1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number one 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: five Tan's show. Dan and I are talking summer deer projects, 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: tree stand tweaks, and much more. All Right, welcome to 7 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick 8 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: of Gear, and today it's just me and Dan Man. 9 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about a whole hodgepodge of different things, 10 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: all related to hunting in some way. But I fear 11 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: we just kind of sit around our virtual campfire of 12 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: sorts and share a little bit of what's been on 13 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: our mind, you know, at this time of year, and 14 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: as you know as deer nuts. I guess this year 15 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: round deer nuts, I would say, is is safe to 16 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: call us? Even though it's May. There's there's plenty on 17 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: our deer hunting to do list. So I figured we 18 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: could talk about some of those projects, some of those 19 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: things we're working on, and then dive into a few 20 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: other things that have been kind of percolating in our heads. 21 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: Uh So that's kind of my thoughts what do you 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: think about that? Dan? Hey, I'm down for that, man. 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: I need a good a good white tail session. Yeah, 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: I agreed, I agree. We we didn't get to chat 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: last week because you were what what what were you 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: doing as a basket weaving conference? Is that right? Basket 27 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: weaving conference? It's you know, it's aside from white tails, 28 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: white tails and hunting in general, it is a passion 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: of mine. And knitting. Yeah, I mean just any type 30 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: of uh, you know, jobs that historically women do. Those 31 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: are what I really am passionate about, like traditional old 32 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: school eighteen hundreds type of basket weaving and knitting across 33 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: stitching those things. Oh my god, just a huge passion. 34 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it goes deep, it runs. I think it's 35 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: in my blood, just like hunting. Right now, tell me, 36 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: is it difficult to knit with those little needle things 37 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: with only nine fingers? It is very difficult. Um, And 38 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: just like hunting. You know, everybody has there. Anyone listening 39 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: to this episode for the first time is going to 40 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: shut it off so quickly. God, these guys are horrible. 41 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: Why does why does this hunting guy knit? I made 42 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: my own camouflage. It was pretty cool, you know, in 43 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: all seriousness. You really did used to make your own camouflage, Dan, 44 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: you made some jankie looking things. It was I tell 45 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: you what it was. It served no purpose other than 46 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: looking like Rambo First Blood. Tell our listeners who maybe 47 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: the newer listeners within the last year year and a 48 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: half only no Dan Johnson, the nine fingered wonder who 49 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: wears nice sickcamo? What about the Danson of yr who 50 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: wore self made camera Tell them about that camo. The 51 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: Dallas four worth of the world them, tell them about that. Um. 52 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: I dude, back in the day, it was like it 53 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't it was. It was not the hunting 54 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: industry for me. Like I wore Walmart camo. I did 55 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: my own stuff to make it three D, like cut 56 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: little triangles out of sweatshirts. I took giant patterns of 57 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: like camouflage that I got like scraps I that you 58 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: would get from camouflage companies, and I said, Hey, I 59 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: want to make a poncho out of it. So I 60 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: turned out I made a poncho out of it. Um. 61 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: I mean most of the time, most of the times. 62 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: I was when I very first started hunting, I was 63 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: wearing um like khaki pants, and I took black marker 64 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: and brown marker and like make lines on them and 65 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: to make it look like some kind of I don't know, camo. 66 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: That was way back in the day, man, And that 67 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: that sounds like some pretty serious d I Y work 68 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: right there. Did you ever take like a burlap bag 69 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: and just cut a neck hole and arm holes and 70 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: and bring that out on the woods with you? I 71 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: feel like you were real close. I have I have 72 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: the the I guess you want to say fabric to 73 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: make that stuff, but I didn't. It wasn't a bag, 74 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: it was that So what I would do. What I 75 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: did was I had my old and old hunting sweatshirt, 76 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: hooded sweatshirt, and then what I did was I took 77 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: fabric glue and I dotted it and then I put 78 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: the burle lap sack kind of over top of bit, 79 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: almost like a poncho. I tell you what it looked. 80 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: It looked like sniper military is. It was pretty cool. 81 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: Oh man, that does sound pretty cool. I think you 82 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: should bring that back out for like a photo shoot. 83 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: I'd love to see some of those now, you know. 84 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: And it's what's funny is that that's still like deep 85 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: at your core, like you still have a part of that, 86 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: a part of you that wants to do that kind 87 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: of thing. Because I went on a hunting trip with 88 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: you last year where you literally wore a black plastic 89 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: trash bag. You literally did that. So, by the way, 90 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: those are not breathable. No, no, I doubt they are. 91 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: Plastic is not plastic? Trash bags are not breathable? Oh 92 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: jeez o, Pete? So what what we are you really 93 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: doing last week? You were gone? Was the conference? It 94 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: was a conference? Right? No, it wasn't a conference. It 95 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: was software training. So I was out in a suburb 96 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: just west of Philadelphia, and uh, I was learning new 97 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: software that my company is going to implement. Gotcha was 98 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: that fun? Yeah? It was okay. I mean, I'm you know, 99 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: I love learning new things. But like travel for work 100 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: and travel for fun is two different things. Yeah, I agreed. 101 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: I Um. I used to travel a lot by air 102 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: for my old job, and so I kind of have 103 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: a weird I don't know what it is, I I 104 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: associate even though a lot of my air travel was 105 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: like for work stuff, I still have this weird association 106 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: from like being a kid. Every time I go to 107 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: an airport, I get all giddy and excited because I 108 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: think I'm going somewhere fun and exciting. But then, you know, 109 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: after dozens and dozens of work trips, you start to 110 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: get the opposite. But I'm back to being getty and 111 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: excited whenever I go to an airport, right, right, So 112 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: I missed. I missed the podcast last week. I was 113 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: disappointed because I did have to travel. And so now 114 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm ready. I'm like, I'm jacked, I'm ready to go. Good? 115 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: Are you ready to go? I'm ready? We we absolutely 116 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: should be. And what we're kind of talking about today 117 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: I figured was that, you know, talk about some of 118 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: the different projects we're working on or thinking about right now, 119 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: because I know there's a lot that I need to 120 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: be doing and that I have been doing over the 121 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: recent couple of weeks, and we haven't really had any 122 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: just catch up time of what's going on in our 123 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: deer hunting worlds. So I thought they would be a 124 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: good time to do that. Uh So, I don't know, 125 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: have you have you been thinking about anything? Have you 126 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: been getting out and doing anything? Yet? Last time we talked, 127 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I don't. I don't think we've 128 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: talked to you since you were there turkey hunting down 129 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: at your place. Have you done anything since? But actually, 130 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: for Dan answers that question, let's take a very quick 131 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: break for word from our sponsors of this podcast, Sick 132 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: to Gear, and today's sick of story comes from Wade James, 133 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: who last year decided to sacrifice his own hunting season 134 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: and instead focused on spending the whole fall with his 135 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 1: dad trying to help him get his first archery buck 136 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: and film it all too. The season was tough as 137 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: October dragged on, Wade began to worry, but miraculously, right 138 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: towards the end of their archery season, things came together 139 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: and a special season came to a special end. Yeah, 140 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: it was definitely just an emotional experience when it all 141 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: finally came together for us, just knowing that all the 142 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: hard working time that we put in was rewarded on 143 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: both ends, the fact that I was able to give 144 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: back to my dad, and then I just a fact 145 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: that it's just a great bonding season for us to 146 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 1: just spend time in the stand together all year round 147 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: and kind of just for me to show him off. 148 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: Thank Lamp for all the time you put in with 149 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: me that I could just give it a little bit 150 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: of back, a little bit of time back for him. 151 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: Wade took this powerful story of a son's ultimate thank 152 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: you and made a terrific short film about it called Reciprocate, 153 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: which you can watch at vimeo dot com, slash ad 154 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: Live collective. That's a d l i V collective. And 155 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: if you'd like to learn more about sick gear, which 156 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: Wade and his dad were both wearing on these hunts, 157 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: you can visit sick gear dot com. And now back 158 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: to that question for Dan, No man, Uh not really. 159 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: I took my buddy out turkey hunting once U close, 160 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: but no cigar type of deal. And uh, since then, 161 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: it's been just family. And uh, I tell you, as 162 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: soon as I'll keep this portion of it my my life, 163 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: I feel like he's out of control right now with 164 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: just how busy everything is with that work trip I 165 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: was on and then, uh, long story short, I was 166 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: in the hospital this entire weekend with my son, so 167 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: that kind of I had plans to do some food 168 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: plot prep work, um, and that didn't happen. So now 169 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: that's been delayed. And uh, now my next after this weekend, 170 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: this one. This is a holiday weekend right coming up. Yep, 171 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: So the following weekend, I've already okayed it with a 172 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: wife and uh that is going to be my trip 173 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: down to my main farm to do mineral and trail cameras. Nice. Nice. 174 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: So just so we're all update, everything's okay with a 175 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: little guy right now. He's doing better. Yep. He was 176 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: in the hospital for three days with pneumonia and uh 177 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: he got some treatments and he got some medication and 178 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: he seems to be doing better. So good. Wow, I'm 179 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: glad to hear he's on the men that that sounded 180 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: pretty brutal. Yeah, he's a tough one. Uh. Just I 181 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: can tell he's a tough one from the number of 182 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: times he falls and hits his head and cries and 183 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: then kind of like shakes it off and he goes 184 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: back to play in So he's resilient. Oh man, it's 185 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: not gonna be too long till he's run around the 186 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: woods in a burlap sack or a loin claw, right. 187 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 1: I feel like he would be that type of kid. Yeah, 188 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: he's not a fan of shirts and pants. Well, he's 189 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: off to a good start. Amen. So what's the plan 190 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: with the with the trail cameras in the minerals and 191 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: all that we've talked about, you know, a couple different 192 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: times in the past, over the past couple of years. 193 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: But what's your game plan this year? How many putting out? 194 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: Where are you putting him? I got five more to 195 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: put out this year, so I think a total of eleven, 196 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: I think ten or eleven. One of them one of 197 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: my old ones, I don't think is is working very well, 198 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: so that might be a close to home camera. But 199 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: I got three, four, four, potentially five properties to spread out. 200 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: Eleven trail Amazon and uh so you know, this time 201 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: of year is obviously inventory and uh basically check what 202 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: bucks are in the area, you know, check to see 203 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: how the does did as far as fund recruitment is concerned. 204 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: And then um, you know, watch that velvet rut, you know, 205 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: watch them grow and and you know that's that's just 206 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but it's one of my 207 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: favorite things about the life cycle of the white tail 208 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: is absolutely watching them grow in the summertime, trying to 209 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: pinpoint who that buck is. Is he you know, is 210 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: your return customer? Is he? Um? You know, as he 211 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: brand new to the area. You know, play that game, 212 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: give him names and and all that stuff. So right 213 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: now is getting that getting that mineral out? And you know, 214 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: I use mineral for basically one reason, and uh that 215 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: is to do, uh get them to come in front 216 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: of my trail cameras for some inventory. But I don't 217 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: know if it does do If it does provide a 218 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: health benefit, then I'm okay with that as well. Yeah, 219 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: it's funny. There's there's a lot of like debate about 220 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: the actual health benefits of minerals, and basically everything I've 221 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: read and a lot of the research states that there's 222 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: an assumed value, Like it makes sense that there should 223 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: be some benefits to these minerals, um, you know, whether 224 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: it be just overall nutrition or antler growth um you know, 225 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: because dear require a lot of the minerals that you know, 226 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: we provide them calcium, phosphorus, etcetera, etcetera. And especially in 227 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: there with antler growth like that's primarily um composed of 228 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: various minerals like that. So this this type of UH 229 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: supplementation should help. But at least the latest I saw 230 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: and that I've read, there haven't been any actual research 231 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: studies that can really prove it. Um. So it's kind 232 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: of one of those things where I'm kind of like you, Dan, 233 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: I put it out where legal, you know, mostly just 234 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: to get trail camera pictures and stuff like that, and 235 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: if it does happen to help, great, But that's not like, 236 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: that's not really I'm really banking on, right. I think 237 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: it was one of our one of our guests recently, 238 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: within the past five episodes. I think it was talked 239 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: about how the only way you can really tell if 240 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: mineral is doing any good is have a set of 241 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: identical twin bucks that have, you know, basically the same 242 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: rat characteristics and have the same diet and same stress 243 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: levels and expose them only only one of them to 244 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: the mineral to see how it does. And that's almost 245 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: impossible to do, right. Yeah, that's a pretty pretty tough 246 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: test control to pull off. Yeah, but either way, if 247 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: you can get them out there, it's certainly not a 248 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: bad thing if it's legal in your state. And uh, 249 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: what what are you putting out this year for your cameras? 250 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: What type of stuff? I know you've tried some different 251 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: things in the past as far as trail cameras are 252 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: concerned mineral track down or what I mean, mineral man. 253 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: I've view used anything like right now. I have a 254 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: couple of trophy rocks out, UM, I have some analogic 255 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: stuff out I have UM in the past, I've used 256 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: Lucky Buck and a couple of other minerals. Um. There 257 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: is uh a mineral company that I wish was doing 258 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: a better job. I know the owner, really good guy. 259 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: But for some reason, I feel that it's called white 260 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: Tail x TC. I don't know if you've ever used 261 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: it in the past, but that stuff, for some reason, 262 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: every trail camera I put it in front of brings 263 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: the deer in, and I mean a lot of it 264 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: almost seems like it's it's working to attract dear to 265 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: that location way better than any product I've used in 266 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: the past. And and Lucky Buck has always done a 267 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: real good job. But this white Tail x t XTC 268 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: stuff is really like. I've used that, I think for 269 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: three or four years now, and it does a really 270 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: good job. So, speaking of Lucky Buck, do you know 271 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: what Lucky Buck is based down here by me in 272 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: southern Michigan. Really yeah. And in another interesting fact, you know, 273 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: my buddy Dustin you met just in a couple of 274 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: times he was actually used. Pictures of him were used 275 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: in a bunch of Lucky Bucks ads and even on 276 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: their bucket of stuff. Oh yeah, that's right. I remember 277 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: him telling me that, Uh what a t a show 278 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: two years ago. Yeah, because he shot it was a 279 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: two d four inch buck in Michigan two four and 280 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: an eighth or three eighth or something like that. Net um, 281 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: So he he had a little bit of a celebrity 282 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: status there for a while, was on that those ad materials. 283 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: That was kind of cool. What would you do if 284 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: you killed two buck? I don't know what I do. Well, 285 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: after I changed my underwear, Um, i'd probably I don't know. 286 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: I would just sit and stare at it for hours. Probably. 287 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: I mean when I go to some of the some 288 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: of the trade shows and or like the Iowa Deer 289 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: Clas Sick and you walk up and down the big 290 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: Buck row or you know the big Buck area where 291 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: all the mounts are at, and you just stare. I 292 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: mean there's days my I have my buck down the 293 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: basement here, I just sit and I stare at it. 294 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: I lay on the couch and I stare at it, 295 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: and I just play the hunt in my head over 296 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: and over and over, and so I would probably do 297 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: that tenfold with One of my favorite things about having 298 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: shoulder mounts is just being able to kick back and 299 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: look at them and just relive that moment. Right. What 300 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: have you used in the past for mineral I've done 301 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: a lot of different things. I'd say the most consistent 302 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: thing that I basically always use if I'm putting on 303 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: a mineral or any kind of attracting, I almost always 304 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: have a trophy rock out there. Um. You know, lots 305 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: of times I'll try other things along with it. Um. 306 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: So I've used like a number of different attractants, like 307 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: BB Squared from Big and j um and they have 308 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: They've got a mineral product too, I cannot I think 309 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: it's called meltdown or something like that. I think it is, 310 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: so I've I've used that in the past. I've used 311 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: their their attractant, which is like a grain based attracting 312 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: with some other things in it. Um. Oh gosh, what 313 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: else have I tried? You know? I've tried something like 314 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: the Evolved. I think it's like Joe black Magic or 315 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: deer cane or deer cocaine or stuff like that. I've 316 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: I've kind of kind of at a convenience. Whenever I'm 317 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: like down in some different state where I'm going to 318 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: use this, I don't have anything with me. I'll just 319 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: grab whatever is at Walmart or wherever. Um. But but 320 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: almost always I've got a trophy rock out there. Like 321 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: in Ohio, we um, we just put out our trail 322 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: cameras down there, Oh, I don't know, a couple of 323 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: weeks ago, and we got some trophy rocks, and we 324 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: got some corn. I think, you know, this year, we 325 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: didn't have corn. Usually put out corn and then a 326 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: trophy rock. The corn kind of gets them into the 327 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: area and then they continue coming to the mineral after that. Um, 328 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: but we had I don't think. I don't think we 329 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: were able to find corn. So we just got some 330 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: like I don't know, oh gosh, some apple mix. I 331 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 1: can't tell you. There's so many. It's kind of ridiculous 332 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: how many different things there are out Do you remember 333 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: back in the day. I don't know if it was 334 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: something called deer kane, but it was an actual mineral 335 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: that had addictive properties to it, or at least they 336 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: said it was. Well, I actually think it did, and 337 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 1: they had to stop the manufacturing it because it was 338 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: it really wasn't helping the deer's health. It was just 339 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: getting basically it was like cocaine, and it literally was 340 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: making them skinnier because they were forgetting to eat. They 341 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: were just going back to these mineral stations over and 342 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: over and over again, for real, for real, dead serious. Wow, 343 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: I'll have to I'll have to do some more research 344 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: on that, but I'm pretty sure there was I don't 345 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: know if it was dear cane or that. I think 346 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: that's still around cane or deer cocaine or something like that. Yeah, 347 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have all the information on 348 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: that right now, but I'm pretty sure there was a 349 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: manufacturer out there that had to uh maybe I'm wrong, 350 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: but a manufacturer that had to change the recipe because 351 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: there was addictive properties in the actual um I guess recipe. 352 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: That's crazy. Just imagine just imagine that bait pile, you know, 353 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: just you get your deer hooked on drugs and then 354 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: you put put it out there and they come right 355 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: to you no matter what not because they're afraid because 356 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: they're jones in that's talk. I think we have some 357 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: ethical issues came to that. I think there's be some 358 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: serious questions, oh man. But yeah, lots of interesting things 359 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: you can choose from from a mineral standpoint, that's for sure. 360 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: There's no shortage of attractings and stuff like that. And 361 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: I think I think both of us are kind of 362 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: like this. Neither one of us are really too big 363 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: on actually using that kind of stuff for hunting. I 364 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: don't think you really do much to well, you can't 365 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: it in Iowa. You can't have bait piles or mineral 366 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: stations within So all of my mineral stations are kind 367 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: of planned out in an area that you know is 368 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's not in the area 369 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: of where I'm hunting, but it can't be in a 370 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: direct line of like a major trail or within a 371 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: certain distance of UM because in Iowa it's a judgment 372 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: call on the d NR officer if he wants to 373 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: wants to bust you. Where In Nebraska, I think it's 374 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: anything within two hundred yards is illegal, but anything outside 375 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: of that is perfectly legal. So in Iowa it's a 376 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: judgment call. And I think I told you the story 377 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: before about UM the guy I was hunting, and there 378 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: was a cattle mineral lick in the middle of this field, 379 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: just a salt block that the cows would go to. 380 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: And uh, the guy tried because he knew there was 381 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: a big deer in there and I was hunting it 382 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: and he wanted to hunt it. He he called the 383 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: d n R officer on me to tell me, hey, 384 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: this guy he's hunting over a bait pile or something 385 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: like that. So the d n RC officer came out. 386 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: I had to show this was years ago, and I 387 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: just showing my tree stand and then he followed the 388 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: trail to this this cattle pasture and sure enough, like 389 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: seventy five yards into this cattle pasture and this was 390 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: a block. Pretty pretty typical in any you know, cattle operation. 391 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: There's salt blocks out there. And he's like, yeah, uh, 392 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: you're it's probably gonna be best if you just move 393 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: your trees. And he was pretty he was real cool 394 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: with me. You know, It's like in Iowa and in 395 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: some of these farms, if you're especially if you're hunting 396 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: an active farm, there's mineral in the ground. Whether it's 397 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: horses or cattle or pigs or whatever you're raising, there's 398 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: there's something out there. For supplemental feed for for those 399 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: for livestock that you know, deer used as well. Yeah, 400 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: it seems way too subjective, and because that's a similar 401 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: situation to that came up with the Joe the Joe 402 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: Franz buck. Did you hear about that? Oh? Yeah, So 403 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: so for those not familiar, right, this guy killed this 404 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: huge buck on his property that was I think the 405 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: biggest buck ever filmed, ever killed on film at the time. 406 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: This was maybe three years ago, and you know, so 407 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: he had it all documented and he was, you know, 408 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: really meticulous because he knew this was gonna be like 409 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: a world class buck. Killed the buck. It was all 410 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: great and dandy. And then some jealous neighbor or something 411 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: like that reported that this guy had you know, mineral 412 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: sites or something on his farm illegally, and it was 413 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: that kind of situation where he had I think some 414 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: mineral out on a different part of the farm. But 415 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: you know it was not you know, it hadn't been 416 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: either properly covered or I don't remember the exact details, 417 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: So don't quote me on this. This is just you 418 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: know what I remember hearsay. Um, But there's this whole 419 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: big thing about whether or not you know, what he 420 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: was doing was within the law or outside of the law, 421 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: and he you know, went into it thinking he was 422 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: completely fine. And long story short, after the year or two, 423 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: after kind of getting dragged to the mud, he was 424 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: exonerated and and you know, got out of it because 425 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: you know, they found that he wasn't doing this on purpose, 426 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: and then whatever it was, if it was the distance 427 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,719 Speaker 1: between where he was hunting to where those those mineral 428 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: sites were, or you know, if they're covered up, I 429 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: think you have to cover mineral sites if they're close, 430 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: or I don't know. I've talked to someone Abudds in Iowa, 431 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: and it sounds like it's just kind of a messy, 432 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: subjective way of going about it, and I think, you know, 433 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: it probably makes sense that they should try to clarify 434 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: some of that stuff because well meaning people could be 435 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, breaking the law when they're just simply trying 436 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: to do the best that can given the very murky laws, right. 437 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: And that's what the d n R officer told me. 438 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: On a second occasion where I went, I got a 439 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: new property and there was mineral sites, some from cattle 440 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: and some from actual other hunters, and that the hunters 441 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: don't hunt there anymore. And uh, I said, Okay, I 442 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: want to hunt in this area, but there's a mineral site. 443 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: What do I have to do? And he's like, well, 444 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: you gotta put rock in it, and you have to 445 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: cover it up with dirt. So like put some gravel 446 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: in it and covered up with dirt. And I'm like okay, 447 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: And then he's like, well and then if we see it, 448 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, we'll test the soil to see if there's 449 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: a high level of sodium or other minerals in it, 450 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: and if we if we come back and that's positive, 451 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: I'm just like, hey, how about a law that says 452 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: no mineral sits within two yds of your tree stands? 453 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: Wouldn't that wouldn't that just be or or if there's 454 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: a mineral station that is one year old or something 455 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: like that, you have to do this to it and 456 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: then it's considered clear. You know, it's it's not our 457 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: mineral site anymore. I I just it just feels I 458 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: just feel it should be much simpler. Certains that it 459 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: would be easier, not only from a hunter standpoint, but 460 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: also from a conservation officer standpoints, try and force the law. 461 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: It would probably make their jobs a lot easier if 462 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: there was some clarity around that too, right right, that's frustrating. 463 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: So I just kind of, you know, I put my 464 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: mineral stations out, and then I just avoid them, uh, 465 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, avoid setting up near them when it comes 466 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: to uh, when it comes to hunting season. So food 467 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: plot or not food plots. You got your mineral stuff out. 468 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: Cameras you said, you got eleven cameras you're putting out. 469 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: I have to do a little camera work, like I said, 470 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: I already put my cameras down Ohio. But I'm leaving 471 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: for my western trip here in just a few days 472 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: for two months, and you're you're stopping to get me 473 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: right on your way out there, right right? It was 474 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: gonna get you. Me and my wife Kylie, and the 475 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: three of us were gonna stay in a little cottage together. 476 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: And that's the plan, right right. That's I mean, I'll 477 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: clean up after myself. You won't know him there. I'll 478 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: bring my tent and I'll just stay in the mountain. 479 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: I'll bring my tent and my frog togs and and 480 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: your plastic bags, plastic bags, and I'm set and you 481 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: will be good to go. Oh man, Well, yes, we 482 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: so we we have to. I'm trying to get a 483 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 1: bunch of work done before I take off for that 484 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: because that's like a two month period where I can't 485 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: do any of my typical deer work. So I have 486 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: been scurrying around doing some stuff here in Michigan, and uh, 487 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: probably tomorrow or the next day, I've got to go 488 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: and put a couple of cameras out. Um. You know, 489 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot I can do here since 490 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: I've been gone for two months, but I'll have them 491 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: out there on some typical feeding areas. It's beans on 492 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: one of my main farms, so I know we're some 493 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: deer typically going to be coming out into the beans. 494 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: So hopefully it gets some a few summer picks in 495 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: June July, so when I come back, they'll be something 496 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: to look at. Um. You know, I did that last year, 497 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: and it was kind of you know, I didn't have 498 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: super high hopes of what I might get, since I 499 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: was setting cameras in May and coming back two months later. 500 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: But I had pictures of the buck I end up 501 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: killing last year, so that worked out. Um, So I 502 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: gotta do that. But the big thing I'm working on 503 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: it's food plot stuff. Um So I've got well, let's 504 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: see here, two food plots on my main Michigan property 505 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: that I've been just trying to get prepped as best 506 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: as possible for me to work on them when I 507 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: come back in August. So I had to spray them. 508 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: So like last week, I was out there spraying, and 509 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: we've just been having such a wet spring that's been 510 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: hard to even get into the fields of my four 511 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: wheeler to get out there at all. Um So that's 512 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: been a challenge. But I finally was able to get 513 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: out there and spray everything. So everything is killed down. 514 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: But now what I gotta do is on my front 515 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: food plot. It is. And I can't remember if we 516 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: talked about this or not, but have we ever talked 517 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: about this food plot up in front that is where 518 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: I killed my buck last year? We ever talked about 519 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: what I did there in Michigan? Yeah? Yeah, So that 520 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: little uh, that little triangle, yeah yeah, yeah. It's kind 521 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: of like a pie and it's separated into three small 522 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: pieces um of different stuff and you know it's a 523 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: ah a split sort of between brassicas and oats. Every year, 524 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: I kind of flip flop them. Well right now, what 525 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: I'm trying to do is I'm trying to plant a 526 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: screen around the outside of it. You know, two years 527 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: ago when I first made this new section, the issue 528 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: with it is that's out in the wide open right 529 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: adjacent to these crop fields. So the first year, I 530 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: planted a mixture of Egyptian wheat and sorghum, which are 531 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: like really tall um plants kind of like corn sort of, 532 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: and then grew up like ten twelve feet tall. So 533 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: I planted a screen of that around the outside of that, 534 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: like outer crust of the pie sort of um. But 535 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: then last year I wasn't able to plant it because 536 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: the growth from the year before were so thick in 537 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: that area. I couldn't disc it up with my little 538 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: a t V disc. But luckily it was a corn year, 539 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: so there was corn surrounding most of the plots. I 540 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: kind of get away with it. But this year it's 541 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: gonna be beans again, so I want to make sure 542 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: I've got that cover around the outside, so I'm trying 543 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: to get that in. So tomorrow I'm gonna go out 544 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: there and just disc away with my little A TV 545 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: disc for probably four hours trying to get this thing 546 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: tilled up, and then I'm gonna try and get all 547 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: that planet so that it'll be in the ground for 548 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: this rain that we have hitting on Thursday, I think, 549 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: and then it will have two months to grow before 550 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: I come back, and then hopefully that's grown up well 551 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: by the time I get back in August, and then 552 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: I'll be able to start working on actually planning the 553 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: food and then um, it'll be good to go. But 554 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: that really, that front food plot has been a really 555 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: good addition to this property. Like I can't remember if 556 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: I explained how this section of the farm works, but 557 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: there had been almost no deer activity towards the far 558 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: western side of the property at all in the past 559 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: because it's kind of wide open. There was a little 560 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: section timber that came out, but overall it is pretty 561 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: wide open. And then on the neighbors he had some 562 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: good thick cover, but of course I couldn't hunt the neighbors. Um, 563 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: so I was hunting in the far eastern side of 564 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: this farm, never really getting to use the west side. 565 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: And then once I add this this food plot and 566 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: the added cover on the outside and make those deer 567 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: feel comfortable moving out there, and then finally all of 568 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: a sudden, lots of daytime activity, lots of mature buck activity. 569 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: Now it's like one of the best spots in the 570 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: whole farm. Um. So that's been kind of cool. You know. 571 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: A great example of that was last year, that opening 572 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: day hunt. So I'm just I'm excited because this it's 573 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: a fun spot to hunt. You see a ton of 574 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: deer and my early season stand there where I killed 575 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: that buck from last year is one of those stands 576 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: you can't hunt a lot because you you're gonna spook 577 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: deer coming out of it, and almost inevitably, luckily I 578 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: can you know, if someone, if I've got a friend 579 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: or my wife is willing, it's not too far from 580 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: my house, so she can actually drive a forewarder and 581 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: she can drive that forewarner all the way to that 582 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: food plot and spook deer way. Um. So that's one 583 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: way to get out of there without spooking deer. But 584 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: otherwise it's it's right there on the food So it's 585 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: kind of one of those hunts that I only go 586 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: in there if I really think I'm gonna kill something 587 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: and just do it a couple of times. But if 588 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: you hunt this tree, you've got this food plot surrounding you. 589 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: But then you can see in this big, thick, nasty 590 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: betting year. That's all. I don't even know what kind 591 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: of shrubs or multi floor rose or brush, I don't 592 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: know what it's low. It's not big trees. It's some 593 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: kind of like early successional growth that's just thick and 594 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: nasty and all sorts of tall grasses and stuff. The 595 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: deer love it. But you just can't see anything in 596 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: there unless you're way up high right sort of on 597 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: the edge. And that's kind of where I'm at. So 598 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: I can look over this whole betting here and see 599 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: deer hundreds of yards away that think they're completely you know, 600 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: invisible in this thick stuff. But I can kind of 601 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: watch them from above. So it's it's a cool place. 602 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: I'm I'm getting kind of excited just talking about it. So, yeah, 603 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: it gets me excited. I have. Yeah, So I am 604 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: in the process. You know, I got my food plot 605 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: coming up to right, So, um, I have to remove 606 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: a fence and spray this entire area. And UM, I 607 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: think this area is bigger than what I initially thought. 608 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: So am I I'm gonna ask you a question now, 609 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: and aside from brassicas for you know, like after that 610 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: first frost and then UM and then we talked about oats. 611 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you might recommend for me 612 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: as far as uh, you know, a seed is concerned 613 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: that they might come to somewhere around that mid to 614 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: late October period. Well, I think the big thing comes 615 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: down to how you're going to try to get the 616 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: plot in the ground. So I mean, you know, like 617 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: we talked about with Craig a couple of weeks ago, 618 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: if you're not gonna have any equipment to disk up 619 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: the ground at all, right, then you're gonna have to 620 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: use a really small seed like Nebraska or a clover. 621 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: Probably they have small seeds to UM. The tricky thing 622 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: with clovers, at least at least that I've um experienced, 623 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: is that they're a little hard to establish that first 624 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: year UM at least perennial clovers, like if you plant 625 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: something in the summer or late summer, typically you're gonna 626 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: plant either early spring or late summer. Most people want 627 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: to avoid planting during the middle of the summer because 628 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: that's usually really hot and dry. You want to plan 629 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: on either end of it where there's more moisture um. 630 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: So with perennial clovers, again, this is just what I've seen, 631 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of tough to get a good stand of it. 632 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: If you plant in August or late that year, you'll 633 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: get a little coming in, but it's just never really thick. 634 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: Or maybe I'm just doing it wrong, but I haven't 635 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: had great success that first year. It's the next spring 636 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: when it typically tends to really pop and get going good. 637 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: So that's why I've always liked stuff like oats or brassicas, 638 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: which which are annuals, and I really seem to get 639 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: really good, really good early growth. So the issue with 640 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: oats though, oats and a lot of other grains is 641 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: that their big seeds and you need to get them 642 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: under the dirt. So with abraska seed or clover seed, 643 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: you really just need that seed just pressed in the ground, 644 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, just on top of the soil and having 645 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: some sort of soil to seed contact. But with an 646 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: oat seed or something like that, you actually have to 647 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: have it like a half inch or more under the dirt. 648 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: So if you if you can't get any kind of 649 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: way to cultivate that, so I'll plow it up, disc 650 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: it up. Rode a till. If there's nothing like that, 651 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: then you're gonna be probably stuck with something like Abraska 652 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: or some of the clovers. If you find an annual clover, 653 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: I think that would come in stronger. Um, and that 654 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: will definitely be something that's attractive in September, October, I 655 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: mean all through October, even November, they'll be hitting clovers. 656 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: It's not until after you get some really hard, nasty 657 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: frosts that that will start to kind of go down 658 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: in attraction. Um. But it's hard to go wrong with that. See, 659 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: my buddy's got a Cabota tractor now, uh, he bought 660 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: it and it's got He uses it to mow his property. 661 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: So but it has a three point hitch on the 662 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: back with a power takeoff. So now I looked and 663 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: I can rent a tiller that can hook up to that. Nice. 664 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: So now that's opened up some new doors for me. Yeah, 665 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: that would be that would be really nice thing, especial 666 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: bigger than you thought. Yeah. So I have the ability 667 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: now to rent that, and it's gonna cost me like 668 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 1: a hundred bucks for a day, two d bucks maybe 669 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: for a day, And uh, I can I in a 670 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: day a day or two. I can till up a 671 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: really good area with that, especially if I prepare for 672 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: it and kill the grass ahead of it. Um, I think, 673 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: you know, And now with that being said, I think 674 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: I can expand into a little bit and not have 675 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: to wait for a first frost to hunt that food plot. Nice. Yeah, 676 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: that would be a really good deal. Yeah, I think. 677 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: And if if that's the case, then you definitely have 678 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: more options then. I think. You know, some type of 679 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: grain like oats is a great option. And you know 680 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 1: where the thing with oats is that they are probably 681 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: the most um attractive of the grains um. But some 682 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: say they're the least cold hardy. But I haven't experienced 683 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: that so much that the oats. I've used the dear 684 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: love and they seem to feed on them definitely more 685 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: before the frost. But I still get my oats picked 686 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: on and eating even into late November December sometimes, So 687 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: you know that that's a combo. I just really like 688 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: if there's not some really good reason, like issues whe 689 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 1: their soil or something that oats and Braska's won't work 690 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: and maybe some clover thrown in. Um, that's the way 691 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: I always like to go. It's just you're gonna get 692 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: good attraction throughout the whole season, um at least in 693 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: this part of the country that you and mirror in. 694 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: And if you have a way to get that stuff 695 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: in the ground, you know, you're just gonna want to 696 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 1: disk it all up and then you want to then 697 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: pack it all down again because you want that ground 698 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: to be um relatively packed and not super super lowy 699 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: broadcast your seed. And then if you're doing oats or 700 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: a grain like that, then you've got to kind of 701 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: disk it back into soil a little bit. If you're 702 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: doing brass because they're clover, you just need to like 703 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 1: almost run it over with your a TV tires or 704 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: if you know there's or your tractor tires or whatever, 705 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: just to press it in. And that's that's all I 706 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: gotta do. So the next question I have for you 707 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: is shade. This is it's an old garden, but there 708 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 1: is it is in shade quite a bit of the day, 709 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: not all day, like when the sun is high in 710 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: the sky. Probably from that I'd say somewhere about ten 711 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: thirty eleven o'clock till two it's gonna be in this 712 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: in the in the sun. But then after that it's 713 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: pretty much shade all day with you know, breaking sunlight 714 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: coming in and out of it. Yeah, I don't think 715 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: any of those things would have issues with that amount 716 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: of sunlight, although, like I'm saying that as an assumption, 717 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: not based on like expertise on that particular question. I 718 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: planted all of those things that just mentioned in situations 719 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: of partial shade, partial sun and they've all done fine. 720 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: So based on that, I'd say you're probably okay perfect. 721 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, man, you just gotta figure out, you know, 722 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: probably at this point now it's almost June. What are 723 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: you thinking about planning in August then? Or yeah, it's 724 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: gonna be August whatever, whatever I do that that will 725 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 1: give me time to kill the grass, take the fence out, 726 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: trim back some overhanging branches um, and then plant my 727 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: seed and then on this fence is part of the 728 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: fence that the gate was hanging on was two giant 729 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: um wooden posts. Okay, so I think I'm going to 730 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 1: turn that into a vertical rub. So I'm gonna walk 731 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,760 Speaker 1: into the timber, find an old rub, and then cut 732 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: cut it down. Do you mean a horror zonald rub? Yeah? Yeah, 733 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: she's she's me a horizontal rub based on that. Have 734 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: we ever talked about that? I don't think we have, no, 735 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: not really. So do you want to talk about where 736 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: this idea came from? I'm assuming did did this idea 737 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: come from? Ted Miller? There's a guy his names Ted 738 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: Miller and uh he he's he's a white tail whisper 739 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: like some of the other guys that we know, and 740 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: he he uh he. I don't know if he necessarily 741 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: he just loves to document dear and get in their bedroom. 742 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: And I don't even know if he if it's all 743 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: about the kill for him as much as it is, 744 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, just observing this. So he's come up with 745 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: this idea and I don't know if it if it 746 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: was him, but he's the first person that I've ever 747 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: seen use it where he takes uh, some kind of 748 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: wood like a cedar tree, and he marks it up 749 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: with a knife or a saw or something like that 750 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 1: and hangs it vertically in between two other posts trees 751 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: horizontally horizontally and uh and the deer and he's got 752 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: some footage. The deer come right to it and they 753 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: use it as a scent post. And he sets his 754 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: tree stand up next to it, and he has some 755 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: crazy footage of of that. So yeah, is it does 756 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: sound like kind of bizarre, like you don't see horizontal 757 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: rubs in the wild, but they use this thing. Like 758 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: there's so much video of the shows. It's pretty crazy. 759 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: And like you said, it's for for whatever reason, they 760 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: just seemed really drawn to it. And he's got some 761 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: sweet footage, trail camera footage, actual hunt footage. So have 762 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: you have you ever actually tried it yourself before or 763 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: is this gonna be the first time. This will be 764 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: the first time I've tried something similar, But it was 765 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: real fast, not planned out. I cut down when I 766 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 1: was setting up a tree stand in July this last year. 767 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: I I cut down an old, old rub and just 768 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: set it basically between the why of two young tree 769 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 1: east and uh, I don't know if anything touched it 770 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: or not. So A, you're gonna put a camera on 771 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: this one. Oh yeah, it's gonna be right in the 772 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: middle of the food plot. Nice. I'm interested to see 773 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: how that goes for you. That'll be yeah, me too. 774 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be different if and if it doesn't work, 775 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't work. But the Drearies also do something with 776 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. Some company sponsors them. It's like a 777 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: fake tree or something like that that they put right 778 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: in the middle of some of their food plots and 779 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: the deer go right to it. So the same kind 780 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: of principle. Yep, yep, they I know, they they actually 781 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: helped create that. It's called the tree coy is what 782 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: they're calling. That's like a fake tree. But I mean 783 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: it came from an idea that a lot of people 784 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: have used in the past, where you know, similar to 785 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: what you're talking about making a fake rub, that idea 786 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: that they're using is making a fake scraping tree scrape branch. 787 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: So you you know, I've done this in the past. 788 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 1: You cut down a tree and it has a branch 789 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 1: or two about at the height that a typical scrape 790 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: branch looking brand should be on a scrape. Put that 791 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: in your food plot or your field or whatever, open 792 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: up a scrape underneath it, you know, kick out some 793 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: dirt underneath the licking branch, you know, crack with a 794 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: couple of the branches, hang down a couple of branches, 795 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: and then you know, bury that tree in the ground 796 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 1: so it's stable. And then yeah, I mean I've seen 797 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: it happen many times. Deer will be you know, as 798 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, as we've all seen, if there's a scrape 799 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: in the area, bux are typically gonna want to pass 800 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 1: by and check it out, give it a sniff, maybe 801 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: market themselves. So when that's out in the open, that's 802 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: gonna be one of the first things that deer are 803 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: typically attracted to. UM. And so that is a really 804 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 1: good way to kind of entice deer to move to 805 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: a certain location if you're hunting an open area. So 806 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm actually starting to try to do that now, and 807 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: like all my food plots or if I'm even hunting 808 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: an open field during the hunting season, and you know, 809 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: it's for whatever reason, I want to be there, but 810 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 1: I'm just not sure I'm gonna get enough deer close. 811 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: This is a great way to kind of influence them 812 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: to come a little bit closer, or to give you 813 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: that stopped broadside shot or different stuff like that. So 814 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: I put one in one of my food plus last year, 815 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: and unfortunately, um, when I went in there hunted the 816 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: first time, it had been knocked over. UM, So I 817 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: didn't do a good enough job of of getting into 818 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: the ground. But I'm gonna do it again this year 819 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: across a couple of spots. Um Man, I think pretty cool. 820 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a solid concept. So and I 821 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: have and in the same area. The deer in this 822 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: they they don't walk through this little garden area. They 823 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: walk on the would be the north side of it, 824 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: just in the timber. So anything to help you know, 825 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: that food plot once it's done, will help change that. 826 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: But anything to help pull them out just a little bit. 827 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: And what that's gonna do is I think I talked 828 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: a little bit about this particular property and how the 829 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: wind shifts so bad. But the further up I get 830 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: from that creek bottom, the less the wind shifts. So 831 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: if I can pull the deer out, not only with 832 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: the food plot and um maybe that horizontal rub, then 833 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: I can I can play the win just a little 834 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,359 Speaker 1: bit better. Yeah, this is one of my favorite things 835 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: about like having a property where you can do some 836 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,359 Speaker 1: habitat work is just like the chess match of it. 837 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I love about hunting in general, 838 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: right is trying to figure out, you know, the right 839 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: place to be, understanding the deer and making the right 840 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 1: move and you know, making all these slight adjustments, and 841 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 1: with habitat improvements, it's sort of a slight alteration of 842 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: that where you can now make moves that might influence 843 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: where the deer go. And I know some people claim 844 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: they don't like that. Some people prefer to just hunt 845 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: what the deer and naturally doing, and they look down 846 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: on people that would use food plots or something. But 847 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 1: for me, you know, and there's a different line for everyone, 848 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,760 Speaker 1: I guess you know, right, some people you know feel 849 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,280 Speaker 1: the same way about bait. I don't necessarily like using bait. Um, 850 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 1: but I'm okay using food plots. So maybe I'm just 851 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,760 Speaker 1: like them. I don't know. But um, there's something pretty 852 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,799 Speaker 1: interesting and fascinating about being able to make an improvement 853 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: which is a a net positive for wildlife in general, 854 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 1: but then also see how that influences a deer movement. Um, 855 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,360 Speaker 1: that's it's super fun when you actually do something hoping 856 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: that deer will, you know, behave an X way and 857 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,359 Speaker 1: then be out there hunting and watch them do that 858 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: because of the thing you put in there, the change 859 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 1: you made. Um, that's that's pretty cool. So I think 860 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna get a kick out of trying that and 861 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: seeing how it might change that property. Um, you know, 862 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: like the food plot I was talking about how I 863 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 1: kind of completely changed how this one Michigan property hunts 864 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: because of that project. That was kind of exactly what 865 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: I was hoping would happen. And I got fortunate that 866 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: they they react in the way I was hoping they wouldn't. 867 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: But it's fun to experiment with That's for sure. I 868 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: could fail horribly too, So there's always that. There's definitely that. Now, 869 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: are you doing any tree stand stuff this summer? Are 870 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,760 Speaker 1: you making any moves or do you feel well set? 871 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: You know obviously they I'm gonna go. I'm to put 872 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 1: stands in my historically good ruck cruising spots next to 873 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: the betting areas. I have three stand locations that I 874 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: need to alter. And what I mean by that is 875 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: moved to a different tree in that same area, but 876 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, basically micromanaged that tree stand location. Um, and uh, 877 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: get to where the wind is just not right but 878 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: the wind is just right. Um. And also let's see 879 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 1: one to to stand locations where I'm I'm trying to 880 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,080 Speaker 1: play with different access routes and one is god, I 881 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: I it kind of clicked this last year where I'm 882 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 1: driving all the way back to the farm and I'm 883 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,840 Speaker 1: parking in where this horse pasture is, and I hunted 884 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 1: on a south wind. Well even though the I'm in 885 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: my truck, I think I'm spooking some deer coming in 886 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: from the east, and I am going to now try 887 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 1: to come in from the west. The first thing I 888 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,839 Speaker 1: have to do is to see what the rules are 889 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: for waterways and if they are in fact public domain, 890 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm going to park 891 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 1: on road and walk a creek all the way to 892 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: the backside of this property, which is about the same 893 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: walk that I would be taking if I parked from 894 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: my truck. Um. But I'm just trying to figure out 895 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,759 Speaker 1: how what. First, I gotta find out what that rule is. 896 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: And then basically, if the water is ever high, I'm 897 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 1: screwed getting in. I'd have to go in through the 898 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,839 Speaker 1: regular way. But I have a feeling that the way 899 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,480 Speaker 1: i'm the way this property sits. And you've you've shed hunted. 900 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you shed hunted. Yeah you did. 901 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,960 Speaker 1: You shed hunted the way back portion of it with 902 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: me that one day where we went on that really 903 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:56,280 Speaker 1: long giant walk and I think your buddy was there too, Corey. 904 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: That a couple of those. Yeah, But was it where 905 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: I found that shed back in that pasture in the back? 906 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 1: I think last day I found a nice shed laying 907 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,240 Speaker 1: out on the grass. Oh no, that's a different property. 908 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,279 Speaker 1: But anyway, it goes down to a creek and then 909 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: it rises up. There's some there's some egg around down there, 910 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,759 Speaker 1: but it floods a lot, so it's not always going 911 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 1: to be there. There's some years where it's just like weeds. 912 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: But then it comes up to a and the the 913 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 1: timber and the timbers on on a ridge, and then 914 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,720 Speaker 1: it goes up to the horse pasture where it gets flatten. 915 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,280 Speaker 1: The past the horse pasture where I drive is egg field, 916 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: so I feel these deer crossing the horse pasture to 917 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,719 Speaker 1: get to these egg fields. So what I'm doing when 918 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 1: I drive through there is I'm either spooking the deer 919 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 1: coming back to bed and they're going a different route 920 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 1: to the bedding area, or picking an entire bedding area 921 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 1: all new bedding area altogether, or there I'm just you know, 922 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: I'm just blowing the entire area out. So I am 923 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: going to try to find a couple of new access 924 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,840 Speaker 1: routes for a couple of stand locations that are on 925 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: the way back part of the farm. And uh, the 926 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,880 Speaker 1: guy has told me no, I can't park on his 927 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 1: property or walk through his property. But I think if 928 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,440 Speaker 1: my memory serves me right, I can walk the creek 929 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 1: any anywhere below the high water mark is considered public. 930 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 1: So I can walk that creek bed, find some hip 931 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 1: waiters or some some bigger boots, and uh walk that 932 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,799 Speaker 1: to the backside of the farm, walk up a little embankment, 933 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 1: and then get to my tree standing that way. But 934 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,480 Speaker 1: it's just it's gonna be another trial and air type situation. 935 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: I think, what you know, I think what you just 936 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 1: described there is such an important thing for all of 937 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,000 Speaker 1: us to probably do every year, right, is to look 938 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 1: at all of our locations and then think, how can 939 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: we tweak it a little bit? You know, can we 940 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 1: improve our access or do we need to figure out 941 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,799 Speaker 1: a better way to get out, or you know, can 942 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,360 Speaker 1: we improve the cover on the tree a little bit? 943 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,240 Speaker 1: Or should I move over ten yards to the tree. Um, 944 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,840 Speaker 1: it's pretty easy every year to get your usual spots, 945 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, and then every year hanger stands there and 946 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 1: just stick with that because it's easy. And I'm guilty 947 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 1: of that sometimes too, But this is the time of 948 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: year where I think it definitely makes sense to go 949 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 1: in there and rethink some stuff and think, you know, 950 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,799 Speaker 1: if I could make this a little bit better, how 951 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,879 Speaker 1: could I do that? And then go ahead and do it, 952 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,799 Speaker 1: because all those little things add up, you know, So 953 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,640 Speaker 1: to your point, access is a huge one. I read 954 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,400 Speaker 1: an article recently from Bill Winki where he was talking 955 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 1: about how a lot of hunters, you know, us included, 956 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,719 Speaker 1: many times think about choosing a stand location backwards at 957 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,399 Speaker 1: least backwards of what he would recommend. You know, most 958 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,360 Speaker 1: of us go into a property and we look for sign, 959 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,960 Speaker 1: or we look for funnel or whatever. When we find 960 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,879 Speaker 1: that great sign or that great spot, then we say, okay, 961 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 1: where's a good tree near this sign? And then we 962 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,479 Speaker 1: find that tree. And then once we find our tree 963 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: near the sign, then we're like, okay, now where do 964 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 1: I walk to get out of here? He was saying, 965 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,920 Speaker 1: the smartest thing to do should be go about the 966 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,880 Speaker 1: other way entirely, think about where are my best access 967 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,959 Speaker 1: routes and exit routes in and out of this farm. 968 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 1: So let's say, hypothetically, in your case, Okay, there's this 969 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,359 Speaker 1: creek that runs through the center of the farm, and 970 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,319 Speaker 1: then take that creek all the way along until you 971 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: find a suitable tree and suitable spot alongside that access route. 972 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 1: And that that's the most important thing, to be able 973 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: to get in and out without spooking deer. If you 974 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 1: can get in and out without spooking deer, you'll probably 975 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,239 Speaker 1: have more success versus you know, while hunting maybe B 976 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,400 Speaker 1: plus sign versus hunting a plus sign, but spooking all 977 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 1: the deer coming in or coming out, Um, that's an 978 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 1: interesting thing. Instead, I've been trying to kind of think 979 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 1: about that a little bit more. Is just if you 980 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: start prioritizing entry and exit over other things, it might 981 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: end up having a kind of a spill over effect 982 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: and everything else. Right, and especially early in late season 983 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,320 Speaker 1: when the deer are on their bed to feed patterns 984 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:58,239 Speaker 1: that the access is so important. I mean, I can't 985 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: it's hard to put into words how portnant it is. 986 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,719 Speaker 1: You know, are the ruts different. I mean you can 987 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 1: walk into you really, I mean expect except if you're 988 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,840 Speaker 1: hunting a betting area. But if you're like in a 989 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 1: pinch point, you can have a wrong wind and walking 990 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,000 Speaker 1: in as far as access is concerned, and then still 991 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,800 Speaker 1: make it to the stand and have successful hunts because 992 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,080 Speaker 1: it's a cruising area. But early season, if your accesses 993 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,240 Speaker 1: or if your um access is wrong and your wind 994 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,080 Speaker 1: is blowing into basically a deer waiting for you to 995 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:35,439 Speaker 1: ruin it, then it's screwed, not only for that particular hunt, 996 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,799 Speaker 1: but depending on what the pressure is for future hunts. Right, 997 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,040 Speaker 1: and there's a domino effect. Yeah, that's that's a that's 998 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,080 Speaker 1: such a huge thing. And I've been trying to tweak 999 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,560 Speaker 1: that a little bit, just adjusting you know, either you know, 1000 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,600 Speaker 1: either be just thinking about different ways to get in 1001 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 1: and out or actually manufacturing better ways to get in 1002 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,719 Speaker 1: and out, you know, like clearing new trails, or you know, 1003 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,799 Speaker 1: if you have the ability, like for example, if you 1004 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 1: have to cross the wide open fee able to get 1005 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,040 Speaker 1: in or to get out, and deer always see you. Um. 1006 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,279 Speaker 1: You know. One thing that I've done a little bit 1007 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 1: where I'm allowed to is plant. You know, like I 1008 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,240 Speaker 1: talked about that food plot screen that Egyptian wheat and sorghum. 1009 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 1: If you have permission to do this in an area, 1010 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,800 Speaker 1: um plant some of that to act as a screen 1011 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,279 Speaker 1: to exit or to get in. So use that as 1012 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,000 Speaker 1: a visual blocker. If you know that there's a section 1013 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,280 Speaker 1: you have to walk through, the deer sometimes see you, 1014 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,879 Speaker 1: you know, plant ahead in you know, May or June, 1015 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,719 Speaker 1: plant a wall of that that. You know, simple things 1016 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,279 Speaker 1: like that could be really beneficial. It takes a little 1017 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,360 Speaker 1: extra work, but if it means you can get in 1018 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,960 Speaker 1: and out of the tree stand without spooking deer man, 1019 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,240 Speaker 1: you can be in a great situation. I mean, finding 1020 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 1: those spots that offer bulletproof access and entry and exit. 1021 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,880 Speaker 1: I mean that's that is a really really great thing. 1022 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,319 Speaker 1: If you can find spots like that, you can get 1023 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 1: away with a lot more hunts than usual. So when 1024 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,080 Speaker 1: it comes to the pressure that we always talk about, 1025 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,560 Speaker 1: you can get away with putting a little bit more 1026 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 1: pressure on deer if you can eliminate the entry and 1027 00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,160 Speaker 1: exit pressure. So I try big thing to do this time. 1028 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,799 Speaker 1: You're another thing I'm doing, Um I just post an 1029 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,040 Speaker 1: article about it was evaluating the cover in some of 1030 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 1: the trees that I've got tree stands in. So I 1031 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 1: try to go in this time of year and start, 1032 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, okay, looking at spots. Maybe this is the 1033 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,759 Speaker 1: tree I really want to be in, but there's not 1034 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,839 Speaker 1: as much cover as I like. I'll try to go 1035 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,000 Speaker 1: in there and attach branches to the tree, like with 1036 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,600 Speaker 1: zip tize or rope or something like that, to add 1037 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 1: cover so that I can blend into that tree a 1038 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,719 Speaker 1: little better. If there's not naturally there, I like to 1039 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,000 Speaker 1: kind of manufacture that. That's something that I'm starting that 1040 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,440 Speaker 1: I've been doing recently here um on some of my 1041 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,480 Speaker 1: Michigan spots, and a couple of weeks ago, I was 1042 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,560 Speaker 1: checking out my Ohio tree stands to see if there's 1043 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 1: anywhere I need to add stuff. That's a really easy 1044 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,799 Speaker 1: way to be able to just make that stand a 1045 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,000 Speaker 1: little better. I think any opportunity you have to make 1046 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,440 Speaker 1: things a little bit better at this time of the 1047 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,520 Speaker 1: year could help you a ton come the fault because 1048 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,400 Speaker 1: if you just so happened be hunting that tree, and 1049 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,839 Speaker 1: in past years maybe deer might have seen you. If 1050 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,359 Speaker 1: this year you took the extra fifteen minutes to hang 1051 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of branches all around it, and now you 1052 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 1: blend in better, or your movement isn't as obvious, you know, 1053 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,880 Speaker 1: that makes the difference between an empty you know, an 1054 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 1: empty truck bed or a full one. I tell you, 1055 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,960 Speaker 1: let me tell you something about zip ties. And you 1056 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,880 Speaker 1: wrote that article about you know, adding some cover into 1057 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,040 Speaker 1: a tree stamp location by zip tying trees too, you know, 1058 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 1: up there by the tree. The other thing you can do, 1059 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,279 Speaker 1: and this is a free tip from yours truly is 1060 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,920 Speaker 1: have we been paying for the other tips? No? Not really? Uh, 1061 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,239 Speaker 1: but to continue, But if there's a fence right in 1062 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:36,120 Speaker 1: your and these deer maybe crossing a fence in a 1063 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: particular area and you don't want them to cross there, 1064 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,680 Speaker 1: take that zip tie, zip tie that um top fence, 1065 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 1: that line of bob wire or whatever it is, that 1066 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,520 Speaker 1: wire and zip tie it down to the next one 1067 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: and that creates a little bit lower of an area 1068 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,680 Speaker 1: to where they could cross. And I did this on 1069 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,479 Speaker 1: an old piece of property where they were crossing on 1070 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,480 Speaker 1: one fence quarter. So what I did was I fixed 1071 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,560 Speaker 1: the bob wire in that one area, and then I 1072 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,080 Speaker 1: went up and I took to zip ties and I 1073 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,080 Speaker 1: zip tied the top to the middle section of the 1074 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,400 Speaker 1: bob wire and they all started crossing there. So what 1075 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:23,359 Speaker 1: I did was I just altered their pattern or their 1076 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,600 Speaker 1: movement two closer, which which is more beneficial for me. 1077 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,320 Speaker 1: The wind wasn't swirling down there. Uh, the wind was 1078 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,399 Speaker 1: blowing off the top of this ridge down to um 1079 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:38,480 Speaker 1: this valley. And uh, although no, none of my target 1080 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,680 Speaker 1: bucks were there when I was there, I have trail 1081 00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:46,280 Speaker 1: camera pictures of the my target bucks using that fence crossing. 1082 00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,839 Speaker 1: Just you know, I never connected on them. It's like cool, 1083 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,040 Speaker 1: that's definitely a good idea. I mean, deer is, when possible, 1084 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,239 Speaker 1: assuming that they feel safe, we'll take the easiest way possible, right, 1085 00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,520 Speaker 1: and so in that case, you made it easier for 1086 00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,560 Speaker 1: them across. It's it's it's a great example of those 1087 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,760 Speaker 1: small tweaks you can make that can alter movement. Another 1088 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,600 Speaker 1: thing you can do is, you know, if you've got 1089 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,960 Speaker 1: a deer, typically if they're typically traveling a trail that's 1090 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,320 Speaker 1: maybe forty yards from your tree standing. For whatever reason, 1091 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,680 Speaker 1: you're that's the right tree stand. Let's say maybe it's 1092 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,160 Speaker 1: right next to a creek and you can access it 1093 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,719 Speaker 1: really well, but most of the deer travels to a 1094 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,160 Speaker 1: little bit too far away. I know, I've actually done 1095 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,520 Speaker 1: this sum and I know a lot of guys that 1096 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,239 Speaker 1: will fall trees to block a trail and then kind 1097 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,400 Speaker 1: of angle fallen trees to make deer move fifteen yards 1098 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,200 Speaker 1: closer and kind of go around that obstacle by your 1099 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,640 Speaker 1: tree stand and then continue on their way. So there's 1100 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,560 Speaker 1: different ways you can kind of tweak the environment to 1101 00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,920 Speaker 1: get deer to move just a little bit closer, or 1102 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, to cross right here, or to come visit 1103 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,799 Speaker 1: a horizontal rub or scrape tree or something like that 1104 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,600 Speaker 1: and position themselves for a shot. I think that's really 1105 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,239 Speaker 1: one of those next level kind of things. Like you know, 1106 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,440 Speaker 1: when we're just learning new property, we're just trying to 1107 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,319 Speaker 1: figure okay, where are the deer? And then you're figuring out, okay, 1108 00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,319 Speaker 1: how can I get in and out without spooking the deer? 1109 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,719 Speaker 1: And then I think that next level is okay, how 1110 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,000 Speaker 1: can I have got this great spot that can get 1111 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,080 Speaker 1: it out of? Now that next level is like, how 1112 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,600 Speaker 1: can I just enhance this spot a little bit better, 1113 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,840 Speaker 1: whether it be any of these things we've talked about, 1114 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,200 Speaker 1: to just make it that much more enticing or to 1115 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,800 Speaker 1: provide that much better of a shot opportunity. Um. I 1116 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,479 Speaker 1: think that's like my my big piece of encouragement would 1117 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,480 Speaker 1: be if you've got a bunch of nice spots on 1118 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,920 Speaker 1: your property where you've been hunting. I'd say, look back 1119 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,800 Speaker 1: at those places, take these, you know, over these next 1120 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,960 Speaker 1: couple of weeks and months of the summer, figure out 1121 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,920 Speaker 1: what little thing can I do, what more can I 1122 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,600 Speaker 1: do to make this just a little bit better? And 1123 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,240 Speaker 1: if you do that to every one of your tree stands, 1124 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,520 Speaker 1: it can make a big difference. I think. I agree, 1125 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,240 Speaker 1: there's never you can never say good enough. I would 1126 00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,760 Speaker 1: I would say, you always have to be. You always 1127 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,600 Speaker 1: have to be. It's like chess, right, you always have 1128 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,280 Speaker 1: to be thinking about the next move. Yeah, so true. 1129 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,720 Speaker 1: And I think there's there's so many things that can 1130 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,520 Speaker 1: go wrong. And this is something we talk about all 1131 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,600 Speaker 1: the time for years. We've been talking about but there's 1132 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,320 Speaker 1: so many different variables outside of our control as deer 1133 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,160 Speaker 1: hunters that if you can add any little one of 1134 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,240 Speaker 1: those back into your favor, you should try, right, Because 1135 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,520 Speaker 1: there's there's some umpting different things that are outside of 1136 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,280 Speaker 1: our control that probably will go wrong. So you might 1137 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,600 Speaker 1: as well do whatever you can to move a couple 1138 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,280 Speaker 1: of pieces on your side. So, and and the thing 1139 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,560 Speaker 1: about it that I really like is here's something that 1140 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,120 Speaker 1: I have has kind of opened my eyes in the 1141 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,800 Speaker 1: past four or five years, and that is, don't just 1142 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:33,560 Speaker 1: think about a typical betting area or a typical travel corridor, 1143 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:38,880 Speaker 1: or you know, oh that that house is too close. 1144 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,800 Speaker 1: I'll never hunt anywhere close to that house because the 1145 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,000 Speaker 1: deer are you know, they'll get spooked by the house. 1146 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,080 Speaker 1: The deer are used to that house. I have a tree, 1147 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,720 Speaker 1: I have a couple of tree stands, or I have 1148 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,800 Speaker 1: one particular tree stand where every morning I would watch 1149 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,440 Speaker 1: the lady come and fill her coffee pot up with water. 1150 00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:02,400 Speaker 1: I could see into her kitchen window and uh, and 1151 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,200 Speaker 1: mature deer, we're coming by, you know, coming by that. 1152 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,000 Speaker 1: I got trail camera pictures of Mark Kenyon coming down 1153 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 1: that pinch point next to the house. So keep your 1154 00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 1: eyes open and don't just you know it. There's times 1155 00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,520 Speaker 1: where you got to think outside the box and be like, Okay, 1156 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,680 Speaker 1: this isn't working. I need to I need to do 1157 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,560 Speaker 1: something completely different. Yeah. I think there's so many examples 1158 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,120 Speaker 1: of that in that type of scenario, like a somewhat 1159 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,040 Speaker 1: urban scenario, or you know, when you're relatively close to 1160 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,080 Speaker 1: houses or neighborhoods or stuff like that, we really need 1161 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,960 Speaker 1: to have a whole episode about that and bring uh 1162 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:38,880 Speaker 1: someone who's got a lot of experience of that kind 1163 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,880 Speaker 1: of thing to talk about it. Because I think that 1164 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,800 Speaker 1: type of hunting is becoming more and more common, you know. 1165 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,760 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot more bow hunting happening closer neighborhoods, 1166 00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:52,680 Speaker 1: especially as development continue continues to spread out into rural areas. Um, 1167 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people hunting that way. And you 1168 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,440 Speaker 1: can kill great deer and have a lot of success 1169 00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,360 Speaker 1: in those types of areas, partly because of what you 1170 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,320 Speaker 1: just said, Because a lot of these deer become conditioned 1171 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,400 Speaker 1: to some level of human you know, exposure. If you 1172 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,680 Speaker 1: can figure out how to take advantage of that, you 1173 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,080 Speaker 1: can you can put yourself in a good position. It's funny. 1174 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,720 Speaker 1: I the first deer I ever killed was in an 1175 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,680 Speaker 1: urban situation. My parents had three and a half acres. 1176 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,520 Speaker 1: I think I probably told the story for but my 1177 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,160 Speaker 1: parents had three and a half acres behind our house 1178 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,840 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood in Michigan, And so that's where I 1179 01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,320 Speaker 1: started bow hunting. And I was hunting in a little 1180 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,880 Speaker 1: pop up ground blind at the bottom of this hill 1181 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,920 Speaker 1: behind the house, and our neighbors or some neighbors from 1182 01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,640 Speaker 1: down the way, we're walking their dog through this valley, 1183 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,280 Speaker 1: walked right past me. I got all mad, got on 1184 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,720 Speaker 1: my blind kind of yelled at him, like, you're on 1185 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,840 Speaker 1: our property, blah blah, you spooked all the deer away, 1186 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,800 Speaker 1: blah blah. And I was frustrated. And then like minutes later, 1187 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,840 Speaker 1: here comes this buck. You know, these people just walk 1188 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,120 Speaker 1: their dog right through this little three acre patch. I 1189 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,920 Speaker 1: figured that was it, and lo and behold, here he comes. 1190 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,920 Speaker 1: Because those deer were used to people walking around and 1191 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,440 Speaker 1: regular human stuff. Oh, there's definitely ways to take advantage 1192 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:07,800 Speaker 1: of that. I uh, I don't know, man, interesting stuff, right, 1193 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,760 Speaker 1: What else do you got going on? Anything else coming 1194 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,560 Speaker 1: up for you? Any other projects? Anything else in your mind? 1195 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:14,320 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to talk to you for 1196 01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,560 Speaker 1: two months, stand so I know, well you're gonna talk 1197 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,000 Speaker 1: to me. We're still going to do the Wired podcast, right, 1198 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,320 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Yeah, well of course I will be. 1199 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,960 Speaker 1: I'll be living with you, Mark, right right right right, Sorry, 1200 01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,720 Speaker 1: I forgot I don't know, man, I just I'm as always. 1201 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm excited. Checked. I checked one trail camera this or yesterday, 1202 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,720 Speaker 1: got some velvet bucks, you know, with that eight inch 1203 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,240 Speaker 1: of main eight inches of main beams. Starting to see 1204 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,520 Speaker 1: the the growth of the brow times right now, and 1205 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to Um, I'm really looking forward 1206 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,720 Speaker 1: to seeing what the trail camera, the story that trail 1207 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,720 Speaker 1: camera tells me. I'm also looking at a piece of 1208 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:03,040 Speaker 1: public ground. Um, that is one of those. It probably 1209 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,680 Speaker 1: won't be something that I hunt a lot, but it's 1210 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,640 Speaker 1: gonna be something where you know, a majority I feel 1211 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:14,840 Speaker 1: of public land hunters, they access the property from the 1212 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:19,919 Speaker 1: road to their stand location. And there where I where 1213 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,960 Speaker 1: I live, there's a big piece of public ground that 1214 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,400 Speaker 1: has a creek, that's a river that separates the two. 1215 01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,640 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna maybe try to do a canoe move 1216 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:34,040 Speaker 1: on one of these public grand lands hunts and access 1217 01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,640 Speaker 1: this public ground from the river to a tree stand location. 1218 01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:43,080 Speaker 1: Just basically it's gonna be something to do to relieve 1219 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:48,400 Speaker 1: pressure from other hunting properties, right. So it's yeah, I'm 1220 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,720 Speaker 1: not really concerned about if I'm gonna kill anything. It's 1221 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,600 Speaker 1: just something too. I'll be hunting, but I'm gonna be 1222 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,680 Speaker 1: laying off my other my other properties in there and 1223 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,520 Speaker 1: try some new things and see at work. It's funny 1224 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,600 Speaker 1: you mentioned that I. Um. Two weeks ago, I guess now. 1225 01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,480 Speaker 1: I was finishing up a magazine art clause working on 1226 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,000 Speaker 1: in which I had to interview a whole bunch of 1227 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:16,000 Speaker 1: different super serious like d I Y hunters, and um, 1228 01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,160 Speaker 1: we didn't talk about this, do we? And I don't 1229 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,040 Speaker 1: think so like something. I'm like, I feel like I'm 1230 01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:22,760 Speaker 1: getting old. I can never remember what I talked about. 1231 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,919 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm having deja vu. But how old 1232 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:31,200 Speaker 1: are you? Yeah, you're old, Bud, I'm over the hill. Yeah, 1233 01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna You're gonna die at the way I'm living. 1234 01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:40,160 Speaker 1: I might what are you addicted to drugs? Addicted to 1235 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,520 Speaker 1: deer addicted to deer um? But yeah, So I interviewed 1236 01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:48,040 Speaker 1: all these guys who are super super serious d I 1237 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,560 Speaker 1: Y hunters, who are doing like crazy stuff, like just 1238 01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,200 Speaker 1: going above and beyond the average guy, and most of 1239 01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,479 Speaker 1: them doing it, you know, all of them actually doing 1240 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,400 Speaker 1: it to stay on a on a great budget. So 1241 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,800 Speaker 1: most of them are hunting public land, and they're you know, 1242 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,560 Speaker 1: having to you know, travel really far distances to get 1243 01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,320 Speaker 1: to good land and camping out of the back of 1244 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,080 Speaker 1: their trucks or camping behind farmers houses. And almost all 1245 01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,320 Speaker 1: of them were finding creative ways to access ground other 1246 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,600 Speaker 1: people couldn't, so whether it be hiking seven miles in 1247 01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,680 Speaker 1: and just being willing to hike that far, or lots 1248 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,240 Speaker 1: of guys with boats. One guy would take his would 1249 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,120 Speaker 1: put his a little power boat into a river, take 1250 01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,920 Speaker 1: that down up to ten miles down the river to 1251 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,280 Speaker 1: access to access good parts of public land. Another guy 1252 01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,000 Speaker 1: would get these little canoes. I don't I can't remember 1253 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,160 Speaker 1: what they're called, but they're super lightweight canoes you can 1254 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,920 Speaker 1: one person can carry in so they're not very strong, 1255 01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,080 Speaker 1: but they're very light. And he would canoe rivers, canoe 1256 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,600 Speaker 1: across ponds, canoe across the lakes. Another guy had this 1257 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,520 Speaker 1: little inflatable zodiac boat he took with him everywhere he 1258 01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,200 Speaker 1: goes um that he would break, take a little ten 1259 01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,720 Speaker 1: horsepower motor with him, and then this zodiac boat which 1260 01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,200 Speaker 1: would pack up until a duffel bag, and ever he 1261 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,479 Speaker 1: goes he takes it with him and then again uses 1262 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,200 Speaker 1: that to access these spots. And I think it was 1263 01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,880 Speaker 1: just one of the biggest things that it took away 1264 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,040 Speaker 1: from all these interviews was that, especially when you're trying 1265 01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,720 Speaker 1: to get it done in heavily pressured places or in 1266 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,880 Speaker 1: public land, you have to get creative. You have to 1267 01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,920 Speaker 1: be willing to go above and beyond the normal every day. Okay, 1268 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna park my truck and walk to our rears 1269 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,280 Speaker 1: to the tree and sit there and have fun. Um. 1270 01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:19,960 Speaker 1: You know, if you really want to get one of 1271 01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,720 Speaker 1: these more mature deer in these tougher areas, it's going 1272 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,840 Speaker 1: to take some out of the box thinking. Um. And 1273 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,800 Speaker 1: it got me kind of like re excited about trying 1274 01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,160 Speaker 1: some new things myself. Like I'm I'm more intrigued with 1275 01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,000 Speaker 1: trying to hunt more public land now than I have 1276 01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,440 Speaker 1: been in a while. Um. You know, I've I've had 1277 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,800 Speaker 1: some great success on some private lands and least land. Um, 1278 01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm kind of interested in trying to you know, maybe 1279 01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:48,400 Speaker 1: next year or the future. Yes, that's exactly what us thinking, 1280 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,320 Speaker 1: you know, try to do the exact opposite and and 1281 01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,880 Speaker 1: really dive into some of these different public land spots. 1282 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,640 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I'm sure it'll be a huge challenge. 1283 01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm gonna kill fewer deer and have more struggles, 1284 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,560 Speaker 1: But you know, there's something to be said about the journey, 1285 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, you know, having some serious obstacles and learning 1286 01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,880 Speaker 1: some different things and and see if I can't figure 1287 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,440 Speaker 1: something out. That's something I've been kind of intrigued with. Um. 1288 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm I'm geeked. I'm getting pumped up about it. 1289 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,640 Speaker 1: I U Every year though, I feel like, you know, 1290 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,960 Speaker 1: what's the new angle, what's the new whether it be 1291 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,240 Speaker 1: on a current place I'm farm I'm hunting, or a 1292 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,240 Speaker 1: new farm i'm hunting. You know, I'm always trying to 1293 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,120 Speaker 1: tweak it, find a new way go about things, or 1294 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,760 Speaker 1: try a new idea, or go to a new place. 1295 01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,120 Speaker 1: I tend to get bored with doing the same thing 1296 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,280 Speaker 1: over and over again. I can't some I know a 1297 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,760 Speaker 1: lot of people like to you know, get their spot, 1298 01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,360 Speaker 1: have their go to tree stands and just do the 1299 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:46,800 Speaker 1: same thing year after the year, and it works for 1300 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,400 Speaker 1: him and that's fine. But I'm just like finding it 1301 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,760 Speaker 1: with my own, you know, my own set of interests 1302 01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,360 Speaker 1: and lack of patients or something that I kind of 1303 01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,160 Speaker 1: like going into new situations, learning new properties or stuff 1304 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,760 Speaker 1: like that. So I don't know, I'm probably be doing 1305 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,520 Speaker 1: more of that kind of stuff this year, next year 1306 01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:04,800 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I don't know. I've been 1307 01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,400 Speaker 1: thinking about all this kind of stuff. So as a hunter, 1308 01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:15,920 Speaker 1: I am torn, right, So I got I always you know, 1309 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,600 Speaker 1: I talk about, um, you know, going after mature deer. 1310 01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,360 Speaker 1: You know, I talk about you know that that four 1311 01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,640 Speaker 1: year old, that that four year old that makes my 1312 01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,840 Speaker 1: hit list, you know, not necessarily antler type, you know, 1313 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,560 Speaker 1: antler size, but you know, finding a target buck uh 1314 01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,200 Speaker 1: and killing him. And then on the other side of me, 1315 01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,560 Speaker 1: I got that, Hey man, hunting is just a blessing, 1316 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,320 Speaker 1: and um, you should be happy to hunt, and you 1317 01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,919 Speaker 1: should be happy to harvest whatever comes by your tree 1318 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,360 Speaker 1: stand and and and that kind of thing. So I 1319 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:51,680 Speaker 1: have this internal struggle where every year I have this 1320 01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,120 Speaker 1: this conversation with myself about, Okay, what are you gonna 1321 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,280 Speaker 1: kill this year? If something comes by you and it 1322 01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:01,920 Speaker 1: doesn't meet your your quote unquote standard, um, are you 1323 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,520 Speaker 1: gonna shoot it? I mean, do you want to uh 1324 01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,280 Speaker 1: you want to fill the freezer? Do you want to 1325 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,800 Speaker 1: kill a buck? Do you want to kill a mature buck? 1326 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,200 Speaker 1: Do you want to kill a target buck? And it's 1327 01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,719 Speaker 1: I got this every year. At the beginning of the season, 1328 01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:22,560 Speaker 1: I talked, do I need to change my standards? Because um, 1329 01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,000 Speaker 1: the past couple of years. I I've yeah, I've had 1330 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:29,800 Speaker 1: encounters and I've I've I've missed, Dear, I haven't had 1331 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,080 Speaker 1: to hunt as much as possibly know. All these all 1332 01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,759 Speaker 1: these different things have you know, they come into play 1333 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:40,679 Speaker 1: when it comes to harvesting mature animal. But I always 1334 01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,920 Speaker 1: have this conversation with myself about changing my You know, 1335 01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,080 Speaker 1: maybe you should drop down to a three year old. 1336 01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,559 Speaker 1: Maybe you should, you know, just shoot the first thing, 1337 01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,840 Speaker 1: the first buck that comes by your stand. But every 1338 01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,719 Speaker 1: time I do that, there's something inside me that pulls 1339 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,679 Speaker 1: me off that and says, wait for or four year old, 1340 01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,120 Speaker 1: wait for a mature buck, wait for. So I don't 1341 01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,000 Speaker 1: know if it's one of those things where I need 1342 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,080 Speaker 1: to just talk myself out of it, pull the trigger 1343 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,719 Speaker 1: on something different and see how I feel afterwards, or 1344 01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,960 Speaker 1: if I just need to stick to my guns and 1345 01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,280 Speaker 1: continue to chase what I what I preach. I don't know, 1346 01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:22,479 Speaker 1: huh interesting, UM, I definitely have had similar thoughts too. 1347 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,000 Speaker 1: I guess you know. My one thought on that, UM 1348 01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,760 Speaker 1: would be maybe for people other than you. I think 1349 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,120 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, I don't even know you. 1350 01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:34,040 Speaker 1: You didn't ask my advice, So I guess I'm giving 1351 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,559 Speaker 1: unslicited advice. Yeah, go for it. I'm just I'm just spitting, 1352 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:43,800 Speaker 1: spitballing because you know, it's for someone who, for someone 1353 01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:47,760 Speaker 1: who like myself. I write articles, you know, I we 1354 01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,880 Speaker 1: have this blog. I I give my opinion and in 1355 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,560 Speaker 1: some sometimes advice of what the listeners should do or 1356 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't do. And at some point, you know, it's one 1357 01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,880 Speaker 1: of those things where I feel I should be successful 1358 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,599 Speaker 1: at you know, what I've been preaching and what I've 1359 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:11,160 Speaker 1: been practicing, and uh, um, you know, this year I 1360 01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,200 Speaker 1: missed that or this past year, I missed that booner 1361 01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,439 Speaker 1: or that big buck. Um, I couldn't get a buck 1362 01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:20,040 Speaker 1: to stop. Uh And then those were my really only 1363 01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:25,559 Speaker 1: two encounters with what I would consider shooters this year. 1364 01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,600 Speaker 1: Well another one but he busted me, but because he 1365 01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,880 Speaker 1: caught caught my set. But other than that, you know, 1366 01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,639 Speaker 1: the past couple of years have been a struggle as far, 1367 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, since two thousand and twelve, I think was 1368 01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:45,120 Speaker 1: the last year I shot a buck, so a mature buck, 1369 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:49,519 Speaker 1: and I've had encounters. I just haven't capitalized, you know, 1370 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,280 Speaker 1: and on getting those to the grounds. So I don't know, 1371 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:55,240 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm spitballing here. I'm I'm talking what I'm thinking. Yeah, yeah, 1372 01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,240 Speaker 1: I can totally related. Man, I know what you're saying. 1373 01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,720 Speaker 1: I would say my typical recommendation to someone be, you know, 1374 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,880 Speaker 1: just do what feels right. You know, if you feel 1375 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:07,280 Speaker 1: like shooting any buck would get you really happy and 1376 01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,439 Speaker 1: fired up and you would feel fulfilled with that hunt 1377 01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,160 Speaker 1: and that hunting season, then you should shoot it. Um. 1378 01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,000 Speaker 1: So you know, in your type of situation, you know, 1379 01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,200 Speaker 1: if you don't think you would feel fulfilled by killing 1380 01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,160 Speaker 1: that buck or whatever it is, you know you shouldn't 1381 01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:20,680 Speaker 1: feel bad about that. But on the other hand, I 1382 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,960 Speaker 1: know what you're saying too about you know, you haven't 1383 01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,200 Speaker 1: killed a buck in a while, and you know you've 1384 01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,320 Speaker 1: got all these questions about it. You know, do I 1385 01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,800 Speaker 1: need to be Should I be lowering my standards so 1386 01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,120 Speaker 1: I can start killing some more bucks? And then to 1387 01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,960 Speaker 1: your point, you know, you know you're sharing your experiences 1388 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,720 Speaker 1: and stuff does put some additional pressure on you, or 1389 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,559 Speaker 1: at least it has on me. I felt, Um, the 1390 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,120 Speaker 1: only thing I would I would offer, I guess is 1391 01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:48,040 Speaker 1: that there is something to be said. And this could 1392 01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,160 Speaker 1: be like a person in your shoes or even anyone 1393 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,200 Speaker 1: just getting into hunting. Maybe in the opposite side of things, 1394 01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,360 Speaker 1: you know, there's something to be said about that experience 1395 01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:00,439 Speaker 1: of actually successfully completing a hunt from beginning to end. 1396 01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,080 Speaker 1: That makes you a better hunter every time. So when 1397 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,439 Speaker 1: you actually do have a buck come in, you decide 1398 01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,360 Speaker 1: to shoot it, you successfully execute that whole set of 1399 01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,639 Speaker 1: steps from deciding to shoot to drawing back to putting 1400 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,840 Speaker 1: a shot. Work needs to go to finding that deer. 1401 01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,000 Speaker 1: That set of experiences happened so few times for the 1402 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,519 Speaker 1: guy or girl that passes on every deer for five 1403 01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,640 Speaker 1: nine years that you tend to lose a little bit 1404 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,840 Speaker 1: of that experience of a hunt that makes you a 1405 01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,360 Speaker 1: better hunter. So that would be the one thing I 1406 01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,280 Speaker 1: guess I would offer is that there might be something 1407 01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,760 Speaker 1: you might be able to learn something, or you might 1408 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,280 Speaker 1: be able to improve a little bit by going through 1409 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:44,000 Speaker 1: that more often. Not not not to say that, you know, 1410 01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,600 Speaker 1: you should not have standards or anything like that, but 1411 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,640 Speaker 1: I guess this one additional thought to throw in the 1412 01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:53,200 Speaker 1: pot to think about it, I guess um especially yeah, 1413 01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if there's a buck that especially 1414 01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,640 Speaker 1: I think if you at least for me, like if 1415 01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna situation where I've tried to diagnose a hunting 1416 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,839 Speaker 1: situation of property and I have this plan of this idea, 1417 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,920 Speaker 1: and the dear do what I thought they were going 1418 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,640 Speaker 1: to do, and it works out, and I have an 1419 01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,280 Speaker 1: opportunity at a maybe a teeter tyter buck um, you know, 1420 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:16,960 Speaker 1: one of those I don't know, I don't know. You know, 1421 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,160 Speaker 1: that's one of the situations where you should feel prettier. 1422 01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:24,280 Speaker 1: I would feel pretty fulfilled and pretty um content knowing 1423 01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,320 Speaker 1: that I was able to actually put this plan together 1424 01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,000 Speaker 1: from A to B and see it all the way 1425 01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,200 Speaker 1: to the end, because that happens so rarely, even the 1426 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,599 Speaker 1: very best deer hunters, when you you know, so rarely 1427 01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,599 Speaker 1: does it actually come together that I don't think it's 1428 01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:41,120 Speaker 1: a bad thing to occasionally reward yourself, um, but you know, gosh, 1429 01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,680 Speaker 1: it's it's such a it's such a different thing for 1430 01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:45,880 Speaker 1: every person and what makes you happy, And I mean, 1431 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,400 Speaker 1: in the end, that's what it has to come down to, 1432 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,040 Speaker 1: is if you if you feel good about it, if 1433 01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,080 Speaker 1: it was you know, the right thing for you, right. 1434 01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,920 Speaker 1: And the thing about it is I made those standards 1435 01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,960 Speaker 1: for myself at a time in my life where I 1436 01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,559 Speaker 1: was single, I was hunting, like, you know, up to 1437 01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,599 Speaker 1: forty to fifty days a year. I could do those things. 1438 01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:12,240 Speaker 1: Now time and the tree stand has changed, and I'm 1439 01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:16,880 Speaker 1: debating on like my standards need to change as well. 1440 01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,920 Speaker 1: So and it's not and it's not. It's crazy because 1441 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of not making it about the 1442 01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:27,880 Speaker 1: rack ah or necessarily even the maturity level, because I 1443 01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,920 Speaker 1: find it just like this year, I shot two doughs, 1444 01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,800 Speaker 1: and I found just as much enjoyment killing those two 1445 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:40,000 Speaker 1: doughs that I did uh, you know, killing previous bucks. 1446 01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:44,880 Speaker 1: But let's be honest, there's I guess it depends on 1447 01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,840 Speaker 1: where you hunt. But for me, hunting dose is easy. 1448 01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:52,040 Speaker 1: I can go to just about any field edge and 1449 01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:57,880 Speaker 1: wait the first couple of weeks of the season and uh, kill, 1450 01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,880 Speaker 1: you know, I got some I got some fishing of 1451 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,240 Speaker 1: barrel type spots for dose, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, 1452 01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,840 Speaker 1: that's funny. I always do hunting always seems so easy 1453 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,000 Speaker 1: until I decided to just just be do hunting, and 1454 01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,479 Speaker 1: then somehow they always become really crafty or I become 1455 01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,479 Speaker 1: really stupid or something, because it always seems like, Okay, 1456 01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my buck and then I get my 1457 01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,559 Speaker 1: buck and then it's okay, now I'm dough hunting, and 1458 01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:21,080 Speaker 1: then something al goes wrong. Um. But taking one quick 1459 01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:24,080 Speaker 1: step back to what you were saying there, if you're 1460 01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,559 Speaker 1: thinking about, you know, making that adjustment based on you know, 1461 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:33,080 Speaker 1: you're changing circumstances, which is a very fair consideration, I 1462 01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,880 Speaker 1: would just encourage you to not feel bad about that, 1463 01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,760 Speaker 1: Like if if you feel like maybe that would be 1464 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,360 Speaker 1: something that would you know, given everything that's happening, like, 1465 01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:43,760 Speaker 1: you shouldn't. I don't personally think you should feel bad 1466 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,000 Speaker 1: at all for shifting from passing on three year olds 1467 01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,400 Speaker 1: to now shooting three year olds, because that's still a 1468 01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,599 Speaker 1: relatively mature deer, that's still a smart deer, and that's 1469 01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:56,439 Speaker 1: that's a great deer to go after. UM. So you know, 1470 01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,000 Speaker 1: I would say go for it if if that feels 1471 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,679 Speaker 1: good to you. Um. And then, like I said earlier, 1472 01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:04,479 Speaker 1: you might also be able to learn some more things 1473 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,400 Speaker 1: from it, from those experiences that could then help you 1474 01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,120 Speaker 1: to maybe maybe if you do it for you you're like, wow, 1475 01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,400 Speaker 1: that was fun and a couple of things happened that 1476 01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm glad that so happened. And now next year I'm 1477 01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,040 Speaker 1: gonna go back to shooting targeting four year olds, but 1478 01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,360 Speaker 1: who knows, maybe there's some kind of experience you could 1479 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,040 Speaker 1: have this year by targeting a three year old that 1480 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,479 Speaker 1: maybe you wouldn't have otherwise. I don't know. You know. 1481 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,799 Speaker 1: Another nice thing about now, I want to be careful 1482 01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,080 Speaker 1: what I say here, because, like you, like, I think 1483 01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of benefits to passing on younger dear 1484 01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,719 Speaker 1: and waiting till they're older. Um, And i'd encourage people 1485 01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,960 Speaker 1: to consider that. But at the same time, there's also 1486 01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,360 Speaker 1: something nice about having a target rich environment, you know, 1487 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,360 Speaker 1: where there's more dear that you would be interesting killing. 1488 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,439 Speaker 1: It makes the hunt more exciting. Um, when you know that, 1489 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,120 Speaker 1: you know, this buck could be potentially the one. UM. 1490 01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,920 Speaker 1: Trail cameras, I think that has a lot to do 1491 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,120 Speaker 1: with it. You got these trail camera pictures of these 1492 01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,439 Speaker 1: giants who are hitting scrapes, no turnal, or you know 1493 01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,320 Speaker 1: they're on one side of the farm or another side 1494 01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,160 Speaker 1: of the farm, or you gotta be in velvet and 1495 01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,639 Speaker 1: you're always got these these hitless deer in the back 1496 01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:12,200 Speaker 1: of your back of your mind. Um, you know, and 1497 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,680 Speaker 1: that's not for that's not everybody because I know a 1498 01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,559 Speaker 1: lot of guys out there listening hunt public ground in 1499 01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:22,280 Speaker 1: heavy pressured states where the hunting is not like where 1500 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,640 Speaker 1: I hunt. So and I'm just speaking up, you know, 1501 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,799 Speaker 1: making this about me right now, which I probably shouldn't, 1502 01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:33,200 Speaker 1: but um, I think trail cameras can throw a guy 1503 01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:37,120 Speaker 1: for a loop sometimes and and make it so this, 1504 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, this great buck that walks by doesn't make 1505 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:47,920 Speaker 1: the cut because they're thinking about something else. Very true, 1506 01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,639 Speaker 1: very true. And then many times, nine times out of ten, 1507 01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,200 Speaker 1: you know that buck you could be obsessing over, you know, 1508 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:56,960 Speaker 1: could you could have been a one time visitor, or 1509 01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,200 Speaker 1: he might be almost completely nocturnal, or you know, because 1510 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,880 Speaker 1: annual pattern is somewhere else during the hunting season. Right. 1511 01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:08,000 Speaker 1: That's a very good point. It's tough. It's tough to 1512 01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:12,639 Speaker 1: make those decisions. Yeah, yep. I kind of wish like 1513 01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,160 Speaker 1: my wife would make some of these decisions for me, 1514 01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:20,760 Speaker 1: like what towels our bathroom needs, or what our bedspread 1515 01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,680 Speaker 1: should look like, you know, or what pictures need to on. 1516 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:27,559 Speaker 1: So what about this? I don't know if this is 1517 01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,160 Speaker 1: what you actually want to do, but it would be 1518 01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,800 Speaker 1: kind of curious. I'd be curious to see what other 1519 01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:37,520 Speaker 1: people think about this type of thing, Like, would they, um, 1520 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,479 Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be interested to hear if people think 1521 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,920 Speaker 1: you should know given the circumstances you just laid out, 1522 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,840 Speaker 1: would they say stick to four year old or would 1523 01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,599 Speaker 1: they say go for a three year old this year? Maybe? 1524 01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. Be kind of curious see what other 1525 01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,920 Speaker 1: people thought about that. How about this? How about this 1526 01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:57,519 Speaker 1: on the Facebook page that mention mentions this. Um, I 1527 01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,120 Speaker 1: know a lot of people comment on on this, but 1528 01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,760 Speaker 1: I want every listener to go to the Wired to 1529 01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:08,200 Speaker 1: Hunt Facebook page and comment on the post that mentions 1530 01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:12,719 Speaker 1: this actual podcast that you're listening to and your thoughts 1531 01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,479 Speaker 1: on just about everything that we've talked about today. Let's 1532 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,360 Speaker 1: get a giant feed of people in opinions rolling on 1533 01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,400 Speaker 1: this and uh, that's That's one thing I really like 1534 01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,519 Speaker 1: to do after a podcast is go let's read the comments, 1535 01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,719 Speaker 1: listen to what people others have to say. So, yeah, 1536 01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,720 Speaker 1: I think it would be particularly particularly interesting on this 1537 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,000 Speaker 1: topic especially, would be I like that idea? Go Go 1538 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,599 Speaker 1: head up the Facebook page, leave a leave your thoughts 1539 01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,040 Speaker 1: there and maybe give Dan some ideas for how to 1540 01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,280 Speaker 1: how to how to move forward on this one I 1541 01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:47,280 Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I I can already see it now. 1542 01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:53,960 Speaker 1: Hey Dan, why don't you stop bitching because I I 1543 01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,680 Speaker 1: typically hide those comments that so you don't feel bad, Dan. 1544 01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,800 Speaker 1: But right, oh man, wh it was like a bunch 1545 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,200 Speaker 1: of other things I thought we could talk about today, 1546 01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:07,280 Speaker 1: But we are kind of coming up on time for me, um, 1547 01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,200 Speaker 1: so we're not to have another episode like this where 1548 01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:14,280 Speaker 1: we just kinda see where the conversation takes us and 1549 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:18,439 Speaker 1: and talk about random things. So I think we should 1550 01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,400 Speaker 1: shut it down. And a heads up, we are not 1551 01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,920 Speaker 1: going to have an episode next week because I'm gonna 1552 01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:29,679 Speaker 1: be on the road heading out west. So yeah, sorry man, 1553 01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,400 Speaker 1: but we'll give you a nice little break from this 1554 01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:36,160 Speaker 1: podcast at least. Yeah, and uh, we'll be back in 1555 01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,680 Speaker 1: two weeks. And we've got some great guests coming up 1556 01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:43,040 Speaker 1: in June and continue this conversation and lots of good stuff. 1557 01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:47,160 Speaker 1: So with that said, we'll wrap things up with a 1558 01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:51,080 Speaker 1: few quick reminders. First, make sure to check out the 1559 01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:56,640 Speaker 1: One Wild podcast. That's our new show and collaboration with 1560 01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,639 Speaker 1: Drewy Outdoors. We have a new episode coming out very 1561 01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:03,120 Speaker 1: soon with Jim Tomy. It is an awesome episode, so 1562 01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,680 Speaker 1: make sure to check out One Wild on iTunes or 1563 01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,000 Speaker 1: Stitcher or Google Play or wherever it is that you'd 1564 01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:12,799 Speaker 1: like to subscribe to your podcast, please check that out. Also, 1565 01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:14,960 Speaker 1: we need to thank our partners who helped make this 1566 01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,519 Speaker 1: podcast possible. So big thank you to sick A Gear, Trophy, 1567 01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:23,200 Speaker 1: Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds on Terror Maps, Ozonics, Carbon Express, 1568 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,600 Speaker 1: Maven Optics, and the White Tail Institute of North America. 1569 01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,600 Speaker 1: And finally, thank you all for joining us. Hope you 1570 01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,840 Speaker 1: enjoyed this kind of casual deer hunting chat that Dan 1571 01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,479 Speaker 1: and I just had. And like we mentioned, we're gonna 1572 01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,599 Speaker 1: be gone next week but we'll be back soon, so 1573 01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,040 Speaker 1: until then, stay Wired to Hunt