1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now, thanks 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: for being here, everybody, appreciate all of you. So, our 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: friend Laura angram Over at Fox News had a sit 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: down with President Trump and they got into a whole 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: range of issues, very good interviews, and there's a couple 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: of moments, a couple of takeaways from it that I 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: think it's important for us to have a little discussion about. 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: One of them is is this it gets to H 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: one B visas and the government, the administration approach to 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: the H one B visas, which. 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: This was a discussion that led right around a year ago. 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: Actually, there was a pretty intense online exchange about this 13 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: involving Elon Musk, who went. 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: Completely scored short in favor of H one b's. 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: Until people provided him with the data, the information to 16 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: show that the H one B visa program is actually 17 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: really abused and it can be very exploitative, and it's 18 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: unfair to the American people. It needs dramatic reform. And 19 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: Vivek Ramaswami also weighed in on this one, and it 20 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: was a moment where Maga was saying, hold on a second, 21 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: I don't think that we have to celebrate other cultures 22 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: over American culture. When it comes to excellence, I think 23 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: America is the culture of global excellence. It was not 24 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: a good moment for mister vivek Uh and there was 25 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth and it was all 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: over this H one B situation. Now Lord Ingram pressed 27 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: Trump on this, and here's how the exchange went play 28 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: cut one. 29 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: Does that mean the H one B visa saying will 30 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: not be a big priority for your administration because if 31 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 3: you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't 32 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: flood the country with tens of thousands or US eyes. 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 4: I agree, but we also do have to bring in 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 4: talent when we country are talented. 35 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: I know you don't know. 36 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: You don't We don't have talent that now you don't have. 37 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 4: You don't have certain talents, and you have to people 38 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 4: have to learn. You can't take people off an unimployment 39 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 4: like an unemployment line and say I'm going to put 40 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 4: you into a factory, we're going to make missiles or 41 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 4: I'm going to puty. 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: Do we ever do it before? 43 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 4: Well, you and I I'll give you an example. In Georgia, 44 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 4: they raided because they wanted illegal immigrants. They had people 45 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 4: from from South Korea that need batteries all their lives. 46 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 4: You know, making batteries are very complicated. 47 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: It's not an. 48 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 4: Easy thing and very dangerous. A lot of explosions, a 49 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 4: lot of problems. They had like five or six hundred 50 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 4: people early stages to make batteries and to teach people 51 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 4: how to do it. Well, they wanted them to get 52 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 4: out of the country. You're going to need that, laure 53 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 4: I mean, I know you and I disagree on this. 54 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 4: You can't just say a country's coming in, going to 55 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 4: invest ten billion dollars to build a plant and going 56 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: to take people off an unemployment line who haven't worked 57 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 4: in five years, and they're going to start making missiles. 58 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: It doesn't okay, Well. 59 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: This is a very important discussion, but Clay, We're sorry, guys. 60 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: We we got to put a pin in it because 61 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: we were gonna have Robbie Starbick on. We had a 62 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: little tech issue. But we can get him on now. 63 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: The phone line situation got squared away, so Robbie Starbuck 64 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: joins us. 65 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: Now. 66 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: He's a conservative activist and many of you are familiar 67 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: with his work. 68 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: Robbie, thanks for being here. 69 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: Tell us your story, man, because you wanted to come on, 70 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: and I think people need to know about what's been 71 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: going on. 72 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for happing me on. Yeah, it's been wild 73 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 5: what has happened. Essentially two years ago, I found out 74 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 5: the Google's AI, which then was called Bard, was saying 75 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 5: all kinds of crazy stuff about me that just wasn't true, 76 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 5: from saying that I was a supporter of the KKK 77 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 5: to even making arguments for the death penalty because I 78 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 5: guess some of my takes offend people on the left. 79 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 5: But then it got much worse when they introduced Gemini 80 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 5: and Gemma. Gemini and Gemma went so far as to 81 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 5: make accusations that I was accused of sexual assault, of 82 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 5: raping people, including people who are PG as possible for 83 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 5: the audience in case there's kids in the car. But 84 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 5: you know, it can't be stressed enough how hard we 85 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 5: tried to get Google to stop this. I notified them 86 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 5: starting two years ago that this was going on, and 87 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 5: my lawyers at Dylan Law Firm have been repeatedly letting 88 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 5: them know and sending season desist letters throughout this year, 89 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 5: and Google just continued to allow this stuff to go on. 90 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 5: The lies got so intense, so elaborate that you almost 91 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 5: can't believe it. And it came from prompts as simple 92 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 5: as tell me about Robbie Starbuck or somebody looking me up, right, 93 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 5: So this wasn't somebody saying, hey, invent a story. It 94 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 5: was as simple as tell me about this guy, right. 95 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 5: And it got so detailed that invented fake court records, 96 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 5: fake police records, fake victims, fake therapy records. And it 97 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 5: would get so detailed that if you said, hey, what 98 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 5: are your sources for this, it would invent fake court 99 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 5: records and also fake media articles. Okay, so it would 100 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 5: say foxnews dot com slash Rob Starbucks, sexual assault allegations. 101 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 5: There's something along those lines. And it did that with 102 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 5: all of the major media outlets essentially and some of 103 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 5: the biggest figures in media. It even invented fake statements 104 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 5: from JD. Vans and President Trump about the situation. So 105 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 5: this is obviously incredibly dangerous and you have to wonder 106 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 5: why this is happening, right, because something is feeding this 107 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 5: information to the AI and that we intend to find 108 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 5: out in discovery. But if you think about like the 109 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 5: long side of this, right, like look ten years down 110 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 5: the line, control of our country is decided by a 111 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 5: very small number of swing seats, and it's very easy 112 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 5: to envision a future where this type of you know, 113 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 5: malicious AI is deployed against every right wing candidate in 114 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 5: those swing seats, and you're able to shift five to 115 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 5: six percent of the vote based on telling wise about 116 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 5: the candidates to voters who reach out saying, hey, tell 117 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 5: me there's a difference between these two candidates. 118 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 6: This is a hugely important story, and I appreciate you 119 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 6: coming on. We're talking to Robbie Starbuck. You just heard 120 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 6: him lay out what happened with Google AI. There's a 121 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 6: lawsuit pending. But if they could do this to you, 122 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 6: and this is where I think this becomes so important 123 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 6: and you just hit on it. 124 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: I mean they could do it to Yes. 125 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 6: Republican Senate candidates, Republican presidential candidates, Republican congressional candidates. But 126 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 6: I think a lot of people out there also know 127 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 6: that arguably at least those guys can punch back. Yeah, 128 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 6: why couldn't they do this to anyone in America where Google? 129 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 6: What happens when your name is googled is probably the 130 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 6: number one most important thing on the Internet. I would 131 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 6: say for most people in most professions. This seems hugely important, 132 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 6: not just for what happened to you, but for the 133 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 6: message that it's sending. It could happen to anyone. What 134 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 6: are you trying to do to remedy. 135 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 5: It, Quay, I was hoping you'd bring that up, because 136 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 5: You're exactly right. The biggest problem is not that even 137 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 5: this is happening to me. Obviously, I'm concerned to damage 138 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 5: my reputation and all those things, but I'm thinking about 139 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 5: my kids, like this can happen to your son, your daughter, 140 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 5: your wife, your husband, and it could eliminate your ability 141 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 5: to get jobs. I mean, I want people to think 142 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 5: about this. How far AI is reaching into our lives. 143 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 5: It's already being used in reputation scoring for insurance, which, 144 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 5: by the way, crazy story. I was actually denied insurance 145 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 5: by I think it was five insurers this last year. 146 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 5: I've never been denied my life. I'm an autopay person, 147 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 5: never been in a car accident, Like, there is no 148 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 5: reason I should be denied for insurance. It took until 149 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 5: the sixth then sure, for us to even get an 150 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,119 Speaker 5: offer from a major insurance company. Every other one said risky, 151 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 5: wouldn't tell us why, and we're going to have to 152 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 5: figure out through discovery if it was because it was 153 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 5: pooling that information from AI. But you can get debanked, 154 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 5: you can, you know, have what a job interviewers often do, 155 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 5: they google the people who are applying for jobs, right, 156 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 5: And so you get googled on Gemini and they tell 157 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 5: this potential job that you're actually excused of some heinous crime, 158 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 5: you know, and this could be as simple as getting 159 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 5: back at you for your politics that Google doesn't share, right. 160 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 5: So it's very easy to see where this can get 161 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 5: very dangerous, very fast. And so I think, you know, 162 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 5: part of the remedy here isn't just making me whole 163 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 5: and fixing the situation. It's fixing the problem for good 164 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 5: and setting a standard and setting precedent that AI cannot 165 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 5: harm humans. That needs to be the first principle of AI, 166 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 5: because if you allow it on this level where it's defamatory, right, 167 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 5: you're baking that in at the root level of a 168 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 5: tree that is either going to bear fruit that helps 169 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 5: humanity grow into abundance or you're going to grow poison fruit, 170 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 5: and it's going to be to the detriment of humanity. 171 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 5: What you bake in that root is very important. So 172 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 5: we're teaching AI now what is going to later be 173 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 5: very important. It's deployment across all platforms and law enforcement, medicine, 174 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 5: everything else. And so that's why I feel like this 175 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 5: is a critically important fight. I'm thinking ten years out, 176 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 5: fifteen years out, how deeply this is going to affect 177 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 5: all of us and our kids. 178 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: What was it like when you were trying to get 179 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: answers in the early stage and then throughout from a 180 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: company like Google that is so vastly powerful, influential, connected 181 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: and resourced. Yet I can only imagine Robbie, like, if 182 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: this happened to me, I wouldn't even know who do 183 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: you call for email? Who can you get to actually 184 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: sit down or speak to you as a human to 185 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: try to address this. Feels like you were probably in 186 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: a very uh Kaska ask like where do I go 187 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: for justice? Situation? 188 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was very confusing, honestly, even with me, where 189 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 5: I'm able to get in front of the media, I'm 190 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 5: able to you know, pay lawyers to be able to 191 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 5: do this stuff. But back then, initially I raised the 192 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 5: red flag about this publicly just adding the and direct 193 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 5: messaging people at Google like hey, can you get this fixed? 194 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 5: And eventually a Google employee reached out to me, and 195 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 5: this lady seemed like she wanted to help. So I 196 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 5: laid out the whole story and send screenshots from the 197 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 5: people who had sent them to me and that we 198 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 5: were able to recreate these. She says, okay, I want 199 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 5: to help, and I checked in over time, and it 200 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 5: was about three months later she lets me know, I'm 201 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 5: so sorry I wasn't able to fix this. And this 202 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 5: is in a lawsuit. We put this like, we put 203 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 5: all the receipts. Okay, she said, I'm so sorry I 204 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 5: wasn't able to help. I am resigned today and she resigned. 205 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 5: And then things got much worse with Gemma and Gemini. 206 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 5: And here's the other thing that's really scary, right, is 207 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 5: that you'd think a company like this could fix all this, right, Well, 208 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 5: it took until last week to finally get them to 209 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 5: fix some of this stuff in the actual app and 210 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 5: the Google dot com website. But here's what's crazy. They're 211 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 5: over one hundred and fifty million wild downloads of Gema. 212 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 5: Gemma is also used by developers beyond just being a 213 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 5: chatbot to help develop apps that power the future, right, 214 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 5: and then Gemini, same thing. Gemini has a bunch of 215 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 5: uncountable digital downloads. We don't even know what that number is. 216 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 5: And many of these they can never be connected to 217 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 5: the Internet, or won't be connected to the Internet, and 218 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 5: cannot be fixed remotely by Google. So these things, which 219 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 5: will be used in many different contexts over god knows 220 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 5: how long, can never be changed. And that's pretty wild, 221 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 5: and I think that's something that also has to change 222 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 5: in this process. 223 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 6: You're in the process of going through discovery and finding 224 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 6: all this stuff out, but you mentioned how do you 225 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 6: even get a person to be able to address We 226 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 6: found out when we sold OutKick to Fox. Fox went 227 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 6: through the deep dive and they said, hey, you're not 228 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 6: indexed on Google. And I knew that was true because 229 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 6: we would break news on OutKick and then we would 230 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 6: never show up at the top of Google search results. 231 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 6: And we had gone through this four or five different 232 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 6: times with them, and they had said, everything's fine. Somebody 233 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 6: had just taken us out of the Google search results. 234 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: Robbie. 235 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 6: That had to be an individual, right, Somebody just decided 236 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,119 Speaker 6: they don't like me. They're one of thousands and thousands, 237 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 6: tens of thousands of Google employees. They hide your site 238 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 6: over in the refuse so that you can't be found. 239 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 6: Do you feel like, and again I know the discovery 240 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 6: is underway, do you feel like ultimately this is malice 241 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 6: driven by an individual or individuals inside of the company 242 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 6: to have set up or and I know I'm asking 243 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 6: you to speculate a little bit, do you think this 244 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 6: is just Ai run a muck and for some reason 245 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 6: you happen to get dragged through the cycle like this. 246 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 5: So there's two different things here. One is, you know, 247 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 5: does it meet the legal standard of malice? No matter what, Absolutely, 248 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 5: it doesn't matter what the intent was. The fact was 249 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 5: they were notified so many times over the course of 250 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 5: two years to fix this, and they didn't fix it. 251 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 5: And they continually repeatedly told the same lies, inventing the 252 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 5: same situations with similar victims and evidence and all these 253 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 5: fake news articles and everything. That's gross negligence that equals malice. 254 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 7: Right. 255 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 5: But then there's my personal view, right, My personal view 256 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 5: is one where I can't I can't get myself to 257 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 5: a place where I think this is just Ai run 258 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 5: a muck. Right, Because Google's response publicly has been to 259 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 5: essentially excuse this as hallucinations, is what they say. Well, 260 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 5: you deep dive into hallucinations, and I've talked to AI experts. 261 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 5: They're typically kind of disjointed and kind of like weird, right, 262 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 5: They're pulling things from different places and kind of mixing 263 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 5: them all together. There's too many similar threads and too 264 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 5: many commonalities in what it continually repeated about me for 265 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 5: it to fit a hallucination pattern, by my estimation from 266 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 5: talking to these experts, and I think lawyers agree with this, 267 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 5: and so when you look at it from that context, 268 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 5: it's very hard for me to get anywhere except for 269 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 5: thinking this was deliberately poisoned. So that's how I view it, right, 270 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 5: is it seems deliberate when you get as detailed as 271 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 5: these things did, and you repeatedly refuse to own up 272 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 5: to the fact that it's a lie. And this is 273 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 5: what's crazy, Like you can literally answer back to the SAI. 274 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 5: And we had people saying things like, hey, these news 275 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 5: stories are totally false, nothing like this ever happened, and 276 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 5: it would double and triple down that it did happen, 277 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 5: and it went so far on one occasion to actually 278 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 5: create a fake article in a real journalist's name when 279 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 5: somebody pressed the AI and saying the link didn't work 280 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 5: to the story it was sending them, So it literally 281 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 5: invented a fake news story. I want people to think 282 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 5: about this. Right, we're at this precipice where we have 283 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 5: all these image generators and voice generators and video generators, 284 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 5: but they're not all quite interconnected to the chatbots as 285 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 5: well as they will be a year or two from now, 286 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 5: maybe even less. Had this continued to happen for another 287 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 5: year or two, it would have literally been inventing fake 288 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 5: videos and audio of me doing these crimes. I want 289 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 5: people to think about that, because if you've seen the 290 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 5: AI outputs that we're seeing in video and audio, there's 291 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 5: currently a top charting music artist, I think it's called 292 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 5: Breaking Russ that is AI right like, and you can't 293 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 5: distinguish it from a human being. It sounds like a 294 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 5: real human musician. That is so incredibly dangerous. And again, 295 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 5: I imagine our sons and our daughters facing accusations with 296 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 5: fake AI videos and audio. Hey, it's very clear when 297 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 5: you think about that that we need guardrails, no. 298 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 6: Doubt, Robbie. This is fantastic. 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Democrats are trying to bring up the 343 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 8: Jeffrey Epstein hoax because they'll do anything to deflect on 344 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 8: how badly they've done on the shutdown. Only a very 345 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 8: bad or stupid Republican would fall into that trap. Will 346 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 8: hit that a bit more and we come back. But 347 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 8: this is exactly what we said, Buck. 348 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: I gotta just say, you don't got a couple of bad, 349 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: stupid Republicans here on this show. That's all I can 350 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 1: tell you. We saw this one a mile away, a 351 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: mile away, very obvious. Oh there's a there's an email 352 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: that we just found that's the really bad one. Please 353 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: please not on our watch. All right, nonsense, They can't 354 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: escape the absolutely ignominious end of this shutdown. 355 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: Very nice word. I do it like that, I rocking roll. 356 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: When a natural disaster or service disruption strikes, do you 357 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: have a backup plan? In terms of communication? Rapid radios 358 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: wants to make sure you do. Their modern day walkie 359 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: talkies deliver peace of mind when it matters most. Last year, 360 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: when Hurricane Hailey knocked out power and phone lines, across 361 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: parts of the Carolinas. Rapid Radios came through. 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He is a senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation. 379 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: He's a former senior Administration official and national security under 380 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: the Bush administration, and as I said before, he's a 381 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: fluent Mandarin speaker, and I saw him in action in Taiwan. 382 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: It was very impressive. Steven. 383 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: I know you're still recovering from some crazy jetlag. Thanks 384 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: for making the time for us. 385 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 7: Well, Bucket's wonderful to join, and thanks very much for 386 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 7: the kind intro. 387 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: Please give us a census to you just went. I 388 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: mean it was quite a world tour. You were traveling 389 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: with the press pool of the Secretary of War. Now 390 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: I have to keep reminding myself Secretary of War Hegseth. 391 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: But President Trump was over there in Asia. 392 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 2: Where did you go? What were the meetings, what were. 393 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: The big policy takeaways and your most important observations? 394 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 7: Well, thank you, buck There's a few things that really 395 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 7: stand out. I mean, really the first thing was we 396 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 7: did go to Japan Malaysia for the Southeast Asia Osion, 397 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 7: the Defense ministerial meetings that allowed for bilateral meetings with 398 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 7: the nine countries of Ozion but also with India, Australia, Japan, 399 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 7: and Korea there and then we went up from Malaysia 400 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 7: through Vietnam to Korea and then from Korea all the 401 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 7: way home. I'll just remind the audience this is on 402 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 7: the Doomsday plane from which nuclear retaliation can be called 403 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 7: after the apocalypse begins. Kind of a fun ride. But 404 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 7: that plane, I think is older than the Secretary, and 405 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 7: I pray that the Secretary gets new planes soon. Just 406 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 7: as an aside, But that fourteen hour flight home to 407 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 7: Andrews is quite an adventure, going through the aerial refueling, 408 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 7: some cool helicopter rides. Very fun stuff in some sense, 409 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 7: but serious policy. I think the first number one it 410 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 7: put the lie to the notion that somehow the Trump 411 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 7: administration is isolationists. This is opposite of isolationism. The President 412 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 7: had a very widespread tour through the Indo Pacific region, 413 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 7: major meetings and decisions made in that region. The first 414 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 7: stop with Secretary of Hegseth was Japan. The new Prime 415 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 7: Minister there is a gang Busters iron Lady of East 416 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 7: Asia loves America, loves Japan, is good for the Alliance. 417 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 7: She paid deep respect for our troops. The President the 418 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 7: Prime Minister were there, Secretary of Hegseth were there. I 419 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 7: think the troops loved that. I thought it was a 420 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 7: really wonderful message to the Alliance. So first, the Trump 421 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 7: administration is engaging the world. It's just engaging differently and 422 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 7: the establishment doesn't know what to do about that, but 423 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 7: it's not isolationism, and alliances are largely happy and improving. 424 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 7: A lot of the defense spending increases are happening. They 425 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 7: need to move further faster, but it's directionally correct, and 426 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 7: I think that was attested to when the Defense minister 427 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 7: from the Philippines just spoke so positively and effusively about 428 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 7: America's engagement with them as they're challenged by the communist Chinese. 429 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 7: And just the final point Buck, I'd say, just watching 430 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 7: Secretary of Pete Hexsas in action. You and I have 431 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 7: known him from our younger days and commentary. It was 432 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 7: great to see him in action in this regard. I mean, 433 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 7: he spoke clearly, decisively and without wavering about the China 434 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 7: challenge to the United States but also the region. And 435 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 7: he did it with the Chinese in the room, and 436 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 7: the message was the same, whether it's public private, no 437 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 7: matter who was there. And I just thought that kind 438 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 7: of consistency, clarity, conviction to purpose. It was good to 439 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 7: see and I would expect no less out of Pete. 440 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 6: Steve Buck just came back from Taiwan. He's talked a 441 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 6: lot about it. If you were telling. 442 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: Steve was my shirpa in Taiwan, so he was there 443 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: every step of the way. He was translating in the meetings. 444 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 6: If you were telling us out there, Hey, this is 445 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 6: what I would be concerned about, this is what you 446 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 6: should be concerned about. I'm presuming Taiwan and what happens 447 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 6: with China would probably be number. 448 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 2: One on your list. Is that true? 449 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 6: And how much higher is that on your list of 450 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 6: concern than other things? How should we calibrate concerns in 451 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 6: Trump two point zero in that respect? 452 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 7: Oh, Clay, I think there's a couple of things first, 453 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 7: and Buck has had to listen to me say this 454 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 7: over and over. But basically, what happens in Taiwan is 455 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 7: not a Taiwan only situation. Japan has a fundamental national 456 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 7: interest in the status quo being maintained, and that Taiwan 457 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 7: continued to be a free in democratic territory, and that 458 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 7: China is not able to dominate those air and sea 459 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 7: lanes around it through which fifty percent of the world's 460 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 7: container traffic go. So if you imagine an economy that 461 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 7: is rocked by fifty percent of those containers carrying all 462 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 7: your cheap goods to your doorstep by way of Amazon 463 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 7: or elsewhere going could put for a time. Then this matters, 464 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 7: and it matters for more than just the transactional notion 465 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 7: of are we buying things? But Taiwan's also part of 466 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 7: the value chain. They have major companies that are helping 467 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 7: us have a shot at winning the ai race and 468 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 7: finding ways to adapt their military capabilities. They also buy 469 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 7: assistance from US, not ask for assistance to be given 470 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 7: to them from US, and so in many ways there 471 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 7: are a value add But the most important thing is 472 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 7: to understand that it's that first island chain that goes 473 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 7: from Japan through Taiwan, through the Philippines down into Southeast 474 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 7: Asia that have common cause. And if they're all doing 475 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 7: more to protect themselves, they're all buying more from America 476 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 7: to defend themselves, and we're keeping our partnerships vital within 477 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 7: economically and otherwise. That's a pretty profound deterrent and it 478 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 7: makes the chances of war go way down. 479 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: Stephen Yates with us now a senior fellow at the 480 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation, and and just got back from travel with 481 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: the Secretary of War all over Asia and on the 482 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: China front. Steven there was actually a pretty big announcement today. 483 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: This came from FBI Director Cash Patel speaking about China 484 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: and their role in the fentanyl crisis. Let's play this 485 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: clip and then Steve and I wanted to have you 486 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: react to it. Play the audio. 487 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 9: While we the interagency, the Department of Justice have been 488 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 9: fighting hard to seize and stop drug traffickers, we must 489 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 9: attack fentanyl precursors, the ingredients necessary to make this lethal drug. 490 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 9: That was the sole purpose of my trip to China 491 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 9: to eliminate these precursors and if successful, we would suffocate 492 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 9: the drug trafficking organiation's ability to manufacture fentanyl in places 493 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 9: like Mexico. This was the first time an FBI director 494 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 9: has been to China in over a decade and received 495 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 9: the audience with his counterpart to address this matter directly, 496 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 9: and again, thanks to President Trump's directing gaves with President 497 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 9: she the government of China committed fully to my engagement 498 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 9: there on the ground in Beijing at a level never 499 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 9: seen before. While at Ministry of Public Security headquarters, I 500 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 9: met with my counterpart at MPs where that Chinese government 501 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 9: agreed on a plan to stop fentanyl precursors. What does 502 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 9: that mean, the People's Republic of China has fully designated 503 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 9: and listed all thirteen precursors utilized to make fentanyl effective immediately, Essentially, 504 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 9: President Trump has shut off the pipeline that creates fentanyl 505 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 9: that kills tens of thousands of Americans. 506 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: Steven wanted you to react to this big news today 507 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: from the White House from the FBI Director. 508 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 7: Well, first and foremost, I just I am very very 509 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 7: grateful for President Trump and the team making this a 510 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 7: very real priority. As you know, Bach, my daughter was 511 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 7: killed by fentinel poisoning two years ago, and so I'm 512 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 7: not unbiased in trying to assess who's to blame and 513 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 7: what needs to be done about this, and so I 514 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 7: think what Cash is saying is incredibly important. I would 515 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 7: also just add that this is ten years too late 516 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 7: by China. I have no forgiveness for that regime in 517 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 7: the slow and methodical murder of hundreds of thousands of Americans, 518 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 7: and I don't think we should have to negotiate people 519 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 7: to stop murdering our eighteen to thirty five year old 520 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 7: demographic in America. That said, we live in a world 521 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 7: of bad people, and the President and his team are 522 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 7: serious about trying to enforce this. I would like to 523 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 7: see them go further and designate these illicit precursors as 524 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 7: a weapon of mass destruction. So, just like the cartels 525 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 7: are terrorist organizations, if you engage in this business, you're 526 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 7: at war, and I would be happy to see you 527 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 7: get lit up the way those boats have been get 528 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 7: lit up with the Caribbean. 529 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 6: Last question for you, and we appreciate that you sharing 530 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 6: that story about your daughter, and I know there's many 531 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 6: people out there that have had similar experiences because unfortunately, 532 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 6: we've been losing one hundred thousand people a year to 533 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 6: fentanyl poisoning. What do you think President Trump would do 534 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 6: if China invaded Taiwan and how would you assess the 535 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 6: probability or likelihood of something like that happening in the 536 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 6: next three years of his term in office. 537 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 7: Well, I certainly hope that President Trump sees it as 538 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 7: a potential catastrophic development, not because of just the well 539 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 7: being of the people of Taiwan, but it would lead 540 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 7: to such a severe market reaction that it would be 541 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 7: cataclysmic for our own gross domestic product for a sustained 542 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 7: period of time. It would call into question alliances if 543 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 7: we didn't rally to find a way to push back 544 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 7: against this kind of encroachment, and it would be crippling 545 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 7: in this race for AI and other things that are 546 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 7: unfortunately a very very important part of our future economic 547 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 7: and social way of life. So I hope that he's 548 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 7: improving to Terrence. I think that's what but Secretary of 549 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 7: Hegseth was all about. I think the reform of the 550 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 7: manufacturing supply chain and making sure that those are safe 551 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 7: and clean supply chains are necessary down payment on getting 552 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 7: that right. Having new allies or new leaders among our 553 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 7: allies that are serious about it, like in Japan, all 554 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 7: of this is to the good. So I'm hoping that directionally, 555 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 7: we've got the right team and we're starting to do 556 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 7: the right policies. And if there's rationality less engaging, they 557 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 7: would say, you know what, this would be a bad 558 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 7: data test. 559 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: Uncle Sam Steven Yates of the Heritage Foundation, Steven, we'll 560 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: have you back again soon. 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There, we started to talk about H one 602 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 6: B one at the top of this hour. Robbie Starbuck 603 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 6: was a little bit delayed, and so we didn't know 604 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 6: if he was going to be there. 605 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: Can I can I jump in Clay. I'm sorry, I 606 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: know I want to talk. That's actually important. You want 607 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: to talk about this talkback though, because we're not gonna 608 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: remember this one tomorrow. 609 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: Can we just hit this one real quick? It's a 610 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: short one. Can we hit this one? 611 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,719 Speaker 1: Because the H one B discussion should be longer than 612 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes. 613 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 6: To do it tomorrow. That's what I was gonna say. 614 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 6: We're going to dive into it in earnest. If you 615 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 6: want to hear our takes on it, there you go. 616 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: It's very important because I really want to hear Darryl's 617 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: take on why you don't carry cash? 618 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 2: Play ll. 619 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 11: I think this whole conversation about Clay not carrying cash 620 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 11: is his justification for not paying his sports bets to 621 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 11: Sean Hannity. 622 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: Clay, you own Hannity money. I've lost money. 623 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 6: I've lost every bet to Hannity, and he's been talking 624 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 6: about it lately. And I saw him in person on 625 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 6: Thursday and I was just like, man, I didn't get 626 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 6: a chance. I haven't been to the at them, so, uh, 627 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 6: you know Shawt left left your wallet in your other 628 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 6: suit jacket? Is that where we are played? I had 629 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 6: the tous on I had the tucks on at the 630 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 6: Patriot Awards. I'm not usually having the wallet in the 631 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 6: tux pants. Uh, and so it's just tough timing for me. 632 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 6: And uh yeah, that is uh, that is very very funny. 633 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 6: A lot of great reactions, by the way, pouring in 634 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 6: uh on many different topics out there, including all of 635 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 6: you people who love change, pocket change, all of you 636 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 6: men out there with ten pounds of pocket change in 637 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 6: one of your pockets, pulling down your pants. That's why 638 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 6: you have to wear a belt buckle, because the change 639 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 6: is just overloading your uh your pants otherwise dragging you down. 640 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 2: And uh, let's. 641 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 6: See, I want to catch up with all of these, 642 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 6: uh you know, I will say I was reading an 643 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 6: article the original silver buck in the in the coins 644 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 6: I believe stop around nineteen sixty, and so an average 645 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 6: quarter and half dollar I think is now worth if 646 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 6: it's pre nineteen sixty because we've seen precious metals prices 647 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 6: go up to such an extent. I think if you 648 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 6: find a half dollar or a quarter that is full silver, 649 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 6: they're now actually worth over three dollars each. And I 650 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 6: don't want you to look to me to be your 651 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 6: precious metals expert, so you can do your own research. 652 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 6: But they stopped making one hundred percent silver coins. I 653 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 6: believe it was sometime around nineteen sixty and if you 654 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 6: find them from before, they're actually worth way more than 655 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 6: the face value of the coin. To try to win 656 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 6: back coin officionados out there. Well, you know, in ancient 657 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 6: Rome they did this. They had initially in their coinage. 658 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 6: Early Roman coins had silver. They were silver, they were 659 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 6: made of silver, and almost entirely, and then over time 660 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 6: they started the debasement of their own coinage by putting 661 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 6: less and less silver in the coins. Didn't that also 662 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 6: contribute to insane rates of lead poisoning the way that 663 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 6: they made the coins back in the day. I think 664 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 6: I'm correct about that in terms of the impact of coinage. 665 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 6: But yes, that is typically what happens is you're debasing 666 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 6: on a face value level the substance under which your 667 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 6: currency is based. Michigan tim He says he's got a 668 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 6: coin operated laundromat. Imagine the amount of coins he's collecting 669 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 6: on a daily basis. 670 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,479 Speaker 2: Gigi, I own a coin operated launder maat. I sure 671 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 2: hope they don't get rid of quarters. 672 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 6: Well, look, they're not going to get rid of them. 673 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 6: The question is, and this topic came up because they 674 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 6: are finishing the production of pennies, so pennies will continue 675 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 6: to circulate. There just won't be new ones coming into 676 00:35:53,800 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 6: the overall coin release. And the reality is most people 677 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 6: are still going to keep losing pennies in their couch 678 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 6: cushions and eventually they will all vanish. 679 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 2: But that's where they will be. When we come back. 680 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 6: Tomorrow, we'll talk h one B one buck, have that 681 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 6: real discussion. We didn't talk about this the fifty year mortgage. 682 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 6: Maybe we're gonna have a discussion about affordability of homes 683 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 6: because I think a lot of people out there, young 684 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 6: people thinking about how do you buy that first home? 685 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 6: I think that's intriguing as well. 686 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: Also, does the app open Table spy on your behavior 687 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to I really want to have this 688 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: discussion because I have a I'm gonna tell you this 689 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: right now, everybody, so team hold me to this. 690 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 2: We got to discuss this tomorrow. 691 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: I think I have a scorching hot take on whether 692 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: Open table should be able to judge you as the 693 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: user