cotson, how do you say that? How would you say?
Speaker 1: They tied Ezekai's wife and daughter up. Believing the two
Speaker 1: men were just like regular robbers. Isazekai's wife tried to
Speaker 1: negotiate them for her freedom and her daughter's freedom and
Speaker 1: its change for money, but they said, no, that's not
Speaker 1: what we want. They cut the telephone lines and stormed
Speaker 1: into the bathroom where Eazakai and his other two children
Speaker 1: were hiding. The two men abducted Eazakai only and held
Speaker 1: him captive in a warehouse. And I know I didn't
Speaker 1: mention this before, but Eazakai is of Easakai Glico Fame.
Speaker 1: He is the president of at least he was then.
Speaker 1: He's the dude. He's the owner, the CEO, the grand pa,
Speaker 1: the candy man. He is the candy man. So the
Speaker 1: next morning, the director of Glico was contacted, and the
Speaker 1: people who contacted him, presumably the kidnappers, demanded a ransom
Speaker 1: of one billion yen and a hundred kilograms um. That's
Speaker 1: just over two and twenty pounds for our American listeners
Speaker 1: of gold Bouleon. And let's just go ahead and say,
Speaker 1: I not yeah, you can't make soup out of it, fair, um.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go ahead and say that, like there
Speaker 1: are a lot of places around the Internet that say
Speaker 1: it was ten pounds or noms um, but Wikipedia says
Speaker 1: it was a hundred and as we all know, Wikipedia is,
Speaker 1: so we're just going to say it was What the
Speaker 1: hell doesn't matter. Obviously, the director could not act immediately
Speaker 1: because that's a whole mess of everything. He couldn't just
Speaker 1: like in a day produce all those things. So it
Speaker 1: took him a couple of days. She would like to
Speaker 1: have just like hanging out would be awesome, It would
Speaker 1: be pretty awesome. Yeah, the foundation of my house blow away?
Speaker 1: Oh man, where do you live again? Some other place? Okay,
Speaker 1: So because it took the director so long, um three
Speaker 1: days later, on the twenty one of March, Isazekai actually escaped.
Speaker 1: And actually it turns out that perhaps he could have
Speaker 1: escaped the whole time because he was literally just sitting
Speaker 1: in a warehouse. Like he wasn't tied up, he was guarded,
Speaker 1: It wasn't locked up by any records that anybody can
Speaker 1: kind of. These guys are really terrible at hostage taking. Well,
Speaker 1: they're really great at hostage holding. Because it took him
Speaker 1: three days to figure out that he wasn't being guarded.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's really weird. Yeah, I've got to admit
Speaker 1: that's really weird. We're gonna put you in this room.
Speaker 1: Do not try the door handle. I know it says exit,
Speaker 1: but don't touch that handle. Well, I think most reasonable
Speaker 1: human beings, upon being kidnapped right and threatened with guns
Speaker 1: and stuff, probably then like thrown into a warehouse, are
Speaker 1: just going to assume that they're locked, or assume that
Speaker 1: somebody is standing on the other side of the door.
Speaker 1: And when you know, three days, you probably don't want
Speaker 1: to make your captors angry with you. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: but well he did. Actually, you know, if I had
Speaker 1: been him, though, you know, I wouldn't have wouldn't have
Speaker 1: come and said, yeah, yeah, they just left me unguarded.
Speaker 1: I would have said, yeah that was I was tied
Speaker 1: up and as handcuffed, miraculous, and yeah if I found it,
Speaker 1: pin line on the floor and I picked my cuffs
Speaker 1: even though there behind my back. But a tok me
Speaker 1: a while, and then then I had to clock that
Speaker 1: I had to clob or a guard, and I had
Speaker 1: to snatch a weapon from another one and hold them
Speaker 1: a bay while I made a break. Can you remember
Speaker 1: how we were talking about these episodes being really long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying she should have made up a better story.
Speaker 1: You get kids have to escape, you want to come
Speaker 1: up with a better story than that. Yeah. So, actually
Speaker 1: the kidnappers were not pleased. So a couple of days later,
Speaker 1: on April tenth of the same year, three vehicles were
Speaker 1: set on fire at one of Glico's test facilities. Um
Speaker 1: and shortly after on the sixteenth, so six days later,
Speaker 1: there was a tub plastic tub or I guess kind
Speaker 1: of bucket container full of hydrochloric acid that was accompanied
Speaker 1: by a threatening note quote unquote was attached to it.
Speaker 1: Were left somewhere, it's not totally were it was found
Speaker 1: near a Glico test stility. I want to know, what
Speaker 1: is a test facility for a candy man? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: could think of a munitions company. They have a test
Speaker 1: facility where it's concrete walls, so nothing he blows up,
Speaker 1: but it's candy. Yeah, but you got to test all
Speaker 1: the products. You've got to make sure that it's not toxic.
Speaker 1: You want to make sure that like the sugar contents testing.
Speaker 1: I imagine they probably have it's like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like it's any testing anything they've got these laboratories that
Speaker 1: are filled with kids that are like in cages, this
Speaker 1: stuff reping this stuff like you know, massive quantities NonStop,
Speaker 1: you know, for you, yet what it does to them,
Speaker 1: I thought it was like Willy Wonka's test facility. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's probably it. Yeah, moving on. So anyway, so after that,
Speaker 1: what happened on May tenth, so, like you know, a
Speaker 1: little less than a month later, Glico began receiving letters
Speaker 1: from the Monster with twenty one Faces. And you know,
Speaker 1: because it's Japanese and it's can it's a monster with
Speaker 1: one faces is sometimes translated as the missed three Man
Speaker 1: with twenty one faces or the Phantom with twenty one
Speaker 1: faces in that name. They didn't just make that up.
Speaker 1: Isn't it from a comic or some series. It's from
Speaker 1: a non or from a fiction novel, um. But I
Speaker 1: think it's like the way I would compare it is
Speaker 1: that like if somebody in America had picked a villain
Speaker 1: from a Stephen King novel and decided to take that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like some huge Japanese mythology that everybody would
Speaker 1: be like saying, and this letter is signed by the
Speaker 1: Tommy Knockers. Yeah, I don't know who. The Tommy Knockers are. Pokemon, Yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that. Tommy Knockers are a Stephen King novel
Speaker 1: about a group of really creepy aliens. See, apparently that
Speaker 1: works out great. They're green, they're mean, they have a spaceship.
Speaker 1: Let's keep going. Read that one. You totally read that one.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the Tommy Knockers because you know what. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're way off topic. Keep going, please have it. So
Speaker 1: in the in the letter, the monster with twenty one
Speaker 1: faces claimed to have laced certain Glicko products with potassium cyanide.
Speaker 1: That's not it's not great. I just like for the
Speaker 1: general knowledge of everybody listening, in case you don't know, cyanide.
Speaker 1: Both potassium and sodium cyanide essentially render your body unable
Speaker 1: to use the oxygen in your blood. It kills you.
Speaker 1: It kills you pretty quickly. You suffocate quite quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's tasteless and odorless and dissolves just like sugar does.
Speaker 1: Uh So, Glicko, being at least a mildly decent company,
Speaker 1: pull literally all of their product off of the shelves. Um.
Speaker 1: This resulted in a twenty one million dollar or yen
Speaker 1: I can't, I don't know, really lost and a layoff
Speaker 1: of about a hundred four and fifty workers, right because
Speaker 1: they lost so much money, they couldn't afford to pay
Speaker 1: their people to keep working. And they were all part
Speaker 1: time people. I think, yeah, they were all part time people.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you know, it does best
Speaker 1: five part time people. I don't think that makes it
Speaker 1: any less bad. They probably got hired back. I mean, essentially,
Speaker 1: you know, when you pull your products off the shelves,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna immediately restocked them. Probably you're gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna suspend production for a little bit un till you
Speaker 1: figure out what's going on. And so they probably got
Speaker 1: hired back. Maybe UM the Monster with twenty one faces
Speaker 1: at about the same time wrote a letter UM threatening
Speaker 1: to say that they had more of that tampered product.
Speaker 1: They had purchased a bunch or however, procured a bunch
Speaker 1: of the tampered with products, and that they were going
Speaker 1: to place it back on the shelves once Glicko restocked
Speaker 1: the shelves. They also sent a letter to the media.
Speaker 1: The letters to the media were handwritten and in a
Speaker 1: very distinct Osaka dialect, which was different than all of
Speaker 1: the letters that Glicko had been receiving. They were all
Speaker 1: typewritten on a typewriter. Here's some of the examples of
Speaker 1: what we're on the latters. Yeah, they're they're really kind,
Speaker 1: they're really beau of full dear dumb police officers. Don't
Speaker 1: tell a lie. All crimes begin with a lie, as
Speaker 1: we say in Japan. Don't you know that? Other letters
Speaker 1: were written two police stations that kind of related similar messages. Uh,
Speaker 1: This one that is often quoted says, why don't you
Speaker 1: keep it to yourself? You seem to be at a loss,
Speaker 1: so why not let us help you. We'll give you
Speaker 1: a clue. We entered the factory by the front gate.
Speaker 1: The typewriter we used was a pan writer. The plastic
Speaker 1: container we used was a piece of street garbage, monster
Speaker 1: with twenty one faces, basically taunting. Oh yeah, here's here's
Speaker 1: here's how we did part of it. Don't worry about
Speaker 1: finding that out now, try and find us. So and
Speaker 1: it might have been more than taunting. You might have
Speaker 1: you know, it could be somebody who actually is having
Speaker 1: a little fun with them because they're so close to them.
Speaker 1: Actually working for the company whatever. They're basically telling the truth,
Speaker 1: not just taunting them, but actually giving them, giving them
Speaker 1: big old clues. Yeah, that turns out the monster eventually
Speaker 1: got bored with their extortion of Clicko because they weren't
Speaker 1: getting anything. And so that was kind of where I
Speaker 1: was going to go. But keep keep going. But so
Speaker 1: on June of the same year, so like within the
Speaker 1: span of just a couple of months, um, they released
Speaker 1: a media statement that said we forgive Glico exclamation point
Speaker 1: and turned their attentions elsewhere. And as a side note,
Speaker 1: the deeper we at this point really, I mean we've
Speaker 1: read a couple of the letters getting the sense of
Speaker 1: the monster with twenty one faces. The deeper we get
Speaker 1: into this story, the less believable it becomes. You know.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like discussing the story with some
Speaker 1: people and they were like, Wow, the monster with faces
Speaker 1: sounds like it's a five year old. Like some of
Speaker 1: the letters that are written to the police, especially as
Speaker 1: we continue on, sound like it's like a five year
Speaker 1: old or you know, like a teenager that's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I see this in the movies. That will be perfect. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and and and the thing is is they say we
Speaker 1: forgive Glico. That to me indicates that Glicko got some
Speaker 1: letters that they didn't spill the beans on and paid
Speaker 1: out saying stop screwing with us, stop messing with us,
Speaker 1: and we'll pay you money as possible. I actually I
Speaker 1: suspect that Glicko Iseka, the president of the company, was
Speaker 1: probably behind this whole thing so used to it's just kidnapping,
Speaker 1: and he arranged for all the notes everything, because this
Speaker 1: gave him a great way after you know, after you
Speaker 1: got the forgiveness letter, then he can go harass all
Speaker 1: his competitors and cost them huge amounts of money and
Speaker 1: also extort lots of lots of money from them fair.
Speaker 1: So I also want to go ahead and mention another
Speaker 1: thing that happened quickly before we move on. A surveillance
Speaker 1: video caught a man wearing a Giants baseball cap. Giants
Speaker 1: the baseball team, not a Giant baseball cap. No Giants
Speaker 1: is in the baseball team from America. He was wearing that,
Speaker 1: and they caught him placing Glico candies onto shelves of
Speaker 1: a supermarket. And the I said that letter had threatened
Speaker 1: to do call him. The video tape man. Right, do again,
Speaker 1: it's this whole like, the whole story just sounds like
Speaker 1: a bad anime or something. Right, It's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: as we go into this more right. The suspects are
Speaker 1: the video tape man, the Fox side man, Yugio. I
Speaker 1: saw the video tape man down the street. Let's go
Speaker 1: get him. It does a little bit sound that way,
Speaker 1: the video the video tape man. The first thing I
Speaker 1: thought of was I thought about those times when you
Speaker 1: go to the store and you pick up something. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll indulge myself, you bag of candy or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then the other on you think maybe not, you
Speaker 1: go back and you put it back on the shelf.
Speaker 1: Could have been well, it was my understanding that he
Speaker 1: was putting like a fair amount back on. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like just a bag or two that it like he
Speaker 1: was pulling it out of his pocket, not out of
Speaker 1: his basket. I didn't see the video. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: the video. The video we only see stills. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I guess the footage was released at one point. But again,
Speaker 1: this is you know, the eighties, so it's not like
Speaker 1: we have the internet to like, yeah, yeah, so in
Speaker 1: October of the same year, UM the media of Osaka
Speaker 1: received a letter addressed to the moms of the nation,
Speaker 1: which was of course from the Monster with twenty one faces.
Speaker 1: This time it claimed to have laced twenty packages of
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I've forgotten how Rinaga chocolates with sodium
Speaker 1: cyanide instead of you know, they do the same thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: they're just as bad. They're both, they're both awful. After
Speaker 1: receiving this letter, the police search stores in cities of Tokyo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in that kind of in the Osaka, a western Japan
Speaker 1: area basically well, and you know Japan is like five
Speaker 1: or six different islands, but right on the yeah, anyway, um,
Speaker 1: and they found over a dozen of lethal packages of
Speaker 1: cocoa balls and angel pies before anyone was poison and
Speaker 1: these packages had actually been like relabeled like stickers Edmond
Speaker 1: put on them to say like danger contains toxins or
Speaker 1: something similar, which is really you're not trying to hide
Speaker 1: what you're doing. At that point, if we think about
Speaker 1: things that people have done, remember was it the the
Speaker 1: aspirin scare Thailand all scared they were saying they they
Speaker 1: they injected it into the mix, and so you couldn't
Speaker 1: tell which ones. But this is this is very open
Speaker 1: and in your face, whereas the Thailand all scare was
Speaker 1: very insidious because you did not know. Yeah. Actually actually
Speaker 1: the time all thing was just somebody trying to murder
Speaker 1: his wife. He went back and put some on the
Speaker 1: shelves in the store, just right. I know. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, it's like, you can't yeah, you can't tell.
Speaker 1: I know, It's like and I think, you know, if
Speaker 1: this would continue, they might have eventually started putting them
Speaker 1: on the shelves without putting labels on them. Well, and
Speaker 1: that was my impression of like the Pockey for instance,
Speaker 1: was that it had been part of the mix. They didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, say, oh we tampered with twenty of these boxes.
Speaker 1: It was just kind of like a bunch of your
Speaker 1: stuff is bad. Uh. So they actually continued to search
Speaker 1: for them, and more tampered confections were found in February
Speaker 1: of nine, five the year later, which meant that they
Speaker 1: found twenty one um of these products about a four
Speaker 1: or five month period, which again twenty one monster with
Speaker 1: one face. Whatever, It's fine, No, I see the correlation.
Speaker 1: There's very sneaky somehow, and it's it's really not important
Speaker 1: how because why would it be important. How a deal
Speaker 1: was made with a monster with twenty one faces with
Speaker 1: a certain other confectionery producer, and basically the monster with
Speaker 1: faces would stopped grassing them for five million yen and
Speaker 1: the arrangement, I'm sorry, fifty million, adding zeros all over
Speaker 1: the place. It's fine. That's why the show is doing
Speaker 1: so well. It's I keep adding zeros to our numbers.
Speaker 1: It's fine. So the arrangement was made that an employee
Speaker 1: of this company would toss the ransom money, like in
Speaker 1: a briefcase or whatever, huge bag that would contain fifty
Speaker 1: million in Actually don't know how much that would weigh
Speaker 1: or how big it would be. Yeah, you'd have to
Speaker 1: put it in yen notes. Yeah, well the end notes
Speaker 1: kind of coming big denominating. Yeah. Yeah, so I guess
Speaker 1: it was like a suitcase or something. So he would
Speaker 1: throw it onto a local train heading towards Kyoto. When
Speaker 1: a white flag was displayed from a certain location, it's
Speaker 1: it's again. It sounds kind of like a teenager being like,
Speaker 1: oh I see this in the movies. Yeah, So an investigator,
Speaker 1: a police investigator that was disguised as an employee of
Speaker 1: this company, was following the drop instructions instead of actually
Speaker 1: sending an actual employee. What makes sense again, it does?
Speaker 1: It does sound just like it's a movie, but fine, whatever.
Speaker 1: And he was following the instructions and he spotted a
Speaker 1: suspicious man who he said was observing him when he
Speaker 1: was writing the train to the drop spot. The man
Speaker 1: was described as a large, well bit, well built man
Speaker 1: wearing sunglasses, with his hair cut short and permed, and
Speaker 1: quote eyes like those of a fox unquote. I was
Speaker 1: able to see his eyes. I think I was wearing sunglass. Listen,
Speaker 1: the how is not important with so much of this story,
Speaker 1: the how was just not important. Sunglasses, right exactly. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know it comes back to a little bit like
Speaker 1: earlier right where we say, well a deal was struck,
Speaker 1: but like nobody had an address for the monster with
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like they could be like corresponding
Speaker 1: via letters. And at this point, you know it's you
Speaker 1: couldn't do encrypted email, so it wasn't like an anonymous
Speaker 1: email address or like an anonymous phone number, I assume. Anyways,
Speaker 1: as I said, the how is not important, Okay, so
Speaker 1: this is the fox Side Man. He's it's the videotaped
Speaker 1: man and the fox side Man or the two people
Speaker 1: who are kind of referred to as suspects. Yeah, these
Speaker 1: are are two main characters we know. Okay, now the
Speaker 1: fox side Man on the train too, you know, isn't
Speaker 1: it true that he um, he was sitting there staring
Speaker 1: at this cop the whole way, which is, by the way,
Speaker 1: not good trade craft. And then and then they get
Speaker 1: to Kyoto I think, then they both get off at
Speaker 1: the station, and then the the policeman eventually gets on
Speaker 1: the train going back to Osaka or wherever they were from,
Speaker 1: and this guy hits on the train with him. I mean,
Speaker 1: why at that point didn't the policeman arrest him. Well,
Speaker 1: that he was still undercover, I guess. But there was
Speaker 1: another investigator he had somehow communicated with the rest of
Speaker 1: his team and he said, Hey, there's this dude who's
Speaker 1: the Fox Sided Man, and he's following me. So other
Speaker 1: investigators were assigned to follow the fox Side Man, and
Speaker 1: he evaded them because of course he did. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's this weird skullduggery. Oh, there's a guy who is
Speaker 1: wearing sunglasses and staring at me. I've been on the
Speaker 1: train and I've been looking at somebody. Everybody is that
Speaker 1: guy staring at me? And then half an hour later
Speaker 1: I realized that guy is actually asleep. He's just sitting there,
Speaker 1: spacing out, not paying attention. And then goes, oh man,
Speaker 1: I missed my stop. I gotta go back. I gotta
Speaker 1: go back to stop. Oh man. Yeah, so this is
Speaker 1: simplifying the heck out of this. But no, I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's that's fair. Um, so police actually got so
Speaker 1: they lost him that first time, right, but they got
Speaker 1: a second chance at the fox side man November of
Speaker 1: eighty five, UM investigators were on their way to make
Speaker 1: a drop of more ransom money. Again, the how is
Speaker 1: just not important? Um when they saw the fox eyed
Speaker 1: man wearing a golf cap and dark glasses, always a
Speaker 1: dark glass. I'm not totally sure what it is. Isn't
Speaker 1: that like what Tiger Woods wears. That's a base that's
Speaker 1: a baseball golf cap, like one of those sports caps,
Speaker 1: like that's got the beret with a little bill. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's basically cap is an Irish golf course. In my mind,
Speaker 1: that's true too, Okay, um. So there was a cash
Speaker 1: delivery van that the investigators were tailing that continues to
Speaker 1: head towards the drop point where they were they were
Speaker 1: meant to drop the money inside a cam under a
Speaker 1: piece of cloth. So again, like the spatial reasoning of
Speaker 1: this is not super clear in my mind, but find whatever.
Speaker 1: When the delivery van reached the drop point, there was
Speaker 1: a white cloth sitting on the ground, but no can
Speaker 1: as an As a result, the investigative team was, of
Speaker 1: course in order to withdraw, they boarded the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did, and they thought, oh, well, it's clearly just
Speaker 1: the fox side man trying to evaluate the police response
Speaker 1: watching he was watching us. Well. Actually, as it turns out,
Speaker 1: like an hour before this botch drop, a local patrol
Speaker 1: car had spotted a station wagon that had its engine
Speaker 1: running and its headlights off and it was sitting like
Speaker 1: fifty meters away from a white cloth um that was
Speaker 1: suspended from a fence. So, being a responsible officer of
Speaker 1: the law, office, officer of the law, officer of the law,
Speaker 1: he drove up to the station wagon and show, like,
Speaker 1: you know, flash flashlight in in there. Uh, And he
Speaker 1: revealed a quote, thin cheeked man in his forties, wearing
Speaker 1: a golf cap over his eyes and more telling, a
Speaker 1: wireless receiver with headphones. Yeah, I guess so. So Prized
Speaker 1: by the policeman, the driver sped off, with the police
Speaker 1: car following in pursuit until the station wagon lost him.
Speaker 1: I can I have never seen a high speed chase
Speaker 1: with the station only in Japan. Grandpa and his station
Speaker 1: wagon outran the police. Yeah, the patty wagon, right, you
Speaker 1: would like to do in the movies. Now, you just
Speaker 1: have to have accomplices and other cars who rolled away.
Speaker 1: And so the station wagon, it turns out, was later
Speaker 1: found abandoned and it was discovered that it had been
Speaker 1: stolen earlier in that night. UM. Inside the car was
Speaker 1: a radio transceiver UM that had apparently been eavesdropping on
Speaker 1: radio communications between police officers from six different prefectures, including Osaka, Kyoto,
Speaker 1: and Kobe, which were the prefectures where the drop point.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, a prefecture not everybody knows that
Speaker 1: had its The prefect is basically kind of a county.
Speaker 1: It's an easy way to think of it. Exactly, so
Speaker 1: a lot why would they leave their transceiver in the car? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean you're running right, I mean you go quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's it's you know, you're you're leaving everything behind,
Speaker 1: So I just gotta get out of here. But he
Speaker 1: shook his tail. Yeah, fox sided man got away again.
Speaker 1: Damn once again, once again a rascal. I cannot I
Speaker 1: cannot emphasize enough. How like improbable And we're about to
Speaker 1: get a little more improbable. Yeah. So in August of
Speaker 1: the police superintendent of she goat prefectures that how you
Speaker 1: would say that? Yeah? And the only name he was
Speaker 1: given was Yamamoto um And he committed suicide by setting
Speaker 1: himself on fire, not the way I would do it,
Speaker 1: not the way I would know. No, that's that's a
Speaker 1: bad way to go. Yeah, and it was speculated. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it was speculation. I don't think he like
Speaker 1: left a note or like told anybody. My my impression
Speaker 1: is that it was speculated that it was because he
Speaker 1: was unable to solve the mystery of who the monster
Speaker 1: with one faces was. It's kind of like taking your
Speaker 1: job a little too seriously. That's but that's actually that's
Speaker 1: actually very um that's very indicative of Japanese culture. Everything
Speaker 1: is personal. It is my fault that I can't solve this,
Speaker 1: and in a way, in Japanese culture, it's your fault
Speaker 1: that some of these things happened, Like you take on
Speaker 1: a certain level of responsibility and guilt for lack of
Speaker 1: a better term for why these things are going on.
Speaker 1: That's that's a bit of the way their culture works.
Speaker 1: So I can see it. I don't understand it, but
Speaker 1: I know that that's how some of that works. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: just a couple of days after Yamamoto's suicide, the monster
Speaker 1: with twenty one faces sent what we would end up
Speaker 1: being the final message to the media. They sent it
Speaker 1: to the media, and I'm gonna read it, and I
Speaker 1: super apologize if I end up sounding like a bad
Speaker 1: anime character. All right, sailor mean, let's I'll read it.
Speaker 1: Yamamoto of Shiga Prefecture police died. How stupid of him.
Speaker 1: We've got no friends or secret hidings in Shiga. It's
Speaker 1: Yoshito or Shagita. Yeah, it's Yoshina or Shikita who should
Speaker 1: have died. What have they been doing for as long
Speaker 1: as one year and five months. Don't let bad guys
Speaker 1: like us get away with it. There are many more
Speaker 1: fools who want to copy us. No career. Yamamoto died
Speaker 1: like a man, so we decided to give our condolences.
Speaker 1: We decided to forget about torturing food making companies. If
Speaker 1: anyone blackmails any of the food making companies, it's not us,
Speaker 1: but somebody copying us. We are bad guys. That means
Speaker 1: that we've got more to do other than bullying companies.
Speaker 1: It's fun to lead a bad man's life. Monster. What's
Speaker 1: twenty one faces? Have you guys watched ax Cop? Ever?
Speaker 1: That just sounds like ax copy and co reference. Ax
Speaker 1: cop is written by a five year old you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard about five and that was that? Is that
Speaker 1: an animated thing? Or is Yeah, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: folk comics series, like it's not a comic strip though,
Speaker 1: or it's like a comic book, or it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's not on the internet only I believe that it's
Speaker 1: it's totally bogus. It's totally I remember, I remember we
Speaker 1: looked at we looked at some of the some of
Speaker 1: the stuff, and it's like this, this guy's kid is
Speaker 1: like his little brother. Yeah, that's hilarious, so ax cop.
Speaker 1: But that's exactly what that sounds like to me. It's
Speaker 1: like a five year old writing a letter from bad guys. Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: it does, you know, and I know that we're we're
Speaker 1: done with the story at this point, right pretty much?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's pretty much it. Yeah, it's pretty much. Okay.
Speaker 1: So here's here's my one thing about the story that
Speaker 1: really bothers me is I've done some reading on the
Speaker 1: Japanese police and their justice system, and I'm not and
Speaker 1: the stories that I've read focus on Tokyo, But I mean,
Speaker 1: this is kind of deal with the entire system as
Speaker 1: a whole. They always had, up until about the turn
Speaker 1: of this century, they had an amazing record for solving crimes.
Speaker 1: Do you know why they had an amazing record for
Speaker 1: solving crimes? Because they cherry picked what they were going
Speaker 1: to solve. In other words, if you came up and said,
Speaker 1: oh my god, my brother disappeared, Oh, well, your brother
Speaker 1: is probably a drug user, so we don't care. And
Speaker 1: then my brother was found dead in an alley two
Speaker 1: days later, Well, your brother was obviously a drug user,
Speaker 1: so we don't have to investigate that he overdosed. It's
Speaker 1: his fault. Like they have this weird mentality of if
Speaker 1: it's not an obvious answer, then we're not going to
Speaker 1: investigate it. Therefore, our numbers look really good. They also
Speaker 1: have this weird thing where they will only take on
Speaker 1: cases where they think they can get the culprit, and
Speaker 1: their entire judicial system in terms of prosecution at that
Speaker 1: time hinges upon a confession. So if I get somebody
Speaker 1: in the box, as they would say, so I get
Speaker 1: him in the room to confess to to interrogate them.
Speaker 1: They will interrogate somebody until they finally confess, and if
Speaker 1: somebody doesn't confess, they don't get it. There's been cases
Speaker 1: where people are like, I'm not going to confess to
Speaker 1: this crime. I didn't do the crime, and they don't
Speaker 1: understand it because it's sort of that cultural thing like
Speaker 1: you're actually partially responsible even if you're not involved. So
Speaker 1: your brother, let's say, is drug user, Well that's actually
Speaker 1: kind of your fault, so you should kind of take
Speaker 1: some culpability for that. So they have this weird cultural
Speaker 1: bias where they will only go after certain things. And
Speaker 1: because of that, I'm not going to say that they're inept,
Speaker 1: but they're very slow footed and they're not quick on
Speaker 1: the draw. They're not creative, and how they'll look at problems.
Speaker 1: So I know that what they probably did, if this
Speaker 1: is in my mind, like let's say, uh, Glico, that's
Speaker 1: the first one, right, is a Kaiah. They probably looked
Speaker 1: at him and they put him in the box and
Speaker 1: they said, Okay, what did you do? What did you do?
Speaker 1: That your fault that you got abducted and why did
Speaker 1: you what did you do wrong? And you should take
Speaker 1: some responsibility. And now they run this weird circular logic
Speaker 1: process and they I mean, this is very condensed. This
Speaker 1: is a very condensed issue with their their investigative process,
Speaker 1: but they do some really weird things and they cannot
Speaker 1: think outside of an extremely small box, which is what
Speaker 1: I have a lot of problems with a case that
Speaker 1: took a year and a half and they had lead none,
Speaker 1: I mean other than finding blatantly labeled candies on a
Speaker 1: shelf and a videotape and the supposed fox eyed man.
Speaker 1: There wasn't anything they found because they didn't theydn't they
Speaker 1: didn't cast a net that we know of. So actually
Speaker 1: that's a very interesting thing that you would say, Um,
Speaker 1: there actually are a couple theories from people around you know, again,
Speaker 1: they're maybe not like the most substantiated theories, but they
Speaker 1: are very interesting. Um oh yeah, no, I I like
Speaker 1: the theories. But I just I want to put that
Speaker 1: out to people that I think that maybe they didn't
Speaker 1: really pursue this as a solid case because they didn't
Speaker 1: want to. They pursued it because they had to. It's
Speaker 1: got a lot of publicity. Yeah, so it's not an
Speaker 1: easy to solve case. So crap work on Monday. They
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to go on, right, And I mean truly,
Speaker 1: like the monster with one one faces for like how
Speaker 1: horrible they were. They knew how to work the police system.
Speaker 1: They knew that the police weren't going to investigated if
Speaker 1: they weren't sending things to the media, if they weren't
Speaker 1: doing something super public. And that's yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: a good point, is that they wouldn't do anything that
Speaker 1: they knew they couldn't work around. I mean, obviously they
Speaker 1: were playing for fools. I mean, look at the typewriter
Speaker 1: I use, and they were and you know, they like,
Speaker 1: look at how dumb you are, Like, oh, we're bad men.
Speaker 1: Don't let us get away with it. Ha ha ha. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but they're so bad, So like here's a quotement. I know,
Speaker 1: we decided to forget about torturing food making companies. Um,
Speaker 1: we are bad guys. Yeah, Why I decided to forget
Speaker 1: about torturing food making companies? They get paid off, every
Speaker 1: single one of them. So actually I think they did.
Speaker 1: I think. So there's a couple theories here. All right,
Speaker 1: well let's let's my my, my tirade is done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there aren't. They're on a whole lot of them. One
Speaker 1: of them is do you know do you guys know um?
Speaker 1: Um yeah, Srikyo? Yeah, do you know? I know who
Speaker 1: they are? Yes, yes, So I can't pronounce it, but
Speaker 1: I knew who they are. Yeah. A cult, really truly
Speaker 1: a cult that carried out what I think has been
Speaker 1: dubbed the most horrific attack in Japan since the World
Speaker 1: War two world was dropped bomb, Yeah, basically, and it
Speaker 1: was Saren gas attacks in the chimneys subway freaking terrible.
Speaker 1: It's terrible. So Saren essentially kills you within one to
Speaker 1: five minutes of you. Yeah, it just it just paralyzes
Speaker 1: your lungs. Yeah. Yeah, So what happened was it was
Speaker 1: these kind of like religious nuts who were part of
Speaker 1: this cult defended. Yeah, they were fanatics, and they tried
Speaker 1: to do this attack. It ended up being kind of botched,
Speaker 1: which was good. I ended up being much better than
Speaker 1: it could have been. I think it only killed it
Speaker 1: only killed like twin people, I think, and it could
Speaker 1: have been a much It seriously injured it like temporarily
Speaker 1: blinded a hundred people or something like that, you know,
Speaker 1: and like many, many, many many people. Yeah. So they
Speaker 1: just like put buckets of this stuff next to subways
Speaker 1: as they were going by. You know. They could have
Speaker 1: been really really terrifying and gotten on subway cars and
Speaker 1: goodness stuff up and they would have killed thousands of
Speaker 1: people probably. That was so. Actually, it turns out that
Speaker 1: this cult was founded in four which is the same
Speaker 1: year that the Monster with twenty one Faces attack started happening.
Speaker 1: The cult is Shinko, right, Okay, And that's a whole
Speaker 1: different If you're interested in that, google it. It's a
Speaker 1: story in and of itself. Yeah, there's a lot there,
Speaker 1: but there is that theory circulating around. One of the
Speaker 1: other theories is that the Fox Side Man was actually
Speaker 1: a famed yakuza member named Manibu me me as Hockey.
Speaker 1: His alibis apparently checked out. It doesn't ever say what
Speaker 1: his albis were. Um, and I'm not sure that the
Speaker 1: police in that time period wouldn't necessarily like super pressure
Speaker 1: a member of the yakuza. Well and and again, do
Speaker 1: you remember my complaint about the Japanese police system is
Speaker 1: that the stories that i've i've dealt, I've read in
Speaker 1: that have been deep investigative stories is that I say, no,
Speaker 1: I was on holiday at this place, and they go, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you very much, and they never double check. They
Speaker 1: never double checked people's alibis, just oh, no, I said
Speaker 1: I was here. Oh, well, of course you wouldn't lie
Speaker 1: to the police. Why would you lie to the police. Yeah. So, actually, um,
Speaker 1: I think the yu Kusa theory is it's pretty popular,
Speaker 1: and I kind of like it is kind of one
Speaker 1: of their specialty. It is one of their specialties. It
Speaker 1: could have been just like a small fringe group. And
Speaker 1: as it turns out, the attack stopped right when there
Speaker 1: was this huge mob or in Japan in like the
Speaker 1: late kind of time period, there was this huge mob
Speaker 1: war that broke out. So you know, ostensibly, if somebody
Speaker 1: were doing a side project of hey, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: attack all of these companies just for fun. You know.
Speaker 1: It kind of reads that whole like we're bad men,
Speaker 1: ha ha ha ha taunting part of the yuck, who's
Speaker 1: a mob? That that person could have been killed or
Speaker 1: it could have, you know, just not been feasible to
Speaker 1: spend the time to do this side project of attacking
Speaker 1: the confectionery producer companies or whatever. So I kind of
Speaker 1: like that theory. I think it's quite interesting. Well, and
Speaker 1: that that actually lends to I don't remember. I was
Speaker 1: listening to some story recently that was dealing with some
Speaker 1: of these guys in Japan in kind of that time
Speaker 1: frame who were trying to be basically bad bikers, and
Speaker 1: they were like, we're bad biker gang. Yeah, we're going
Speaker 1: to do all this stuff. Except it was kind of
Speaker 1: this game of one upmanship. How close could I get
Speaker 1: to the line before I walked away? Before I actually
Speaker 1: crossed that line, And suddenly consequences go on and I
Speaker 1: can't I can't pull back from it, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be a bad guy, and I get
Speaker 1: to this point and then oh this is getting a
Speaker 1: little too real. We put these we put these poisons
Speaker 1: out and they found him and it's getting a little
Speaker 1: too creepy. Okay, we're gonna actually back off because I
Speaker 1: don't actually want to be an outlaw. It might be that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when the somebody finally died, the policeman have committed suicide,
Speaker 1: that might have Yeah, this game is not what it
Speaker 1: was before. It's no longer fun. Now. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this. The so they threatened in the original the
Speaker 1: original extortion attempt was with Glicko, and they threatened to
Speaker 1: put sanide laced bags of candy on the supermarket shells.
Speaker 1: And they pulled all those and they want to them
Speaker 1: they find any that have been laced with poison, not
Speaker 1: as far as I know, So the only one that
Speaker 1: got laced with poison was the second, the second as
Speaker 1: far as I know, and that and that could be
Speaker 1: false information. Um, but they they said, yep, there's stuff
Speaker 1: on the shelves. So Clicko pulled all that stuff. And
Speaker 1: then once they put all their stuff, all their product
Speaker 1: back on the shelves after they had gone through it
Speaker 1: or whatever, the threat came in, Oh yeah, you're putting
Speaker 1: that back on the shelves. Great, because we actually have
Speaker 1: a bunch of that stuff that's been tampered with, that
Speaker 1: we're just going to stick on the shelves too. But
Speaker 1: they never but as far as that they found tampered,
Speaker 1: that's as far as I know, but it's it was
Speaker 1: after they forgave glicko then then that was when they
Speaker 1: found the stuff that's been laced with sodium cyanide, which
Speaker 1: naga Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah. So, I mean some
Speaker 1: of their notes, let's see, one of these ones seem
Speaker 1: to be the loss. So why not let us help you.
Speaker 1: We'll give you a clue. We ended the factory by
Speaker 1: the front gate. Does that mean they are they basically saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we worked the company, Yeah, we worked there. Maybe they
Speaker 1: were a delivery guy or I'm a security guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to tell, right, A million people
Speaker 1: to go in and out of the front gate of
Speaker 1: a factory every day, So that's kind of um. The
Speaker 1: only other little tidbit that I found kind of interesting
Speaker 1: was that, you know, the statue of limitations on the
Speaker 1: kidnapping and the poisoning ran out in two thousands. Actually,
Speaker 1: shortly after that, the Japanese media started saying, oh it
Speaker 1: was North Korea. I mean, yeah, Korea well, I mean
Speaker 1: to be fair, like North Korea is a place that
Speaker 1: like when when found to be tunneling under border with
Speaker 1: South Korea, they just went in and painted all the
Speaker 1: walls of their tunnels black and they were like, no,
Speaker 1: it was Cole. We're looking for Cole. Look see all
Speaker 1: that black stuff. It's yeah. I mean so I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say that this because you don't know what
Speaker 1: coal is, but we know Cole's black stuff on the wall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to say like for that this
Speaker 1: would be involved North Koreans. But I'm also not going
Speaker 1: to say yeah, I was definitely North Korea, because that
Speaker 1: just seems silly and like there they would have really
Speaker 1: nothing to gain from it. What they gain money, I
Speaker 1: mean potentially, But if you're going to launch some kind
Speaker 1: of espionage, whether it be corporate or international, I mean
Speaker 1: that that just opens the gates right there for what
Speaker 1: for anybody? It could have been US, It could have
Speaker 1: been the US government that was screwing with him. It
Speaker 1: could have been you know, the Soviets that were messing
Speaker 1: with me. It could have been you know, um an
Speaker 1: Australian who're trying to make it in Yeah. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: I think competitors. That might be one thing. But I
Speaker 1: mean if you're saying that in terms of countries, I mean,
Speaker 1: but North Korea has North Korea is now it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I mean North Korea is there is unique there as
Speaker 1: actially looney and gangster like. They are the kinds of
Speaker 1: guys who would do this. Australia would never do That's
Speaker 1: the government Australia, you know, it's but this is almost
Speaker 1: would China not do this? China doesn't need to do this.
Speaker 1: Korea is short on cash. Everybody short on cash. Why
Speaker 1: wouldn't Why wouldn't any other Why wouldn't the British do this?
Speaker 1: If they're trying to get in there to sell products
Speaker 1: there for or they have some loony sanction they're they're
Speaker 1: they're pushing for some reason. I mean, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: if we're going to open up the fold to that,
Speaker 1: why folks just on Korea because it could be anybody.
Speaker 1: Because this is so goofy. This sounds like a black
Speaker 1: Ops operation on mushrooms. Well no, I mean essentially, the
Speaker 1: reason I don't think it's Korea, it's like Korea is
Speaker 1: they're uniquely gangstruish and irresponsible. What Korea. What North Korea
Speaker 1: would have done if they'd been behind this is they
Speaker 1: wouldn't have set any nose. They would have poisoned candy,
Speaker 1: killed a bunch of kids, and then after that was
Speaker 1: all over the news, and then they would have like
Speaker 1: the said, hey it's us North Korea. We did it,
Speaker 1: and if you don't want to happen again, you're just
Speaker 1: gonna send a suitcase it's full of golden cash, because
Speaker 1: that's essentially what they do. Now. I just love that
Speaker 1: whole like the idea of like, hey it's us North Korea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we kill a bunch of kids. Yeah that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of stuff that those guys are. Psycho
Speaker 1: the industrious leaders said to do this or whatever they
Speaker 1: call him, We're we're way off track here being super
Speaker 1: offensive at the time. Well, no, it's not super offensive.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying it's not super offensive because they
Speaker 1: don't get podcast. If if we're going to open up
Speaker 1: the door to espionage of any cases, this is just blackmail,
Speaker 1: well corporate apionage, you're a blackmail, then then that opens
Speaker 1: the door to anybody because nobody stood out as a suspect,
Speaker 1: which means everybody could be here. I think we generally
Speaker 1: assume that like corporations, as corrupt as they are, are
Speaker 1: not psychling as can be corporation, Yeah, but are not
Speaker 1: psycho enough to either actually poison a bunch of candy
Speaker 1: or even like say candy. I mean, you know, just
Speaker 1: like the tub of hydrochloric acid itself speaks of something
Speaker 1: actually psycho like that's a pretty psychic you. Um, so
Speaker 1: I there aren't good answers, But so to this day,
Speaker 1: nobody knows who did it. The monsters is yeah, the
Speaker 1: cryptic notes, you know, the monster with faces of Matt Damon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or the phantoms. Sorry, that's a that's a Wilford reference. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So you guys have a favorite theory on this one,
Speaker 1: and there are really theories. Yeah, I think that Joe
Speaker 1: and I have both argued, you know, some of the
Speaker 1: basic theories. I don't know. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: that it's the guys who did the sarin gas. That
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they're uh their can of worms, because
Speaker 1: they seemed pretty fanatical. Yeah, they probably would have just
Speaker 1: poisoned a bunch of kids. It was you know, would
Speaker 1: have been eleven years before, right, it would have been
Speaker 1: the very so that was there. Well, but you would
Speaker 1: think that groups and people who do that kind of
Speaker 1: behavior they have a cyclical build up, So I do
Speaker 1: one small thing to another bigger thing, to another bigger thing.
Speaker 1: But you would think that we would heard of all
Speaker 1: these things, whereas that group the sarin gas was just
Speaker 1: like they just dropped that bomb, no pun intended. They
Speaker 1: didn't work up to it, and you would think that
Speaker 1: in that eleven year period between the two they would
Speaker 1: have done something else. Yeah, I don't think it was.
Speaker 1: There's no reason, No, I don't. I don't know who
Speaker 1: did it, but well, yeah, I think that I would
Speaker 1: it be interesting to find out is how many other
Speaker 1: companies got blackmailed by this whole But I think it
Speaker 1: was probably I think, as far as I can tell,
Speaker 1: it was three or four. Yeah, but I mean, I mean, seriously,
Speaker 1: it could have been a whole lot more, could be
Speaker 1: more then lots loss more as Yeah, so yeah, well
Speaker 1: we'll never know. I don't think it was a Nork's
Speaker 1: but you know, I wouldn't put it past him. You
Speaker 1: know that they're disgusting little gangsters. Yeah, sure, Joe loves
Speaker 1: North Korea. Yeah, so I guess, but yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with let me think, let me think. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Fox side Man. Yeah, there you go it I
Speaker 1: say it was the videotape man. Okay, yeah, can you
Speaker 1: how do you know they're not the same person your
Speaker 1: anime voices? I don't. I don't have an anime voice.
Speaker 1: It was the Fox side Man. It was clearly the
Speaker 1: Fox side Man. Okay, that was good. Can we stop
Speaker 1: now before we just make bigger fools of ourselves? So
Speaker 1: here Yeah. Yeah, so we didn't solve this one. We
Speaker 1: were still suspicious about North Korea. Joe is at least. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: questions discussions. Yeah. I had a very interesting conversation with
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Speaker 1: Why haven't we found them? It doesn't matter anyways. So
Speaker 1: that email address is as always, thinking Sideways podcast at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. So that's it. Um, I guess we're
Speaker 1: gonna monster mash on addie. So if you're you accused
Speaker 1: that police, don't kill us, um, and if you're the Monster,
Speaker 1: of course we want to hear from you. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: about it. I really want some puckey now, Yeah, it's good. Huh.
Speaker 1: Just we just gotta hope that we don't get any
Speaker 1: of the potassium cyanide stuff. No, actually chalky and gross,
Speaker 1: but let's have some anyway. Yeah I do want some candy.
Speaker 1: Yeah Okay, bye, okay to everybody.