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Speaker 1: Bodybacks with Joseph Scott Morgan. When most people think about

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Speaker 1: hopefully to develop and learn, to begin to prepare yourself

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Speaker 1: for the world outside of that environment. Back on Valentine's

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Speaker 1: Day twenty eighteen, at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School, it

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Speaker 1: became a killing ground. Today we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: a place frozen in time, the scene of a mass murder.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Bodybacks Jackie Howard,

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Speaker 1: Executive producer of Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I got

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Speaker 1: to tell you, I think, in all of my years,

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Speaker 1: has been locked down and literally frozen in time like

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Speaker 1: this particular scene has been. Over all of these years.

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Speaker 1: I sit there and I think, you know, what's the

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Speaker 1: purpose of this? And it's quite fascinating when you begin

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Speaker 1: to think about a crime scene that has not been

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Speaker 1: and then Essentially, locks were put on the door and

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Speaker 1: the waiting began. This scene, Joe, as you say, has

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Speaker 1: not been touched in nearly five years. And that is

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Speaker 1: you about that. But let's go back and look at

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Speaker 1: what happened and discussed the forensics there first. In twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: as you said, nineteen year old Nicholas Crews opened fire

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Speaker 1: School in Parkland, Florida. Seventeen people were killed, seventeen people

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Speaker 1: He arrived surprisingly by uber. He was dressed in an

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Speaker 1: In fact, it was bigger and surpassed the Columbine High

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Speaker 1: So when Nicholas Cruz opened fire, he really set it up.

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Speaker 1: He knew what he was doing. Show he entered the

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Speaker 1: he was purposed to do this mass shooting, and it

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Speaker 1: appears to be almost as if he was chameleon like.

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Speaker 1: He blended in with the environment. It was an environment

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Speaker 1: of some kind. Usually depending on the investigator, A lot

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00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: say they like paper because it doesn't leave any other

435
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: kind of residue at all, to say plastic because it

436
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: preserves it better. I'm not an investigator, I don't know,

437
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: but I do know that the evidence that has collected

438
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: as is sealed. How do you seal a building. I've

439
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: got to be a little clear about this, because in

440
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: the immediate when the teams went into this high school

441
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 1: and began to work this scene, evidence was collected, you know,

442
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: like the spent casings that would have been ejecting out

443
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: of the port and striking the ground and bouncing all

444
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: over the place. If there were projectiles that could be recovered,

445
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: they were recovered. Okay, that's important for everybody to understand.

446
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: But you know, there's a there's a bigger thing at

447
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: play here. When you have, like, for instance, large pools

448
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: of blood, there's nothing you can do, okay, to collect

449
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: a large pool of blood. The blood is going to

450
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: be there, unless, of course, you have staff that comes in,

451
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: you know, afterwards, and begins to clean this and this

452
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: does happen. That's, you know, where this whole industry is

453
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: kind of rising up crime scene clean up companies and whatnot.

454
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: But I find it compelling in this particular case that

455
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: it was at that moment time that after that initial

456
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: processing of the scene with the photographs and measurements and

457
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: the collecting of the spent brass. The authorities, and probably

458
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: at the behest of the DA, made this increa ridable

459
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: decision that we're gonna lock this thing down. We're gonna

460
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: lock it down, we're gonna put up a fence around

461
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: this place, we're gonna seal it up. There's only going

462
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: to be one person or maybe a couple of people

463
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: that actually have keys to this place where folks can

464
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: actually go in and have access to it. And that's

465
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: that's quite interesting, you know, because there's still evidence there,

466
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: but it's not evidence in the classic sense like we

467
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: think of where we're collecting. You know, first off, we're

468
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: collecting remains. We're collecting tufts of hair, which is kind

469
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: of fascinating because one of the people that was out

470
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: at the scene actually saw a tuft of hair that

471
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: was still on the floor adjacent to a large pool

472
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: of blood that some items are still left behind. And

473
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: I think that when you begin to think this out

474
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: and you think, well, why in the world would they

475
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: want to do though you read my mind, I was

476
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: just waiting for a great to jump in and say,

477
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: I don't understand why, why would you want to do

478
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: this because they had a suspect that they caught that day,

479
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: the day of the event, that had survived. Many times

480
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: when you have events that occur like this, you'll have

481
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: a shooter that will take their own life, or we'll

482
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: be taken out by the police. Not in this case,

483
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cruz was arrested, I mean, and they processed him,

484
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: and it was so well documented in the media, and

485
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, we had first court appearances images from that,

486
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: We had all manner of things that kind of we

487
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: saw where this was going. To their credit, the prosecutors

488
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: and you know, probably the state ag and all of

489
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: the investigators that were involved, they came to conclusion, we

490
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: need to lock this thing down because at some point

491
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: in time, unless something odd happens, this is going to

492
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: go to trial. And it turned out that it did.

493
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: It did go to trial. They had this thing sealed

494
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: up to the point where you were going to be

495
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: able to witness the triers of fact. You know, those

496
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: individuals that are sitting in that jury box, they were

497
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: going to be able to go back and look at

498
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 1: this from an evidentiary standpoint, from an event standpoint, and

499
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, maybe from a history standpoint, maybe

500
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: some of these people on the jury didn't really have

501
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: a full awareness of what had happened because they were

502
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: selected for the jury. Maybe maybe they didn't know the extent.

503
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: But when those jury members are eventually taken back out there,

504
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: I can tell you this, it hit them full force

505
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: in their chest. Okay, So I've got to go back

506
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: to my original question, how did they do this? We're

507
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: not talking something being you know, hermetically sealed. They didn't

508
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: seal every crack and lock every door. They locked access

509
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: from the outside. Is that all they did? They locked

510
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: access from the outside. You know, obviously the doors and

511
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: everything we're sealed, But then you've got this fencing that

512
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: goes up around it. My suspicion is my suspicion is,

513
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: and I can't necessarily confirm this right now, but is

514
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: that there were probably cameras trained on this as well

515
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: to document all the comings and goings over all these years.

516
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: Anybody that might have access and I can tell you

517
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: that probably defense would want to know that information. They

518
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: would want to be able to And what's really interesting

519
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: is that one of the things we talk about in

520
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: forensics is chain of custody. You talked about the bagging

521
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: of evidence, and all these sorts of things. When evidence

522
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: is handed off, you have to be able to account

523
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: for it and track it because if you don't, if

524
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: anything enters that chain and breaks that chain at any

525
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: point in time. Not in every case, but in many cases,

526
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: that evidence becomes invalidated because you can't attest to the

527
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: security of that evidence. Well, it's one thing to have

528
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: bagged evidence that goes from detective to the evidence custodian

529
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: at the state crime lab and it's passed onto the

530
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: scientists who tested. That's one thing. Right now, we're talking

531
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: about the security of a structure. Just imagine that, if

532
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: you will, the security of a structure where it has

533
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: to be accounted for from beginning to end. Because this

534
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: is this building. The structure actually is a big part

535
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: of the case itself, the case in total, because you're

536
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: using this environment, which in a weird way, the whole

537
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: building becomes a piece of evidence. It's kind of odd

538
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: when you think about it, that you're going to walk

539
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: through a piece of evidence. Isn't that interesting? You know,

540
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: when you think about it from the perspective of the courts,

541
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: You're going to walk through a piece of evidence that

542
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: has already essentially been processed and documented. Now we're going

543
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: to go back and enter this environment that has been

544
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: sealed for all of this period of time, and we're

545
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: going to give you the timeline that we have put

546
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: forward as to how this thing went down. And it's

547
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: really hard for the defense, I think, in this case,

548
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: to deny that it happened in any other manner. They

549
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: have to go through and see marked by Tom. And

550
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: they have this thing marked by Tom of his movements

551
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: all the way from when he first got out of

552
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: that uber to the moment he exited out of the structure.

553
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to wrap my mind around this a

554
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: little bit so that I understand the point of sealing

555
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: the building keeping everyone out is not necessarily to one

556
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: hundred percent preserve whatever evidence there is, as you talked

557
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: about the blood was going to be remaining, the tuft

558
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: of hair. It's not necessarily to preserve that evidence for

559
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: future collection because after this period of time, it's gonna

560
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: degrade and be contaminated by dust, by settling from the building,

561
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: by rodents, by insects that may have been able to

562
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: get inside the building. So the preservation is for an

563
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: entirely different reason. Yeah, it is. It tells a story.

564
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: Let's go to blood specifically, blood is not a standalone substance.

565
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: It has multiple components. One of the chief components is

566
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: that it's got water in it. There is water that

567
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: is in dwelling in the components of blood. And once

568
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: that blood is outside of the body and it's on

569
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: an open surface like this, and we're talking about it,

570
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to use it. I love Florida. I

571
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: don't want to use the word hostile necessarily. But let's

572
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: face it. Environmentally, it's very very hot, right, and we

573
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: all know that he causes things to degrade significantly. So

574
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: the pools of blood that would have been left behind,

575
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: for instance, are not there necessarily to be tested. What

576
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: remained of the blood, those components are simply there as

577
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: an illustration of what heard at that environment. And it

578
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: can be implied at least as the jurors and the

579
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: court members of the cord are walking through, they can

580
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: see these spots and how would they have looked? Well,

581
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: since the water essentially is all gone, the other substances contained,

582
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, we have serum, and we have red blood

583
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: cells and whatnot. Those components now have become dried, and

584
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: many people can identify with dried blood. If you've injured

585
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: yourself at some point in time, you know that it

586
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: has and maybe you didn't clean up the blood afterwards.

587
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: You can see that it changes color. It doesn't look

588
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: like that vibrant red you know from an immediate injury.

589
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: And in this particular case and what people have reported,

590
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: I urge anybody that's within the sound of my voice

591
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: to go and listen to what these reporters had to

592
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: say that walk through this environment. The blood is essentially

593
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: brown now and has begun to flake. And that's very

594
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: common and we see this a lot at crime scenes,

595
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: particularly where there has been a homicide and the body

596
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: has been taken off from that location and disposed of

597
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: in another location. We go back and we find blood

598
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: that gives us an indication that's something violent happened. Well,

599
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: there was a lot of violence here, there was a

600
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: lot of blood, But all of that collection of blood

601
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: is going to be brown, cracked, flaked, it'll be peeling up.

602
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: It almost looks like old dried paint and it's very

603
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: very fragile. There's another component to this as well. You

604
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: got bullet strikes where you have these areas, say for instance,

605
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: in the floor, that are notched out, and you can

606
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: see those. You can see where the bullet's actually struck

607
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: and maybe ricocheted off of the floor. You can see

608
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: a defect in a wall or a door where a

609
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: projectile actually either embedded itself or passed through it. That's

610
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: not something that you wouldn't normally see in a school

611
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: when you walk through, but it marks that moment in

612
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: time when all of this happened, and you begin to

613
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: get an appreciation. I think if you're the person that's

614
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: task with judging all of this, because that's what the

615
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: jurors do, right, you're given a sense of that time

616
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: and place when this occurred. You know that there's been

617
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: a certain level of violence here. And for me, one

618
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: thing that really tugs at your heart strings in this

619
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: not that there's not so much other but this occurred

620
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day. One of the stories that is kind of,

621
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, put out there is that one of the

622
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: things that one of these reporters, a pool reporter I

623
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: think it is with a ap actually noticed is that

624
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: he saw a teddy bear laying on the floor and

625
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: it had a heart, and you know, you can imagine

626
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: a youngster that receives some little token of love and

627
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: affection from somebody that's interested in I'm on Valentine's Day,

628
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: and now they're fleeting for their life and suddenly that

629
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: Teddy Bear is not as important. They drop it. They

630
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: leave it there, and the investigators didn't remove that. They

631
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: talk about how they're unopened Valentine's cards, lying about one

632
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: of the things are of the flowers. There were roses

633
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: in a lot of these places, and they're wilted and

634
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: kind of you know, drooping down and dried petals are

635
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: falling off and this sort of thing. It's quite amazing

636
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: that they were able to lock this down and keep

637
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: it sealed up so that you know that the jurors

638
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: could go back and revisit the horror that took place

639
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: that Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body backs