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An electromagnetic pulse is 20 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: a super energetic wave that could be caused by an 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: enemy attack or even the sun, and it causes electric 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: grids to black out and shut down for an extended 23 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: period of time. The net result is the life sustaining 24 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: critical infrastructure, which helps maintain modern civilization everywhere on the 25 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: planet is threatened. We'll go into more depth about EMP 26 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: and this episode. I'm pleased to welcome my guests, doctor 27 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: Peter Vincent Prye, who served as Chief of Staff on 28 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: the Congressional EMP Commission for seventeen years, and doctor William R. Fortune, 29 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: author of the best selling EMP books One Second, One 30 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: Day After, and The Final Day. Doctor Peter Vincent Pride, 31 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: would you think a couple missionist start with your background 32 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: academically and then your involvement in national security. Sure. I've 33 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: got two PhDs, one in history and the other in 34 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: strategic studies. I worked for the CIA for a decade 35 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: through in what I thought was the most dangerous part 36 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: of the Cold War, where the decline of the Soviet 37 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: Union from the peak of its military power when they 38 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: were seriously considering going to war with US before they 39 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: lost that power, and then into the Russian period with 40 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: the flaps of the Soviet Union and then the rise 41 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: of Russia so I followed the continuity of Russian nuclear 42 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: weapons and strategy from the Soviet Union into the Russian period, 43 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: and now we're back in this new Cold War. And 44 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: I was one of the few when the Soviet Union 45 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: collapsed saying that they'd be back and that we had 46 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: better keep our eye on that ball. That I worked 47 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: for the Congress on the House Arm Services Committee, on 48 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: the Professional Staff as an expert on nuclear weapons strategy, 49 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: weapons of mass destruction, NATO expansion. Then I served on 50 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: a number of Congressional commissions, including the Strategic Posture Commission, 51 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: which looked at modernization of US nuclear forces, and we 52 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: were constantly saying we should modernize them. And then the 53 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: seventeen years as the Chief of Staff of the Congressional 54 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: EMP Commission. EMP is one of the top priorities that 55 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: we had. After twenty years of trying, President Trump finally 56 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: signed an executive order on March twenty sixth directing the 57 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: US government, the Department of Defense, the Department of Homeland Security, 58 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: and the Department of Energy to work together to try 59 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: to protect the country. The executive order hasn't solved the problem. 60 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: To see whether we will succeed in overcoming the resistance 61 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: from the utilities and actually get the country protected. You know, 62 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: I think one of the challenges with electromagnetic pause is 63 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: it just sounds too hard. How would you explain to 64 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: the average American citizen what is electromagnetic pulse? An electromagnetic 65 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: pulse is basically caused by a moving magnetic field. When 66 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: you go to start your lawnmower, you know, you pull 67 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: a cord on a lawnmower, you're spinning a magneto, which 68 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: is a little cluster of magnets, and it causes a 69 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: small magnetic field to move around, and this makes the 70 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: electrons move in the coil in your lawnmower, which basically 71 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: causes a small electromagnetic pulse that you can see in 72 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: the form of a spark and the spark plug. Now, 73 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: the Earth is a giant magnet surrounded by a magnetic 74 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: field that we call the magnetosphere. And when a corona 75 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: mass ejection from the Sun traveling a million miles an hour, 76 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: slams into the magnetosphere, it moves around. If the chrome 77 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: mass ejection is big enough, like the Carrington event in 78 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty nine, it'll move around everywhere in the world 79 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: and cause electrons to move in wires everywhere in the world, 80 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 1: and the powers because we were talking about a planetary scale. 81 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: Now the energies are likewise scaled up to a planetary scale, 82 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: and they can be enormous. They can do things like 83 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: there was a geomagnetic storm a natural EMP back in 84 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine called the Hydroquovex storm, and it melted 85 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: the extra high voltage transformer that was designed to carry 86 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty thousand volts and it melted in 87 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: ninety seconds as a consequence. And that wasn't a superstorm. 88 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: That was kind of a run of the mill, more 89 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: powerful than your average storm, but it wasn't a geomagnetic superstorm. 90 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: Another way of thinking about EMP. Everyone has actually kind 91 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: of experienced this in their lives. I'm sure everyone listening 92 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: has had the experience of driving down the highway and 93 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: you're listening to the radio and you pass under a 94 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: high power line and suddenly the radio show goes off, 95 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: and then when you come out, you drive away from 96 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: that power line a little way, it comes back on again. Well, 97 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: what happened is you passed under electromagnetic field. Now, we 98 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: try to design these power lines, we put them up 99 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: high enough, and we insulate them so they don't destroy 100 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: your radio or they don't stop your car from running. 101 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: But if you put enough energy into that field, you 102 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: could destroy the radio, you could stop the car from running. 103 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: So just picture a field like that, a field that 104 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: could stop your car, that is so big that it 105 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: covers North America. That's what you could do. With the 106 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: nuclear weapon detonated at three hundred kilometers altitude over the 107 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: center of this country. You could put on an EMP 108 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: field down over all of North America. That would cover 109 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: most of Canada, all forty eight United States, bit chunk 110 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: of Mexico, and destroy or put at risk all the 111 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: electronic systems within that footprint. And we can't survive as 112 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: a civilization without those electronic systems. Another way of thinking 113 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: about EMP is that it's an anti technology weapon. It 114 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: subtracts from the equation of our civilization technology, modern electronic technology. 115 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: You know, the commission in which I served calculated that 116 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: if we had a blackout that lasted one year in 117 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: this country, we could lose up to our population through starvation, disease, 118 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: and societal collapse. And that's why the Russians, the Chinese, 119 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: even the North Koreans, they all know about EMP. They've 120 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: incorporated it into their war plans. They would use it 121 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: to try to destroy us or try to paralyze our 122 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: military capabilities in the event of a war. Sort of 123 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: the ultimate asymmetric weapon. Can you talk a little bit 124 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: more about what happened in eighteen fifty nine. You can 125 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: actually have a solar event which has the same impact 126 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: as an amphuban with the Carrington event. It's the most 127 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: powerful solar storm we know of up to that time. 128 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: Of Chush magnetometers had been deployed for the first time 129 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty nine in various places around the world, 130 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: so we actually got some readings on the eighteen fifty 131 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: nine Carrington event. What happened is that an extraordinarily powerful 132 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: chronal mass ejection was thrown out of the Sun. These 133 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: chronal mass ejections, they're basically a chunk of the sun, 134 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: superheated blob of ionized plasma, and they come out of 135 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: the sun spots. And there was a sun spot aimed 136 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: right at the Earth, and this thing came out a 137 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: normal jo magnetic stormal normal chronal mass ejection takes about 138 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 1: three days to reach the Earth, but this one was 139 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: so energetic and was traveling so fast it took only 140 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: eleven hours to cross the ninety seven million miles between 141 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: the Sun and the Earth and hit us. And Carrington 142 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: an observer who was looking at the sun and watching 143 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: that the event, he actually saw it coming, and he's 144 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: the guy that made the connection between the Aurora borealises 145 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: that happened. They were visible on the Hawaiian islands, for example, 146 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: you could read newspapers in London at night by the 147 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: light of the Aurora borealis. And the primitive electronics of 148 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: the day, which was the telegraph system. Telegraphs were all 149 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: over the world at that point. Every place the colonial 150 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: powers were located in Africa, India, China, and of course 151 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: North and South America and Europe. Every place built a railroad, 152 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: they also would string telegraph lines around it. So we 153 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: had telegraph systems pretty much all over the world on 154 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: all the major continents in eighteen fifty nine, and everywhere. 155 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: They failed, and they failed catastrophically when some cases the 156 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: pulse was so powerful it just took over the telegraph signals, 157 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: so that the telegraph keys were just operating by themselves 158 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: with no operator. In other cases they sparked, and it 159 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: was intense that it burned down telegraph stations, and there 160 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,479 Speaker 1: were forest fires all over the world because the telegraph 161 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: lines exploded. This is all happening in response to a 162 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: solar event with no human intervention. So in addition to 163 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: the threat of an enemy country, there's the long term 164 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: question of how often are we going to get flares 165 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: on that size, and given how much more electronic we 166 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: are today, how vulnerable are we going to be to 167 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: that kind of a flare. Mother Nature almost answered that 168 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: question for us back in twenty twelve. On July twenty twelve, 169 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: NASA reported that the Earth was narrowly missed a carrent 170 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: In class kernel mass ejection crossed the path of the 171 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: Earth and just missed us by about three days. Had 172 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: that hit, because the electric grids of the world except 173 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: in Russia and China are basically not protected against this phenomena, 174 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: electronic civilization worldwide would have come crashing down and would 175 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: have put billions of lives at risk. NASA after that 176 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: event estimates that the likelihood of the recurrence of something 177 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: like the Carrington event is about twelve percent per decade, 178 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: which virtually guarantees that no later than the lives of 179 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: our grandchildren that we will probably experience age you magnetic superstorm, 180 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: and it's inevitable, it will happen for sure someday. It's 181 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: just a question of when next. Doctor Pryde talks about 182 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: what we can do as a nation to prevent any 183 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: MP attack. What do you think we need to do 184 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: to minimize the damage that we're going to get in 185 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: either a natural or a man made electromagnetic pulse event. 186 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: The MP Commission recommendations that were put out in two 187 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, you know, we basically provided a blueprint 188 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: for protecting not just the electric grid, but all the 189 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: life sustaining critical infrastructures, communications, transportations, food and water. But 190 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: the most important of them, of course, is the electric grid. 191 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: It's the keystone critical infrastructure. Nothing else will operate without it. 192 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: And even if we only protected the electric grid, if 193 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: we just did that, it would give us a fighting 194 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 1: chance to bring back the others in timely fashion so 195 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: that we could avoid mass starvation. And basically to do this, 196 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: you need to install farity cages to protect the skata systems. 197 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: You need to put in surge arrests and blocking devices 198 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,239 Speaker 1: to protect extra hyfoldage transformers. We need to start designing 199 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: things to be EMP hard. The utilities don't want to 200 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: do anything because they make two arguments. One of the 201 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: arguments is the MP Commission is wrong and this threat 202 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: isn't as great as they say. Now, they're not experts 203 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: on this at all, they can't be trusted on this. 204 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: Intellectually dishonest, and they have put out reports, including a 205 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: recent report by the Electric Power Resurgence, for example, that 206 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: tries to belittle the EMP threat. And when those get rebutted, 207 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: and we have rebutted them, then they go the other 208 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: way and they say, well, the threat is so great, 209 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do about it. It's like getting 210 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: struck by an asteroid. But you know, we've solved this 211 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: problem before. Lightning is a form of EMP in the 212 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: EMP world. We call it E two EMP, and we 213 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: don't worry about lightning anymore because almost everything in our 214 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: electronic civilization is protected against lightning already with surge arrestors 215 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: and blocking devices and fairity cages that are adequate for lightning. 216 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: Now they're not adequate for what we might call E 217 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: three EMP and E one EMP. Just think of them 218 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: as forms of super lightning. They're much more powerful. One 219 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: of them lasts longer, the other one is much faster. 220 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: Lightning has lasts milliseconds, you know, thousands of a second. 221 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: Where isn't the EMP shockwave that we're most concerned about, 222 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: so called E one EMP is a billionth of a second. 223 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: It's a million times faster. And so lightning protection doesn't 224 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: work against these new kinds of EMP threats that we're 225 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: worried about. But we as a society, painlessly, without even 226 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: thinking about it, have protected ourselves against this form of 227 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: EMP called lightning. And why is that. It's because we 228 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: put in place regulations and best practices and standards for 229 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: hardening everything from automobiles to refrigerators in the personal computer 230 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: on your desk against lightning your personal computer. If you 231 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: look at the plug in the wall for your personal computer, 232 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of a fat plug. It's bigger than a 233 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: normal plug. That's because there's a little surge arrestor for 234 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: lightning in that plug, and nobody complains about it. Is 235 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: just the standard thing that every country in the world 236 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: does it because lightning happens all the time, and so 237 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: you have to prote techno electronics against lightning. So by 238 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: that same process of it putting in regulations and requirements 239 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: and best practices, we can protect everything eventually against DMP 240 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: as well. So we've done this before and we can 241 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: prove we can do it, and it's even hardly noticeable 242 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: to us. Are they reports of your commission available or 243 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: are they classified? Some of them are classified, but most 244 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: of the unclassified reports are available on www dot first 245 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: EMP Commission dot org. We'll put that on our show page. 246 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: If you're talking every American, what should they do well? First, 247 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: I think every American should be their own first line 248 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: of defense. It's not clear that we're going to win 249 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: the struggle to protect our critical national infrastructures. So people 250 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: should be prepared, have food, have water, think about where 251 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: you live, your own first line of defense. This is 252 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: encouraging everybody to become a survivalist. What it is encouraging 253 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: is for people to sort of take responsibility for themselves 254 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: the way my father's generation did, the way the great 255 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: generation that survived the Great Depression in World War Two did. 256 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: Those people had never heard of e MP, but they 257 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: had seen our government fail in peace, during the Great 258 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: Depression and in war and fail catastrophically and there was 259 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: a pride that people took it. Actually, I think made 260 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: for a happier people and a happier population because they 261 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: knew that if the worst happened, they could take care 262 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: of their own families at least. So the first thing 263 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: I'd encouraged the audience to do is is don't trust 264 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: the Department of Home and Security and FEMA that no 265 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: matter what happens, they're going to be there in seventy 266 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: two hours. Be your own first line of events. Trust 267 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: yourself and think about what would happen in a grid 268 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: down event and a hurricane or any other kind of 269 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: a thing. If you're prepared for an e MP, which 270 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: is one of the worst case scenarios, you'll be prepared 271 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: for any thing. So have some kind of a supply 272 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: of food and water and a plan about what your 273 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: family should do if the worst happens, whether it's hunkering 274 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: down or moving to share a place with relatives who 275 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: live in the country. I'd contact my state representative and governor. 276 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: You can harden an individual state. I've written a book 277 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: called Blackout Wars that describes how you can do this legislatively. 278 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: If a governor would pass an executive order, for example, 279 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: requiring the utilities that serve that state start protecting themselves. 280 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: They'd have to do it, and it is possible even 281 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: if the rest of the country goes down. If you've 282 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: protected the generation and distribution systems in your state, you 283 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: can keep the lights on. And some states have actually 284 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: started to move in that direction. Maine, for example, did it. 285 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: Texas has been trying to do it for a few years. 286 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: Every state, you end up having to fight the utilities 287 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: that don't want to do anything. California passed a bill 288 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: so that at least policy decisions have been made in 289 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: the right direction. It seems to me that the hard 290 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: truth is that we're just not prepared to deal with 291 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 1: this extensive threat to our civilization that a real electromagnetic 292 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: pulse attack or that a large solar event would represent, 293 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: and that we have a real obligation to strengthen our 294 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: infrastructure and our defenses against this capability. And until we 295 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: do that, we are in grave danger both as a 296 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: nation and as a society, And that the work you're doing, 297 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: others are doing. We need to keep the pressure on 298 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: Congress and on the bureaucracy to follow through and actually 299 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: defend America. Bill Fortune credits you with inspiring him to 300 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: write his novel. I'm disappointed to say that all the 301 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: MP Commission reports that we wrote didn't generate as much 302 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: public interest in the threat as Bill Fortune's novel One 303 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: Second After. So you and he have played at least 304 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: as greater role, perhaps a greater role than I and 305 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,959 Speaker 1: the whole official Congressional EMP COMMISSI and moving the country 306 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: in a direction where we might get it protected. 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Yeah, 351 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: it surprised me. It was a book that at the 352 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: right moment, with the right audience, with the right people, 353 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: including you, holding the book up and sayings at that 354 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: time we read this. The book is about an electro 355 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: magnetic pulse as an offensive weapon HiT's the United States. 356 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: It shuts down our power grid, it doesn't come back on. 357 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: Estimates are that upwards of ninety percent of all people 358 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: would die within a year. When I read it the 359 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: first time, I was just so blown away by it 360 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: is you take that large fact, but then you carry 361 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: us one step at a time through just an amazing experience. 362 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: So we're there with John Mattheson, We're seeing his own confusion, 363 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: We're seeing the world around him falling apart. Your ability 364 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: in this case to get inside the psychology of survival. 365 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: It's an every day town in North Carolina that you 366 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: know because you've taught there for so many years. It's 367 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: a feel for what would happen. Until I read your book, 368 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: had never occurred to me that one of the side 369 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: effects would be that most of our psychiatric medicines require refrigeration. 370 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: Now with then a week or two, both people who 371 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: are diabetic who also require refrigeration. I mean, the number 372 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: of different things going on that you take for granted 373 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: that suddenly disappear is just amazing, and you capture that 374 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: down at a personal life level. One night was working 375 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: on the novel, I went around, I interviewed with a 376 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: lot of people of if the electricity goes off, what 377 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: happens to you, what happens to your job? And I 378 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: went to my pharmacists, set down with her over a 379 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: cup of coffee. If she closed the store, and at 380 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: the end of an hour, she was crying. She started 381 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: running down the list of all the different types of situations. 382 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: Some of them would prove to be fatal in less 383 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: than a week let alone. It was like painkillers, things 384 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: like that. The other one I want to interview was 385 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: the nursing home. My father was in a nursing home 386 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: at the time. He was fighting at the last months 387 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: of his life. And not many people realize a couple 388 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: million people in those homes. The medication is delivered only 389 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: two or three days in advance because of the opioid 390 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: crisis and such. But what happens if it stops? What's 391 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: going to happen to all the people at Alzheimer's. So 392 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: what I tried to do was reduce it from this 393 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: massive catastrophe like we have today with too many movies 394 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: and books and things blowing up and taking it all 395 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: the way back to just a basic story about a 396 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: family call it leave it the Beaver type family who 397 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: suddenly things go bad, really bad, and then what will 398 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: they do in order to survive? John Mattheson becomes a 399 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: really remarkable figure, which haldomnly you carry out through three 400 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: different books. At the end of the forwards to the book, 401 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: I said, I hope this never happens. How thirty years 402 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: from now my name is forgotten because if so, it worked, 403 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: if the country woke up, we got better prepared, and 404 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: it never happens. You know, I have to ask you, 405 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: when you dedicated the first book one second after to 406 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: your daughter, did you ever think much about the danger 407 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: of her having to live in a world after an 408 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: e MP strike. Well, that's what start of it. My 409 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: daughter was. It was ten or eleven at the time, 410 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: and I peeked in the door and I broke down crime. 411 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: I just right there on the spot. I start to 412 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: cry because I knew I had done nothing to protect her. 413 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: Nobody was doing anything to protect her. And then that's 414 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: the genesis of the book. If you know your enemy 415 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: is wrong enough to beat you, you will never dare 416 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: launch an attack. The temptation to attack comes when you 417 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: start to think, you know, I can take him out, 418 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: and I can take him out big time. With EMP 419 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: third rate players like Korea Iran for quite a long time, 420 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: and that temptation dragging in front of them, they could 421 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: literally destroy the United States in thirty minutes. And then 422 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: as we start to build back up, we will cross 423 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: a line where don't even think it you even think 424 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: it and you're gone. That's what's going to take the preventive. 425 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: You've now done three novels on the EMP effect in 426 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: its aftermath. What sort of things did you do to 427 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: get yourself into the rhythm in the mood to fully 428 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: be able to express this with EMP? One of the 429 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: basic things is simply go for three or four days 430 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: without any electricity none, zero, See what it's like, See 431 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: how much you don't like it after but six hours, 432 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: and then imagine being in that situation for several years. 433 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: The most fundamental thing of our society today is electricity. 434 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: To the people of one hundred and thirty years ago, 435 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: not so. But the people of today, we can't even 436 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: think about it. And that's first thirty seconds, seven hundred 437 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: thousand people are just going to die because they are 438 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: planes they are on are useless with the computer capacity 439 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: shut off. Even if you got subty upfront, that plane's 440 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: going to go down like a rock first three to 441 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: five days. Nursing homes, people at Alzheimer's and a lot 442 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: of people they have the ankle bracelet that alzheimer people wear. 443 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: If they get near a door, it locks in safe 444 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 1: mode that the activates we're going to do with that. 445 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: All these people at nursing home said, nobody's taken care 446 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: of gastron teston illness will start in because of water purification, 447 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: just getting water itself. Average town has twenty twenty five 448 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: days worth of food. Then matt runs out and then 449 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: gets bad. At this point as well, you all have 450 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: had millions upon millions fleeing the cities with this fantasy 451 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: that things in the country are going to be good, 452 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: or for example, hunting. Oh, we'll all go out with 453 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: this hunt, We'll get a deer. But how many people 454 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: have actually killed and cut up a deer into usable food. 455 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: At the end of a year, most of wis will 456 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: be dead. We've now had over well over a half 457 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: century to understand this and to develop a solution to it. 458 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: So what do we have to do then? If they 459 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: know that we are real us, and that we have 460 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: a foreign policy and a leader that says, don't even 461 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: think about it, isn't that going to lower the chances 462 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: right there? That means spending the money to start hardening 463 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: the system. Hardening it meaning taking a surprise hit in 464 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: which the majority of the system survives. We'll require some money, now, 465 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: Doctor Peter Prye, a brilliant man, says to to five 466 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: billion to harden our system, meaning put in better resistors, 467 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: better energy exchangers and such. That's nothing in terms of 468 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: federal budget. Step two raising public awareness. We have to 469 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: with realistic material raise public awareness as to what EMP is, 470 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: Why does a threat? Why has to be paid for? Third, 471 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: anti ballistic missile. Our system somewhat anequated. We're starting to 472 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: build a better system. We got to build instant reaction 473 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: that can shoot systems down seconds after the detective and 474 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: the fourth one. We have to perform policy that says, 475 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: if we find you not only are thinking of doing it, 476 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: you're really going to do it, we'll do you first 477 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: and preemptive first strike, because there ain't going to be 478 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: any room for a return strike after the US. I've 479 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: been involved in the threat from electromagnetic pulse for many, 480 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: many years. I focused this issue because it's one of 481 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: the few that could literally end our civilization. As Bill 482 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: Fortune proves in his novel one second after a truly 483 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: effective EMP attack would shatter electric production everywhere. And that means, 484 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: for example, if your car happens to be on it 485 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: would shatter your car's ability to function. It means that 486 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have any electricity for your refrigerator, as all 487 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: sorts of implications. And I thought that it was very 488 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: important that we take this seriously because I know that 489 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians, and the North Koreans 490 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: are all trying to develop an offensive capacity to launch 491 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: an e MP attack. I think we have to fortify 492 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: our infrastructure. I've testified in front of the Senate to 493 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: that effect. I think that we have to take it 494 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: very seriously, and we have to methodically prepare ourselves as 495 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: a country so that we could survive an e MP attack. 496 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: And frankly, if you look at the Carrington event from 497 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty nine and you think about what the sun 498 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: could do, you want a nation which is designed to 499 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: survive a massive solar wave that would otherwise close down 500 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: virtually all of our operating systems. So I think it 501 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: is a very important topic. I'm delighted you listened, and 502 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: I hope you'll talk to your congressman and year senator 503 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: about why it's important that America deal with the MP 504 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: before is a crisis. Thank you to my guests, Doctor 505 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: William R. Fortune and doctor Peter Vincent Protte. You can 506 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 1: read more about Electromagnetic Pulse and order Fortune's best selling 507 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: books one second after, one day after, and the final 508 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: Day by visiting our show page at newtworld dot com. 509 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: Newtsworld is produced by Westwood One. Our executive producers Debbie Myers, 510 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: and our producer is Garnsey Slump. 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On 520 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: the next episode of Newtsworld, we're interviewing the author of 521 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: the new book Are Broken America Why both sides need 522 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: to stop ranting and start listening. With my guest and 523 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: my daughter, the author, Jackie Gingwich, Cushman. We hear so 524 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: many negative things about our nation today, and that's quite 525 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: frankly a challenge for us, and I think we really 526 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: need to change our national dialogue. Yes we have problems. 527 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm not saying we don't have problems, but if we're 528 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: constantly beating ourselves up as a nation, it's no wonder 529 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: that we don't make much progress. I'm new Gingwich. This 530 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: is News World, the Westwood One podcast network.