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Speaker 1: Thinking sideways. I don't know, you never know. The story

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Speaker 1: is of things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey,

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Speaker 1: everyone thinking excited was podcast as always. I'm Devin, joined

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Speaker 1: by Joe, Steve and Steve and Steve and Steve and

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Speaker 1: Joe and Joe and Den you know the trio the Scoobies.

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Speaker 1: If you can tell, we're already trying to pad this

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Speaker 1: like much longer than we think it's going to be

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Speaker 1: because you guys ramble on endlessly. Listen. Sorry everyone, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's Joe won't stop talking and get shocking. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk a little bit about the monster with

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Speaker 1: the monster with twenty one faces. YEA cool, cool cool.

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Speaker 1: So our mystery starts mysteriously like, but we are going

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Speaker 1: to do a little background first. Have you ever have

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Speaker 1: you guys ever had pocky? You know, I never have,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, ah, but I want to eat it. All.

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Speaker 1: That's the worst. So it's um. For those of you

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Speaker 1: who don't know what pockey is, google it probably is

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Speaker 1: the best way. UM. But it's these like kind of

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Speaker 1: I can describe them. Sometimes they have sprinkles and other

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Speaker 1: a confection in what country? Yeah, Japan and made in Japan.

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Speaker 1: Um and the company that makes it is called Isakai

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Speaker 1: Glico Leko is how I would say that word? My

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to be mispronouncing a lot of these words.

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Speaker 1: I apologize in advance, and I can't remember how we

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Speaker 1: I'm not I couldn't tell if they actually export to

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Speaker 1: So here we go, mysterious start every already? All right,

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Speaker 1: March eighteenth, night four at nine am, two masked men,

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Speaker 1: They tied Ezekai's wife and daughter up. Believing the two

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Speaker 1: a golf cap over his eyes and more telling, a

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00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: wireless receiver with headphones. Yeah, I guess so. So Prized

424
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: by the policeman, the driver sped off, with the police

425
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: car following in pursuit until the station wagon lost him.

426
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: I can I have never seen a high speed chase

427
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: with the station only in Japan. Grandpa and his station

428
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: wagon outran the police. Yeah, the patty wagon, right, you

429
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: would like to do in the movies. Now, you just

430
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: have to have accomplices and other cars who rolled away.

431
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: And so the station wagon, it turns out, was later

432
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: found abandoned and it was discovered that it had been

433
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: stolen earlier in that night. UM. Inside the car was

434
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: a radio transceiver UM that had apparently been eavesdropping on

435
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: radio communications between police officers from six different prefectures, including Osaka, Kyoto,

436
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: and Kobe, which were the prefectures where the drop point.

437
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: And to be clear, a prefecture not everybody knows that

438
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: had its The prefect is basically kind of a county.

439
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: It's an easy way to think of it. Exactly, so

440
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: a lot why would they leave their transceiver in the car? Well,

441
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: I mean you're running right, I mean you go quickly. Yeah,

442
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: I mean that's it's you know, you're you're leaving everything behind,

443
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: So I just gotta get out of here. But he

444
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: shook his tail. Yeah, fox sided man got away again.

445
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: Damn once again, once again a rascal. I cannot I

446
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: cannot emphasize enough. How like improbable And we're about to

447
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: get a little more improbable. Yeah. So in August of

448
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: the police superintendent of she goat prefectures that how you

449
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: would say that? Yeah? And the only name he was

450
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: given was Yamamoto um And he committed suicide by setting

451
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: himself on fire, not the way I would do it,

452
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: not the way I would know. No, that's that's a

453
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: bad way to go. Yeah, and it was speculated. I'm

454
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: pretty sure it was speculation. I don't think he like

455
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: left a note or like told anybody. My my impression

456
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: is that it was speculated that it was because he

457
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: was unable to solve the mystery of who the monster

458
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: with one faces was. It's kind of like taking your

459
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: job a little too seriously. That's but that's actually that's

460
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: actually very um that's very indicative of Japanese culture. Everything

461
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: is personal. It is my fault that I can't solve this,

462
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 1: and in a way, in Japanese culture, it's your fault

463
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: that some of these things happened, Like you take on

464
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: a certain level of responsibility and guilt for lack of

465
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: a better term for why these things are going on.

466
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: That's that's a bit of the way their culture works.

467
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: So I can see it. I don't understand it, but

468
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: I know that that's how some of that works. Yeah. So,

469
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: just a couple of days after Yamamoto's suicide, the monster

470
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: with twenty one faces sent what we would end up

471
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: being the final message to the media. They sent it

472
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: to the media, and I'm gonna read it, and I

473
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: super apologize if I end up sounding like a bad

474
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: anime character. All right, sailor mean, let's I'll read it.

475
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: Yamamoto of Shiga Prefecture police died. How stupid of him.

476
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: We've got no friends or secret hidings in Shiga. It's

477
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: Yoshito or Shagita. Yeah, it's Yoshina or Shikita who should

478
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: have died. What have they been doing for as long

479
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: as one year and five months. Don't let bad guys

480
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: like us get away with it. There are many more

481
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: fools who want to copy us. No career. Yamamoto died

482
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: like a man, so we decided to give our condolences.

483
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: We decided to forget about torturing food making companies. If

484
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: anyone blackmails any of the food making companies, it's not us,

485
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: but somebody copying us. We are bad guys. That means

486
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: that we've got more to do other than bullying companies.

487
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: It's fun to lead a bad man's life. Monster. What's

488
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: twenty one faces? Have you guys watched ax Cop? Ever?

489
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: That just sounds like ax copy and co reference. Ax

490
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: cop is written by a five year old you? Yeah,

491
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: I've heard about five and that was that? Is that

492
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: an animated thing? Or is Yeah, it's kind of a

493
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: folk comics series, like it's not a comic strip though,

494
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: or it's like a comic book, or it's it's a

495
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: it's not on the internet only I believe that it's

496
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: it's totally bogus. It's totally I remember, I remember we

497
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: looked at we looked at some of the some of

498
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: the stuff, and it's like this, this guy's kid is

499
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: like his little brother. Yeah, that's hilarious, so ax cop.

500
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: But that's exactly what that sounds like to me. It's

501
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: like a five year old writing a letter from bad guys. Right, yeah,

502
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: it does, you know, and I know that we're we're

503
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: done with the story at this point, right pretty much?

504
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's pretty much it. Yeah, it's pretty much. Okay.

505
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: So here's here's my one thing about the story that

506
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: really bothers me is I've done some reading on the

507
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: Japanese police and their justice system, and I'm not and

508
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: the stories that I've read focus on Tokyo, But I mean,

509
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: this is kind of deal with the entire system as

510
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: a whole. They always had, up until about the turn

511
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: of this century, they had an amazing record for solving crimes.

512
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: Do you know why they had an amazing record for

513
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: solving crimes? Because they cherry picked what they were going

514
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: to solve. In other words, if you came up and said,

515
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, my brother disappeared, Oh, well, your brother

516
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: is probably a drug user, so we don't care. And

517
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: then my brother was found dead in an alley two

518
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: days later, Well, your brother was obviously a drug user,

519
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: so we don't have to investigate that he overdosed. It's

520
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: his fault. Like they have this weird mentality of if

521
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: it's not an obvious answer, then we're not going to

522
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: investigate it. Therefore, our numbers look really good. They also

523
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: have this weird thing where they will only take on

524
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: cases where they think they can get the culprit, and

525
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: their entire judicial system in terms of prosecution at that

526
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: time hinges upon a confession. So if I get somebody

527
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: in the box, as they would say, so I get

528
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: him in the room to confess to to interrogate them.

529
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: They will interrogate somebody until they finally confess, and if

530
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: somebody doesn't confess, they don't get it. There's been cases

531
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: where people are like, I'm not going to confess to

532
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: this crime. I didn't do the crime, and they don't

533
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: understand it because it's sort of that cultural thing like

534
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: you're actually partially responsible even if you're not involved. So

535
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: your brother, let's say, is drug user, Well that's actually

536
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: kind of your fault, so you should kind of take

537
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: some culpability for that. So they have this weird cultural

538
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: bias where they will only go after certain things. And

539
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: because of that, I'm not going to say that they're inept,

540
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: but they're very slow footed and they're not quick on

541
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: the draw. They're not creative, and how they'll look at problems.

542
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: So I know that what they probably did, if this

543
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: is in my mind, like let's say, uh, Glico, that's

544
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: the first one, right, is a Kaiah. They probably looked

545
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: at him and they put him in the box and

546
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: they said, Okay, what did you do? What did you do?

547
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: That your fault that you got abducted and why did

548
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: you what did you do wrong? And you should take

549
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: some responsibility. And now they run this weird circular logic

550
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: process and they I mean, this is very condensed. This

551
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: is a very condensed issue with their their investigative process,

552
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: but they do some really weird things and they cannot

553
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: think outside of an extremely small box, which is what

554
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: I have a lot of problems with a case that

555
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: took a year and a half and they had lead none,

556
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: I mean other than finding blatantly labeled candies on a

557
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: shelf and a videotape and the supposed fox eyed man.

558
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 1: There wasn't anything they found because they didn't theydn't they

559
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: didn't cast a net that we know of. So actually

560
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: that's a very interesting thing that you would say, Um,

561
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: there actually are a couple theories from people around you know, again,

562
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: they're maybe not like the most substantiated theories, but they

563
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: are very interesting. Um oh yeah, no, I I like

564
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: the theories. But I just I want to put that

565
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: out to people that I think that maybe they didn't

566
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: really pursue this as a solid case because they didn't

567
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: want to. They pursued it because they had to. It's

568
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: got a lot of publicity. Yeah, so it's not an

569
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: easy to solve case. So crap work on Monday. They

570
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to go on, right, And I mean truly,

571
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: like the monster with one one faces for like how

572
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: horrible they were. They knew how to work the police system.

573
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: They knew that the police weren't going to investigated if

574
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: they weren't sending things to the media, if they weren't

575
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,239
Speaker 1: doing something super public. And that's yeah, I think that's

576
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: a good point, is that they wouldn't do anything that

577
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: they knew they couldn't work around. I mean, obviously they

578
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: were playing for fools. I mean, look at the typewriter

579
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: I use, and they were and you know, they like,

580
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: look at how dumb you are, Like, oh, we're bad men.

581
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: Don't let us get away with it. Ha ha ha. Yeah, absolutely,

582
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: but they're so bad, So like here's a quotement. I know,

583
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: we decided to forget about torturing food making companies. Um,

584
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: we are bad guys. Yeah, Why I decided to forget

585
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: about torturing food making companies? They get paid off, every

586
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: single one of them. So actually I think they did.

587
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: I think. So there's a couple theories here. All right,

588
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: well let's let's my my, my tirade is done. Yeah,

589
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: there aren't. They're on a whole lot of them. One

590
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: of them is do you know do you guys know um?

591
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: Um yeah, Srikyo? Yeah, do you know? I know who

592
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: they are? Yes, yes, So I can't pronounce it, but

593
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: I knew who they are. Yeah. A cult, really truly

594
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: a cult that carried out what I think has been

595
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: dubbed the most horrific attack in Japan since the World

596
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: War two world was dropped bomb, Yeah, basically, and it

597
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: was Saren gas attacks in the chimneys subway freaking terrible.

598
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: It's terrible. So Saren essentially kills you within one to

599
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: five minutes of you. Yeah, it just it just paralyzes

600
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: your lungs. Yeah. Yeah, So what happened was it was

601
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: these kind of like religious nuts who were part of

602
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: this cult defended. Yeah, they were fanatics, and they tried

603
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: to do this attack. It ended up being kind of botched,

604
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: which was good. I ended up being much better than

605
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: it could have been. I think it only killed it

606
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: only killed like twin people, I think, and it could

607
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: have been a much It seriously injured it like temporarily

608
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: blinded a hundred people or something like that, you know,

609
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: and like many, many, many many people. Yeah. So they

610
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: just like put buckets of this stuff next to subways

611
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: as they were going by. You know. They could have

612
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: been really really terrifying and gotten on subway cars and

613
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: goodness stuff up and they would have killed thousands of

614
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: people probably. That was so. Actually, it turns out that

615
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: this cult was founded in four which is the same

616
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: year that the Monster with twenty one Faces attack started happening.

617
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: The cult is Shinko, right, Okay, And that's a whole

618
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: different If you're interested in that, google it. It's a

619
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: story in and of itself. Yeah, there's a lot there,

620
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: but there is that theory circulating around. One of the

621
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: other theories is that the Fox Side Man was actually

622
00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: a famed yakuza member named Manibu me me as Hockey.

623
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: His alibis apparently checked out. It doesn't ever say what

624
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: his albis were. Um, and I'm not sure that the

625
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 1: police in that time period wouldn't necessarily like super pressure

626
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: a member of the yakuza. Well and and again, do

627
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: you remember my complaint about the Japanese police system is

628
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: that the stories that i've i've dealt, I've read in

629
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: that have been deep investigative stories is that I say, no,

630
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: I was on holiday at this place, and they go, oh, okay,

631
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: thank you very much, and they never double check. They

632
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: never double checked people's alibis, just oh, no, I said

633
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: I was here. Oh, well, of course you wouldn't lie

634
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: to the police. Why would you lie to the police. Yeah. So, actually, um,

635
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: I think the yu Kusa theory is it's pretty popular,

636
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: and I kind of like it is kind of one

637
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: of their specialty. It is one of their specialties. It

638
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: could have been just like a small fringe group. And

639
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: as it turns out, the attack stopped right when there

640
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: was this huge mob or in Japan in like the

641
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: late kind of time period, there was this huge mob

642
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: war that broke out. So you know, ostensibly, if somebody

643
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: were doing a side project of hey, we're gonna go

644
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: attack all of these companies just for fun. You know.

645
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: It kind of reads that whole like we're bad men,

646
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: ha ha ha ha taunting part of the yuck, who's

647
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: a mob? That that person could have been killed or

648
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: it could have, you know, just not been feasible to

649
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: spend the time to do this side project of attacking

650
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: the confectionery producer companies or whatever. So I kind of

651
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: like that theory. I think it's quite interesting. Well, and

652
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: that that actually lends to I don't remember. I was

653
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: listening to some story recently that was dealing with some

654
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: of these guys in Japan in kind of that time

655
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: frame who were trying to be basically bad bikers, and

656
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: they were like, we're bad biker gang. Yeah, we're going

657
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: to do all this stuff. Except it was kind of

658
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: this game of one upmanship. How close could I get

659
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: to the line before I walked away? Before I actually

660
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: crossed that line, And suddenly consequences go on and I

661
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: can't I can't pull back from it, you know, I'm

662
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be a bad guy, and I get

663
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: to this point and then oh this is getting a

664
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: little too real. We put these we put these poisons

665
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: out and they found him and it's getting a little

666
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: too creepy. Okay, we're gonna actually back off because I

667
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: don't actually want to be an outlaw. It might be that, Yeah,

668
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: when the somebody finally died, the policeman have committed suicide,

669
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: that might have Yeah, this game is not what it

670
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: was before. It's no longer fun. Now. Let me ask

671
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: you this. The so they threatened in the original the

672
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: original extortion attempt was with Glicko, and they threatened to

673
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: put sanide laced bags of candy on the supermarket shells.

674
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: And they pulled all those and they want to them

675
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: they find any that have been laced with poison, not

676
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: as far as I know, So the only one that

677
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: got laced with poison was the second, the second as

678
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: far as I know, and that and that could be

679
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: false information. Um, but they they said, yep, there's stuff

680
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: on the shelves. So Clicko pulled all that stuff. And

681
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: then once they put all their stuff, all their product

682
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: back on the shelves after they had gone through it

683
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: or whatever, the threat came in, Oh yeah, you're putting

684
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: that back on the shelves. Great, because we actually have

685
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of that stuff that's been tampered with, that

686
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: we're just going to stick on the shelves too. But

687
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: they never but as far as that they found tampered,

688
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: that's as far as I know, but it's it was

689
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: after they forgave glicko then then that was when they

690
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: found the stuff that's been laced with sodium cyanide, which

691
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: naga Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah. So, I mean some

692
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: of their notes, let's see, one of these ones seem

693
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: to be the loss. So why not let us help you.

694
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: We'll give you a clue. We ended the factory by

695
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 1: the front gate. Does that mean they are they basically saying, hey,

696
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: we worked the company, Yeah, we worked there. Maybe they

697
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: were a delivery guy or I'm a security guard. Yeah,

698
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to tell, right, A million people

699
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: to go in and out of the front gate of

700
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: a factory every day, So that's kind of um. The

701
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: only other little tidbit that I found kind of interesting

702
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: was that, you know, the statue of limitations on the

703
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: kidnapping and the poisoning ran out in two thousands. Actually,

704
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: shortly after that, the Japanese media started saying, oh it

705
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: was North Korea. I mean, yeah, Korea well, I mean

706
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: to be fair, like North Korea is a place that

707
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: like when when found to be tunneling under border with

708
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: South Korea, they just went in and painted all the

709
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: walls of their tunnels black and they were like, no,

710
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: it was Cole. We're looking for Cole. Look see all

711
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: that black stuff. It's yeah. I mean so I'm not

712
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: going to say that this because you don't know what

713
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: coal is, but we know Cole's black stuff on the wall. Yeah,

714
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to say like for that this

715
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: would be involved North Koreans. But I'm also not going

716
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: to say yeah, I was definitely North Korea, because that

717
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: just seems silly and like there they would have really

718
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: nothing to gain from it. What they gain money, I

719
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: mean potentially, But if you're going to launch some kind

720
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: of espionage, whether it be corporate or international, I mean

721
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: that that just opens the gates right there for what

722
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: for anybody? It could have been US, It could have

723
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: been the US government that was screwing with him. It

724
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: could have been you know, the Soviets that were messing

725
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: with me. It could have been you know, um an

726
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 1: Australian who're trying to make it in Yeah. Well yeah,

727
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: I think competitors. That might be one thing. But I

728
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: mean if you're saying that in terms of countries, I mean,

729
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: but North Korea has North Korea is now it doesn't.

730
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean North Korea is there is unique there as

731
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: actially looney and gangster like. They are the kinds of

732
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: guys who would do this. Australia would never do That's

733
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: the government Australia, you know, it's but this is almost

734
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: would China not do this? China doesn't need to do this.

735
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: Korea is short on cash. Everybody short on cash. Why

736
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't Why wouldn't any other Why wouldn't the British do this?

737
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: If they're trying to get in there to sell products

738
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: there for or they have some loony sanction they're they're

739
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: they're pushing for some reason. I mean, I'm just saying,

740
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: if we're going to open up the fold to that,

741
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: why folks just on Korea because it could be anybody.

742
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: Because this is so goofy. This sounds like a black

743
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: Ops operation on mushrooms. Well no, I mean essentially, the

744
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: reason I don't think it's Korea, it's like Korea is

745
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: they're uniquely gangstruish and irresponsible. What Korea. What North Korea

746
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: would have done if they'd been behind this is they

747
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't have set any nose. They would have poisoned candy,

748
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: killed a bunch of kids, and then after that was

749
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: all over the news, and then they would have like

750
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: the said, hey it's us North Korea. We did it,

751
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: and if you don't want to happen again, you're just

752
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: gonna send a suitcase it's full of golden cash, because

753
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: that's essentially what they do. Now. I just love that

754
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: whole like the idea of like, hey it's us North Korea. Yeah,

755
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: we kill a bunch of kids. Yeah that's right. Yeah,

756
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: that's the kind of stuff that those guys are. Psycho

757
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: the industrious leaders said to do this or whatever they

758
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: call him, We're we're way off track here being super

759
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: offensive at the time. Well, no, it's not super offensive.

760
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying it's not super offensive because they

761
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: don't get podcast. If if we're going to open up

762
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: the door to espionage of any cases, this is just blackmail,

763
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: well corporate apionage, you're a blackmail, then then that opens

764
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: the door to anybody because nobody stood out as a suspect,

765
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: which means everybody could be here. I think we generally

766
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: assume that like corporations, as corrupt as they are, are

767
00:44:54,160 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: not psychling as can be corporation, Yeah, but are not

768
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: psycho enough to either actually poison a bunch of candy

769
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: or even like say candy. I mean, you know, just

770
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: like the tub of hydrochloric acid itself speaks of something

771
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: actually psycho like that's a pretty psychic you. Um, so

772
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: I there aren't good answers, But so to this day,

773
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: nobody knows who did it. The monsters is yeah, the

774
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: cryptic notes, you know, the monster with faces of Matt Damon. Yeah,

775
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: or the phantoms. Sorry, that's a that's a Wilford reference. Yeah, okay,

776
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: So you guys have a favorite theory on this one,

777
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: and there are really theories. Yeah, I think that Joe

778
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: and I have both argued, you know, some of the

779
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: basic theories. I don't know. I mean, I don't think

780
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: that it's the guys who did the sarin gas. That

781
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they're uh their can of worms, because

782
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: they seemed pretty fanatical. Yeah, they probably would have just

783
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: poisoned a bunch of kids. It was you know, would

784
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: have been eleven years before, right, it would have been

785
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: the very so that was there. Well, but you would

786
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: think that groups and people who do that kind of

787
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: behavior they have a cyclical build up, So I do

788
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: one small thing to another bigger thing, to another bigger thing.

789
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: But you would think that we would heard of all

790
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: these things, whereas that group the sarin gas was just

791
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: like they just dropped that bomb, no pun intended. They

792
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: didn't work up to it, and you would think that

793
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: in that eleven year period between the two they would

794
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: have done something else. Yeah, I don't think it was.

795
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: There's no reason, No, I don't. I don't know who

796
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 1: did it, but well, yeah, I think that I would

797
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: it be interesting to find out is how many other

798
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: companies got blackmailed by this whole But I think it

799
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: was probably I think, as far as I can tell,

800
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: it was three or four. Yeah, but I mean, I mean, seriously,

801
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: it could have been a whole lot more, could be

802
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: more then lots loss more as Yeah, so yeah, well

803
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: we'll never know. I don't think it was a Nork's

804
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: but you know, I wouldn't put it past him. You

805
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: know that they're disgusting little gangsters. Yeah, sure, Joe loves

806
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 1: North Korea. Yeah, so I guess, but yeah, I'm gonna

807
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: go with let me think, let me think. Yeah, yeah,

808
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: the Fox side Man. Yeah, there you go it I

809
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: say it was the videotape man. Okay, yeah, can you

810
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: how do you know they're not the same person your

811
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: anime voices? I don't. I don't have an anime voice.

812
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: It was the Fox side Man. It was clearly the

813
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: Fox side Man. Okay, that was good. Can we stop

814
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: now before we just make bigger fools of ourselves? So

815
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: here Yeah. Yeah, so we didn't solve this one. We

816
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: were still suspicious about North Korea. Joe is at least. Yeah.

817
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: So all of the links for this um are of

818
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: course on our website, which you may be listening to

819
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: us on. Uh. That website is as always thinking sideways

820
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: podcast dot com. You may also be listening to us

821
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: on iTunes. I don't know. I'm not the boss of

822
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: tracking these sort of things. We have that. You know,

823
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: we have people for that. Uh. So if you are

824
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: listening to us on iTunes, please leave us a comment

825
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,719
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826
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829
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831
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834
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,319
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835
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,799
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836
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837
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:02,000
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838
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,640
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839
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: Why haven't we found them? It doesn't matter anyways. So

840
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841
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842
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 1: gonna monster mash on addie. So if you're you accused

843
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: that police, don't kill us, um, and if you're the Monster,

844
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: of course we want to hear from you. Yeah, that's

845
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: about it. I really want some puckey now, Yeah, it's good. Huh.

846
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: Just we just gotta hope that we don't get any

847
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: of the potassium cyanide stuff. No, actually chalky and gross,

848
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: but let's have some anyway. Yeah I do want some candy.

849
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah Okay, bye, okay to everybody.