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Speaker 1: Hello all, It's Sam here to remind you guys about

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Speaker 1: the West Coast leg of our stand up tour, which

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Speaker 1: is just around the corner at the end of September

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Speaker 1: still tickets for both San Francisco and Los Angeles, but

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Speaker 1: I can't say that forever. Oh amazing voice crack, So

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Speaker 1: get tickets. Oh yeah, and also I'm doing a solo

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Speaker 1: stand up show in New York on November seventh a

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Speaker 1: Union Hall. It's gonna be small, intimate vibes. So basically,

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Speaker 1: get tickets to all of those shows at our bio.

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Speaker 1: And we have truly had so much fun doing co

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Speaker 1: headlining shows on the East Coast and we can't wait

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Speaker 1: to bring it to the West Coast. So see you

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Speaker 1: there and enjoy the episode. Xoxo Sam.

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Speaker 2: Podcast starts now what is ever up? Oh? Fuck?

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Speaker 1: I fucked it up, Sam Fund We're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: re record. Well, we're off to a new start of

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Speaker 1: a new season, and I already fucked it up.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's right, it is a new season in the workroom.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're on season nineteen Austradio Lab.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can't believe it's been nineteen years already.

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Speaker 1: So many beautiful guests, so many amazing girls, so many girls.

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Speaker 3: Come and gone, these hallowed halls of the iHeart Offices.

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Speaker 3: And also, of course are apartments where we are right

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Speaker 3: now via zoom, via zoom, doing the iconic thing. Where

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Speaker 3: we're there's no way to make eye contact over zoom,

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Speaker 3: of course, so you know you have to. And this

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Speaker 3: is just part of modern life that we have to

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Speaker 3: be used to, is that I'm looking sometimes at you,

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Speaker 3: mostly at myself. Wow, let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest about that. Finally, I do am looking

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Speaker 1: at my hair.

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Speaker 3: I do am looking at my hair.

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Speaker 3: Let's get it trending, I do am looking at my hair.

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Speaker 1: Because I don't know if you've noticed, but I've actually

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Speaker 2: I've been going for a little bang.

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Speaker 3: Well that's all nice and good, but you are currently

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Speaker 3: wearing a hat, so it's a funny thing to mention

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Speaker 3: you're not sure if I've noticed, well, I.

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Speaker 1: Think you would notice even more than when I'm wearing

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Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying is this is rare to

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Speaker 3: I see and now I am seeing it.

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Speaker 3: You have a baseball cap on, but there are bangs

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Speaker 2: They're coming down.

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Speaker 3: They're coming down from it.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I do. I am looking at my

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Speaker 3: I do, I'm looking at my hair. As a Sabrina

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at my hair.

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Speaker 3: That's the dua lipa. I'm looking at my hair.

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Speaker 1: I have to ask, yes, okay, did you listen to

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Speaker 3: And the moment I said her name, I said, please

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Speaker 3: I have not listened to a millisecond of this album.

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Speaker 3: And can I actually say something further?

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Speaker 2: Okay the first one either you are fucking crazy.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what I know that I'm I'm all

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Speaker 3: for her. I love that she's tiny and a comedian

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Speaker 3: So yes, I love the idea of Sabrina Carpenter, and

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Speaker 1: Well, this is crazy, and I just can't believe the

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Speaker 3: It's true, they're gonna be pocket sized. It's gonna be

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Speaker 2: It is crazy.

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Speaker 1: This is unsustainable. We cannot get smaller than this. I

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Speaker 1: have a feeling that Dua Lipa is punishing us. Say more,

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Speaker 1: I think that Dua Lipa has taken a step back

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Speaker 3: Okay, I have two responses to this. I'm so glad

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Speaker 3: Dakota Johnson has her father's face but her mother's acting style,

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Speaker 3: one of the many things she said post viewing experience.

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Speaker 3: it's the narcissism of small differences, like because you keep

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Speaker 3: Why is he thirty seven but lives with roommates? Guess

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Speaker 3: what you're thinking too. Literally, if you leave, you'll realize

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Speaker 3: it's all just sort of metaphorical. All of these people

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Speaker 1: As someone who watched it in Los Angeles, I said,

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Speaker 3: No exactly, And I actually felt like I was. I

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Speaker 2: The point is, like, isn't dating crazy? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: The point is just isn't dating crazy? And isn't this

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Speaker 3: go back to Juliica because I have two thoughts. One

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Speaker 1: I think if Lady Gaga were starting today, she would

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Speaker 1: Well that's when she was at her most vulnerable, and

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I think she has always been playing with

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Speaker 2: It's just not right what she's doing.

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Speaker 2: This actually does make sense. You know, it's sort of

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Speaker 1: But I imagine sort of you know, you have to like

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's really smart.

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Speaker 3: I think someone who, of course doesn't do that is

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Speaker 3: even lately is a Charlie xcy X event. You're kind

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Speaker 2: You know? Who does it a little too much? Who travel?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 2: Those girls?

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Speaker 1: She's still touring this damn album that came out four

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'm like, girl, girl, girl, Yoh.

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Speaker 1: I'm truly like, you've got to put out a new album,

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Speaker 2: Is getting weird. Like I'm like, it's like watching a

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Speaker 1: It's like, yes, you can pull an old joke back,

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Speaker 3: So it is a new season of our podcast, Stradio Lab.

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Speaker 3: And I actually think your, of course, culture is moving

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Speaker 2: And on days when you sleep too late. That's a

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Speaker 1: There's something I want to say, but which I wonder

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Speaker 3: And guess what else, this isn't a normal f fuck

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it. This is a soft launch.

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Speaker 3: We are not a hard launch.

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Speaker 2: This is a soft launch.

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Speaker 3: And guess what that takes the pressure off. I now

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Speaker 2: Suddenly your clothing makes sense. Yeah, with in the big suit.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine to the soft lonch this is We're

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Speaker 1: I'm like, it's such a soft launch, the long table.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's like the unspoken drama of the

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Speaker 1: I'm addicted to soft launch. I'm talking about software's hard.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say something?

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Speaker 3: I think soft versus hard is one of the most

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can sometimes be soft. Well, not

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Speaker 3: There's even frankly soft consuming of like media or a

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Speaker 1: I've been trying to practice hard leisure, which is like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm hard leisuring.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like you've succeeded, because I do feel

442
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 3: like for the first time in years, maybe even since

443
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 3: pre pandemic. I like relaxed.

444
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I've actually succeeded. I think I'm kind

445
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 1: of in an amazing place when it comes to leisure

446
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 1: and media consumption. It's all very purposeful and thank god, Wait,

447
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 1: there's something about Oh, I guess I want to of course,

448
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 1: it's it's it would we would be remiss to not

449
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: bring up penises when talking about hard soft, like it's

450
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: obviously implied and everything we've been talking about. But I

451
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: just want to say, it's not a quality. We're not

452
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: saying hard and soft like some There is a space

453
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: for a soft, and there is a space for a hard,

454
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 1: and I actually, of course, my big critique is that

455
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 1: people want their penises only hard. And I'm saying that

456
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: I want to see hard and I want to see soft.

457
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 1: I want both. There's a time and a place for both,

458
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 1: and I'm sick of people pretending like the only value

459
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 1: is a hard one.

460
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 3: Where do you stand on semis?

461
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: I'm okay with them.

462
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's sometimes a dishonesty to semis that I don't appreciate.

463
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: I was at the beach recently and there was you

464
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: know that you know that gay guys are mutilating their

465
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: genitals on a day to day basis crazy. But I

466
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: saw like a salined dick, which, for those who don't know,

467
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: you can inject saline into your dick and it looks

468
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: like a big balloon.

469
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 3: And that's what inject me. I'm a free bitch means

470
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 3: from the Lady Gaga song Dance in the Dark, Keep Going.

471
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: So there was a guy that was kind of like

472
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: saline to look like he had like a permanent semi basically,

473
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: and then he had like a thong on and like

474
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: a really loose pouch, so it was like a dangly

475
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is so unsexy to me. It

476
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: looks like you have a doukie in your pants. You

477
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: are walking around with a dookie and you're like jiggling

478
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: around being like look at this, and I'm like, it

479
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: looks like a poo poo in your pants. This is

480
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: not hot or sexy. It actually much sexier if it

481
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: was normal size. And and okay, this guy had this

482
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: this saline dick. Then he had a necklace on that

483
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: said daddy in guess what the Barbie font. Oh in

484
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: the Barbie font it said daddy and then it was like, also,

485
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: like much larger than it should be.

486
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 2: Okay.

487
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: Then he gets his shirt on to leave and it

488
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: says like, come in me, it's my birthday.

489
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: And it's like that's too many signifiers, Coco Chanel, take

490
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 2: one off. This is too much. You had me at

491
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 2: saline dick like.

492
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: It didn't clearly he didn't have sailing dick. You said,

493
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: get that dick away from my face.

494
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: He's just like, I get what you're get that you're

495
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 2: like a slutty guy, Like I get no, I know,

496
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 2: I know, I know, yeah, and like I just it's

497
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 2: truly just like you have to have some depth in

498
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 2: your life. Your whole thing can't be I am sex like,

499
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 2: find some depth, read a book. M sorry this I

500
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: don't know.

501
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: This is really I realized this guy made me mad

502
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 1: and I needed just place to talk about it. It is

503
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: tough because he's if he's a listener. He's like, well,

504
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: that was definitely me.

505
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 3: I mean right, you are definitely describing just one person.

506
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 3: This isn't a that, this isn't an amalgamation of different people.

507
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: This is one guy who was in front of me

508
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 2: at the beach. You know.

509
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 3: The barbie fun is interesting because I wonder if like

510
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: he bought that during Barbie Fever and hasn't realized that

511
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: it's time to retire it, which is how I feel

512
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 3: when I see people wearing the Brat shirts or like

513
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 3: the three six five Party Girls shirts, and I'm like, yeah, God,

514
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 3: do you want to do we need to go somewhere

515
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: like I can give you a T shirt.

516
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, this is ironic, Right, you're like playing

517
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: with the form, Right, You're like doing that thing where

518
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: someone writes a book about four years ago.

519
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: Oh totally yeah, yeah, you're doing Eddington Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

520
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 3: you're actually going Eddington mode by wearing a Barbie font necklace.

521
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: Damn, Eddington Mode is so correct.

522
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 3: Eddington Mode is actually like a pretty big.

523
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: Concept because I do think it's so funny to talk

524
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: about the very recent past. Well, of course, I think

525
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: it's one of the more interesting things one can do.

526
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 3: Well, sometimes you'll see a post on a social media

527
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 3: platform that's like we don't talk enough about how good

528
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 3: the Giver by Chapelona is, Like, well, it's still out,

529
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 3: like it's still in cycling. It's literally in like the

530
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 3: Spotify New Music playlist.

531
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: Eddington Mode.

532
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: Did you ever read that book that was called like

533
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: a very recent history or something.

534
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 3: Wait, the Corey Seka book.

535
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: Maybe it came out in like twenty twelve or twenty thirteen,

536
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: was about like two thousand and eight, and.

537
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: It was like a Gawk. It was like about the

538
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 3: Coker Cory Ska. Okay, so okay, Actually it's funny you

539
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 3: mention him. So Corey's obviously I'm an early Cocker person

540
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 3: that one of the co founders of the All he's

541
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: now at York Well he wasn't York magazine and now

542
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 3: I think he's somewhere else. Anyway, do you know my

543
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 3: connection to him? When Gaker relaunched, he wrote an article

544
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: about it for New York mag and in it he said,

545
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: Cocker is now mostly women and one PARENTHESI is extremely

546
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 3: gay man.

547
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: Okay.

548
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: Well then I was like, you know, obviously I was

549
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 3: very flattered because I was like, what an amazing like

550
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: I was very flattered that someone I look up to

551
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: as a writer, you know, would in his own way

552
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 3: like past the baton by being like I was the

553
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: gay guy during this era. You're the gay guy this era.

554
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 3: And I, you know, I made some joke about it.

555
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: We had a back and forth. Then I ran into

556
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,239
Speaker 3: him at some event, like truly two weeks later, and

557
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 3: he introduces himself to me as though he doesn't know

558
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: who I am.

559
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: Interesting.

560
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: I was like, interesting, seeing what mind games you're playing here?

561
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: Interesting.

562
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: Do you ever build up when you're going to meet

563
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: someone that like someone that you know from the internet.

564
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: I had this recently where I built up like I

565
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we're going to be at the same event,

566
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: Like we are going to be at the same event.

567
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: This is such a long time coming, and I can't

568
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: wait for how funny this is going to be that

569
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: we finally get to meet.

570
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they're like they treat you like you're

571
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 2: a stranger, and I'm.

572
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: Like, no, we have like an online thing going on.

573
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: And it's like it's not impolite. They're not like ignoring

574
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: you or something. They're just like, oh, hi, I believe

575
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: we've met before, and I'm like, hello, obviously we haven't

576
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: met before. The whole point of this is it it's

577
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: notable that we're meeting.

578
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 3: So this is something I learned. I would say, like

579
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 3: approximately twenty nineteen, I was like, wait a minute, I've

580
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 3: never had a satisfying first physical interaction with an online friend,

581
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: I was a little bit like, I was like, wait

582
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: a minute. And it's the realization that people that are

583
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 3: fun on the internet are often weird in person. Yeah,

584
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: And then of course it makes you be self reflective

585
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 3: because you're like, am I one of those people? Am

586
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 3: I not to say that I'm fun on the internet,

587
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: but at the time, I was very active on social

588
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: media platforms, and I was like, is am I one

589
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: of these people that is like weird in person? My

590
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 3: eyes are darting everywhere and I'm not making eye contact

591
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 3: and I'm sort of being awkward and then going to

592
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 3: my phone and being like that feel when Bay is

593
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: squad and then it's going viral.

594
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 2: Damn.

595
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm really racking my brain to try to think. I

596
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: want to disprove because I need optimism, I need to believe.

597
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but maybe you're right, Like maybe I

598
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: have a fiction in my mind of like there's there's

599
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: a fantasy of seeing the person who you've interacted with

600
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: online and you just go like you basically scream and

601
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: you go like, ah, I know, like I can't believe

602
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: we're finally fucking meeting. I think the sadder version is like, yes,

603
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: people online are famously weird and they're gonna be awkward

604
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: when you meet them. But even worse is like building up.

605
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: It's so sad to build up a relationship and realize

606
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: it's one sided, like be like, oh I have I've

607
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: thought of us as like internet completely That is fucking pitiful,

608
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: and I do it often.

609
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: No, it's been a long process to not do it.

610
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: There was one time when someone I felt like was

611
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: my internet friend posted a literal fake news article. It

612
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: was like from like a website that's meant to trick you.

613
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: And I replied, in my thinking as a as a friend,

614
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: like being like, oh, like this is fake, this is

615
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: not real. And he took it as an attack and

616
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: then and then was like I never said it was real,

617
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: Like why are you like why are you you know,

618
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: talking back or whatever, and I was like, whoa.

619
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: That is scary, And he.

620
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: Afterwards tweeted something along lines of like Twitter people are

621
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: so self aggrandizing and like think they're right about everything.

622
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: I was like, who whoa, whoa? Whoa. I'm not a

623
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: Twitter person, I'm a friend.

624
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: I need to know who this is so bad.

625
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: I'll tell you later. And meanwhile here's what's scarier. The

626
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: day later, we went back to having the relationship we

627
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: always did. Like, it's just like this. He's like Internet,

628
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 3: He's like, Internet is not real. I'm like, I can

629
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 3: lash out if I want to. I can go back

630
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: to being to having you know, conversations if I want to.

631
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: It's like, it doesn't count.

632
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: If I were to talk to a therapist, which as

633
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: we know, I canonmically don't believe in. If I were

634
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: to talk to a therapists, it would be about there's

635
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: something about how that I actually get so freaked out

636
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,239
Speaker 1: when I realize the fragility of all relationships, like there

637
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: is something where like that is my greatest fear is

638
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: you will message someone and they will like.

639
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: Take you in a wrong sense and almost assume the worst.

640
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no,

641
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: like take.

642
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: Everything I say with a grain of like, and I

643
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: love you like there is no ill will there never

644
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: will be, and if there is, I simply wouldn't be

645
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: messaging you. Like you have to assume the best for

646
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: me always, and people don't do that. And that's that's freaky.

647
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 3: It's freaky. It's freaky, and our country is broken.

648
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: Our country is fucking broken, y'all. I today, you sent

649
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: me a Tucker Carlston clip. Can we be honest you

650
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: sent me a clip?

651
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: Well, okay, I wasn't like endorsing it, but I you know, listen,

652
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 3: there's something happening that we have to address, which is

653
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: which is that these people are really funny.

654
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 2: It's crazy he this clip.

655
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: By the time this episode comes out, it'll be long

656
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: gone and well over. But he calls Pete Bluja a

657
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: fake gay guy, and it is like then they talk

658
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: about they do an analysis of his career where they

659
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: talk like say, he's like really climb me and whatever,

660
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: and then they say that they want to ask him

661
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: questions about gay sex to see if he could answer them,

662
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: and it literally feels like it could be our words.

663
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: I was like genuinely blown away. One I did think

664
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: it was funny, and I was like kind of scared

665
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: because I was like, this is such a valid critique,

666
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: like obviously he's not actually a fake gay guy, duh.

667
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: But I was like, but I see what they mean,

668
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: Like we have said this, like we have like referred

669
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: to Buddha Judge as like an archetype.

670
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's interesting. I was really we were both

671
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: in really bad movies. Today.

672
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: We were reflecting on that before we started recording, and

673
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: you sent me that clip and it was the first

674
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: light of joy that I felt today, and I was like,

675
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is how people genuinely turn Republican,

676
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: Like they see a clip at a point where when

677
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: they are low and then they are Republican.

678
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: I know it's tough to overstate in an era of

679
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: like I'm sorry to use this term because I hate it,

680
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 3: but like vibes based you know, conversation and politics, just

681
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: the strength that just like looking at someone who looks

682
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: like they're having fun has like you see that clip.

683
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: I think Tucker Carlson is one of the worst people

684
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: to ever exist, but you see that clip and you're like,

685
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: he's like laughing, he's joking with his buddy, he's having fun.

686
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: He's not I mean, obviously in other instances he is

687
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: being like completely self aggrandizing and annoying and self righteous

688
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: or whatever. And this specifically, I'm saying, like, if you're

689
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,239
Speaker 3: being inundated with little short form videos and then that

690
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: one comes up, you're gonna laugh.

691
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: You're gonna laugh.

692
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: I want to talk about this speaking of real gay guys. Yes,

693
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Stephen Phillips worst article,

694
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: the Peak of gay Slightdiness.

695
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: Yes, the Peak of gay' lightiness in New York mag

696
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: It's funny. Someone the other day called it a personal essay.

697
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 3: I would say it's a classic, like reported trend piece.

698
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sort of looking.

699
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: At I think it's like diagnosing, and I say diagnosed

700
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: in a morally neutral way. It's diagnosing like a real thing,

701
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: which is that we are in a very particular and

702
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 3: new kind of moment when it comes to gay sex

703
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: and gay socializing in large urban areas.

704
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought it was a very accurate portrayal.

705
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: And so basically he was sort of talking about how,

706
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, G culture, drug culture is reaching a peak,

707
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: and like sort of anonymous sex culture is reaching a peak.

708
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: And it wasn't sort of like a It wasn't condemning

709
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: as much as it was just like holding a mirror

710
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: and saying, like, here is what is happening.

711
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: It wasn't condemning at all. I think it was self

712
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: deprecating just the right amount. Like he is making fun

713
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 3: of himself, he's calling himself old, he's saying like, I

714
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: feel kind of you know, we've talked a lot about

715
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 3: how being in your thirties is this chasm that you

716
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 3: have across as a gay man because you are no

717
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: longer a young twenty year old and not yet a daddy,

718
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: so you just are in this in this invisible middle area.

719
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: And he also correctly contrasts it to past eras of

720
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: gay promiscuity and gay debauchery by sort of saying that

721
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 3: it's like has this ethos that's very Silicon Valley and

722
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: very like it's like we're trying to maximize every second.

723
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: Rather than seeking out pleasure, we're seeking out productivity. Productivity.

724
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

725
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like for anyone who doesn't know, see, this

726
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 3: is where it gets complicated, because I'm like, you want

727
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: to be talking about this only with an in group.

728
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: I want to What I was about to do is

729
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: explain what g is and explain what we're talking about.

730
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, well, then we're almost like presenting

731
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: this problem to a straight listener and having them gowk

732
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 3: at a specific kind of gay lifestyle, whether or not

733
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: we are part of that lifestyle. And I don't want

734
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: to do that. And that is the criticism that Stephen

735
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: got Is being is people being like, why are you

736
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: quote unquote airing out our dirty laundry, our being you know,

737
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: with the queer community in this instance, like most of

738
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: gay guys.

739
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was an interesting critique because, like,

740
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 1: obviously the fear I understand, like if that article gets

741
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: in the hands of one single Republican, we are fucked,

742
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: like like it is just everything that they dislike and

743
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: would like try to shut down. But it's also sort

744
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: of like it's New York magazine like like I'm sorry,

745
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: Like the benefit of print being dead is like the

746
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: only gay guys are reading this like it's fine.

747
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: Well, on the other hand, though, what happens is everything

748
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: is like there's this sea of unseen content and at

749
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 3: any given time someone could choose like pluck out one

750
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 3: of them and make that the story of the day.

751
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 3: There's no sense of context anymore. Like that thing.

752
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: It could be.

753
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: Something on someone's personal blog, It could be that someone

754
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: do you remember this? Like there was one random girl

755
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: on Twitter that got a PhD in something that sounded

756
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: fake and she was like, it's my graduation, Like I

757
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 3: got a PhD in studying like olfactory esthetics in nineteenth

758
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: century literature. And then someone was like, oh.

759
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: She studied smells.

760
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: This is what they're doing in college, and then that

761
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: became the story.

762
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: Of the day.

763
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 3: This is just the you know. And so there's something

764
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: about the sheer quantity of content that both makes you

765
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 3: feel safer because you're like, well, no one's listening, but also,

766
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: at any given time, your thing is could be the

767
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: thing that's plucked out. At any given time, any of

768
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 3: our clips could be taken out of context and beyond

769
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: Tucker Crolson. So anyway, but of course that's not a

770
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: reason not to write a trend piece for New York Magazine.

771
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: I did find the critique to.

772
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: Be like, we need to have this conversation with each other,

773
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: to be like honestly dead, And I was like, what

774
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: do you mean we are having it?

775
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like there's also there's also not one conversation. There

776
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: are conversations I'm having with my friends. And then I

777
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: also want to read an article that is funny, well

778
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: written and diagnoses a problem and is written and edited

779
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: by two gay guys that know this world and live

780
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: in New York City and like, sorry, but that's how

781
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: it is.

782
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was a really smart and funny article.

783
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: I also thought the idea obviously this kind of relates

784
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: to me talking about Speedo Guy earlier saline Cock, which

785
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: is that like there I have been bothered by that

786
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: the quantity over quality when it comes to gay sex,

787
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: Like there is the like I want eleven loads is like, okay,

788
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: calm down, Like it's like, how about you have one

789
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: load that's really fun? Like like it is just like

790
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: a numbers game, is not It's like a way to

791
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: de sexualize sex. And I'm like, what it's the point

792
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: if you're like, if it's not sexy anymore.

793
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 3: Well, a recurring thing in Stephen's article and part of

794
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: the Silicon Valley ethos of this whole thing, is the

795
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: attention to numbers in math. You know, when you are

796
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: doing g you can only take it needs to be

797
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: very carefully dosed. So the sort of stereotype which is,

798
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 3: you know, which we have seen around us and is

799
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: described in this article, is that you'll see gay guys

800
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: and all their Apple watches will go off at the

801
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: same time, and that means it's like time for the

802
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 3: next nose, you know. Contrast that to a table of

803
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: gabbing goals that are having their martinis. It just it

804
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 3: is less sorry.

805
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: Fabulous, it's less fabulous, it's less fabulous, less glamorous.

806
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 3: So there's that. There's the number of loads, which is

807
00:39:50,360 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: another like counting counting thing. I'm curious about your experience

808
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: with it because people talk a lot about like a

809
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: shift in Again, I keep using the word vibe, like

810
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: a vibe shift, And this has been a real one

811
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 3: for me. Like I was on Fire Island this summer

812
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: and I went to two parties in a row where

813
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: there was no alcohol available. Yeah, and the reason is

814
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: because you can't drink when you're on G. And so

815
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: the the implication is that that's what everyone that's like

816
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: the new it is norm Yeah. And I would go

817
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 3: so far as to say, even if that is normal,

818
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: the nice thing to do would be to host a

819
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: party and put various options out for people and one

820
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 3: of them, you know, it could be like a bottle

821
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: of wine and then think of tequila with mixed or whatever.

822
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: But it's not just that the G isn't your normal.

823
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 3: It's that it's like it's sort of there's an in

824
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: group out group dynamic.

825
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a bit of a warring warring factions because

826
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: the people who drink alcohol are judgmental to the people

827
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: that do G and people that do G are udg mental.

828
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: The people that drink alcohol like they're sort of like, okay, Grandpa,

829
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: you're still drinking alcohol. So it's kind of like okay,

830
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: but like like or they're like, you think G is

831
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: bad for you, alcohol is bad for you, and I'm like, true,

832
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: but it's like the socially, I'm like, but it's there's

833
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: a rich tradition.

834
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: This is like the bad for you that.

835
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: None of us are doing anything good for us.

836
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna do something bad for us. It's it's confusing,

837
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: it definitely. I mean I almost like in a.

838
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: In a distancy way, how it makes me feel kind

839
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: of old.

840
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: To drink alcohol.

841
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: Still I'm sort of like, oh, I'm like an old

842
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: gay guy who like can't stop drinking alcohol, Like this

843
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: is so classic. But then I'm also like, wait, but

844
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: I want to be like of the now.

845
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: But I yeah, I'm the.

846
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: Culture does not appeal to me, I have to say.

847
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: And I actually don't think I understand why you're using

848
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: the word judgmental. And of course there's judgment coming in

849
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: all directions. I like to think. I'm not it's not.

850
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: I don't think it's judgment. I think it's like in

851
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 3: the same way that I know I am not gonna

852
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: look good in skinny jeans, so I'm not gonna wear them.

853
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 3: That is something I don't want to do because I

854
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 3: don't think it like is what would make me feel good.

855
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: You're telling me if there's a bitch rolls up in scannadions,

856
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be a little judgment. You're telling me

857
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,479
Speaker 1: a gay guy rolls up jeans, your eyes are rolling

858
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: a bit.

859
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: You know what.

860
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: Else. I'm sorry, but like I hope this isn't too controversial.

861
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: But so Steven's article came out again. It is described

862
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: it's basically like a I would say, it's like a

863
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 3: portrait of a moment in time. He's describing a couple

864
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: of parties he went to. He's describing a couple of events.

865
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 3: He's describing a changing party culture, let's say. And so

866
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: he is referencing certain parties in New York by name.

867
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: He's referencing certain individuals and certain like nightlife personalities. And

868
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: there has been a backlash in the nightlife community. That

869
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: is the crux of which is like, why are you

870
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: like naming specific people in places because it could like,

871
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: you know, shut down or to get them shut down.

872
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: These are vulnerable people. Also, there's this kind of like

873
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: weaponizing of identity because it's like these are LGBTQ plus

874
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: precarious performers and creators and whatever. And what's your take

875
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 3: on that?

876
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a valid critique, especially the

877
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: names of parties. Like there is something where it's like,

878
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: if it reminds me, do you remember that New York

879
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 1: Times article about Zeppelite that came out like four years

880
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: ago or something. Yeah, ye, Well basically I went to

881
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: Zipelite after that article came out, and that article was

882
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: about how it had become like a gay place and

883
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: how there was all this cruising and like it was

884
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: sort of debaucherous, and it was also a portrait of

885
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: like shifting cultures where it used to be like hippie

886
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: nudists and now it's like slutty gay guys fucking.

887
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: On the beach.

888
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: And the thing about that was like it wasn't the

889
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: residents of Zepiliday, from my understanding, weren't like, oh this sucks.

890
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: But the police then had to be like we're being

891
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: embarrassed because we've kind of like turned a blind eye

892
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: to this, and now it's being published that this is happening,

893
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: and so now we have to pretend to or not

894
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: even pretend. We basically have to like cover our asses

895
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: and like start doing raids so that we don't look

896
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: like we're fucking letting this happen. And so people in

897
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: Zeplio we're talking to us about like that article fucked

898
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: things up in that way where it's like the police

899
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: had to do something because it was so public and

900
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: like because before that everything was kind of everyone was

901
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: at peace. And my fear is that like there is

902
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: in New York, there is like a blind eye being turned.

903
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: People are aware that there's like drugs and illicit stuff

904
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: at parties, like that's that's parties, Like yeah, but now

905
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: the police like have to not look embarrassed and and

906
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: have to like sort of raid these places.

907
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: If that would be my fear.

908
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: And so I do understand a little bit where it's

909
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: like you if you could anonymize the names of parties,

910
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: that could prevent them from being so specifically targeted. But

911
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: I also like, I it's tough because I don't know

912
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: how seriously to take things. I'm often like, like, you know,

913
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: just say it and see what happens. But I could

914
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: see I guess how that is a valid critique.

915
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: With things like this. I mean, as always both sides

916
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 3: are right, but I also just think we journalism is

917
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: like is a classically like a moral thing, like it

918
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: just like, yes, you are always airing out people's dirty laundry,

919
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 3: like and frankly, I think people and especially younger people,

920
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 3: have become so used to toothless culture reporting that is

921
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: just like parroting TikTok trends and it'stead really like what

922
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: does everyone think about performative males? And then it's quoting

923
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: tiktoks that people have forgotten, like yeah, you have to

924
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: get your hands dirty if you're gonna act report on

925
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: the culture, which, by the way, I like, don't generally

926
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 3: speaking have the courage to do. Like I remember when

927
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 3: I was at Cockra, I was like, I so many

928
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: of the things I would edit. I'd be like, I

929
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: don't know if I would have the hudspu to like

930
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: write this myself with my name attached to it. And

931
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: I think it's like you have to have a very

932
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: specific personality type to be able to like risk a

933
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: certain level of reputation, risk a certain hit to your

934
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:33,959
Speaker 3: reputation because obviously if you report something correctly, there's gonna

935
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: be people that look bad. There's gonna be people that

936
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 3: feel exposed. There's gonna be people with power that are

937
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 3: mat it you. There's gonna be probably people without power

938
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: that think that you're exploiting them. Like that's just that

939
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: is what the truth is.

940
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I do think that's where Steven.

941
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm like genuinely so impressed with the article because I'm like,

942
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: this is like such a cheesy word to use, but

943
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: I was like it was like brave, like to literally

944
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: ostracize yourself in that way.

945
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: He is.

946
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: He has been banned from parties. Really yes, this has

947
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: been like part of the pollout.

948
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was like, so yeah, it was like

949
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: cool that he did it because I was like, that is.

950
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: So you're like you're alienating yourself. It's tough. And he's

951
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: always been really good at He's got bite in like

952
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: a crazy way he does.

953
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 3: He does have bite, and it actually I think like

954
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 3: I was actually talking a lily about this. It's almost

955
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 3: like he there's two parts of his personality. There's an

956
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: interpersonal When you talk to Steven, he's like so sweet

957
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: and so funny and like just very intellectually curious and

958
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: smart whatever. Then his writing persona is a different thing.

959
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 3: It's like he is it's also intellectually curious, but it

960
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 3: is a he's like out for blood.

961
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: Yeah he really really is.

962
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very interesting. I also found I don't know

963
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: what your experience is, but I found that like, when

964
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: looking on the internet, the reaction was very discoursey, and

965
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: then whenever I talk to anyone in real life they

966
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: were like, oh, yeah, totally I agree with that whole article.

967
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: I thought it was genius.

968
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: Well what that literally relates back to the TikTok trend

969
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: piece versus real life trend piece thing. It's like, yes,

970
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 3: everything you see on the internet is stupid, not to

971
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 3: paint in broad strokes, but it's like, can you imagine

972
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: how much of a loser you have to be to

973
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 3: get on the internet and tweet that you disagree with

974
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 3: an article?

975
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: Damn go off? Yeah totally fuck.

976
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 3: But again I get. It's also like there are different outlooks,

977
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: Like there are when you are working in nightlife and

978
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: when you're working in these spaces, like of course you're

979
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 3: going to see someone that is ostensibly a reporter in

980
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: this instance as the villain like you are you are?

981
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: This is you know, you don't want someone drawing attention

982
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: to your party or to your event, But it's also

983
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 3: the risk you take when you want something to be

984
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: buzzy and to be popular, is that someone will write

985
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 3: about it.

986
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 2: That's yeah, yeah, it's the it's the toss up. That's tough. Damn.

987
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to go from here, to

988
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: be quite honest, I'm like, it's so hard to find

989
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: a new topic after I know going into this that

990
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 1: was that was a serious one.

991
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 2: Here's something I.

992
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: Want to talk about is so we both saw weapons,

993
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: and specifically I want to talk to.

994
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: You about like the gay guys in it.

995
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 1: I want to see what your opinion on the gay

996
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: performances was in weapons.

997
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: You know, this is a tough one because like, I

998
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 3: can't tell how serious I want to be about it. Obviously,

999
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 3: it's funny when they were shopping for Cereal, and it's

1000
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 3: funny that they're Disney gays wearing matching Mickey matching seven

1001
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: hot dogs. But there was something about it where I

1002
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 3: was like, wait, so of all the characters, they're the

1003
00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 3: butt of the joke like that, And again, I I'm

1004
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 3: not offended but by it, but I'm like, so, if

1005
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 3: if they're gonna be like camping over the top and

1006
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 3: quote unquote stereotypical in this way, then are you also

1007
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: going to do that with other stereotypes or are you

1008
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 3: gonna have like are you gonna, I don't know, have

1009
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 3: the woman character be like I'm on my period. It's

1010
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: like everything else was played pretty straight, and then the

1011
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 3: gay guys were like a comedy sketch.

1012
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: Well, like, so Josh Brolin is like a Republican coded guy, yeah,

1013
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 1: and yet he's like actually really reasonable.

1014
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: And he's like a hero. Yeah.

1015
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: And then the gay guys are like literally just like

1016
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: doing a bit the whole time. But the thing is

1017
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: the bit was funny, of course, and I was like,

1018
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: there's something about it, but I was like, this is

1019
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: kind of for for gays that would live in that

1020
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: type of town. I was like, they would be wearing

1021
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: McKey mouse.

1022
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: And that's exactly You're exactly right. Is it is classic,

1023
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 3: like it's small town gays that were clearly when they

1024
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 3: were younger. Bull went through a hard time and god,

1025
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 3: they like came on the other through to the other side,

1026
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: and one of them is the school principal and he

1027
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: has this hot husband and they're like, so they can't

1028
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: believe their luck that they are in this like lovely

1029
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: domestic situation and they're eating seventeen hot dogs and watching

1030
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 3: nature documentaries. So it is true that that would be

1031
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 3: that that would be what they're like, but it actually

1032
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 3: made me because you know, the what's his name, Zach Greig,

1033
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: Gregor Greigor. He's like a comedy guy, and I'm sort

1034
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: of like, okay, so you have it in you puts

1035
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 3: sprinkle some more comedy. I mean there was other There

1036
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 3: was obviously Aunt Gladys's comedic and the Final Sequences comedic,

1037
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 3: but I'm like, you could have made the Josh Brolin

1038
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: character way funnier, make him like a crazy conspiracy QAnon guy,

1039
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 3: or you could have made the teacher like even more

1040
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: of a mess with the alcoholism, like let's go broad.

1041
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: I do agree.

1042
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: I thought she was sort of miscast, to be honest,

1043
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: because I'm like, so she's like an alcoholic mess. Why

1044
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: is she snatched as fuck? And like Soto skin is gorgeous.

1045
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, we need somebody who's like a little bit

1046
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: beat up.

1047
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: I can really agree. I actually think the cognitive dissonance

1048
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 3: when it comes to insanely hot actresses on screen has

1049
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 3: reached a fever pitch.

1050
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, something's not connecting. People are like, well, if

1051
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: it's a woman, she has to be as hot as

1052
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: fucking possible.

1053
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: It's crazy, and she has to have like the most

1054
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: beautiful Christian girl autumn wavy hair.

1055
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those damn beach waves.

1056
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 3: That said, I do think Julia Gardner is a great.

1057
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: Actress, of course, did I for I want to say

1058
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: also about Zach Kreiger, did you see Barbarian?

1059
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 2: Yes, because he does have a way of like when

1060
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: is it justin long is that his name?

1061
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1062
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: When he's like's up vaggot like answers the phone like that.

1063
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: I've like I've never felt more taken care of total

1064
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: because I was like, he understands sort of that homophobia

1065
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: is real and you're allowed to show it like it's

1066
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: like that is it's like not patronizing, it's like respectful

1067
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: to almost show like a gay stereotype where it's like

1068
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: you actually do kind of get it.

1069
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: There's I almost feel.

1070
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: Like respected when someone shows light homophobia.

1071
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: I know, I mean, I do think Barbarian I'm like,

1072
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 3: did I like Barbarian better?

1073
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 2: I think you definite did I did like Barbarian Better.

1074
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: To be completely honest, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry I

1075
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: have that opinion.

1076
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 3: No, I think both of us also saw weapons way too.

1077
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 3: You know, it's like you, You're hearing everyone talk about

1078
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: it and it's amazing and Aunt Gladys is to die

1079
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: for and all this stuff, and of course it's too late,

1080
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 3: and then there's no way to go but down because

1081
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 3: it's so overhyped. I liked I liked weapons.

1082
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 2: I liked weapons, and.

1083
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: I appreciate that alcoholism allegory of like Ont Gladys is

1084
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 3: alcoholism or is addiction?

1085
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: Oh? Is that? Oh?

1086
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So let me explain, and I can't remember.

1087
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 3: One of the ways it's being interpreted is that Aunt

1088
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: Gladys symbolizes addiction, and so she first she can turn

1089
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: you against people you love, which she does with the

1090
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: gay couple, and then also when it's with when she's

1091
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 3: staying with the parents, she's making them incapacitated and lethargic,

1092
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: and so the son has to step into parental roles

1093
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: by feeding them soup and taking care of them and

1094
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: all this stuff, which mirrors Zach Kreiger's own relationship with

1095
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 3: his I think father, who was an alcoholic. You know,

1096
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 3: it sort of like forces the child to grow up

1097
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 3: too soon and to step into the p rental role.

1098
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: Interesting and what I actually thought, if you take that

1099
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 3: to its conclusion, what I thought was interesting was that

1100
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 3: the end, and sorry they're spoilers, at the end, when

1101
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 3: you are told that some of the kids started talking

1102
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 3: a year later, it's like, so, just because the demon

1103
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 3: was defeated, aka, you know, sobriety or whatever you want

1104
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 3: to say, doesn't you know the trauma remains.

1105
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 4: Hmmm.

1106
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: Interesting.

1107
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: I did like the sad ending where it's like it's

1108
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: like happy and sad.

1109
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: I agree.

1110
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: I thought that was really cool. Well, that's interesting. I

1111
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: never thought of it like that.

1112
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 3: I do think the scene with the gun above the

1113
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 3: house was random dot com slash footage.

1114
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: Not found random aff. I'm saying, who the hell, what.

1115
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 3: The heck, what was this supposed to be in here?

1116
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: I like that reading of it as like addiction. But

1117
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 1: I'm seeing so many people I've seen people be like, hello,

1118
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: it's obviously about school shootings, and I was like, is it, Like.

1119
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: What is it? What is it about?

1120
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 3: I do think the school shooting is almost a red herring,

1121
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 3: like it sets out so clearly wanting you to think that,

1122
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 3: and then it's like sort of not about that. The

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00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: other thing that he said himself in an interview was

1124
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 3: that so you know, he lost a friend of his,

1125
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 3: and he said that each character represents a different like

1126
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 3: form of grief he went through, m hmm. So one

1127
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 3: of them is angry, one of them is trying to

1128
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 3: blame someone, one of them feels guilt, guilt and shame,

1129
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 3: you know whatever.

1130
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 2: Okay, sure, And I did think.

1131
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 3: I did think the multiple perspectives worked and and you know,

1132
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 3: obviously I thought Gladys was to die for.

1133
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: Gladys was to die for. I will say the police

1134
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: officer guy was so hot, so hot. I was like,

1135
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: give me, give me, give me.

1136
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: And I love when a new hot guy drops, you say, wow,

1137
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: there's another one.

1138
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: The police guy.

1139
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: The police guy.

1140
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 3: Oh honey, he's been around.

1141
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: What's what else is he?

1142
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 3: Alden Aaron Reik Alden, Aharon Reich. He is in He's

1143
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 3: in solo. A star Wars story. I think that was

1144
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 3: one of his big breaks. He was a Gail Caesar.

1145
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: I didn't see that. I did see solo. I guess

1146
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 1: that's I can see it now. That's weird, that's crazy.

1147
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: He's sort of it's like, very nice to see him

1148
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: in this role because I think for a while they

1149
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 3: were like, oh, he's hot enough to be a leading man,

1150
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 3: let's try to make that work. But he's he is

1151
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 3: meant to be this kind of character actor.

1152
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1153
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was an Oh my god, he was an

1154
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 3: Oppenheimer our favorite movie. I actually don't remember that.

1155
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: I don't remember being in.

1156
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 3: That, but you know what, every guy was in that.

1157
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: That's true. We were in that.

1158
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 3: We were in that, and we were really amazing.

1159
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: We were amazing. We played the gay guys.

1160
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 3: Yeah we were We played the gay guys. We played

1161
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 3: the gay guys from Weapons but in Oppenheimer, and it

1162
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 3: was really totally inconsistent with the rest of the film.

1163
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: But people like loved when we popped in, like it

1164
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: was funny. Like people that watch it multiple times like

1165
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: start to become grateful that.

1166
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 3: Well, there was this whole meme where people were like,

1167
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 3: if only Christopher Nolan wrote women as well as he

1168
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 3: writes gay guys.

1169
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: I would love to see Christopher Nolan do a movie

1170
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: about four gay guys living in New York City. I

1171
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: think that would actually be so deeply funny.

1172
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: I I agree, and I would go so far as

1173
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: to say I understand the Christopher Nolan. Nolan is in

1174
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 3: his blank check era, like he has he is the

1175
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 3: only filmmaker left who is able to make a movie

1176
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 3: like Oppenheimer that also does box office numbers. And that's

1177
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: just like he has the magic sauce. No one knows

1178
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 3: how he does it, and so now he's allowed to

1179
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 3: do whatever he wants. But I'm like, they should make

1180
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 3: him do something.

1181
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: They should make him do something.

1182
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 3: Like make him adapt a Little Life.

1183
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: Put a gun to his head, yeah, and make him

1184
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: adapt a Little Live, because I actually.

1185
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 3: Don't want to see him adapt the Odyssey. Sorry, Like

1186
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily. I mean, obviously I will be there

1187
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 3: day one and I'll be sneaking into the premiere and

1188
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 3: I will be taking photographs of the cast and saying,

1189
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 3: can you come on my podcast?

1190
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: No, we need to see that damn movie. The moment

1191
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 2: comes out.

1192
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 3: Of course, But I also do want him to literally

1193
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, do a clueless remake, Like do something out

1194
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 3: of the box.

1195
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: God, it would be so funny. Yeah, I agree, he

1196
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: should be.

1197
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: Forced to do something. Every once in a while, someone

1198
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 2: should get forced.

1199
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 3: I know it's the way Hollywood works is wrong, because

1200
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 3: here's what happens is if you flop, then you're putting

1201
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 3: direct put in director jail. And if you succeed it,

1202
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: then you're allowed to do whatever you want. And I'm like,

1203
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 3: where's the middle ground?

1204
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: Where's the middle ground? Whatever happened to a middle ground?

1205
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess the middle ground is like you

1206
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 3: have to direct episodes of like b Orrad Prestige series,

1207
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 3: and it's like they're all directed by like former indie directors.

1208
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true.

1209
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 3: So we want to talk about students article, we want

1210
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 3: to talk about weapons. You wanted to talk about men's wear.

1211
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: I did want to talk about I'm in a place

1212
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: where I don't know what to wear. I don't know

1213
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: what dressing up is. I don't know what fashion is.

1214
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: And this is surprising because I used to know, and

1215
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: maybe I never knew.

1216
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: I think here's the issue. I think I.

1217
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: Knew what to wear as an normal person. I know

1218
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: what to wear to a dinner party. I know how

1219
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: to slay a dinner party, and people will be like, damn,

1220
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: I love that outfit, and I'm.

1221
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 2: Like, thanks Steva.

1222
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: If I'm being photographed even slightly, I have no idea

1223
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: what to wear. Things that you think are outfits are

1224
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: not outfits when you are being photographed all of a sudden.

1225
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: So I don't feel like I have a direction.

1226
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 2: And like I don't even have I don't have a hero.

1227
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: But I like, like, I keep being like, Okay, who

1228
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: do I want to look like?

1229
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: Who do I think does it? Well?

1230
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: I'll look at famous people all day long and I go,

1231
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: not them, not them. You show me the most fashionable

1232
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: man in Hollywood and I go, he looks like a clown.

1233
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: I say, not that, And so I'm I'm quite literally lost,

1234
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,959
Speaker 1: and it reminds me. I have a friend one time

1235
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: who sorry I'm literally monologuing one time who was like

1236
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: I want a drink like that doesn't exist, and I

1237
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: was like, what do you mean? And he's like like

1238
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't want soda and I don't want juice, and

1239
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: I was like okay, but but then do you want

1240
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: like seltzer? And he's like no, like he's like, I

1241
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: want a new kind of drink, and I was like

1242
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: kombucha and he's like, no, you're not hearing me, like

1243
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: I want a different kind of drink.

1244
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: Was that friend me? Because I like think about that

1245
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 3: approximately once a day.

1246
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: No, there was a friend in college actually who really

1247
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: went on this terror.

1248
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 3: Because I'm like my white way, I feel like the

1249
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 3: I almost have this mental illness where I'm always craving

1250
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 3: a specialty drink that doesn't exist, and it like symbolizes

1251
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 3: my childhood somehow.

1252
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes I'll think an orange Gina is the nuts,

1253
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: It's never the fix, and I buy an Orangina and

1254
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: I drink and I go, this is this is wrong.

1255
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: So basically that's how I feel about fashion. And I

1256
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: don't know who to look up to or I don't

1257
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: have a compass in any way, shape or form.

1258
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 3: I know, you know, it's actually especially relevant because today

1259
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 3: Georgio Armani died. I don't know if you saw that.

1260
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 2: Oh I did not see that.

1261
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 3: Have you seen the movie American Jigglow? No, so, American

1262
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 3: Jigglow popularized the Armani suit. It's like before that, American

1263
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 3: men didn't know how to dress, and then after that

1264
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 3: it was like suddenly you were see these kind of

1265
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 3: like beautiful tailored suits everywhere. And I feel like when

1266
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 3: you look at you know, you know, one of my

1267
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 3: fashion icons, Robin Williams, when you look at like photos

1268
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 3: of Robin Williams on red carpets and you're like, God,

1269
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 3: those pleated pants are like they could be wearing him,

1270
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 3: but he's wearing them, like, you know whatever.

1271
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 2: I think it's tough. I think like where I struggle

1272
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: especially is it's like, obviously, you can wear like a

1273
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: suit and look nice. You can wear a vintage suit

1274
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 2: and it'll like look.

1275
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: Nice, But is there a way to do it without

1276
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: wearing a suit? Like I'm wanting like a little more

1277
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: play and I'm winding like a little less formality, and

1278
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: it's like your only options are like shirt, you can

1279
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: wear shirt or maybe tie, or you can wear suit.

1280
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, well I don't want any of those,

1281
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: Like I'm wanting another thing.

1282
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 3: I see what you're saying, and I actually the thing

1283
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 3: is so I think everyone wants that, And then I

1284
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 3: think the two solutions are either you really go all

1285
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 3: out and look stupid because the thing is nothing as

1286
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 3: a man, nothing is actually going to make you look

1287
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 3: as refined and as good as a suit.

1288
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1289
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 3: So you can try to do like this sleeveless thing.

1290
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 3: You can try to do unbuttoned shirt with tank. You

1291
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 3: can try to do you know, some sort of like

1292
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 3: like formal short, but you just aren't. You can be

1293
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 3: pulling it off in like a fashioning way, but you

1294
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,479
Speaker 3: simply are not going to look as good as someone

1295
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 3: in a really well tailored suit.

1296
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 2: You know what.

1297
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 3: Maybe the answer is take the l with the suit,

1298
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 3: but then go wink with either accessories or the shirt.

1299
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're right. When you're right, you're right.

1300
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 2: Or jewelry or jewelry, which.

1301
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: Ever, since having a wedding ring, I'm sort of like,

1302
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: oh I get jewelry now. Like I'm like, it's fun

1303
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: to know I have a mettle everywhere.

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01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 3: I've been wanting more.

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01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want more. So if you guys are jewelry makers,

1306
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: tend us whatever.

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01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 2: We'll wear it on the runway.

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01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 3: I mean I also think this episode, yeah, we'll right

1309
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 3: on the wrong way. This episode is very sort of

1310
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 3: ambiguously anti gay. But I have one more I have

1311
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,439
Speaker 3: one more anti gay thing to say, and I'm sorry

1312
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 3: to say this, but like, and this has been true

1313
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 3: now for a while, straight men, fashionable straight men are

1314
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 3: addressing better than fashionable gay men.

1315
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: I say, I was gonna say, you know who I

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01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: actually do kind of look up too fashion wise, who

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01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: is currently alive and currently you know.

1318
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 2: Someone in our orbit, Adam Pally.

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01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: He always is dressed so well real and he does

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01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: like suits, but he does them like in a slouchy way,

1321
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: and they like fit right, but they're not like they're

1322
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: not like super tight or anything like. He like does

1323
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: them in a cash nice way.

1324
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 3: So here's mine, Seth Rogan.

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01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 2: Well, yes, Seth Rogan looks so good. Yeah, and he's

1326
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 2: also he's also.

1327
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 3: Doing suits but in a fun way. And I'm just

1328
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 3: looking up photos of sethro You know this guy, I mean,

1329
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 3: and he's taking rit I'm seeing her a brown shirt

1330
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 3: and a green jacket looking like a damn Christmas tree.

1331
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: I have a real hang up around a suit whatever. Whatever.

1332
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 2: I just feel like I'm being like teacher, if.

1333
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 3: What about a really really beautiful sweater and then like

1334
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 3: nice plated.

1335
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 2: Pants that could be good, that could slay a new

1336
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 2: photo one day, One day I'll feel comfortable wearing a

1337
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 2: suit that day is not today.

1338
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 3: I mean, are you comfortable wearing just like a button

1339
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 3: down shirt, no jacket and pants?

1340
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: Maybe? But I'm like, how do you make that fun? Though?

1341
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 3: You want something that doesn't exist, I literally want something

1342
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 3: it doesn't exist. How do you feel about like a

1343
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 3: sort of fashion ye, scarf instead of a tie?

1344
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 2: You know my ass can't queer as scarf?

1345
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 3: No?

1346
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 2: No, you know I can't do that.

1347
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: I'm literally like And then it's like, okay, some people

1348
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: like instead of suit, will wear like a cool jacket,

1349
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: but no, I see.

1350
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 3: That like a bomber style jacket.

1351
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 2: That to me feels like a stand up comedian who

1352
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 2: is self conscious.

1353
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 3: And you're not going to do like shirt with no

1354
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 3: collar like a sort of no. I mean, and to

1355
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 3: be clear, I do agree there, I don't sure.

1356
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: With no collar reminds me of what people were wearing.

1357
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: I keep for some reason, I have something about this.

1358
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: Remember when people wearing the drop crotch pants. Yes, that

1359
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: was crazy, talk about poopy pants. That was literally like

1360
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: you had a douchie in your diaper. I was like this,

1361
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: that was so crazy.

1362
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 3: No, it's tough. I will say this. I bought a

1363
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 3: pair of sort of like pleated linen pants this summer,

1364
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 3: and I was wearing them out.

1365
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: You wore them around me at some point they look great.

1366
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 3: They I mean that was a game changer.

1367
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, those look really good.

1368
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 3: The two consequential fashion purchases I made the summer or

1369
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 3: my Fishermen sandals, this black leather pair of Fishermen sandals

1370
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 3: that were incredibly overpriced, and then my linen pants that

1371
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 3: were not overpriced then were in fact from the gap.

1372
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 2: High and low.

1373
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: I also, of course, it all goes back to nor

1374
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: first LA, where in New York you're seeing people, you're

1375
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: seeing style, you're seeing outfits. In LA, you're not seeing

1376
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: outfits the way that I've been like I need a

1377
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: new pair of shoes, Like I literally just need a

1378
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: new pair of shoes. But I'm like, oh, what would

1379
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: I possibly wear like there? I have no No one

1380
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: is like, oh, they're actually scrushing.

1381
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 2: I should do what they do.

1382
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: It's like everyone's just like wearing government issue tennis shoes

1383
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: and not slaying.

1384
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 3: You know what's in terms of your dilemma of not

1385
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 3: having a role model, this is like the tragedy of

1386
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 3: modern creator, of the modern creator economy, where It's like

1387
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 3: we've never had more people that are in many positions

1388
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 3: of power, and yet none of them are inspiring me.

1389
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.

1390
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 3: It used to be that only a certain number of

1391
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 3: people had access to beautiful clothing and beautiful products, and

1392
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 3: you know, you had to choose between the three that

1393
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 3: were available. Now, I mean, there are seemingly fifteen thousand

1394
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 3: men's wear influencers. I think they all look stupid. They

1395
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 3: do most I'm not saying I. I'm not saying I

1396
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 3: look better.

1397
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 2: I don't think I look good.

1398
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 3: But I but I'm like, what's going on.

1399
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: I've been seeing this style of internet video recently, specifically

1400
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: about LA where it'll be like how to how to

1401
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: have a night out in Los Angeles for your worst enemy,

1402
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 1: and it'll be like go to this barye sucks, And

1403
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: like I've been seeing a lot of them actually, and

1404
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: it's like we how addition or whatever, and it's sort

1405
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, there's seven restaurants in all of Los Angeles,

1406
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 1: Like you can't just say like six of them suck.

1407
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 1: It's sort of like there's one street with restaurants in

1408
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: all of Silver Lake, Like that's it. Of course you're

1409
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: gonna name those like it's not like off the beaten path,

1410
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: but this is notably You're they're all bad.

1411
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 3: You're pointing to a larger problem, which is like that

1412
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 3: kind of content, which is sort of like meme based critique,

1413
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 3: is at an all time low in terms of quality.

1414
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 3: And I think that and I think that is very

1415
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 3: related to the whole performative male thing, which is complete

1416
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 3: just mush bullshit, just like literally someone's brain leaking out

1417
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 3: of their ears and just being like, yeah, if he's

1418
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 3: reading Sally Rooney, he's performative. Like what are you talking about?

1419
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 3: How about you jump off a bridge up into the water,

1420
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 3: and I think water now. I saw one that was

1421
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 3: like so offensively stupid to me because I know that

1422
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 3: they are just proting something they think is funny, which

1423
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 3: is that there was it was like two sides and

1424
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 3: the first one was like if you like these things,

1425
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 3: and it was like boy genius Claro like work where

1426
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 3: try this And it was like applied to work at

1427
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 3: Raytheon And it's like, well, those are not related. You

1428
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 3: just heard that Raytheon is a funny thing, like is

1429
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 3: a is a sign of someone being evil? Like it's like, oh,

1430
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 3: working at raytheon is like a sign that someone is

1431
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 3: a bad person, and then you think separately that boy

1432
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 3: genius is corny, and so you just utter like to

1433
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 3: put those two completely unrelated signifiers next to one another,

1434
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 3: and you're just hoping that it'll add up to a joke.

1435
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 2: It's not. It's not, George, you're saying. That made me

1436
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 2: filled with anger. I'm furious.

1437
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: I cannot You're so right, they're so TikTok has heralded

1438
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: a new era of people hinting at humor. Yes, it

1439
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: used to be people would have bad humor at dinner

1440
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: parties and sort of parrot a joke and you would

1441
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, they're not very funny. And then now

1442
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: it's like they're posting it. They're taking their non humor

1443
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: and they're posting it. And I'm saying, let's workshop it

1444
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: a bit, hit the mics, and then you can start

1445
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 1: to post it's we need a license to commit humor.

1446
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 3: Well, of course, and it needs to be issued by

1447
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 3: Donald Trump.

1448
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 2: Well he got the humor apartment.

1449
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 3: Well, Donald Trump and Tuker Carlson. Let me tell you something.

1450
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 3: Those are two funny girls. Those are that is my

1451
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 3: Tina and Amy that's my TEENA name is Donald Trump Carlson.

1452
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 3: Let them host the Golden Globes. I will be laughing,

1453
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 3: my little ass off. Imagine the joke so I was

1454
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 3: saying about Timothy Shallomey.

1455
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm gonna laugh.

1456
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 3: No, it is it is a really it is a

1457
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 3: really big problem. To go back to Steven. I think

1458
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 3: I think there are valid critiques to Steven's article. I

1459
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 3: think there are valid critiques to everything. And also I

1460
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,719
Speaker 3: have a very particular outlook that I do not feel

1461
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 3: at all threatened by that article because it is not

1462
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 3: about me. Fine. Yeah, However, if there's one true point

1463
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 3: I want to make, it's what I said earlier, which

1464
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 3: is that, Okay, you don't like Steven's article, you write

1465
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 3: a experienced based trend piece, not about mafia girl, about

1466
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,919
Speaker 3: mafia wife aesthetic, something that is fake and never existed.

1467
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 3: Stop parroting dumb things that twelve year olds are saying.

1468
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 3: Are you do you have a brain? Go out of

1469
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 3: your house, put your phone down, see what people are doing,

1470
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 3: and write it down. Guess what your Joan didion.

1471
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 2: Damn, you're so right, You're so right. Cultural critique.

1472
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: It's it's just literally lazy people are looking at their

1473
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 1: phone saying I saw four people do this video. I

1474
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: will write about it for the New York Times. And

1475
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: it's like, what stop it?

1476
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 3: So you wanna comment on that culture, have the courage

1477
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 3: to say, Okay, I'm commenting, and here's my comment. It's

1478
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 3: fucking stupid. Stop trying to make it. Stop trying to

1479
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 3: elevate it. Stop trying when we were did you listen

1480
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 3: to this slave culture gadfest where they were talking about

1481
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 3: performative males and they were just they were just fully

1482
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 3: taking it seriously and like doing an analysis of what

1483
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 3: they think it says about gender. That's literally even worse

1484
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:52,799
Speaker 3: than just not than ignoring it. You're you're lending a credence.

1485
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 2: No, you're totally right.

1486
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,520
Speaker 3: You should say, as a smart person they have PhDs.

1487
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,560
Speaker 3: Those people you should say, as a smart person with

1488
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 3: a PhD. I think this is not worthy of my time.

1489
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is fucking stupid. That being said,

1490
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: we are The point I wanted to say is sort

1491
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: of moot because we've been we are I think literally

1492
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 1: doing it now.

1493
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:15,959
Speaker 2: Well, no, we're doing no, Okay.

1494
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: I'll say it anyway and we'll see where it lands.

1495
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: I think the problem with all these like sort of

1496
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: hater content of like this restaurant sucks, this type.

1497
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 2: Of man sucks. Yeah, is like, hey, I'm.

1498
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: Literally tired of critiques without solutions. I'm like tired of

1499
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: just being like everything sucks because it kind of like

1500
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: that's actually quite easy to be your opinion, Like I

1501
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: need to know it's so much more vulnerable be like

1502
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: this is good, what is good? Let's quit being haters, Like,

1503
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 1: of course the restaurant thirty three taps that is a

1504
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: sports gay sports bar in silver like sucks, Like it's

1505
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,799
Speaker 1: not trying to be good. You don't need to critique

1506
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: the bar thirty three taps that sell boneless chicken wings

1507
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: and puts on the Big Game, Like, hello, it's not

1508
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: to be critiqued, Like critique something that is a value,

1509
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: that is putting something out there.

1510
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 3: This is a classic defense mechanism of the intellectually unserious

1511
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,799
Speaker 3: is critiquing things that are self evidently bad and thinking

1512
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 3: you come across as smart. It's like, no, guess what

1513
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 3: my niece could have made that critique. She's eighteen months.

1514
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: Old with the right editor.

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01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 3: Are you gonna made that critique with the editing team

1516
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:33,560
Speaker 3: at New York mag Are you kidding me? You'll be

1517
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 3: front page news. I think that you are absolutely correct

1518
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 3: that it is a cop out to do critiques like that,

1519
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 3: And I would go so far as to say the

1520
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 3: other thing that I find abhorrent about it is that

1521
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 3: it's fully self hating without wanting to implicate yourself, because

1522
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 3: guess what. All those people are going to those places,

1523
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 3: they are All you're doing is going out and being like,

1524
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,959
Speaker 3: I'm disgusted with my own life, So I'm gonna critique

1525
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 3: as though I am living outside of this community and

1526
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 3: judging people you are at that restaurant. This is your

1527
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 3: entire life. Your entire life is going to these restaurants,

1528
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 3: doing these trend based activities, being on Instagram and saying

1529
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 3: the dumbest shit imaginable. You have nothing to offer, and

1530
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 3: you have the nerve to critique it. Sit your ass

1531
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 3: down and order a chicken nugget with caviar on it

1532
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 3: because you saw it on TikTok.

1533
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 2: Damn. You know.

1534
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,560
Speaker 1: I have to say, we were in a bad mood,

1535
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: and I the way that this episode is so going

1536
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:45,959
Speaker 1: off alarm, I like, IM like, we are definitely channeling

1537
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 1: our moods into whatever this is and I have to

1538
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: say I'm in heaven, I mean absolute heaven.

1539
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 2: And I feel like sort of what's.

1540
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: That movie where the guy like freaks out in traffic

1541
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: and like, is it called like falling Down or something?

1542
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:04,560
Speaker 1: And he like yells at a McDonald's employee about breakfast

1543
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 1: not being open.

1544
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 2: I love not remembering this movie.

1545
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 3: What did you say? It was called falling Down?

1546
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 2: Oh there's a movie called falling Down. Let's see.

1547
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is it Michael Douglas. He like loses his

1548
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: mind and just starts like popping off on stuff.

1549
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 2: Oh three, Wow, you were right. I was right if

1550
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 2: you should not have doubted yourself.

1551
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 3: Look at me laughing at you, laughing at you as

1552
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 3: though your aunt Gladys taking her damn wig off.

1553
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 2: It's called falling Down, and that's what.

1554
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 3: Said in Los Angeles.

1555
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: I'll bet I'll bet honey lot to pop off on

1556
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: over here.

1557
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, first of all, I have to watch that movie.

1558
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, me as well. I just want to know it culturally.

1559
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 2: He has like a famous scene.

1560
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 3: No, I agree. I think we're you know, it's important

1561
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 3: to get this out obviously. Yes, we are doing the

1562
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 3: same thing. We're accusing other people of doing. We are

1563
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 3: critiquing without offering a solution. And I think in small

1564
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 3: doses that is, you know, that is okay, But I

1565
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 3: think it has to come out. I am sorry, but

1566
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 3: you have to have a commitment to truth.

1567
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 2: You have to have a commitment to truth. Well, because

1568
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:09,759
Speaker 2: truth is beauty.

1569
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 3: Of course, truth is beauty. Yeah, And I will go

1570
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 3: this so far as to say, you also have to

1571
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 3: have separately a commitment to beauty.

1572
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: Of course, in this fucked up world. Yet you're not

1573
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,839
Speaker 1: committing to beauty, which is truth and truth beauty.

1574
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 3: If you're not committing to beauty, then you honestly, like,

1575
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 3: I need to overdose on context bills.

1576
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 1: Damn, this is when we hang up on this zoom call.

1577
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna over commit my life to beauty and truth

1578
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 1: and I cannot wait to do so. I'm gonna do

1579
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: something so fucking glamorous after this. It's going to be

1580
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: so insane. You know what I'm gonna do.

1581
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get in a fucking pool and I'm gonna

1582
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: read a book.

1583
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:57,919
Speaker 3: Oh, speaking of reading books like just super quick media consumption.

1584
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 3: By the way, for everyone listening and being like this

1585
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 3: is good, they're unhinged, like I wish they did this

1586
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 3: more often we do, bitch. It's called twice a month

1587
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 3: on Patreon, and you all you have to do is

1588
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 3: pay five dollars a month for it. So if you

1589
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 3: want to hear me having a full on mental breakdown

1590
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 3: multiple times a month, then that's what you need to do.

1591
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 3: And it's called patreon dot com slash Straighter Lab. But

1592
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 3: I want to know what book you're reading.

1593
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 2: I'm currently reading The Shards by Brett Easton Ellis.

1594
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 3: So here's a question for you. Have you read any

1595
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 3: other Brett eastern Elis?

1596
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 2: I have not.

1597
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 3: Okay, have you seen any adaptations.

1598
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 2: Of his work? I've seen American Psycho Okay.

1599
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 3: I've read Less than Zero and Rules of Attraction, but

1600
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 3: a very long time ago, like in my early twenties maybe, yeah,

1601
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 3: early twenties, I don't think high school and I liked

1602
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 3: both of them at the time. I have not revisited them,

1603
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 3: you know, as as an adult. I will say Rules

1604
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 3: of Attraction the movie.

1605
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 2: Have you seen that? No?

1606
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 3: When I first watched it in high school, it was

1607
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,839
Speaker 3: incredibly formative and the way that, like you know, Requiem

1608
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 3: for a Dream is formative, like if you watch it

1609
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 3: at the right age, it's with you because it's like

1610
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 3: about adult themes. Unfortunately, I tried to watch it again

1611
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 3: as an adult, and it is a bit clunkier than

1612
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 3: I remembered. But you know, my good friend Jessica Biel

1613
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 3: is actually incredible in it, And of course I've seen

1614
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 3: American Psychoone love it. But I have not kept up

1615
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 3: with Brett Easton Ellis, and I know that he's a

1616
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 3: real sort of folk hero among the among the how

1617
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 3: Long Gone class, and so I'm very excited to read

1618
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 3: the chards. I've heard great things from a bunch of

1619
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 3: different people. I know someone in the writer's room for

1620
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:33,719
Speaker 3: the TV.

1621
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,799
Speaker 2: Adaptation, and we both do.

1622
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 3: No, it's I don't know who you're talking about. I

1623
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 3: know someone else that you don't know, but I would

1624
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 3: love to know who.

1625
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 2: You know? Well, Charles Rogers, isn't it?

1626
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:43,759
Speaker 3: Oh my god? Fun?

1627
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, who do you know? We can bleep these names, but.

1628
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 3: No, we don't have to bleep them. I guess I

1629
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 3: won't say her last name, but a friend of mine,

1630
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 3: her name is Julie. She's in it. Oh, okay, she's

1631
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 3: a she's she used to be a writer, like a

1632
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 3: you know, magazine writer and has gone into TV. Oh

1633
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 3: and she's very bright, very smart, very cool, very funny.

1634
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,560
Speaker 2: Love that. Yeah. I was talking to Charles and he

1635
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 2: was talking about it, and I was like, wait, I

1636
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 2: never read that book. And then I was in the

1637
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 2: bookstore and I was like, what do I read? And

1638
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, maybe I'll try it before the

1639
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 2: show comes out.

1640
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 3: I'm I do, I do really want to read it

1641
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 3: because a lot of people have recommended it to me.

1642
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 3: I am wanting to read the Sally Rooney that came

1643
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 3: out last year that I never read.

1644
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you started it or you were just? Well?

1645
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 3: I did? I mean I read the you know, the

1646
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 3: an excerpt of it ran in the New York or

1647
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 3: a while ago, and I read it, so that's probably

1648
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 3: the first like twenty pages. But no, I have not

1649
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 3: properly started it.

1650
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 2: What did you read when you were in Greece?

1651
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 3: I well, okay, first of all, I read the book

1652
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 3: Matthew Co wrote that is out this week. Oh so,

1653
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 3: Matthew Co wrote a book called They All Came to Barney's.

1654
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,799
Speaker 3: It is a memoir written by the former CEO of Barney's,

1655
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 3: the department store, Carrie Bradshaw's fvorite department store for any

1656
01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 3: second that any gal's out there. And I read that

1657
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 3: and it was obviously incredible, and I actually was so

1658
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 3: glad I read it before Georgia Armani died, because now

1659
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 3: I know so much about Georgia Romani, who Barney's brought

1660
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 3: to America. Barneys was the first story that carried Armani

1661
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 3: in the United States. It was one of their big discoveries.

1662
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 3: And then there's this whole other section. You know, I

1663
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 3: don't know enough about Japanese fashion, but I'm interested in it.

1664
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 3: And there's this other section about how they brought a

1665
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 3: bunch of the big Japanese designers to America, like Conte

1666
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:33,560
Speaker 3: de Garsan and Yogi and like Asimiyaki and all those people. Interesting,

1667
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 3: which is very interesting to learn about. So I read that.

1668
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 3: I read this other book that I had started a

1669
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 3: while ago in Abandoned called ex Wife. It's about a

1670
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 3: woman who gets a divorce in the nineteen twenties, like

1671
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 3: during Prohibition, and it's literally like Sex and the City,

1672
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,919
Speaker 3: but in the nineteen twenties, like she is a divorcee

1673
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 3: and then starts living with this other divorcee whose name

1674
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,679
Speaker 3: is Lucia, and they're like always going out and meeting

1675
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 3: guys and like sort of debating the ins and outs

1676
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 3: of like what is liberation? What is which of the

1677
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 3: things we're doing our liberatory versus like embarrassing. It's like,

1678
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 3: is it bad that I'm like kissing a different man

1679
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 3: every night? Or is it something to be proud of?

1680
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 3: And it's very like very contemporary, like it doesn't feel

1681
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 3: like you're reading a period piece. So those are the

1682
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 3: two books I read. I just you finished all fours?

1683
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 3: Did you like it? Okay?

1684
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 2: I loved it. I thought it was so great.

1685
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 3: You need to read her first novel. It's so good

1686
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 3: the first first.

1687
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 2: I want to. I want to.

1688
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: People keep commenting on our totech clip the first Bad Man.

1689
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:35,759
Speaker 3: Wait, really yeah?

1690
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 2: And I don't know the connection. Oh my god, I.

1691
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 3: Don't even remember. I mean, I read it song, I

1692
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 3: don't even remember. Uh, I don't even remember what the

1693
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 3: connection will be. I just remember I cried on a

1694
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 3: plane while reading that book.

1695
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 2: Oh I love that.

1696
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 3: And actually her her book of short stories is also amazing.

1697
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 2: Somebody commented kubelco Bondie and I googled that and it's

1698
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 2: from that book. Got it?

1699
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:58,839
Speaker 3: Okay? Maybe I'll reread it. I've been wanting to reread

1700
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 3: this book that was super formative for me called satn

1701
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 3: Island by Tom McCarthy, and it's about an anthropologist that

1702
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 3: sets out to do an ethnography of the entire world,

1703
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 3: but then it gets weird. Oh I don't remember the details,

1704
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 3: but I I'm in a mood where I'm like, I

1705
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 3: want to check in on things that I thought were

1706
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 3: good ten years ago and see how I've grown versus

1707
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 3: how I've not grown. Yeah, it's like how I always

1708
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 3: have to rewatch the movie Adaptation, which was my favorite

1709
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 3: movie in high school, and every time I'm like, yeah,

1710
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:31,879
Speaker 3: it still slaps.

1711
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's how i'ment with Austin Powers.

1712
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.

1713
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 2: It's been an amazing episode.

1714
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 3: This has been an amazing episode. Wait, I wanted to

1715
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 3: address the US Open thing.

1716
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, were you you posted? Okay?

1717
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 3: So I just I posted as a joke that I

1718
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 3: was a FIA partner and that's how I got my

1719
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 3: US Open tickets. And I thought it was clear that

1720
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 3: it was a joke because I use the hashtag own

1721
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 3: your Faiya, which I made up, and I also thought

1722
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 3: it was clearly there was a joke because I had

1723
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 3: self evidently very bad seats if you looked at my photo.

1724
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 3: And I don't think if Faye was sending influencers to

1725
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 3: the US Open, they would put them in section three

1726
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 3: twenty one. But you know, people tell themselves stories in

1727
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 3: order to live, and people view Instagram stories and believe

1728
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 3: them in order to live. And so multiple people to

1729
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 3: the point where I'm now no longer replying to each

1730
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 3: of them individually, thought that I was being serious, and

1731
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 3: I want to just address the big rumors and say

1732
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 3: I'm actually I paid for those tickets out of pocket

1733
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 3: and I'm not a FI A partner.

1734
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: See, there's a few things going on here totally. One

1735
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: is people do want to believe. People want to believe,

1736
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 1: first of all, that everyone is famous. Everyone wants to

1737
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: believe that somebody like everyone wants to look up to somebody.

1738
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: So people are like, oh, George is a FI A partner.

1739
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 2: This is amazing.

1740
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: That's my dream, always in my dream, and George's living

1741
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: my dream. People want other people to be living their dream.

1742
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: They want to be jealous, so it's like wow. Another

1743
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: thing that's going on is sort of you and I

1744
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: both do this where we think we are.

1745
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 2: Flops.

1746
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 1: We think we're like, obviously, the joke here is that

1747
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm successful, and it's like, that's not shout out to IO.

1748
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 1: At your wedding, she was like, somebody was telling me

1749
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: that somebody listens to a podcast that lives in Massachusetts,

1750
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, whoa they do? How do they

1751
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 1: hear about it? And I always like, you still think

1752
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 1: you're like not successful? And I was like, oh damn,

1753
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 1: you kind of clocked me a bit.

1754
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I obviously I know what you

1755
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 3: are saying, but I'm sorry. I do think that me

1756
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 3: being in like the very back row and thinking FAYA

1757
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 3: is a little more obvious than you're giving your credit for.

1758
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 1: I think that if you told me today that you

1759
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: were a fiy A partner and they were doing this

1760
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: weird thing where they're sending you to the Open, I

1761
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: would say, okay, I would say that makes sense.

1762
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 3: George, Okay. I do think. I do think it is

1763
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 3: true that influencer culture is run a mock, has run

1764
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 3: a mock so much that like when I tell you,

1765
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 3: like over thirty people I know were sent to the

1766
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 3: US Open for free, am I one of them? No?

1767
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 2: Somehow, But like thirst Spot.

1768
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 3: It's just crazy, Like I'm like, and they're sponsored by

1769
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,799
Speaker 3: the Bo's random. It's like a mom and pop store

1770
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 3: that sells, you know, recycled bags, is sending you to

1771
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 3: see Naomi Osaka. Okay, but I do want to say

1772
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 3: one thing. You know, all jokes aside, I would like

1773
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 3: a brand to pay for me to go to the

1774
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 3: US Open, And I actually don't think it should be

1775
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 3: that hard. I'm a very famous and beautiful podcaster and

1776
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 3: I'm on record as loving tennis way longer than all

1777
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 3: these fake fans that are like learning the rules on

1778
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,839
Speaker 3: the spot because they were invited to go by Tiffany.

1779
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 1: The thing is, you know, maybe they fear you because

1780
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 1: they know that you can't not be truthful, and you

1781
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: know they need someone who will be a mouthpiece for

1782
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: the brand, and they know that you have such amazing

1783
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 1: morals that you can't possibly hide your own opinions in

1784
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 1: favor of the brand.

1785
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 3: You know what, though, honestly, other than like I'm trying

1786
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 3: to think what what sponsors the use of and are

1787
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 3: evil most of them, I'd be like really willing to

1788
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 3: shill for like Faiya, I eat every day American Express.

1789
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 3: I'll get an American I'm a chaste girl, but I'll

1790
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 3: get an American Express card. Like what's credit card? Literally,

1791
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 3: no problem, Ralph Lauren, are you kidding me? I love

1792
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 3: a polo.

1793
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 2: I love a polo. Oh, Like I.

1794
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 3: Wouldn't even have any moral qualms about sponsors. Just get

1795
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 3: in touch.

1796
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:48,839
Speaker 1: That's that's true. I think you should invoice Faye.

1797
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna invoice them, and I'm gonna say, you know,

1798
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 3: I did do free press for.

1799
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: You, because people believe me, you even did copywriting. You

1800
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: invented their new hashtag.

1801
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like if it's taking off, people are also.

1802
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 3: They have never it's like, okay, I'm gay in Greek

1803
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 3: like faiya. It's a joke that it looks like fag

1804
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 3: Like you're never going to take advantage of that.

1805
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 2: See.

1806
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 1: I'm actually so glad you were saying it because I

1807
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 1: had no idea how to say it, because I was like, faggy, Well.

1808
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 2: It could be could be live life faggy, Live life faggy.

1809
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:21,759
Speaker 3: That's the new hashtag.

1810
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 2: That's new hashtag. Well, yeah, you should invoice them at

1811
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 2: least the price of the ticket, because you did do

1812
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 2: promo while you were there, to your very eager fan base.

1813
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 3: I know, and you know I had a really amazing

1814
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 3: time at the YUSAP, and I want to say I

1815
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 3: love tennis and I love going there and work. I'll

1816
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 3: make you go with me one of these years. Well

1817
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 3: not for you know, we're not going to pay for it.

1818
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 2: Obviously, we're gonna look the cost will make us go together,

1819
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 2: Let's hope. So, let's hope.

1820
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 1: So it does feel talk about there's always something where

1821
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, it's everybody.

1822
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 3: But us, Like I know, I can't.

1823
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, so.

1824
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: Everybody got that but us. I'm like, so even like

1825
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: something so stupid, like an ad for say, say just

1826
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: as a placeholder Castro mattresses, and like so it's like

1827
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 1: sort of a joke that everyone gets to do this

1828
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: ad and we don't. We're the only podcast in the

1829
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 1: honor if we don't do that. I'm like so like

1830
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: so Everlane is like we're the only podcasters Everline doesn't like, like,

1831
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: what's the deal with that? Like, I don't get wrong,

1832
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't I've never had Everlaine.

1833
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1834
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess what I'll send you to better help.

1835
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 3: I'll lie and say it's the same as therapy. I

1836
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 3: don't give a shit.

1837
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck.

1838
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 1: So so you're telling me Quince to just listen to us,

1839
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: and was like, not them, Like what's the deal?

1840
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 2: Like what did we say?

1841
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 3: Remember early on when we were asked to list like

1842
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 3: brands we would be willing to collab with, and we

1843
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 3: like really took it so serious, and we're like, I

1844
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 3: think Patagonia, that's like, they're not gonna advertise with us.

1845
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: I love when we do stuff like that because and

1846
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 1: then it's just like never happens. God, life is so beautiful.

1847
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to Panda In

1848
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 1: a restaurant in Glendale. It is I would say it's

1849
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 1: like a PF Chang's. It's sort of like mal Chinese food.

1850
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: But there's something about a restaurant that is not fans

1851
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 1: or not not actually innovative but pretending to be fancy

1852
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 1: that I find so charming in a sort of suburban way.

1853
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 1: I feel at home when I am in this panda In.

1854
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 1: I have been twice in the last month, and it's

1855
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: right by the movie theater. So I go to panda In,

1856
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: then I go see an amazing movie or vice versa,

1857
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 1: depending on this time of the film. And I know

1858
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: we didn't say we're gonna do shout outs, but I

1859
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: just no, I love the spirit took me and I

1860
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:48,879
Speaker 1: felt like I needed.

1861
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 3: To shout out, Pandama, that is beautiful. And I want

1862
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 3: to give a shout out to the original bridge of

1863
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 3: Jones's Diary, which I rewatched on the plane back. Have

1864
01:30:58,400 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 3: you watched it recently?

1865
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 2: I did. I watched it on a plane within the year.

1866
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 3: Were you not in heaven?

1867
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 2: No, it's to die for, It's actually to die for.

1868
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 3: Sorry, But like, and I'll end on this. I will

1869
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 3: personally on on this. You can you can keep talking

1870
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 3: of you on, but this is the last thing I'll

1871
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 3: say because I feel myself, you know, I feel the

1872
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 3: meaning of my words being separated from the words themselves

1873
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 3: as I'm speaking. Of course, something happens at the end,

1874
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 3: which I think is so emblematic of the decline of

1875
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 3: rom com since then. And this is what happens. They've

1876
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 3: made up, they've kissed, they've confessed to left to each other.

1877
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 3: He finds her diary, and the diary has insults about

1878
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 3: him from when she first met him. It's like he's

1879
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 3: an idiot, like he's so pretentious, he's so annoying. And

1880
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 3: then he's like, oh rock Ben and then leaves and

1881
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 3: starts walking away. She realizes what happened, she goes to

1882
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:50,679
Speaker 3: chase him. She finds him, and she goes, I didn't

1883
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 3: mean all that stuff, like I'm so sorry. He goes, oh,

1884
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 3: I know, I was just getting you in you diary.

1885
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 3: Now here's what's going on there. Two things are happening.

1886
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:02,679
Speaker 3: It's an incredible moment for his character because he's showing

1887
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 3: that he has a sense of humor and is caring

1888
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,759
Speaker 3: and is also of course buying her a diary aka

1889
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 3: empowering her to keep telling her story as a female creator.

1890
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:15,639
Speaker 3: But the other thing is, in today's world, that character

1891
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 3: would be offended by what was in the diary.

1892
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 1: You're so right, there's no respect. There's no respect for people,

1893
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 1: like people think we are too fucking exacted to see

1894
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:30,640
Speaker 1: a character and like think they would act reasonably. Like

1895
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 1: that movie is like, actually, you're smart. We think you're smart.

1896
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 3: Yes, he's a smart person, And it is playing with

1897
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 3: the audience and expectators because the audience is like, oh

1898
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 3: my god, how could he believe that? Come on, can't

1899
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 3: he see it and it's like, yes, you're right, he

1900
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 3: did see it.

1901
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 2: You're right.

1902
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 3: That would be literally the instigating like inciting incident in

1903
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 3: a current Netflix movie would be like someone reading a

1904
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 3: diary and being offended.

1905
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 2: Someone needs to take Netflix down.

1906
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 3: Enough is enough.

1907
01:32:56,720 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 1: We need somebody Trump do something like we have to

1908
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 1: get Netflix out of office. This is crazy what they

1909
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 1: are doing to our culture.

1910
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 3: No, it's really, it's really fucked up.

1911
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 2: It's really fucked up.

1912
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 1: It's so deeply fucked up. Like I can't believe we're

1913
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 1: just gonna like a fifteen year block. Hopefully it's only

1914
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: fifteen years where we're gonna look at media and go ooh, like, yeah,

1915
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: I was a Netflix era.

1916
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 2: Oh sucks. Yeah.

1917
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 3: And by the way, while we're at it, if you

1918
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 3: in any way, if you in any way boosted Love

1919
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 3: Island USA, if you in any way spoke about it,

1920
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 3: shared a meme, you know, talked about it in your

1921
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,719
Speaker 3: little group chats. You have blood on your hands.

1922
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you should be ashamed. You should be ashamed.

1923
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 3: You should you want to go a b. You are

1924
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 3: a book burner. You are a Florida based book burner

1925
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 3: up every day and you burn to kill a Mockingbird.

1926
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 3: That's what you're doing when you watch Love Island.

1927
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 1: You think you're innocent because you voted for Kamala. You're

1928
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 1: not innocent. You are part of the problem. You probably

1929
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 1: didn't even know how to vote for Kamala. Illiterate bitch,

1930
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 1: bitch christ fuck right.

1931
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 2: Fuck. I hate the fire inside of me today.

1932
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 3: I know it's crazy. I can't believe I have to

1933
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 3: go to an event after this.

1934
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 2: I don't know how I'm gonna get this out. I

1935
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:28,719
Speaker 2: need to go be insane somewhere.

1936
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 3: You should go do some g.

1937
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 1: God, the image of the muscle bear in the dark

1938
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:39,679
Speaker 1: room with the Apple Watch going.

1939
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 2: Off, I was like, yeah, this is fucking bleak. I

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Speaker 2: know everyone's support New York Magazine.

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Speaker 3: You know what else I want to say? Actually, I

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Speaker 3: thought to myself, is it a cop out that Stephen

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Speaker 3: didn't end up trying g as part of the article?

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Speaker 3: And I decided no, I think he did the right

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Speaker 3: I actually think it's good to bring back a certain

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Speaker 3: level of like journalistic distance.

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Speaker 2: You're right, you're right not to be. It would have

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Speaker 2: been more gackery if he had done it himself.

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Speaker 3: Yes and no, it's like it would have been more

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Speaker 3: like you know, Tom Wolf like or not. That's actually

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Speaker 3: the wrong reference, but it would have been more gonzo

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Speaker 3: of course. Yeah, but I almost think the ethos of

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Speaker 3: Gacker was to sort of sneer at at at at

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Speaker 3: people in this I.

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Speaker 2: Guess I'm thinking about Kate Katie Weaver going.

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Speaker 3: Fridays, going to going to Yeah, teacher Fridays.

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Speaker 2: Classic, what a classic piece, I know.

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Speaker 3: And TV T ride in that train up, Mama.

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Speaker 1: I love all, love, nothing but love to everyone who's

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Speaker 1: ever written for Gawker. Shout out to everyone who's ever

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Speaker 1: written for Gaker.

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Speaker 3: Literally, shout out to Cory Seka, Shout out to everyone that.

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Speaker 2: You know wrote all about the issues out to oh god,

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Speaker 2: all these names. Shout out to writers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to writers. You know. I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna write something soon.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna write. I can feel this Google dot cooking the.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna get a Google doc copen and I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: say chapter one and then it's off.

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Speaker 2: To the races.

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Speaker 3: We open on fucking Penis in Asshole, Penis du vaginea.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, love that fucking movie.

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Speaker 3: Well, I can't wait to see you in New York.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to be there. I can't believe

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Speaker 1: we just recorded for an hour and forty.

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Speaker 2: Minutes just us. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Just when you think we have nothing to talk about,

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Speaker 1: I literally and part of me is like, damn, I

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Speaker 1: want to keep going. Like I'm like, I know we

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Speaker 1: need to end, and you literally have an event to

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Speaker 1: go to, as you always do.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, I have fucking nothing going on. I'm gonna sit

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Speaker 2: in my house.

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Speaker 3: That's not true. I'm sure you have a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: I have nothing going on. I need to be back

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Speaker 2: in New York. I know it's just not rights.

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Speaker 3: I'm honestly proud of myself for not bringing it up

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Speaker 3: more because it is my instinct to bring it up more.

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Speaker 3: But I know that, like, you can't do anything about

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Speaker 3: it right now, so it wouldn't help for me to

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Speaker 3: be talking about it all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, see you in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be you know, you're literally coming in

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Speaker 3: a week.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh, thank god, thank god.

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Speaker 3: In conclusion, we are on tour and you can see

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Speaker 3: us in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, and Los Angeles in

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Speaker 3: late September early October. Look up those dates at linktree

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Speaker 3: dot com. Slash Stradia Lab and we're going to Vegas,

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Speaker 3: and we're going to Vegas. Those first dates are all

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Speaker 3: stand up dates. Vegas is actually going to be a

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Speaker 3: straighter Lab show, like a live straighter Lab date, and

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Speaker 3: that is I want to say October fifteenth.

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Speaker 2: I think that's correct.

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Speaker 3: You can find it on our link tree, and please

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Speaker 3: subscribe to Patreon for two extra episodes month if you

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Speaker 3: like what you heard today at patreon dot com. Slash

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Speaker 3: Radio Lab and if you are a brand, I would

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Speaker 3: like to go to the US Open next year.

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Speaker 2: And I would pretty much.

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Speaker 1: Love to have any advertisers hop in. I just feel

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Speaker 1: it's literally like you know, I'm you know, we we

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Speaker 1: cope and we say we're doing this because we don't

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Speaker 1: do it with ads like that because we're like so

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Speaker 1: punk rock or so edgy.

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Speaker 2: It's not true.

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Speaker 1: They just never ask us, and so we cope by

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Speaker 1: saying we're at punk rock and edgy and just don't

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Speaker 1: do adreads.

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Speaker 3: And I just want to say, if you work in

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Speaker 3: PR and have a client that you think would be

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Speaker 3: good for this podcast that isn't fucking annoying and stupid

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Speaker 3: and basic, and get in touch.

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Speaker 1: I would like to actually challenge all people in PR

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Speaker 1: to have some ethics in who you work with, because

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Speaker 1: not you should. You should get an email that says

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Speaker 1: I will pay you thirty thousand dollars for you to

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Speaker 1: be my publicist for the next three and you should

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Speaker 1: say I've looked at your work and it's not worth

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Speaker 1: promoting yet. I looked at your work and it fucking sucks.

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Speaker 2: But thank you for the email.

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Speaker 1: I bet next time next keep working on yourself and

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Speaker 1: I'll love to support you in the future.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you do end up taking on a

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Speaker 3: client and write that email to send out on mass,

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Speaker 3: I want you to take one look at it and

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Speaker 3: ask yourself, why is the seven paragraphs? When was the

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Speaker 3: last time I received an email that was seven paragraphs?

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Speaker 3: Is it normal for emails to be seven paragraphs? Is

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Speaker 3: that kind of how the form usually works? Or is

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Speaker 3: it usually like one paragraph or even two short ones?

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Speaker 1: And we don't need We just simply don't need paragraphs

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Speaker 1: at all. We need maybe what they're promoting and maybe

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Speaker 1: links to previous work.

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Speaker 2: That's literally it. And honestly, even that, we're probably gonna

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Speaker 2: say no.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, But damn, what is wrong with us today?

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Speaker 3: I don't know this is crazy. We're going to be canceled.

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Speaker 3: This season is not happening.

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Speaker 2: We're just we're walking it back. We're walking it back.

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Speaker 3: When I say canceled, by the way, I'm not being

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Speaker 3: a canceled culture joke. I mean literally canceled like a

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Speaker 3: TV show is.

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Speaker 2: Canceled, like how a TV shows.

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Speaker 3: And I would never stoop so low as to uh

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Speaker 3: go Bill mahr mode, So dropping that down.

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Speaker 2: He's going mar mode, folks.

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Speaker 3: You know, uh, Woody Allen was on Bill Maher's podcast

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Speaker 3: the same day Ronan Pharaoh was on Monica Lewinsky's podcast.

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Speaker 3: So make of that what you will.

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Speaker 2: What is the deal with what? You know? Who?

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Speaker 3: We had on Joe Fire's Down.

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Speaker 1: Joe fucking Firestone, folks, Joe Fucking Firestone, rest in Peach.

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Speaker 4: Rest in peaches, y'all, Georgia are money. Oh he sees

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Speaker 4: in that big, big, beautiful peach in the sky. Now

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Speaker 4: that's a peach, beautiful peachless guy. He looks so fucking iconic.

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Speaker 4: He's tailored to the gods. All right, restom peach.

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Speaker 2: Restom peach xoxo, Sam and.

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Speaker 3: George podcast and is now want more? Subscribe to our

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Speaker 3: Patreon for two extra episodes a month, discord access and

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Speaker 3: more by heading to patreon dot com. Slash Stradio Lab.

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Speaker 2: And for all our visual earners, free full length video

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Speaker 2: episodes are available on.

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Speaker 3: Our YouTube now. Get Back to Work.

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Speaker 2: Stradia Lab is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money

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Speaker 2: Players Network and iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Created and hosted by George Severs and Sam Taggart.

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Speaker 2: Executive produced by Will Ferrell, Hans Soni and Olivia Aguilar.

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Speaker 3: Co produced by Bei Wang, Edited.

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Speaker 2: And engineered by Adam Avalos.

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Speaker 3: Artwork by Michael Failes and Matt Grubb. Theme music by

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Speaker 3: Ben Kling