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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcast. Lazar and Alex.

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Speaker 1: Oh, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 2: Joined has always Dad. Here is Evan, Lazar and Alex cars.

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Speaker 1: What incentive is there for the Raiders to throw the

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Speaker 1: ball in the scambodies zero? I would not be surprised

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Speaker 1: the Rams come out run the ball thirty sometimes if

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Speaker 1: the Patriots opened the door for him. The Bill showed

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Speaker 1: that just because you're behind multiple scores on the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't mean you need to stop running the football.

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Speaker 1: So this is where you're gonna have a chance, hopefully

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Speaker 1: like Patriot Dian in early lead, you're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: chance to kind of write the wrongs from last week

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Speaker 1: because in Beery Down twenty one nothing you should stop

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Speaker 1: the Ravens take the same philosophy. If they fall behind, well.

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Speaker 2: You're pretty much right.

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Speaker 1: I think they kind of.

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Speaker 2: They think they dropped back twenty two times in this game.

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Speaker 1: So I was half right when I said there's no

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Speaker 1: implied with Derek Henry. At no point did I consider

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Speaker 1: a that's another point of common.

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Speaker 2: One second, I gotta I forgot to tweet out the show.

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Speaker 1: You forgot to tweet out, you forgot to tweet out

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Speaker 1: the show, everybody. I forgot to go to tweet out.

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Speaker 1: That's why I wait until Patriots dot Com tweets it,

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Speaker 2: And I usually tweet like ten minutes before I tweet

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Speaker 2: It's been it's been a little busy the last couple

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Speaker 2: of days, a little busy. Hello, Hi, Evan Lazar, Alex Barth,

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Speaker 2: Patriots Catch twenty two, Alex behind the Glass, Happy Holidays,

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Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, which feels weird coming from us, but Marry Christmas,

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Speaker 2: Happy New Year, you know, all that good stuff. Christmas

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Speaker 2: Eve show here for you guys, and we're gonna keep

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Speaker 2: it to football, and as we always do on this program,

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Speaker 2: and we are going to talk about this Ravens game.

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Speaker 2: But before we do that, there was a ton of news.

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Speaker 1: Leave it to you know. I'm filming on the radio

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Speaker 1: bunch this week. And so yesterday wasn't. I was like,

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Speaker 1: like good day to take it easy before like I'm

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Speaker 1: the one that like, oh it's Christmas. Wow, my work

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Speaker 2: the stuff that gets to be and break down this

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Speaker 2: That happened yesterday really just a ton of it.

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Speaker 1: to keep him, And it really tells you to your point.

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Speaker 1: He's a restricted free agent, yes, so they didn't have

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Speaker 1: So you can restricted for agent for a year.

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Speaker 2: Right, So they were able to lock him up. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well the NBA has the never it's a separate conversation.

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Speaker 2: just pay for a championship.

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Speaker 1: And another place, facilities, coaches, things like that. But that's

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Speaker 1: not I just think it's I wish it was just

439
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Speaker 1: five million dollar contract, five million dollar cap hit.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's let's not let's move on from that,

441
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Speaker 2: there there's a you know, there's some Pro Bowl you

442
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Speaker 2: know snubs. You know the Patriots of twelve and three,

443
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Speaker 2: they only have two Pro bowlers. The biggest one is

444
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Speaker 2: definitely Marcus Jones as a as a returner. But Jamiri

445
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Speaker 2: Dka returns kickoffs and punts for the Titans and does

446
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,120
Speaker 2: it both well, and Marcus Jones just a punt returner.

447
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 2: So Marcus Jones matched Chamiri dk in terms of punt

448
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Speaker 2: return production, but Jamiri Dkay also on top of that,

449
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Speaker 2: has all of his kickoff return production.

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Speaker 1: Do you make a case for Marcus Jones to make

451
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Speaker 1: it as a corner too?

452
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Speaker 2: I think you make a case. I don't think it's

453
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Speaker 2: a good enough one, but I think you can make

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Speaker 2: a case. There's only three, right.

455
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, And you know you got Stingley,

456
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Speaker 1: you got Sir Tan. I don't know who the Gonzales stuh.

457
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, I guess, like, could you argue that Marcus

458
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Speaker 2: Jones has had a better year than Gonzalez? I guess

459
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Speaker 2: you could, But I don't think that that's gonna You're

460
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Speaker 2: not gonna win that argument, I don't think all right. Anyways,

461
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Speaker 2: So the snubs were you know, kind of going to

462
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Speaker 2: the the negati here a little bit on my list

463
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Speaker 2: the snubs Marcus Jones, which we just said that is

464
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Speaker 2: in some ways kind of a technicality because there's only

465
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Speaker 2: one returner for both punts and kickoffs, and like I said,

466
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Speaker 2: DK does both. The other one that I thought was

467
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Speaker 2: a little bit sneaky. I got some pushback about this too.

468
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Speaker 2: Hunter Henry, I think was in the running for a

469
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Speaker 2: tight end.

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Speaker 1: Now.

471
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Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey has the Taylor Swift vote, which obviously helps

472
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Speaker 2: him with the fan vote, but he had a really

473
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Speaker 2: good season he did. I actually think that he was

474
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Speaker 2: worthy of being in the Pro Bowl. Brock Bauers is

475
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Speaker 2: the other AFC tight end who matched Hunter Henry in

476
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Speaker 2: twelve games, but he only played twelve games, you know,

477
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Speaker 2: and so I think that that's different in terms of,

478
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Speaker 2: you know, the advanced metrics. I actually could make a

479
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Speaker 2: pretty good case for Hunter Henry being like a top

480
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Speaker 2: five tight end in the NFL this year because a

481
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Speaker 2: lot of his production comes on third down, you know,

482
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Speaker 2: red zone targets, like big kind of high leverage type

483
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Speaker 2: of plays that swing games. So I thought Hunter Henry

484
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Speaker 2: was a little bit of a snub. This year as well.

485
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Speaker 2: Did you have any other ones? I didn't really feel

486
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Speaker 2: too strongly about anybody else being on here.

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Speaker 1: I mean there were some guys and you go, and

488
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Speaker 1: I think it's important you go look at who else

489
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Speaker 1: is there? Like you know in my mind because I

490
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Speaker 1: was looking at who is up there in the voting. Yeah,

491
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Speaker 1: initially and like okay, like who are they up against?

492
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Speaker 1: Like who was it that I saw? I was like,

493
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I could see it. And then I looked

494
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Speaker 1: at who else was there? But like Andy Burgallis I

495
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Speaker 1: think at one point was the second kicker in the AFC.

496
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Speaker 1: But you look at what Keymie Fairbairn has done this year,

497
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Speaker 1: and like, okay, I get it. Julian Ashby at one

498
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Speaker 1: point was the top vote getter for long snappers in

499
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Speaker 1: the AFC, and then I guess that changed.

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Speaker 2: So the voting, I'm gonna get this wrong, but the

501
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Speaker 2: voting that they put out, yeah, they're weekly voting. It

502
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Speaker 2: doesn't tabulate all the votes, Okay, So I'm pretty sure

503
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Speaker 2: that that is just the ballots that get submitted Patriots

504
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: NFL dot com. All of the hashtag Pro Bowl votes

505
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Speaker 2: get counted later on. So that's why you saw a

506
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Speaker 2: lot of like crazy swings, like Josh Allen jumped Drake May.

507
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 2: Drake May was leading the Pro Bowl vote the entire

508
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Speaker 2: way and then somehow Josh Allen jumped him at the

509
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Speaker 2: last second. A lot of that has to do with

510
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Speaker 2: with that, with the with like the social media votes

511
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Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. Fair enough, all right,

512
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Speaker 2: Pro Bowl, that's Pro Bowl. On the negative side of

513
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Speaker 2: the injuries the Patriots, we'll find out later today. I

514
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Speaker 2: think this is one of the more interesting practices of

515
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Speaker 2: the season from this perspective because now that we found

516
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Speaker 2: out that Jared Wilson is also in concussion protocol. There

517
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Speaker 2: were ten different guys that visited the medical tent on

518
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Speaker 2: Sunday night, and now you are nine different guys that

519
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Speaker 2: visit the medical tent, and now Jared Wilson makes it ten.

520
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Speaker 2: And that's just the ones that we know of right now.

521
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Speaker 2: So the Patriots have all sorts of injuries. It sounds

522
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Speaker 2: like as Tonga's regular season might be over. Ian Rappaport

523
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 2: reported that that's a one to two week injury. I

524
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Speaker 2: don't see any reason to push it, you know, against

525
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Speaker 2: the Jets and the Dolphins. So my guess is that

526
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Speaker 2: we're going to see him in the playoffs, first round

527
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: of the playoffs or Patriots first game of the playoffs.

528
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Speaker 2: But the other big ones are these guys in concussion

529
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Speaker 2: protocol because the percentage is low, you know, twenty five

530
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Speaker 2: to thirty percent. I think it is of guys that

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Speaker 2: get put in the protocol and then play the following week.

532
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Speaker 2: So Trevon Henderson, Kaishawn Boody, Jared Wilson. So there's a

533
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Speaker 2: really really high percentage chance that the Patriots will play

534
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Speaker 2: the Jets without those three players. Now the Jets think

535
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Speaker 2: so it's not.

536
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Speaker 1: Should be able to beat the Chests without those guys.

537
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Speaker 2: Yes, But but just in terms of roster management and

538
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: how this all shakes out, you know, they did sign Mitchell.

539
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, Elijah Mitchell be available, might

540
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Speaker 1: have to play in this game. Elijah Mitchell being available

541
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Speaker 1: this time of year, and he just got cut I think, yeah,

542
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: within the last couple Yeah, he got released on December twentieth.

543
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: I like, I like Terrell Jennings, I do, and he's

544
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Speaker 1: on IR right now and he'll I think he's eligible

545
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Speaker 1: to return into the first playoff game. But like, yeah,

546
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Speaker 1: Elijah Mitchell played a decent sized role for a Niners

547
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Speaker 1: team that went to the Super Bowl. Yeah, for multiple

548
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: Niners teams that went to the Super Bowl. As a

549
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Speaker 1: third back. Like, he's more in line with what Antonio

550
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Speaker 1: Gibson was doing, I would say than some of those

551
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Speaker 1: younger guys that they're trying to make a fit. So

552
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Speaker 1: I think that's sneaky, great signing. I wonder, excuse me,

553
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Speaker 1: I wonder if there's you know, maybe actually something a

554
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Speaker 1: little bit like see how he runs without Treyvon Henderson

555
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Speaker 1: out there, He's probably gonna be the second back. I

556
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Speaker 1: would think it's elevated next to Monre Stevenson and you

557
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Speaker 1: know he's running, well, that's somebody I would trust to

558
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Speaker 1: carry the ball a little bit in the playoffs. He's

559
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Speaker 1: done it before, so I played in eight playoff games.

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Speaker 1: He's eighty four carries in eight career playoff games.

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Speaker 2: Sir Andre Stevenson played like eighty two percent of the

562
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Speaker 2: snaps last week because Trey Von Henderson got hurting game

563
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Speaker 2: and you know they weren't really I guess, right and

564
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 2: Dearness Johnson at all. So you know this is something

565
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Speaker 2: that they're going to have to manage that running back.

566
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Speaker 1: But this is a guy I think you can comfortably

567
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: give the ball five to ten times a game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in these two games for sure. I

569
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Speaker 2: mean this is like Stephen Jackson twenty fifteen territory.

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Speaker 1: I think he's better than Stephen Jackson. The Stephen Jackson

571
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Speaker 1: thought crossed my mind.

572
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Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm just saying, like, this is not in

573
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Speaker 2: this spot. Absolutely, they're not going to get do I

574
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Speaker 2: give him the ball against the Houston Texans on wildcard

575
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Speaker 2: and you know, a wildcard game. I don't know yet,

576
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 2: not gonna have to see how he looks.

577
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Speaker 1: Well, to see how he looks. But I'm saying like

578
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: he's only Stephen Jackson was what thirty three?

579
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they called him off his couch.

580
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Speaker 1: Yeah right, it was a Philip Rivers situation.

581
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Speaker 2: It wasn't that draftsic, it.

582
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Speaker 1: Wasn't that drastic, but it was close to Elijah Mitchell's

583
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Speaker 1: twenty six twenty seven. I'm not and again he has

584
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Speaker 1: some experience.

585
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see Kaijan Boody and you have Kyle Williams.

586
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 2: You know, obviously he think he can play James White,

587
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 2: but they have you know, Kyle Williams will play more

588
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: Matt Collins will play probably more on the outside. You know,

589
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: you can, you can kind of manage that one.

590
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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to Williams getting some more reps. I

591
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: think this will be good opportunity. I think he's clearly

592
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Speaker 1: come away since he was kind of struggling in the

593
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Speaker 1: middle of the season. He looks a lot more comfortable now.

594
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Speaker 1: It hasn't been the high volume role, which is nothing

595
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: wrong with that. I like the role he's in, but

596
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Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what he can do with a

597
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: little more opportunities.

598
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: So, you know, honestly, time to get it.

599
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Speaker 1: Not you know, happy that that booty's hurt, but is

600
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: a big opportunity I think for Kyle Williams.

601
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the time to get it. I mean,

602
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: he's these two games are aren't games that they should win,

603
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: you know, pretty handily. So this is a good time

604
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Speaker 2: to get the rookie involved and get him some some

605
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: high volume snaps and see what he can do in

606
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Speaker 2: a bigger role. Jared Wilson, we mentioned, you know, with

607
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Speaker 2: Ben Brown. I'm sure Brent Brown will We'll get the

608
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: start at left card if necessary.

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Speaker 1: So not, I think running back is.

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Speaker 2: Probably the most complicated one right now, and then I

611
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Speaker 2: would also mentione, now Milton Williams coming back potentially lessons

612
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Speaker 2: this a little bit. But josh A Farmer goes to

613
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: injured reserve, he could technically come back, but now we're

614
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Speaker 2: talking about him coming back and like the AFC Championship

615
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: Game or the Super Bowl or something like that. So

616
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: his season is, you know, could be over at this point.

617
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Speaker 2: So you have Joshua Farmer on ir, you have Kiris Tonga,

618
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: you know, dealing with a foot injury. So Melon Williams

619
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Speaker 2: comes back that kind of you know, fills one of

620
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Speaker 2: those two spots. Yeah, but you you are, you know,

621
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Speaker 2: a little thin, maybe one body short at defensive tackles.

622
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Speaker 2: So does that mean a elevation for Jeremiah Farms, who's

623
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Speaker 2: been elevated twice? Maybe you know, they went with Taylor

624
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Speaker 2: the last time, Leonard Taylor got it. Last time, they

625
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: elevated a big boy. So maybe that's the route that

626
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Speaker 2: they go. But they'll probably have an elevation on the

627
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Speaker 2: defensive line, I would think, because you don't know what

628
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Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to expect Melon Williams to

629
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Speaker 2: come in and play you know seventy eighty percent.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised we've seen elevate. I think those

631
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Speaker 1: are two spots he elevated running back in def to tackle.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely, So there's a lot going on there, and

633
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Speaker 2: I think in the second hour of the show we

634
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: can talk maybe a little bit about how the Patriots

635
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: handle these two games from injuries and more so, like

636
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Speaker 2: the banged up guys right in, you know, guys like splaying,

637
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: guys like Milton Williams, Tonga, you know, these players I

638
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: would expect to be on some sort of you know management,

639
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: you know, these last two weeks of this season. So

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Speaker 2: that's all the news. Took us a little while to

641
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: get through that. So we'll try to go as fast

642
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: as we can through the game recap because I know

643
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Speaker 2: that everybody probably wants to weigh in, and we'll take

644
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: your calls and emails here shortly. But let's get into

645
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: this Baltimore game, which I felt like was a weird

646
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Speaker 2: game to be at. There's a lot of sort of

647
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Speaker 2: emotional swings. You know, the Ravens come out hot, they're

648
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: playing well offensively to start with Lamar Jackson healthy, Derrek

649
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Speaker 2: Henry fumbles that was sort of like the first turning

650
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Speaker 2: point of the game. Then Lamar jacks and gets hurt

651
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: in the second quarter. That's sort of the second turning

652
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: point of the game. Then Tyler Huntley puts together a

653
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: decent third quarter and they kind of take the lead,

654
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: and then the Patriots obviously come back there in the

655
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. But I think the biggest thing that, you know,

656
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: I just want to start. Let's just get into the

657
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: good and bad. I don't really have a great big

658
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: picture thought with all that news in my head. Doo, okay,

659
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: what's your big picture thought?

660
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: It's just building off of what I said last week.

661
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: And I know people are probably sick of hearing about

662
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: the twenty one point loss, but it's hard not to

663
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: look at those two games together because we talked about

664
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: it a lot of what like the Ravens game, a

665
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities presented that game more than we ended

666
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: up knowing going into it, were opportunities to right the

667
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: wrongs and answer the questions left after that Bill's lost.

668
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: And I would say they overwhelmingly, not entirely, overwhelmingly checked

669
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: a lot of the boxes they failed to check against

670
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: the Bills, And that's just an encouraging sign. Growth has

671
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: been such an important thing for this team this year.

672
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: How many times have we come on here and even

673
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: after they've won, like, oh, they struggled with this, or

674
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: they struggled with that, and then the next week they

675
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: come out and they fix it. And it's a credit

676
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: to Mike Vrabel and the coaching staff. And I think

677
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: this was a maybe the prime example of, you know,

678
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: whether you want to talk about some of the issues.

679
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: You know, Drake May's issues, issues that he had and

680
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: he wasn't perfect in this game, but he fixed him

681
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: when he needed to. Whether you want to talk about

682
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: some of their issues in terms of the receivers getting open,

683
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: the questions about Stefan Diggs and where he was at

684
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: after that game, obviously the fourth quarter, the ability to

685
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: come back, those questions were loud after they lost to

686
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: the Bills. The only one that didn't really answer was

687
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: the run game question, but we talked about it earlier.

688
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: That's it's gonna be hard to answer that question without

689
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: Millon Williams. But I just I was really impressed that

690
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: I think you kind of have to look at that

691
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: game in the Bills game together and hey, they struggled

692
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: with all this stuff, came back and fixed it, especially

693
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: against I know, the Ravens offense isn't what we thought

694
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: it was going to be. The Ravens defense was full

695
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: go in that game, and they answered a lot of

696
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: questions against a good Ravens defense.

697
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: It's all fair points. I would just say, you know,

698
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: this is sort of why getting caught up in like

699
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: the week to week referendum of a team is what

700
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: we do, and it's what all of us do, fans

701
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: and media like. But this is why it's dangerous. Because

702
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: the Patriots lose that game to Buffalo, and all of

703
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: a sudden, the real loud people are saying that they're fraudulent,

704
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: right because they played a good team finally and they lost.

705
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: The other people are saying, you know, they can't come

706
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: back in the fourth quarter, Drake May's not clutch. They

707
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: can't lead game winning drives all based off of one

708
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, like one second half of a game. And

709
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: then the very next week they do all the things

710
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: that everybody said they couldn't do. And now you know,

711
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: now the narrative flips and it's like, I get, this

712
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: is what we do, but this is why you know,

713
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: sample size and seeing things from multiple games and you know,

714
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: full seasons and all that kind of stuff is really

715
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: really important because just because he did it on Sunday

716
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: night doesn't mean that he's going to do it again

717
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: if they're in the same position in the playoffs. And

718
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: just because he didn't do it against Buffalo means that

719
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: he was going to be a much time failure for

720
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: his entire career. And I just feel like that that

721
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: was sort of what that told you was that this

722
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: is really it's too soon probably to determine whether or

723
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: not he's got that Brady clutch ginge and no one's Brady.

724
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm trying to.

725
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: Say, Well, but I think that's also part of what

726
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: makes the NFL so interesting. And yeah, you don't want

727
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: to get caught up too much in the week to week,

728
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: but this is how like there's a lot of the

729
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: sporters answering questions. Questions come up and how do you

730
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: answer them, how do you respond to them? So I

731
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: think this was a you know, those two games are

732
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: a great example what makes the NFL so good.

733
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that's all fair. The other other thing I

734
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: was just going to say on the Drake mayfront, because

735
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: there's a lot of good stuff to talk about with

736
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: Drake may I just kind of pushed back a little

737
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: bit on the commentary that he was bad for the

738
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: first three quarters of this game. I don't think he

739
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: was bad at all. I may be inconsistent, and you know,

740
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: he had some bad plays, but he also had some

741
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: terrific plays for the first three quarters of this game.

742
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: And if you look at their drive chart for the

743
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: first half, they were in scoring terry territory on all

744
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: four drives in the first half. They were moving the

745
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: ball the entire game. Like this wasn't one of those

746
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: games more like the Buffalo game in the second half

747
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: where the offense just went completely cold.

748
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: No, it was the turnovers, which we'll get to it,

749
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: but it was the turnovers.

750
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: So I, you know, I charted these things and I

751
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: try to keep you know, week to week charting on this.

752
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: You know, in the first three quarters of this game,

753
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: I had him with like six really high level plays,

754
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: you know, whatever you want to call him, plus plays,

755
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: big time throws whatever. You know. He opening drive layers

756
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: went into Stefon Diggs for twenty five yards. That's just

757
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: a ridiculous throw. You know, It's just a great throw

758
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: to a crossing route to digs the third down deep

759
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: dig to mac Collins was another great throw in this game.

760
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: You know, threw them open on the second zone window

761
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: there over the middle of the field. That was followed

762
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: up immediately by the back shoulder to Austin Hooper. Same

763
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: drive got them down for a touchdowns back. Yeah, on

764
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: the second drive of the game. He had a third

765
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: three yard crossing route to Diggs as well in the

766
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 2: third quarter. That was a big play in this game.

767
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: And he put that ball on Hunter Henry's hands on

768
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: that little wide delay action that in Hunter Henry just

769
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: couldn't finish through Kyle van Noy, Like that was a

770
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: perfect throw, you know, he put it right on him.

771
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: So I had that as another one that was a

772
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 2: good throw or a plus play by Drake may So

773
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: I ended up having, you know, six plus plays in

774
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: the first three quarters. And really the only true negatives

775
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: were the two turnovers. And we'll get to him, like,

776
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to absolve him with the two turnovers,

777
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 2: but I didn't feel like this was by any means

778
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: like the Buffalo second half where it was a complete

779
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: kind of no show. In the second half of that

780
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: game against the Bills, he had some really really good plays.

781
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: He was moving and navigating the pocket exceptionally well throughout

782
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: this entire game under a lot of pressure with some

783
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: banged up backups on the offensive line, and I thought

784
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: he was really, really good. Now the fourth quarter he

785
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: was absolutely tremendous. You know, that was a whole nother

786
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: level it. But I thought he was fine through three quarters.

787
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: Outside the turnovers. The fourth quarter was Brady esque. You know,

788
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: you go twelve for fourteen, one hundred and thirty nine yards, two.

789
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: Touchdown round arguably was an incompletion. Oh the booty one, Yeah,

790
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: I mean the Kyle Williams all right, that's the Kyle

791
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: Williams on was like late in the third quarter. First

792
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: the Kyle Williams touchdown is that's a great throw too,

793
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: one of his best throws of the season. You know what,

794
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: that one reminded me of a little bit. And maybe

795
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: it's just because it's against the Ravens. Although I actually

796
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: didn't put that together until I said this to my

797
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: buddy and he was like, it's against the Ravens, You're

798
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: being lazy. The Tom Brady twenty fourteen Divisional game throw

799
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: to Brandon Lafel is similar. It's a little kind kind

800
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: of the same sort you gotta just drop it in

801
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: over the top. And again I came up with that

802
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 1: before I realized they were both against the Ravens.

803
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he was just he was lights out

804
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. I had him seven plus plays

805
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: just in the fourth quarter alone, and you know, he

806
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: was just excellent. And I think that, you know, just

807
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: to kind of get into some of the game winning

808
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: drives stuff. You know, obviously both drives were huge, so

809
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: I kind of put them together in a lot of ways,

810
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: but just specifically on the game winning drive itself. What

811
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 2: I thought was the most encouraging about how he handled

812
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: the game winning drive. I didn't think he did very

813
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 2: good against Buffalo in terms of just keeping the offense

814
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 2: on schedule, moving the chains, taking the easy throws underneath,

815
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: you know, kind of taking the profits. That's oftentimes what

816
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: leads to good game winning drives is just kind of

817
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 2: taking what the defense has given you at first, Like, yes,

818
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: you are eventually going to need a big play or

819
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 2: two in there, and they got that with the Matt

820
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: Collins crosser right out of the shoot on the first play,

821
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 2: kind of gets them that moving and gets that first

822
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: first down that's always crucial. And then the digs fourth

823
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: down play, So they did have two chunk plays on

824
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: the drive, but he also had completions of nine to

825
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: eight and six yards. And I thought that those players

826
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: were low key, very very important to just keeping the

827
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: offense on schedule.

828
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: You got to go the time whole apple at once.

829
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: Positive plays, keeping it moving, that sort of thing. I

830
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: always go back to Super Bowl thirty six. Now, they

831
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: only needed the field goal in that situation, but the

832
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: very first play of that game winning drive to for

833
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 2: Tom Brady's a checkdown to JR. Redmon right, like does

834
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,479
Speaker 2: a little checkdown over the middle. It wasn't a downfield throw.

835
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: It wasn't, you know, Brandon lafel to you know in

836
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: the twenty fourteen Divisional round against Baltimore. It was just

837
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: a little dump off to a running back and it

838
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: just kind of gets the whole thing moving from there.

839
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: Hasn't a hasn't Bill or Brady or somebody said like

840
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: they didn't hit the checkdown of Redmand they were gonna

841
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: sit on it or something.

842
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: It's possible.

843
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't actually watched that drive yesterday.

844
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: So Jr. Redman's a little checkdown, Wiggy Jermaine Wiggins, like,

845
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: get some like five yards at the very end of

846
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 2: the drive. That puts the field goal a more makeable

847
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 2: field goal. I think it was a forty nine yard

848
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 2: field goal, so we're talking about like a fifty plus

849
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: yard shodow. We were there, and there's just I've seen

850
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: that drive so many times that I could probably tell

851
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: you every throw.

852
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: The big throw on that drive is obviously the Troy Brown.

853
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: Troy Brown crossed the same thing two years later, it's

854
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: the Dion Branch crosser, and beyond that it's a lot

855
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: of dink and dunk and with Drake May it was

856
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: the same thing. You want it sure, Jr. Redmond five yards, Jr.

857
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: Redmond eight yards incomplete. I think that was a spike. Jr.

858
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: Redman eleven yards incomplete, Troy Brown for twenty three, Wiggi

859
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: for six and then the spike.

860
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: So this is my point, right, like how many Jr.

861
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: Redmonds did you just say? There's a little dump offs,

862
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: little checkdowns to j R. Redman and they're not the

863
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: big plays. The big play is obviously the Troy Brown one,

864
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: which we've all seen a million times. But that's just

865
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: how you matriculate the ball. Down the field on a

866
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: game winning drive, and Drake may in this game just

867
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 2: did such a better job of that than he did

868
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: against Buffalo. Right in Buffalo, you remember the third downplay

869
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: against Buffalo where he just throws it to the sideline

870
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: and complete the Trevon Henderson and kind of into no

871
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: man's land. This game, it was a lot more manageable,

872
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: like he was making the smart decision.

873
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: Not to keep comparing Drake to Brady here, but I

874
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: the Panthers on was a little more explosive than I

875
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: remembered incomplete thirteen yards to Troy Brown, twenty yards to

876
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: Troy Brown, thirteen yards of Troy Brown, four yards to

877
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: Daniel Graham, seventeen yards a d On Branch, and then

878
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: they kicked the field goal. But I think some of

879
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: those are like underneath catch and runs. But yes, to

880
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: your point, to go back to the point we're reminiscing Tooch, Well,

881
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: I went back, it's fine for whatever, and it was

882
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: not in relation to what Drake Maye did. It was

883
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: another conversation I was having friends. I went back and

884
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 1: watched the fourth quarter of Super Bowl forty nine, of course,

885
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: and then the final drive of Super Bowl thirty six,

886
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: as say, because he got a refreshment place. I'm sure

887
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: remind yourself, I clar should watch the Panthers game. Maybe

888
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: I'll do that later. But you gotta be patient on

889
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: those drives. On those games, it's you know, it's one

890
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: thing that's like thirty seconds you got to look go

891
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: to length of the field. But the two minutes, if

892
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: you manage it right, that's more than enough time to

893
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: get down the field.

894
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: I did not think that he managed it very well

895
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: against Buffalo.

896
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: He was pushing a little more. Now. I think he

897
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: had less time in that one.

898
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: But he was. He was big play on hunting against Buffalo,

899
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: and I think in this drive he was willing to

900
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: kind of take some of the easy money and just

901
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: sort of march a little bit down the field. So,

902
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: like you said, off the top of this segment, just growth,

903
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: you know, just showing, you know, correcting things and just

904
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: kind of fixing things moving forward.

905
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: I know he got they got the ball back with

906
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: two forty three and against the Bills, there's plenty of time.

907
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: So that was Drake may I thought that, you know,

908
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: I wrote this in after further review, this was the

909
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: most high level plus plays I had for Drake Man

910
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 2: a game this season. Now we'll get to the flip

911
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 2: side here in a second, but he was making some

912
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: unbelievable plays for four quarters, not just the fourth quarter,

913
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: for four quarters in this game. I thought this was

914
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: one of his best games of the year. I really did.

915
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: And this Bill's appeals Ravens defense. Let's not lose sight

916
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 2: of the fact that the Ravens shut out Joe Burrow

917
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 2: the week before. His first ever shutout as an NFL

918
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 2: quarterback was the week before against the same exact Ravens defense.

919
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: So this wasn't a tomato can defense. This wasn't a

920
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: bad defense defense.

921
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: I you want to critique what the Patriots defense did

922
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: against the Ravens offense without Lamar Jackson, and for some reason,

923
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: Derrek Henry like, we can have that conversation, which we will,

924
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: which we will. H that was that was a real

925
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: deal Ravens defense that they moved the ball on.

926
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely all right. So next positive, you know, good

927
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: thing here we got a wax poetic a little bit

928
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: about Stefan Diggs. I mean, this was just this was a.

929
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: Clinic like if you were a time, if you were

930
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: a young receiver, if you're a coach of like a

931
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: high school, a college team or something like that.

932
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: If you want to show a clinic.

933
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: There's nothing but teach tape.

934
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: For sixty minutes, we're oute running man zone press off

935
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 2: like inside outside, Like this was just an absolute clinic

936
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: by Digs, and you know, you could break down some

937
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: of the individual plays, but he was roasting that secondary

938
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 2: in pretty much every single way possible. His feel and

939
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 2: just understanding of, you know, space and voids in zone

940
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: coverage is as good as I've seen. I think the

941
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: only guy that rivals it is probably Travis Kelcey, who's

942
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: also excellent at that. But both of these guys are

943
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: doing that at the highest of levels. Like understanding where

944
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: this top spots are in zone coverage, understanding not to

945
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: run yourself into coverage when you don't have to, you know,

946
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: all these different types of things that he does know.

947
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: There are different kinds of routes. Some routes are meant

948
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: to clear out space. Some routes are meant to occupy defenders,

949
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: and you got to run those are those love of

950
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: the game routes, and you got to run those if

951
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: you're in that position. But in this game, Diggs was

952
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: in a lot of positions where he could kind of

953
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: freelance a little bit against zone coverage, and he did

954
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: that at one of the highest levels that you're going

955
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 2: to see anybody do it at. And then I also

956
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: thought it was really encouraging. Now, Marlon Humphrey might be

957
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: little bit on watch watch here. I don't know if

958
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: he's got much left in the take, but he was

959
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: on watch, watch, watch, wash watch.

960
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: Okay, like he said, watch watch.

961
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: He was beaten guys in man coverage too, And there's,

962
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: like you said earlier, there's a lot of chatter about

963
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 2: December digs and did he still have it against man coverage?

964
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: Did he still have the juice to separate against man coverage?

965
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 2: In this game, sixty five of his yards came against

966
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 2: man coverage. Beat Marlon Humphrey cleaned like a drum coming

967
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: across the field on a crossing route. So it was

968
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: good to see him be able to separate from man

969
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: to man as well. The zone stuff's awesome, but once

970
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: it comes to the playoff time, he's gonna they're gonna

971
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: get more man and he's gonna have to beat man coverage.

972
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: And he did that in this game.

973
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: I just you know, there are all these questions about

974
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: is is Dig's cook thirty one? Coming off the ACL

975
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: the December Dig stuff. The people in Buffalo got really

976
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: loud about that, sure did, and I don't. They shouldn't

977
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: need Digs to be that guy every week, and there's

978
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: few receivers, if any, that can be that guy every week,

979
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: and they really shouldn't even be that to be the

980
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: Jets to beat the Jets and the Dolphins. But the

981
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: fact that he can still flip the switch and do

982
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: that when they need to do it is very encouraging

983
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: because they are going to need him probably once or

984
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: twice to make to be that guy in the playoffs,

985
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: if not every game. So yeah, it was like he

986
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: did a couple of quiet games and his usage was

987
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: down and all that, and it was good to just

988
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: kind of see him remind everybody, hey, no, I can

989
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: still do this. I can still be the number one guy.

990
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: And then you looked at what his gravity was doing

991
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: late in that game and opening up opportunities for other players.

992
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he was fantastic. He was that his best

993
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: game as a Patriot, or is the Bill's.

994
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: Game still the Bills game? I think is still better.

995
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: But this was really good.

996
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: It's up there.

997
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was really good.

998
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: Now.

999
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: I think the number one thing too, that just to

1000
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: kind of make this a bigger picture thing a little bit,

1001
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 2: they didn't double him as much as Buffalo did, and

1002
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: he torched them in single coverage opportunities. So I do

1003
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: think that there's a bigger picture kind of game plan

1004
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: thing going on here where Okay, you know, they play

1005
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: Houston in the first round and they have Derek Stingley, Like,

1006
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: maybe you don't need to double him if you put

1007
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: Stingley on him, but Stingley is going to have to

1008
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: travel with Diggs or you're gonna have to double him

1009
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: if you don't have a player of Stinglely or like

1010
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: Certan or something like that, of that caliber. So either way,

1011
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 2: you know, Buffalo didn't have Benford in the game a

1012
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, so they doubled him because they

1013
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: knew that their backup guys weren't going to be able

1014
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: to hang. So I think that that's great news for

1015
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: the Patriots either way. We talked so much about that

1016
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: on this show, Alex. You know, the Tuesday players and

1017
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: the guys that are you know, the the hierarchy guys

1018
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: that can really put other people in place. You know,

1019
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 2: does Digs get Kyle Williams open, Does he get Mac

1020
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: Collins open? Does he get Hunter Henry open? Yeah? He can,

1021
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: and he can't have that kind of gravity. So I

1022
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: think that that's really big for them moving forward. He's

1023
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: been doing this to me all year, like even going

1024
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: back to training camp, where when he needs to like

1025
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: pull it out in a game when he needs to

1026
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: be like, all right, I need to go and be

1027
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: vintage Digs tonight. He has that ability to do it.

1028
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 2: Can he still do it seventeen games a season? Probably not,

1029
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: but he can still do it when he needs to

1030
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 2: when they are in a big spot and they need.

1031
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: Him to, you know what. They're at a point where

1032
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: their supporting cast is good enough that they can get

1033
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: by with that for now.

1034
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's Diggs a couple more on the offense,

1035
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: and then I all give the defense a little bit

1036
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: of flowers for one thing in particular, and then I'll

1037
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: probably not give the defense much flowers after that. I

1038
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: thought it was a really encouraging performance for both Kyle

1039
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: Williams and ramondre Stevenson and Andre Stevenson was sneakily really

1040
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 2: really good at it.

1041
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: It's two games in a row where we're remond the

1042
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: dirty work excellent and it thinks they now Henderson's hurt,

1043
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: like they can't get both these guys healthy. But I

1044
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: see the vision. I see the vision for this to

1045
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: be a really strong running back room. We're getting there.

1046
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was really good in this game. Blitz pick

1047
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: up that the little checkdown that he took for twenty

1048
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 2: three yards was a great cut in the open field

1049
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: that I haven't seen him move like that in a while,

1050
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 2: you know, toe injury wear and tearor that kind of stuff.

1051
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: The touchdown obviously, I think he ran a little bit

1052
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: out of gas on the one deep target that he

1053
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: had when he was flexed out, But overall I thought

1054
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: he was He was really really good in this game.

1055
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: He had some blitz pickups that were just tremendous, and

1056
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: against like Kyle Hamilton, Roquand Smith, like guys that can

1057
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: really blitz. He stood up Kyle Hamilton on one play

1058
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: and Kyle Hamilton was stopped in his tracks. I mean,

1059
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: that's hard to do. It's a really good blitzing safety

1060
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: that he did that against and Kyle Williams. It's not

1061
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: high volume and it's not perfect, you know, I didn't

1062
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 2: think the third down target he had on the game

1063
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 2: winning drive that was almost picked wasn't a great route.

1064
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: But the deep targets and the big plays down the

1065
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: field are starting to come more and more, and like

1066
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: Drake May said yesterday, that's going to just open up

1067
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: the first and second level at him. So he's just

1068
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 2: got to learn, you know, be able to sell fade

1069
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 2: on every single route that he runs. You know, everything

1070
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: should be a fade with Kyle Williams. Get those guys

1071
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: opened up and then have that ability to hit the

1072
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: first and second lef But he's flashing in ways that

1073
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: we didn't necessarily see with Polk Taekwon, Nikhil Hill.

1074
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna say it long and it's not all those

1075
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: guys you just listed, but how long have we been

1076
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: talking about them getting that speed X. You call it

1077
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: the sacrificial X. That's just the guy that kind of

1078
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: run goes route, runs go routes and you know, isn't

1079
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: gonna get targeted a ton, but enough to keep the

1080
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: defense honest, but has to be good enough on those

1081
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: targets to keep the defense honest. And they've been looking

1082
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: for that guy I go back twenty twenty, de mere

1083
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: Bird was okay in that role. Yeah, they then sign

1084
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: Nelson Agalore, he he didn't really fit. Uh, they drafted Taekwon,

1085
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: he couldn't stay on the field. Like it feels like

1086
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: they finally have that guy. And I still think Kay

1087
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: Williams long term futures is a z and I think

1088
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: he can be a high volume guy in the NFL.

1089
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: But for the role he's in right now, not everybody's

1090
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: gonna get ten targets and he's not in the ten

1091
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: target role that's Stefan Diggs. Digs should be there. But

1092
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: you can still make an impact. Kyle Williams played thirty

1093
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: percent of snaps, had three targets on Sunday Night. He

1094
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: made a massive impact in that game. He catches the

1095
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: deep ball, he had another catcher first down, and he

1096
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: sets the block on the game winning touchdown run. So

1097
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: having guys that can make an impact even when they

1098
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: don't have a high volume in targets, you need a

1099
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: guy like that. A guy like that can help even

1100
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: if this offense isn't built around him in the way.

1101
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams has stepped into that role from where he

1102
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: was earlier in the season has been impressive and it's

1103
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: helped having somebody in that role that provides what he provides.

1104
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, his speed is translated to the pro game, which

1105
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 2: I think is the most encouraging thing. He's clearly creating

1106
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: downfield separation on his deep routes and that's his game.

1107
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 2: That's his number one part of his game. Now, the

1108
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: route detail, the salesmanship, all these like nuances to route

1109
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: running that I think Diggs is trying to teach him

1110
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. Those things are going to be the

1111
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 2: things that determine whether or not he's going to be

1112
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: a high volume guy down the road. But at the

1113
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: very least he can be this guy and that's something

1114
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 2: for late thirty.

1115
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: Right, if you get that guy late in the third

1116
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: and this is what he is again, I still think

1117
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: he can be more. But if this is what he is,

1118
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: that like, there's value in having that player.

1119
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, one flower for the defense turnovers. They

1120
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 2: produced two turnovers in this game.

1121
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: The chase on play was an awesome football play by

1122
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: tale Chase on to chase that thing down. Yeah, hurt

1123
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: and finish, right, I will say sneaky important on that play.

1124
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: Del Pettis holding up Zay Flowers. You know that guy

1125
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: that goes unnoticed.

1126
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: They had a couple of those on the Henry one too,

1127
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: is Carlton Davis holding him up.

1128
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: So del Pettis. Jay Flowers comes across the middle of

1129
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: the field, del Pettis gets matched up with him in

1130
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: the slot, and del Pettis makes Zay Flowers stop his

1131
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: feet right, and he's the guy that made Jay Flowers

1132
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: cut back into the middle of the field. If del

1133
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 2: Pettis doesn't, you know, create that leverage, then Jay Flowers

1134
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: is just gonna run away and he's never going to

1135
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 2: get even close to calevon chase On. So del Pettis

1136
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: is the guy that made Zay Flowers stop and kind

1137
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: of try to make a cut to get around him,

1138
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 2: and that allowed calevon chase On, who's just hustling effort

1139
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 2: finished all the Mike Rabel tropes like that's what that

1140
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 2: is exemplified in one play to punch the football out there.

1141
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 2: So that was a great play.

1142
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: It's another one where again you go back to last week.

1143
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: We talked about this on that show. You should be

1144
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: able to get the Bills to turn the ball over.

1145
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: Bills are sloppy offense. And they needed one turnover probably

1146
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: changes that game, and they couldn't get it. They couldn't

1147
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: do it. So it's another example where they come back

1148
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: the next week and correct the wrong and hey, look

1149
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: at this, you know, we're we're not just one but

1150
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: two turnovers, including one at a key point in that game.

1151
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: So and the Derek Henry fumble is not was not

1152
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: unimportant either, because that game was they were on the

1153
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: verge of maybe getting boat raced in this game. The

1154
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 2: Ravens are going right down the field on them. The

1155
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: offense was, you know, and over prone or mistake prone

1156
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: at the moment, you know, to start that game, and

1157
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: the Ravens were in complete control of that game in

1158
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: the first quarter and Derrick Henry gets stripped and all

1159
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: of a sudden it kind of at least kept the

1160
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 2: game close and kept the Patriots in the game at

1161
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: that point of the game. So the Derrick Henry fumble

1162
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: just also just being there like that was kind of

1163
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: a deflating moment, I thought, for the Ravens and for

1164
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: the fans and for the crowd. So that was a

1165
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 2: big play early in the game as well. But the

1166
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: chase on played Mike Rable is going to be showing

1167
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: that in the team meeting. I'm sure. I mean, that

1168
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: was everything that they're about as a coaching staff and

1169
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: as a program in one play, you know, one guy

1170
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: making a sneaky good play with del Pettis another guy,

1171
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 2: you know, full tilt to the whistle with calevon Chase

1172
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: on that. That's raybl ball. You know, like that's what

1173
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 2: everything that he wants this team to be.

1174
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, going back to that fumble being

1175
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 1: a big play. Yeah, so I know, John Harbaugh said

1176
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: after the game Henry wasn't in at the end because

1177
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: of the running back rotation. I you know, who knows

1178
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: you can change up the running back rotation. You have

1179
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer back there, chance to ice

1180
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: the game?

1181
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1182
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: Is it possible they were spooked that he was going

1183
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: to fumble again because he had some fumble ishoes early

1184
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: in the year. He cleaned them up. But did they

1185
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: look at that and say, oh, boy, like is he

1186
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: gonna be able to hold on a ball? Tame? I

1187
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: still would have gone, well, it's not an excuse, right,

1188
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: but I you know, did that fumble maybe get in

1189
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: the Ravens head? Was that fumble bigger than maybe it

1190
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: even seemed in the moment, I thought.

1191
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 2: That there was a little bit of irony with Mike

1192
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 2: Rabel being on the other sideline Derrick Henry's old coach,

1193
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: because I cannot tell you how many games Mike Rabel

1194
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 2: closed out by just letting Derrick Henry just eat up

1195
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 2: the rest of the clock. And that's how the Titans

1196
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 2: won games in that era. It was just get a lead,

1197
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 2: play with the lead in the fourth quarter, and then

1198
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 2: it's just Derrick Henry for five minutes down your throat

1199
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: and you just can't stop it, and you can't stop

1200
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: the clock, and this game over. You know that that's

1201
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: that's Derrick Henry at his best as late in those games.

1202
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: He's one of those guys for sure that gets better

1203
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: as the game goes along. So it's only fair to

1204
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: point out, you know, as much as I want to

1205
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: give the Patriots flowers for coming back in this game,

1206
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 2: Lamar gets hurt. They make a really weird coaching decision

1207
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 2: with Derrick Henry in the fourth quarter of this game.

1208
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: So the Ravens gave him some help too.

1209
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: They did, Yeah, they they did, but like, no, no comeback, He's.

1210
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 2: No, I'm yeah, I'm not trying to completely you know,

1211
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 2: take away credit, but it's it's context as worse to

1212
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: share it. Anyways, Let's go to the bads and the

1213
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: stuff that gets you beat. I have a tough time

1214
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: putting this on the bads because they were This was

1215
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 2: one of those games that was like a game from

1216
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: hell for the offensive line. They had basically, uh, you know,

1217
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 2: we're on their third tackle, might have had to have

1218
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 2: gone to their fourth tackle, but Morgan moses credit to him,

1219
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 2: decides to gut it out and play on a bad knee.

1220
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: That's another one we'll have to monitor this week. But

1221
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: they already have a backup left tackle, they already have

1222
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 2: a rookie at left guard. Right tackles got injury issues,

1223
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 2: and the depth is getting killed there. So I'll give

1224
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 2: them all those sort of caveats. But the pressure rate

1225
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: ended up coming out to forty four point two percent

1226
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: in this game, and I actually thought this was one

1227
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: of those games where Drake May did his best to

1228
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 2: help not hurt the protection in the offensive line. This

1229
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: type of pressure forty four point two percent is not sustainable.

1230
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: You can't win in the playoffs with that kind of

1231
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: pressure rate. You need to win the line of scrimmage.

1232
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: More specifically, the left side of the offensive line allowed

1233
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 2: twelve combined pressures between Vederian Low and Jared Wilson in

1234
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: this game. And I thought the stunts and the games

1235
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: that Baltimore was running up front, those gave him some

1236
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: problems too. So there was just a lot going on

1237
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: with the offensive line from both the injury perspective. But

1238
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: if you get into the playoffs and you're giving up

1239
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 2: forty five percent pressure rate against Houston or against Denver

1240
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 2: or against Buffalo, like, you're not gonna win. You're not

1241
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: gonna win playing like that, at least not multiple times.

1242
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 2: Like maybe you can get away with it one time,

1243
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: because Drake may is just that good, but he's not

1244
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: gonna get all the way through the playoffs playing like that.

1245
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 2: He took a beating in this game.

1246
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: And you know, credit to him, like he played a

1247
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 1: tough game, has a tough games. You're gonna see quarterback play.

1248
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, especially the tackle play. You had guys being

1249
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: blown by on three man rushes like it just they

1250
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: missed Will Campbell, They missed Morgan Moses in this game

1251
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: big times. I think probably their worst pass protection game

1252
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: of the year, certainly early in the season, and like

1253
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 1: you said, you can't you put it well, you can't

1254
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: get by with.

1255
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 2: That, so just really quickly and then we'll move on

1256
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: to the next one. The one thing that I did

1257
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: notice early that it was there there was some little

1258
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: weird things going on with the snap count with the cadence.

1259
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: I wonder if they were in silent count because Bold

1260
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: tackles on the interception don't move like and I know

1261
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: watching it live, it looks like they both just get

1262
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 2: blown by. But if you watch bold tackles when the

1263
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: ball moves, you know, when brad Berry snaps the ball,

1264
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: the guards in brad Berry move with the two back.

1265
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: Guys, do both guys being slow that slow out of

1266
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: their stance is.

1267
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: Not No, something was going on with the snapcount or

1268
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 2: the cadence or maybe they were in silent count or

1269
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: maybe they weren't in silent count and that was throwing

1270
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: them like. Something was weird that was going on there.

1271
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: So I thought once they kind of got on the

1272
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: same page and Vederian Lowe as one of those guys

1273
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: that he needs to be getting off the ball, like

1274
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 2: he kind of needs to be one of those dudes

1275
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: that almost jumps the snapcount a little bit because he

1276
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: doesn't have great lateral movement. He doesn't have a great

1277
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: kick out of his stance, so that can really be

1278
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: where he starts to play with the short corner is

1279
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: when he's slow out of his stance. So I think

1280
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: that that was a little bit of an issue early

1281
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: on in this game. All right, going over to the defense,

1282
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: run defense again on the bats just this week. Last

1283
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: week it was inside runs by James Cook. This week

1284
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 2: it was outside runs by Derrick Henry. I don't know

1285
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: what was going on with The edge play in this game.

1286
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: Wasn't good. Whatever it was, Uh, it just didn't look coordinated.

1287
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: It didn't look the way that it should. They gave

1288
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: up eight point two yards of carry to Derek Henry

1289
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 2: outside the tackles, uh thirteen for one oh six rushing

1290
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: off tackle in this game. So the edge play wasn't great.

1291
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: The line packer play wasn't great. I mentioned the base

1292
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 2: defense stuff wasn't great. Four and a half yards five

1293
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: and a half excuse me, yards of carry and base defense,

1294
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 2: like you said, Like we said at the top of

1295
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: the show, this is just personnel at this point, Like

1296
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: they just need spoiling and Milton Williams and Tonga healthy.

1297
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 2: I just don't think they're gonna be a good run

1298
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 2: defense unless those guys are healthy. It's I don't think

1299
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 2: that there's anything schematically. I don't think it's anything that

1300
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: they can really do.

1301
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: They put six guys down on the line scrim.

1302
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: Yet they do. They just don't have good run defense

1303
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 2: at this point.

1304
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: The only thing more they can do is, you know,

1305
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: just engauge eight every play and dare the other team

1306
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: to throw to open receivers. The crazy thing to me

1307
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: Dereck Henry in nine carries before nine carries after Lamar

1308
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,479
Speaker 1: Jackson got hurt. Yeah, just in terms of the yards

1309
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: per carry. I don't know if you have the math

1310
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: number for this. Derek Henry was better with Lamar Jackson

1311
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: out of the game. So you take away, like you

1312
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: take away the threat of not that Tyler Hunty can't run,

1313
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: but he's not Lamar Jackson. Right, even not having to

1314
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: respect Lamar Jackson's legs, Derek Henry was still rolled.

1315
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 2: That was all I mean.

1316
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: Credit died Derrick Henry too. He was guy's the first

1317
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Famer, But yes, all the more reason

1318
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I don't play at the

1319
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: end of that game.

1320
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: But the edge stuff is has been a little bit

1321
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 2: of a concern of mine. And I love when they

1322
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 2: use spell techniques because I think it looks cool and

1323
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: when it's coordinated and when it's timed up correctly, it

1324
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 2: can be really effective. But I don't know if in

1325
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 2: their current state, you know, maybe boxing the edges, which

1326
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: means like the edges are setting the edge and they're

1327
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: prying to the ball back inside versus crashing in and

1328
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: trying to bounce the ball outside. Now maybe it's simple

1329
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: as Blaine coming back and he's kind of good at

1330
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 2: that sort of technique, the overlapping, you know, in the spill,

1331
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 2: So maybe that's what they need. But this was this

1332
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 2: was bad. The run defense just is not good right now.

1333
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 2: And like the pressure rate, you are not going to

1334
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: win in January. If you can't stop the run, you're

1335
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: just not You're not going to win in January. Like that. Now,

1336
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 2: they're really the only team that has like an elite

1337
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 2: run game in the playoffs is Buffalo. So Denver's run

1338
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: games bad.

1339
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: Houston's isn't bad.

1340
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: They're okay, but they're not Derrick Henry in Baltimore and

1341
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 2: they're not Buffalo. Those are the kind of the two

1342
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 2: best run games right now in the AFC because of

1343
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 2: whatever the hell happened to the Colts without Daniel Jones.

1344
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: So hey, Philip Rivers was slinging it early in that game. Yes,

1345
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: he was, he was. He was slinging it a little bit.

1346
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: I saw somebody, somebody we can talk. Let's get through

1347
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: somebody posted on Twitter. The one outcome I didn't consider

1348
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: was Philip Rivers plays well, but the Colts lose anyway.

1349
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 2: So that was a big thing for me in this

1350
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 2: game though, was you knew Baltimore was going to put

1351
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 2: heavy gut personnel on the field, and the Patriots are

1352
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 2: such a heavy nickel defense that I was curious to

1353
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 2: see how the Patriots matched all of Baltimore's you know,

1354
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 2: whether it's two back, whether it's too tight end. They

1355
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,479
Speaker 2: actually had some formations where they had recard and two

1356
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: tight ends on the field, so they had like one

1357
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: wide receiver on the field. It was kind of a

1358
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 2: bad matchup in that respect for the Patriots, and the

1359
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: Patriots played a lot of baits. They tried to play

1360
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 2: more base defense in this game, and they have over

1361
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks with Buffalo as well, and

1362
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 2: they still can't stop the run out of base. So

1363
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 2: this is this is a personnel thing. Is they got

1364
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 2: to get their guys back. The other thing that I

1365
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 2: had on the battle list, I'm taking flag for Alex,

1366
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 2: but I'm just going to keep being honest about it

1367
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 2: is Christian Zalez, who I just I think it's this

1368
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 2: is partially scheme related. I think, yeah, and so I'm

1369
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: not sorry. I think that that does kind of absolve

1370
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: some of this. I heard Greg on your station yesterday

1371
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 2: and I agree wholeheardly with his take on this. He

1372
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: said that it reminds him a lot of early Steffan

1373
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 2: Gilmore with the Patriots, where the Patriots are playing a

1374
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 2: lot of zone. They're playing him off, they're playing him

1375
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 2: in techniques that he's not his best at. And then

1376
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 2: Belichick finally said, we're just going to play man to man.

1377
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,959
Speaker 2: We're gonna let Steffan Gilmore shadow the other team's best

1378
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 2: receiver and we're going to just do it that way.

1379
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 2: And then Gilmour flipped a switch. They went on two

1380
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 2: Super Bowl runs. Semen's Defensive Player of the Year I

1381
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of parallels of what's going on

1382
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 2: with Christian Gonzalez. The things about zone corners, playing off

1383
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 2: and playing zone technique is just different. It's a different technique,

1384
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 2: it's a different thing. It takes good eyes, it takes

1385
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 2: good you know, instincts at the top of the route.

1386
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 2: It's just a different ballgame. The other thing that playing

1387
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 2: a lot of zone does is that it makes you tackle. Yep,

1388
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 2: And I don't think that that's really a strength of

1389
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 2: Christian Zion say.

1390
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: He's actually been a better tackle of this year for

1391
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: everything else. That tackling made on Derrek Henry in space

1392
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: was awesome.

1393
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 2: That was a good play, and the pass breakup you

1394
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 2: know in the fourth quarter was another good play. But

1395
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 2: there was some questionable things about his run defense in

1396
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 2: this game. You know, when he sees a blocker coming,

1397
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 2: if he's free to the ball, he'll make he'll he'll

1398
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: stick his nose in there and tackle. But if he

1399
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 2: sees like a polar coming towards him or something like that,

1400
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 2: he was making some iffy decisions in this game. So

1401
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 2: I just don't think that's who he is, and that's fine,

1402
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 2: Like I don't expect him to be. I said this yesterday.

1403
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: I don't expect him to be Dante high tower and

1404
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: like hold up a guard, you know, like I don't

1405
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 2: expect him to do that. But a couple of Derek

1406
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: Henry's explosive touchdown runs in this game, were they just

1407
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 2: running at Gonzo Like they're just trying to get on

1408
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 2: the edge, and they're running left and they're running right

1409
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 2: at Christian Gonzales And at some point some of that

1410
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 2: I think is schematic. You know, you can't expect Christian

1411
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 2: Zales to be a force defender. You can't expect him

1412
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 2: to be somebody that's going to hold up blockers and

1413
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 2: take on pulling guards and stuff like that. So it's both.

1414
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 2: I think a little bit of this is on Christian Zales.

1415
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 2: I think in Zoni gets a little bit loose with

1416
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 2: his technique and could be a little bit tighter in

1417
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 2: zone coverage. But I also think that it's not a

1418
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 2: great fit for his skill set, And to me, that's

1419
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 2: on the coaching.

1420
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with a lot. I agree with a

1421
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: lot of that. I think you've covered it pretty well.

1422
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 2: So let's go to the stuff that gets you beat.

1423
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: Then we have to take a break the fake punt

1424
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: just wasn't a good call. Great wasn't a good call.

1425
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: Do you think they tried? They talked about on the

1426
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: broadcast there was one moment earlier in a game where

1427
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: they had to I forget if they took a delay

1428
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: or call the time out, but like they let it

1429
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: run down and for a punt, and it looks like

1430
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: there was some light communication. I wonder if they were

1431
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: maybe trying to put it on earlier, saw something earlier

1432
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: that they wanted to put it on, and for whatever

1433
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: reason didn't. But I did not love in that spot.

1434
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't think that they did, because I

1435
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: think the two things that happened with the fake punt. One,

1436
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 2: they lined up in a different punt protection formation. So

1437
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: they the punts that they had before in the game

1438
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 2: they were in like just the typical traditional blocking formation,

1439
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 2: and in this one, the fake punt, they clearly were

1440
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: in a different formation. And that that's always going to

1441
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 2: be a tell, you know that what do we do?

1442
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 2: You know, what's going on here? So the Ravens actually

1443
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: got into punt safe at that point, and they had

1444
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 2: two levels they had, you know, they basically were in

1445
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 2: like a like a defensive front. You know, they were

1446
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 2: in punt safe, so they had two guys at the

1447
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 2: second level of the of the punt return team, and

1448
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 2: Mike Rabel fell on the sword as he should. You know,

1449
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 2: you don't call a fake punt without the blessing of

1450
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 2: the head coach, Like that's not a coordinator level decision.

1451
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 2: If you're gonna pull something out like that, it's going

1452
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 2: to be on the head coach. But could they have

1453
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 2: checked out of it once I saw that Baltimore was

1454
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 2: ready for it. I think that's a fair question.

1455
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: That's to me, the like you want to call it

1456
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: and go to the line and see if you get

1457
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: the look, go to the line and see if they

1458
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: did not get the loan you don't get the look,

1459
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: you got to be able to check.

1460
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: Out right on d So that was my big thing.

1461
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 2: Was not a great call, not a great time for it.

1462
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was needed. They just punted and

1463
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 2: played field position like Tyler Huntley was gonna run out

1464
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 2: of his team at some point, you know. And I

1465
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 2: thought that their defense they should have trusted the defense

1466
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 2: a little bit more. But my bigger gripe with it

1467
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 2: was that they didn't check out of it, and I'm

1468
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: not trying to put it on the players. I'm just saying,

1469
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 2: like that's everybody, Like.

1470
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: Well, they can be coaching thing too, you know, you

1471
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: got to be able to coach them up on how

1472
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 1: to do that right and what to look for. So

1473
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: it was just was not a good play. It was

1474
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: It was not a good play.

1475
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 2: And then the other thing was the two turnovers by

1476
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 2: Drake May, like we got those are things that get

1477
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 2: you beat. When you turn the ball over and you

1478
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 2: cost the team points by turning the ball over, that

1479
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 2: is going to come back to bite it. So they

1480
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 2: cost it at least six points, you know, maybe even

1481
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 2: ten if you want to say that. You know, they

1482
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: would have scored or something like that on a later down.

1483
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 2: But the interception, there was pressure. He left the pocket.

1484
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 2: I think he thought Kaishan Boody was going to post

1485
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 2: up inside and Kaishan Boudy I think thought they were

1486
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: going scramble drill, so they kind of got their signals

1487
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 2: crossed there. That was a bang bang play that I understand.

1488
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 2: There was just kind of a miscommunication on what was

1489
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 2: going on on the route a little bit. I think

1490
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,759
Speaker 2: Booty also could have put a little bit more effort

1491
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 2: into trying to prevent the interception, but it was kind

1492
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 2: of a weird one. The fumble I thought was actually

1493
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 2: really good, sort of situational football thing because the clock

1494
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 2: is running. They snapped the ball with twenty three seconds left.

1495
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 2: They had no timeouts, So you can't take a sack

1496
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 2: on third down, right, because you can't spike it on

1497
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 2: fourth down to stop the clock. They would have been

1498
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 2: really hard pressed to get a field goal off if

1499
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 2: you just took a sack and didn't fumble. So you

1500
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: can't fumble. You can't fumble, obviously, but you can't take

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Speaker 2: a sack period. I think the result might have been

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01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 2: same if you had just gotten sacked instead of fumbled.

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01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 1: I would have still tried to try to run the

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01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: you could have tried. I don't know if you would

1505
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: have gotten it off well, because you don't know, Like

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01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, the defense scoops up the ball and they

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01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: run and.

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01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 2: The fumble is bad, right, But I don't know if

1509
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 2: they get the field goal off even if it's a sack,

1510
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 2: So you can't take a sack in that spot. Now,

1511
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 2: this is always the back and forth with Drake. May

1512
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 2: they cover zero blitz him and there's an open gap

1513
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 2: and he tries to sneak out of the pocket. Now

1514
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 2: it didn't work, right, So the results analysis is it

1515
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 2: didn't work. But the other side of it is if

1516
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 2: he gets out of the pocket there and he picks

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01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 2: up the first down with his legs or I think

1518
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 2: it was Booty and Douglas on that side of the field.

1519
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: Booty or Douglas go playground mode and get opened down

1520
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:49,879
Speaker 2: the field and all of a sudden it's a touchdown

1521
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 2: on a broken play. We all are going crazy about

1522
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 2: how great of a play it was by Drake May.

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01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 2: So there's all sorts of different things to it, you know.

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01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 2: To me, I think he probably should have just rowing

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01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 2: it at Hunter Henry's feet and just stop the clock

1526
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 2: and kick the field goal. But if we all are

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01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,640
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Speaker 2: this is the other side of him trying to do stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think in that spot you gotta be more careful

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Speaker 1: with the football. But I get it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was the stuff that gets you beat.

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Speaker 7: So I got a big question for you, Alex. This

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01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 7: has to do with the playoffs. I was reading this

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01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 7: situation or this rule change online. It's that the number

1599
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 7: one seed gets to pick who they played instead of

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Speaker 7: getting to buy, this would be started like more rivalries.

1601
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 7: Imagine getting picked called out if you're like the third

1602
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 7: seed or something and the number one seed wants you

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01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 7: to come to their town. I just want to get

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01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 7: your guys' thoughts on that and who you would pick

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01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 7: if you were the Patriot and you are the number

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01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 7: one seed.

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01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call.

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01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: I've seen that floated as a So the number one

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01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: seed doesn't get a bye, but they so if they

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01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: went to eight teams, right, Baseball, I think Baseball like

1611
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: loosely flirted with this. At one point the number one

1612
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: seed gets to pick who they want to play in

1613
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: the first round. Then the number two seed, unless they

1614
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: get picked by the one, gets to pick who they

1615
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: want to play. So the top four teams I'll get

1616
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,719
Speaker 1: to pick, but like if you're you don't you aren't

1617
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 1: guaranteed to pick. If you're a top four team because

1618
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: one of the teams above you could pick you and

1619
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: then either from there it goes by seating or you

1620
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 1: then pick again with the teams that are left. It

1621
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: would be tremendously entertaining his point. Think about the trash

1622
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: talk we will get into, right if like you're your

1623
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: team gets oh you want to play us? You want

1624
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 1: to Like it would be a lot of fun, I know,

1625
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: because it renders the regular season pretty meaningless. It's just

1626
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: getting in or not. You know, once you clinch your

1627
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: playoff spot, what you do for there doesn't really matter.

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01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: If anything. You kind of don't want to look good, uh,

1629
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, to get favorable picks. So I'm out on it.

1630
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: It's a fun thought in theory, but I'm out.

1631
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 2: I no offense. But that's like a little like that's

1632
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 2: not real, Like that's not that's not something that they

1633
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 2: would really consider.

1634
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: I think, like I don't know if baseball actually considered

1635
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: kind of fantasy high level baseball writer considered it.

1636
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 2: Or what I would just say is like in a

1637
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 2: sport like football, where motivation and those types of things

1638
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 2: mean so much, if you get hand picked by the

1639
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 2: number one seed to play them, that is a ton

1640
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 2: of extra motivation for a team. I think that's actually,

1641
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, would be a disadvantage to

1642
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 2: the number one seed because you're creating that sort of

1643
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 2: narrative sneaky.

1644
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: The best spot to be would be like the fourth

1645
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 1: or fifth seed, because you if you're the last team left.

1646
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: You don't really get to pick. You kind of get

1647
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: a sign.

1648
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 2: I pick Picksburg, by the way, just to play out

1649
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 2: the exercise. I'd play the.

1650
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: Steelers, probably the Steelers, maybe the Chargers.

1651
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 2: This is a weird year. It's not they wanted.

1652
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: To be a healthier to do it.

1653
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,839
Speaker 2: The wildcard teams are good. The wildcard teams are good teams,

1654
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 2: you know. That's I think the number one argument of

1655
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 2: why it's the number one seed in this year is

1656
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 2: so important is that you don't have to play anybody

1657
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 2: from the wildcard because I could easily see and I

1658
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 2: would pick the Patriots over the Texans. But is it

1659
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 2: crazy to say that, like all.

1660
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: Three the teams can win tough game? Yeah, you know,

1661
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: and that's tough, you know.

1662
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 2: So I think that this is one of those years

1663
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 2: where the wildcard teams are better, might be better than

1664
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 2: some of the division winners.

1665
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 1: Better. Worst postseason format picking your opponent or the college

1666
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: football playoffs? The college football playoff, I know your problems

1667
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 1: with that.

1668
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 2: Oh god, it's it's terrible.

1669
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: The group of five auto bids probably dead.

1670
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 2: All right? Mark is in Connecticut. What's up, Mark, big guy?

1671
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 6: Thanks for taking my fall as always, I appreciate it,

1672
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 6: and I just want to start off by saying, Merry Christmas,

1673
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 6: Happy Holidays, thank you for all this you too, So

1674
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 6: just want to start off with that last game. I mean,

1675
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 6: it reminded me of Tom Brady throwing to Juliet Edelman

1676
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 6: just when they got to have it moment, Drake May and.

1677
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 8: Stefan Diggs just they had it. They finally like had

1678
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 8: that connection. And I'm just really excited hoping that that

1679
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 8: will keep on rolling and keep on growing as well.

1680
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 8: The other thing I had is why can't the NFL

1681
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 8: step in when there is a clear and blatant obvious

1682
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 8: miss call. You have two guys, two judges, one of

1683
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 8: the back and one on the size, and the guy

1684
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 8: is getting yanked down three times during the play and

1685
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 8: there is a no call again, Why can't the NFL

1686
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 8: get the call right? We have so much technology today,

1687
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 8: just get the call right.

1688
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 6: Thanks guys, Love you guys.

1689
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 2: Thanks Mark. I'm with you, And you know, talking about

1690
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 2: the officials is probably one of my least favorite things

1691
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 2: to do. It's just not for me. But I am

1692
01:18:57,200 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 2: totally with Mark, and I think it's a slippery slope

1693
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 2: and I get that right, But at some point we

1694
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: have to look at the clear and obvious ones, and

1695
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 2: those ones need to be called correctly, whether that is

1696
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 2: the sky judge simply buzzing down and say, hey, drop

1697
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 2: your flag, like we need to throw this flag. Yeah,

1698
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 2: I think it's the easiest way to do it. It

1699
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: almost doesn't even need to be known by the public

1700
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 2: that it was the sky judge, you know what I mean,

1701
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 2: Like just put earbuds like little you know.

1702
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: IFB's and everybody's ears and so it's not called, and

1703
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 1: then suddenly three minutes later there's.

1704
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 2: A flag three minutes it's got to be one of these.

1705
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: You can't have the late You got to know where

1706
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: it's coming from. You can't have the late flags. Wow,

1707
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: is out of nowhere? Well, I mean we talked about

1708
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: this last week because then it looks like the rest

1709
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: are showing up the place. You need transparencies the name

1710
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:46,920
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1711
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Speaker 2: I don't think I need to hear every single time

1712
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 2: at one of these sky judges makes a call. I

1713
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 2: don't think I need Cleete Blakeman to get on the

1714
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 2: freaking megaphone and tell everybody that it was the sky judge.

1715
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 2: I don't care.

1716
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,719
Speaker 1: No, you have to have transparency with this. I look

1717
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: they have. I don't understand why because you just have

1718
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 1: you seen you haven't seen it the ACC when they

1719
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: go to video review, But.

1720
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 2: I'm not asking them to go to video review. This

1721
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,879
Speaker 2: one with keseean body could be seen in real time.

1722
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 1: But I don't need to point it like so they

1723
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 1: show the actual conversation between the official on the field,

1724
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: and then I.

1725
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 2: Don't need that.

1726
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 1: No, the transparency is so important. Try it just is.

1727
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 2: It's if we're talking about like in bounds, out of bounds,

1728
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 2: a turnover, like a fumble. Is it a fumble?

1729
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: Is it not a fumble?

1730
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 2: Sure? I don't need that for every single I think

1731
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:33,759
Speaker 2: you need.

1732
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: As much transparency with the officials as possible. What I

1733
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: was gonna say is they actually had Remember they put

1734
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: in the ability to challenge those calls at one.

1735
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 2: Point they did and it was a disaster.

1736
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: It was a disaster because they didn't overturn anything, which

1737
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 1: I actually thought was good and they should have let

1738
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: it play out longer because the coaches would have learned, hey,

1739
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: we're not going to use this to overturn the tiki

1740
01:20:56,439 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 1: tax stuff. This is for you know, the Saints' range,

1741
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 1: that that situation, Who was the stupid umpire that costs

1742
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: the guy the perfect game when the runner is clearly

1743
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: outrunning first, like the very clear and obvious.

1744
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 2: I think all that stuff can be expedited.

1745
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: So it can be expedited too. It should be transparently,

1746
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: but it can be expedited. But I would bring back

1747
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: the penalty challenge you give won a game. I'd make

1748
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: it a separate thing, but it has to be known

1749
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: and the officials need to make a point. We're not

1750
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 1: doing the circumcising the mosquito. To use the Jerry Jones phrasing,

1751
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: We're not doing that with this like we do with

1752
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 1: some other plays, like the backwards pass against the Rams. Right,

1753
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: it has to be so clear and obvious. It's going

1754
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 1: to be such a higher standard than what it is

1755
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: for the other challenges.

1756
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 2: So I'm with everybody. I think the number one thing

1757
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 2: though for me, is it's the agregious ones and you

1758
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 2: know it when you see it. I don't need every

1759
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 2: little hole legislated. I don't need every little tug of

1760
01:21:55,880 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 2: the jersey legislated. But when Kijan Budi gets tackled trying

1761
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 2: to with the ball in the air. That needs there

1762
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 2: needs to be a flag thrown on that play. And

1763
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 2: I would say the same thing if it was a

1764
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 2: Baltimore Raven, if it was Rashad Bateman getting tackled by

1765
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 2: Carlton Davis, I would have said the same exact thing.

1766
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 2: You know, the rams, you know, Saints one is what

1767
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 2: the one everybody always brings up. It's not that hard.

1768
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 2: We all know what it looks like when we see it.

1769
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 2: I don't need all the TICKI tag. It shouldn't be

1770
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 2: slowing it down frame by frame. Just simply get the

1771
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 2: egregious ones correct. And all you gotta do is have

1772
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 2: this guy judge radio down say that you missed the

1773
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 2: pass interference, blatant pass in appearance, throw the flag and

1774
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 2: if you want your transparency, then you know Hockey Lee

1775
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 2: whichever sean hockey right, it's not his dad anymore. Well,

1776
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 2: jets on the on the megaphone and says, you know,

1777
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 2: replay assists, you know had a defensive pass interference. We're

1778
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 2: throwing the flag.

1779
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, just like they do with the expedited reviews,

1780
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: I think is the way to do it.

1781
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 2: And we move on no challenges, no video, no long

1782
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 2: video reviews. Just get it over with all right, Sam

1783
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 2: is in Virginia. What's up? Sam?

1784
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,759
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. Two quick questions here.

1785
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 9: I know you talked about personnel on their own defense.

1786
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 9: What do you think about maybe and form genics getting

1787
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 9: some more snaps here. He's been a good edge defender

1788
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,759
Speaker 9: in the past and then a limit here it feels

1789
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 9: like he's also been buying it rushing passer.

1790
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 10: The other thing.

1791
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 9: Just want to recalibrate, where are you guys out on

1792
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 9: the AFC.

1793
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 2: What team?

1794
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 6: Uh?

1795
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 9: Kind of hears you're you're most scared of JAG winning

1796
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 9: in Denver this week was a little eye opening to me.

1797
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 9: I think really rounding in the form of their past games.

1798
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 9: So just kind of cureus what your thoughts in the

1799
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 9: greater AFC. So thanks, He'll pick it off one.

1800
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call of Sam. You know what, honestly,

1801
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 2: I have to admit I don't want to play Buffalo

1802
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 2: at third time.

1803
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's still number one for me.

1804
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 2: Both those games are super close. Both of them came

1805
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 2: down to the wire. It's always wonky when you play

1806
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 2: a division opponent a third time in a playoff game.

1807
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 2: I just don't really have much interest. I don't think

1808
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 2: it's a great matchup for the Patriots defense because of

1809
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: the run game that Buffalo has against you. Obviously, maybe

1810
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 2: the Patriots get healthy and get their guys back on

1811
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 2: defense and that's better, But overall, Buffalo is still number

1812
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 2: one to me. You know, I understand everybody's conversations about Houston.

1813
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 2: Their defense is great. At the same time, I just

1814
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 2: their offense has not really been great all year. I

1815
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 2: like Stroud, he's a good player. I think schematically with

1816
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 2: Nick Kaylee, they've had some problems with play calling and

1817
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 2: with Dex's and No's all year long. They're kind of

1818
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 2: like a middling offense. And I just have a lot

1819
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 2: of confidence that Drake May and Josh McDaniels will put

1820
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 2: up enough points against Houston. It might not be pretty.

1821
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 2: It might it might be kind of like the you know,

1822
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 2: close to you know, twenty three to twenty kind of game.

1823
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 2: That's not exactly a mon elease of offense, because they're

1824
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 2: going to lose some rounds to Houston, no doubt. But

1825
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 2: can you just outscore the Texas. You don't have to outscore,

1826
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 2: you know, a great offense right here.

1827
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: So let's do this. And we did this exercise two

1828
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 1: weeks ago. We say we're gonna do it every week.

1829
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 1: We missed it last week, but it might be a

1830
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: ton refresh. Remember you ranked at the quarterbacks among the

1831
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 1: teams that were over five hundred. Do you want to

1832
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: redo the list?

1833
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 2: Can we just do the AFC playoff teams? I don't

1834
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,600
Speaker 2: want to, you know, Baltimore and in indianapos.

1835
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: So we only did the teams that were over five

1836
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: hundred last time. So it was we're just.

1837
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 2: We're just doing the seven teams that are going to

1838
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 2: the play Well, you're.

1839
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 1: Gonna have Indie last anyway, and then it will be

1840
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: the same list.

1841
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 2: Like Indy, like Indian and Baltimore are we.

1842
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 1: Didn't do Baltimore last time? Okay they were under five hundred.

1843
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 2: Well they're the only two teams that are still alive.

1844
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm just gonna put the Colts last, because

1845
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:45,679
Speaker 1: I know, why.

1846
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 2: Are we doing We don't need to do the Colts.

1847
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 2: Don't last.

1848
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: They're not their last, is what you're saying?

1849
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 2: They're not going?

1850
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: Or is there somebody you're nervous to rank behind the Colts?

1851
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 1: Is that the issue.

1852
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 2: No, all right, So can I just rank them in

1853
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 2: order first to the last, because it's easier that way.

1854
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, even with the foot Josh.

1855
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 2: Allen number one, I don't I'm not a doctor. I

1856
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 2: don't do right. I don't do that.

1857
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: Just reminder this was we included the Patriots in this.

1858
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, all right, Drake May number two, Herbert okay, three.

1859
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 1: Should I tell you the listener, No, I'm not gonna

1860
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: tell you. Listen last time. I want to see if

1861
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 1: anything changing now.

1862
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,799
Speaker 2: It gets now, it's when it gets starts to get harder.

1863
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 2: I would say Stroud for I think Stroud is is good.

1864
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 2: I like Stroud. I would then go Rogers has been

1865
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 2: better of late. He's been better the last couple of weeks.

1866
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 2: All right, Trevor is just so streaky, and you know

1867
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 2: how I.

1868
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 1: Feel about you got to put them in some order.

1869
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Rogers for now, because I think he's

1870
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 2: been better. I think he's played well the last couple

1871
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 2: of weeks. I'll give it a bon Nix and I'll

1872
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 2: put Trevor.

1873
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 1: Wow.

1874
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was me being nice to bow Nicks.

1875
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 2: You did not play well last week, but he played

1876
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 2: really well against Green Bay.

1877
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 1: You are nothing if not consistent. The only thing you

1878
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: changed from two weeks ago Rogers and Knicks were flipped.

1879
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 1: There you go, So you had Knicks fifth, Rogers sixth.

1880
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,759
Speaker 1: Now it's Rogers fifth and Nick sixth, and then Trevor

1881
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 1: Lawrence and so all right, you're you're still pretty much

1882
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: where you were on the quarterbacks. I, especially with the

1883
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 1: foot injury, I'd put Drake May one. I'd have Trevor

1884
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 1: Lawrence higher, I'd put him ahead of Knicks. You're right,

1885
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 1: Rogers has been the only.

1886
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 2: Reason why I have Josh Allen one is because he

1887
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 2: has playoff.

1888
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair, and you are more in line

1889
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: with that than you were last time because you have

1890
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 1: Rogers over Knicks.

1891
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 2: That's the only reason why I have Josh Allen ahead

1892
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 2: of Drake. If Drake may goes out there and plays

1893
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 2: great in the postseason, I my mind might change. But

1894
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 2: Josh Allen has not been the reason why the Bills.

1895
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 1: So you're more or less where you were two weeks

1896
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:50,919
Speaker 1: ago in terms of the quarterbacks.

1897
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you know this. The Patriots really

1898
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 2: the only game where I'd feel strongly that the Patriots

1899
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,719
Speaker 2: don't have the best quarterback is against Buffalo. Now, Herbert's awesome.

1900
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 2: Herbert's great, so he's right there with those guys. I

1901
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 2: think Herbert is probably going to finish in the top

1902
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 2: five MVP voting as well. He's had a great year

1903
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 2: and he's a great player. But those three guys are

1904
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 2: the best quarterbacks in the field right now for sure.

1905
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 2: And then it kind of drops off after there, and

1906
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 2: it's sort of like a tier, you know, like that

1907
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 2: that top tier of Alan May, Herbert, and then there's

1908
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 2: a gap and then there's the rest of these guys.

1909
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 2: I think, you know, bo Knicks is just last week

1910
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 2: he was not so good against Jacksonville. The week before

1911
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 2: that he was great against Green Bay. I just can't

1912
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 2: get a great feel for him. Trevor Lawrence kind of

1913
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 2: same thing. Streaky, streaky quarterback.

1914
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1915
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. I'm still not sure how if Aaron Rodgers

1916
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 2: is good or bad.

1917
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 1: We're starting getting like, is Aaron Rodgers just pissed off

1918
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 1: and on the revenge tour? But also we know what

1919
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 1: he's been in the playoffs. Yeah, but no, I think

1920
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 1: that's mostly a fair list. Again, I'd quibble with a couple,

1921
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 1: but I think you're more or less in the ballpark.

1922
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 2: You would have Drake May ahead of Josh.

1923
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: Allen if his foot's messed up.

1924
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 2: Okay, oh, I just said I'm not I'm not taking

1925
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 2: the facts.

1926
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: He's like missing practices before. It is a huge game.

1927
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,440
Speaker 2: It's a big game. They need to keep winning.

1928
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: So right, Like, I'm not a doctor either, but is

1929
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: I would consider Allan missing practice a week if they

1930
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 1: were playing the Jets, I might not read into it

1931
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 1: as much. I would consider Alan missing practice in a

1932
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 1: week like this a red flag. It's not good now.

1933
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 1: It's not open heart surgery. No, it's not a former

1934
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: head coach. There's probably only one guy that can split

1935
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 1: his hand open and go out and win the AFC

1936
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 1: Championship the next week. He don't make him like that

1937
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 1: guy anymore. They didn't before, and they don't know. Josh

1938
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 1: Allen's pretty tough, though, Josh Allen, Josh Allen's pretty tough.

1939
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 2: And I would say that. You know, with Alan the

1940
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,719
Speaker 2: second half against Cleveland, I watched almost all that game.

1941
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 2: He was not the same guy.

1942
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 1: And the second looked uncomfortable.

1943
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 2: So if he wasn't moving around, he wasn't bouncing around.

1944
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 2: He wasn't using his legs. So if that's how he

1945
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 2: looks on Sunday against Philly, maybe he's better by the

1946
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 2: time the playoffs come around, because he's got a couple

1947
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,759
Speaker 2: of weeks. But if I was Buffalo, you know, I'd

1948
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 2: be a little bit worried.

1949
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 1: We might need to read the list again next week

1950
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 1: when we see how he looks.

1951
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 2: Can we talk about the Bills for a second, because

1952
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 2: I know you love talking about the Bills.

1953
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:05,719
Speaker 1: I always love talking about the Bills.

1954
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 2: I'm definitely coming more towards your side of the street

1955
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 2: with the Bills a little bit. And I think the

1956
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 2: main thing that I'm coming towards your side of the

1957
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 2: street on is I think it's being severely downplayed. How

1958
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 2: much if a failure would be to lose the division

1959
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 2: to the Patriots.

1960
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:22,799
Speaker 1: Can't say bad things about the Buffalo Bills there everybody's

1961
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 1: feel good.

1962
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,599
Speaker 2: I think it's getting masked by the fact that they

1963
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,560
Speaker 2: still are eleven and four and are going to the

1964
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 2: playoffs and they're still very good team. So I think

1965
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 2: a lot of people are saying are kind of glossing

1966
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 2: over it, and I get the vision titles or it

1967
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 2: are not Super Bowls, and you don't hang banners for

1968
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 2: them here in New England. And I get that, but

1969
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 2: coming into the season, the Bills were a heavy, heavy

1970
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 2: favorite to win the AFC East, Like, there was no

1971
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 2: way the Bills really should have lost the division this

1972
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 2: year to the Patriots. Now, the Patriots have been much

1973
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 2: better than expectation, but a step back in the division

1974
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 2: by losing the division to the Patriot it's and then

1975
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 2: in a playoff exit, Like, I just don't know how

1976
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 2: you keep going forward with this with Sean McDermott and

1977
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 2: Billy and I was gonna say, Billy Bean and Brandon Bean, like,

1978
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 2: I don't know how you keep doing running it back

1979
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 2: and running it back and running it back, because if

1980
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 2: they let's just say, let's play it out, and I'm

1981
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 2: sure you'll be happy to play it out this way,

1982
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 2: they're gonna lose the division to the Patriots if there

1983
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 2: are been one and done in the playoffs, Like let's

1984
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 2: say they lose to like Jacksonville in the first round

1985
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 2: of the playoffs. I don't know how that's not like

1986
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 2: an abject failure, like and it just it's odd to

1987
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 2: me that we're kind of glossing over the fact that

1988
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 2: Buffalo has regressed like that is a big regression. For

1989
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 2: Buffalo to go from Division champs five years in a

1990
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 2: row to one and done as a wildcard team is

1991
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 2: a huge regression from Buffalo.

1992
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 1: And I'd like to think the way we're the reason

1993
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 1: it's not being dissect is because everybody saw it coming.

1994
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 1: I don't think that's it. They got older, they lost

1995
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 1: talent off the roster. It's the NFL is not designed.

1996
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna make this a Bills thing. I mean,

1997
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 1: I'll make it, and I know the Chiefs have some

1998
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 1: injuries and stuff, but like remember a couple of years ago,

1999
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 1: the conversation was, well, the Bills have Josh Allen their wagon.

2000
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 1: The Dolphins just signed this wonder kid offensive genius named

2001
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel, and look out, the Jets got future Hall

2002
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 1: of Fame Ran Rodgers. Like there were people saying for

2003
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: the next five years, the Patriots can't win the division.

2004
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 1: Don't even bother, right, And I just it's not to

2005
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 1: take a victory lap or like you know, defend the wall,

2006
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: wave the Patriots flag. It's that's not how the NFL works.

2007
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 1: There is an undercurrent, an active undercurrent in the NFL

2008
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:34,759
Speaker 1: designed to make the good teams bad and the bad

2009
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 1: team's good with the great everybody back to the men

2010
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 1: right with the great organizations know how to do is

2011
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 1: hold off that undercurrent as long as possible. You really

2012
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 1: have like a three to four year window if you're

2013
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 1: lucky to be a good team. The great organizations can

2014
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 1: stretch that to like six or seven. Twenty years is ridiculous. Yeah,

2015
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 1: twenty years is by no means the standard. It never

2016
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 1: will be. It will never be done again.

2017
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:59,959
Speaker 2: So the Chiefs did it for ten The Chiefs.

2018
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: Did it and it was like a soft head well

2019
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,640
Speaker 1: because Alex Smith years where they were fine. Sure, so

2020
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:09,600
Speaker 1: they did it from what eighteighteen eighteen they were the

2021
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 1: name championship came eighteen to twenty. That's a pretty good run.

2022
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 1: That's what six years, seven years, So that's a good run.

2023
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 1: Should feel good. That's a good run. Eight years the

2024
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 1: eight year you're making me do math Like the Bills

2025
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 1: are caught in that undertow right now. Yeah, the Bills

2026
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 1: are caught in that undertowe and they can't get out

2027
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: of it. And yes they still have Josh Allen. He

2028
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 1: will keep them at a certain level. I don't think

2029
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna be picking first overall anytime soon. But the

2030
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: fact that everybody thought the Buffalo Bills, for whatever reason,

2031
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: were going to be immune to this cycle that comes

2032
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: for everybody not named Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. I

2033
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:47,679
Speaker 1: don't know, but it's catching up to him. And look,

2034
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: maybe they still can win this year. The Patriots won

2035
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 1: as the cycle is catching up to them. In twenty eighteen,

2036
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 1: the cycles catching up to them again, they still wan

2037
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 1: second again, Right, well, they kind of dodged it as

2038
01:33:58,320 --> 01:33:59,600
Speaker 1: well as you can dodge it the first time. But

2039
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 1: like that's the other thing, Like the AFC is weak

2040
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 1: because it's going to be they have to do it,

2041
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: they don't do it. To see, they're not going to

2042
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: do it.

2043
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 2: I keep on bringing up the same comparison to and

2044
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 2: I know people don't necessarily like crossing sports, but it's

2045
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four Celtics, like.

2046
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 1: I've said that get furious when I said that.

2047
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 2: Path has completely cleared, you know, the deck has completely cleared.

2048
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 2: And if you don't do it that year, then when

2049
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 2: is it going to happen with this setup? Right, I'm

2050
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 2: not saying it will never happen for Josh Allen, because

2051
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,600
Speaker 2: you know how I feel about Josh Allen. But with McDermott,

2052
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 2: are they hitting their ceiling as a team. I think

2053
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 2: you could make a really good case that they are.

2054
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 1: That this is sort of hit it. I think they're

2055
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 1: below their ceiling. Your ceiling was probably like three whatever

2056
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 1: that digs years. Yeah, and then you know you get

2057
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 1: the question of and by the way, the Saint. You

2058
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: can say the Saint just so I'm not picking on

2059
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:47,839
Speaker 1: the Bills. He can say same thing about the Bengals,

2060
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 1: about Joe Burrow. At what point does that Matthew Stafford

2061
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: path start to look really attractive to those guys.

2062
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 2: You can say the same thing about Baltimore right now

2063
01:34:56,160 --> 01:35:00,040
Speaker 2: with Lamara Jackson. I mean they're they're going backwards. That

2064
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 2: team is not gonna make the playoffs. Now Lamar got hurt, right, Still,

2065
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 2: they're not gonna make the plays.

2066
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 1: I think the unique thing for all three of those

2067
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:09,599
Speaker 1: guys is they haven't They've only had one head coach. Yeah,

2068
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 1: so maybe you know, they give another coach a try.

2069
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't think any of them are asking out this year.

2070
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 1: That thing's gonna be looming. That thing is going to

2071
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:21,680
Speaker 1: be looming, and you know the Jets are gonna have

2072
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 1: picks for the next couple of years.

2073
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 2: It's crazy how great of jobs those would be, right,

2074
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:33,440
Speaker 2: if you have openings in Baltimore, Buffalo, what was it there? Cincinnati?

2075
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 2: Eventually Andy Reid's gonna hang it out.

2076
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 1: So I threw this out there the other day on

2077
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 1: the Morning Show on ninety eight five, Like, do any

2078
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 1: of those teams almost get scared off for firing their coach?

2079
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 1: Especially the Ravens, Right, John Harbaugh is a great coach

2080
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: and his time has come, and it just they probably

2081
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 1: just need to part ways. I think Andy Reid and Philly, right,

2082
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 1: But you can't just fire Harbor to fire Harbor and

2083
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 1: replacing with who ever if the Ravens job opens, what's

2084
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 1: the better job? The Ravens are the Chiefs.

2085
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 2: Ravens really, yeah, I think their rosters better.

2086
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, well then that derails my day. I

2087
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 1: was gonna say, like, you can't fire John Harbaugh and

2088
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 1: then suddenly be like the fourth team left, like the

2089
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 1: fourth most popular team in the coaching game.

2090
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 2: I mean, so I would say that it's probably more

2091
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 2: like mahomes mahomes of those chief If you look at

2092
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 2: the rest of the roster. Yeah, I think it's Baltimore

2093
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 2: because there there are other pieces that are younger, like

2094
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones are probably at the end too,

2095
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 2: Like this is probably Travis Kelcey's last.

2096
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 1: If all four were to open up, Chiefs, Ravens, Bills, Bengals. Yeah,

2097
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:42,599
Speaker 1: most attractive to least attractive job.

2098
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 2: Bill's number one.

2099
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: Okay, we can't put the Ravens ahead of the Chiefs

2100
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 1: and then say the Bills are ahead because of the roster.

2101
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 1: The Bills roster thinks Bill's number one, Okay, all right,

2102
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 1: Josh Allen fan.

2103
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 2: Boy, But it's it's just it's just obvious, like he's

2104
01:36:57,320 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 2: he's the youngest of those guys, is he. Yeah, he's

2105
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 2: the best of those guys. Like he's definitely younger than Mahomes.

2106
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 2: Uh so, I I just Bills and Allen's like twenty eight,

2107
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 2: twenty nine.

2108
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 1: He is maybe Joe Burrow's younger, about like seven months.

2109
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe Burrow. I forgot about Burrow. I was thinking

2110
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:16,599
Speaker 2: more of Lamar.

2111
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 1: I think he is young. So all right, Bills are

2112
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: number one, Ravens real number one, Chiefs yep, Bengals because

2113
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 1: the Bengals team is Joe Burrow and Jamar chasing T.

2114
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 2: Higgins and that's nothing. Their defense is So.

2115
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 1: You say you rank it basically by how good the

2116
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 1: roster is, except the team with the worst roster.

2117
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 2: I don't, for I don't think they have the worst roster.

2118
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 1: Oh I think their rosters worse than Bills, or worse

2119
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 1: than Bengals.

2120
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:48,839
Speaker 2: Worse than the Bengals.

2121
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least the Bengals are chasing Higgins.

2122
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 2: What how is it worse than the Bengals. The Bengals

2123
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 2: have nobody on defense. Their defense is terrible.

2124
01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: The Bill's defense is old.

2125
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 2: So I guess they have Rousseau, they have Benford, they

2126
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 2: have Oliver like they have good players on defense. They

2127
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 2: Terroll Bernard is a good linebacker. All I guess I

2128
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 2: don't know their defense. They don't have the star power

2129
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 2: the Bengals do. Not I mean, they don't have the

2130
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 2: skill talent that the Bengals do. But other than that,

2131
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 2: I think they have a better roster everywhere else. Their

2132
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 2: offensive line is better than the Bengals. Their run game

2133
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 2: is better. James Cook is better than anybody.

2134
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: All right, I might have got caught up in the moment,

2135
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:29,640
Speaker 1: they don't have a better roster than the Ravens, though I.

2136
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 2: Think it's close with the Ravens. I think it's close.

2137
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 2: I would just take Josh Allen over the Mark, but

2138
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 2: it's it's a that one's close. The Kansas City roster,

2139
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 2: the issue is everybody's old, Like like they're guys, you know, Kelsey,

2140
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 2: Chris Jones, like those guys have to be. I'm sure.

2141
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 1: I think the Bills are, like Dawkins is older, you know,

2142
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 1: some of those guys on defense, Milano is still playing,

2143
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 1: Poyer is still playing a key role for him.

2144
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 2: Poyer doesn't play a ton Milano. Milano is is older,

2145
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:58,879
Speaker 2: and that's a bit of a problem.

2146
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 1: But I think they're through Bosa edge.

2147
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 2: They've tried their best to kind of move on from

2148
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 2: a lot of those guys. Though. Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. No,

2149
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they don't have holes. I just I

2150
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:14,880
Speaker 2: would say their roster is good enough that when you

2151
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 2: have the best quarterback in the league on top of it,

2152
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 2: I'm saying Buffalo, but it's close with Baltimore, Kansas City.

2153
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 2: Outside of like Trent McDuffie, I just don't have a lot.

2154
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 2: I just don't know what else you're building around.

2155
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 1: Duffy you have. I think he's a good player.

2156
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 2: Player, his heads on Checko hasn't been the same guy.

2157
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:37,439
Speaker 2: That super Bowl run was good.

2158
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 1: It's fair. I don't know what. The Chiefs have a

2159
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 1: ways to go.

2160
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 2: The Chiefs their roster's not very good. That's why I

2161
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 2: keep like, that's why everyone's like so stunned that they're

2162
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 2: out of the playoffs and homes and all that stuff.

2163
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 2: It's like, look at the team, like the roster is

2164
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 2: not good, right, you know that roster is really not good.

2165
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 2: All right, let's do ten minutes on the Jets. That's

2166
01:39:57,680 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 2: probably ten more minutes than we need to spend on

2167
01:39:59,479 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 2: the Jets.

2168
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:00,719
Speaker 7: Uh.

2169
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 2: This, to me, there's called there's three different ways to

2170
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 2: categorize this game against the Jets. Number one is to say,

2171
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:12,919
Speaker 2: any given Sunday, right, is the NFL weird crap happens?

2172
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 2: Cleveland just played Buffalo tough in Cleveland last week. You

2173
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 2: know that that thing, right, like this could happen. I heard,

2174
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:22,599
Speaker 2: and I love him the debt, but I heard Mike

2175
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 2: Reese talking like up the Jets the other day and

2176
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 2: saying that this is a sneaky hard game. I love you, Mike,

2177
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 2: I do, but it's not I'm sorry. Okay, the Jets,

2178
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:33,679
Speaker 2: this Jets team, I can't do the any given Sunday angle.

2179
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 2: I just can't. But that at a angle's there if

2180
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 2: you want it.

2181
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 1: You know what the twenty nineteen Dolphins beg to differ.

2182
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 2: The twenty nineteen Dolphins, though, had a better team than

2183
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 2: this they did, and better coach and they had fits magic. Yeah,

2184
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:49,600
Speaker 2: you know, like it's not Brady Cook, who is probably

2185
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 2: the tape commander right now for the Jets more than anything.

2186
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might have been wrong about my Brady Cook take.

2187
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he stinks.

2188
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:57,720
Speaker 1: I said, like seventh round project. Guy. It's not like

2189
01:40:57,720 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 1: I was ready to know.

2190
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 2: I mean that's okay. I'm not like killing you for it.

2191
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 2: Just he's not good. So there's that angle. I'll allow

2192
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:10,880
Speaker 2: that to be part of the discussion. The second angle

2193
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:15,840
Speaker 2: to me is the seeding, the division, the stakes that

2194
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 2: come with the game in terms of all of that,

2195
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 2: which is important. You know, the Patriots can win the

2196
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,880
Speaker 2: AFC East on Sunday if they beat the Jets and

2197
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:27,400
Speaker 2: the Eagles beat the Bills, they're gonna be AFC's chances.

2198
01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 1: But go birds go, Birds, there you go.

2199
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 2: I think that would be big. I think that taking

2200
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 2: Week eighteen out of this and kind of just letting

2201
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 2: you coast is probably the best.

2202
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 1: Case scenario because then, so I don't know if you've

2203
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 1: seen this, I've tried to figure this out. I can't

2204
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 1: find a scenario where it doesn't happen. But if the

2205
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 1: Patriots win the division, yes, I don't think they can

2206
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:51,240
Speaker 1: get the three seed. Like if they lose enough games

2207
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,640
Speaker 1: to fall to the three seed, I think that just

2208
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 1: means that they are the wild card.

2209
01:41:56,360 --> 01:42:00,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds so, because they're one game ahead to Jacksonville.

2210
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 1: Right, I don't think they have the head to head

2211
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 1: or the tiebreaker, whatever the tie breaker is. So if

2212
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:10,680
Speaker 1: you win this week and clinch the division, you can

2213
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:12,320
Speaker 1: assent even if you don't get the bye. You can

2214
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 1: essentially create your own pseudo bye week. We can, so

2215
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:18,879
Speaker 1: now that's usually locked into the tune of I'm not positive.

2216
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,600
Speaker 2: I think the tricky part is, of course, that the

2217
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 2: Chargers and the Broncos playing Week eighteen, that game could

2218
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 2: get flexed into the primetime Sunday night slot because it

2219
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 2: could be for the AFC West if they both if

2220
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 2: the Chargers win on Saturday against Houston, then they are

2221
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:38,720
Speaker 2: are going to if they beat the Broncos in week eighteen.

2222
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:41,759
Speaker 1: They the head to head. So who has the number

2223
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:44,680
Speaker 1: one seed tiebreaker between the Patriots and Chargers.

2224
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:47,160
Speaker 2: The Patriots if the Patriots went out. Interesting, So that

2225
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 2: that's that's the difference there, right, Okay, But I think

2226
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 2: this is I still feel this way. I said this yesterday.

2227
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:57,479
Speaker 2: I think you can beat the Dolphins as long as

2228
01:42:57,560 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 2: Drake May plays. And it's one of those games that

2229
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:05,080
Speaker 2: at it's conservative and I know you're getting Steven Jackson

2230
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:05,759
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen.

2231
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but wouldn't it be nice if he didn't have

2232
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 1: to Well, I.

2233
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 2: Think he's going to have to if you want to

2234
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 2: not out. But the inactives that that day can be

2235
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:19,679
Speaker 2: Robert Spallane Kiris Tonga, you know, if you don't want

2236
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:22,719
Speaker 2: to play Milton Williams. You know, like all of these

2237
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 2: guys that are banged up that you need to get

2238
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,759
Speaker 2: healthy for the playoffs. None of those guys need to play.

2239
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:32,599
Speaker 2: But let's be also clear about something. Somebody has to play.

2240
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 2: So you can't bench all twenty two starters on both

2241
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 2: sides of the ball. Doesn't work like that in football,

2242
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 2: you can't do that.

2243
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 1: Not even so when you're losing team you can because

2244
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 1: you just put half your team on hot ir inside

2245
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:45,639
Speaker 1: your practice squad.

2246
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:47,720
Speaker 2: You can't do that now, right, So you can't do that.

2247
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 2: So some of their starters are going to have to

2248
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:56,679
Speaker 2: play against Miami. Now, maybe it's Austin Hooper getting more

2249
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 2: run instead of Hunter Henry, and it's Kyle Williams getting

2250
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 2: more run, and Vawn Diggs and Charles a Lot like

2251
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:05,240
Speaker 2: you do that sort of thing. But some people are

2252
01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 2: gonna have to play. So there's that angle, the seating,

2253
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 2: all that stuff. The other the last angle that I

2254
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 2: think is the most important to me is it's a

2255
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 2: classic tune up game. It is a classic. We are

2256
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:22,639
Speaker 2: gonna play bmidgie state as Alabama in the second game

2257
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:27,520
Speaker 2: of the season, and we are going to win by seventy.

2258
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:30,120
Speaker 1: Mercer mercer, sure, uh.

2259
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 2: And we're gonna you know, al Corn State and we're

2260
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 2: gonna win by one hundred. But we're gonna feel good

2261
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:39,839
Speaker 2: about ourselves doing it. Maybe the Jets press some buttons

2262
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,880
Speaker 2: or pull some levers that have given the Patriots some issues,

2263
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 2: you know running the ball. Obviously with breist Hall, you know,

2264
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 2: some of the coverage stuff that they did in Week

2265
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 2: eleven in the second half could come back. And so

2266
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 2: you get practice, live in game practice against these things,

2267
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:58,240
Speaker 2: and it's not the same path, it's not the same team.

2268
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:01,880
Speaker 2: But the twenty eighteen team, it was definitely the Bills.

2269
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 2: I think it was the Bills and the Jets. I

2270
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:05,599
Speaker 2: don't remember if it was the Bills and the Dolphins

2271
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 2: or the Bills and the Jets, but they played two

2272
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:09,599
Speaker 2: division games at the end of the year. In twenty eighteen,

2273
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:13,559
Speaker 2: they got right, they got their stuff figured out, They

2274
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 2: figured out their run game to leaniles in the playoffs

2275
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 2: at home, and it completely flipped the season from the

2276
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 2: Miami miracle and the Pittsburgh lost to a super Bowl team.

2277
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:27,160
Speaker 2: And so you can use tune up games to your advantage.

2278
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 2: And I think that that's another thing that you'd like

2279
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:32,720
Speaker 2: to see. Can they get the run defense settled down

2280
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 2: against a good run game back to back weeks, because

2281
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:38,759
Speaker 2: Devon Ahan, if he plays for Miami and Week eight eighteen,

2282
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:40,920
Speaker 2: is one of the best running backs in the league

2283
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 2: this year, Yeah, and Bresol is a good player. Can

2284
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,639
Speaker 2: you get the run defense figured out if the Jets

2285
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:49,679
Speaker 2: play man to man coverage, if they play drop eight,

2286
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 2: if they play a lot of too high shell like

2287
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 2: all that was different things that teams have started to

2288
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:56,960
Speaker 2: do against the Patriots more and more. Here's this is

2289
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,439
Speaker 2: an opportunity to kind of get some live in game

2290
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 2: practice against that type of stuff. I don't think that

2291
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:04,720
Speaker 2: there's any scenario that I could come up with where

2292
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 2: the score or the result of the game is in doubt,

2293
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 2: but it would be nice to see them shore up

2294
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 2: some of these things going into the postseason. So I

2295
01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:18,679
Speaker 2: would have felt differently about Miami if Miami didn't fall

2296
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:21,479
Speaker 2: apart and Tuo was still playing and they were like

2297
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 2: that would have reminded me of twenty nineteen, like a

2298
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 2: frisky Dolphins team. This Jets team is not that. This

2299
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:29,840
Speaker 2: Jets team is in a free fall.

2300
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tcob game, take care of business.

2301
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Brady Cook terrible against the Blitz. So if they

2302
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 2: have to start pulling out some things, heating him up

2303
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 2: is probably the path that they're going to take. He

2304
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:47,680
Speaker 2: is the least efficient quarterback out of forty five qualified quarterbacks.

2305
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 2: He is forty fifth out of forty five, and epage

2306
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:56,560
Speaker 2: per drop back against the Blitz he is double worse.

2307
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:59,479
Speaker 1: Than the next closest guy. Wow, So cam Ward is

2308
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 1: like minus can't Ward really? Yeah?

2309
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 2: Cam Ward is like minus by these numbers, I wish

2310
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:09,639
Speaker 2: they were easier to digest minus zero point five against

2311
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 2: the Blitz. Brady Cook is minus one point one six

2312
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 2: against the Blitz. Okay, anything over one in either direction

2313
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:22,559
Speaker 2: is insane. Like that is like categorically insane on a

2314
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:25,439
Speaker 2: play to play basis. So if they have to do something,

2315
01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:27,600
Speaker 2: if this game is closer than they want it to

2316
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:30,240
Speaker 2: be and they have to start making some plays, heating

2317
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:31,880
Speaker 2: up Brady Cook is the way to go. You know,

2318
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:34,679
Speaker 2: a guy can't handle a Blitz. So that's the Jets.

2319
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 2: You have anything else to add on the Jets?

2320
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:38,559
Speaker 1: That much it?

2321
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:41,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so well we can end it there. We want

2322
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 2: it a little bit early. Look at us, Look at us.

2323
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 2: This never happens. I wish I had more to tell

2324
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 2: you about the Jets. I'll give you one little thing

2325
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:51,640
Speaker 2: about the Jets actually, because you know, I don't like

2326
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:55,840
Speaker 2: ending early. I don't like short changing the people. Sneaky

2327
01:47:56,600 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 2: Christian Zalees eighty Mitchell matchup. Ad Mitchell gave him some.

2328
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,599
Speaker 1: Issues, problems, He just got dropping the ball.

2329
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Week eleven wasn't the best for Christian Gonzalez. I

2330
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 2: didn't think last week was particularly great for Christian Gonzalez either,

2331
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:13,360
Speaker 2: so you can shut people like me up. Even though

2332
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:15,519
Speaker 2: Brady Cook's going to be throwing in the ball, I'm

2333
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:17,519
Speaker 2: still going to watch and see if he's winning routes

2334
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:20,559
Speaker 2: or not. Right, So I would like to see Christian

2335
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:24,519
Speaker 2: Gonzalez kind of be a little bit like mad that

2336
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 2: Adie Mitchell got him a couple of times the last time,

2337
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 2: and this time really take Adie Mitchell out of the game.

2338
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 2: We'll obviously be watching Milton Williams if he comes back.

2339
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 2: That will be one to just watch how he looks

2340
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 2: and how he's moving and things like that. And you know,

2341
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:42,080
Speaker 2: this could be the last game for Vederian Low at

2342
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 2: left tackle because Will Campbell will be eligible to come

2343
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:48,640
Speaker 2: back against the Dolphins. But Will McDonald is probably one

2344
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 2: of the Jets' best players and probably one of the

2345
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:54,559
Speaker 2: only like bright spots on that defense which has been horrid,

2346
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:57,880
Speaker 2: and he'll be rushing off the left side on Vederian Low.

2347
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:00,880
Speaker 2: So those are some matchups look out for. But I

2348
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:03,679
Speaker 2: am watching Gonzales closely against Mitchell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see how he bounces back in that matchup

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Speaker 1: because he Yeah, Mitchell got him a couple times last night.

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Speaker 1: All right, there we go.

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Speaker 2: It got us to eleven fifty. All right, Alex and

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Speaker 2: I will be back next week. We will do a

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Speaker 2: show on New Year's Eve as well, and we will

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Speaker 2: recap this Jets game, talk about the Dolphins, look at

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Speaker 2: the AFC playoff picture, which we'll really be down to

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Speaker 2: the wire. Maybe well that those games won't happen yet,

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Speaker 2: right because your college football playoffs has got a stupid schedule,

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Speaker 2: so we won't talk college football.

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Speaker 1: First game will be well, the first game will be

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Speaker 1: that night, so we get in.

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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe a little bit of that as well. All right,

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Speaker 2: so we'll see you guys then. Patriots unfilter will be

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Speaker 2: up in ten minutes. Hey, this is Alex.

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