WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Monster with 21 Faces

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking sideways. I don't know, you never know. The story

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<v Speaker 1>is of things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone thinking excited was podcast as always. I'm Devin, joined

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<v Speaker 1>by Joe, Steve and Steve and Steve and Steve and

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<v Speaker 1>Joe and Joe and Den you know the trio the Scoobies.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can tell, we're already trying to pad this

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<v Speaker 1>episode up. It's going to be a quick one. We

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<v Speaker 1>I hope. I mean every time we say it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a quick one, it ends up being actually

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<v Speaker 1>like much longer than we think it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>because you guys ramble on endlessly. Listen. Sorry everyone, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's Joe won't stop talking and get shocking. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk a little bit about the monster with

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one faces. It's got a bunch of different like

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<v Speaker 1>a k s. But we're just going to call it

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<v Speaker 1>the monster with twenty one faces. YEA cool, cool cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So our mystery starts mysteriously like, but we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to do a little background first. Have you ever have

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<v Speaker 1>you guys ever had pocky? You know, I never have,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen it one of my favorite snacks actually at work,

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes people are like, hey, we're gonna get pocky and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like for me, and they're like, no to sell,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, ah, but I want to eat it. All.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the worst. So it's um. For those of you

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<v Speaker 1>who don't know what pockey is, google it probably is

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<v Speaker 1>the best way. UM. But it's these like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>biscuit sticks that are dipped in chocolate, the best way

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<v Speaker 1>I can describe them. Sometimes they have sprinkles and other

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<v Speaker 1>little silly or they're dipped in like you know, creamy

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<v Speaker 1>caramel or or strawberry flavors or you know whatever. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a confection in what country? Yeah, Japan and made in Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>Um and the company that makes it is called Isakai

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<v Speaker 1>Glico Leko is how I would say that word? My

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese is not on point, I will be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to be mispronouncing a lot of these words.

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize in advance, and I can't remember how we

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<v Speaker 1>decided we were going to pronounce. This is marian Ghana

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<v Speaker 1>more Naga is another large confectionery producer and Japan, And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not I couldn't tell if they actually export to

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<v Speaker 1>America or not. A lot of their stuff was labeled

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<v Speaker 1>in English, but I couldn't. I would imagine if they're

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<v Speaker 1>putting it in English, they're probably selling it in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can't totally, so I couldn't tell. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been to huge there's huge Asian markets store supermarkets

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<v Speaker 1>here in in our city, and I see a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this stuff there. So I've got to imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably labeled in both for export for those kind

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<v Speaker 1>of situations. Sure, sure, um. And as an other side note, um,

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<v Speaker 1>the monster with twenty one faces has never been identified,

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<v Speaker 1>so for for all we know, it could just be

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<v Speaker 1>one person. Um. But I'm I'm going to go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and just for the purposes of this story, I'm and

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<v Speaker 1>assume that it was more than one person and use

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<v Speaker 1>plural pronouns just to like throw that out. That makes sense, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So here we go, mysterious start every already? All right,

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<v Speaker 1>March eighteenth, night four at nine am, two masked men,

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<v Speaker 1>one armed with a pistol, the other armed with a rifle.

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<v Speaker 1>Enter Cotson, how do you say that? How would you say?

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<v Speaker 1>They tied Ezekai's wife and daughter up. Believing the two

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<v Speaker 1>men were just like regular robbers. Isazekai's wife tried to

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<v Speaker 1>negotiate them for her freedom and her daughter's freedom and

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<v Speaker 1>its change for money, but they said, no, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>what we want. They cut the telephone lines and stormed

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<v Speaker 1>into the bathroom where Eazakai and his other two children

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<v Speaker 1>were hiding. The two men abducted Eazakai only and held

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<v Speaker 1>him captive in a warehouse. And I know I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>mention this before, but Eazakai is of Easakai Glico Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>He is the president of at least he was then.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the dude. He's the owner, the CEO, the grand pa,

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<v Speaker 1>the candy man. He is the candy man. So the

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<v Speaker 1>next morning, the director of Glico was contacted, and the

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<v Speaker 1>people who contacted him, presumably the kidnappers, demanded a ransom

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<v Speaker 1>of one billion yen and a hundred kilograms um. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just over two and twenty pounds for our American listeners

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<v Speaker 1>of gold Bouleon. And let's just go ahead and say,

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<v Speaker 1>I not yeah, you can't make soup out of it, fair, um.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna go ahead and say that, like there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of places around the Internet that say

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<v Speaker 1>it was ten pounds or noms um, but Wikipedia says

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<v Speaker 1>it was a hundred and as we all know, Wikipedia is,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're just going to say it was What the

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<v Speaker 1>hell doesn't matter. Obviously, the director could not act immediately

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<v Speaker 1>because that's a whole mess of everything. He couldn't just

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<v Speaker 1>like in a day produce all those things. So it

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<v Speaker 1>took him a couple of days. She would like to

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<v Speaker 1>have just like hanging out would be awesome, It would

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<v Speaker 1>be pretty awesome. Yeah, the foundation of my house blow away?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, where do you live again? Some other place? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So because it took the director so long, um three

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<v Speaker 1>days later, on the twenty one of March, Isazekai actually escaped.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually it turns out that perhaps he could have

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<v Speaker 1>escaped the whole time because he was literally just sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in a warehouse. Like he wasn't tied up, he was guarded,

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't locked up by any records that anybody can

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<v Speaker 1>kind of. These guys are really terrible at hostage taking. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're really great at hostage holding. Because it took him

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<v Speaker 1>three days to figure out that he wasn't being guarded.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's that's really weird. Yeah, I've got to admit

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<v Speaker 1>that's really weird. We're gonna put you in this room.

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<v Speaker 1>Do not try the door handle. I know it says exit,

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<v Speaker 1>but don't touch that handle. Well, I think most reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>human beings, upon being kidnapped right and threatened with guns

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, probably then like thrown into a warehouse, are

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<v Speaker 1>just going to assume that they're locked, or assume that

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<v Speaker 1>somebody is standing on the other side of the door.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you know, three days, you probably don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to make your captors angry with you. Yeah, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>but well he did. Actually, you know, if I had

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<v Speaker 1>been him, though, you know, I wouldn't have wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>come and said, yeah, yeah, they just left me unguarded.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have said, yeah that was I was tied

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<v Speaker 1>up and as handcuffed, miraculous, and yeah if I found it,

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<v Speaker 1>pin line on the floor and I picked my cuffs

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<v Speaker 1>even though there behind my back. But a tok me

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<v Speaker 1>a while, and then then I had to clock that

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<v Speaker 1>I had to clob or a guard, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>to snatch a weapon from another one and hold them

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<v Speaker 1>a bay while I made a break. Can you remember

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<v Speaker 1>how we were talking about these episodes being really long. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying she should have made up a better story.

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<v Speaker 1>You get kids have to escape, you want to come

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<v Speaker 1>up with a better story than that. Yeah. So, actually

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<v Speaker 1>the kidnappers were not pleased. So a couple of days later,

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<v Speaker 1>on April tenth of the same year, three vehicles were

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<v Speaker 1>set on fire at one of Glico's test facilities. Um

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<v Speaker 1>and shortly after on the sixteenth, so six days later,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a tub plastic tub or I guess kind

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<v Speaker 1>of bucket container full of hydrochloric acid that was accompanied

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<v Speaker 1>by a threatening note quote unquote was attached to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Were left somewhere, it's not totally were it was found

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<v Speaker 1>near a Glico test stility. I want to know, what

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<v Speaker 1>is a test facility for a candy man? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>could think of a munitions company. They have a test

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<v Speaker 1>facility where it's concrete walls, so nothing he blows up,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's candy. Yeah, but you got to test all

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<v Speaker 1>the products. You've got to make sure that it's not toxic.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to make sure that like the sugar contents testing.

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine they probably have it's like, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's any testing anything they've got these laboratories that

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<v Speaker 1>are filled with kids that are like in cages, this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff reping this stuff like you know, massive quantities NonStop,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for you, yet what it does to them,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was like Willy Wonka's test facility. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably it. Yeah, moving on. So anyway, so after that,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened on May tenth, so, like you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>little less than a month later, Glico began receiving letters

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<v Speaker 1>from the Monster with twenty one Faces. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's Japanese and it's can it's a monster with

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<v Speaker 1>one faces is sometimes translated as the missed three Man

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<v Speaker 1>with twenty one faces or the Phantom with twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>faces in that name. They didn't just make that up.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it from a comic or some series. It's from

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<v Speaker 1>a non or from a fiction novel, um. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's like the way I would compare it is

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<v Speaker 1>that like if somebody in America had picked a villain

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<v Speaker 1>from a Stephen King novel and decided to take that.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like some huge Japanese mythology that everybody would

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<v Speaker 1>be like saying, and this letter is signed by the

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy Knockers. Yeah, I don't know who. The Tommy Knockers are. Pokemon, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. Tommy Knockers are a Stephen King novel

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<v Speaker 1>about a group of really creepy aliens. See, apparently that

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<v Speaker 1>works out great. They're green, they're mean, they have a spaceship.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's keep going. Read that one. You totally read that one.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about the Tommy Knockers because you know what. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're way off topic. Keep going, please have it. So

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the letter, the monster with twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>faces claimed to have laced certain Glicko products with potassium cyanide.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not it's not great. I just like for the

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<v Speaker 1>general knowledge of everybody listening, in case you don't know, cyanide.

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<v Speaker 1>Both potassium and sodium cyanide essentially render your body unable

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<v Speaker 1>to use the oxygen in your blood. It kills you.

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<v Speaker 1>It kills you pretty quickly. You suffocate quite quickly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's tasteless and odorless and dissolves just like sugar does.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, Glicko, being at least a mildly decent company,

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<v Speaker 1>pull literally all of their product off of the shelves. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>This resulted in a twenty one million dollar or yen

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<v Speaker 1>I can't, I don't know, really lost and a layoff

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<v Speaker 1>of about a hundred four and fifty workers, right because

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<v Speaker 1>they lost so much money, they couldn't afford to pay

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<v Speaker 1>their people to keep working. And they were all part

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<v Speaker 1>time people. I think, yeah, they were all part time people.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, you know, it does best

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<v Speaker 1>five part time people. I don't think that makes it

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<v Speaker 1>any less bad. They probably got hired back. I mean, essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you pull your products off the shelves,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna immediately restocked them. Probably you're gonna you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna suspend production for a little bit un till you

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what's going on. And so they probably got

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<v Speaker 1>hired back. Maybe UM the Monster with twenty one faces

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<v Speaker 1>at about the same time wrote a letter UM threatening

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<v Speaker 1>to say that they had more of that tampered product.

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<v Speaker 1>They had purchased a bunch or however, procured a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of the tampered with products, and that they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to place it back on the shelves once Glicko restocked

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<v Speaker 1>the shelves. They also sent a letter to the media.

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<v Speaker 1>The letters to the media were handwritten and in a

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<v Speaker 1>very distinct Osaka dialect, which was different than all of

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<v Speaker 1>the letters that Glicko had been receiving. They were all

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<v Speaker 1>typewritten on a typewriter. Here's some of the examples of

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<v Speaker 1>what we're on the latters. Yeah, they're they're really kind,

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<v Speaker 1>they're really beau of full dear dumb police officers. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>tell a lie. All crimes begin with a lie, as

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<v Speaker 1>we say in Japan. Don't you know that? Other letters

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<v Speaker 1>were written two police stations that kind of related similar messages. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>This one that is often quoted says, why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>keep it to yourself? You seem to be at a loss,

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<v Speaker 1>so why not let us help you. We'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>a clue. We entered the factory by the front gate.

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<v Speaker 1>The typewriter we used was a pan writer. The plastic

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<v Speaker 1>container we used was a piece of street garbage, monster

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<v Speaker 1>with twenty one faces, basically taunting. Oh yeah, here's here's

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<v Speaker 1>here's how we did part of it. Don't worry about

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<v Speaker 1>finding that out now, try and find us. So and

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<v Speaker 1>it might have been more than taunting. You might have

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it could be somebody who actually is having

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<v Speaker 1>a little fun with them because they're so close to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually working for the company whatever. They're basically telling the truth,

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<v Speaker 1>not just taunting them, but actually giving them, giving them

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<v Speaker 1>big old clues. Yeah, that turns out the monster eventually

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<v Speaker 1>got bored with their extortion of Clicko because they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>getting anything. And so that was kind of where I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to go. But keep keep going. But so

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<v Speaker 1>on June of the same year, so like within the

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<v Speaker 1>span of just a couple of months, um, they released

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<v Speaker 1>a media statement that said we forgive Glico exclamation point

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<v Speaker 1>and turned their attentions elsewhere. And as a side note,

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<v Speaker 1>the deeper we at this point really, I mean we've

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<v Speaker 1>read a couple of the letters getting the sense of

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<v Speaker 1>the monster with twenty one faces. The deeper we get

0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:34.360
<v Speaker 1>into this story, the less believable it becomes. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of like discussing the story with some

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<v Speaker 1>people and they were like, Wow, the monster with faces

0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.080
<v Speaker 1>sounds like it's a five year old. Like some of

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<v Speaker 1>the letters that are written to the police, especially as

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<v Speaker 1>we continue on, sound like it's like a five year

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<v Speaker 1>old or you know, like a teenager that's like, oh,

0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I see this in the movies. That will be perfect. Yeah. Well,

0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and and and the thing is is they say we

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<v Speaker 1>forgive Glico. That to me indicates that Glicko got some

0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.000
<v Speaker 1>letters that they didn't spill the beans on and paid

0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:11.120
<v Speaker 1>out saying stop screwing with us, stop messing with us,

0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.040
<v Speaker 1>and we'll pay you money as possible. I actually I

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<v Speaker 1>suspect that Glicko Iseka, the president of the company, was

0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.280
<v Speaker 1>probably behind this whole thing so used to it's just kidnapping,

0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.280
<v Speaker 1>and he arranged for all the notes everything, because this

0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.360
<v Speaker 1>gave him a great way after you know, after you

0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.760
<v Speaker 1>got the forgiveness letter, then he can go harass all

0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.640
<v Speaker 1>his competitors and cost them huge amounts of money and

0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.520
<v Speaker 1>also extort lots of lots of money from them fair.

0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.640
<v Speaker 1>So I also want to go ahead and mention another

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<v Speaker 1>thing that happened quickly before we move on. A surveillance

0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:47.120
<v Speaker 1>video caught a man wearing a Giants baseball cap. Giants

0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:51.080
<v Speaker 1>the baseball team, not a Giant baseball cap. No Giants

0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.360
<v Speaker 1>is in the baseball team from America. He was wearing that,

0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:58.560
<v Speaker 1>and they caught him placing Glico candies onto shelves of

0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.320
<v Speaker 1>a supermarket. And the I said that letter had threatened

0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.800
<v Speaker 1>to do call him. The video tape man. Right, do again,

0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:09.640
<v Speaker 1>it's this whole like, the whole story just sounds like

0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:13.000
<v Speaker 1>a bad anime or something. Right, It's like, oh, you know,

0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.360
<v Speaker 1>as we go into this more right. The suspects are

0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.960
<v Speaker 1>the video tape man, the Fox side man, Yugio. I

0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.240
<v Speaker 1>saw the video tape man down the street. Let's go

0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.680
<v Speaker 1>get him. It does a little bit sound that way,

0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the video the video tape man. The first thing I

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<v Speaker 1>thought of was I thought about those times when you

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<v Speaker 1>go to the store and you pick up something. It's like, oh,

0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I guess I'll indulge myself, you bag of candy or whatever,

0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.160
<v Speaker 1>and then the other on you think maybe not, you

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<v Speaker 1>go back and you put it back on the shelf.

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<v Speaker 1>Could have been well, it was my understanding that he

0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.120
<v Speaker 1>was putting like a fair amount back on. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like just a bag or two that it like he

0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.320
<v Speaker 1>was pulling it out of his pocket, not out of

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<v Speaker 1>his basket. I didn't see the video. I haven't seen

0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:57.160
<v Speaker 1>the video. The video we only see stills. Yeah, and

0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I guess the footage was released at one point. But again,

0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.560
<v Speaker 1>this is you know, the eighties, so it's not like

0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:08.040
<v Speaker 1>we have the internet to like, yeah, yeah, so in

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<v Speaker 1>October of the same year, UM the media of Osaka

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<v Speaker 1>received a letter addressed to the moms of the nation,

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<v Speaker 1>which was of course from the Monster with twenty one faces.

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<v Speaker 1>This time it claimed to have laced twenty packages of

0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:33.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I've forgotten how Rinaga chocolates with sodium

0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:38.200
<v Speaker 1>cyanide instead of you know, they do the same thing. Okay,

0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.520
<v Speaker 1>they're just as bad. They're both, they're both awful. After

0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:49.880
<v Speaker 1>receiving this letter, the police search stores in cities of Tokyo. Yeah,

0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:53.160
<v Speaker 1>in that kind of in the Osaka, a western Japan

0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.200
<v Speaker 1>area basically well, and you know Japan is like five

0:16:56.280 --> 0:17:00.440
<v Speaker 1>or six different islands, but right on the yeah, anyway, um,

0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.720
<v Speaker 1>and they found over a dozen of lethal packages of

0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:08.159
<v Speaker 1>cocoa balls and angel pies before anyone was poison and

0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:12.520
<v Speaker 1>these packages had actually been like relabeled like stickers Edmond

0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:16.360
<v Speaker 1>put on them to say like danger contains toxins or

0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.359
<v Speaker 1>something similar, which is really you're not trying to hide

0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.280
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing. At that point, if we think about

0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:27.199
<v Speaker 1>things that people have done, remember was it the the

0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:31.800
<v Speaker 1>aspirin scare Thailand all scared they were saying they they

0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.360
<v Speaker 1>they injected it into the mix, and so you couldn't

0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.760
<v Speaker 1>tell which ones. But this is this is very open

0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:43.280
<v Speaker 1>and in your face, whereas the Thailand all scare was

0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:48.800
<v Speaker 1>very insidious because you did not know. Yeah. Actually actually

0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.680
<v Speaker 1>the time all thing was just somebody trying to murder

0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.080
<v Speaker 1>his wife. He went back and put some on the

0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.800
<v Speaker 1>shelves in the store, just right. I know. But I'm

0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.920
<v Speaker 1>just saying, it's like, you can't yeah, you can't tell.

0:17:58.000 --> 0:17:59.320
<v Speaker 1>I know, It's like and I think, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>this would continue, they might have eventually started putting them

0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.080
<v Speaker 1>on the shelves without putting labels on them. Well, and

0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.480
<v Speaker 1>that was my impression of like the Pockey for instance,

0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.160
<v Speaker 1>was that it had been part of the mix. They didn't,

0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:13.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, say, oh we tampered with twenty of these boxes.

0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:14.879
<v Speaker 1>It was just kind of like a bunch of your

0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.520
<v Speaker 1>stuff is bad. Uh. So they actually continued to search

0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.480
<v Speaker 1>for them, and more tampered confections were found in February

0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:26.680
<v Speaker 1>of nine, five the year later, which meant that they

0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.800
<v Speaker 1>found twenty one um of these products about a four

0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:35.480
<v Speaker 1>or five month period, which again twenty one monster with

0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.520
<v Speaker 1>one face. Whatever, It's fine, No, I see the correlation.

0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:44.760
<v Speaker 1>There's very sneaky somehow, and it's it's really not important

0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:49.240
<v Speaker 1>how because why would it be important. How a deal

0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:51.960
<v Speaker 1>was made with a monster with twenty one faces with

0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:59.040
<v Speaker 1>a certain other confectionery producer, and basically the monster with

0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:03.080
<v Speaker 1>faces would stopped grassing them for five million yen and

0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the arrangement, I'm sorry, fifty million, adding zeros all over

0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.680
<v Speaker 1>the place. It's fine. That's why the show is doing

0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.760
<v Speaker 1>so well. It's I keep adding zeros to our numbers.

0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:17.280
<v Speaker 1>It's fine. So the arrangement was made that an employee

0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:21.720
<v Speaker 1>of this company would toss the ransom money, like in

0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:26.600
<v Speaker 1>a briefcase or whatever, huge bag that would contain fifty

0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.520
<v Speaker 1>million in Actually don't know how much that would weigh

0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:31.840
<v Speaker 1>or how big it would be. Yeah, you'd have to

0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:36.720
<v Speaker 1>put it in yen notes. Yeah, well the end notes

0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:40.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of coming big denominating. Yeah. Yeah, so I guess

0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:43.160
<v Speaker 1>it was like a suitcase or something. So he would

0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:48.680
<v Speaker 1>throw it onto a local train heading towards Kyoto. When

0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:54.000
<v Speaker 1>a white flag was displayed from a certain location, it's

0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.439
<v Speaker 1>it's again. It sounds kind of like a teenager being like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh I see this in the movies. Yeah, So an investigator,

0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:04.240
<v Speaker 1>a police investigator that was disguised as an employee of

0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:07.920
<v Speaker 1>this company, was following the drop instructions instead of actually

0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.480
<v Speaker 1>sending an actual employee. What makes sense again, it does?

0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.320
<v Speaker 1>It does sound just like it's a movie, but fine, whatever.

0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.919
<v Speaker 1>And he was following the instructions and he spotted a

0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:21.359
<v Speaker 1>suspicious man who he said was observing him when he

0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.240
<v Speaker 1>was writing the train to the drop spot. The man

0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:28.320
<v Speaker 1>was described as a large, well bit, well built man

0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:32.840
<v Speaker 1>wearing sunglasses, with his hair cut short and permed, and

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<v Speaker 1>quote eyes like those of a fox unquote. I was

0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.359
<v Speaker 1>able to see his eyes. I think I was wearing sunglass. Listen,

0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:45.919
<v Speaker 1>the how is not important with so much of this story,

0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:52.240
<v Speaker 1>the how was just not important. Sunglasses, right exactly. I mean,

0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you know it comes back to a little bit like

0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.600
<v Speaker 1>earlier right where we say, well a deal was struck,

0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.720
<v Speaker 1>but like nobody had an address for the monster with

0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:03.959
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not like they could be like corresponding

0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.760
<v Speaker 1>via letters. And at this point, you know it's you

0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.320
<v Speaker 1>couldn't do encrypted email, so it wasn't like an anonymous

0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:14.000
<v Speaker 1>email address or like an anonymous phone number, I assume. Anyways,

0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.840
<v Speaker 1>as I said, the how is not important, Okay, so

0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:21.639
<v Speaker 1>this is the fox Side Man. He's it's the videotaped

0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:23.639
<v Speaker 1>man and the fox side Man or the two people

0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:27.440
<v Speaker 1>who are kind of referred to as suspects. Yeah, these

0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:31.399
<v Speaker 1>are are two main characters we know. Okay, now the

0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:33.800
<v Speaker 1>fox side Man on the train too, you know, isn't

0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:36.680
<v Speaker 1>it true that he um, he was sitting there staring

0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:38.440
<v Speaker 1>at this cop the whole way, which is, by the way,

0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:41.000
<v Speaker 1>not good trade craft. And then and then they get

0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.239
<v Speaker 1>to Kyoto I think, then they both get off at

0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:47.399
<v Speaker 1>the station, and then the the policeman eventually gets on

0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.440
<v Speaker 1>the train going back to Osaka or wherever they were from,

0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and this guy hits on the train with him. I mean,

0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.880
<v Speaker 1>why at that point didn't the policeman arrest him. Well,

0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.080
<v Speaker 1>that he was still undercover, I guess. But there was

0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.960
<v Speaker 1>another investigator he had somehow communicated with the rest of

0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.000
<v Speaker 1>his team and he said, Hey, there's this dude who's

0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:07.680
<v Speaker 1>the Fox Sided Man, and he's following me. So other

0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:11.560
<v Speaker 1>investigators were assigned to follow the fox Side Man, and

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.840
<v Speaker 1>he evaded them because of course he did. Yeah, it's

0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:19.600
<v Speaker 1>it's this weird skullduggery. Oh, there's a guy who is

0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:23.800
<v Speaker 1>wearing sunglasses and staring at me. I've been on the

0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:27.280
<v Speaker 1>train and I've been looking at somebody. Everybody is that

0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:30.640
<v Speaker 1>guy staring at me? And then half an hour later

0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I realized that guy is actually asleep. He's just sitting there,

0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:40.320
<v Speaker 1>spacing out, not paying attention. And then goes, oh man,

0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.040
<v Speaker 1>I missed my stop. I gotta go back. I gotta

0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:46.240
<v Speaker 1>go back to stop. Oh man. Yeah, so this is

0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.920
<v Speaker 1>simplifying the heck out of this. But no, I mean

0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.600
<v Speaker 1>it's it's that's fair. Um, so police actually got so

0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:54.920
<v Speaker 1>they lost him that first time, right, but they got

0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:58.520
<v Speaker 1>a second chance at the fox side man November of

0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:03.680
<v Speaker 1>eighty five, UM investigators were on their way to make

0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.840
<v Speaker 1>a drop of more ransom money. Again, the how is

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.200
<v Speaker 1>just not important? Um when they saw the fox eyed

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:14.240
<v Speaker 1>man wearing a golf cap and dark glasses, always a

0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:17.840
<v Speaker 1>dark glass. I'm not totally sure what it is. Isn't

0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.320
<v Speaker 1>that like what Tiger Woods wears. That's a base that's

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:24.399
<v Speaker 1>a baseball golf cap, like one of those sports caps,

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.920
<v Speaker 1>like that's got the beret with a little bill. Yeah, yeah,

0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 1>that's basically cap is an Irish golf course. In my mind,

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:36.200
<v Speaker 1>that's true too, Okay, um. So there was a cash

0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:40.399
<v Speaker 1>delivery van that the investigators were tailing that continues to

0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.400
<v Speaker 1>head towards the drop point where they were they were

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:48.760
<v Speaker 1>meant to drop the money inside a cam under a

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:53.040
<v Speaker 1>piece of cloth. So again, like the spatial reasoning of

0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:56.199
<v Speaker 1>this is not super clear in my mind, but find whatever.

0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.040
<v Speaker 1>When the delivery van reached the drop point, there was

0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:02.240
<v Speaker 1>a white cloth sitting on the ground, but no can

0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:04.919
<v Speaker 1>as an As a result, the investigative team was, of

0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:09.200
<v Speaker 1>course in order to withdraw, they boarded the whole thing. Yeah,

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:11.919
<v Speaker 1>they did, and they thought, oh, well, it's clearly just

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.960
<v Speaker 1>the fox side man trying to evaluate the police response

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>watching he was watching us. Well. Actually, as it turns out,

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:23.480
<v Speaker 1>like an hour before this botch drop, a local patrol

0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 1>car had spotted a station wagon that had its engine

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:30.080
<v Speaker 1>running and its headlights off and it was sitting like

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 1>fifty meters away from a white cloth um that was

0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:37.439
<v Speaker 1>suspended from a fence. So, being a responsible officer of

0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the law, office, officer of the law, officer of the law,

0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:45.440
<v Speaker 1>he drove up to the station wagon and show, like,

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, flash flashlight in in there. Uh, And he

0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 1>revealed a quote, thin cheeked man in his forties, wearing

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:55.119
<v Speaker 1>a golf cap over his eyes and more telling, a

0:24:55.200 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 1>wireless receiver with headphones. Yeah, I guess so. So Prized

0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.119
<v Speaker 1>by the policeman, the driver sped off, with the police

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 1>car following in pursuit until the station wagon lost him.

0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I can I have never seen a high speed chase

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 1>with the station only in Japan. Grandpa and his station

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 1>wagon outran the police. Yeah, the patty wagon, right, you

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 1>would like to do in the movies. Now, you just

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 1>have to have accomplices and other cars who rolled away.

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:27.440
<v Speaker 1>And so the station wagon, it turns out, was later

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:30.360
<v Speaker 1>found abandoned and it was discovered that it had been

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:33.879
<v Speaker 1>stolen earlier in that night. UM. Inside the car was

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 1>a radio transceiver UM that had apparently been eavesdropping on

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:45.160
<v Speaker 1>radio communications between police officers from six different prefectures, including Osaka, Kyoto,

0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 1>and Kobe, which were the prefectures where the drop point.

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.960
<v Speaker 1>And to be clear, a prefecture not everybody knows that

0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 1>had its The prefect is basically kind of a county.

0:25:57.119 --> 0:25:59.680
<v Speaker 1>It's an easy way to think of it. Exactly, so

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:02.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot why would they leave their transceiver in the car? Well,

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean you're running right, I mean you go quickly. Yeah,

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's it's you know, you're you're leaving everything behind,

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.920
<v Speaker 1>So I just gotta get out of here. But he

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 1>shook his tail. Yeah, fox sided man got away again.

0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:19.919
<v Speaker 1>Damn once again, once again a rascal. I cannot I

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:25.480
<v Speaker 1>cannot emphasize enough. How like improbable And we're about to

0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:28.639
<v Speaker 1>get a little more improbable. Yeah. So in August of

0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 1>the police superintendent of she goat prefectures that how you

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:38.159
<v Speaker 1>would say that? Yeah? And the only name he was

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:42.159
<v Speaker 1>given was Yamamoto um And he committed suicide by setting

0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 1>himself on fire, not the way I would do it,

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:47.280
<v Speaker 1>not the way I would know. No, that's that's a

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 1>bad way to go. Yeah, and it was speculated. I'm

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure it was speculation. I don't think he like

0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:55.680
<v Speaker 1>left a note or like told anybody. My my impression

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 1>is that it was speculated that it was because he

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:02.159
<v Speaker 1>was unable to solve the mystery of who the monster

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>with one faces was. It's kind of like taking your

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:07.360
<v Speaker 1>job a little too seriously. That's but that's actually that's

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>actually very um that's very indicative of Japanese culture. Everything

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:17.640
<v Speaker 1>is personal. It is my fault that I can't solve this,

0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:21.479
<v Speaker 1>and in a way, in Japanese culture, it's your fault

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 1>that some of these things happened, Like you take on

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:28.159
<v Speaker 1>a certain level of responsibility and guilt for lack of

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 1>a better term for why these things are going on.

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 1>That's that's a bit of the way their culture works.

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 1>So I can see it. I don't understand it, but

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:40.199
<v Speaker 1>I know that that's how some of that works. Yeah. So,

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 1>just a couple of days after Yamamoto's suicide, the monster

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:47.359
<v Speaker 1>with twenty one faces sent what we would end up

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 1>being the final message to the media. They sent it

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 1>to the media, and I'm gonna read it, and I

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 1>super apologize if I end up sounding like a bad

0:27:55.720 --> 0:28:00.879
<v Speaker 1>anime character. All right, sailor mean, let's I'll read it.

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Yamamoto of Shiga Prefecture police died. How stupid of him.

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 1>We've got no friends or secret hidings in Shiga. It's

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:15.439
<v Speaker 1>Yoshito or Shagita. Yeah, it's Yoshina or Shikita who should

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 1>have died. What have they been doing for as long

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:22.160
<v Speaker 1>as one year and five months. Don't let bad guys

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:24.440
<v Speaker 1>like us get away with it. There are many more

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:27.359
<v Speaker 1>fools who want to copy us. No career. Yamamoto died

0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 1>like a man, so we decided to give our condolences.

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 1>We decided to forget about torturing food making companies. If

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>anyone blackmails any of the food making companies, it's not us,

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>but somebody copying us. We are bad guys. That means

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>that we've got more to do other than bullying companies.

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>It's fun to lead a bad man's life. Monster. What's

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 1>twenty one faces? Have you guys watched ax Cop? Ever?

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 1>That just sounds like ax copy and co reference. Ax

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 1>cop is written by a five year old you? Yeah,

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I've heard about five and that was that? Is that

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>an animated thing? Or is Yeah, it's kind of a

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 1>folk comics series, like it's not a comic strip though,

0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 1>or it's like a comic book, or it's it's a

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 1>it's not on the internet only I believe that it's

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 1>it's totally bogus. It's totally I remember, I remember we

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 1>looked at we looked at some of the some of

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 1>the stuff, and it's like this, this guy's kid is

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 1>like his little brother. Yeah, that's hilarious, so ax cop.

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 1>But that's exactly what that sounds like to me. It's

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 1>like a five year old writing a letter from bad guys. Right, yeah,

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 1>it does, you know, and I know that we're we're

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 1>done with the story at this point, right pretty much?

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's pretty much it. Yeah, it's pretty much. Okay.

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 1>So here's here's my one thing about the story that

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 1>really bothers me is I've done some reading on the

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Japanese police and their justice system, and I'm not and

0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the stories that I've read focus on Tokyo, But I mean,

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 1>this is kind of deal with the entire system as

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>a whole. They always had, up until about the turn

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>of this century, they had an amazing record for solving crimes.

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Do you know why they had an amazing record for

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>solving crimes? Because they cherry picked what they were going

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 1>to solve. In other words, if you came up and said,

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, my brother disappeared, Oh, well, your brother

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 1>is probably a drug user, so we don't care. And

0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 1>then my brother was found dead in an alley two

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 1>days later, Well, your brother was obviously a drug user,

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>so we don't have to investigate that he overdosed. It's

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>his fault. Like they have this weird mentality of if

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.920
<v Speaker 1>it's not an obvious answer, then we're not going to

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>investigate it. Therefore, our numbers look really good. They also

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 1>have this weird thing where they will only take on

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 1>cases where they think they can get the culprit, and

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>their entire judicial system in terms of prosecution at that

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>time hinges upon a confession. So if I get somebody

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 1>in the box, as they would say, so I get

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 1>him in the room to confess to to interrogate them.

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 1>They will interrogate somebody until they finally confess, and if

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 1>somebody doesn't confess, they don't get it. There's been cases

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 1>where people are like, I'm not going to confess to

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 1>this crime. I didn't do the crime, and they don't

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>understand it because it's sort of that cultural thing like

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:36.479
<v Speaker 1>you're actually partially responsible even if you're not involved. So

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>your brother, let's say, is drug user, Well that's actually

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of your fault, so you should kind of take

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:47.080
<v Speaker 1>some culpability for that. So they have this weird cultural

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 1>bias where they will only go after certain things. And

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 1>because of that, I'm not going to say that they're inept,

0:31:56.040 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 1>but they're very slow footed and they're not quick on

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 1>the draw. They're not creative, and how they'll look at problems.

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 1>So I know that what they probably did, if this

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>is in my mind, like let's say, uh, Glico, that's

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>the first one, right, is a Kaiah. They probably looked

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 1>at him and they put him in the box and

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 1>they said, Okay, what did you do? What did you do?

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>That your fault that you got abducted and why did

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:26.720
<v Speaker 1>you what did you do wrong? And you should take

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 1>some responsibility. And now they run this weird circular logic

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 1>process and they I mean, this is very condensed. This

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 1>is a very condensed issue with their their investigative process,

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>but they do some really weird things and they cannot

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 1>think outside of an extremely small box, which is what

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of problems with a case that

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>took a year and a half and they had lead none,

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean other than finding blatantly labeled candies on a

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 1>shelf and a videotape and the supposed fox eyed man.

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.479
<v Speaker 1>There wasn't anything they found because they didn't theydn't they

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't cast a net that we know of. So actually

0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>that's a very interesting thing that you would say, Um,

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 1>there actually are a couple theories from people around you know, again,

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 1>they're maybe not like the most substantiated theories, but they

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 1>are very interesting. Um oh yeah, no, I I like

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 1>the theories. But I just I want to put that

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>out to people that I think that maybe they didn't

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 1>really pursue this as a solid case because they didn't

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:44.960
<v Speaker 1>want to. They pursued it because they had to. It's

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 1>got a lot of publicity. Yeah, so it's not an

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 1>easy to solve case. So crap work on Monday. They

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't have anything to go on, right, And I mean truly,

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.440
<v Speaker 1>like the monster with one one faces for like how

0:33:57.520 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>horrible they were. They knew how to work the police system.

0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:02.600
<v Speaker 1>They knew that the police weren't going to investigated if

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 1>they weren't sending things to the media, if they weren't

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.239
<v Speaker 1>doing something super public. And that's yeah, I think that's

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 1>a good point, is that they wouldn't do anything that

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>they knew they couldn't work around. I mean, obviously they

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 1>were playing for fools. I mean, look at the typewriter

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 1>I use, and they were and you know, they like,

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>look at how dumb you are, Like, oh, we're bad men.

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Don't let us get away with it. Ha ha ha. Yeah, absolutely,

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>but they're so bad, So like here's a quotement. I know,

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 1>we decided to forget about torturing food making companies. Um,

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 1>we are bad guys. Yeah, Why I decided to forget

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 1>about torturing food making companies? They get paid off, every

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 1>single one of them. So actually I think they did.

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I think. So there's a couple theories here. All right,

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 1>well let's let's my my, my tirade is done. Yeah,

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 1>there aren't. They're on a whole lot of them. One

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:56.480
<v Speaker 1>of them is do you know do you guys know um?

0:34:56.600 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Um yeah, Srikyo? Yeah, do you know? I know who

0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>they are? Yes, yes, So I can't pronounce it, but

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I knew who they are. Yeah. A cult, really truly

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:13.320
<v Speaker 1>a cult that carried out what I think has been

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 1>dubbed the most horrific attack in Japan since the World

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 1>War two world was dropped bomb, Yeah, basically, and it

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 1>was Saren gas attacks in the chimneys subway freaking terrible.

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 1>It's terrible. So Saren essentially kills you within one to

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>five minutes of you. Yeah, it just it just paralyzes

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:41.680
<v Speaker 1>your lungs. Yeah. Yeah, So what happened was it was

0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 1>these kind of like religious nuts who were part of

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 1>this cult defended. Yeah, they were fanatics, and they tried

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:54.320
<v Speaker 1>to do this attack. It ended up being kind of botched,

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 1>which was good. I ended up being much better than

0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 1>it could have been. I think it only killed it

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 1>only killed like twin people, I think, and it could

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>have been a much It seriously injured it like temporarily

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 1>blinded a hundred people or something like that, you know,

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 1>and like many, many, many many people. Yeah. So they

0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>just like put buckets of this stuff next to subways

0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 1>as they were going by. You know. They could have

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>been really really terrifying and gotten on subway cars and

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.360
<v Speaker 1>goodness stuff up and they would have killed thousands of

0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 1>people probably. That was so. Actually, it turns out that

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 1>this cult was founded in four which is the same

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 1>year that the Monster with twenty one Faces attack started happening.

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:41.359
<v Speaker 1>The cult is Shinko, right, Okay, And that's a whole

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 1>different If you're interested in that, google it. It's a

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:49.280
<v Speaker 1>story in and of itself. Yeah, there's a lot there,

0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:52.239
<v Speaker 1>but there is that theory circulating around. One of the

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:54.880
<v Speaker 1>other theories is that the Fox Side Man was actually

0:36:55.320 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 1>a famed yakuza member named Manibu me me as Hockey.

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 1>His alibis apparently checked out. It doesn't ever say what

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 1>his albis were. Um, and I'm not sure that the

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:11.760
<v Speaker 1>police in that time period wouldn't necessarily like super pressure

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 1>a member of the yakuza. Well and and again, do

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 1>you remember my complaint about the Japanese police system is

0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 1>that the stories that i've i've dealt, I've read in

0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:26.239
<v Speaker 1>that have been deep investigative stories is that I say, no,

0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I was on holiday at this place, and they go, oh, okay,

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:35.359
<v Speaker 1>thank you very much, and they never double check. They

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:38.879
<v Speaker 1>never double checked people's alibis, just oh, no, I said

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:40.719
<v Speaker 1>I was here. Oh, well, of course you wouldn't lie

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>to the police. Why would you lie to the police. Yeah. So, actually, um,

0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I think the yu Kusa theory is it's pretty popular,

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 1>and I kind of like it is kind of one

0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:53.279
<v Speaker 1>of their specialty. It is one of their specialties. It

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:55.799
<v Speaker 1>could have been just like a small fringe group. And

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 1>as it turns out, the attack stopped right when there

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 1>was this huge mob or in Japan in like the

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:07.799
<v Speaker 1>late kind of time period, there was this huge mob

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 1>war that broke out. So you know, ostensibly, if somebody

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>were doing a side project of hey, we're gonna go

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 1>attack all of these companies just for fun. You know.

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:19.000
<v Speaker 1>It kind of reads that whole like we're bad men,

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:23.280
<v Speaker 1>ha ha ha ha taunting part of the yuck, who's

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 1>a mob? That that person could have been killed or

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.400
<v Speaker 1>it could have, you know, just not been feasible to

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:32.120
<v Speaker 1>spend the time to do this side project of attacking

0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 1>the confectionery producer companies or whatever. So I kind of

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:38.399
<v Speaker 1>like that theory. I think it's quite interesting. Well, and

0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 1>that that actually lends to I don't remember. I was

0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:46.400
<v Speaker 1>listening to some story recently that was dealing with some

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 1>of these guys in Japan in kind of that time

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 1>frame who were trying to be basically bad bikers, and

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 1>they were like, we're bad biker gang. Yeah, we're going

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:01.719
<v Speaker 1>to do all this stuff. Except it was kind of

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 1>this game of one upmanship. How close could I get

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 1>to the line before I walked away? Before I actually

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 1>crossed that line, And suddenly consequences go on and I

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:16.719
<v Speaker 1>can't I can't pull back from it, you know, I'm

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:20.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to be a bad guy, and I get

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 1>to this point and then oh this is getting a

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:26.960
<v Speaker 1>little too real. We put these we put these poisons

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:30.280
<v Speaker 1>out and they found him and it's getting a little

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 1>too creepy. Okay, we're gonna actually back off because I

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 1>don't actually want to be an outlaw. It might be that, Yeah,

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:39.759
<v Speaker 1>when the somebody finally died, the policeman have committed suicide,

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 1>that might have Yeah, this game is not what it

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:46.200
<v Speaker 1>was before. It's no longer fun. Now. Let me ask

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 1>you this. The so they threatened in the original the

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 1>original extortion attempt was with Glicko, and they threatened to

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 1>put sanide laced bags of candy on the supermarket shells.

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 1>And they pulled all those and they want to them

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.560
<v Speaker 1>they find any that have been laced with poison, not

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 1>as far as I know, So the only one that

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 1>got laced with poison was the second, the second as

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:08.759
<v Speaker 1>far as I know, and that and that could be

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:13.840
<v Speaker 1>false information. Um, but they they said, yep, there's stuff

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:17.879
<v Speaker 1>on the shelves. So Clicko pulled all that stuff. And

0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:20.800
<v Speaker 1>then once they put all their stuff, all their product

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 1>back on the shelves after they had gone through it

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:27.000
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, the threat came in, Oh yeah, you're putting

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:28.799
<v Speaker 1>that back on the shelves. Great, because we actually have

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:30.759
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of that stuff that's been tampered with, that

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.359
<v Speaker 1>we're just going to stick on the shelves too. But

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 1>they never but as far as that they found tampered,

0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 1>that's as far as I know, but it's it was

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 1>after they forgave glicko then then that was when they

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 1>found the stuff that's been laced with sodium cyanide, which

0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:49.360
<v Speaker 1>naga Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah. So, I mean some

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 1>of their notes, let's see, one of these ones seem

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:53.920
<v Speaker 1>to be the loss. So why not let us help you.

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 1>We'll give you a clue. We ended the factory by

0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:59.479
<v Speaker 1>the front gate. Does that mean they are they basically saying, hey,

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 1>we worked the company, Yeah, we worked there. Maybe they

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:07.840
<v Speaker 1>were a delivery guy or I'm a security guard. Yeah,

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:10.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's hard to tell, right, A million people

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:11.799
<v Speaker 1>to go in and out of the front gate of

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 1>a factory every day, So that's kind of um. The

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:19.360
<v Speaker 1>only other little tidbit that I found kind of interesting

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:21.319
<v Speaker 1>was that, you know, the statue of limitations on the

0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:24.920
<v Speaker 1>kidnapping and the poisoning ran out in two thousands. Actually,

0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 1>shortly after that, the Japanese media started saying, oh it

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 1>was North Korea. I mean, yeah, Korea well, I mean

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:38.759
<v Speaker 1>to be fair, like North Korea is a place that

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 1>like when when found to be tunneling under border with

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 1>South Korea, they just went in and painted all the

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:47.719
<v Speaker 1>walls of their tunnels black and they were like, no,

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:50.279
<v Speaker 1>it was Cole. We're looking for Cole. Look see all

0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:53.520
<v Speaker 1>that black stuff. It's yeah. I mean so I'm not

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:55.319
<v Speaker 1>going to say that this because you don't know what

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:59.839
<v Speaker 1>coal is, but we know Cole's black stuff on the wall. Yeah,

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not going to say like for that this

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:07.000
<v Speaker 1>would be involved North Koreans. But I'm also not going

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.840
<v Speaker 1>to say yeah, I was definitely North Korea, because that

0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.279
<v Speaker 1>just seems silly and like there they would have really

0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.840
<v Speaker 1>nothing to gain from it. What they gain money, I

0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 1>mean potentially, But if you're going to launch some kind

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 1>of espionage, whether it be corporate or international, I mean

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 1>that that just opens the gates right there for what

0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:35.279
<v Speaker 1>for anybody? It could have been US, It could have

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.640
<v Speaker 1>been the US government that was screwing with him. It

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.400
<v Speaker 1>could have been you know, the Soviets that were messing

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:44.239
<v Speaker 1>with me. It could have been you know, um an

0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:48.959
<v Speaker 1>Australian who're trying to make it in Yeah. Well yeah,

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I think competitors. That might be one thing. But I

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:54.239
<v Speaker 1>mean if you're saying that in terms of countries, I mean,

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 1>but North Korea has North Korea is now it doesn't.

0:42:57.719 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean North Korea is there is unique there as

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 1>actially looney and gangster like. They are the kinds of

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 1>guys who would do this. Australia would never do That's

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:07.840
<v Speaker 1>the government Australia, you know, it's but this is almost

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:11.120
<v Speaker 1>would China not do this? China doesn't need to do this.

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Korea is short on cash. Everybody short on cash. Why

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:18.000
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't Why wouldn't any other Why wouldn't the British do this?

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:21.960
<v Speaker 1>If they're trying to get in there to sell products

0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 1>there for or they have some loony sanction they're they're

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:28.280
<v Speaker 1>they're pushing for some reason. I mean, I'm just saying,

0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:31.520
<v Speaker 1>if we're going to open up the fold to that,

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:36.160
<v Speaker 1>why folks just on Korea because it could be anybody.

0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Because this is so goofy. This sounds like a black

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Ops operation on mushrooms. Well no, I mean essentially, the

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:47.360
<v Speaker 1>reason I don't think it's Korea, it's like Korea is

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 1>they're uniquely gangstruish and irresponsible. What Korea. What North Korea

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 1>would have done if they'd been behind this is they

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:55.880
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have set any nose. They would have poisoned candy,

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 1>killed a bunch of kids, and then after that was

0:43:58.040 --> 0:43:59.480
<v Speaker 1>all over the news, and then they would have like

0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:02.120
<v Speaker 1>the said, hey it's us North Korea. We did it,

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and if you don't want to happen again, you're just

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:07.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna send a suitcase it's full of golden cash, because

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 1>that's essentially what they do. Now. I just love that

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:16.000
<v Speaker 1>whole like the idea of like, hey it's us North Korea. Yeah,

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 1>we kill a bunch of kids. Yeah that's right. Yeah,

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:20.400
<v Speaker 1>that's the kind of stuff that those guys are. Psycho

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:22.879
<v Speaker 1>the industrious leaders said to do this or whatever they

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:27.120
<v Speaker 1>call him, We're we're way off track here being super

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:29.240
<v Speaker 1>offensive at the time. Well, no, it's not super offensive.

0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:31.359
<v Speaker 1>But I'm just saying it's not super offensive because they

0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:34.520
<v Speaker 1>don't get podcast. If if we're going to open up

0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the door to espionage of any cases, this is just blackmail,

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 1>well corporate apionage, you're a blackmail, then then that opens

0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:48.239
<v Speaker 1>the door to anybody because nobody stood out as a suspect,

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.840
<v Speaker 1>which means everybody could be here. I think we generally

0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 1>assume that like corporations, as corrupt as they are, are

0:44:54.160 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 1>not psychling as can be corporation, Yeah, but are not

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:03.880
<v Speaker 1>psycho enough to either actually poison a bunch of candy

0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 1>or even like say candy. I mean, you know, just

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:13.160
<v Speaker 1>like the tub of hydrochloric acid itself speaks of something

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 1>actually psycho like that's a pretty psychic you. Um, so

0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I there aren't good answers, But so to this day,

0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 1>nobody knows who did it. The monsters is yeah, the

0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:31.760
<v Speaker 1>cryptic notes, you know, the monster with faces of Matt Damon. Yeah,

0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 1>or the phantoms. Sorry, that's a that's a Wilford reference. Yeah, okay,

0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:42.879
<v Speaker 1>So you guys have a favorite theory on this one,

0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:47.719
<v Speaker 1>and there are really theories. Yeah, I think that Joe

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and I have both argued, you know, some of the

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:54.920
<v Speaker 1>basic theories. I don't know. I mean, I don't think

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:57.920
<v Speaker 1>that it's the guys who did the sarin gas. That

0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:01.879
<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like they're uh their can of worms, because

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:04.759
<v Speaker 1>they seemed pretty fanatical. Yeah, they probably would have just

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:07.200
<v Speaker 1>poisoned a bunch of kids. It was you know, would

0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 1>have been eleven years before, right, it would have been

0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:11.160
<v Speaker 1>the very so that was there. Well, but you would

0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:14.360
<v Speaker 1>think that groups and people who do that kind of

0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 1>behavior they have a cyclical build up, So I do

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:21.680
<v Speaker 1>one small thing to another bigger thing, to another bigger thing.

0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 1>But you would think that we would heard of all

0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:28.399
<v Speaker 1>these things, whereas that group the sarin gas was just

0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:32.879
<v Speaker 1>like they just dropped that bomb, no pun intended. They

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:35.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't work up to it, and you would think that

0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 1>in that eleven year period between the two they would

0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:41.040
<v Speaker 1>have done something else. Yeah, I don't think it was.

0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:43.920
<v Speaker 1>There's no reason, No, I don't. I don't know who

0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:46.479
<v Speaker 1>did it, but well, yeah, I think that I would

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:48.439
<v Speaker 1>it be interesting to find out is how many other

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:52.799
<v Speaker 1>companies got blackmailed by this whole But I think it

0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:54.759
<v Speaker 1>was probably I think, as far as I can tell,

0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:57.720
<v Speaker 1>it was three or four. Yeah, but I mean, I mean, seriously,

0:46:57.760 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 1>it could have been a whole lot more, could be

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:02.799
<v Speaker 1>more then lots loss more as Yeah, so yeah, well

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.440
<v Speaker 1>we'll never know. I don't think it was a Nork's

0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:07.160
<v Speaker 1>but you know, I wouldn't put it past him. You

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 1>know that they're disgusting little gangsters. Yeah, sure, Joe loves

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:15.439
<v Speaker 1>North Korea. Yeah, so I guess, but yeah, I'm gonna

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:18.200
<v Speaker 1>go with let me think, let me think. Yeah, yeah,

0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 1>the Fox side Man. Yeah, there you go it I

0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:24.200
<v Speaker 1>say it was the videotape man. Okay, yeah, can you

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:28.120
<v Speaker 1>how do you know they're not the same person your

0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:31.000
<v Speaker 1>anime voices? I don't. I don't have an anime voice.

0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 1>It was the Fox side Man. It was clearly the

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Fox side Man. Okay, that was good. Can we stop

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:47.239
<v Speaker 1>now before we just make bigger fools of ourselves? So

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 1>here Yeah. Yeah, so we didn't solve this one. We

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:55.200
<v Speaker 1>were still suspicious about North Korea. Joe is at least. Yeah.

0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:58.960
<v Speaker 1>So all of the links for this um are of

0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:01.480
<v Speaker 1>course on our website, which you may be listening to

0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:07.280
<v Speaker 1>us on. Uh. That website is as always thinking sideways

0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:10.359
<v Speaker 1>podcast dot com. You may also be listening to us

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:12.920
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0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:16.080
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0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:19.759
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0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.319
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0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:39.640
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0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:42.000
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0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:51.319
<v Speaker 1>what's one one faces? Or know who that person is

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:53.799
<v Speaker 1>or those people I don't know, or if you just

0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:56.880
<v Speaker 1>have a question. We've been getting lots of awesome, interesting

0:48:57.040 --> 0:49:02.000
<v Speaker 1>questions discussions. Yeah. I had a very interesting conversation with

0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:05.640
<v Speaker 1>a listener recently about aliens. If they exist, where are they?

0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:08.919
<v Speaker 1>Why haven't we found them? It doesn't matter anyways. So

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:13.160
<v Speaker 1>that email address is as always, thinking Sideways podcast at

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:17.960
<v Speaker 1>gmail dot com. So that's it. Um, I guess we're

0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:24.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna monster mash on addie. So if you're you accused

0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:27.400
<v Speaker 1>that police, don't kill us, um, and if you're the Monster,

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:30.000
<v Speaker 1>of course we want to hear from you. Yeah, that's

0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:33.920
<v Speaker 1>about it. I really want some puckey now, Yeah, it's good. Huh.

0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Just we just gotta hope that we don't get any

0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:39.440
<v Speaker 1>of the potassium cyanide stuff. No, actually chalky and gross,

0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:43.120
<v Speaker 1>but let's have some anyway. Yeah I do want some candy.

0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah Okay, bye, okay to everybody.