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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: This is the show where we unpack our old episodes

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Speaker 2: from our twenty eighteen Suitcase plus case updates.

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Speaker 1: Today we're rewinding the episode one oh two, which we

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Speaker 1: named Decompressions.

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Speaker 2: This episode originally came out on January fourth, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it. The intro of episode

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Speaker 1: one oh two.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, and welcome to Do you know what our

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Speaker 2: favorite murder is? I just ran up the new name

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Speaker 2: of a podcast? Do you know what? I was saying? No?

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Speaker 2: Do you need a rhyme? We can start? Sorry?

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I was going to say how it feels like

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Speaker 1: it's been a while?

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Speaker 2: It's been? Oh no, sorry, that's quite a vacation. My

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Speaker 2: favorite murder Jesus Christ. Like, I haven't done that one

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Speaker 2: in a while either. I felt like I've been I

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Speaker 2: only have one podcast now, so if I had gotten

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Speaker 2: it wrong, I would have been a that would have

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Speaker 2: been really hurtful. Yeah. How is it just having your

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Speaker 2: own podcast? I feel so free? What's your next podcast

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Speaker 2: going to be?

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to do something with more homework, even

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to do something where all all I

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Speaker 1: do is homework.

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Speaker 2: That's a good idea. Just quiet pencil, pencil on paper, sound,

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Speaker 2: just constant work working like more of an a SMR. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't ever think I'm saying that right, but but.

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Speaker 1: I have to actually do the work, so I have

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Speaker 1: even less time to do anything.

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Speaker 2: Good idea, you should you just go into some like math,

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Speaker 2: like long division, Like where would you leave off in math?

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Speaker 2: Would you like to get back to in math?

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't even know the basics.

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Speaker 2: Addition, I can do that you could do some basic Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I saw a really cool video about how and from

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Speaker 2: what I remember, it said, people, I think in Japan

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Speaker 2: do multiplication of long numbers. Yeah, and it was like

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Speaker 2: it looked like they were making a tic tac toe box?

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Speaker 2: Did you see that video? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And what drives me crazy about it is that it's

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Speaker 1: that thing of like people learn in different ways. We

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Speaker 1: don't all have this one way of learning. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm mad at the public school.

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Speaker 2: System because they haven't adapted to anything modern.

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Speaker 1: Because I didn't get it, and so then I was

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Speaker 1: stupid Instead of like that, maybe I just needed to

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Speaker 2: Right, like how to either a a better teacher, be

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Speaker 2: a better approach, right or better? You know?

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Speaker 1: I think nowadays they have a lot more what's the

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Speaker 1: word Montessori?

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Speaker 2: Shit? No, and I went to Montosori. I did too.

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Speaker 1: My god, it didn't work for you? I mean work

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Speaker 1: in what way?

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Speaker 2: I learned how to?

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Speaker 1: I learned how to wash my feet at the washing

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Speaker 1: feet station? Well, it's a washing feed station.

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Speaker 2: Were you of the old West?

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Speaker 1: I just remember it, like there's like the chalk's chalk

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Speaker 1: That is so weird now that I'm talking about it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't need to talk to my sister about this.

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Speaker 2: Were you this is an irvine? Yeah? Did you have goats? Now?

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Speaker 2: Were there any Was there any reason I have a

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Speaker 2: bucket besides children's dirty feet? No? Was your teacher germophobe? Probably?

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Speaker 1: I think she must have had an issue with dirty

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Speaker 2: Why were your shoes off?

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Speaker 1: I don't know school Again, I'm figuring out right now

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Speaker 2: I'm calling Janet.

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Speaker 1: Call Janet and ask her right now, I told you

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Speaker 1: how I was supposed to go to therapy with my mom? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: did I tell you that I gave her the wrong

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Speaker 2: Was she pissed? No, it was fine. We ended up

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Speaker 2: making up anyways. Well that's good. Yeah, I mean that's

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Speaker 2: what counts. Do you think that subconsciously you may have

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Speaker 2: done that so you didn't have to do it? Definitely? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Don't you think that's usually why I do stuff like that?

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Speaker 2: And now it's so over to me that I might

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Speaker 2: But that's not normally, that's not I don't want to

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Speaker 2: But normally that's just I can't get that fucking calendar

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Speaker 2: never do it. Yeah, it's a tricky little fucker. It

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Speaker 2: goes backwards in time. Have I talked about this? It

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Speaker 1: You had a recommendation, didn't you?

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Speaker 2: Oh you know, we got Stephen. Stephen pulled this the

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Speaker 2: email for h uh in Louis In reference to Visa

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Speaker 2: V episode one hundred. Hey y'all includes everyone in their

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Speaker 2: goddamn animals. First off, love the show. I've been listening

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Speaker 2: since after episode three. Went to the live show on

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Speaker 2: Austin used to play poker with David Temple for two years.

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Speaker 2: This is after he allegedly murdered his wife. Yep. Wow.

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Speaker 2: I'm also obsessed with the yogurt shot murders anyway, So

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Speaker 2: that's not even about what this is about. Okay, Karen

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Speaker 2: said an asteroid came three miles from Oh no, you

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Speaker 2: just say no more. I just don't even say anything else.

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Speaker 2: It's so good.

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Speaker 1: As you say that, I'm like, that's impossible.

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Speaker 2: No, three mile. Here's the thing, and some people get

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Speaker 2: very pizzed off about this. We just fucking say what

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Speaker 2: say shit, We just say whatever and then clean up

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Speaker 2: the mess after. Some people are very bothered by that.

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Speaker 2: But man, that's funny. How far up is like the ozone?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's probably more than three miles.

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Speaker 1: And as you said it on the podcast, then I

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Speaker 2: And then the minute that came out of your mouth,

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Speaker 1: Like, no, just now, but not I don't question you

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Speaker 2: My whole act is. It's just very believable bullshit taking.

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Speaker 2: And who am I to question? I mean, who are

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Speaker 2: you of all people to question me? The queen of Spain? Okay,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know math three miles you and your

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Speaker 2: dirty bucket feet? Never question me? Okay, okay, no, go ahead,

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Speaker 2: shoot this day. I can't go barefoot. No, I have

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Speaker 2: a barefoot issue. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: What did fucking village Montessori do to me?

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Speaker 2: What did they do to your feet? Who was on

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Speaker 2: the bottom of that bucket? Who hurt my feet? Rub

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Speaker 2: in your feet? Ew? Sorry? Back to the asteroid okay, anyway,

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Speaker 2: Karen said, an asteroid came three miles from hitting the earth,

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Speaker 2: but sorry, asterix pushes up nerd glasses. But it was

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Speaker 2: a three mile wide asteroid that came six point four

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Speaker 2: million miles close. I think that sounds more right. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna go with her whatever she said. Does that sound better?

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Speaker 2: I'm on her side. Quite Oh, you're being sexist by

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Speaker 2: assuming it's a female scientist and being pro sexist. That's right. Finally,

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Speaker 2: proactive sexism quite a bit of a difference, but I

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Speaker 2: get it. Live your sexy life like an asteroid is

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Speaker 2: about to straight up murder assault. This would be great

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Speaker 2: for corrections corner. You're so racket about that. All the

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Speaker 2: best and lots of love. Brian, that's rad Brian, Brian

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Speaker 2: the girl now he has He also has a second

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Speaker 2: name in the middle. That's also a boy's name. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so I can confirm Brian as a boy.

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Speaker 1: Well I don't. I am not sexist. So I thought

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Speaker 2: I thought it was my daughter. That is so goddamn funny.

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Speaker 2: That is great, It felt right. Yeah, is he man's

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Speaker 2: planning asteroids to us though? Well, it clearly we need it.

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Speaker 1: He's explaining, I'm sorry, he's meant to say explaining.

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Speaker 2: He's plain explaining it, to explain it postph e'splaining, straight

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Speaker 2: up explaining. That's my new podcast where people explain shit

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Speaker 2: to me. Oh that's good, straight up. You just introduce it, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: until this point. It's a real humbling experience through the podcast. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I wonder do you in your daily life. Now,

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Speaker 2: But I don't. I mean, like, usually, if somebody stands

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Speaker 2: It's happened so many times, and I'll be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll do that, But and sometimes I can see

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Speaker 2: it in my mind's eye of like I can see

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Speaker 2: the headline in my head it says three miles away.

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Speaker 2: But that's also my add from being on Twitter too

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Speaker 2: much and reading articles. I just read four words in

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Speaker 2: the headline of an article, Karen, I can't do Twitter

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Speaker 2: anymore because it's just killing it is it driving you crazy?

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Speaker 1: It's awful now, it's really I just can't do it anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's making me really depressed. It's very depressing. My problem

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Speaker 2: as tragic as that is to.

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Speaker 1: Say out loud, So maybe you just can have conversations,

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Speaker 1: but I just like read shit.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's I don't I try not to read

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Speaker 2: that much, Okay, and when I do, I do it inaccurately. Okay. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: I mean listen if it's working for you. Look, I

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Speaker 2: if you're comfortable doing some resolutions right now. I did it.

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Speaker 2: But as we say this, because part of why I

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Speaker 2: I haven't really talked to another person in like three

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Speaker 2: couch watching British people solve crime for like seventy two

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Speaker 2: I have to. I have toriving you crazy. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: I have to leave my house. I have to give

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Speaker 2: the world a try, like I have to do things.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: You've already done that, yes or no? True, it's been bad.

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Speaker 2: Failed you. You've been sick, yes or no? Yes, very sick.

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Speaker 1: See you just went like two weeks with family members

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Speaker 1: constantly and friends.

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Speaker 2: That's right, you're having a decompression. Okay, thank you, thank

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Speaker 2: you for walking me out of that darkness. Yeah. But

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Speaker 2: you know what, My decompressions go on too long. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then yeah, and then I'm just in the weirdest

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Speaker 2: and just too weird of a place. But I would

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Speaker 2: also say that I've been on a six year decompression

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Speaker 2: but needs to wrap itself up relatively quickly. Can we

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Speaker 2: start on Friday?

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Speaker 2: Can we say Friday? Write that down in your how

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Speaker 2: about Friday eleven? And then we have that phone call

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Speaker 2: etleven thirty right? Perfect?

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Speaker 1: And then you have to I actually had to hire

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Speaker 1: or like have my old life coach come back, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I was fucking up hard like that. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: one of the things we talked about was just put

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Speaker 1: Or that's what my like falling asleep routine was. And

433
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: The Strange Unusual podcast is still going strong, and they've

434
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: got really like some great episodes recently about like ten

435
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: things in the Appalachian Woods that shouldn't be there, Like.

436
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: What a great thing to fall asleep to.

437
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: So good, but I have definitely had to turn them

438
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 1: off because they've been too scary to fall asleep too before.

439
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, those ones are serious. Also, John Ronson he made

440
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 2: a podcast series called Things Fall Apart in twenty twenty one,

441
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: and it's about the modern culture war. I bet it's

442
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: a fascinating listen now in twenty twenty six. Oh my god,

443
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 2: for sure? Is it twenty twenty six already? It is? Yeah,

444
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 2: it's June. That's ridiculous. You're lying. I don't believe you.

445
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: I would never lie on a podcast only privately.

446
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: The faux true crime podcast name Done Disappeared still cracks

447
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 1: me the fuck up.

448
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 2: Done disappeared all.

449
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: These years later, and it's so funny because like it

450
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: was so new that like it was okay, like we

451
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 1: were making fun of it.

452
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 2: It's too big, everyone's got one.

453
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: But it's like, oh, just you wait, it's gonna get

454
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: even sneap, just to wait.

455
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: Done this little trend twenty eighteen.

456
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, our stories are a couple of heavy hitters.

457
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that we did these in the same episode.

458
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 2: It's very intense. Yeah, it's very intense.

459
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: I didn't either, because I still think about yours all

460
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: the time.

461
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 2: So we're still going Georgia and I self, I think,

462
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: self researching and self produce. So there's no like, no

463
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 2: wiser global look at anything, no structure's eye. Yeah, but

464
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think people like that. I just

465
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: think that's why we.

466
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: End it on good things.

467
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 2: We just don't do that anymore, right Well, And also

468
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: I think there's not that many of these insane serial

469
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: killers style horrible like these are some of the worst

470
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: of the worst. The Beast of Jersey is I think

471
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: the most one of the most disturbing serial killer stories there.

472
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: Is because a mask wearing a mask, right and like.

473
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 2: And a choker necklace of spikes and wristlets of spikes,

474
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: so no matter where you grab them to get them

475
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: away from you, you hurt yourself. It's just insane.

476
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: Also lived a totally normal public life. That's what's like.

477
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: That couldn't it's a tiny village on the island, and

478
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 2: they couldn't figure out who it was.

479
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: Because it's got to be someone you know, if it's

480
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, everyone on this island.

481
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god, let's get into it.

482
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's hear karen story about the Beast

483
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: of Jersey.

484
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: Edward paynew mine and I had never heard this story before. Okay,

485
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: this is more of a story, more of a case,

486
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: more of a personality, because there's I don't think there's

487
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: an actual murder that they know of. This is the

488
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 2: Beast of Jersey. Have you ever heard of the Beast

489
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: of Jersey? No, Okay, gets fucking ready. I'm fucking ready,

490
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: okay and willing great. I excuse me, both of your

491
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: feet are in the budget. I'm gonna suck my pant

492
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: in a bucket. I get myself ready. Just we kick

493
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: off an episode with you having recovered memories, and we

494
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: just blaze right through it. We just keep on chatting.

495
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm clearly doing okay with.

496
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 2: You're just doing it. I'm just doing it okay. So

497
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: the Beast of Jersey, his name is Edward Paynew or

498
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 2: pay Now, I'm not sure. And this story I stumbled

499
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: upon it on a as we know, we love the

500
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: website Ranker and Ranker is in there with all those

501
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: serial killers and the serial killer fifteen most interesting things

502
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: about this and that and whatever, and so at the

503
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: at the bottom of one of those lists, they have

504
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: additional lists where it's like this this, all these links.

505
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: It's like, thank you for my insomnia. Yeah, it's amazing.

506
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's all the fifteen horrible things about the

507
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: toy box killer. It's every terrible thing you could ever

508
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: look at. Love it. So on there I found the

509
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: Beast of Jersey, which I'm like, I assume New Jersey.

510
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 2: And when you look it up on YouTube, there is

511
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: a guy who who starts his videos start coming up

512
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: as the Beast of Jersey, but he is a weightlifter

513
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: in New Jersey. Oh, it's just like swoll and yoked

514
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 2: and all the other things you'd say himself. The Beast

515
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: of Jersey well, I mean I think it's like, you know,

516
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: that's the language of like he's in beast mode working out.

517
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: I didn't google it, He's google it. This one's from

518
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies. So he's like, I'm the right. Okay,

519
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 2: that's that's long enough ago. He didn't give a shit. Yeah,

520
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: he looks great in a tank top. He's doing good work.

521
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: Good for him. I respect it. Good for him. Twenty eighteen,

522
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: this is this year. That's right. I can feel it.

523
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: So guys, please go to Beast of Jersey YouTube channel

524
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: and just support him. Give him my thumbs up because

525
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 2: he can lift so much weight. Okay. I got the

526
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: timeline of these crimes, the details, all of it from

527
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: uh a blog that's called True Crime Enthusiast. I've used

528
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: her once before for one of my I can't remember

529
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: which one, but it was a case when we were

530
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: on the at a live show and she that True

531
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: Crime Enthusiast is also a podcast. But I found this

532
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: on her blog and it was the most information of

533
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: any I couldn't find any other websites besides our dear

534
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: old Wikipedia. Everything on YouTube is like one of those

535
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: three minute videos. That's someone that seems like someone in

536
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: high school made that. Like I then started watching one

537
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 2: and then it went off into some other thing where

538
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: this woman who was narrating was like Canadian and yelling

539
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: about how the government isn't gonna admit to anything, and

540
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: then it went crazy quite the afternoon. Listen, let's get back,

541
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: let's focus. Jersey is one of the Channel islands off

542
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: the northwest coast of France. Got it. I thought it

543
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: was in England. Well it's not new so it's not

544
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: a new Jersey. No, that's what I was hoping for.

545
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: It's original Jersey. Okay. So it's right by Normandy off

546
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: the coast out there. It's also by Guernsey Islands. They

547
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: have the best cows between Jersey and Guernsey. Amazing gorgeous cows. Okay, right, Stephen.

548
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: Stephen's crying, he loves this so much. Am I right?

549
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: Though I don't know anything about cows?

550
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: Yes you do. I think the Guernseys are red and

551
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: the Jerseys are black and white. Are you think serious

552
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: right now? Yes?

553
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: Because you grew up in a town with a lot

554
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: of cows. Yes, that's why you know that. I didn't

555
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: know if they were just making up facts.

556
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: About a town. No, No, Jersey and Guernsey cows are

557
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: like really high end.

558
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: Listen, explain something okay to me? Okay, what's it about cows?

559
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: Oh? Oh, just if you want a high quality cow,

560
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: you're going to need a small island off the coast

561
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: of France. I'll take it. That's where they're all from. Okay, okay. Uh.

562
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: On Google Maps, Jersey has a four point nine star

563
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: review out of forty three.

564
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: Why are you revealing fucking islands?

565
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: This is me trying to scrape together information about Jersey

566
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: in a way that can inform me. I was like,

567
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: is it rich people? It seems like it's like it's

568
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: a very yeah, well to do people. They have a

569
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: lot of great agriculture, obviously award winning cows, really small

570
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: and although it is not a part of the United Kingdom,

571
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: English is the language that's the main language spoken there.

572
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: They use the Pound, They drive on the left, they

573
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: love soccer. The national anthem is God Save the Queen.

574
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: But they are an independent parliamentary democracy, so don't fucking

575
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: say that they're British because they're not. Okay, And in

576
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen there were one hundred thousand people living there.

577
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: So that's it's not a big place, okay. But in

578
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: November of nineteen fifty seven, a reign of terror began

579
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: on this island. That is so fucking crazy, and it

580
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: went on for ten years. And so it starts like this,

581
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: A twenty nine year old nurse is waiting for a bus. Now,

582
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: when all this gets explained, it's all they break it

583
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: up by like counties and parishes and stuff. But since

584
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: it's all meaningless, I just figured we'll just do it.

585
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: It's all happening on an island that's I think forty

586
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: nine miles wide. It's a setting, yes, just picture. Uh

587
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: do you ever watch Father Brown? It's a wonderful British

588
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: no priest based crime procedural r No, but I have

589
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: an island in my mind. It's like I'm there.

590
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: It's not tropical, no no, no, no no no, it's like

591
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: a yeah, that's so like a damp, dewey pastural yesco island,

592
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: that's it, Rocky cliffs, yes.

593
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: All this, yes, okay, fog, fog and tons of bus stops, right,

594
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: so rural bus stops, rural bus stops. Okay, Okay, So

595
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: this woman's waiting, she's a twenty nine year old nurse

596
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: waiting for the bus. She's approached by a man who's

597
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: affecting an Irish accent, and he's wearing something on his face.

598
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: She can't see his face, and before she knows what's happening,

599
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: he hits her on the head. He puts a rope

600
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: around her neck, and he drags her into a nearby

601
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: field and rapes her. No, and even though she has

602
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: a bunch of stitches and she's severely injured, she survives.

603
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: A year later, in March, the exact same attack happens

604
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: a year later, this time the woman's twenty. She's walking

605
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: home from the bus stop, and again a man approaches her,

606
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: a rope is put around her neck, She's dragged into

607
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: a nearby field and raped. Four months later in July,

608
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 2: exact same crime. This time it's a thirty one year

609
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: old woman. She's walking home from the bus stop. Again,

610
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: rope around her neck, dragged into a field. Exact same thing.

611
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: And then again in August of nineteen fifty nine, but

612
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: this time it's a young girl. And then again in

613
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: November to a twenty eight year old woman. So it's

614
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: the exact same crime happening like relatively four months apart,

615
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: so all of the victims tell the police the same thing.

616
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: He put on this Irish accent. He was wearing a

617
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: mask of some kind or his face was covered in

618
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: some way. He's about five foot six and he smells musty.

619
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: So after this series of attacks he comes to be

620
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: referred to as the Beast of Jersey. But then in

621
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty his moo changes and he starts attacking people

622
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: inside indoors in their homes, so it's valent Tyne's Day.

623
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty, a twelve year old boy wakes up

624
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: to see a man standing at the end of his bed.

625
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: He's climbed through the boy's window. He's wearing an old

626
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: rubber mask and a woman's wig. Oh god, and he's

627
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: holding a flashlight in the boy's face. He places a

628
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: rope around the boy's neck leads him outside into a

629
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: field where he's raped. So a month later, a woman

630
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: walking up to the bus stop meets a man who

631
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: drives by. Claims that he's a doctor, that he's on

632
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: his way to pick up his wife, and he offers

633
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: her a lift, and then she gets in the car

634
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh, it's just this old guy and

635
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: doesn't think anything about it until she turns to see

636
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: that he is wearing an overcoat and a hat and gloves.

637
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: And as she's starting to put that together of how

638
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 2: weird that is, she also can't see his face. It's

639
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: like she can't make out his face because it's dark.

640
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: He's by the time she realizes what's going on, he's

641
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: driven to a secluded spot. He ties her hand behind

642
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: her head, beats her inside the car, then he drags

643
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: her out of the car into a field, rapes her.

644
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: Then he puts her back into the car and he

645
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: starts to drive again. She jumps out of the moving

646
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: car oh and starts screaming for help. So he bails

647
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: and he's not found. Damn. Okay, So this same month,

648
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: this one's super creepy. So it's a mother and daughter

649
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: in a remote cottage. Uh huh. The daughter's fourteen, so

650
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: it's twelve thirty at night. The mother is awoken by

651
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: the phone ringing downstairs, so she gets up and she

652
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: goes down to answer it. When she goes, she picks

653
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: up the phone. There's no one there. She hears a

654
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: click and then the phone she hears the dial town,

655
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 2: so she goes back upstairs and she goes to bed.

656
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: An hour later, she hears a noise downstairs, so she

657
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: goes and she goes out into the landing. Over the

658
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: top of the stairs, she flicks on the lights, having

659
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: picture in my head at some point she turned the

660
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: lights on. She walks downstairs and when she gets downstairs,

661
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: the lights cut out. Then she realizes someone is in

662
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: the living room, so she grabs the phone to call

663
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: the police. The phone line's been cut. Yeah, So suddenly

664
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: a man grabs her, demands money and threatens to kill her.

665
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: And as she's struggling with this man, her fourteen year

666
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: old daughter comes out onto the landing and the man

667
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: immediately releases the mother and runs to where the daughter is,

668
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: and so the woman runs out of the house to

669
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: go get help at the neighbors gets The neighbors runs

670
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: back and they find the daughter is alive, but she's

671
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: been raped. And this with the samem as all the

672
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: other victims. April of the same year, a fourteen year

673
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: old wakes up to find a man in a mask

674
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: watching her sleep. What the fuck? She starts screaming, and

675
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: then he takes the mask off. No. In July, an

676
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: eight year old boy is abducted from his home. He's

677
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: raped in a field and then he's led back but

678
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: the rope around his neck to his front doorstep. Then

679
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: they attack stop for the rest of the year. So

680
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: of course this is a tiny island of people, and

681
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: people are fucking shitting a brick.

682
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: Because it's also definitely someone who lives there, so it

683
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: could be anyone.

684
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: Exactly right, They are interviewing every They immediately interview every

685
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: single man who has ever permitted a crime at all.

686
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: Like the police are just doing They have no idea

687
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: what to do, so they're doing anything they can. So

688
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 2: everything stops. So that's July. Everything stops for the rest

689
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: of the year. Then in February of nineteen sixty one

690
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: it starts again, and this time themo change again. Now

691
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: it's all young children. So by April of nineteen sixty one,

692
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: three children have been attacked and raped. So finally the

693
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: police call in Scotland Yard. Yeah, so Scotland Yard puts

694
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: together this profile of like the mo O and of

695
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: the attacks. Oh my god, lover, and they basically tell

696
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: the island, you guys have to start like self policing

697
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: and keeping your eyes open because you have to help

698
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: us catch him. Like as much as we can't be

699
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: everywhere and we have to we all have to do

700
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: something about this, So keep your eyes peeled. So he's

701
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: forty to forty five years old. He's five six or

702
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: somewhere around that height. He has a medium build, he

703
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: has a mustache. His face is usually covered by a

704
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: mask or a scarf during the attacks. He enters through

705
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: a bedroom window on a moonlit night sometime between ten

706
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: pm and three am, carries a flashlight. He knows the

707
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: island well, especially the eastern part, and he wears a

708
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: thigh lank jacket that smells musty, a hat and gloves.

709
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: So but he's still not found and there's no attacks

710
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: for two years, So there's that's another part of it,

711
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: is there. It's like a swell of these horrible crimes

712
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: and then it just stops. And I think there's probably

713
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 2: part of that human reaction is it's done, We're done,

714
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 2: We're done, and like, don't look around and don't keep

715
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: looking into this like it's over. Then, in April of

716
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three, a nine year old boy is attacked

717
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: with the exact samem o, and then in November of

718
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: the year, and eleven year old boy is attacked same

719
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: and then in July of nineteen sixty four a ten

720
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: year old girl, and then in August a sixteen year

721
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: old boy. Then nothing for two years, so even that

722
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: that overall pattern starts down a pack. And then in

723
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six the Jersey Police received this letter. My

724
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: dear sir, I think that it that it is just

725
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: the time to tell you that you are wasting your time,

726
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: as every time I have done what I always intended

727
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: to do. And remember it will not stop at this,

728
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: but I will be fair to you and give you

729
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: a chance. I have never had much out of this life,

730
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: but I intend to get everything I can now. I've

731
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: always wanted to do the perfect crime. I have done this,

732
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: but this time let the moonshine very bright in September,

733
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: because this time it must be perfect, not one, but two.

734
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: I am not a maniac by a long shot, but

735
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 2: I like to play with you people. You will hear

736
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: from me before September, and I will give you all

737
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 2: the clues just to see if you can catch me. Yours,

738
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: very sincerely, wait and see. Oh my god. So in

739
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: August nineteen sixty six, there's a savage attack on a

740
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: fifteen year old girl, but this time there's a new detail.

741
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 2: There are long parallel scratches down the torso of the victim.

742
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: And then that's the final attack for four years. Wow.

743
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: Then in August of ninenineteen seventy, a thirteen year old

744
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: boy wakes up to a flashlight shining in his eyes.

745
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: He's taken out of the house with the roper on

746
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: the neck. He's led to the field. He's raped, attacked,

747
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: led back to the house. This time the beast tells

748
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 2: the boy stay quiet because if you don't quote, something

749
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 2: will happen to your mother and father. So the parents

750
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: find the boy disheveled en and he tries to say

751
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: nothing's wrong, and finally he breaks and tells the parents everything.

752
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: And when he's taken to the hospital or inspected by police,

753
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 2: I'm not sure which one, but they basically on the boy,

754
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: they find the same long parallel scratches that they found

755
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: on the girl from nineteen sixty six, and the boy

756
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: tells police that the man had black, spiky hair and

757
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 2: a terrifying mask. On a year later, this is July tenth,

758
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one, two policemen are sitting in a traffic

759
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: light at a red light. It's eleven forty five at night,

760
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: and a car speeds past the runs the red light

761
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: and is driving radically, and so of course they throw

762
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: on their lights or however they do it in Jersey,

763
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 2: and they get into a high speed chase with this car,

764
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: and it's total Jason Bourne style, where on this blog

765
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: she was saying, the guy drove up on the sidewalk.

766
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: He was like doing everything he could to get away from.

767
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: These cars this tiny fucking island.

768
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so crazy, driving everywhere. And basically finally he

769
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: drives through a hedge and into the middle of a

770
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: tomato field and like comes crash into a stop, gets out,

771
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: starts running through the tomato field. The cops get out,

772
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: chase them on foot, they tackle them, they arrest him,

773
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: they bring him to the police station, and finally when

774
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: they when they get into the light of the police station,

775
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: they see that he First of all, they notice in

776
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: the car with him how musty his coat smells. And

777
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: it strikes them immediately that it's like a just weird,

778
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: gross smell, which is what every single one of his

779
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: victims mention. It's crazy that it was that fucking bade

780
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: I were like that immediately. So then when they get

781
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: into the light of the police station, they see that

782
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 2: there are one inch nails hooking up out of the

783
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: shoulders of his coat and out of the the lapels

784
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: of his coat and around the cuffs of his coat.

785
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: So he is sewn in one inch nails to stick

786
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: out like punk rock styles stick out of his coat.

787
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: And then they see that he has cloth wristbands that

788
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: he has made tied around his wrists that also have

789
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: one inch nails sticking out due. So then they see

790
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 2: that his pants are tucked into his socks, he's wearing

791
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: slippers and wool gloves, and then they check his pockets.

792
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 2: So in there he's got a flashlight with black tape

793
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: over the light part with just a little slit so

794
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: only a tiny bit of light will come out of

795
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: that flashlight so no one will notice it. Yeah, so

796
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: he can basically control and direct the light when he's

797
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: breaking into houses. Right then they find two lengths of

798
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: what they call sash cord, which I think means like

799
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: curtain curtain cord on him. He's got empty cigarette packs,

800
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: rolls of duct tape, and a black wig with stiff,

801
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: spiky hair, and that's when they find the mask. Are

802
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: you ready to see the mask? There's your mask. I'm

803
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: gonna go, I'm gonna leave. Look at that. Oh my god,

804
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 2: let me see that. It is so fucked up. Okay,

805
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: So what that mask is is it looks like it

806
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: looks like Edward's scissor Hands if he were in a fire.

807
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: It's like Edgar Edward scissor Hands and Michael Myers had

808
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: a baby, and that baby was a fucking rapist, was

809
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: a horrifying monster, the scariest Okay. The mask is the

810
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: reason I read the article about him because it's the

811
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: scariest thing I've ever seen that's actually real. Because I

812
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: was like, I want to look this up and this

813
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: is going to be fake because that's so horrifying. You

814
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: wake up and that's standing at the end of your bed.

815
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: No, it's so no, no, like no no.

816
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: So that's in his coat pocket, that mask, that mask

817
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: is in his coat pocket, and the wig isn't so

818
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: the wig. He wore the wig and they're separate. So

819
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: the wig was in one pocket and that wig is hard,

820
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: like it's all stiff and hard. It looks like gross,

821
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: like gross dreadlocks. Yeah, and it almost looks he almost

822
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: looks like like Medusa. Yeah, like it looks like snakes

823
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: snake hair.

824
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: What is that mask made out of because it looks

825
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: like it's made out of real human skin.

826
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: It is I think it is an old rubber mask.

827
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: So he was just it was like pre Halloween, this

828
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 2: mask of all time. Okay, so he sorry, I got

829
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 2: so excited to show you that picture I'd left the page.

830
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: Hafley thro Actually, I'm gonna turn this upside down because

831
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: it's so well, I don't want to stare at it.

832
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: It's not cool at all. My god, that's terrifying poor people,

833
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: I know. So it turns out that this man the

834
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: Beast of Jersey is Edward Paynell. He's a forty six

835
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: year old contractor from a wealthy family. He has a

836
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: wife named Joan. He has a daughter and two step children.

837
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: He is well respected throughout the island and and he's

838
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: very kind of prominent. This is a there's a real

839
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 2: tad not type any John Wayne Gacy parallel, because he

840
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: and his wife first met when he worked as a

841
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: handyman at the foster home that her mother ran called

842
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: La Preference, and he would often visit to hand out

843
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: candy and during the holidays dressed up like Father Christmas.

844
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no no.

845
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: The children knew him as uncle Ted. Yes, of course

846
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: they did. Yeah, they of course. The police investigate. They

847
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 2: find out that Joan and Ted's marriage is not a

848
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: happy one, and that in fact they're basically man and

849
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: wife in name only. That he has built himself basically

850
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: an annex off of the house, so he has an

851
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: office and like living quarters and this whole thing that's

852
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: separate from the house so he can come and go

853
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: as he pleases. And his wife says, you know, he

854
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: keeps odd hours because he's a big fisherman and he

855
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: likes to go on long walks at night, so he's

856
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 2: you know, he keys up and out of the house

857
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: at all hours. And it's always been for years. God yeah, So.

858
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: I wonder if she suspected him ever and just like

859
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: didn't ever want to say anything, or didn't couldn't accept it, or.

860
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you would think with the marriage being so unhappy,

861
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: that he moves, you know, he built himself into part

862
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: of the house to live in, that something bad was happening.

863
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: But there's a video of Joan that I saw, because

864
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: there's an actual like old you know what looks like

865
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 2: BBC footage or whatever, and someone's interviewing her and she

866
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 2: just looks like, no, the man I know would never

867
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: hurt a child, and she's she seems like she means

868
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: what she says, of course, but then who knows, because

869
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: there were lots of abuse allegations at this foster home

870
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: and at others, So there's another part of this. But

871
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 2: basically all these abuse allegations at different foster homes on

872
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 2: the Isle Island of Jersey against him specifically, no, against

873
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: these people. It's super crazy. That's part of the black

874
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 2: hole I fell into, which is watching these videos from

875
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: other victims of who lived at these other like they

876
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: I think they call them home care, but it's basically

877
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 2: they're fo They're one is of this. One is obviously

878
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 2: a foster home, a big foster like an orphanage essentially,

879
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: But another one, the worst one, or from what the

880
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: stories I saw, was of course, it was a Catholic

881
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: you know, send your babies here if you're having them

882
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 2: out of wetlock, and we'll raise them for you because

883
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to have children. Meanwhile, they beat the

884
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: living shit out of them and rape and molest them,

885
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 2: and all this horrible stuff is happening there. And they

886
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: have the real people who lived there talking about being

887
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: woken up in the middle of the night by the

888
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: people that work there and led down into these cellars.

889
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: And they actually it was so bad that the police

890
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: started investigating and they found shackles. They dug up these

891
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: cellars and found shackles along one wall, and they found

892
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: all these bones, children's bones there, Like it's crazy terrible.

893
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: It ended up leading to an investigation called Operation Rectangle,

894
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: and the it recorded a total of five hundred and

895
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 2: fifty three alleged offenses, with one hundred and fifty one

896
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: named offenders and one hundred and ninety two victims on

897
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: this island where in twenty fourteen one hundred thousand people live. Yeah,

898
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: so insanity, like something super fucked up was happening.

899
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh that's so dark and that like that like

900
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: top of the Lake. Yes, a thing where it's like,

901
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: oh you don't you don't know the secrets that go

902
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: on in these.

903
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 2: Yes, and apparently that kind of like privacy and all that.

904
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: It's a real big deal there of course, and part

905
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: of the reason people live there. But then that breeds

906
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 2: this kind of like nobody talking about anything and nobody

907
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: knowing Adam, you.

908
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: Can kind of hide and play inside as like a

909
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: fucking creep.

910
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: And the underrepresented and the marginalized that gets sent to

911
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: you know, some horrible home somewhere, you know, then it

912
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: suddenly becomes so anyway, basically they go to his house

913
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 2: with a you know, to look into his house, and

914
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: they find they oh she the quote that she said

915
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: was he's the most loving, caring man who had never

916
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: hurt a child. Joan joan joan. Okay. So when the

917
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: police questioned him about why he was driving so crazy,

918
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: he told them that he was on his way to

919
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: an orgy, and that's why he was dressed so oddly

920
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: because he didn't want anyone to recognize him on the

921
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: way to the orgy, because of course everyone would know

922
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: where he was going in his car. Then he explained

923
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 2: away the nails sticking out of his clothing that he

924
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: wanted to be prepared in case anyone attacked him with

925
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: martial arts. Told the police, I do that too, uh huh.

926
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: It's always going to be ready with a series of nails.

927
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: Nail jewelry. Yep. So when they searched the house, they

928
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: find a locked secret room inside his room. Oh my god,

929
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 2: he's already his own annex. Oh my god. Then he's

930
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: got a locked secret roote. Tell me what's well, guess

931
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: what it smells like? Must Yes, he loves Mustree that shell.

932
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like one of the fucking clues. I mean,

933
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 2: apparently this whole room smelled like the jacket. And inside

934
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: the room they find an old blue track suit, they

935
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: find an old raincoat, homemade wigs, which for some reason

936
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: I find bone chilling, and false eyebrows, which is also

937
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 2: very creepy. Yeah. So he was clearly playing with his

938
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: parents constantly. So even if even if they said, oh,

939
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: I was also at that bus stop and I saw that, right,

940
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: but they whatever description they would give would never be accurate. Yeah,

941
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 2: which was his plan. And what they start to realize

942
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: is he he had these plans set in place for years. Yeah.

943
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: He Because they found a camera hanging on a hook,

944
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: and then they found photos of houses from around the Eyeland,

945
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: and eventually they got out of him that he would

946
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: choose his victims, sometimes years in advance. What he would

947
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: take a picture of the house. He would memorize the

948
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 2: map of the house. He knew exactly whose room was

949
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 2: whose and what window to go into, so he would

950
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: never he never accidentally went into some wrong window and

951
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: was in the parents room. He always knew which room

952
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 2: the children's room was, oh my god, and he knew

953
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: exactly when to go and when they were by themselves

954
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: or when everybody was asleep, like he planned it meticulously,

955
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: scary me like no other story we've done. A scared wit.

956
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 2: It's the fucking scariest thing of all. He is the

957
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: legit boogeyman, like crazy. And then basically the nails for

958
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: real were if somebody caught him, tried to grab his hand,

959
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: tried to grab his shoulder, he would get away, oh

960
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: my god, like he had all these things planned to

961
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 2: make sure he never got caught, and that's why it

962
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: happened for so long. They also found what they what

963
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: they called In and the blog I was reading, she

964
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: refers to it as black magic and things related to

965
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: black magic, but in another article I read they were

966
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 2: like a full on altar to Satan in his barn

967
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: behind a red velvet curtain, which none that was not

968
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: mentioned in anyway in this blog, which I kind of

969
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 2: I trust her, she's so thoroughly researched. Yeah, that's a

970
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: little David Lynch. It's a little where to get a

971
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: red curtain? And how come no one noticed a red

972
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: curtain in a barn? Ye, It's always possible, and it

973
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: would be very striking and effective for black magic uses.

974
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: Like I'm in the middle of a kip of a

975
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: field filled with gorgeous cows. I turn around, here's this

976
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: curtain out of nowhere. Okay, So anyway, all kinds of

977
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: satanic shit though in this room, so basically that I mean,

978
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: that's it. He goes to trial and on November twenty ninth,

979
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one, it took thirty eight minutes to declare

980
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 2: him guilty of all charges. He's sentenced to thirty years

981
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: in prison. That's it, and he gets out in twenty

982
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: what he was a model prisoner. He's paroled in nineteen

983
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: ninety one. Yes, he goes to prison in nineteen seventy one.

984
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: He gets out in nineteen ninety one, but he tries

985
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: to move back to Jersey. Oh hell no, and the

986
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 2: people are like, yeah, no way. So he ends up

987
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: moving to the Isle of Wight and he dies there

988
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: of a heart attack in nineteen ninety four. So I

989
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: think the Isle of Wight is from what I know.

990
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: I think one of my favorite bands is from the

991
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: Isle of Wight, and I think it's real sparse. Why

992
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 2: do you look that up? Really quick? Stephen think he's

993
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: already doing it.

994
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: But oh my, twenty years.

995
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: Twenty years because it's all RPE and this was the

996
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: seventies when they were like, uh yeah, I wish that

997
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: would not like that anymore. I know, well it's getting

998
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 2: better though, certain like a serial rapist would not would

999
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: not get out of jail in twenty years. They don't

1000
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: do that anymore. I mean, I know every case I'm

1001
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: trying to. I've got to believe you and everything.

1002
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: Okay, good, okay, great, great, Gret, Great, thanks for telling me, Sharon.

1003
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: Let's see, Okay, was I right about the Isle of Wight.

1004
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: It's the Bees. I love that Chicken pay Back best

1005
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: ever seeing me. He's just you just looked up the musicians. Wait,

1006
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: but do we know anything about the here? Let me

1007
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: just actually say.

1008
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: Notable bands from.

1009
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: Oh what whatever, it's the second it's the largest and

1010
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: second most pop most populist Isle Island in England. So

1011
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 2: I was totally wrong with the show there. Fine, Oh

1012
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: my god, let's go to the Isle of Wight. Okay,

1013
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: they have a really good music festival there. I believe that. Again,

1014
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: that could be bullshit. I believe you know, I believe me.

1015
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: Uh So anyway, then, oh, this is the final thing

1016
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 2: in that operation Rectangle. The police and had to actually

1017
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: announce that there was no firm evidence linking Paynel to

1018
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 2: any of the abuse that took place at that Catholic

1019
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: nun home. It was called the hot de la Grene

1020
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: that I did not pronounce that right where really terrible

1021
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: things happened. So they had to say there's there's no

1022
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 2: you know, Beast of Jersey is not connected to this,

1023
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: although he was a known to be a regular visitor there.

1024
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 2: Oh what a coincidence. So basically they're just saying there's

1025
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: no firm evidence. But he also came here all the time. Yeah,

1026
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: and horrible things happened, and he liked the children here

1027
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: to hang out at this place. Yeah, so horrible horrible,

1028
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 2: Uh and freakishly like, how how did I never hear

1029
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 2: of any of that? Yeah, well I have a similar one.

1030
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: Oh, horrible, horrible freakish. How did I never hear about

1031
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: this before it? Okay, we're back, Karen. Do you have

1032
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: any updates?

1033
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: There are no updates except for that in twenty seventeen,

1034
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: there was a psychological thriller film called Beast, starring friend

1035
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: of the show Jesse Buckley, Thank you and Johnny Flynn.

1036
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: Oh but that's good. I bet it's really good. Right,

1037
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: and now we get into let's just roll right into

1038
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 2: more brutality. This is George's story about the Cleveland Torso Killer.

1039
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: Okay, another list of horrible things that have happened. Yes,

1040
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: this one, I've heard the name that I'd never heard of,

1041
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: I'd never known what happened. Surprisingly, this is the mad

1042
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: Butcher of Kingsbury Run, aka the Cleveland Torso Killer.

1043
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: Gosh, God, damn it? Or you gonna do it for Cleveland?

1044
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: I yes, but I knew it's such a good one

1045
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: that has we neither of us have done for so

1046
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: long that it's just been dangling out there. Yeah, well done.

1047
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: You, thank you. I swooped in. I apologized, got to

1048
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: do it. But here I here I go, here you go.

1049
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: Let me try to make do it, give a justice

1050
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: and everything. So nineteen thirties. Cleveland. It's the sixth largest

1051
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: city in America, but it's the most dangerous because of

1052
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: they have a high rate of traffic accidents which sucks,

1053
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: and rampant organized crime along with antiquated police force. One

1054
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: of the high crime areas was on the south side

1055
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: of the city, known as Kingsbury Run. It's a riverbed

1056
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: like ravine located near the suburb of Shaker Heights, and

1057
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: it's where the train.

1058
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: Tracks run along.

1059
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: So a lot of transients riding the rails in the

1060
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties would camp out there. And in the depression

1061
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: era of nineteen thirties, it was this dark, dreary, dangerous

1062
00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: place and there was a lot of there was all

1063
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: lot of blah blah blah. Let's see, it was like

1064
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: a hobo camp at that point.

1065
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: Basically, yes, so, and hobo is okay to say, I know,

1066
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: right it is. Many people told us it stands for

1067
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: home boy, which means like I'm on my way home boy, right,

1068
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: like I'm on the train. Yeah, okay.

1069
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: So it's a makeshift They call it a hobo jungle,

1070
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: and it's just that it's just this crazy transient encampments

1071
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: with made of boxes and you know, thrown together houses

1072
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: and this sort of thing. And it's right next to

1073
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: a place known as the Roaring Third, which is kind

1074
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: of like this neighborhood that's home to bars and brothels, flophouses,

1075
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: gambling places. It's like the fucking down and dirty area,

1076
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: all grimy. And this is the setting where the most

1077
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: notorious murder cases in Cleveland's history start to happen. Well,

1078
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: in September nineteen thirty five, two teenage boys and this

1079
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: is this is a lot of people still coming along along.

1080
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: A lot of body parts in this in this show. Yeah.

1081
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: So in September nineteen thirty five, two teenage boys playing

1082
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: at the base of Jackass Hill and Kingsbury run.

1083
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, how could you knock go to Jackass Hill

1084
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 2: every day if you were like twelve? Yeah, I'm going. Yes,

1085
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: where else will we play? Please? Okay? All right.

1086
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: So they discover the decapitated emasculated. Oh they call it

1087
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: body of a white male. Oh shit, can you fucking imagine? Like,

1088
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: is it worse to come upon a body or fucking

1089
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: headless body?

1090
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: Headless body? Yeah, you're right, that's been emasculated. Yeah, that's horrifying. Yeah,

1091
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: So their lives are ruined. Because here's the thing. Can

1092
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: I just say, yeah, if you come upon a body,

1093
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 2: you don't know what happened, and a number of things

1094
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: could have happened. Right, you come upon a headless, emasculated body,

1095
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: you immediately know someone did that to that, someone like

1096
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: headless and emasculated house. Someone did it intentionally. Jesus Christ,

1097
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: it's the worst car accident of all time, which it isn't, Okay.

1098
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 2: The body is naked except for a pair of socks.

1099
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: I know, I know, cleaned and drained of blood, and

1100
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: the cause of death.

1101
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 2: Is the decapitation, yeah, which is horrifying, but sorry, cleaned

1102
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: and drained of blood like black Delia style. M oh oh. Wait.

1103
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: So the area is being searched by the police. They

1104
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: get there, they're like probably talking those kids down from

1105
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: freaking the fuck out. Oh my god, And around thirty

1106
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: feet away, another male corpse is found. This body in

1107
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: the same position and the head and genitals also had

1108
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: been removed. The body appeared to be a forty year

1109
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: old male, covered with a chemical preservative and appeared to

1110
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: have been dead for at least a couple of weeks

1111
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: before being dumped. After becoming to decayed, almost as if

1112
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: someone had tried to preserve the body wherever he was

1113
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: wasn't working.

1114
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 2: Got rid of the body. Super creepy that we can

1115
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: hear a train right fucking riding those rails. This scared me.

1116
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 2: I know right, you can't hear that.

1117
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: Stephen the mad butcher Kingsbury Run is on that train

1118
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: right now.

1119
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 2: For aly No, wow, there hasn't been a train gone by.

1120
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 2: He don't know. He is.

1121
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: Okay close to the bodies though they find both heads

1122
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: as well as both sets of genitals. They had discarded

1123
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: them as though they had just been thrown away. No

1124
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: blood is found on the ground or on the bodies,

1125
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: and so they had been cleaned somewhere else.

1126
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1127
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: The younger man, the first body that was found, had

1128
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: been dead for about three days, and his fingerprints were

1129
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: able to lead him to who he was. He was

1130
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: Edward andrecy. He's a twenty eight year old guy who

1131
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: minor police record for carrying a concealed weapon. He lived

1132
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: near Kingsbury Run. He was kind of or off and

1133
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: humble dude. He had a reputation for being a drunk

1134
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: and frequently getting into fights. And when I did the autopsy,

1135
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: based on the cuts. The operation was done very skillfully,

1136
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: and the investigators suspected that the killer might be a butcher,

1137
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: a surgeon, or at least someone familiar with killing animals, which.

1138
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:18,959
Speaker 2: Iems like it's always the case.

1139
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: Like I think, if you don't know what you're doing,

1140
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: you don't try to start doing that or like you

1141
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: get you kind of get like a you get like

1142
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: a fetish for it.

1143
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do you do it to like animals? Maybe

1144
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: maybe if you're a certain certain, certain sort of psychopath. Right, Oh, sorry,

1145
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 2: that was the the John Ronson book that I started

1146
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: with audiobook was The Psychopath Test. Oh, it's the whole

1147
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 2: reason that all started. And it's such a good book. Sorry,

1148
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 2: Oh you're good. I should have said that before. But

1149
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: it basically there's no difference, the relatively no difference between

1150
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 2: a psychopath and a sociopath. It's all. He goes into

1151
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 2: all of that. But anyway, it's relevant, it's very relevant.

1152
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 2: But like that, you couldn't just a normal person if

1153
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: you were going to kill somebody, even if you planned

1154
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 2: it out, if you were, you would have to be

1155
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 2: devoid of feeling to do all that stuff. Yeah, because

1156
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 2: you yeah, you you'd have to be a certain mental type,

1157
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 2: to be able to clean a body, drain it of blood,

1158
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 2: cut it, cut pieces of it off.

1159
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, the thought of so like, I'm a pretty

1160
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: normal person and the thought of having to you just

1161
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: you just nodded your head in the most sarcastic way.

1162
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 2: Was that involuntary? It was? It was silent? It was

1163
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: was that involuntary, It was conversational. I appreciate it though,

1164
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: because I don't want to be normal.

1165
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean in that I'm not a psychopath. So the

1166
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: thought of having to go from here to killing someone

1167
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: is such a huge leap that the people who are

1168
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: okay doing it must be must be fucking closer to

1169
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: that already, you know what I mean.

1170
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's a I don't think it's

1171
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: like a line in the sand. I think it is

1172
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: a total is light on or off, because there's nothing

1173
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 2: more like. And you watch him when you're watching a

1174
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 2: movie and people like, ugh, what was a fucking oh

1175
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 2: that movie, the Ewan McGregor movie he would made him

1176
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: a star? Oh where they kill their roommates? No, no, no, no,

1177
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 2: it was the one where they it was the three

1178
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 2: roommates they decide to kill the fourth roommate or maybe

1179
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 2: they don't kill him, but he's dead and they cut

1180
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: up his body. And it basically having to watch people

1181
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 2: who aren't like that have to do something that horrible.

1182
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 2: Is I can'te any movie like that. Yeah, I mean

1183
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: it's a good movie, but it's so stressful. Okay, because

1184
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: then you just picture you would have to do. Did

1185
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 2: you watch second season of Search Party? No? I haven't

1186
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: watched it.

1187
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: So good, they're all just dealing with the I'm not

1188
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: gonna spoil it, but they're dealing with the ramifications of

1189
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: the first and uh, what's her name.

1190
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: Aliah Chakratt. She is so good. She's such a great actress.

1191
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: She's a great actors and this whole season of her

1192
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: just having stress over what they did.

1193
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's really hard to watch. That's very stressful.

1194
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: Oh it's shallow Grave Sorry, Okay, Okay, it's a good movie,

1195
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 2: but so stressful in that way where just like to

1196
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 2: they do it for money, but like you when you

1197
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 2: entertain that idea, yeah, where you'd be like, what would

1198
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 2: it take for you to cut up a human body? Yeah?

1199
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 2: I just don't There isn't an amount of money. I

1200
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 2: don't think so. For meither, I'd rather go to jail

1201
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:32,919
Speaker 2: because it would ptsdu into infinity totally, totally the older man.

1202
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: The second body is impossible to identify, and that's a

1203
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: fucking theme. Most of these bodies that are found are

1204
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: never identified. They hope that would be easy to find

1205
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: the killer because the guy who they could identify, Edward

1206
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: was you know, had this trail through slazy bars and

1207
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: gambling places, and he's known to be a procure of

1208
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: young girls for prostitution and also admitted to have male levers.

1209
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:56,919
Speaker 1: So it's like, it's going to be one of these

1210
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: people from this this area of he was a.

1211
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 2: Gay pimp in Cleveland.

1212
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: Uh huh, yeah, he's from the Roaring Third. They're like,

1213
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: it's going to be someone here in king Rn Kingsbury

1214
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: Run easy.

1215
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 2: But they follow lead after lead.

1216
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: And they can't find any really good suspects and it

1217
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: leads the investigation leads nowhere, so the press starts calling him,

1218
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: calling the killer the mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run, which

1219
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: is like such a cool fucking name.

1220
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good.

1221
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: So a couple months later, on in January of nineteen

1222
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: thirty six, a woman discovers two half busheled baskets left

1223
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: alongside a manufacturing building in the city. Inside the baskets

1224
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: and neatly wrapped in newspaper, she finds about half the

1225
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: body of a female whoa. The rest of her body

1226
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: is found about ten days later in a vacant lot nearby.

1227
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: I mean, people are stumbling upon a nightmare after a nightmare.

1228
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 2: Also, if it was wrapped, it said it was wrapped

1229
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: in newspaper, so she unwrapped it and be like, what's

1230
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: in here? She's like, this could be a stack of money.

1231
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 2: That's totally what I would be like. Look at this stained,

1232
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 2: wet mud. I can't wait to unwrap it and spend it.

1233
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 2: Fuck no, so fuck. Also, because it's like you're saying, depressionary,

1234
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 2: she's like, this fucking food. Maybe this food I'm starving.

1235
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 2: Let this be. How about some nice dishes?

1236
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: No, how about a nightmare for the rest of your life? God,

1237
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: some nice dishes from the five and dime. Um Okay.

1238
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: The cause of death again is decapitation. Fingerprints identified the

1239
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: body as Florence Palilo or flow. She's this fucking like

1240
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: flolow pllilo. She's this like salty fucking older woman. There's

1241
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,919
Speaker 1: like a good photo of her online. She's a waitress,

1242
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: of barmaid and a sex worker. She clearly doesn't give

1243
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: a fuck, carries a shank in her purse like obviously.

1244
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 2: She's doing it. She's getting hurt, she's stacking that.

1245
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: Paper until she got decapitated. At the time of her death,

1246
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 1: she lived right on the edge of the rowing third

1247
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: and her head is never found.

1248
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: WHOA Okay.

1249
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: In June and nineteen thirty six in Kingsbury Run, two

1250
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: young boys are fucking out doing stuff and they find

1251
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: the head of a white male wrapped in a pair

1252
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:05,440
Speaker 1: of trousers.

1253
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: What hm fuck those poor kids.

1254
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: Police found the body of the twenty some year old

1255
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: man the next day, so they found the head. Then

1256
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: they found the buy the next day, dumped in front

1257
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: of a police building. WHOA cleaned and drained of blood.

1258
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: Everything's intact except for the head again caused by decapitation,

1259
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: which is like, we're going to really talk about it.

1260
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to. That's the fucking one of the

1261
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: worst ways to die. He died of decapitation.

1262
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 2: Even fast, isn't it. Yeah, you got a hope? What

1263
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 2: if it's like for twenty minutes. If you're alive in

1264
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: your head, that's why worse.

1265
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,799
Speaker 1: But that's why you want someone who's actually good at

1266
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: who's like is a butcher or a surgeon.

1267
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want someone hacking away your neck. No, no, no,

1268
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 2: you want a nice guillotine style boom, make it quick.

1269
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 2: What was that? I didn't feel anything, Lord Jesus, is

1270
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 2: that you? Yeah, or whoever your lord might be. Yeah,

1271
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: I'll take anyone at that point. Yeah, just give me

1272
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 2: any Yeah. A plaster reproduction, This is crazy. A pilaster reproduction.

1273
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: Of the man's head because I couldn't identify him, along

1274
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: with diagrams of his tattooed are displayed so the public

1275
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: can try to identify him. And it's this creepy like

1276
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: plaster mask.

1277
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 2: It's so gross. So that's the one thing I do

1278
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 2: remember about this. All the details are very fuzzy as

1279
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 2: until you say them. But though I can see those masks.

1280
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: There's a lot of them, and you actually can see

1281
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: them in Cleveland. We should go when we at the

1282
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: Cleveland Police Museum, they have a bunch of that. Yes

1283
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: we're going, yes, yeah, two ticks you pull that out?

1284
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: If I did that he's called the tattooed Man, and

1285
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: he's never identified. So in July nineteen thirty six, while

1286
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 1: walking through the woods near the West Side, a teenage

1287
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: girl comes across the decapitated remains of a white male

1288
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: in his forties. The victim had been dead about two months.

1289
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 1: In his head as well as a pile of bloody

1290
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 1: clothing was found nearby.

1291
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: Who is doing this two months? That thing? Yeah? Did

1292
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 2: she not from fifty paces? She had something? Smells terrible?

1293
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: Probably back then everything smelled bad. Oh true, no, true, true, true.

1294
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 2: This was back when you had to put deoduran on.

1295
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 2: It was in a pot and you had to put

1296
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 2: it on cream deodorant. I've ever seen that, knowing you

1297
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 2: didn't probably shower a lot, right, Yeah, and you just

1298
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 2: slapped on some cream deodoran. Yeah, no, griss my hand. No.

1299
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 1: So this time there's an enormous qualic quantity of blood.

1300
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: So they're like, you must have been killed there.

1301
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 2: In the forest. Yeah, in the woods.

1302
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: Then in September nineteen thirty six, so two months later,

1303
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: a transient trips over the upper half of a man's

1304
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 1: torso while trying to hop on a train in Kingsbury.

1305
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 2: Run Oh, did he get on that train? No?

1306
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: I hope so he is trying to catch a train

1307
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 1: and eat trips, and that's what it is.

1308
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 2: Insult injury.

1309
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: Police send a diver into a nearby swimming hole like

1310
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: sewer area and find the lower half of the torso

1311
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: and parts.

1312
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 2: Of both of his legs. I hope that diver was

1313
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 2: compensated handsomely, handsomely because also it's a swimming hole, so

1314
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 2: it'd be all murky.

1315
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 1: It's really probably a gross place.

1316
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 2: It's more feeling around than diving with your eyes.

1317
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, this victim, who's the number six victim, is

1318
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: into the late twenties.

1319
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 2: Cause of death decapitation.

1320
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: Corner notes that the head had been cut off with

1321
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 1: one bold, clean stroke, which indicated strong competent killer, very

1322
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: familiar with the human anatomy, and that the victim died instantly.

1323
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: So that's good.

1324
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: Thank god identifications never made because you know, this is

1325
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: the time back then where it's all these transients trying

1326
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: to get jobs. They're they're riding the rails from city

1327
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: to city, trying to not be in the cold, freezing

1328
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: cold winter, trying to make a little bit of money

1329
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: anywhere they can. So it's just this huge transient population.

1330
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: So these and it seems like the killer, you know,

1331
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: use that to his advantage because if they can't identify

1332
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 1: the victims, they can't.

1333
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 2: Track who they spoke to, who they were, who they

1334
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: were friends with. Yeah, clearly it was a decision that

1335
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 2: was being made exactly who to pick exactly.

1336
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: So plaster casts again are made, and some with actual

1337
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 1: hair from the victims.

1338
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 2: No, and the plaster.

1339
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: Cast not necessary, No, we get it. Brown hair, Yeah,

1340
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: just a card. So this makes six brutal killings in

1341
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: one year, and the police had no clues or suspects.

1342
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: The press reported almost daily on this. Everyone's freaking the

1343
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 1: fuck out. The officials are super desperate and embarrassed, and

1344
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: everyone's like, what is crappening? Everyone's like, watch where you walk,

1345
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: don't walk anywhere.

1346
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 2: Tripping over bodies has become a big thing. Yeah, it's

1347
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 2: the new.

1348
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: It's all the rage around this time, around the time

1349
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,719
Speaker 1: that these started. Elliot Nass, who's the legendary prohibition agent?

1350
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: You know, we all know, Elliot, it's Kevin Pasner.

1351
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 2: I remember watching The Untouchables and I was a kid,

1352
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: and I shouldn't have a kid movie.

1353
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: No, I will never forget, and I will never forget.

1354
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 1: There's a scene where he takes a baseball bat and

1355
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: bashes someone's head. And I haven't seen the movie since

1356
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: I was a kid, and yet I still remember that

1357
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: scene very well.

1358
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it really fucked me up. He was the

1359
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 2: good guy, right, Yeah, I didn't know what I don't

1360
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 2: know why that was anyways, Elliot nas so he at

1361
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 2: this point is appointed safety director of Cleveland, which means

1362
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 2: he's in charge of cops and firefighters and everything.

1363
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,560
Speaker 1: He gets more involved in the case, They put a

1364
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: psychological profile together say that the offender was a psychopath,

1365
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: although probably not obviously insane, he had some knowledge of anatomy,

1366
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: and he would have been very skilled at cutting flesh obviously,

1367
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: because decapitations are very messy. It was believed that he

1368
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: had access to some private space where the murders were performed.

1369
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: And if this was true, then the fact that the

1370
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: bodies had been carried long distances to be dumped indicated

1371
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: that he was probably really strong. So he also may

1372
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 1: have been familiar with the Kingsbury Run area. And yeah,

1373
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: and then two full time detectives are put on the case.

1374
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: These two dudes go undercover into Kingsbury run like shanty town,

1375
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: which sounds so much fucking fun.

1376
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 2: Doesn't that shit? Why isn't there a movie about this?

1377
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, because that's amazing. I think it's called

1378
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 2: The Adventures of Natty Yan, isn't it.

1379
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 4: She went into put shanty town, I don't know, decapitation murder,

1380
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, that's part two. She was so brave,

1381
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 4: that little girl. That would kind of be amazing female empowerment.

1382
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 2: She just seems tripping over tourso marching through hand me

1383
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: that head cool. She didn't give a fuck. So they

1384
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 2: get it. They get a fucking go undercover.

1385
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: There's like photos of them too online of like being like,

1386
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 1: oh look at me, bring a hobo, and it's like

1387
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: it's like if you weren't a dress up as a

1388
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: quote hobo for fucking Halloween, like how you look?

1389
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 2: No? Sorry, can I sidebar this? Yes? Because I did

1390
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 2: dress up as a hobo one year. Okay I may

1391
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 2: have told you. Yeah, it was my own idea because

1392
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 2: right around age eight, I think my mom started telling

1393
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 2: me I was on my own Halloween costume style. So

1394
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 2: it was just like whatever you could gather around the

1395
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 2: house was your costume. One time I was a caddy

1396
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 2: because I found old, a small, old set of golf

1397
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 2: clubs in the garage.

1398
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 4: Then we just carried golf plucks around.

1399
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my costume. Where did we manual labor?

1400
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 2: How did we? Why didn't we? Why didn't anyone care?

1401
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:43,719
Speaker 2: Whatt your kids?

1402
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: And then you go you dress as a fucking caddy

1403
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: and then it's like go out by yourself at night

1404
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,719
Speaker 1: and knock on people's doors and ask for candy.

1405
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 2: But it didn't I didn't make it to the night

1406
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 2: with a caddy outfit because at school in its like

1407
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 2: Halloween parade, I learned my lesson of like I'm carrying

1408
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 2: twenty pounds of golf clubs for every reason. And also

1409
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 2: in this day and age, can you imagine a parent

1410
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 2: being like make your own costume. They would be arrested

1411
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 2: and like you would never hear from them again. Yeah.

1412
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 2: So anyway, that year I became I was a hobo.

1413
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 2: So I just had a bunch of old clothes and

1414
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 2: you know, it was the classic seventies child costume. Sure,

1415
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 2: but what I thought was going to be innovative is

1416
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 2: I put vaciline on my face and then I put

1417
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 2: coffee grounds on the vassiline so that it looked like

1418
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,799
Speaker 2: I had there, And it was fun and creative until

1419
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 2: the part where we all ate delicious snacks started happening,

1420
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 2: and everything I ate tasted like coffee because that was

1421
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 2: what was on my face. And I ruined Halloween for myself. No,

1422
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 2: my mother ruined Halloween for me. I think the seventies

1423
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 2: ruined How How did any of us enjoy fucking anything?

1424
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:55,799
Speaker 2: That's a great question. It was all abba zaba anyway, Okay,

1425
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 2: go ahead. They're dressed up like right.

1426
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. They interview more than fifteen hundred people.

1427
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 1: It becomes the biggest police investigation in Cleveland history. And

1428
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 1: then on February nineteen thirty seven, a man finds the

1429
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: upper half of a female torso washed up on shore,

1430
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 1: on the shore east of Broughtanal got that wrong, rattenal

1431
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:26,440
Speaker 1: braughtan all b rht brought E n Ahl Britannel.

1432
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 2: I hear Cleveland screaming.

1433
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: About us from the audience right now of our fucking

1434
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: Cleveland show.

1435
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 2: It sounds like, yeah, really right, Scooby Doo talk right.

1436
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: Unlike all the previous victims, the cause of death had

1437
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: not been decapitation it because that had happened after she

1438
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 1: had already been dead, and the lower half of the

1439
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: torso washed ashore three months later at about East thirtieth Street.

1440
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: The woman was in her late twenties. She's never identified. Wow,

1441
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:52,799
Speaker 1: So it's weird too that again, like with your dude,

1442
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 1: they're changing up the mos. Yeah, so it's almost like,

1443
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, nobody's fucking safe.

1444
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if they do it long enough, they're like

1445
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 2: developing and fine tuning right their own creepy.

1446
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: I mean, it becomes for both these cases, it's not

1447
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: about it's about the act, not about the victim, and

1448
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: not about a want and a need. It's more like

1449
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: about this obsession.

1450
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1451
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter if you do it on a

1452
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: boy or a girl or a grown woman or you know.

1453
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 2: Right, it's all the Yeah, it's the planning and the

1454
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 2: and the picking and the right. It's enjoying. It's enjoying.

1455
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 2: It's being a psychopath. Yeah, it's being a murderous, lunatic

1456
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 2: psychopath totally.

1457
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: June nineteen thirty seven, a teenage boy discovers a human skull.

1458
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: Next to it in a burlac bag is several remains

1459
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: of what turned out to be a petite black woman.

1460
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 1: So this time it's a black woman, which changes the motion.

1461
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 2: About forty years old, gentle work shows that she is

1462
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 2: Rose Wallace, and police follow every lead they have on her,

1463
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 2: but nothing is found.

1464
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: Then in July nineteen thirty seven, the National Guard had

1465
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: been called to maintain order at the flats or you know,

1466
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,759
Speaker 1: everything's going on, and a young guardsman is standing watch

1467
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: by a bridge and sees the first piece of victim

1468
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: number nine in the wake of a passing tugboat.

1469
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 2: Ooh.

1470
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: Over the next few days, police recovered the entire body

1471
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: except for the head, from the waters of the Cuyahoga River.

1472
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: The victim who had been mutilated was in his mid

1473
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: to late thirties. He's never identified. God, how did it's crazy?

1474
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 2: Did it come off the tugboat? Perhaps? Ooh, that's a

1475
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 2: good question. I mean, like, did it make anyone go?

1476
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 2: Maybe the cause if you were on a boat, if

1477
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 2: you were the captain, say you were like a crab

1478
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 2: fisherman or something, you're not near the ocean, but some

1479
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 2: that is a yeah. That it's a vessel where you

1480
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 2: could be by yourself totally. You could clean things ooh,

1481
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 2: and you could rinse things off in the water, in

1482
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 2: the water that's around you. That's a good point, thank you. Um,

1483
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 2: let's look into that, okay.

1484
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty eight, a young laborer is on his

1485
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 1: way to work in the flats and saw what he

1486
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: first thought was a dead fish along the banks of

1487
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: the Cuyahoga River. Turns out to be the lower half

1488
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: of a woman's leg. Oh, this is victim number ten.

1489
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: A month later, police pulled two burlack bags out of

1490
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: the river, containing both parts of the torso and most

1491
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: of the rest of the legs. She's never identified.

1492
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay.

1493
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: Then in August nineteen thirty eight, three scrap collectors forging

1494
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 1: in a dump site, which we're like, don't do that

1495
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: in Cleveland right now, guys.

1496
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 2: Guys, this is the time where you maybe get into writing, right,

1497
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 2: maybe go internal. Yeah, don't do any kind of garbage

1498
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,719
Speaker 2: based activity. No, exactly.

1499
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: They find the torso a woman wrapped in a man's

1500
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: double breasted blue blazer, then wrapped again in an old quilt.

1501
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: The legs and arms are discovered in a recently constructed

1502
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: makeshift box, wrapped in brown butcher paper and held together

1503
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: with rubber bands and This is the weirdest one to

1504
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: me because it's makes me think that they're and obviously

1505
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: this is one of the ideas, is that it's a

1506
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 1: lot of different killers because this one's like it's disposed

1507
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: of so differently, and I'm shocked that they couldn't find

1508
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: any clue based on that from.

1509
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 2: A suit jacket where back when everything was tailor made.

1510
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, from the suit jacket to the box, to the

1511
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: rubber bands to the quilt. It's like, it's so crazy

1512
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 1: that they couldn't find anything.

1513
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 2: And maybe if it just if it were the same killer,

1514
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 2: they've done it so many times and now they're taunting

1515
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 2: the police of like there's a ton of clues and

1516
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 2: you're still not going to find me.

1517
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, could be yeah, so okay.

1518
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's a big difference between a burlap sack

1519
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,719
Speaker 2: and a blazing Yeah, it's very weird.

1520
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 1: And it's like that it's hidden more than it more

1521
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: than it was and it was in a dump site,

1522
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: so it was like it wasn't left out to be found.

1523
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: So I bet this one is I bet this one

1524
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: is made is like the husband made to look like,

1525
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:03,719
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's one of the victims.

1526
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Torso Killer.

1527
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 1: Smart that you think, And it says that some of

1528
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,679
Speaker 1: the parts looked like they had been refrigerated. While searching

1529
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: for more pieces, the police discovered the remains of a

1530
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: second body only yards away.

1531
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 2: Never mind, so well, maybe that was her lover. Maybe

1532
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 2: here we go.

1533
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 1: These two bodies have been placed in a location that

1534
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 1: was in plain view from Elliot Nessa's office window. Whoa,

1535
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: so yeah, toying with him?

1536
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 3: Well?

1537
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 2: Also, that's his office was close to a dump site. Yeah,

1538
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 2: like the dumps Yeah essentially.

1539
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, I wonder if theories what?

1540
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 2: Well?

1541
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: If it so, maybe it was like, let's say it

1542
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: was the husband who killed the wife and the lover

1543
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: and wanted them to get found because he wants the

1544
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 1: insurance money. But they're gonna just assume that it was

1545
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: killed by the Torso killer. So it wasn't like he

1546
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: murdered them, right, I don't.

1547
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 2: Know that'd be a great plan. Yeah, thank you. And

1548
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 2: that means by that I mean terrible, I mean awful really.

1549
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,719
Speaker 1: So August eighteenth, nineteen thirty eight, at twelve forty am,

1550
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 1: Elliot ness and a group of thirty five police officers

1551
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 1: and detectives raid the hobo Jungles of the Kingsbury run.

1552
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: They arrest sixty three men there, and they search the

1553
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 1: shanties that they are that are now deserted, looking for clues.

1554
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:29,719
Speaker 2: But you can't decapitated and emasculate a body in a shanty,

1555
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 2: so they just go after the poorest and represented.

1556
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: Well, they think, because all these bodies seem to be

1557
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 1: of transience, that it must be one of their own. Okay,

1558
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: doing it all right, But yeah, they're not going to

1559
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: do it in the shanty.

1560
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 2: There's very little privacy in a shanty town. That's true

1561
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 2: from my experience. That's a country song, I think, any

1562
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 2: tone of myself in the shanty town.

1563
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: And then they set the shacks on fire and burn

1564
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: the whole fucking chanty town around. Yeah, that's what the

1565
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 1: fucking Cleveland people said too.

1566
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

1567
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 1: No, their non solution, non solution. The press are really

1568
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: pissed off about it too. They criticized Ness for his actions,

1569
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 1: but the murders did stop after this happened.

1570
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 2: Oh maybe, okay, okay.

1571
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: In July nineteen thirty nine, they bring in their suspect,

1572
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: fifty two year old Bohemian bricklayer Frank dolez All, does all.

1573
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 2: Doles all, Oh, like Rachel Dolezoal, a woman who posed

1574
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 2: to me black? How did she spell it? Do l

1575
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 2: e Zl? I think, yes, that's off that was off right,

1576
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 2: Frank Dozel does all. Well, what a rich history that

1577
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 2: family has happened.

1578
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean, So he's arrested because he had lived with Flow,

1579
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: our friend Flow, and who had been was the body

1580
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 1: that was found in the baskets. He had lived with

1581
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: her for a while, and it revealed that he had

1582
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 1: been acquainted with the two other identified bodies, Edward Andressy

1583
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: and Rose Wallace. So, after a ton of questioning and

1584
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: getting beat the fuck up by investigators, he confesses that

1585
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: he had stabbed her killed her in self defense, but

1586
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: he didn't know any of the case details, and it

1587
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: didn't He kept getting bruises and injuries from his time

1588
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: in custody with the Cleveland Police, and within a month

1589
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 1: in custody he's found dead in his cell. Oh no,

1590
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 1: it said he hung himself with his bed sheets from

1591
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 1: a hook that was five fot seven inches to off

1592
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: the ground and he was five foot eight. No, so

1593
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 1: that math doesn't have a and when the medical record

1594
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 1: show he had four broken he had broken ribs and

1595
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: bruises all over his body that were not there before

1596
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:04,839
Speaker 1: he entered prison. Yeah, so not fucking I'm just telling

1597
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 1: you the information I read, not saying anything.

1598
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 2: It's really good call, but yeah, that's dead all sounds.

1599
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 2: The problem with that too, is when you kill the suspect,

1600
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 2: even if it's a bad suspect, you still don't know anything, right,

1601
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 2: Like you're you're still cutting off that line of information.

1602
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 2: Well it's almost like you're not learning anything, and you

1603
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 2: get more and more angry about it, and so you

1604
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 2: hurt him.

1605
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: More and more to get more information. But if he

1606
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: doesn't know the information, he can't give it to you, right.

1607
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, to this day, no one thinks that

1608
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 1: he is the killer. Ugh, all the historians and shit.

1609
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: So but it turns out there's a secret suspect that

1610
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: Elliot Ness interrogated in nineteen thirty eight, but it didn't

1611
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 1: come out who it was until the nineteen seventies.

1612
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 2: Was it Herbert Hoover?

1613
01:27:55,760 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 1: It was Herbert? Turns out it was a deranged doctor. Yeah,

1614
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:05,759
Speaker 1: of course, sorry, I love that. Yeah, doctor Francis E. Sweeney.

1615
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 2: And he sounds like, you know, a fucking classic deranged doctor, okay,

1616
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 2: murderer type. Love it.

1617
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 1: He's a veteran of World War One who was part

1618
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 1: of the medical unit that conducted amputations.

1619
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 2: Why did you just laugh, Stephen?

1620
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 3: I was trying to cover up a sneeze.

1621
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 2: Oh okay, good, We're like, Oh, Steven's finally as fucked

1622
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 2: up as a Oh no, he's sneezing. I thought you

1623
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 2: laughed so hard that you like had to cover your face. Stephen.

1624
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 2: That that's when it's revealed Stephen's intensely evil and has

1625
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 2: been this entire time.

1626
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: It's the thing, the thing that gets him is World

1627
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: War one amputees.

1628
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's his fucking favorite. That's when Stephen's real personality,

1629
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 2: Steve comes out. Ste Steve.

1630
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so he's part of a medical unit that conducted

1631
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: amputations and patching's up in the field during the interrogation

1632
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 1: by Elliot Nass, who's like at this point losing a

1633
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: shit because he's so embarrassed he can't find the killer.

1634
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:05,719
Speaker 1: Sweeney said to have quote failed to pass to polygraph tests.

1635
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 1: But they were kind of in their early stages at

1636
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: the time, so that's you know, were not totally no.

1637
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 2: Back then it was just a third cop holding your

1638
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 2: finger and I go lying, not lying, very early, rudimentary.

1639
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. You can see that. You can see

1640
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 1: that in the Cleveland Cop Museum too, just that same

1641
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: cop sitting there.

1642
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 2: We're going to go meet him. It look it's the

1643
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 2: original lie detectors, just screaming at people's faces. That guy, Oh, Larry,

1644
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 2: he was amazing li best lie detector. He was a

1645
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:42,719
Speaker 2: lie detective. That's right. I don't know, it seems that okay.

1646
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 1: So it seems like elliot ness definitely thought that fucking

1647
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 1: creepy Francis E. Sweeney was the killer, but there isn't

1648
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: a lot of information on it because it turns out

1649
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 1: that Sweeney was the first cousin of one of elliot

1650
01:29:56,040 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 1: Nessa's political opponents, Congressman Martin L. Sweeney, who had been

1651
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 1: hounding Elliotness in the press publicly about his failure to

1652
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 1: catch the killer. So he was about to run again

1653
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 1: so it would look really bad. He was like, well,

1654
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 1: guess what, it's your cousin who's the killer, and no

1655
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 1: one would believe him, and then if he were wrong,

1656
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: he would ruin his career. Elians' career, Yes, very high stakes, right,

1657
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: So he's like fuck, I can't do this, but I

1658
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 1: totally think it's this dude. And then he was like

1659
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: told everyone, don't fucking tell anyone, and no one fucking

1660
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 1: told anyone until this dude was writing a book in

1661
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies and was like, shit, he was fucking

1662
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 1: Frank E.

1663
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 2: Sweeney.

1664
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 1: So after he comes under suspicion, doctor Sweeney commits himself

1665
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 1: to an insane I'm asylum and there are no more

1666
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 1: leads or connections that police could assigned to him as

1667
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: a possible suspect. From his hospital confinement, he's threatening. Postcards

1668
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: signed by Sweeney mocked and harrask here sent to elliot ness,

1669
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: and they mocked and harassed him and his family into

1670
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. Whoa he signed them F E. Sweeney

1671
01:30:54,680 --> 01:31:01,560
Speaker 1: paranoidal parent paranoidal nemesis, paranoidal parentidal nemesis.

1672
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, of course, I mean that's like kind of

1673
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 2: admitting that you did it. Oh, Like that's crazy. Yeah,

1674
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 2: he's crazy.

1675
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 1: It's possible, of course, that there were many murderers and copycats,

1676
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: which I think might be the case. Similar decapitation murders

1677
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 1: occurred in neighboring Newcastle, Pennsylvania, as well from nineteen twenty

1678
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 1: three to nineteen forty and none of those were ever

1679
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 1: solved either either. So there's a lot of similar cases.

1680
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 1: And before the first two bodies were ever found, in

1681
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four, a woman's torso washed up on this

1682
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 1: shores of Lake Erie outside of Cleveland.

1683
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,719
Speaker 2: The victims flesh had also had.

1684
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 1: The chemicals on it that looked like it had been trying

1685
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 1: to embalm her, and they called her the Lady of

1686
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 1: the Lake. But it wasn't until later that they put

1687
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 1: those they made the connection that they were all they

1688
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 1: could have been the same killer.

1689
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 2: Oh wow, but but do do do? Do? Okay? Okay.

1690
01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 1: So it's also been theorized that the Cleveland to So

1691
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 1: murder cases have some connection to January nineteen forty seven

1692
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 1: murder of Elizabeth Short aka the Black Dahlia. In fact,

1693
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: one of the many suspects from Cleveland was living a

1694
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 1: few blocks away from where the body of the Black

1695
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,799
Speaker 1: Dahlia was found seven and a half and drained of blood.

1696
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 2: No fucking way, way, So somebody that got interviewed for

1697
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 2: for the way back in the thirties or those murders

1698
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 2: in Cleveland ffteen years before huh, moves out to Sunny,

1699
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:36,759
Speaker 2: CA couple blocks away to try his hand at acting,

1700
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 2: huh or what have you?

1701
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,520
Speaker 1: Foh yeah, like, what are the fucking chances?

1702
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 2: The very low? I would guess? Or was he was? He?

1703
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 1: Like, maybe he did kill her and he just wasn't

1704
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 1: also the killer of the Torso people in Cleveland.

1705
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 2: That would would not even be more of a coincidence.

1706
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, because he'd been following the murders

1707
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 1: that whole time in Cleveland.

1708
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 2: He was like, that sounds like fine, and he killed her,

1709
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 2: so he was either way copycatting as well. Yeah, either

1710
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 2: way he killed the black tahll ya shit. Yeah.

1711
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: But it's interesting to note that doctor Sweeney, who didn't

1712
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 1: dine till nineteen sixty four, spent the rest of his

1713
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 1: life committed. He was allowed to leave for days or

1714
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:23,679
Speaker 1: weeks at a time because he committed himself, oh until

1715
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: his permanent institutionalization in nineteen fifty five.

1716
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 2: So maybe that motherfucker went to California for all? Yeah,

1717
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 2: where'd he go when he got to leave? Great question?

1718
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: Ooh Nessa's inability to catch the killer drove him fucking crazy,

1719
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 1: and it also tarnished his reputation, which we know is

1720
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: like fucking superhistoric and godly, and official police records on

1721
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 1: the case have been lost, destroyed or removed, and so

1722
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:56,799
Speaker 1: Cleveland Police Museum dot com a lot of good information

1723
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 1: there and a lot of photos. There's some gruesome ones too,

1724
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:00,680
Speaker 1: so you guys know.

1725
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 2: And also a website called Prairie Ghosts dot com got

1726
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 2: a lot of good information there as well. Nice.

1727
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 1: So that is the uh the Cleveland Torso killer or

1728
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 1: the Mad Butcher of Kingsberry run.

1729
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah. Also the fact that that that ends with

1730
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 2: hooking up to another great unsolved mystery is insane, Like

1731
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:31,679
Speaker 2: it's so good. I know, I'm crazy. Yeah, Because then

1732
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 2: it means potentially it's some say, thirty years from now

1733
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 2: they find some kind of cat whatever, Like what if

1734
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 2: one day it's solved and it's not it's the Black

1735
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 2: Dahlia and the Mad Butcher of kings Jerry, the Black

1736
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 2: Dahlia will ever be solved. I mean, that's what I

1737
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 2: ask for for Christmas. So yes, I believe that.

1738
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 1: Santa can hear me a speck of DNA and then

1739
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:58,839
Speaker 1: they put it through codis and it's related.

1740
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 2: It's the relation DNA that they have now that's so cool.

1741
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, where it can be like, uh, you're the

1742
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 1: person who's DNA this matches is related to this other

1743
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 1: person who's in Codis. Oh so even if they're not

1744
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 1: in Codis, which because they'll be so old it wouldn't

1745
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 1: be in there, but they could be like, this is

1746
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 1: the person's great grandson.

1747
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 2: So they could track them down anyway.

1748
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, if that person is in Codis.

1749
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 2: Did you ever listen to that series? And I'm not

1750
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 2: gonna be able to remember it off? Oh no, I can.

1751
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 2: It's Hollywood and Crime. Oh yeah, did you listen to that?

1752
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 2: And it's like basically all those there were a bunch

1753
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 2: of similar murders before and after. That podcast is so

1754
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 2: fucking good Hollywood and Crime. If you haven't listened to it, man,

1755
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 2: that's good. And it is. It weighs right into all

1756
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 2: this whole the Black Delia territory, Black Delia thing is.

1757
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 1: It's it's so much bigger than you thought. Yeah, and

1758
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:52,919
Speaker 1: it's it's a great podcast. Yeah, it tells all these stories.

1759
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: It tells it so well.

1760
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 2: It's like it's re enactments. I feel like I recognize

1761
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 2: some of the actors that are playing, like the cops

1762
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 2: and stuff, really good voice acting in it.

1763
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen to it from the beginning, because it's not

1764
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 1: it's episodic, it's not.

1765
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you need to know because there's all these

1766
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:10,759
Speaker 2: it's all connected. It's like it's amazing. So good. Oh

1767
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 2: that was great, Thank you Cleveland. Please let's say so

1768
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:25,360
Speaker 2: let's see Okay, all right, good job us, Good job us.

1769
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 2: That was really fun. Twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen, let's do

1770
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 2: it more haunted trains in the background. Twenty eighteen. I

1771
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 2: can't ever move from here else. I'm not gonna have

1772
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 2: a haunted train. And now it's the best.

1773
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 1: Should we start recording from a fucking train to train.

1774
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 2: Train boxcar, boxcar, from the dining car of a train

1775
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 2: where we have to wear like Forti's outfits and those

1776
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 2: pillbox hats with netting down the front, Martini's snoots, Martinis

1777
01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:00,559
Speaker 2: with tons of olives. I mean, here's the thing. More,

1778
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:03,640
Speaker 2: if we get threatened by nuclear war, even just a

1779
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 2: little bit more, I feel like I should start drinking again.

1780
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 2: I feel like nothing bad will happen.

1781
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,759
Speaker 1: I think, wait till the first mom is dropped, okay,

1782
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 1: and then I support you.

1783
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 2: But then you're right, you're right.

1784
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 1: But if you have a bummer, if you die of

1785
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 1: a seizure before you could die of nuclear holocaust, wait

1786
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:25,719
Speaker 1: till you're ready to die of a seizure.

1787
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 2: Okay, promise me. But here's the thing. The just so

1788
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,839
Speaker 2: it just says an FYI, the liquor and the seizures

1789
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 2: are not directly related. The reason I can't drink is

1790
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 2: because my medicine is bad on my liver. Oh so

1791
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 2: you can't. You basically like will like speed yourself in

1792
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 2: deliver failure if you keep drinking. But it's not good

1793
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 2: for it. But it won't immediately make me have a seizure.

1794
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 1: Okay, if we sow, tell how long I think I

1795
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 1: got a.

1796
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 2: Good six months bender in me before I drop. I

1797
01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 2: don't think that we're gonna be around that much longer. Okay, Okay,

1798
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 2: we're back. Are there updates for the story? There are updates.

1799
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, DNA Doe Project teamed up with

1800
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 1: Cuyahoga Counties Chief Medical Examiner to exhume the bodies of

1801
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 1: the John and Jane does associated with this case to

1802
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: test them for DNA and attempts to identify them using

1803
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:24,880
Speaker 1: genetic genealogy. They had planned to test the remains from

1804
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:27,680
Speaker 1: John Doe number four, which was the tattooed man, and

1805
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 1: John Doe number six, but there hasn't been anything else

1806
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 1: published regarding that, and we all know that takes such

1807
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 1: a long time, especially for cold cases where the culprit

1808
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 1: is probably deceased most likely, so they're not in a rush,

1809
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 1: but god, it'd be really incredible to get some answers there.

1810
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 2: I mean, just more and more waiting. It's like, once

1811
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 2: they start the testing, shouldn't the rule be that they

1812
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 2: have to get it done in a month or something

1813
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 2: like geez, it's like getting an RSVP to a wedding.

1814
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 1: It's like, if you don't do it by this time,

1815
01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 1: you don't get a come to the wedding.

1816
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 2: Yes, ye, right, same thing. What we're demanding is that

1817
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,760
Speaker 2: you wrap it up. But also just like what is

1818
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 2: the answer to that? Would those names bring them any

1819
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:11,719
Speaker 2: closer to finding? Like would that help center that killer?

1820
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 3: Right?

1821
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:13,799
Speaker 2: Because it's who was that killer?

1822
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems random the victims. It doesn't seem like

1823
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 1: that suddenly everyone would be like, oh, it's that guy.

1824
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 2: But it could be like.

1825
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 1: Your fucking murderer where it's like exactly, everyone news, the bartender,

1826
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:26,760
Speaker 1: wherever the place they all went to.

1827
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 2: Yes, that's my obsession. Your obsession is call cases. My

1828
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:34,799
Speaker 2: obsession is wolf hiding in plain sight, Wolf in sheeps clothing,

1829
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:38,120
Speaker 2: monster hiding in plain site. It's that is such an

1830
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:42,400
Speaker 2: ultimate brain, Like the wall in your brain is built

1831
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 2: so high, and behind it you are doing the most

1832
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 2: heinous things and like, but then you're just in the world,

1833
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:49,679
Speaker 2: able to blend.

1834
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 1: Because we want these people who do such a thing

1835
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 1: to be so obviously out there and disconnected from us.

1836
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 1: But when they're not there life maybe even better at

1837
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:04,640
Speaker 1: socializing in society than definitely me.

1838
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 2: Oh they're master's Yes, exactly. Spoiler but this is like

1839
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 2: that episode from Widow's Bay where it's the clown Killer

1840
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 2: and he he hangs out with.

1841
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:17,200
Speaker 1: As soon as I saw him, I was like, he

1842
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:18,320
Speaker 1: that guy.

1843
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:21,000
Speaker 2: And then that part where he he's in the crowds

1844
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 2: down like hey, buddy needs it's the scariest words you've

1845
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 2: ever heard, Right, That's what's so scary. It's like canny.

1846
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 1: That's why I think we like messy people because we're like, oh,

1847
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 1: they don't have their shit together enough to be like

1848
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 1: a cunning secret murderer.

1849
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 2: No, they're all all their shit's on the table and

1850
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 2: they can't seem to get it picked back up. They're

1851
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:40,679
Speaker 2: just it's just there.

1852
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 1: Enjoy I like a messy pickup sticks, so a person.

1853
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:50,639
Speaker 2: I like costumes, nice clarity, and no hiding, especially murderous impulses. Okay,

1854
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:52,640
Speaker 2: now we are going to get into good things of

1855
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 2: the week for this episode.

1856
01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 1: I think this nuclear holocaust is now that is the

1857
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 1: end where we say something pop.

1858
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 2: Well the upswing a.

1859
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 1: I had such a good time doing jack shit over

1860
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 1: the holidays, and I'm like, you know what, when the

1861
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 1: nuclear vincent are going to hold up in here, We've

1862
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 1: got water, we've got cat food. I will like to

1863
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 1: say this do I got an argument with someone about

1864
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 1: how I wouldn't eat my.

1865
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 2: Cats what the fuck? And they were like, you have to.

1866
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:24,679
Speaker 1: I just remembered I got really mad at this guy,

1867
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 1: my friend's cousin at the Magic Castle Good because we

1868
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 1: got in this argument about.

1869
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 2: Like, uh, you'd eat what? You would eat your cats?

1870
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:34,479
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'd kill myself before you eat my

1871
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 1: cats if I'm like if I have to, and he's like, no,

1872
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 1: you wouldn't, Like fuck you I.

1873
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:41,320
Speaker 2: Got like some mad, and I was like, why am

1874
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:44,599
Speaker 2: I talking to this guy? And turned Also, first of all,

1875
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 2: have you ever seen this cat? There's not a insively

1876
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 2: on his body. That's what I was saying. For what

1877
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 2: three extra days? That's just giblets. Yeah, and you got

1878
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 2: nothing going on in that cat. That pouch on his

1879
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 2: belly is just skin. That's yeah, you could, you could

1880
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:58,040
Speaker 2: chew on it, but.

1881
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, still, so I'd have three extra days of living

1882
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 1: knowing I'd eaten my cat, but I'll just die.

1883
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,759
Speaker 2: Sorry, why are we entertaining this? This is a person

1884
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 2: that's someone's cousin. You don't even know them, and they're

1885
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 2: telling you how you.

1886
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 1: Would be they do they know that my cats have

1887
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:12,839
Speaker 1: Instagram accounts?

1888
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know shit about Your kids are money makers.

1889
01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 2: You're not going to eat them. I love my cats

1890
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:20,320
Speaker 2: so much that I have an Instagram account for them.

1891
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 2: I'm not going to eat them. That's the only way

1892
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 2: to prove love anymore. I know.

1893
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like one of that tries to tell me about

1894
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 1: how to take care of my cats, I'm like, they

1895
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:28,639
Speaker 1: have an Instagram account, clearly, I'm.

1896
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 2: That's like all I think of it. And then you

1897
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 2: just slam the door.

1898
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have sixty six hundred follower bill me uh.

1899
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:38,800
Speaker 2: Anyhow so peace and loved everybody else. Oh, this is

1900
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:42,280
Speaker 2: what I was gonna say. Don't take the nuclear strike

1901
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 2: off your worry table, okay, because there are just reams

1902
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 2: and loads of people in between. There's no button on

1903
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 2: his desk. Okay, that's not how it's happening. Yeah, and

1904
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 2: there's people. There's things happening. Do you think that they.

1905
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 1: Put like one of those staples we got the got

1906
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 1: that buttons on his desk from like here.

1907
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 2: It's and then he's like pressing, Yeah, yeah, there's it's

1908
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:09,600
Speaker 2: It's not gonna go down like that.

1909
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:11,639
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'll worry about other things.

1910
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 2: In the meantime. I feel like I feel like there's

1911
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 2: so much to worry about, and that one is so

1912
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 2: overarching as a child of the as a true child

1913
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 2: of the nuclear age, right where that was actually a

1914
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 2: true concern of ours, like they would talk to us

1915
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 2: about it in school. That's how old I am. Don't

1916
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 2: do that to yourself because it's just you know, it's

1917
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 2: just because in the dark thing to say. But it's

1918
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 2: like because you maybe the thing you should be worried

1919
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 2: about is getting it by bus? Like you just don't know. Yeah,

1920
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:41,880
Speaker 2: we don't.

1921
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: I'm thinking globally and I with problems, and I need

1922
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 1: to think locally.

1923
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 2: You need to act locally.

1924
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, locally with problems, and I need to make you

1925
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 1: a martini clearly.

1926
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. And I

1927
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 2: know I've said this before. I'm really good being drunk.

1928
01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I don't slur, I don't try to

1929
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:01,599
Speaker 2: tell you secrets. I don't fucking do anything. Why would

1930
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 2: I want to hang out with you and give you

1931
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 2: a drink because I bring all this other stuff to

1932
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:05,719
Speaker 2: the table.

1933
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 1: Dying in secrets are my favorite. How do you feel

1934
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 1: about fist fights?

1935
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 2: Because I think, as a girl, you probably haven't gone

1936
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:14,840
Speaker 2: into the realm the way you could have, the way

1937
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:15,439
Speaker 2: you can be.

1938
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 1: In one fist fight? Do you know that the I do.

1939
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:20,759
Speaker 2: I've never actually gotten into a fistfight, but one time,

1940
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:26,720
Speaker 2: in a total whiskey blackout on New Year's at the

1941
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:31,479
Speaker 2: San Francisco Punchline in the nineties, I a girl leaned

1942
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:34,240
Speaker 2: across the bar and started yelling at the bartender. Now

1943
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:36,240
Speaker 2: it could have been his girlfriend. She could have been

1944
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 2: doing a bit. It was a comedy club. I do

1945
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:40,640
Speaker 2: not know what was going on. All I know is

1946
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:42,680
Speaker 2: the next thing I did is grab her finger and

1947
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:47,680
Speaker 2: twist it around her back. And because the bartender was

1948
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 2: really nice and it made me like what she was

1949
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:53,720
Speaker 2: doing was so fucking irritated to me. And then the

1950
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:55,680
Speaker 2: next thing I knew, there was a big circle of

1951
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 2: people standing way back from me, and the girl was

1952
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 2: crying and going why didn't dude? And then I was like, oh,

1953
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 2: what did I do? I had no idea what I did.

1954
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:06,479
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And then my friend like basically had

1955
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 2: to usher me out because I was like, wait, what happened?

1956
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:13,639
Speaker 2: But I didn't know that I finger assaulted her. You're

1957
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:16,840
Speaker 2: not getting a drink. I'm sorry. It gets pretty serious

1958
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:21,920
Speaker 2: pretty quick, but it sounds fun. It is fun. Well

1959
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:23,560
Speaker 2: you know what it is, because you know, sometimes you

1960
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 2: go out and nothing happens that would never happen with me.

1961
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 2: There's always something is going to go down.

1962
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 1: Oh man, all right, last day on the planet. Yeah,

1963
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:38,080
Speaker 1: meet me here, great with a bottle of Well, let's

1964
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:40,360
Speaker 1: go out. Let's meet here and then we're going to

1965
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:40,920
Speaker 1: go somewhere.

1966
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:43,560
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, we'll start here. And oh and you know

1967
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:47,679
Speaker 2: Vince is like the funniest strong that's he's the greatest. Yeah,

1968
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 2: and he'd probably be able to keep me in line. Yeah,

1969
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 2: I was, Stephen, you're a designated driver. Perfect, No, Stephen,

1970
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:59,360
Speaker 2: you were gonna do last day uber uh huh. And

1971
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 2: well it'll be a dance. We'd pick people up. Yeah,

1972
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 2: so that stays over And in meantime, all searching some

1973
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:09,559
Speaker 2: research about one of those weird hidden bunkers like that

1974
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,720
Speaker 2: holds five hundred people. We'll figure out where there is

1975
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:13,760
Speaker 2: one that a man's been working on for we'll go

1976
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 2: Hamay since the eighties, and we'll just collect up drugs.

1977
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 2: We'll get people who have good drugs okay, good liquor,

1978
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:23,719
Speaker 2: good personalities, and we'll all go into a mount lots

1979
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:26,559
Speaker 2: of dogs. Dogs would be fun. But then there's cats.

1980
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:28,679
Speaker 1: He can go on like a backpack or something. Okay,

1981
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 1: all right, all right, great, that's my happy thought.

1982
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 2: Perfect. I feel like we just did that. Yeah, I

1983
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 2: mean I think that's we covered that. There's lots to

1984
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 2: be stressed about these days. But also don't forget in

1985
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 2: your stress. Then also just start making up a fun plan,

1986
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:46,599
Speaker 2: okay to kind of counteract your stress. It's I think

1987
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,599
Speaker 2: it's a it relieves tension, something to look forward to

1988
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:57,599
Speaker 2: for sure. Okay, I like it and we're back. Does

1989
01:46:57,640 --> 01:46:58,280
Speaker 2: it bother you know what?

1990
01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 1: It bothers me that I was guessing something was going

1991
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 1: to happen in the world in the near future, and

1992
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:10,320
Speaker 1: I was off by like a nuclear strike and a virus.

1993
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 1: I was definitely of the idea that an antibiotic resistant

1994
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:18,120
Speaker 1: virus would happen. But so it's just like a little

1995
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:20,639
Speaker 1: bit off. If I had fucking got it right, man.

1996
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:22,599
Speaker 2: God, I'd be the president. You'd be dead.

1997
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we'd all be like the NASA scientists. Actually

1998
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:28,600
Speaker 1: that would be a horrible fucking.

1999
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:31,639
Speaker 2: Thing also to compare. But it's like the stand where

2000
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:36,760
Speaker 2: just like the massive insane like you want to think

2001
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 2: that you would be able to know when something like

2002
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 2: a deadly, fast spreading virus is going to come out

2003
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 2: and just wipe out yeah, a big part of the planet. Nope,

2004
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 2: tell yourself. You would know the signs and signals. Course,

2005
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 2: But here we are. I told you that we were

2006
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 2: in the smokehouse the other night and there was an

2007
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:58,120
Speaker 2: emergency alert that came up on the TV screens and

2008
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:01,120
Speaker 2: then everyone's phone started going off. Oh, get out of

2009
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 2: don't be in a crowd right now? What was it

2010
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 2: was with Scotty Landis? And I looked over and I'm like, yep,

2011
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:08,599
Speaker 2: this is where this is exactly where we'd be. Then

2012
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:10,200
Speaker 2: the nuclear bombs go off.

2013
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 1: That's like a bad place to be, though, they got

2014
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:13,520
Speaker 1: good Martinies.

2015
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 2: Lock us in hell, Yeah, get the Valet guys in

2016
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:20,479
Speaker 2: here and let's lock these doors. That's right. So this

2017
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:25,559
Speaker 2: episode was originally named Decompressions, which I love. It sounds

2018
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 2: like a massage therapy store in the mall. But if

2019
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:32,400
Speaker 2: we were naming it today, we could call it, for example,

2020
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:33,680
Speaker 2: proactive sexism.

2021
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:37,000
Speaker 1: That seems like a double negative, doesn't it.

2022
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:39,240
Speaker 2: I think so? Or just or what if it's super

2023
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 2: positive a lot if it turns out to be the answer.

2024
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:44,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Okay. We could also call it man's

2025
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:45,800
Speaker 1: blaming asteroids.

2026
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 2: Of course I like that one, h or original Jersey

2027
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:54,439
Speaker 2: A high quality cow garbage based activities is good.

2028
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 1: I love that one. And then off your worry table.

2029
01:48:58,720 --> 01:48:59,799
Speaker 1: I love a worry table.

2030
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:02,400
Speaker 2: That's good. And then of course nobody has to worry

2031
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 2: because of something big happens. We'll all go into a mountain.

2032
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:09,519
Speaker 2: That's my big plan for mountains. We've raven a mountain.

2033
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 2: Pick your favorite title. That's what we do. Yep. And

2034
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:16,120
Speaker 2: other than that, that's this week's episode of the Rewind.

2035
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:19,200
Speaker 1: Let's go back to good old twenty eighteen and let

2036
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 1: my sweet baby boy Elvis say goodbye.

2037
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening you guys. Welcome to twenty eighteen. Guys,

2038
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:29,840
Speaker 2: we're so happy to be in this year with you.

2039
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:31,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna do it. We're gonna we're gonna make this

2040
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:32,599
Speaker 2: gear count.

2041
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:36,760
Speaker 1: We are so Stay sexy and don't get murdered by

2042
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 1: bye Elvis.

2043
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 2: You want cookie? Whoa, that was a good one. He's

2044
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,640
Speaker 2: right there, he's so ready.