Speaker 1: Yo, yo yo. How's it going everyone, and welcome to
Speaker 1: another episode of nerdificent Ime one half of yo host
Speaker 1: if you wide away and sitting across from me as always,
Speaker 1: Jenny Fernandez, Hey, how you doing, Dainty? I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 1: Are you good? Do you see my shirt? Do you
Speaker 1: see my baby Yoda shirt? Yeah? You're already already locking
Speaker 1: in on the baby Yoda mercy. You have to tell
Speaker 1: people what it says. It says protect attack, snack, Yes, yea.
Speaker 1: Our buddy Rocom also has a baby Yoda pins Now
Speaker 1: he has one baby Yoda with the frog and snack
Speaker 1: in his mouth, and then he has the of course
Speaker 1: Boba fete where he's a boba like contained her. Did
Speaker 1: I tell you about my Etsy thing? How Like? I
Speaker 1: try to order it and I don't even think that
Speaker 1: it existed. I don't think that doll existed, like that
Speaker 1: was the only place you could get him. So I
Speaker 1: tried to order one on Etsy back on December and
Speaker 1: I never got it, and the person was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I sent my brother at the de sent it. I'm
Speaker 1: like no, how could you break my He was like, oh,
Speaker 1: do you just want to refund? I was like no,
Speaker 1: I would like I would like the baby, Yoda, thank you,
Speaker 1: I would like the child and he was like, oh um,
Speaker 1: and then I knew. I was like, you didn't even
Speaker 1: have probably made one. They're actually really hard to make, uh, Tino?
Speaker 1: Maybe I maybe I literally told this story last week.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I have lost track of time. We
Speaker 1: are both, we are both in a day's writing, um
Speaker 1: if he. We are joined today by one of our
Speaker 1: good friends. He's the author of Why We Love Star Wars.
Speaker 1: It's Ken Napsock. Hey. I am so thrilled to be
Speaker 1: here with you both, but also jealous of that shirt.
Speaker 1: I have another child shirt to I could it could
Speaker 1: fit over my head. That's about it. But I'll wear it.
Speaker 1: I'll well did you see I cut the arms out
Speaker 1: because I also could not fit. But you love Star
Speaker 1: Wars so much you wrote an entire book about it.
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, It's it's a it's a lifelong existence
Speaker 1: and I had the chance to write about it thanks
Speaker 1: to Mango Publishing, and and put my heart and soul
Speaker 1: in it, which is to me how I approached Star
Speaker 1: Wars heart and soul first, mind and analytical stuff later,
Speaker 1: heart and stuff, heart first, you and all of our
Speaker 1: friends that are Superstar Wars heads are always like very
Speaker 1: You're like who I think a Jedi would be, Like,
Speaker 1: You're just very sweet and you listen to everyone's opinions,
Speaker 1: and like, I feel like that is probably how we
Speaker 1: should all remember Star Wars. You and m A five,
Speaker 1: Ace Cabrera, even Mark ellis like those people who just
Speaker 1: like really love something so they just you know, they
Speaker 1: can have critical conversations about it but still have respect.
Speaker 1: I guess that's the word I'm looking. Yeah, we me
Speaker 1: Justice Scrimpton on Jennifer and I've been doing Fourth Center
Speaker 1: for five years under that kind of approach. Yeah, nothing
Speaker 1: about Star Wars is ever going to be perfect, Nothing
Speaker 1: is ever going to be the way you wanted. Celebrate
Speaker 1: what you love, engage with the story presented, and just
Speaker 1: also remember it's a silly space story, but not that
Speaker 1: doesn't also mean it doesn't mean the world to you,
Speaker 1: and you can move around the galaxy as as you
Speaker 1: want and have fun, have fun. Otherwise, why would I
Speaker 1: be here? Why would I write a book? If I'm
Speaker 1: like that's how people feel when I make fun of Goku. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gets so triggered by it. I'm like he's tattooed
Speaker 1: on my body. I can make fun of my wife,
Speaker 1: you know, Luke to be honest, Lucas Jesus. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: see you got it. That makes Yoda um holy spirit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I was about to say. I'm like, who
Speaker 1: is Yoda? Then? Who's Jus? Yeah, Judas would be. It's
Speaker 1: not Dark Earth, I guess, Oh yeah, who who turns?
Speaker 1: No one really turns. Yeah, there's we need that. It's
Speaker 1: a good Star Wars story. Jedi. I mean there's been
Speaker 1: jediut of turn, but like in the big screen, I
Speaker 1: want this now. Get right. We normally start our podcast
Speaker 1: with what we're geeking out about. We normally do. I
Speaker 1: think we'll let our guests go first. I was gonna go,
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, that's rude. We should let
Speaker 1: our guests go first. What are you seeking out about? Kid? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: here we got A'm gonna sound really old. The Graham
Speaker 1: of Beer has shown up lately. You mentioned his name.
Speaker 1: He's kind of a big jerk. Mark Ellis threatened me,
Speaker 1: challenge me, challenge me as the word, but I used
Speaker 1: threatened that I could not go do comedy with him
Speaker 1: until I completed watching the History of the Eagles documentary
Speaker 1: and I'm not like a huge Eagles fan, but I'm
Speaker 1: a rock fan and old rock DJ. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've always been and he's like, you must. So I
Speaker 1: started watching it. And even though I don't love this
Speaker 1: band and and and you know, I just it's four
Speaker 1: hours of drama. It's four hours of Twitter drama in
Speaker 1: the history of the band, and that just I love
Speaker 1: watching music documentaries. So the next night I was watching
Speaker 1: Echo in the Canyon, the Jacobilan Laura Canyon music scene.
Speaker 1: I watched another Lennon Yo go on one and it's
Speaker 1: just I'm right now. So it's been a few years,
Speaker 1: but I'm in a music doc and I don't have
Speaker 1: to love the band or be invested. At the end
Speaker 1: of it, you're invested. Are you going to make it
Speaker 1: to Fleetwood? Mac? You know? I mean that's I think
Speaker 1: ste everyone's screwing everyone in the studio and they're writing
Speaker 1: songs about it. I make Fleetwood with his tongue out drama. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bring this up a ton. But um Deef mccagan's
Speaker 1: autobiog autobiogra Griffy There We Go on Audible is actually
Speaker 1: really good. Worth it if you have an audible credit
Speaker 1: worth it um because he talks about you know them.
Speaker 1: It's also wild that they just like Craigslist didn't exist
Speaker 1: back then. But I think they were looking for a
Speaker 1: drug like they were looking he was he's a basis,
Speaker 1: but they were looking to put this band to They're
Speaker 1: like on the Classified or something, and they like they
Speaker 1: got together at canters Um and they had their girlfriends
Speaker 1: there and they had no money and they barely knew
Speaker 1: how to play. And I'm like, wow, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: just moving to Hollywood and barely knowing how to play
Speaker 1: and they're just kind of like figuring it out and
Speaker 1: then being one of the biggest bands of all times.
Speaker 1: But I love stories like that, and that's what I
Speaker 1: love those stocks. I love passing that that Delhi and
Speaker 1: Laurel Canyon, and that's where like Mick Fleetwood was looking
Speaker 1: for a guitar. Someone's like, hey, do you know Lindsey
Speaker 1: bugging m is like, I love that we live in
Speaker 1: that city where you can find that little little pocket. Also,
Speaker 1: they just did not have like they had nothing to eat.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy listening to it to be like they
Speaker 1: would have like one sandwich to have like throughout the
Speaker 1: whole day, I'm like, how your blood sugar not crashing?
Speaker 1: Just doing coke and like, I don't know smash cut
Speaker 1: to are are where we started episode when Danny was
Speaker 1: talking about eating sugar sandwiches while working at the ice house.
Speaker 1: Is that what I said? No? No, I forgot what
Speaker 1: you had? Struggle meal. Yeah. It was like tuna in
Speaker 1: a can. I would like section it off. I would
Speaker 1: eat half in the morning, half, like I was poor.
Speaker 1: Can we open up a business called Struggle Meal. I'll
Speaker 1: hook it up, you know. Look you'll get a hot
Speaker 1: link with with a piece of bread. Look, that's still
Speaker 1: a classic. I'll hit that up in regular das. I'll
Speaker 1: do Tina's burritos or those excellent to Molly's. You're like,
Speaker 1: oh this, there's nothing Mexican about this, but I'm about
Speaker 1: to put it. Yeah. There was this one guy bit
Speaker 1: king shout out to you in my discord who said
Speaker 1: that he had a thirty three cent, an eighty nine cent,
Speaker 1: and a like a dollar ten burrito in the discord
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, where'd you get it from? He
Speaker 1: was like, oh no. Some gas station people were like,
Speaker 1: oh no, your butt, Oh my gosh, but he report
Speaker 1: did to us UH this morning. He was like, my
Speaker 1: butt is full from the It's all right. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: were all scared. Uh. The thing that I'm getting out
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Speaker 1: and Alex Korea hold it down and I'll be popping
Speaker 1: my head in and bugging them throughout. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a good time. UM. Hopefully by the time this is
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Speaker 1: means Eastern time is later than that. Nice. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was like I can add three to all of these
Speaker 1: or just say later than that, and that's what I
Speaker 1: went with. What about you, Danny, What are you geeking out?
Speaker 1: I am geeking out about The Outsider, which is on HBO.
Speaker 1: It's a new show. I think it's about four weeks
Speaker 1: in now, and so glad that I saw people on
Speaker 1: Twitter talking about it, or else I would not have
Speaker 1: actually checked it out. Um. So it's based on a
Speaker 1: Stephen King novel. Actually, Jason Bateman is in it and
Speaker 1: he directed I think multiple episodes, or at least the
Speaker 1: first episode. Ben Mendelsohn is in it. It's really creepy.
Speaker 1: It's like a murder happens or people keep getting murdered
Speaker 1: and they can't quite figure out who is doing it
Speaker 1: because the people that are doing it um have like alibis.
Speaker 1: It was like, how could they they were on the
Speaker 1: other side of the country, how could they have murdered it?
Speaker 1: So it's like maybe, so when's impersonating them? Really wild
Speaker 1: and super creepy thriller, like just really well done. Definitely
Speaker 1: check it out. I kind of fella. I literally sat
Speaker 1: there and watched three hours worth of it when I
Speaker 1: was getting when I was catching up. So that's how
Speaker 1: good it is that I sat there. What I'm hearing
Speaker 1: it because I'm playing I'm playing video games and my
Speaker 1: girlfriend is it's worth checking now? I turned around every
Speaker 1: now and then it sounds great like fantasy action or
Speaker 1: is it's scary. Look, you can survive it if he
Speaker 1: don't look at look the Wikipedia says horror, don't look
Speaker 1: at it. Thriller. It's it's a thriller. It definitely is
Speaker 1: spooky enough, like it catches me for me a horror.
Speaker 1: Heead like it gives me like that extra little bit
Speaker 1: of like the Boogeyman in the bedroom, Like it just
Speaker 1: has a pinch of that. That's good. But it's very
Speaker 1: it's like a procedural like it's you know, they're tracking
Speaker 1: down this case. So it's very true detective ish, which
Speaker 1: is fascinating because it's on the same channel. Very true
Speaker 1: detective but where children are being murdered. If you're into that,
Speaker 1: well now I'm definitely gonna turn around. We'll be into
Speaker 1: You'll be into this anyways. It's it's great, it's great, riveting, riveting, riveting. Um.
Speaker 1: Today we are talking about a character again. We're breaking
Speaker 1: down Star Wars into little bits as we go so
Speaker 1: that we can actually digest little digestible days. Yeah, little
Speaker 1: digestible tasty bits. So we're not regurgitating things you've read
Speaker 1: over and over, researched over and over. We're just talking
Speaker 1: about some interesting things that people don't talk about often
Speaker 1: and characters and set trap. But today we're talking about Lando. Yeah,
Speaker 1: today we are talking about Lando. Yeah, Lando Calrisian the
Speaker 1: coolest mofo in the galaxy. And my humble opinion, like
Speaker 1: everyone you know growing up, like we're like, han, he's cool.
Speaker 1: Like now Lando was cool because he's sold Colt forty
Speaker 1: five and oh he's super smooth. Yeah, he is epitome
Speaker 1: of fashion. He set the trends. Capes had existed before,
Speaker 1: but then he shows up and it just becomes a thing.
Speaker 1: But now even in like Star Wars and capes Vader
Speaker 1: had one, Landoki comes in, but but he also, you know,
Speaker 1: Billy d just brings Billy Denis to everything he does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they actually updated his uh out for just a tad
Speaker 1: in the last film. Um and he's now in Star Tours.
Speaker 1: Super excited about that. I don't know if yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's not a spoiler because it's already out. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I got him. I went to uh, I went to
Speaker 1: Disneyland and he popped up and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that's so cool, that's awesome. That's not gonna yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember so oh my gosh, oh my gosh. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think it's going to take just a little little
Speaker 1: certain ing. But so I saw a Star Wars late life,
Speaker 1: you know, so I probably like I was an adult,
Speaker 1: but someone um on my old improv team Cherry spits,
Speaker 1: I was live tweeting it. This was early live tweeting too,
Speaker 1: this is before it was InVogue. But I was live
Speaker 1: tweeting my first viewing. And so I think I can
Speaker 1: find like my very first thoughts when I first saw Lando,
Speaker 1: I like just ran into it, like when I was
Speaker 1: looking for my old live journal and I still can't.
Speaker 1: I think they deleted it. It was it's probably for
Speaker 1: a good reason, but I wanted there was a show
Speaker 1: where like I was going through my old blog post
Speaker 1: when I was young, and um, oh this site is bad.
Speaker 1: I love when you go back to your live journal past. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's always fun. Well, I wanted to talk about his
Speaker 1: appearance and Empire. That's yeah, that's good. Yeah, do that.
Speaker 1: That's when we first saw him. Yeah, so in writing
Speaker 1: the Empire strikes Back Lucas initially considered at Lando Casan
Speaker 1: was a clone from a planet of clones, which caused
Speaker 1: the clone wars mentioned in The New Hope. An earlier
Speaker 1: trailer for the film introduced him as Landau cal Rision,
Speaker 1: So I guess they just didn't go with that. The
Speaker 1: idea that George had a set plan for his original
Speaker 1: trilogy is one of the most fun miss and Star
Speaker 1: Wars that is often lobbed at the sequel trilogy. Where's
Speaker 1: the plan? Where's the plan? George didn't care of his
Speaker 1: own plants. It just and and I think that's that.
Speaker 1: That's how writing and creativity should go, right, sketch it
Speaker 1: out in pencil, but to see where it takes you,
Speaker 1: see where your ideas take you. So yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 1: kind of talked about that when they were working on
Speaker 1: the last episode we just covered was fashion, and it
Speaker 1: was so fascinating because they were like, we didn't even
Speaker 1: know if this would air, Like they didn't even know
Speaker 1: if it was going to be a movie when they
Speaker 1: were done with it. So the fact that it ended
Speaker 1: up being what it is, it's kind of just I
Speaker 1: don't want to say out of luck because that sounds
Speaker 1: like it, but it's you know, it's kind of one
Speaker 1: of those things in the if I had come maybe
Speaker 1: ten years later, ten years before, who knows. It's like
Speaker 1: when you're eating a sugar sandwich and you don't know
Speaker 1: is going to be You just got to take that shot.
Speaker 1: So I I found it, and I will I'll read
Speaker 1: the the whole blog post in the swift. This is
Speaker 1: Empire Strikes Back for the first Yeah. Yeah. This is
Speaker 1: by my buddy James Stevieck on January two thousand ten,
Speaker 1: so over over a decade ago. I don't know how
Speaker 1: many of you know my friend associate. If you Shakuda,
Speaker 1: if he waddy Way, he is a member of my
Speaker 1: comedy group and a hugely funny guy. Recently, he admitted
Speaker 1: to the team he has never ever seen the original
Speaker 1: Star Wars trilogy. I sprung into action and got him
Speaker 1: Empire Strikes Back for Christmas. I know it seems blasphemous
Speaker 1: for me to start him on episode five rather than
Speaker 1: New Hope, but I really wanted him to start on
Speaker 1: the one, if not what I feel to be the
Speaker 1: best Star Wars of the original trilogy. Plus less we
Speaker 1: forget every single Star Wars movie opens with all the
Speaker 1: pertinent information the audience needs to know if is a
Speaker 1: good friend, despite the fact that we are utter opposites
Speaker 1: in many ways. For example, I abhor Twitter and other
Speaker 1: trindy internet fads, while if he tweets post more to
Speaker 1: Facebook than anyone else I know. I stand by my
Speaker 1: stance that no one on this planet is interesting enough
Speaker 1: to warrant a constant Internet feed of their every unyielding thought.
Speaker 1: But every so often Twitter offers a unique window into
Speaker 1: people's minds while they are at their most honest. The
Speaker 1: following are if he's tweets upon watching Empire for the
Speaker 1: first time and it's O, Lando, I don't trust you,
Speaker 1: and then damn you Lando. Yeah, well then there's also
Speaker 1: don't tell them anythings? Solo are two? Your loud ass alerted?
Speaker 1: Boba Fett? Can someone put three C three P O
Speaker 1: on mute chro s his arm got cut off? What
Speaker 1: happened to Luke's father? No, No, not true, that's impossible. No, No,
Speaker 1: I think I was leaning into that last one. It's
Speaker 1: pretty common knowledge that that invader, that vader is Luke's father. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, so that's uh, that's a that's a brave
Speaker 1: choice to start you there, but it worked up, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: worked out. Yeah, he was. He was firm on his
Speaker 1: belief that that's the better one that I like to
Speaker 1: that you start with, don't trust him, because that is
Speaker 1: kind of this big thing. I'm Billy de actually talked
Speaker 1: about a Star Wars celebration about the idea of you know,
Speaker 1: don't trust Landa. But really he's like, I'm surviving. And
Speaker 1: that's to me what I love about Lando as a character. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he is, he is surviving in this galaxy and
Speaker 1: he doesn't He's like, why should I trust haunt? Yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: and what do for me in mine? And what we
Speaker 1: were talking about on the Planets episode is like this
Speaker 1: his his like whole ship is manufacturing like weapons. So
Speaker 1: I mean, not only is his like life at risk,
Speaker 1: but also the his economy. You know, if he was
Speaker 1: to break up that relationship with the Empire, then then
Speaker 1: his that's not only his life he's ruining, He's ruining
Speaker 1: the life of the whole planet. He's got a lot
Speaker 1: of responsibilities on the shoulder, and his old buddy shows up.
Speaker 1: Hey man, I'm in trouble. Yeah I know, and look
Speaker 1: what you've done. He brought this to my doorstep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a whole and you stole my ship. When asked what
Speaker 1: made Lando so popular originally, Billy D. Williams responded, I
Speaker 1: think he's an interesting, fund swashbuckling individual with a lot
Speaker 1: of charm. He's like the old fashioned swashbuckling characters in
Speaker 1: the old films, Errol Flynn, and he's my personality. But
Speaker 1: apparently that didn't stop fans from lashing out at Lando
Speaker 1: for betraying Han. He said, quote, they don't cuss me
Speaker 1: out anymore for betraying Han. That's over now. I don't
Speaker 1: have little ten year old boys threatening my life. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's the real life Internet. Well, that's the Internet in
Speaker 1: real life though. And when I do these conventions, I
Speaker 1: run into people who were little kids when they first
Speaker 1: saw it, and they're bringing their kids. That is really sweet. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never directly thought of in that way of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he is. You know, Lucas was writing this serial adventure
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties type of movie with with New Hope and
Speaker 1: Empire comes along, and now we actually get kind of
Speaker 1: the debonair little wispy mustache like uh like uh, you
Speaker 1: know Douglas Fairbanks back in the day and that's that's
Speaker 1: that's that's actually real fascinating take from Billy D as
Speaker 1: as he would know. And one of the things that
Speaker 1: White Star Wars works so well back then is like
Speaker 1: you know, Princess latt Is, Carrie Fisher and and and
Speaker 1: it is. It's almost like pro wrestling where you find
Speaker 1: the character that's just yourself amplified and yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: strength is Billy D is Billy D. But he is
Speaker 1: a good actor. So it's translates so well on the screen.
Speaker 1: Here's a cool bit I want to talk about. So,
Speaker 1: the introduction of black men and women as leaders of
Speaker 1: their own stories cemented black exploitations popularity, and despite the
Speaker 1: genre's harmful themes such as physical and sexual abuse, hyper sexuality,
Speaker 1: linking blackness and inter city life to crime and drug use,
Speaker 1: and hyper masculinity, the genre, which created legendary films like Shaft, Coffee,
Speaker 1: Cleopatrick Jones, and super Fly, provided black actors and black
Speaker 1: audience as a way to Crew eight and consumed story
Speaker 1: starring black characters that would gain mainstream appeal. Several big
Speaker 1: names and entertainment participated in the genres development, like Sydney Portier,
Speaker 1: who started two sequels in the heat of the Night
Speaker 1: that would serve as a precursor to black exploitation. They
Speaker 1: called me Mr uh Mr Tibbs and the organization and
Speaker 1: you know this is also if if you're interested in
Speaker 1: this lane at all, Dolomite is my name kind of
Speaker 1: tackles that too, because it is like, this was a
Speaker 1: time where, yeah, you didn't have, you know, that much representation.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think we have it bad now,
Speaker 1: it was even worse than and this and yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of, uh, it's kind of cool that. Like, so now,
Speaker 1: by nineteen seventeen, Billy D. Williams was already a Hollywood
Speaker 1: nine nineteen seventeen, back before the pictures, you know, when
Speaker 1: it was silent. But yeah, by nineteen seventy two, Billy D.
Speaker 1: Williams was already a Hollywood star and a chief arbiter
Speaker 1: of cool for his roles in Brian Song and Lady
Speaker 1: Sings the Blues and it kind of sebmented him as
Speaker 1: a huge talent and uh, but he also started like
Speaker 1: black exploitation films like The Final come Down Hit and
Speaker 1: The Take, And even then, Williams still played like a
Speaker 1: compassionate hero looking for justice and so like to step
Speaker 1: out of that and to be in like a movie
Speaker 1: like Star Wars is such a big move because I
Speaker 1: think we talked about this. Actually this might have been
Speaker 1: a subject I talked about on who Shot You talk
Speaker 1: about movies too much? Uh, but like the idea of
Speaker 1: a quote unquote black film, and like you and and
Speaker 1: like for the longest uh you know, people say, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a black film, they don't have to see it.
Speaker 1: And the reason this actually came up was for a
Speaker 1: film called Tales from the Hood, which like even the
Speaker 1: name might suggest that it's something different, but like it's
Speaker 1: actually a poignant uh anthology, horror that actually deals with
Speaker 1: stuff still prevalent today. It was police brutality, it was
Speaker 1: you know, racist politicians because uh, Tales from the Hood
Speaker 1: came out like a year after Jeff's Sessions almost became president.
Speaker 1: Uh if you and if you don't remember that, and
Speaker 1: then also just uh black drug use. Uh, it's just
Speaker 1: all these things that affect in gang violence. And at
Speaker 1: the end of uh, so but it's we were kind
Speaker 1: of blown away because as a kid always was a
Speaker 1: horror movie and then like looking at it as an
Speaker 1: adult and being able to take in those themes. It
Speaker 1: blew me away that not more people saw it because
Speaker 1: it would be like a Jordan Peel esque level movie,
Speaker 1: but because it was kind of categorized that way. And
Speaker 1: to take it back to the point I was trying
Speaker 1: to make is to step out of that lane and
Speaker 1: to do something that's you know, quote unquote mass appealing
Speaker 1: like Star Wars is a huge step for a black actor.
Speaker 1: I mean you go back and look at New Hope,
Speaker 1: you look at the briefing room scene, and you're like,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a see a white um and you know,
Speaker 1: growing up, I just you know, actually you don't think
Speaker 1: of it now. We do now now, which is good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so so just on that surface level, the
Speaker 1: ability there. But I like what you said about what
Speaker 1: he wasn't just there. He had this power, this agency
Speaker 1: had things. He was he was a scene stealer. Like literally,
Speaker 1: I grew up my mother, My mother and father still
Speaker 1: married forty six years to celebrate him, the very conservative family.
Speaker 1: But I grew up my mother and a thing for Lando,
Speaker 1: So I grew up with the image if she was like,
Speaker 1: oh that's a that's a pretty man here in the
Speaker 1: background while I'm watching the tape again, don't want to
Speaker 1: watch the snow was like yeah, I get to get
Speaker 1: into the cloud City scene. It's like funny that he
Speaker 1: in this world, in this galaxy is a smuggler, not
Speaker 1: a male model. He could be. Um, well, let's talk
Speaker 1: about like Lando who for people that don't know him,
Speaker 1: we've kind of like glossed over that, but like what exactly?
Speaker 1: So he is a smuggler, um, but he does. He
Speaker 1: has a lot of traits. He's a jack of all trades.
Speaker 1: He's a gambler, uh, card player. Uh yeah, So can
Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit more about where he
Speaker 1: comes from and what he does? Sure, born on the
Speaker 1: planet SoCoRo. That never really factors and it almost got
Speaker 1: mentioned in Bryce the Skywalker, but um, he does. He
Speaker 1: What I love about Land of the character is he
Speaker 1: does transition from his youth gambling criminal underworld, but he
Speaker 1: also he kind of he's not He's not what I
Speaker 1: would call a criminal in Star Wars that you see
Speaker 1: in the movie Solo Han Solo wants part of that.
Speaker 1: Lando's kind of above that. He does things about that.
Speaker 1: But he's always been in business man. He's always been
Speaker 1: about himself because he has to be about himself. I
Speaker 1: think he looks around the galaxy and goes, no one
Speaker 1: else is going to help me. I gotta help myself.
Speaker 1: He's definitely he's not just a ladies man. He's a
Speaker 1: Aliens man. He is a whatever you know, Star Wars alien.
Speaker 1: He's all around there, droid maybe possibly, we don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, three days, So that's finitely part of his character.
Speaker 1: He uses it to his advantage of some great stuff
Speaker 1: in the Lando comic of five issue run came a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, where he is getting getting using
Speaker 1: his sex appeal to get his way with some imperial
Speaker 1: officers to to to to get himself some space. So
Speaker 1: he's always adjusting, he's always in the fly, but it
Speaker 1: is it comes with heart. I think that's that leads
Speaker 1: to a transition towards the end. There's a great a
Speaker 1: little one off story and an anthology series called from
Speaker 1: a certain point of view where he's kind of watching
Speaker 1: the news so to speak, about the blow the structure
Speaker 1: of the Desk Star and he sees the falcon and
Speaker 1: he's like, there's only one person that could fly like that,
Speaker 1: not just the ship, but like that, And he's like,
Speaker 1: what would make Han do something so outside of himself
Speaker 1: and it awakens something in him too that eventually comes
Speaker 1: into play. So I like like that Lando is always evolving.
Speaker 1: And then even in Rise of Skywalker, part of the
Speaker 1: themes of that movie are not being held to any
Speaker 1: category you think you're in or your past, um that
Speaker 1: you can make the choices to go for and you
Speaker 1: still have You're still viable to the story. Now where
Speaker 1: do we meet Lando. He's kind of given up, he's
Speaker 1: kind of become a hermit and he's like, I'm too old,
Speaker 1: my flying days are done. And his part of his
Speaker 1: journey is like, no, you still have this great value.
Speaker 1: And so he comes to that realization there. And I
Speaker 1: love that Lando is always kind of changing, but by
Speaker 1: still being Lando all the way through, it's pretty it's
Speaker 1: pretty cool, it's pretty powerful. Do we know anything about
Speaker 1: his family. We don't know much. We do know. There's
Speaker 1: a book called Last Shot by Daniel jose Older. It's
Speaker 1: very good. It's deals with Han and Lando kind of
Speaker 1: in three different parts of their lives, young, middle, and
Speaker 1: and towards a little bit after a force awakens era
Speaker 1: or before a force an excuse me um, and he
Speaker 1: does finally settle down and he finds I think it's
Speaker 1: a Twilight character, but I don't know if that's his
Speaker 1: final ever. Yeah, everybody into them, Thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: to in return the Jedi. Well, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: uh in the Mandalorian yes to tell you Tennis character right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh God, that's who I need. Characters have become
Speaker 1: that for Star Wars fans. But it's interesting. Then you
Speaker 1: got on the mail side bib for Tuna. That is
Speaker 1: appealing to Um, we've made fun of We did an
Speaker 1: entire episode with Joseph scrimshot Yoda and it was really
Speaker 1: funny because I was like, Yota, cute, Yattle, No, not
Speaker 1: so much. We'll see what the child grows up. We
Speaker 1: don't haven't. We haven't seen. He's not going to grow up.
Speaker 1: We'll be we'll all be dead by then. Um, we
Speaker 1: have to take a really quick break that we're gonna
Speaker 1: hop back into more Lando right after this. Hey everybody,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to Ardifficent. We're talking Solo. Danny's sitting
Speaker 1: across from me, and are not. We're talking Lando. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I've met Lando. We're talking Lando. Danny's sitting
Speaker 1: across from me. And well, it's because we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about so yeah, so we're talking solo about we're
Speaker 1: talking about Lando, and I guess it's kidnapsack. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: do you remember when do you all remember when Donald
Speaker 1: Glover was announced? I was there something that launched that before,
Speaker 1: like they were speculator. Yeah, there was like early speculation
Speaker 1: of Donald before it was confirmed. And I forget what
Speaker 1: set that off. I'm trying to think too. It might
Speaker 1: I think he was kind of known as a fan
Speaker 1: of it in a way. His work on community, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to give community to cause players something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just seemed when rumors of a Young Han solo
Speaker 1: movie came about, it was like, well, great, right, Donald
Speaker 1: Glover is gonna play Lando, right, and it just kind
Speaker 1: of the universe and the universe manifested it and it
Speaker 1: was great news. It just seemed so perfect, how fascinating.
Speaker 1: There's an I g N YouTube video from when they
Speaker 1: start when of the it came out last Yeah, well
Speaker 1: this was why Donald Glover is a good pick for
Speaker 1: Lando cow crazy and so clearly he was on people's minds. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: but if he do you remember it was a pretty
Speaker 1: good response from everyone him being cast. Yeah, oh yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: people were happy because I think it was one of
Speaker 1: that It was that weird thing nerds do where like
Speaker 1: something they they like they leaked it. It was enough
Speaker 1: time for people to like get excited and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we think, we think that's going to happen, and then
Speaker 1: they feel right when it's confirmed, so they're like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the one. That's also like, I think the thing
Speaker 1: with Lando is like, you know, Lando was like the
Speaker 1: coolest character of the time, and like this was back
Speaker 1: when it was announced, Donald was on fire and he
Speaker 1: was like the coolest black actor at the time, so
Speaker 1: it was just like, yeah, this is the equivalent of
Speaker 1: Billy D in the seventies. Let's go exactly and again
Speaker 1: it's going to come out. Even though he did a
Speaker 1: great job of channeling Billy D or a younger Abilly D,
Speaker 1: he definitely brought his own sensibilities to it, and I
Speaker 1: think that's obviously what you need to do it. I
Speaker 1: think Alac did a great job as well. I'll fight
Speaker 1: on that hill for for a long time, but his
Speaker 1: performances so but I think Donald Glover just brought that
Speaker 1: same energy where it's him, it's him, but it's a character,
Speaker 1: and so you're you're you're invested in him as well.
Speaker 1: There's actually a picture of Glover fixing the cape of
Speaker 1: his Lando Action figure when he was little. He said, quote,
Speaker 1: I had a doll that I slept with, the only
Speaker 1: black doll in the store that my mom bought for me,
Speaker 1: and my dad bought me Lando. Glover says, Oh, that's
Speaker 1: that's very true. It was probably the only one of
Speaker 1: the only black action figures that was available to kids
Speaker 1: at that time. Yeah, I mean running down the listen, Yeah, absolutely. Um,
Speaker 1: so refresh people about how him and Han become a thing. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's a thing. It's a thing. So in Solo, they
Speaker 1: need a ship. They need the fastest ship in the galaxy.
Speaker 1: Kira's uh, you know, we don't know if how well
Speaker 1: she knows Lando. She makes some jokes. She seems to
Speaker 1: know him pretty well. Uh, and he's retired. So they
Speaker 1: meet at the bar there. Uh and and the which
Speaker 1: I love Bradford young shot. That's so beautifully I I
Speaker 1: think Solo's best looking of New Star Wars films to me,
Speaker 1: just in terms of lived in kind of world. And
Speaker 1: so they meet there and he's he's done, he's out,
Speaker 1: But Tobias Peckett is there. What a Harlson's character and
Speaker 1: Tobias Beckett killed a bounty hunter or a sing that
Speaker 1: Landa's bronzis always in. That kind of starts the adventure.
Speaker 1: That's where they kind of meet up now in Cannon
Speaker 1: has established. Yeah, they had his outfit pretty much the same,
Speaker 1: but some slight tweaks to it. Donald actually said as
Speaker 1: far as dressing as Landol, he said, Lando is always
Speaker 1: the best dress person on that set. And I don't
Speaker 1: say that lightly. There's a lot of cool costumes and
Speaker 1: a lot of cool clothing. Lando's clothes, That's what I like.
Speaker 1: I was secretly super happy. I want to I'm sure
Speaker 1: you got to keep a bunch of it. His clothing,
Speaker 1: his clothing is another slice of life. He takes pride
Speaker 1: in the clothing and makes things easier. When people see
Speaker 1: you and your debonair, they tend to want to give
Speaker 1: you stuff easier. That is so true. If he do
Speaker 1: you notice that when I, Oh, I don't know if
Speaker 1: your girlfriend can also deals with this. But if I
Speaker 1: go into nordstrooms and I look like ship, nobody wants
Speaker 1: to talk to me if I take thirty minutes to
Speaker 1: put on my makeup, all of a sudden, I'm the
Speaker 1: richest person in that store. So funny, and that's a
Speaker 1: pretty woman, huge big yeah. Absolutely, maybe that's the trick.
Speaker 1: If you want to just go shopping and be left alone,
Speaker 1: you gotta go. Somebody recognized me at the Burbank Mall
Speaker 1: and I looked like ship I think, I tweeted, like,
Speaker 1: if you see me in like, my face looks like
Speaker 1: ass and it's just like all red and whatnot and splotchy,
Speaker 1: just like, you know, let's pretend we don't see each other. Um, anyways,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was okay, I don't even on my
Speaker 1: worst day, like a whole and it's fine. Um, I
Speaker 1: guess what because Billy do well. So then, like we said,
Speaker 1: Billy Do Williams came back thirties six years later Yeah
Speaker 1: roughly right, yeah, thirty six years later a blur. But yeah, um,
Speaker 1: why do you think people have resonated with this character
Speaker 1: for decades on end? I think for a lot of
Speaker 1: different reasons, some of the cultural reasons we've talked about
Speaker 1: and him being you know, the only black action figure
Speaker 1: in the eighties Yeah, that's pretty powerful for a lot
Speaker 1: of people, but also something like me, I you know,
Speaker 1: that's I'm this white kid in the suburbs. But I
Speaker 1: loved Orlando because he expanded the galaxy and the second
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the most Yoda the puppet.
Speaker 1: Literally you decided Lucas going, let's face the second film
Speaker 1: around a puppet. We'll shoot it, we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1: And then he brings in Billy Dee Williams. And to
Speaker 1: to continue the story, you have to expand the galaxy
Speaker 1: and have to feel so real. And I thought the
Speaker 1: chemist him coming on here. I think the successive Empire
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with Billy d making it
Speaker 1: just work and changing what we think of sequels and
Speaker 1: new characters coming on and and it changed his heart.
Speaker 1: You fall in over the Big three. Now you got
Speaker 1: this guy and he made it work. So I think
Speaker 1: that that was part of it. And then you know
Speaker 1: when when when episode seven starts happening in the word
Speaker 1: officially came out, he wasn't going to be part of it.
Speaker 1: That that wasn't just a case of absence made the
Speaker 1: heart grow fonder. Absence just kind of really stirred up
Speaker 1: a lot of passion for the character and well, why
Speaker 1: why would he not be there? And I I don't
Speaker 1: know why. An episode seven they could have they could
Speaker 1: have found a found a spot. I do agree with
Speaker 1: Ryan Johnson going there were spots in my movie I
Speaker 1: could have inserted him, but it would have been that,
Speaker 1: it would have been this cameo. And I I know
Speaker 1: it was tough for him. He's such a Star Wars fan.
Speaker 1: Ryan Johnson's he bleeds it. I I one the ones
Speaker 1: who was like, yeah, he could have been where Mos was.
Speaker 1: He could have been in the casino. But then what then,
Speaker 1: what does he do? I want more than that. I
Speaker 1: want more than him turning a weakened at the camera,
Speaker 1: and I think unfortunately we had to wait, but the
Speaker 1: weight paid off because I really do love his contributions
Speaker 1: to episode nine. God's so great. And now, like I said,
Speaker 1: he gets to live forever in Star Tours, the best
Speaker 1: best thing, you know, that's where we all want to
Speaker 1: end up, right, we just want to live in Star Tours.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, until you get older and you start get
Speaker 1: nauseated easier. It's it's the worst. I have to go
Speaker 1: sitting at the I can just do the Buzz Lightyear
Speaker 1: game over and over, but I can't Doastro last year. Uh.
Speaker 1: And one last thing about Star Tours is I had
Speaker 1: a friend who was like, I know the perfect seat
Speaker 1: and uh to always be picked as the rebels by
Speaker 1: They're like, it's this seat, is this seat? It's not
Speaker 1: the cast members choose it. And in the back they
Speaker 1: always seem to go to the right and they typically
Speaker 1: because you have because that's the easiest one to see,
Speaker 1: so it looks like it's always that one. But they typically, uh,
Speaker 1: if you will have like if you are mostly adults
Speaker 1: and we'll have a kid on another side, that's when
Speaker 1: you'll see it change because they typically try and make
Speaker 1: it a kid. But also remember it's a camera, so
Speaker 1: the bet the cameras still gonna be best for that section.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they pick in the back. They told me.
Speaker 1: Because I was really complaint. I was like, what is
Speaker 1: the seat too, you know, because when you work there,
Speaker 1: you're like and they're like they're like, oh, we pick it,
Speaker 1: and I was like why don't. Then it turned into like,
Speaker 1: why don't you ever pick me there because we have
Speaker 1: to pick kids, And I was like, all right, anyway,
Speaker 1: back to the Lando and yeah, yeah, and this is uh,
Speaker 1: this was this was solo kind of pushed the needle
Speaker 1: in a way because the dialogue and solo suggested that
Speaker 1: Lando is sexually interested in men women androids, including both
Speaker 1: Han and L three thirty seven, which if you don't remember,
Speaker 1: that was the thick droid. That droid was so thick.
Speaker 1: Yeah you don't remember, I do? Who have voiced again,
Speaker 1: Phoebe waller Bridge, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was my that
Speaker 1: was my hot pastor was that droid? But yeah. When
Speaker 1: they when they were asked about the scene where L
Speaker 1: three jokes about Lando's flirtatiousness towards Han, Uh, Lawrence Casting
Speaker 1: said that her personality and maybe it means something, maybe
Speaker 1: it doesn't, which feels like, oh well, we'll let you
Speaker 1: all decide um. But then co writer Jonathan Caston confirmed
Speaker 1: that Lando was panning sexual Staton. There is a fluidity
Speaker 1: to Donald and Billy we Billy Dee's portrayal to Lando's sexuality.
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have gotten a more explicitly
Speaker 1: LGBT character into this movie. I think it's time, certainly
Speaker 1: for that. And I love the fluidity sort of the
Speaker 1: spectrum of sexuality that Donald appeals to and that droids
Speaker 1: are a part of he doesn't make a find any
Speaker 1: hard fast rules. Like that tracks for me totally because
Speaker 1: there's like, if you remember from Dr Who Jack Harkness,
Speaker 1: who's by there's something about that like that is like
Speaker 1: the real like smuggler who is like not only good
Speaker 1: at like flirting with women, but also men, Like there
Speaker 1: is no one that this person can't charm and that
Speaker 1: and that is there. That's like super cool. Also it's
Speaker 1: great representation. Yeah, and it was super cool is that
Speaker 1: Billy d Williams, you know, came out as being gender fluid.
Speaker 1: And I just think it's so such a great time
Speaker 1: for nerds and people that look up to these characters
Speaker 1: to be able to have these conversations and honestly just
Speaker 1: have it be the thing that if he and I
Speaker 1: talk about a lot with these sci fi with anything
Speaker 1: that's fictional, it's like, why can't it just why does
Speaker 1: it have to be stuck to our archaic you know,
Speaker 1: rules and things that we like. It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like my argument with Game of Thrones,
Speaker 1: where people are like, well, it's just more like why
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of people of color. They're like,
Speaker 1: it's just more his oric. I'm like, there's dragons, there's
Speaker 1: not historical times, a real historical And then furthermore, that
Speaker 1: is a we've went I I always have to go
Speaker 1: down this uh this tangent. That is a B S
Speaker 1: excuse that is not true. Once again, check out the
Speaker 1: page Mythical Medieval POC that will show you paintings from
Speaker 1: medieval times featuring people of color, not just as slaves
Speaker 1: or servants, but in noble roles. Because that is true.
Speaker 1: There has been a clear white erasure in history. And
Speaker 1: educate yourself because the art proves it. Because the arts
Speaker 1: were selfies that they took back then. You know, they
Speaker 1: weren't just making it up. They were not pulling it
Speaker 1: out of their butt. They're like, oh, we're just gonna
Speaker 1: make them black. No, it's they're seeing these people in
Speaker 1: as nobles in these times, and the erasure has led
Speaker 1: you to believe it, Like come on, now, well, are
Speaker 1: you telling me that my grandmother's painting of Jesus that
Speaker 1: one is the that what I was gonna say that
Speaker 1: people I feel the people that have been down with
Speaker 1: us for like years have to hear this constantly but
Speaker 1: our new new followers is always good for them to know.
Speaker 1: But also and even when I look at like Grecian
Speaker 1: urns and they're like totally like I can't say what
Speaker 1: I want to say, they're totally banging each other and whatnot,
Speaker 1: they're just like more, you know. And so for me,
Speaker 1: the conversation that I see often on these forums is
Speaker 1: with these with these films and including with Rise of
Speaker 1: Skywalker and uh and The Last Jedi, is well, they're
Speaker 1: shoving it in our face or they're shoving it down
Speaker 1: our throats. And I'm like, no, that's actually just how
Speaker 1: the world is. It's just we've been we've been really
Speaker 1: complicit slash like used to a certain type of media,
Speaker 1: a certain type of character that's heterosexual or whatever, this
Speaker 1: particular color. But that's actually just the rest of the world.
Speaker 1: And especially if they're in this sci fi there's no
Speaker 1: reason that they wouldn't have that it wouldn't be as
Speaker 1: diverse or even more diverse, to be honest, than our
Speaker 1: view of the world. So it says it says a
Speaker 1: lot if if you hear the idea in John cast
Speaker 1: and did get some heat too, by the way, when
Speaker 1: he said that because a lot of we're like, well,
Speaker 1: you're saying it now, it's not in the movie. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: there might be some real world reasons why the the
Speaker 1: The Kiss and Rise of Skywalker is easily edited out.
Speaker 1: That's uh, you know, probably for for markets, and it's
Speaker 1: not the answer we want to hear, but that's why,
Speaker 1: you know, that's where're at right now. Also, I sometimes
Speaker 1: say the first steps sometimes a leaf leap, sometimes it's
Speaker 1: a shuffle, but hey, at least we've gotta step, you know.
Speaker 1: Then there's bigger conversations having that. But particularly with Lando,
Speaker 1: there was obviously going to be how dare you make
Speaker 1: my landou like a man? And I'm like, but I
Speaker 1: think you just said. If I said Lando is going
Speaker 1: to have sex with that four armed uh elephant alien
Speaker 1: or something that we're going to create the movie, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, well, yeah, Lando gets around. But because we're like, hey,
Speaker 1: he might might like han, you're like, my bad, and
Speaker 1: it's like they come on. And plus you're in a
Speaker 1: crowded theater. Someone in that EAD's got a different view
Speaker 1: than you and a different experience. Welcome to the rest
Speaker 1: of the world. Yeah. Um, one one final thing I
Speaker 1: wanted to say about Solo about the film with Donald
Speaker 1: Glover joining it, he said, on the advice he received
Speaker 1: from Billy D Williams, he said, quote just be charming,
Speaker 1: which was perfect. That's it. He said. It really made
Speaker 1: it super simplified with playing a character that's already established.
Speaker 1: That's true. Uh, there's a fear of overthinking and comparing
Speaker 1: yourself to be able to just go be charming, it's
Speaker 1: really helpful. Actually, I love to you mentioned that there's
Speaker 1: that shot that leaked out around that time of he
Speaker 1: at Donald Glover and Billy D Williams like having lunch,
Speaker 1: and I was like, there's the two coolest people in
Speaker 1: the galaxy just sitting there chilling talking about Lando. Well,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that Donald Glover never expected to be
Speaker 1: you know, same with how he's influenced the Spider Verse
Speaker 1: AND's like he never probably intended to and now he's
Speaker 1: changed the lives of so many people. Yeah, we have
Speaker 1: to take a really quick break and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: hot more into Lando Cows right after this. All right,
Speaker 1: all right, and welcome back to Nertive Ascent. Today we're
Speaker 1: talking Lando. I got Danny Fernandez across from me and
Speaker 1: to my right, kidnapsock. How you doing, I'm doing great.
Speaker 1: This is fun. That's been a great set up, a
Speaker 1: great show. Good vibe, grape juice for me. I know
Speaker 1: you got you got the good vibes. And you know
Speaker 1: I can't let this episode in without talking about a
Speaker 1: t a T shirt. It's done in the style of
Speaker 1: a C d C. And your Lando pen land O pens.
Speaker 1: My friends at Black Serves Rebels, Steve and Alex and
Speaker 1: they put out these unlicensed but people at Lucasfilm love
Speaker 1: them pens, so we're safe. Uh, And they put this
Speaker 1: one out around the time, so it's it's it's because
Speaker 1: it's a parody toy. It's called land Landino. Y oh
Speaker 1: my god. It sounds like he's in Greece or something.
Speaker 1: Um did you see. I don't know if you saw,
Speaker 1: but I tweeted I was watching I was watching the NFL.
Speaker 1: I was watching a football game and they have a
Speaker 1: little pin that looks just like Lando. I literally took
Speaker 1: a picture and I tweeted it. I'm like this straight up,
Speaker 1: I thought this was a Lando cow And I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's so dope. They're just letting them wear whatever they
Speaker 1: want now. But I guess it's a it's an award.
Speaker 1: I'll have to find it because then I later, of
Speaker 1: course Mark Ellis was like, this is a blah blah
Speaker 1: blah award, but um, I'll show it to you and
Speaker 1: you'll be like exactly powers And anyways, Iffy, sorry, didn't
Speaker 1: mean to cut you off. Please continue with our Nando discussion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think now is a good time to talk
Speaker 1: about the future. Like I know, I know, you know,
Speaker 1: people are like, well, you know what it ended with Rise,
Speaker 1: that was the clothes. But we also have the obi
Speaker 1: Wan series. It's going to be a series, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we want series coming out, so I think they're not
Speaker 1: done telling stories connected to it. But I think the
Speaker 1: trilo g as we know what has done in anything
Speaker 1: we see will probably be stories connected and probably further after,
Speaker 1: maybe even further before, who knows. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ground to touch. I mean, like
Speaker 1: we set the planet that he's from, we don't even
Speaker 1: see or really hear that much of so I mean
Speaker 1: that alone would be interesting. There's a lot of room
Speaker 1: to go with the character in the past, you know,
Speaker 1: going forward. I'm sure Billy d would do it for
Speaker 1: the toil the end of his days. If you want
Speaker 1: to do a limited series, uh, you know, old man Lando,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll over that. There's some I think some
Speaker 1: pointed stuff at the end with him in Janna and
Speaker 1: uh naomi Aki's character, and and and there's it's strongly
Speaker 1: and I think they were gonna go with that was
Speaker 1: his daughter. They decided not to. Might have been too
Speaker 1: much one bit more of story information in an already
Speaker 1: crowded film. I thought it was a pretty powerful point,
Speaker 1: a moment of just discovery. Um, this character who had
Speaker 1: been taken against her will to serve in an army,
Speaker 1: uh and broke free of that. And she doesn't know
Speaker 1: herself often and here's Lando who's been spending a galaxy
Speaker 1: discovering who he is. I thought it was a pretty
Speaker 1: powerful moment. So you could go forward, but I think
Speaker 1: you'd go back. Like I mentioned, last shot by Daniel
Speaker 1: jose Older, it deals a lot with him. There's a
Speaker 1: couple of comics. There's a younger Lando comic based around
Speaker 1: Donald Glover his version of Landa that goes right up
Speaker 1: into solo, and there's one of five issue series. I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot. I think him going around the
Speaker 1: galaxy with Luke Skywalker as he hinted at and rest
Speaker 1: a guy Walker. You tell me you wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: take an animated series voiced by Billy d Mark Mark Hamill.
Speaker 1: You know, Umo, A lot of people talk about the
Speaker 1: d aging technology. I don't know if you did it.
Speaker 1: Of course, there's a lot of a lot there and
Speaker 1: young and and the idea of I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: tough to say what some of the performers, what the
Speaker 1: relationship is with the franchise right now after they're in it.
Speaker 1: It seems like right now boy Aga and Oscar as
Speaker 1: they can really they're like, we're good, We're good. For bed,
Speaker 1: thank you, We're good. H We'll see. But you know,
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford was like, let me out, and now he
Speaker 1: came back and came back in a great way. So
Speaker 1: who knows. Donal Glover I don't know. I don't get
Speaker 1: the feeling either way that he hates or hates it
Speaker 1: or regrets it. I think he liked it, would love
Speaker 1: to do it again. I wonder if he would do
Speaker 1: like a Disney Plus series kind of like you were
Speaker 1: talking about, and just do a four four episode limited run. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Lando out and about in the galaxy and something. I
Speaker 1: mean that people would love. The Mandalorian is really good.
Speaker 1: I'm very biased, but it's really good. How much How
Speaker 1: much money are they putting in that per episode? I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly millions it is, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a secret. Fever did not get as
Speaker 1: much as he wanted. So in the second season, maybe
Speaker 1: he'll get what he wanted. What do you mean, like
Speaker 1: like he asked, they asked for a lot, They asked
Speaker 1: for the Game of Thrones type, and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a lot, but we'll see. And so
Speaker 1: I think the first season because it's so successful, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think now he's playing with house money. Back in
Speaker 1: the day, like now everyone's talking about how television is,
Speaker 1: like what's what's the thing now? You know it was movies,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people are moving. Even the movies
Speaker 1: are now on on the streaming platforms and that's like
Speaker 1: what's being nominated. So back in the day, I would say, like, no,
Speaker 1: he should, They should have a Lando movie, which absolutely
Speaker 1: they should. But I really think that he could do
Speaker 1: a series and that would crush, Like he's such an
Speaker 1: interesting performer right, Donald Glover, So imagine what he could
Speaker 1: do with this character for episodes, six episodes, it's all,
Speaker 1: it's all I need, give me eight ten, twenty two
Speaker 1: like the old days. But uh story you mentioned storytelling
Speaker 1: has changed and how we as an audience consume it.
Speaker 1: So the Kenobi series, which was It's still gonna happen
Speaker 1: and then all the stuff about dead, don't worry about
Speaker 1: that stuff too much. It was gonna be a movie.
Speaker 1: It was gonna be this, and I'm glad. I I
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm saying it is a long time Star
Speaker 1: Wars fan. I'm glad it's gonna be a TV series
Speaker 1: not a movie because then less pressure on it. I
Speaker 1: can go to a movie and I don't have to
Speaker 1: go to a movie theater and hear people behind me
Speaker 1: going start we're stupid and I get into fights. I
Speaker 1: can just enjoy it home on my sweatpants, like most
Speaker 1: of my life. So if they were to do that
Speaker 1: with Lando, you could really just explore the character, have fun,
Speaker 1: introduce some things, maybe really put some of those concepts
Speaker 1: of u uh Lando's dating life down on paper and
Speaker 1: put it on screen and really kind of do that
Speaker 1: be good we'll see I think a lot of it.
Speaker 1: Mandalorian has been a home run. Uh, we'll see what
Speaker 1: the other two, Cassian and and Canobi do and they'll
Speaker 1: be good. Wait when is Cassian coming out? I heard
Speaker 1: this m is finally of the release date. I think
Speaker 1: we're looking at some point in one. I think Mando
Speaker 1: Mando Season two will be out before those um and
Speaker 1: you've got um you know, dig Aluna leading that one,
Speaker 1: and it's going to be great. I wanted to circle
Speaker 1: back and the pin that I was talking about is
Speaker 1: the Walter Payton Man of the Year, and you can't
Speaker 1: always Walt doesn't look like a land Open well uh yeah, no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: uh if he does that, Yeah, there's this. I mean,
Speaker 1: I grew up not funny, and I grew up in
Speaker 1: the eighties me so old. But I would say in
Speaker 1: a weird way, Walter Payton and Billy d give off
Speaker 1: some of the same old vibes and just like cool,
Speaker 1: smooth and and someone you admired to Walt Walter Payton,
Speaker 1: who did pass away I mean on and off the field,
Speaker 1: well respected. So yeah, that's that's funny. Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: I'm still when I see them wearing it, when I
Speaker 1: see Drew Brees with it, I'm just gonna be like, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly what it is. It's a Billy do Williamspen,
Speaker 1: Billy Williams Fen. We all need just Billy d Williams Spence.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad he's got the second go around. I'm
Speaker 1: glad he got this second gust of Lando love. He
Speaker 1: deserves it. Iffie, how are you feeling. I'm feeling good.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling juiced up on some Lando energy. Might go
Speaker 1: look at pics of a droid tonight. Wow, it works,
Speaker 1: it works. I know I need to go rewatch Solo.
Speaker 1: It was solid, but yeah, they have the skins for it.
Speaker 1: Was funny because in Battlefront, to the the skins for
Speaker 1: young Lando as Donald and Solo the actor, I was like, now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep it Harrison Fort Yeah, yeah, I'll change
Speaker 1: it the glover, but I'm keeping Yeah. I love dude,
Speaker 1: the billy. He voiced him in Rebels, he voiced him
Speaker 1: in the in the game. He has a lot of
Speaker 1: pride and ownership in that character, as he should. But
Speaker 1: it's good to see, good to see, you know, the
Speaker 1: same with Anthony Daniels. Will see three po but he'll
Speaker 1: he'll voice three po. If you called Anthony Niels right now,
Speaker 1: you can do with three pos voice for five bucks
Speaker 1: as he should. But I think we've gushed about him. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: a side, uh funny story I'm gonna say really quickly,
Speaker 1: is that our friend Nick Ross was stayed with me.
Speaker 1: He's from Canada and the Federal Bar, which is a
Speaker 1: bar here in l A. It's great. They have great
Speaker 1: tater tots as well. They have sweet potato tater tots,
Speaker 1: but they serve them with maple syrup. And so they
Speaker 1: set the tater tots down in front of him, and
Speaker 1: he has again a Canadian accent, and then they take
Speaker 1: this thing of maple syrup and they just dump it
Speaker 1: all over. And I was like, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: thought they did it because of him, like hey, welcome,
Speaker 1: welcome to America. A. Anyways, it was really funny. Um.
Speaker 1: I just love that, I hope, and I wanted every
Speaker 1: restaurant to do that to him, just like put his
Speaker 1: steak down and then take out maple syrup and just
Speaker 1: pour it all over. If he where, can everyone catch
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