1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Moves of Six podcasts live on location Indianapolis, 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: NFL Scout and Combine. Here are my man lance Z, 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: the man who knows all things about every prospect that 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: is in this class, which is really amazing to think 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: about all the dudes and all the guys. So we're 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: adding last night we had an opportunity to see the 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: defensive line and the linebackers work out, and man Lance 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: like you talked about the athletes that they are playing 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: on the front seven of defenses across the country. Amazing athletes, 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: the catholices that we're seeing. What were your general overall 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: impressions of the workhouse that we saw last night. Well, well, 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: we'll get through the speed stuff in just a second, 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: because I think that's a little bit of a different conversation, 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: but in general, big athletic. I mean, you look at 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: Lucas van Ess run through drills on a field, followed 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: by Kean White, and it's like guys who looked like 18 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 1: that should not be that smooth in the field. That's 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: that's one of the first things. And then you see 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: how Lucas van As tested not it was gonna be 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: a good tester, but you just see the numbers and 22 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: it's crazy. Aiden Hutchinson was a great tester. We know J. J. 23 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: Watt was a great tester. Mario Williams way back in 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: the day, Jadeveon Clowney. It was all happened to be. 25 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: You know, Houston Texans who they drafted those kind of 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: amazing testers. But these guys out here, it's becoming more 27 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: of the norm. I thought Jalen Redman had a really 28 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,639 Speaker 1: good day test. You know a lot of these guys. 29 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: I thought Bucky tested well. And they're just more fluid 30 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: and more athletic. And you're you're a fan of all sports, 31 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: so we see it in basketball. I'm a Jordan head, okay, 32 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: and Jordan I trust. But with that said, I recognized 33 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: the game of basketball is a more athletic game. Now 34 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: the game of football is becoming a more athletic game 35 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: across the board. So I had a conversation before I 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: came over to the stadium yesterday. I bumped into John Fox, 37 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: former head coach of the Carolina Panthers, Denver Broncos, and 38 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: Chicago Bears, respectively, and we worked to the other Carolina. 39 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: So we had a chance to kind of catch up 40 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: at reminisque. But we were talking about football and I 41 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: was like, what's the one thing that stands out? And 42 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: he said, the number one mismatch in football is the 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: defensive line versus the offensive line. You're talking about four 44 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: to six athletes dealing with guys that are running maybe 45 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: five h five to five four forties on the offensive line, 46 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: and that you don't have a chance to be able 47 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: to block these guys. And so a lot of the 48 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: times when we're talking about the struggles of the offensive line, 49 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily the offensive line is the superheroes that 50 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: we're now seeing on the front line making nearly impossible 51 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: to block these guys based on the personnel that you 52 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: have on offense and what you're putting into trench. You know, 53 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 1: we talked about this. Rhet Lewis gave us this little 54 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: nugget while we were getting ready. Of the sixty dbs 55 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: that are here, only twenty of them are sub six feet. 56 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: And you made a point that finally the switch has 57 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: been made from wide receiver to cornerback. Well, in defense, 58 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: it's always been if you go get the quarterback you're 59 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: on defense, even if you're one size, you know, and 60 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: your offensive line you're you're the same size. Well, the 61 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: best athletes are going out to defense, and I'm not 62 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: sure that's ever gonna change. The only time it changes, 63 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: we do see it happen. I should I shouldn't say 64 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: that we see defensive players become offensive linemen and good ones, 65 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: but it's a it's a very small percentage of that happening. Yeah, 66 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: And see what happens is the guys that fail the 67 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 1: defensive line that those are the ones that are, Hey, 68 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: you need to go over to the other line. Put 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: them to white, Jerry, you're gonna be an offensive line. 70 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: But we we can give you a different number. You can 71 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: go from that single digit number nine that you have 72 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: to win seventy three, and we can put you in 73 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: a little kickslide and do those things that that's what 74 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: we're seeing. And so the game has just changed so much, 75 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: and I think this has really been a great exhibition 76 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: for us to see the athletes that are playing on 77 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: this side. So just and in thinking about that right 78 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: out of the gate, who's the biggest winner, who won? 79 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: Who won yesterday? With their work and the defensive line. 80 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to be No. One Smith, right, 81 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: are we gonna call him? We can call him Madge. 82 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: He won in the group. If you want to go 83 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: pure D line, I would say, um, Lucas Lucas van Esse. Okay, 84 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: so let's let's let's start on Nolan Smith because I 85 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: think it's hard because you're doing all these profiles. I'm 86 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: doing these top five lists or whatever, and the game 87 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: is so fluid. Now that I didn't have a category 88 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: to fit Nolan Smith in. I couldn't necessarily put him 89 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: at edge. I couldn't put him with my don't think 90 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: he's He's kind of that that twixts in between. But 91 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: now the conversation becomes about what do you do with 92 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: an athlete like that, an athlete that runs sub four 93 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: four verticals forty one, has these crazy broad jumps and 94 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: all these other numbers. He Saquon Barkley workout as well. 95 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, like, what do you do with him? 96 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: Because now you'll see and we don't live for mock 97 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: drafts or whatever, but now everyone is going to throw 98 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: Nolah Smith in the first round under mock draft. But 99 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: when you watch him on tape, who is he and 100 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: what is he? Yeah, I think he's very you know, 101 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: it's funny. He is a tough run defender. Even at 102 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty some odd pounds. He punches above 103 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: his class at the point of attack. But what's weird 104 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: is for a guy with that kind of explosiveness and 105 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: that kind of speed, I don't he's not a great 106 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: pass rusher. Like, he's not a super explosive, consistent pass rusher. 107 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: And so now I'm like, Okay, well, naturally the thought 108 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: is going to be playing three four outside linebacker. But 109 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,119 Speaker 1: and I do see actually the run defense, and usually 110 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: you'd say, okay, we might make him a DPR designated 111 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: pass rusher. To me, Bucky, my thought is I'm gonna 112 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: put him. I'm gonna put him at, you know, at 113 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: an off ball linebacker spot, and I'm gonna let him run, chase, 114 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: hit because I know he's physical. I know he can 115 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: step downhill take on blocks. But You're right, I'm not. 116 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: I don't really have a great answer for you because 117 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure he doesn't fit the profile of 118 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: this or the profile of this cleanly just yet. Yeah, 119 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: jack of all trades, master of none, and the thing 120 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: will be for some of the coaches that are in attendance, 121 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: in their first exposure to Nolan Smith is what they saw. 122 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: You'll now have these muddy meetings. Oh yeah, you'll have 123 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: the meetings where the coaches like, oh, I can get 124 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: this out of him, I can do this, we bring 125 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: him here. I got a plan to do that, but 126 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: the film may not back that up. And we're already 127 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: hearing people talk about Georgia defensive players and hey, you 128 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: can't worry about their production because the defense is so 129 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: good and those things. But it's really hard to go 130 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: all in on a player where you don't have the 131 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: numbers to go with the athletic athletic displays that you 132 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: see in the combine. Yeah, Trayvon Walker went first, and 133 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: he didn't have the pass rush production and really didn't 134 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: rush the pastor great this year. I think it's it's 135 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: going to be And that's why I wasn't you know, 136 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: I didn't have him as the top ten type player 137 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: and my reports but and no one you know, full disclosure, 138 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: I've got a sixty two grade, a high sixty two 139 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: on Nolan Smith. That's like, that's a two three. Now 140 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm obviously going to project him, probably one when it 141 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: comes to the mock, because I'm not stupid. I think 142 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: a team probably is going to take that kind of 143 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: athlete first. He's also got phenomenal personal character. He's incredibly charismatic. 144 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: There's so many checks across the board in his favor. 145 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: Just I wish he had a little bit better rush. 146 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: But figuring out what to do. But then again, Bucky, 147 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: you know the idea of tweeter. One team's tweeters, another 148 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: team's hybrid. Yeah, it's and if you can find a 149 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: hybrid guy, Oh, people love hybrids, they just don't know 150 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: if they love tweeters. So I think he's going to 151 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: be an interesting one. I'm not sure. Also about Lucas. 152 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: Lucas Van has had an incredible workout. I think people 153 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: are gonna want him to be the next J. J. Watt. Yeah, 154 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: or Aidan Hutchinson. T J. Watt. Give him all the 155 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: white pass rush, Yeah, that white pass that's absolutely you 156 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: know how it works of a young Aaron Cammon whatever 157 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: whatever it is. Everyone I see Grant wishtram So that's 158 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: a yeah, young Aaron Cammon. That's that's how the game 159 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: was played in our space. When it comes to comps. 160 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: But the reality is I don't. I actually think he's 161 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: gonna get even bigger. I think he's gonna get up 162 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: into the two ninety some odd range. I mean, if 163 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: this were the old school, even the odd fronts, where 164 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: it's a clear you know, five nos five and you 165 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: got two outside linebackers. If it's like that, I'm sticking 166 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: him at five technique and I'm letting him. I'm letting 167 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: him go to work from there. But I think in 168 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: today's NFL the idea is put your your most explosive 169 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: guy on the on the edge. He's just not there 170 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: yet from a from a skill standpoint. So, but his 171 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: workout was bananas. And to your point, let's go look 172 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: at the guys who have to block him tackles. Go 173 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: find your best three cone drill and short shuttle. Now 174 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: go look at go look at hit and go look 175 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: at you know, he's gonna be up around I think 176 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: two eighty five to two ninety when it's all said 177 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: and done, Lucas Vanes, they won't even be close. Go 178 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: look at go take the third best workout guy from 179 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: the d tackle group and do it against the best 180 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: guard guy. And it's not those short area numbers aren't 181 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: even gonna be remotely close. No, they won't. They won't 182 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: be close. And it's just a different level of athleticism 183 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: that we'll see with those guys. Vanes to me was amazing. 184 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: I was a little bullish on him coming in. Uh, certainly, 185 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm impacted by the product that Iowa typically produces when 186 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: it comes to the athletes and those things, Which is 187 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: funny to think about Iowa being a bit of a 188 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: factory when it comes to producing top ten athletes. But 189 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: he certainly qualifies. And I had a conversation with the 190 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: director of a team prior to him working out, and 191 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: he's like, man, I don't I don't get the hype. 192 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: I don't see the athleticism. I don't see these things, 193 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: you know, I see a try hard player and all that. 194 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: But now he's kind of debunked some of those narratives 195 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: in terms of just his athleticism. It may not translate 196 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: into production, doesn't always translate on the field either, it doesn't. 197 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: And so you know, for a guy like that, like 198 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: he is now squarely and firmly in the conversation as 199 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: a first round guy when we talk about the mock 200 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: draft space, but when we look at the tape and 201 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: you wonder, Okay, what can he be? You're hoping, you know, 202 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: we'll continue to keep it. Uh, Trey Hendrickson Trey Henderson 203 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: type pass for us, Sam Hub Sam Hover, Yeah, but Noah, Like, 204 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: so he's gonna have a chance. Who Anderson actually is 205 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: not a bad guy to aspire to. I want to 206 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: ask you about this, So what do you do when 207 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: you work for teams and you're a scout? Like for me, 208 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: I personally, I don't really care as much about it 209 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: what it looks like from a testing standpoint, I just 210 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: want to see your numbers. I do care about the numbers. 211 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: Do you did you want to see what guys look 212 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: like opening up and running the forty yard dash as 213 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: a defensive linemen and linebacker? Did you want to see 214 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: them vertical? Do you want to see them in three 215 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: comb like? Do you care about how they look in 216 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: those trails? Are you just like the numbers? I mean 217 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: I kind of care like about how they look because 218 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: I'm more concerned with like those numbers are the thing, 219 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: like the one thing that I can tell you. And 220 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: this always translates guys who jump I run fast like 221 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: it and it just bears out. I'm looking at like 222 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: a guy like Brian Young four four three into forty 223 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: thirty eight inch vertical, YadA, YadA, YadA. It always married 224 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: you think about Nolah Smith forty one inch vertical four 225 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: three nine, like those things always go because it's the 226 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: same trace as hip explosion, lord body explosive and those things. 227 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: What I really care about more so than the forty 228 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: and those things. I want to see how they go 229 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: through the bags, That's what I Because it's muddy playing 230 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. How do you work maneuver 231 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: in and around the trash? Do you have the balancing 232 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: body control? Can you stop and start, change direction and 233 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: do those things. I'm more concerned about that. So I 234 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: get more from the bag drills and some of the 235 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: things where they move around the wave drill than all 236 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: that as opposed to, hey man, this dude runs fast 237 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: in a straight line. He does a great job with 238 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: the shuttles. Yes, it matters, but I'm more about, like, hey, 239 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: what does it look like? How does it feel? Can 240 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: you see him in sense that he's going to be 241 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: an upper end athlete as a defensive line so I know, 242 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, we live in a time that's very sensitive 243 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: or people are sensitive to this and that, and sometimes 244 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: the idea of staring at men and what they look 245 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: like and the lower body and the upper body, and 246 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: I get that people there's some people who are sensitive 247 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: to that. But I'm curious about what you're thoughts are. 248 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: You know, when I see a guy who looks the part, 249 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: I've always been taught there are certain guys who look 250 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: the part, and there are other guys who don't. And 251 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: a lot of times that's translatable. You know, you see 252 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: Will Anderson, I mean he looks department, You see him physically. 253 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: How much do you care about I think I know 254 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: the answer, But how much do you care about seeing 255 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: what these guys look like in the shorts and the 256 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: shirts in terms of the musculation, how they're built. Does 257 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: it tell you how they work out? Some of it's 258 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: just genetic obviously, but does it matter? It matters for 259 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: me the body composition. How much does it matter to 260 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: you to see them like that? So it matters to 261 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: me because I want the beauty paget. Yeah, I want 262 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: to win the beauty padget. I want to show up 263 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: with the hottest date. I want to show hope with that, 264 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: they're usually good players too, aren't. Yeah, the team that 265 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: looks like that, we talk about how does your team 266 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: look when it gets off the bus. We've been at 267 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: these games where you're going to see, like a top 268 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: college matchup. You go to the bowl game, then you 269 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: walk out for pregame, you see one team runnerut you're 270 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: like ooh, and then you see the other team and 271 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: they don't look physically as imposing as that team. And 272 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: there's this old saying, like Bill Parcells nick saving to 273 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: those guys. There's a reason why you have weight classes 274 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: in boxing matches. You want the bigger, faster, stronger squad 275 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: heavyweights knockout middleweights. It's been proven time and time again. 276 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: So I want the team that looks the part that's heavier, 277 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: this denser, and they're more explosive because over time we 278 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: won't wear you down. Yeah, it's no different than UFC 279 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: and boxing and anything that's a contact sport. You want 280 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: that the density, the compact frames, the you can be 281 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: long limbed dog. But that's why traits are so important. 282 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: And you know a big one in the NFL circles 283 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: and for some teams, other teams haven't really caught up 284 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: with it. The lean muscle mass. Getting the lean muscle 285 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: mass numbers on guys from from the from the Dexter 286 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: scan or the bob Pods is huge for some teams. Yeah, 287 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: it looks is huge, And I don't want to body 288 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: shame anybody, but like, look, man, no fat guys like everything. 289 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: No no fatties. We don't want any facts. Great with 290 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: the cults, Yeah, we want to be we want to 291 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: be fit. We want to make sure that when we 292 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: come out, we look the part. And if you think 293 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: about all the sports and the teams or whatever, like, 294 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: there's something culturally when it comes to hey, we want 295 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: to be a fit, conditioned team. Look at San Francisco's 296 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: defensive front. Oh man, just look at how they wear 297 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: you down. They just they wear you. Look at all 298 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: those guys on the front. What was what was the 299 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: mark teams that play San Francisco, they don't. I think 300 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: they were winless in the games following them, right because 301 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: of the physicality and brutality. Alabama does that in college. 302 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: I mean that's what they're do. Like they you play us, 303 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: you're in for a long day. You're not only in 304 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: for a long day. It's gonna take you a long 305 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: time to recover from their whooping that we put on you. Well, 306 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: that's why when we do the mock drafts, you know, 307 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: sometimes there will be numbers, there will be names to 308 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: pop up, and people are like, well, where did this 309 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: come from? But that's why Keyon White gets put into 310 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: a first round of gosh, yeah, you know, that's why 311 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: he gets put in there. That's why DJ has Lucas 312 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: van Ness where he has them because those guys historically, 313 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: if you look, they go, they go in the first round. 314 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: People love traits and explosion. Well you love trade. So 315 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: in the evaluation business, what you're trying to do is 316 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily about finding gas, is about eliminating guys. Yeah, 317 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: and what you're trying to do over time, because we 318 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: had it's such an analytical era. We are trying to 319 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: play the odds. You're trying to mitigate the risk by 320 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: playing the odds in overtime. The NFL has a history 321 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: of what plays and what plays at a high level 322 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: in this league, and the odds suggest guys that hit 323 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: certain benchmarks in certain areas, whether it's height, weight, length, 324 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: whether it's speed as explosiveness, all that they play and 325 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: so you may have an outlier. But if I'm doing 326 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: this and we're really thinking about it, I don't want 327 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: to waste my time chasing outliers. I'll play the odds 328 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: and say, hey, over time, guys with these traits play. 329 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: So let's focus on making sure that we have guys 330 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: with those No saying is if you make too many exceptions, 331 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: you have a team full of exceptions. And so that's 332 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: why we have to have these conversations about Bryce Seng. 333 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: It is important. That's why a conversation about Klijah Cancy. 334 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: We already did it with that, Oliver. Let's get to it. 335 00:15:55,560 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: Elijah Cancy okay, terrific day working out. He's very fast, 336 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: body type, He's thick in hiss lowers. He's got a 337 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: little different body type. When I watch my tape, I 338 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: love everything about the tape. I see how and for me, 339 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: it's one of those things where as long as he 340 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: can hit home runs, Bucky, I'm okay with some strikeouts, yeah, 341 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: but you gotta hit home runs. So how you use him? 342 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: Me personally, I already have a plan for him if 343 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: I draft him. I want a one down defensive lineman. 344 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: It's a plugger. I want to try to get to 345 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: second nine and then here, here he comes. Here he comes. 346 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: As soon as you get behind the chain, my man's 347 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: coming in. He's a designated hitter. He comes running out 348 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: of the dugout to make sure that he gets But 349 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: he's two eighty five and he's six one. Yeah, he's 350 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: six one twenty five. You don't see a lot of that, 351 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: and people will say, well, hey, you know Aaron Donald, 352 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: will hey understand this With Aaron Donald, he had years 353 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: years of disruptive production at Pittsburgh that you can see. 354 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: We saw him completely dominate the competition at the Senior Bowl, 355 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: and even with him fourth overall pick, it still took 356 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: time for people to kind of get comfortable with a short, 357 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: undersize defensive tackle being able to do it at a 358 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: high level in the league, and so we can't see 359 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: he's terrific. And you see on tape, like watching this 360 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: year's tape, you see the movement skills, first step quickness, 361 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: if he plays in a system that allows him to 362 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: play on the move where he's he can angle and 363 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: stunt and do those his arm over man, his first 364 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: step quickness and arm over great. But in the National 365 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: Football League, with those guys they have longer arms. They're 366 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: bigger and longer. They're bigger and faster, and the traffic 367 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood is a little tighter between that guard 368 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: center gap because those guys understand, Oh, I see you 369 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: trying to get in this crease. Here we go get 370 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: throw this left jab at your poomp and Stoney. Does 371 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: he have enough special traits to overcome the high defensiency. Yeah, 372 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: you have to have a plan. As you mentioned, it 373 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: has to be the right scheme. You gotta get into 374 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: gaps things like that. So but it's interesting because there 375 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: is a bunch of exceptions that are in their straft 376 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: an unusually high amount. And here's something else. You know, 377 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: when it comes to Cancie, I think you're always looking 378 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: for who is the last guy? So the last guy 379 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,239 Speaker 1: was at Oliver. I think Ed Oliver benefited from Aaron Donald, right, 380 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: they got a little push. Ed hasn't been as productive, 381 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: so that may hurt Kalijah can see a little bit. 382 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: I think he's going to get into the first round 383 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: after this workout, but only for certain Certain teams will 384 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: have him off the board, and other teams will say, 385 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 1: you know, I'm curious if there's a team willing to 386 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: give him a look as like de Kuan Bowers right, 387 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: as like a four three and I'd be a short 388 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: armed guy and he's six one, so he's done to 389 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: have length. But would you be willing to put him 390 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: in first down, play him on the edge as a 391 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: base guy on the edge, and then bump him down 392 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: in passing down? So yeah, maybe I think the big 393 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: thing for him is his ability to show people that 394 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: he can kind of stack and hold his own against 395 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: those big guys. From an explosive standpoint, he has all 396 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: the stuff to be able to be a disruptive presence. 397 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, like finally get home for him, that's gonna 398 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: be big. And so when people begin to project him 399 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: as a first round pick, one, does the body of 400 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: work equate to what a first round pick typically he delivers? 401 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: What do you have seven and a half? Eight and 402 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: a half sex this year? I mean it's fine? Did 403 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: he have it over multiple years? What is he able 404 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: to do? A ton of pressures, a ton of persons 405 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: so allowed it is no more thing? Fit in scheme? 406 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: How does he fit within the scheme? Does you gonna run? 407 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: And are you okay with a guy that's a bit 408 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: of an outlier at the position. That's the conversation here, 409 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: not I don't get. So there were some players who 410 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: did not d lineman and linebackers who did not run yesterday, 411 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: and some of them, you know, maybe have legitimate physical stuff, 412 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: But like, why is Drew Sanders not running? But he 413 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: is playing in he's going through all the drills on 414 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: the field, and he did everything else. He jumped, but 415 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: he doesn't run. To me, if even if I have 416 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: to limp, you know how fast this track is, it's 417 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: at least point seven faster than the old track. At 418 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: least that's what I've heard of land the laces guys 419 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: say they add point seven every run. Every run gets 420 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: a point seven? What your Why would you not run here? 421 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: And if you don't like your time, run against the 422 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: Pro Day. But if you like it, you're done. You're in. 423 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: You're in. And I don't know, man. You know Jack 424 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: Campbell got under a forty seven yesterday money because he 425 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: was out here and the rest of his workout was great. 426 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: But he's on this fast track. He beat the magic 427 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: for seven mark on this track. He doesn't have to 428 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: run nowt Proday. Look, man, you play cards, you get 429 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: him a little bit scared. Money don't make none, and 430 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: so sometimes you gotta put yourself on display on this track. 431 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: Let everyone see the explosiveness and those things. But let's 432 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: take a little break. We'll come back and talk about 433 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: the standout linebackers that worked out yesterday. All right, lands, 434 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: So we'll come back and we go talk about the 435 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: linebacker position. And you know the funny thing about linebackers. 436 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: Some teams don't value linebackers early in the draft because 437 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: they don't feel like they can get the bank for 438 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: the book. But what we're seeing from these linebackers, there's 439 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: a completely different animal that is now playing the linebacker position. 440 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: So let's just talk about linebackers. And immediately the first 441 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: name that we have to discuss Will Anderson, because he 442 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: was listening. Linebacker worked out of a linebacker? What did 443 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: you see from the Alabama standout? Look? Fine in a dremo. 444 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: I ran once he was in the four sixes and 445 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: like four to six seven. Well I think that was unofficial. 446 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the official time was, but then 447 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: he shut it down after that. Okay, I thought he 448 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: looked fine in the in the drills, fine on the bags. 449 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: Nothing that stood out is like wow or nothing had 450 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: said ooh. Neither one of those is. I'm still the 451 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: same on Will Anderson. That's fine, Dan Hanley, I gotta 452 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: tell you I missed on my evaluation to him. I'll 453 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: just tell you point blank, I've already had to make 454 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: some changes after the Senior Bowl. The way he's moving 455 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: out here. This guy, I watched him, and I think 456 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: too much of my evaluation came from the Oregon game 457 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: early in the year, And you have to be careful 458 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: about your because I liked to I wanted to see 459 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: him against that competition against uh, you know, Oregon in 460 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: their front, their offensive line. But the fact is sometimes 461 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: you just have to wait until the end of the 462 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: year because guys just get better. And I think I 463 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: think on Hanley, I was too low on him. I 464 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: love the way he moves out here. I liked watching 465 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: but Senior Bowl. I like the body type, I like 466 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: the speed, I like everything about him. Yeah. So when 467 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: we talk about a guy that moves like that and 468 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: it's very active and those things, and some of what 469 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: we're doing when it comes to evaluating people at the 470 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: combine is just pure projection part of it, because there's 471 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: a belief that if you have a great athlete to 472 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: bate a great ball of clay, you can mold the 473 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: player into what you want him to be. The problem 474 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: is you also have to see enough flashes on tape instincts, awareness, key, 475 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: and diagnose all of those. I just don't see the 476 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: instincts at all. But he worked out like a maniact 477 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: what is going on down in Auburn when it's thirty 478 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: reps at a four three nine. But but just like 479 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: you said, that's not gonna sway me too much because 480 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: I don't see dan stincts in the eyes on tape. No, 481 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: you don't see the instincts and eyes. But the next 482 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: conversation there goes to the special team's coach. Yeah, who 483 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: has gathered all the numbers, is looking at the spiration. 484 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, here are my cover teams. Here's my 485 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: guy that can go down old kickoffs, my guy that 486 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: can cover on punt return and do those things. So 487 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: that gives him a chance. What about one of the 488 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: top linebackers, Trenton Simpson from Clemson four four three in 489 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: the ford in the forty super explosive athlete and we 490 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: knew that, Yeah, did it? Change anything for you in 491 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: terms of what you thought about him. He's another eyes 492 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: guy for me. You know that. My concern isn't is 493 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: he quick enough? My concern is does he see it? Well? 494 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: So the athletic piece, I already had my athletic Yeah, 495 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: you concern you. So I got the tape, I got 496 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: the physical profile, and I got the athletic I already 497 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: knew the physical and athletic I wasn't. So this doesn't 498 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: change the tape. Nothing out here change now. Jalen Redman 499 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: a defensive lineman. Just to go back to him for 500 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: a second, Jalen Redman is the guy that I wrote with. 501 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: Somebody point out I wrote up below average athlete and 502 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: then he crushes a combine. Well, I gotta go change 503 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: that line, like I'm going to change that line today. 504 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let those receipts stay out there too long, Bucky. 505 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get that changed. But but that's why 506 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: this is here. You know. It makes me go back like, Okay, 507 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: was there an injury? Like why so that was something 508 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: where the athletic piece is now changing a little bit 509 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: for me in the profile of what I have with them. 510 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: So I may go back and go watch some more 511 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: tape and maybe reassess. That's why the combat. That's a 512 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: good thing about the combine though. It helps me. I'm 513 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: not trying to be I'm not trying to be right. 514 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: I'm trying to be accurate. So that helps me be 515 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: more accurate. That's good. Yeah, it is all about trying 516 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: to be the acc accuracy and that is what this 517 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: testing is really for, is to give us a baseline 518 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: assessment on where you are athletically. So when we have 519 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: those conversations in meeting, hey man, you got some you 520 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: got some stuff to back up what you may say 521 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: about a player of being an athlete and explosive player, 522 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Let's say it. Okay, so we're 523 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: taping this before today's workout, where we got the dbs. 524 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: Give me a name or two, give me somebody that 525 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: you're excited to see. Oh, we go time machine. So 526 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go time machine. I'm going all the way 527 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: forward on my time machine. And I'm gonna say DJ 528 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: Turner from Michigan and christians A. I think those are 529 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: gonna be the two most explosive testers in the Cornerback 530 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: group and Uh, I really want to see jay Or 531 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: Brown too. I think Jayre Brown is gonna run a 532 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: fast time from Penn Stadium. Oh, you mean Jaire Brown. 533 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: They I think they call him the takeaway King. Oh, 534 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: the takeaway King. His nickname is Tigg, as in Tigger 535 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: from Winnie to Pooh, But he has changed his name 536 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: to the takeaway King because you're talking about ten interceptions, 537 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: three force fumbles. Uh, and he has always been able 538 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: to do it at a high level. Say he was 539 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: a good basketball player, jumping into passing langs and stealing balls. 540 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you two names. I'm gonna give you 541 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: Kelly Ringo from Georgia U Junior Olympic World class sprinter, 542 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give you a guy from the West coast. 543 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: How about Clark Phillips from Utah's gonna run? Is he 544 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: gonna run? Oh? I think I think if an he 545 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: goes run, he got some gas. Okay, if he does run, 546 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: he has some gas. He's a strong, tough dude. Yeah, 547 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: tough dude. I think he might be the best nickel 548 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: corner that we'll see in terms of stature, big time player. 549 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: So that's it in terms of previewing stuff on the 550 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: move to six podcasts. Make sure you come back Manyana. 551 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk all about the defensive backs and who 552 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: showed up and showed out for me land Zi. That's 553 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: moved six podcasts. See you next time.