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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's Movie Podcast. I

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Speaker 1: am your host Movie Mike. Awesome interview coming up with

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Speaker 1: Robert Schwartzman. He has a new documentary about the band

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Speaker 1: The Zombies. We're gonna talk Princess Diaries. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: Morning Movie crew. And now let's talk movies from the

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Speaker 1: Nashville Podcast Network And this is movie Mike's Movie podcast.

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Speaker 1: Boat to get into my interview with Robert Schwartzman. He

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Speaker 1: is the director of Hung Up on a Dream, the

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Speaker 1: Zombies documentary, which is in theaters now. You can get

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Speaker 1: tickets and find a link in the episode notes of

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Speaker 1: this podcast. Even if you're unfamiliar with the band, you

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Speaker 1: will know two of their bits. Biggest song's Time of

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Speaker 1: the Season and She's not there. It's a story of

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Speaker 1: how they blew up, how they were the first band

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Speaker 1: touring and a lot of missteps in the sixties, they

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Speaker 1: of Fame back in twenty eighteen. Robert Schwartzman grew up

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Speaker 1: in the movie industry. His uncle is Francis Ford Coppola,

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Speaker 1: but Robert's brother is Jason Sportsman. So along line of

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Speaker 1: famous people in Hollywood. So he's a musician in the

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Speaker 1: and the Princess Diaries, where he started alongside and Hathaway.

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Speaker 1: Excited to get into this interview. Let's talk to Robert Schwartzman.

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated with this documentary, also fascinating with the parallels

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Speaker 1: of the zombies in your career. Talking about music for

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Speaker 1: Talking about being able not to write things any other way.

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Speaker 1: So I have two final questions for you, which another

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Speaker 2: We've got a lot of things we've got to figure

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Speaker 2: Like that's why we created it. We distribute really cool

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Speaker 2: The more places we can get, the more outlets we

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Speaker 3: Naturally, the movie rad we've released every year, the.

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Speaker 1: The exilience will last much longer than the shrimp.

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Speaker 1: All about it. Supporting independent film, supporting every film. Well, Robert,

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Speaker 1: this has been great to get to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: I hope everybody goes to watch this movie. Skip skip

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Speaker 1: the shrimp and go pay tickets paid for a ticket

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Speaker 1: to watch the movie.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you're right.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's get out there and support and be a

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Speaker 2: part of the experience. Let's be engaged, let's support films

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Speaker 2: and support music.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's part of it.

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Speaker 2: Like it's it's we do our part as an audience

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Speaker 2: to show that we're grateful for the creations of people

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Speaker 2: that are out there.

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Speaker 3: And if we just sign.

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Speaker 2: Up for a service and just expect everything for free,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't quite always pencil out for the people making

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Speaker 2: the stuff in the first place.

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Speaker 3: So we all can do we all are like we

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Speaker 3: get it. People get it.

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Speaker 2: Like if it's like nine bucks a month or five

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Speaker 2: bucks a month or unlimited whatever you can watch, I mean,

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Speaker 2: how does it really ultimately going to work out?

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Speaker 3: Right? So clearly when you rent a movie for six.

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Speaker 2: Ninety nine or seven nine nine, or you buy a

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Speaker 2: T shirt to show you see a band play, or

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Speaker 2: you buy a movie ticket, clearly that's more meaningful than

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Speaker 2: just being sort of like a data point for a

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Speaker 2: subscription company, which are great. Thank you for being out

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Speaker 2: there all these companies, because you're helping keep the lights

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Speaker 2: on in some ways. But let's not lose sight of

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Speaker 2: the experience of making a film. I mean, when you

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Speaker 2: mix in color grate a movie or doing it in

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Speaker 2: a theater, it's so surprise. I'm not doing it for

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Speaker 2: my iPhone or my TV. I'm doing it for a theater.

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Speaker 2: So we're making these films for the theaters for a reason.

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Speaker 2: We should be watching them in that environment, because that's

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Speaker 2: how they are intended to be viewed, and then downstream

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Speaker 2: watch them on your TV watch. But I don't that

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Speaker 2: part doesn't matter. But if you have a short window

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Speaker 2: to see it in a theater, it's a great experience.

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Speaker 2: So hung Up on a Dream the Zombies movie opens

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Speaker 2: up in theaters, so I hope.

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Speaker 3: You see it.

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Speaker 2: If you go to hung Up Dot Official dot film,

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Speaker 2: you could see all the theaters the movie is going

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Speaker 2: to plan.

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Speaker 3: That's hung Up Dot Official dot film, and you could

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Speaker 3: see all the theaters are in.

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Speaker 1: I'll also put it in the episode notes of this podcast.

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Speaker 1: And I think you've also convinced everybody listening right now

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Speaker 1: to buy not one, but two tickets. I love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely bring a friend, spread the love. The zombies

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Speaker 2: are the best.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: I hope people really fall in love with their music

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Speaker 2: all over again.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Robert, Thank you guys.

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Speaker 3: Take care.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it now. A spoiler free movie review

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Speaker 1: of Thunderbolts aka The New Avengers. That is why I

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Speaker 1: waited to do this review, because I knew it was coming.

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Speaker 1: I knew when I saw that Asteray next to Thunderbolts

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Speaker 1: at that Aime was going to change. Knowing about the

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Speaker 1: comics where Marvel is going, I knew that eventually they

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Speaker 1: were going to rebuild the Avengers. I didn't think it

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Speaker 1: was gonna be the Young Avengers. So I saw this coming,

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Speaker 1: went to see with Kelsey's family. Nobody there new, but

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Speaker 1: after opening weekend Monday morning, Marvel starts rolling out on

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Speaker 1: the socials. Sebastian Stan goes out onto the streets, changing

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Speaker 1: the posters, and that is how quickly they spoiled their

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Speaker 1: own movie. I have a theory now. I think Marvel

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Speaker 1: is trying to capitalize on those opening weekend ticket sales

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Speaker 1: and make their movies an event again, so much so

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Speaker 1: that if you don't go watch their movies now on

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Speaker 1: opening weekend, you're gonna have it spoiled. And them doing

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Speaker 1: that so fast, I think they're saying, hey, we used

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Speaker 1: to give you a week two weeks before they would

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Speaker 1: turn off comments. Now when you have all the actors

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Speaker 1: posting about it on the official accounts, they changed it,

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Speaker 1: and that was a turning point in the movie. But

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Speaker 1: now everybody knows, so I think what they're trying to

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Speaker 1: say by doing that is, hey, you have to go

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Speaker 1: see this opening weekend if you don't want it spoiled.

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Speaker 1: That contributes to their opening weekend numbers. They get a

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Speaker 1: big pop. It starts to become like a sporting event,

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Speaker 1: and I love it. I'm out here for it. And

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Speaker 1: the reason I even do this podcast now is because

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Speaker 1: how much I love superhero movies. How invested I am

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Speaker 1: in the MCU. Even when everybody was jumping ships saying

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Speaker 1: the MCU is dead it was over after endgame, I

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Speaker 1: stuck around. Has it all been great?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: I think for the majority, the movies have still been good.

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Speaker 1: TV shows are a different thing, but I try not

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Speaker 1: to focus on too much of that. But I think

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Speaker 1: that is what they are trying to say now that

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Speaker 1: Phase five is completely closed out. But I think that's

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Speaker 1: why they did that, and that's why I waited to

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Speaker 1: do this, because I feel like I could have expressed

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Speaker 1: all my things without them putting that out there, although

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Speaker 1: I'm still surprised they did. But I also think that

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Speaker 1: by doing that, they create more of a conversation, because

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Speaker 1: I think the whole thing going into Thunderbolts is nobody

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Speaker 1: really knew these characters. People were kind of confused by it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's just another Marvel movie. But now by calling it

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Speaker 1: the new Avengers, people know what the Avengers are. They

545
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Speaker 1: love the Avengers. It's gonna peak more people's curiosity and

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Speaker 1: want to go see the movie, especially with it getting

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Speaker 1: great reviews and me going into Thunderbolts, I thought it

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Speaker 1: was gonna be average. I didn't really love the trailers

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Speaker 1: leading into it. I love Florence Pugh, her character was

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Speaker 1: I just think overall the black widow storyline hasn't been

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Speaker 1: my favorite in the EMCU, but up until this point,

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Speaker 1: we haven't had that well rounded of a black widow.

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Speaker 1: So I think going into the thirty sixth movie in

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Speaker 1: the MCU, there is that fatigue for the general audience.

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Speaker 1: I don't really think I had fatigue. I would take

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Speaker 1: a new Marvel movie every single week if you could

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Speaker 1: give it to me. But what Thunderbolts did essentially was

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Speaker 1: recreating what the Avengers did back in twenty twelve. You

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Speaker 1: take your B team and you build your new franchise,

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Speaker 1: and I think that is what sometimes people forget when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the mcu is. Back in the nineties

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Speaker 1: and early two thousands, Marvel was selling off all their characters.

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Speaker 1: They were almost bankrupt, And the reason the mcu is

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Speaker 1: successful is because they didn't have their big characters. So

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Speaker 1: Iron Man, Captain America were not their top selling comic

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Speaker 1: book characters. It was the ones they sold off. It

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Speaker 1: was X Men, Spider Man, Fantastic Four. So they built

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Speaker 1: the Avengers with characters people really didn't know, and did

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Speaker 1: such a good job at it that now those are

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Speaker 1: the household names. But now they're back doing it again

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Speaker 1: with Thunderbolts. But what the Thunderbolts are is a group

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Speaker 1: of heroes. They've been hired by Julia Luis Dreyvis's character,

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Speaker 1: who sends them on covert missions doing a lot of

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Speaker 1: shady things for her, killing people, blowing things up, all

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Speaker 1: under the radar. All of them have done bad things

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Speaker 1: in the past, and for the most part, you won't

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Speaker 1: recognize many of them except Sebastian stan who has been

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Speaker 1: in the Avengers movies, who has been in the Captain

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Speaker 1: America movies playing Bucky Barnes. You have Florence Pugh, we

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Speaker 1: first saw her in Black Widow as Scarlett Johanson aka

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Speaker 1: Black Widow's sister. We have Wyatt Russell who plays John Walker,

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Speaker 1: who debuted in the Captain America Disney plush show. We

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Speaker 1: have Ghost who first appeared in the second ant Man movie,

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Speaker 1: ant Man in the Wasp, a couple of characters from

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Speaker 1: the Black Widow movie, task Master, and also David Harber's

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Speaker 1: character of the Red Guardian. New character introduced is played

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Speaker 1: by Lewis Pulman, who plays a guy named Bob who

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Speaker 1: I feel is the new breakout star in this movie,

589
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Speaker 1: and he also happens to be Bill Pulman's son. So

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Speaker 1: they all get sent on a mission. She's trying to

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Speaker 1: cover tracks. She's about to go to prison if they

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Speaker 1: start finding all this evidence and all of the thunderbolts

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Speaker 1: are loose ends. So she sends them all to this

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Speaker 1: very remote location in this vault where she's keeping all

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Speaker 1: of her paraphernalia and all the things that could incriminate her,

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Speaker 1: and they are the human things that really could incriminate her,

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Speaker 1: and she gives them the task of killing another person

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Speaker 1: in the group. So one person arrives, then the next

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Speaker 1: person arrives to kill them, then another person arrives to

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Speaker 1: kill them, and pretty much they're just realizing that, oh,

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Speaker 1: we were all sent here to kill each other. We

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Speaker 1: got to go back and fight against Julie l' redreyfis

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Speaker 1: because she's evil. So then it all backfires on her

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Speaker 1: because now she sent this group of mercenaries to go

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Speaker 1: kill each other, and now they're all coming for her.

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Speaker 1: My favorite thing about Thunderbolts is we are back to

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Speaker 1: having great action. My biggest problem with the last MCU movie,

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Speaker 1: Captain America Brave New World is the action felt so stale,

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Speaker 1: because when you remember back to those Captain America movies

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Speaker 1: and what made those great. They had great choreography, they

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Speaker 1: had great pacing, the fights actually meant something, and in

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Speaker 1: Brave New World it was just kind of filler. Not

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Speaker 1: the case with Thunderbolts, which brings back that energy of oh,

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Speaker 1: there are some fights going down where there's actually something

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Speaker 1: on the line. They're choreographed well, they use their powers well,

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Speaker 1: and it just doesn't feel like, oh, we're just gonna

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Speaker 1: throw this fight scene in here to fill time. Each

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Speaker 1: one is actually important, and I think all the characters

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Speaker 1: in the Thunderbolts all have unique abilities that distinguish themselves

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Speaker 1: from one another, which is important when you're trying to

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Speaker 1: build a new team. You have to have clear roles,

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Speaker 1: you have to have clear ways that people fight, and

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Speaker 1: things that make each of these characters unique to really

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Speaker 1: make them stand out. And I think the action was

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Speaker 1: overall top tier in this movie and really sucked me in.

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Speaker 1: Within the first hour, I was fully invested, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of times when I go watch a movie, especially

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Speaker 1: a Marvel movie, I'm really dialed in. I'm thinking of

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Speaker 1: it analytically, I'm thinking of it in regards to how

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this podcast. For the first hour of

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Speaker 1: The Thunderbolts, I didn't think that way at all. It

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00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: just flew by because I was so engaged and interested

633
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Speaker 1: in this story, which I wouldn't say reinvented the MCU formula,

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Speaker 1: but it definitely gave me something to root for. Again.

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Speaker 1: It also didn't lean too much into the comedy, which

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Speaker 1: sometimes the MCU gets a little bit cornball with the

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Speaker 1: superhero humor. There are some moments of that. I think

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Speaker 1: David Harber is probably the biggest piece of comic relief,

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Speaker 1: But aside from that, the movie didn't take itself too seriously,

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Speaker 1: but it took itself seriously enough to create a tone

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Speaker 1: of this doesn't feel like your typical Marvel movie, which

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Speaker 1: I think for some of the films they started playing

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Speaker 1: to a younger audience, dumbing it down just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But I think the best MCU movies are ones that

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Speaker 1: they can say, Okay, we're gonna make a movie that

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Speaker 1: doesn't talk down to maybe the kids. We are trying

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Speaker 1: to inspire, trying to build a new new fan base

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Speaker 1: in new MCU fans, because you already have the older

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Speaker 1: people like me in their thirties who are heavily invested

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Speaker 1: and are probably gonna be so critical of an MCU

651
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Speaker 1: movie at this point, but they're still gonna go watch it,

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Speaker 1: they're still gonna talk about it. You're still gonna get

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Speaker 1: their money. But in order to keep a franchise like

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Speaker 1: this alive, you got to put new blood into the

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Speaker 1: fan base. And how do you do that. You give

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Speaker 1: them something that doesn't talk down to them, same way

657
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: you did back in twenty twelve with The Avengers. This

658
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: is what it is. Some of it's gonna be a

659
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: little bit more gritty, even with the language. They're more

660
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: generous with their S bombs and their I don't think

661
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: there was an F bomb in this that I remember,

662
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: but they are just talking more like these characters would

663
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: in real life and not really cleaning it up for

664
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: the sake of thinking you're gonna alienate the young fans,

665
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: because at this point, what's a car squord? And when

666
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: it comes down to it, we just got back to

667
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: great storytelling and also having a lead that can carry

668
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: a movie. Florence Pew is that, and I think that

669
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: is why some of the other Marvel movies have struggled

670
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: a little bit, is because we're focused a little bit

671
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: too much on the characters as far as how they

672
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: play you into the entire story and thinking, Okay, it

673
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: makes sense for this character to carry on this line

674
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: of the story. But when you think about it as

675
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: a movie, you also have to pick somebody who is

676
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna get the butts in the seats and going to

677
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: be able to handle it. And Florence Pew, with that

678
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: she is in phase five, is probably overall the best

679
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: actor who could do a role tomorrow and get an

680
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: Oscar nomination, but also come to the MCU and really

681
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: bring another tier of acting here and there were so

682
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: many parallels between this movie and Avengers One. There's even

683
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: one scene where they're all fighting and it very much

684
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: mirrored Avengers One. Whenever you have them fighting in New York,

685
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: it has that revolving camera swoop around them when they're

686
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: all back to back forming the circle. We had that

687
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: again here in The Thunderbolts. I don't know, and I

688
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't really compare Florence Pewed to a Robert Downey junior,

689
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: with her being pretty much the leader of this group.

690
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are comparing her performance

691
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: as the New Black Widow to Scarlett Johansson's, which I

692
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: think is kind of unfair because unfortunately, Scarlett Johansson got

693
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: her movie too late, and when they introduced her character,

694
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: she was very one dimensional. In the Iron Man movies,

695
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: when she was introduced, it was essentially, oh, here's this

696
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: sexy character. Oh she can fight, oh wow, And you

697
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: kind of learn about her past all through these little

698
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: details that leak out about her having blood in her

699
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: hands and all the awful things that she's done. You

700
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: get to know a little bit more about her. They

701
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: try to humanize her a little bit. In Age of

702
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: Old Tron with a relationship with Bruce Banner that never

703
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: really banned out. That whole thing is kind of interesting,

704
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: kind of one of the weirdest plots in the MCU,

705
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: but we never really got her story until it was

706
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: too late in Black Widow, and really that was more

707
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: her setting up Florence Pew to have the career she

708
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: is having now. In the MCU, I really think they're

709
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: trying to recapture that energy of the early twenty tens

710
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: even now with the directors, they're picking, focusing people who

711
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: maybe it's their first or second feature film. Jake Schreier,

712
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: I think did an amazing job with this, but this

713
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: is his biggest credit to date. And I think Marvel

714
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: always bringing in those two are a little bit unproven,

715
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: but knowing they can give them these parameters, which is

716
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: probably hard as a director in the MCU because you

717
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: want to put your spin on it, you want to

718
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: put your trademarks and creativity into an MCU film, but

719
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: there are guidelines. It is much like if you work

720
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: in animation, you can't go too far off of the

721
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: character model because all the scenes have to look the same.

722
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: You can't draw Homer Simpson differently because you want to

723
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: add you your own unique artistic abilities to it, because

724
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: Homer Simpson has to look the same in every single episode,

725
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: season to season. That is exactly how it is directing

726
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: movies in the MCU, where you can put things in

727
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: that make it your film, but it also has to

728
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: line up with the structure and flow and look of

729
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: what is coming after it. But I think Jake did

730
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: a fantastic job with Thunderbolts and really gave us something

731
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: to root for. And the moment this movie had that

732
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: I've been looking for for a very long time in

733
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: all the MCU movies is that moment of triumph to

734
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: have a villain that is beating down your characters to

735
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: the point of you saying, I don't know if they're

736
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: gonna make it through this. I won't say what happens

737
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: to these characters, but it has that oh yeah, that

738
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: satisfaction factor of these characters actually go through something. They

739
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: have struggles, they have things that look like they're not

740
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: going to pan out for them, and you have to

741
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: watch the entire movie to really find out how it's

742
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: gonna end. You're not predicting it by act one, and

743
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: that is really inspiring to me at this point in

744
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: the MCU. For the Thunderbolts, I give it four point

745
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: five out of five boxes of whedies. But we're not

746
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: going away just yet. Thunderbolts wraps up phase five of

747
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 1: the MCU, So let's rank all six movies. At number six,

748
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,959
Speaker 1: I have the Marvels, which I gave a two point

749
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: five out of five, and I think that is generous.

750
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: The Marvels had great characters. I love Captain Marvel. I

751
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: don't love the story anything with the scrolls, anything that

752
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: has anything to remind me of Secret Invasion. Just take

753
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: it away. It's like if you burned a pizza in

754
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: the oven. You're like, I can salvage this thing. I

755
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: can eat around it, I can pick out the parts

756
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: that aren't that burnt. You're not saving that thing that

757
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: is a burnt pizza. Don't take any piece from that

758
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: and try to build out some new creation. That is

759
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: what I felt what they did with the Marvels. I

760
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: have that one bottom of the barrel at number six.

761
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: I won't even rewatch that one. At number five, I

762
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: have Captain America Brave New World. I do not like

763
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: the direction that they are going in with Sam Wilson.

764
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: He just doesn't feel like a hero to me. He's

765
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: still over here, like, oh, he'll never be Steve Rogers.

766
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm not Captain of America, dude. Just do you You've

767
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: already been battling this since the TV show on Disney Plus.

768
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: Just be you in that final fight scene with Red

769
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: Hulk is probably one of the worst final boss fights

770
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: in a third act in the MCU. That was pretty bad.

771
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: I gave it a three out of five. At number four,

772
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: ant Man in the Wasp Quantum Mania, which I gave

773
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: a three point five out of five. I don't think

774
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: this movie and the entire ant Man series deserves all

775
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: of the hate that it gets. My biggest problem with

776
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: Quantum Mania is now that it feels like it's going nowhere,

777
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: with the whole Kang storyline being scrapped. Everything that movie

778
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: set up, Although I do feel like the entire third

779
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: act and final battle in that movie was kind of

780
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: a slap in the face to Kang to begin with,

781
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: so in one sense, I am kind of happy that

782
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: they're not carrying on with that, because if what happened

783
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: to him in Quantumnia was a sign of things to come,

784
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he was ever going to be that

785
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: Thanos level threat that we're looking for now. So Quantum

786
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: Mania is at number four. At number three, Dead Poll

787
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: and Wolverine, which I gave a four point five out

788
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: of five. This movie was a lot of fun, maybe

789
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: a little bit two fun at times, because I don't

790
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: know how much rewatchability is gonna come from dead pulling

791
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: Wolverine now that you know all the gags, now that

792
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: you know all the cameos. That was a big part

793
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: of the excitement leading into this movie. So maybe that

794
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: is a little bit burned at this point, but it

795
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: was a big moment for the MCU. We got Channing

796
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: Tatum back as Cyclops, hopefully not the last we see

797
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: of him, and overall really brought that Okay, MCU is

798
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: not dead energy back in twenty twenty four. And even

799
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: though right now I'm kind of cashed out on Ryan Reynolds,

800
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: I would still take another dead Pulling Wolverine at number two.

801
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: That's where I'm putting thunderbolts. We're rebuilding the team, rebuilding

802
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: the MCU. Great action, great acting, great directing. Just a

803
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: really solid and fun movie that's inspiring. But at number one,

804
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: I have Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three, which I

805
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: gave a rare five out of five back in twenty

806
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: twenty three. This movie almost doesn't even fit into the MCU.

807
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: Guardians one through three is not only one of the

808
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: best trilogies in the MCU, it is one of the

809
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: best trilogies in all of film. What James Gunn did

810
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: with the evolution of all these characters from one to

811
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: three was so inspiring. I have never thought in my

812
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: life that I would cry over a raccoon, but I

813
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: shed tears during Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three. It

814
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: was so heart wrenching and powerful and colorful and vibrant,

815
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: and really closed the chapter perfectly on the Guardians. The

816
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: only bad thing about Guardians three is that was James

817
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: Gunn saying goodbye to the MCU, and now he's jumped

818
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: ship for the other guys in DC. So no more

819
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: Guardians movies. I'm my ranking of Phase five in the MCU.

820
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: We also have Ironheart coming out in June. But now

821
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: I want to predict Phase six because we have four

822
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: movies announced so far, Fantastic Four, which is coming out

823
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: on July twenty fifth, Avengers Doom Day, which is coming

824
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: out on May first, twenty twenty six. Then we have

825
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: Spider Man Brand New Day coming out on July thirty first,

826
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, and Avengers Secret Wars coming out on

827
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: May seventh, twenty twenty seven. I got to keep myself

828
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: alive until twenty twenty seven. MCU has really kept me

829
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: living because I can't leave this earth without seeing Secret War.

830
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: So four movies in Phase six. None of them have

831
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: come out yet, but these are my predictions of what

832
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: is going to be the best in the MCU. At

833
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: number four, I'm going with Fantastic four First Steps. I

834
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: love the fact that this movie is set in the

835
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties because so far there hasn't been a great

836
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: Fantastic four movie. Don't come at me with the two

837
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: thousand's Fantastic four. You're just nostalgic for those movies. They're

838
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: not great movies, fun for the time, but they're nowhere

839
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: new on the level of what Marvel was putting out

840
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: at the time. It's not X Man, it's not Spider Man.

841
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: Chill out. Fantastic Four just doesn't have their defining cast yet,

842
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: and I think this cast could be it. At number three,

843
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Avengers Doomsday I think it's gonna be great,

844
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: but I don't think the Russo Brothers are gonna put

845
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: all the chips on the table in Doomsday. I think

846
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a big building movie. We are

847
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: getting Robert Downey Junior as Doctor Dooman this movie. That

848
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: is gonna be the main focal point. But as far

849
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: as what is gonna be building, I think that is

850
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: coming later. So I think Fantastic four is gonna set

851
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: up a lot of big things and we're gonna get

852
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: some of those in Doomsday, But what we really want,

853
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: what's gonna blow our minds, is coming later. So I

854
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: have Doomsday at number three. At number two, I have

855
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: spider Man brand new day. Tom Holland will become the

856
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: first actor to get a Ford Spider Man movie, and

857
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: I have major bias. Of course, I have spider Man

858
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: tattooed on my arm for crying out loud. But I

859
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: didn't put it at number one mainly because I'm not

860
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: ready to say goodbye to Tom Holland as Spider Man

861
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: and this movie it just has to be what is

862
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: going to close out his character, because I'm surprised that

863
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: we're even getting to a fourth film. No Way Home

864
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: ended with me getting my heart broken, So I can

865
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: only imagine what is gonna happen with this character in

866
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: Brand New Day. And I'm hoping that all those post

867
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: credit scenes with Tom Hardy, we are gonna get Venom

868
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: in the MCU. If not, I'm rioting, But Spider Man

869
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: Brand New Day at number two. At number one, I

870
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: have Avengers Secret Wars. I think this is where all

871
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: the good stuff is gonna be. I think they're gonna

872
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: bring back old Avengers because we saw some things teased

873
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: and Deadpool and Wolverine. What was the wor crying at

874
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: If you have read the Secret warst comics, what happens

875
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: is all the superheroes disappear from Earth. They get sent

876
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: to this planet and essentially are all pitted against each other.

877
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: So you have the X Men fighting the Fantas for

878
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: fighting a version of the Avengers, and I think that

879
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: is what we are building up to. It is my

880
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: favorite run in comics history. I have Secret Wars number

881
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: eight on this wall for that reason. But yeah, the

882
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: first appearance of the symbiote Spider Man in that issue.

883
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: They have to work that into this movie. I mean,

884
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: you have whole Captain America, Cyclops, Wolverine, the Lactus. All

885
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: the characters are in Secret Wars, so that is what

886
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: they are building up to. So for me, Secret Wars

887
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: is gonna have that endgame level hype and hopefully on

888
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: that same quality. So that is my ranking of movies

889
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: that haven't even come out yet. At number four Fantastic four, three,

890
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: Doomsday two, Spider Man, Brand New Day, and at one

891
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: Avengers Secret War. Everybody listening, I hope you're all alive

892
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: with me on May seven, twenty twenty seven, so we

893
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: can see this thing through. It's time to head down

894
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: to movie. Mike trailor Paul, we finally have a movie

895
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: where the Rock is not playing the rock. Sometimes you think, man,

896
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: do you have to see what people write about them

897
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: online all the time, because he gets pounded anytime a

898
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: new rock movie comes out and everybody's like, oh, it's

899
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: just a rock playing the rock again. And I'll admit

900
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: I kind of turned on the Rock growing up. He

901
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: was my favorite wrestler. I love the Rock, but when

902
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: he comes to his movies, it always just feels that

903
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: anytime he's in a movie, it's just a rock showing

904
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: up on set. Dude, he's Busy has a lot of

905
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: business ventures. For some reason, he has a line of

906
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: hair products even though he has no hair, although in

907
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: this movie it looks like at the beginning of the

908
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: movie he does have hair. So I just feel like,

909
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: when you get to a level of being so famous,

910
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: having so many Instagram followers, just constantly feeding that Instagram algorithm,

911
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: you get to a point where the things you do

912
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: start to become a little bit of an afterthought. When

913
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: you become this big brand, this big entity, with a

914
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: huge probably roster of people that he supports. But I

915
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: think the Rock wants to leave a legacy behind. And

916
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: even somebody at his level still reads the comments that

917
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: we all read. I read them here on a very

918
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: small level, just looking at YouTube, Instagram and TikTok. Now

919
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: that I have that back by the way, somebody hacked that.

920
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: If you missed that, I still can't change my full username.

921
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: But even somebody at his level, I believe, still reads

922
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: comments and thinks, man, people are making fun of me.

923
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: People are saying I play the same character in every

924
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: single movie. Maybe I should do something different. And whenever

925
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: this first was announced, I thought, Okay, at least he's

926
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: working with somebody that he hasn't worked with before. In

927
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: this case, we have director Ben Safti, who it's his

928
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: directorial debut as a solo director. He is most known

929
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: for directing movies with his brother, the Safti Brothers, movies

930
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: like Uncut Gems, Good Time with Robert Pattinson. They have

931
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: a really raw and gritty approach to making movies and

932
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: I was very excited about that. And it's also a

933
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: huge deal for A twenty four, which is still a

934
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: smaller studio but responsible for movies like every Everywhere, All

935
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: at Once, which one of a lot of oscars. They

936
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: have one of the most fantastic libraries of original movies,

937
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: and I would say it was last year where they

938
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: really made stright to have a big box office impact

939
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: with Civil War, even this year with A twenty four's Warfare,

940
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: but now with having The Rock in an A twenty

941
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: four movie, that is huge for this studio. So what

942
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: this movie is about. The Rock transforms into UFC fighter

943
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: Mark Kerr. This is in the early days of UFC

944
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: where it's nowhere near what it is today and he

945
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: is one of the best of all time. The movie

946
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: also stars Emily Blunt as his wife, It's the first

947
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: time they've teamed up since Jungle Cruise, and I gotta

948
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: say this looks much better and way different than Jungle Cruise.

949
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: The movie is coming out this fall on October three.

950
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: Before I get into more about the Smashing Machine, here's

951
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: just a little bit of the trailer. Probably looking in

952
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 1: my eyes? How that happen? Well? Have you ever heard

953
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: of the Ultimate Fighting Championship the UFC? That's the bloody

954
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: thing they're trying to ban.

955
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 2: With Jock.

956
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: Here's the best he has ever seen. Do you hate

957
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: each other when you fight? Absolutely?

958
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 4: Not?

959
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: Winning is the best feeling there is.

960
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: It's forty thousand PM.

961
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 3: When they're cheering you on.

962
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: There's no other highlight it no more.

963
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 4: So.

964
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: The movie we'll focus on Mark Kerr's rise to fame

965
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: in uf see, also his struggles with addiction and injuries

966
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 1: that we get a glimpse of here in the trailer

967
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: where he's going to the doctor. He's down for the count.

968
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: It looks like at one point he starts the trailer

969
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: with hair and he ends the trailer without here. It

970
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: will also dive into his personal relationship with his wife

971
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: Don played by Emily Blunt, and will also touch on

972
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: the brutal and unforgiving side of Mma, which was also

973
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: the subject of a two thousand and two documentary also

974
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: called The Smashing Machine. First of all, I am blown

975
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: away by the transformation of the Rock in this not

976
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: only physically, which he looks a lot different. It looks

977
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: like they have some prosthetics to give his face a

978
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: different structure. Aside from the physical attributes, it's also the

979
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: fact that he's actually acting in this trailer. When is

980
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: the last time we saw the Rock act actually have emotions,

981
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: actually have flaws in a movie. That just doesn't feel

982
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: like he was cramming it into his jam pack day

983
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: in between workout sessions. This looks like something he actually

984
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: put his heart and soul into and I can't wait

985
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: to see it. The other thing that really catches my

986
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: eye about this trailer is have you ever seen that

987
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: clip of Harry Styles talking about don't worry Darling, and

988
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: He's like, my favorite part about the movie is it

989
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: really feels like the movie.

990
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: You know.

991
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 4: My favorite thing about the movie is like it feels

992
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 4: like a like a movie. It feels like a real like,

993
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 4: you know, go to the the film movie.

994
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: I think I know what he was trying to say

995
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: in that description of don't worry darling, even though it

996
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: just sounded really weird. I think I felt that way

997
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: watching the trailer for this that it had a film

998
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: like quality to it. And they actually shot this movie

999
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: on sixteen millimeter film, where you can see that grain

1000
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: in some of these shots. And I can't remember the

1001
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: last time I saw The Rock in a movie that

1002
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: wasn't filmed digitally, and it adds a layer of authenticity

1003
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: to it. And that also adds to showing us The

1004
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: Rock in a way we haven't seen before. It's almost

1005
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: like taking a picture of a really famous person on

1006
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: a polaroid. The question I have to ask myself is

1007
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: The Rock going for not only an Oscar nomination, but

1008
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: an Oscar win. Think about the subject matter of this movie.

1009
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: Playing a guy who loves to fight, wants to win,

1010
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: will do anything in his ability to win, will take pain, medication,

1011
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: will fight through all that. I feel like that runs

1012
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: parallels with the Rock because he does have the fame,

1013
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: he has the fortune, but he doesn't have the critical acclaim.

1014
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: I think that's the only thing that he is missing,

1015
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 1: and probably why he took this role, why he worked

1016
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: with a smaller studio with a director who had that

1017
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: critical acclaim didn't do it for the paycheck. Probably was

1018
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: happy to take the pay cut like a lot of

1019
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: big actors do, to work with a twenty four to

1020
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: get people talking about him in a way they haven't

1021
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: talked about him before. The movie is also coming out

1022
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: in the fall, in October, right around Oscar season, so

1023
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: it will be fresh in the memory of voters' minds, which,

1024
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: by the way, that article that came out that a

1025
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: lot of Oscar voters don't even watch the movies that

1026
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: they are voting on, that story just boiled my blood

1027
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: that they are setting new rules that you actually have

1028
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: to watch the movie because a lot of people were

1029
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: just clicking on them and leaving them just running on

1030
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: a browser on their computer to count as their watch

1031
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: for that And that just infuriates me. As somebody who

1032
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: covers the Oscars, heavily watches all the Best Picture nominees,

1033
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: pays my own money to do it. Ough that really

1034
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: just angers me. I feel like the Rock will probably

1035
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: have the hardest time convincing those voters that he is

1036
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: worthy of a nomination, and we've seen people be snubbed

1037
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: in this category playing a similar role zach Efron for

1038
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: The Iron Claw received no nominations. That is a travesty

1039
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: in itself, and zach Efron gave his all to that role.

1040
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: Made me cry, made a lot of people crying. There

1041
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: was so much emotion in his performance. The fact that

1042
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: he didn't even get a nomination speaks volumes. So he

1043
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: set the bar pretty high. But I think The Rock

1044
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: could do some campaigning for this. He is a very

1045
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: likable person, so if the quality is there in his performance,

1046
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: which we do get glimpses of it here in this

1047
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: trailer showing a much different side of himself, I think

1048
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: he could get that nomination. I don't think he would

1049
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: get the win. And I know I'm saying this very prematurely,

1050
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: as I've always seen the trailer haven't watched the film,

1051
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: but I kind of know how these things work. I

1052
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: know the mechanics of putting out a movie. At this time,

1053
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: I do think this is him flirting with getting a nomination.

1054
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: So again, I'm really excited for this movie. I don't

1055
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: remember the last time I've been excited for a movie

1056
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,479
Speaker 1: starring The Rock. After last year I drug red Wood

1057
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: straight to Hell. Maybe a little bit too hard on

1058
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: my part. This time, I am all behind him, and

1059
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: if he surprises me really doing a good job, maybe

1060
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: my entire perception of the rock when it comes to

1061
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: his movie roles, because I think the last movie that

1062
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: just left that bad taste in my mouth that it's

1063
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: so hard to get out is what he did with

1064
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: Black Adam. But again, The Smashing Machine is coming out

1065
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: on October third. Head That for was this week's edition

1066
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 1: of Movie Li Tram or Bar and that is gonna

1067
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: do it for another episode here of the podcast. But

1068
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: before I go, I gotta give my listeners shout out

1069
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: of the week. This week, I went over to my

1070
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, which is YouTube dot com slash Mike Distro

1071
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: if you ever want to find that, so you can

1072
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: go watch full spoiler free reviews that are all isolated.

1073
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: I put them up individually. I'll put up bonus clips

1074
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: there as well and interviews. So go subscribe to my

1075
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: YouTube channel hit that link in the description of this podcast.

1076
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: But this week's listener shout out goes to Rusty's Reality

1077
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: ten ninety one, who commented on my review of The

1078
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: Accountant Too and said, I totally agree. I was overall

1079
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: disappointed with the movie. I thought it was just man,

1080
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: nothing really draws you in to keep your attention. Sad

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Speaker 1: to say, I think the best part is when John

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Speaker 1: Burnhalt throws his brother's sunscreen from the top of the airstream.

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Speaker 1: That was a good part of the movie. That entire

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Speaker 1: conversation they had on the airstream, which was really diving

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Speaker 1: into their relationship as brothers and how one of them

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Speaker 1: was hurt the other one was like, Okay, I'll do better,

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Speaker 1: and again that kind of played into the story being

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Speaker 1: more about two brothers trying to repair their relationship. Also,

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Speaker 1: in that scene you're talking about Rusty is them winning

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Speaker 1: more into the comedy which I just wasn't a big

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Speaker 1: fan of. That dance scene still burns a hole in

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Speaker 1: my head of why they even decided to include that

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Speaker 1: and why they change the character of Christian Wolf so

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Speaker 1: much from part one to part two. So thanks for

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Speaker 1: watching that review on YouTube. Thanks for commenting. Hopefully you're

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Speaker 1: subscribed over there on the channel. Hopefully you right now

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Speaker 1: listening are subscribed wherever you listen to podcasts. I always

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Speaker 1: appreciate that tag me in your Instagram story if you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed this week's episode. We did have an interview, so

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Speaker 1: I will be posting clips over on my social media.

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Speaker 1: Like I mentioned earlier, my TikTok was hacked recently. I

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Speaker 1: do have access back to it now, but I haven't

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Speaker 1: been posting a whole lot over there because I haven't

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Speaker 1: been able to fix my username yet. But this week's

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Speaker 1: secret emoji is the zombie, so just comment with that

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Speaker 1: send me a DM. You can also email me Moviemike

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Speaker 1: d at gmail dot com and I'll pick someone who

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Speaker 1: replies with that as next week's listener shout out, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I will be sitting down with the

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Speaker 1: directors of Not Just a Goof on Disney Plus, which

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Speaker 1: is the documentary about a Goofy movie. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: seen that yet, highly recommended. I did an episode maybe

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Speaker 1: three or four weeks ago talking about that, talking about

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Speaker 1: how much of an impact a Goofy movie made on me.

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Speaker 1: So we'll be doing that next week. Really excited about

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Speaker 1: that one. So thank you for being here, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being subscribed, and until next time, go out and

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Speaker 1: watch good movies and I will talk to you later.