Speaker 1: What's up family, it's your girl, Tamika d. Mallory and
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: Your boy might start a general.
Speaker 3: And we are your hosts of Street Politicians, the place
Speaker 3: where the streets and politics me.
Speaker 1: What's going on? Family?
Speaker 3: We are in the last episode of season seven, so
Speaker 3: just interesting and you know, really, I mean, I just
Speaker 3: I guess I'm proud of us that for seven seasons
Speaker 3: we've been going strong, you know, really trying to bring
Speaker 3: together all the things we care about, all the things
Speaker 3: happening in our society, and talk about it on each week.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know anyone who has a podcast,
Speaker 3: or anybody who's written a book, or anybody who works
Speaker 3: on projects knows that sitting still focusing on your.
Speaker 1: Podcast or focusing on any type of project.
Speaker 3: Like I said, it's a lot of work, especially with
Speaker 3: us the way that we travel and having to be
Speaker 3: in hotels and the corner of the car and the
Speaker 3: lobby of the place, and just trying to make sure
Speaker 3: that we pump out this content and get you all
Speaker 3: information every week. Is it is a task that we're
Speaker 3: up for, but nonetheless it is a true task. And
Speaker 3: so for seven seasons we've been going strong, working alongside
Speaker 3: our family at Catscape Production, Janice and Anastasia and Cat
Speaker 3: Trig herself, and then of course our team at Bond
Speaker 3: Brand Management, LaToya Latitia. Just so many people that it
Speaker 3: takes to pull this show together. And I was talking
Speaker 3: to another friend of ours, Monique Presley, who has her
Speaker 3: own show, and she was saying, and this on her
Speaker 3: show is on Instagram. It's not even like a show
Speaker 3: that has to go through a distribution network, like she's
Speaker 3: producing a show on Instagram. But she was talking about
Speaker 3: the editors and the people that she works closely with,
Speaker 3: and it is truly.
Speaker 1: A lot of work.
Speaker 3: So for seven seasons, many of y'all have been with
Speaker 3: us from the beginning. I know my sister Sharon Mallory
Speaker 3: watches every single episode. She's the critique lady, the cheerleader.
Speaker 3: She likes the content, she gets a lot of information
Speaker 3: and also shares a lot of stuff with us. So
Speaker 3: I just want to say thank you to everybody who's
Speaker 3: been sticking with us, the new, the old, The ind
Speaker 3: between people who have sent us messages were all types
Speaker 3: of love, and of course all the guests throughout the year.
Speaker 1: You know, at one point one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: I was consuner right, I was concerned, and I was.
Speaker 3: I was apprehensive because I know how difficult it is
Speaker 3: to track down celebrities and trying to get them booked
Speaker 3: to do your show. And if you show numbers are
Speaker 3: not like you know whatever, you don't have the numbers
Speaker 3: of the Breakfast Club. It's not easy to get certain
Speaker 3: types of guests to see the I mean yeah, certain
Speaker 3: types of guests, certain types of personalities and influencers to
Speaker 3: see the the value in going to your show versus
Speaker 3: going to someone else's show. But what I appreciate is
Speaker 3: that between you, my son, and of course our whole
Speaker 3: team at Black Effect Network. Of course you know Charlemagne
Speaker 3: being you know, the key leader there, and.
Speaker 1: Of course Dolly a bunch of folks. But everybody said, stick.
Speaker 3: Exactly where you are, provide information, don't worry about trying
Speaker 3: to get celebrities, just make People will follow if you lead,
Speaker 3: if you give them the content. And You've been saying
Speaker 3: that since the beginning. And once I sort of got
Speaker 3: that monkey off my back of worrying about who was
Speaker 3: going to be the guests and who we are going
Speaker 3: to have on every week, and I just started to
Speaker 3: focus on the people who are our friends who do
Speaker 3: good work. It seems like from there we've been, you know,
Speaker 3: really jelling and doing a good job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I told you, you build it and they'll come, man.
Speaker 4: So like, shout out to everybody who's been with us.
Speaker 4: It's been a long journey. You know, we're just getting
Speaker 4: better and better. We're learning more. Like you said, we
Speaker 4: want to be more content based instead of you know,
Speaker 4: guest based, but we do want guests who have who
Speaker 4: can contribute something to the culture, contribute something to the
Speaker 4: conversations and the dialogues that we have because we know that,
Speaker 4: you know, our perspectives are more you know, we we
Speaker 4: we come from a different lens. It's like I come
Speaker 4: from a different lens than you, and sometimes we need
Speaker 4: people that come from different lens than us and have
Speaker 4: more expertise and understanding on different topics.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: So it's this This is like you said, it's been
Speaker 4: a journey, but it's been a good journey. I enjoy
Speaker 4: giving the content, I enjoy getting feedback. I enjoy our dialogues.
Speaker 4: I enjoy just educating because a lot of times we
Speaker 4: come because we have to do this this show, we
Speaker 4: edu ourselves on things that we probably normally will just see,
Speaker 4: but we know that we have to provide you know,
Speaker 4: we have to provide content for our listeners and and
Speaker 4: our fans and the people who support us. So we
Speaker 4: delve into these different topics and we listen and we
Speaker 4: hear different and we get perspectives that we probably normally
Speaker 4: wouldn't have got if we weren't doing this show. So this,
Speaker 4: this show has definitely been a blessing for me. I'm
Speaker 4: looking forward to where it can go. I know, we
Speaker 4: have big ideas that we want to do moving forward,
Speaker 4: a lot of you know, rearranging and adding and just
Speaker 4: building it up because we understand how important it is,
Speaker 4: you know, like especially in these times that we all
Speaker 4: we understand how important media media is.
Speaker 2: You know, we've watched people control media.
Speaker 4: Us being you know, doing this work, being in the
Speaker 4: civil rights space and being in the social justice space.
Speaker 4: We understand how media works. And we've been victims of media.
Speaker 4: We watched people paint pictures of us that you had
Speaker 4: me looking at the media has had me looking at
Speaker 4: the screen like, who are they talking about?
Speaker 2: That? Ain't Patrician Sunny talking about? You know what?
Speaker 4: I'm saying, so we understand that we want to we
Speaker 4: want to bring some level of integrity, especially for our
Speaker 4: audience and people in our communities who normally wouldn't go
Speaker 4: to CNN or or all all of these spaces, and
Speaker 4: they don't and they don't care too much about the
Speaker 4: people on the blog site. So we want to be
Speaker 4: the condom between all those things. We want to take
Speaker 4: information from, you know, to the mainstream news. We want
Speaker 4: to take information from the blog sites that we know
Speaker 4: is pertinent that our people need to know and be
Speaker 4: able to convey messages and give them information that is
Speaker 4: needed to them. So, you know, I look forward to
Speaker 4: this journey. I appreciate you listening to me because I
Speaker 4: had to invite you to do this podcast, but you know,
Speaker 4: you came along, and here we.
Speaker 2: Are that I did.
Speaker 3: I came along, and I'm glad you said blog sites
Speaker 3: because we definitely need to make a distinction in what
Speaker 3: is media.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So maybe some you can call some stuff news, you
Speaker 3: could call some things, you know, information, but media is
Speaker 3: very different from blog sites and we just need to
Speaker 3: also just people need to remember that and sometimes you
Speaker 3: could get the real story from the blog site versus
Speaker 3: going to the news. Sometimes it's vice versa, but it's
Speaker 3: always better to check the resources of people who are
Speaker 3: actually engaged in a situation.
Speaker 1: So same thing with Jada Pinkett. You know, you look.
Speaker 3: At both the news and the blog sites and all
Speaker 3: the things that they were saying, and then I started
Speaker 3: to get into the book and really listen to interviews
Speaker 3: and I'm like, wow, they're like, none of what is
Speaker 3: being said here in terms of this negative pr that
Speaker 3: was surrounding her, which we've talked about a million times,
Speaker 3: was accurate. And now I'm starting to see that. And
Speaker 3: this is why I love Jada so much, because I
Speaker 3: was speaking to her frequently leading up to the event
Speaker 3: that she came to that we produced in Atlanta, and
Speaker 3: you know, she was not even talking about She was
Speaker 3: like focused on her tour, focused on getting the things
Speaker 3: that she needs to do, and of course.
Speaker 1: Taking care of her family.
Speaker 3: She's always dealing with the kids, dealing with something that's
Speaker 3: going on, and doing her business. And she was not like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, what they say and what do you
Speaker 3: think and blah blah blah. It was me more than
Speaker 3: anything online fighting people posting stuff, because that's what you
Speaker 3: need your friends to do to show up for you
Speaker 3: so you can stay focused on what you have going on.
Speaker 3: But now that the tour is happening, more and more
Speaker 3: people are starting I'm seeing it posted in her stories,
Speaker 3: I'm seeing other people writing it. I'm seeing people in
Speaker 3: my comments being like, yo, I've read the book, or
Speaker 3: I'm into you know, I went to an event, i
Speaker 3: heard her speak firsthand, or I read the book and
Speaker 3: what folks is talking about it's just not what it is.
Speaker 1: It's just not there. And so I realized, you.
Speaker 3: Know, and I think that was her position, is that
Speaker 3: they've been through so many rounds of this where either
Speaker 3: being misunderstood, just being a black woman in general, being
Speaker 3: a black family, being a family that has been sort
Speaker 3: of open in terms of, you know, information that they
Speaker 3: give out to the world. They know that it's going
Speaker 3: to be attacked, people are going to say things. You
Speaker 3: gotta stay focused. And that's the thing is staying focused
Speaker 3: despite all the noise that's going on around us.
Speaker 1: And that's not.
Speaker 3: Really easy, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's not
Speaker 3: really easy. Sometimes it's not really easy. I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 3: like sometimes it's hard for me to be like stay focused.
Speaker 3: But anyway, speaking us staying focused, the attack on Gaza
Speaker 3: and the attack on the Palestinian people is still happening.
Speaker 3: You know, I was thinking, as I was working on
Speaker 3: what we would talk about today, I was thinking that
Speaker 3: some of my Jewish brothers and sisters, especially the ones
Speaker 3: that are not actively engaged in the social justice movement,
Speaker 3: right because not all of anybody. It's not all black people,
Speaker 3: not all Jewish people, not all white people, not all
Speaker 3: brown people.
Speaker 1: Some people it's just your friend because you just met
Speaker 1: them in passing on the road.
Speaker 3: You know, you met them at an event, you may
Speaker 3: have met them, and you know I'm not I am
Speaker 3: not only in movement spaces.
Speaker 1: There's other things I do.
Speaker 3: I meet people from the strip club to the freaking
Speaker 3: corporate offices, right, so you can meet all different types
Speaker 3: of people. And I've also met some Jewish people who
Speaker 3: I consider to be friends that are not in the
Speaker 3: movement every day marching, protesting or whatever.
Speaker 1: They still they do fundamentally.
Speaker 3: Believe in the values, because otherwise we wouldn't be friends
Speaker 3: at all. But in this last few weeks they certainly
Speaker 3: have been very very conflicted and angry and frustrated and
Speaker 3: concerned and all the things which they should be after
Speaker 3: an attack happened on their people, and so they have
Speaker 3: every right to feel that way. And I have sent condolences,
Speaker 3: had conversations. I've had some tough conversations, and I can
Speaker 3: feel where some people, while they don't want to see
Speaker 3: other people die either, they do feel a strong sense
Speaker 3: of a need for retribution. And I think that's like normal, right,
Speaker 3: Like it's normal that if you're in a family and
Speaker 3: one of your kids is killed, you might not want
Speaker 3: to see another child killed, but there is something inside
Speaker 3: of you that kind of says, if something happens to
Speaker 3: either the killer or their friend or family member or something,
Speaker 3: there's something deep inside of you that has a sense
Speaker 3: of an urge for retribution.
Speaker 1: You have to silence that. Like it's where your morality
Speaker 1: speaks up.
Speaker 3: It's where because I'm not going to sit here and
Speaker 3: say although I did go to court for the men
Speaker 3: who killed my son's father, you know, against them and
Speaker 3: wanted to see them held accountable, and over time I
Speaker 3: stopped investing myself and that we used to write letters
Speaker 3: to try to make sure they didn't get out. You know,
Speaker 3: my son was doing that when he was young, but
Speaker 3: then I was no longer invested in that the more
Speaker 3: that I've engaged in this work, because I understand the
Speaker 3: circumstances of everything at play are larger than a prison
Speaker 3: cell or a prison building can contain, hold.
Speaker 1: And or heal. It can't.
Speaker 3: It's just it's so much bigger than that, you know,
Speaker 3: And so I had to let go of it. But
Speaker 3: there is a sense inside of me that went in
Speaker 3: that courtroom and also had conversations with other family members
Speaker 3: on the street, where it feels like retribution is necessary.
Speaker 3: Both then your humanity and your morality and all of
Speaker 3: that kicks in. And when it kicks in, you have
Speaker 3: to say to yourself a few questions, I think, and
Speaker 3: you know, of course you can say how you feel.
Speaker 1: I think. First question is how do we get here?
Speaker 3: You have to ask that, like you got to start with,
Speaker 3: was my child if we talked about just Ray Ray
Speaker 3: and them in our community, We're not talking about Palestine
Speaker 3: for now or Israel. We're talking about just us. If
Speaker 3: my child is out terrorizing communities doing wrong, or my brother,
Speaker 3: my sister whomever, terrorizing people selling drugs or scamming, robbing, killing, shooting,
Speaker 3: doing whatever to traumatize communities and other people.
Speaker 1: That's the foundation of how we got here. Now, I
Speaker 1: could go.
Speaker 3: Through, well, his father's dead, or his aunt did this,
Speaker 3: or he was molested.
Speaker 1: Or I could go through or you know, we was
Speaker 1: put whatever.
Speaker 3: All those things true, But I still need to go
Speaker 3: at least to a foundational point and figure out what
Speaker 3: about my child has been a part of the center
Speaker 3: of this issue. Foundational, Right, that's the first question.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: The next question we have to ask is who is
Speaker 3: the leader that is now dealing with the retribution?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Is the retribution being left to individuals who truly have
Speaker 3: the best concern for me, for my family or the
Speaker 3: or the accountability. Who's accountability being left in the hands
Speaker 3: of That's the question who. That's a good question to make.
Speaker 3: Who's accountability being left in the handser? Is it the person?
Speaker 3: Is it a person who cares about both? Is it
Speaker 3: a person who is fair and going to be equitable
Speaker 3: and how they choose to deal with it, or is
Speaker 3: it a person that could care less about my child
Speaker 3: or the other child, or the other family or the
Speaker 3: other side or you know, however, we want to set
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 1: Right, So you got to ask that.
Speaker 3: And then the third thing is what is a reasonable response,
Speaker 3: And of course an addendum to that is when is
Speaker 3: enough enough?
Speaker 1: I think those are fair things?
Speaker 2: What you think I think? I think they're all f
Speaker 2: and things. You know what I want.
Speaker 4: What I want to say for me, right is when
Speaker 4: we look at when we look at this situation in totality.
Speaker 4: You know, you made a speech, right, and you said
Speaker 4: something and it resonates right now and when you said,
Speaker 4: we learn violence from you, right, And if you want
Speaker 4: us to do better, then you got to do better.
Speaker 4: And the work that I do with boycott black murder
Speaker 4: and raising kings and stopping violence and violence interrupted in
Speaker 4: these communities is what we tell these kids that retribution
Speaker 4: is not the answer.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: We tell these kids that we're gonna get We're gonna
Speaker 4: get Ray Ray and Jojo one hundred years. If he
Speaker 4: shoot the boy who shot his brother, right, he gonna
Speaker 4: get a hundred years. They gonna call him a thug,
Speaker 4: They ca him the worst person in the world. So
Speaker 4: for you to expect me to do this work as
Speaker 4: a man and go into these communities and talk to
Speaker 4: these kids and stop them from shooting up and retaliating
Speaker 4: against people that shot them, and people who've done that,
Speaker 4: and then America is saying that, you know what, We're
Speaker 4: going to fund someone to not only just shoot the
Speaker 4: people who shot them, but shoot anybody around them. But
Speaker 4: this kids, grandmother's dogs or anything. It's not it's not realistic,
Speaker 4: it's not balance. It doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 4: I can't even have that conversation if I don't tell
Speaker 4: you that you are wrong, right, if we're not calling
Speaker 4: out our own government that tells us that you know
Speaker 4: that violence in the communities is wrong. And they talk
Speaker 4: about how all of the ship that's going on, They
Speaker 4: point to Chicago and said, it's a big problem, but
Speaker 4: we're willing to give billions and millions of dollars to
Speaker 4: other countries to fund their violence, right, not not even
Speaker 4: the fund.
Speaker 2: Because they say that you have a you have the
Speaker 2: right to defend yourself, right defense? What is what do
Speaker 2: they call defense? Right? What do we call the defense?
Speaker 2: If we call the defense that.
Speaker 4: If you shoot me and I get away, I have
Speaker 4: the right to go and shoot and kill your whole
Speaker 4: family and the family of the family and the people
Speaker 4: that live next door, right.
Speaker 2: It's what are we actually saying? You know?
Speaker 4: So, I think for me it's it's it's a morality thing.
Speaker 4: It's an understanding. Even if even if we're not even
Speaker 4: talking about the whole the whole conflict and where it
Speaker 4: started and where even if we if we just ignore
Speaker 4: those things, if we're not if we just we just
Speaker 4: novice to this situation. We come seeing dead babies every day, right,
Speaker 4: seeing school's bombs, seeing hospitals bombs. My morality kicks in, right,
Speaker 4: My morality kicks in and says to me that it's
Speaker 4: just not right. And I wouldn't want that even if
Speaker 4: if somebody, if I, if my one of my brothers died,
Speaker 4: I will not want to see the family and the
Speaker 4: whole family of the person who killed my brother die.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to see the kids babies die because
Speaker 4: I don't hold I do not hold those kids responsible
Speaker 4: for that right. So we have to we have to
Speaker 4: speak realistically. We got to have real conversations. You know,
Speaker 4: and and and I don't understand how like I understand
Speaker 4: how you know, I understand the retribution, understand and and
Speaker 4: even I understand that understand the human nature of retribution.
Speaker 4: I understand the human nature of self defense. And under
Speaker 4: the eye for an eye two for too, for understanding.
Speaker 4: But you can't have an eye for two bodies, right,
Speaker 4: You can't have an eye for a whole family, right,
Speaker 4: because it's supposed to be an eye for us. So
Speaker 4: when we when we, when we really sitting down, the
Speaker 4: morality of any person of h with humanitarian causes and
Speaker 4: understanding should look and say, serve shit just ain't okay,
Speaker 4: you know, And me, my my morality just won't. It
Speaker 4: just won't allow me to do that. It wonn't allow
Speaker 4: me to do it for my own you know. So
Speaker 4: I so I have to I have to tell people
Speaker 4: you have to look deep. You gotta look deep into yourself.
Speaker 4: If you look at the situation that as what's going
Speaker 4: on in Gaza, and you and you find that the
Speaker 4: thousands of babies that are dying and justifying, right, that
Speaker 4: you find that blowing up schools and blowing up.
Speaker 2: Hospitals and and and pretty much.
Speaker 4: And refugee camps, if you think that it is justified
Speaker 4: because of what happened on October seventh, which was a
Speaker 4: horrible situation and right, and there should be people held
Speaker 4: accountable for that. But you if you think a whole
Speaker 4: race and a whole nation and people should be held
Speaker 4: accountable and wiped out for that situation. Then that's something
Speaker 4: that you have to deal with personally. And I think
Speaker 4: the world is speaking of I think when you have
Speaker 4: three hundred thousand people go to Washington, DC of all nationalities, Jewish, Black, White, Asian,
Speaker 4: every nationality. I watched the old lady on the internet
Speaker 4: yesterday who said that she was she had a sign
Speaker 4: and she said, I'm a Jewish woman, and in fact,
Speaker 4: she said, anti anti Semitic to me is the fact
Speaker 4: that you would believe that all Jewish people, or even
Speaker 4: most Jewish people support killing innocent Palestinian babies.
Speaker 2: That's anti semitic to her.
Speaker 4: She said, I will not stop, I will not take
Speaker 4: my sign off, I will not support Israel. I will
Speaker 4: not allow you to do this in the name of us.
Speaker 4: So I think it's more it's a morality thing. It's
Speaker 4: not because when we when we look at Black Lives Matter,
Speaker 4: and we looked at George Floyd, the street there was
Speaker 4: you you probably would find one person that was black.
Speaker 2: They're probably like, you know, they shouldn't be out there
Speaker 2: doing that.
Speaker 4: And there might have been Kandace Ois Candice Owis and
Speaker 4: Kanye might have been the only people that said some
Speaker 4: dumb shit, but for the most part.
Speaker 2: The rest of the world was like, Nah, that shit
Speaker 2: ain't okay.
Speaker 4: That's that's that's against us, that's and and so what
Speaker 4: I'm trying to say is we we understand the morality
Speaker 4: is something that when we look at it, the totality
Speaker 4: and totality, it's a moral issue. And even though it
Speaker 4: might have been a black person that died, but the
Speaker 4: whole world looked at said no, this shit is not okay,
Speaker 4: and it was in most black people. Ninety nine percent
Speaker 4: of Black people said it wasn't okay. So when you
Speaker 4: look and see that even the Jewish people, and I
Speaker 4: think more more.
Speaker 2: They're probably a more.
Speaker 4: I can't actually say, but I think there are more
Speaker 4: Jewish people that say, nah, we understand. We definitely want harmoster,
Speaker 4: you know, to be calleded and deal with the consequences
Speaker 4: of what they did, but we're not okay to watch
Speaker 4: you innocent babies.
Speaker 3: Well, when you say more, what we would say is
Speaker 3: more than before. Like maybe not in terms of the
Speaker 3: full community. We can't determine the numbers of whether it's
Speaker 3: more Jewish people, but we know it's more people in
Speaker 3: the street today that are Jewish who are standing up
Speaker 3: for Palestinian rights and just for peace and to stop
Speaker 3: the attack. There are more people than it has been
Speaker 3: in the past, and so certainly absolutely, hands down, unequivocally,
Speaker 3: we you know, we know there must be a ceasefire.
Speaker 3: That's a basic ceasefire is the basic thing that this
Speaker 3: administration could call for at this time. America is completely
Speaker 3: out of his mind to to stand by. And I
Speaker 3: never thought about what you said that we live in
Speaker 3: a country that if a police officer wrongfully and everybody
Speaker 3: knows it kills an innocent person, that this country tells
Speaker 3: us the answer.
Speaker 1: Is go to core, go through a process.
Speaker 3: Even none eleven while they and they have admitted none
Speaker 3: eleven because of the you know, the the response to
Speaker 3: none eleven, America has admitted that they made mistakes, They
Speaker 3: went too far in some places, they did things that
Speaker 3: were not We're not right from a humanitarian perspective.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: They admitted that because it's been on the news, they've
Speaker 3: been talking about it. But nonetheless they will tell us
Speaker 3: when we are killed and innocent people die, and people
Speaker 3: see a George Floyd or all of that which is traumatizing,
Speaker 3: they say there's a process, there has to be accountability,
Speaker 3: there's all this and that, and a lot of times
Speaker 3: that most times that process doesn't work for us. They
Speaker 3: never say that black people have the right to defend
Speaker 3: itself for ourselves or they never say that, never say that.
Speaker 3: But yet we are funding another country, another nation or
Speaker 3: whatever they're called, and another because another state, another state.
Speaker 3: There you go, another state murdering people in the name
Speaker 3: of it having the right to defend itself, when America
Speaker 3: has never held Israel accountable for the atrocities that happened
Speaker 3: before October seventh. So it's hypocritical.
Speaker 1: So that's why I say to my.
Speaker 3: Jewish brothers and sisters, because they write me, some of
Speaker 3: them come into my comments, my dms, and they say,
Speaker 3: why aren't people saying enough or standing up for us
Speaker 3: as well? And I feel like the way that if
Speaker 3: I and I said this to one of my sisters
Speaker 3: who I love dearly deally, she's a friend, a sister
Speaker 3: to me, and I said to her, this is something
Speaker 3: that you have to turn around and go back to
Speaker 3: looking at this government that is governing Israel because they
Speaker 3: are not helping your cause. They are not helping your
Speaker 3: cause in fact, what they are doing is hardening people.
Speaker 3: And President Obama talked about that in the letter that
Speaker 3: he wrote that people globally will be hardened against Israel
Speaker 3: for the actions that they are taking if it is
Speaker 3: not managed properly, because that is.
Speaker 1: What you see.
Speaker 3: You see people who are saying, hold up. I know
Speaker 3: October seventh was horrific. I know October seventh was terrible
Speaker 3: and it shouldn't have happened. I know that, But I
Speaker 3: need to go to October first of two thousand and
Speaker 3: ten and twenty and eleven, and to let's go to the.
Speaker 1: October seventh of the past. Where was America.
Speaker 3: At the table holding Israel accountable for its atrocities against
Speaker 3: the Palestinian people. And when you don't have that, when
Speaker 3: you don't have a balance of that. And my friend,
Speaker 3: the same woman I'm talking about, she said to me,
Speaker 3: but I was out there. I've stood against you know,
Speaker 3: Israel for the occupation in Palestine and all that I've
Speaker 3: stood against that. You are one person, and it is
Speaker 3: great that you've done that. You are seen as an ally,
Speaker 3: I'm sure to the Palistinian community, even to us as
Speaker 3: black people, because this is a woman who's in both
Speaker 3: in all the spaces. But the problem is that there
Speaker 3: is not enough of the uprising of the people, an
Speaker 3: uprising of the people. In fact, even people who are
Speaker 3: in the streets today have decided that.
Speaker 1: They are willing to go walls to the walls.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I'm supposed to say that,
Speaker 3: but on here, but they're willing to go hard lose
Speaker 3: their jobs. People are losing ACLU. The ACLU currently has
Speaker 3: a legal strategy strategy to address people who are losing
Speaker 3: their jobs and people who are you know, being or
Speaker 3: what's the word when you are being reprimanded at schools
Speaker 3: and in other spaces because they choose to stand for Palestine.
Speaker 3: So what has happened in the past is that the
Speaker 3: world should have stood up when the people of Israel
Speaker 3: voted against net and Yahoo and he still somehow found
Speaker 3: himself back in a position of power. The people should
Speaker 3: have rolls up in the same numbers that we are
Speaker 3: seeing around the world today, and the people, the members
Speaker 3: of the Jewish community should have led that fight to
Speaker 3: remove him from office if it had, even if it
Speaker 3: had to be force free. And the reason, but the
Speaker 3: reason why people didn't do it is because to criticize
Speaker 3: the state of Israel means that you will be labeled
Speaker 3: anti Semitic, and being labeled anti Semitic is not something
Speaker 3: that most people are willing to do. They are not
Speaker 3: willing to allow themselves to be labeled in that way
Speaker 3: because they see what that means for you economically, They
Speaker 3: see what it means for you educationally, for your family.
Speaker 3: People can't get insurance for their households, people can't go
Speaker 3: and speak in schools and whatever else just because they
Speaker 3: have been labeled. And if you're talking about the state
Speaker 3: of Israel, they are being labeled that wrongfully. And so
Speaker 3: therefore there wasn't enough movement to address net in Yahoo
Speaker 3: and to get that administration out of power, and as
Speaker 3: a result of that you have something like October seventh happened,
Speaker 3: and maybe other incidents.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean it's justifiable. It means that there is
Speaker 1: a reason why this is happening. And what we need
Speaker 1: to do is the same way people are standing up
Speaker 1: for Palestine.
Speaker 3: Everybody, including the freaking federal government of the United States
Speaker 3: of America, needs to be saying that in Yahoo and
Speaker 3: his regime, they gotta go, they have to go, and
Speaker 3: we need somebody in position there in Israel who sees
Speaker 3: the Palestinian people and understands that they have a right
Speaker 3: to thrive, they have a right to fair freedom, they
Speaker 3: have a right to take their proper position in their communities.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is so this is not a complex conversation.
Speaker 3: I'm with Chinnaie see Coats town He see Coats said,
Speaker 3: I went there thinking it was going to be complicated,
Speaker 3: and when I I and it wasn't complicated at all.
Speaker 3: So that's what I have to say on that. And
Speaker 3: since we're talking about what the United States government should do,
Speaker 3: we should go on to our next topic, which is
Speaker 3: David Acero. Now, by the way, I some issues with
Speaker 3: David assad especially during the BLM protests of twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: Asad said some really really not so cool, dangerous and
Speaker 3: disrespectful things about the protests, about the protesters. He's never
Speaker 3: given me the impression that he cares even the least
Speaker 3: bit about what is happening with people.
Speaker 1: Who are abused and with people who.
Speaker 3: Are brutalized by the state of America, the United States
Speaker 3: of America. Right, He's never given me that impression. But
Speaker 3: he's in the game of politics. So this is not
Speaker 3: even about whether or not he cares about our issues.
Speaker 3: This is our global position and of course as a
Speaker 3: as a nation. And he said that Joe Biden needs
Speaker 3: to find somebody else to run. Let somebody else run
Speaker 3: for president, and he should step aside. And so the
Speaker 3: reason why Axlrod is important is because he has been
Speaker 3: seen as a king maker. Now it's important to note
Speaker 3: though that I've read several times that he didn't think
Speaker 3: Obama should run either, so you know, there's that, but nonetheless,
Speaker 3: so that doesn't mean he's always right, but nonetheless he
Speaker 3: is a kingmaker. I think that Axl Rod, he's not
Speaker 3: all I don't. I mean, I'm sure he's a consultant
Speaker 3: and he's doing a lot of things, but I don't
Speaker 3: see him actively at the forefront of the you know,
Speaker 3: political dynamics in America's not And I'm sure he's in
Speaker 3: the background. I'm just saying I don't see him all
Speaker 3: the time, but I'm sure from the background he's reading
Speaker 3: the tea leaves, right, He's reading the room, and.
Speaker 1: He sees what's happening.
Speaker 3: And I don't think that this all started, my son,
Speaker 3: with this attack against the Palestinian people or the attack
Speaker 3: against the Jewish people. I don't think that's where this started.
Speaker 3: I think people were reading this prior to October twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, and they already knew there was a problem.
Speaker 3: And now this attack and what we're seeing and the
Speaker 3: lack of a call for a ceasefire has just exacerbated
Speaker 3: what we already knew, which was that Joe Biden was
Speaker 3: already on thin ice and now he's on I don't
Speaker 3: even know the ice is like almost melted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's riding on water at this point.
Speaker 4: And I think for me, you know, it's important to note,
Speaker 4: just for me, you know, when the election came for
Speaker 4: Joe Biden, I was never a Joe Biden fan, right,
Speaker 4: I just I just didn't believe that Trump had any
Speaker 4: presidential bowned in his body. I thought the way that
Speaker 4: he was running the White House was like a mobster.
Speaker 4: And I said to myself, this shit is like, this
Speaker 4: is crazy, you know. And I said to myself, even
Speaker 4: though I'm not a Joe Biden fan, I believe there
Speaker 4: are enough people in his cabinet and surrounding him and
Speaker 4: he has influenced Like sometimes when you're not that good
Speaker 4: as something and you hire good people, and I felt
Speaker 4: that Joe Biden had hired people who were way smarter
Speaker 4: than that I knew personally, that were way smarter him,
Speaker 4: that were in positions that were going to do things
Speaker 4: for you know, our communities and for this country that
Speaker 4: was beneficial and and and and to this point, I
Speaker 4: actually I would believe that that has happened in some
Speaker 4: in something. But there are a lot of different places
Speaker 4: within his government that he has situation.
Speaker 3: Judges, judges, the judges one big.
Speaker 2: It's very it's a very big situation.
Speaker 4: And that's why we're able to get some level of
Speaker 4: justice for Breonna Taylor at this point as we you know,
Speaker 4: headed out to this trial in a minute.
Speaker 2: But so there are things they've done and I.
Speaker 3: Don't actually know because she the judge in this case,
Speaker 3: is a Trump appoint.
Speaker 2: Judge.
Speaker 4: The judge in this okay, But I'm talking about in
Speaker 4: the District Department of Justice.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true.
Speaker 3: They're not judges. I'm just trying to make sure they're
Speaker 3: not judges. But it is true that the appointment of
Speaker 3: the Civil Rights Division Assistant Attorney General being Kristen Clark,
Speaker 3: is exactly why many of the cases and other things
Speaker 3: that we see happening are happening in the federal government exactly.
Speaker 4: So, and when we look at those situations, they're very
Speaker 4: they are very important to what we're doing. And we
Speaker 4: look into certain things in the communities. You know, I've
Speaker 4: seen how this administration has embraced you know, violence, interruptors
Speaker 4: and trying to fund, you know, the work in our
Speaker 4: communities to stop that from happening. So there are a
Speaker 4: lot of things that I've seen that are positive, you know,
Speaker 4: But I once again, you know, when you look at
Speaker 4: Joe Biden's age, you look at you look at his
Speaker 4: history that a lot of people will never overlook, you know,
Speaker 4: They'll never look past the crime bill, They'll never look
Speaker 4: past the fact that he's up in age, and it's
Speaker 4: just certain things that that plague him.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So I never was really a big Joe Biden fan,
Speaker 4: but I understood we had to do. But I always
Speaker 4: knew that even when we got Joe Biden in office,
Speaker 4: that the day after he got in office, we as
Speaker 4: a people, as a collective, were supposed to be building
Speaker 4: up and building up the next candidate and building up
Speaker 4: the qualifications and the things we needed that we wanted
Speaker 4: to see from the government in totalent, because I never
Speaker 4: felt that either one of these administrations were even possible,
Speaker 4: you know, even though like once again, I will say
Speaker 4: that Joe Biden has done a lot, and the people
Speaker 4: don't want to give him credit for it. But I
Speaker 4: knew that it was gonna be hard for him to
Speaker 4: win again. But I will say when this situation happened,
Speaker 4: and the way that he's he's pretty much cale tell
Speaker 4: and I would say Colward, you know, then Yahoo then
Speaker 4: in Yahoo is pretty much punking Joe Biden. You know,
Speaker 4: he's taking his money and tell him you shut up.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do what I want to do, and y'all
Speaker 4: mind your business. I'm just give me the money and
Speaker 4: get out the way. And it doesn't show leadership. It
Speaker 4: doesn't show strength when your whole country is saying it
Speaker 4: there against something and you still doing it, and you
Speaker 4: and not only you doing it and agree you you
Speaker 4: even saying well, maybe you're right, and the person is
Speaker 4: telling you fuck you. That's not presidential to me, fat
Speaker 4: that's not and I would and I'm not even gonna
Speaker 4: say that, but but I would say something else.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it's not presidential to me.
Speaker 4: And I think that when people look and see leadership
Speaker 4: is not actually leading, they don't have any level of power,
Speaker 4: they don't have a backbone. Then you know, it's hard
Speaker 4: for people to vote for that. And I know, and
Speaker 4: I've been very vocal and saying that there's a there's
Speaker 4: a snowballs chance in hell of me per se voting
Speaker 4: for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Snowbomb.
Speaker 4: This is not gonna just not gonna happen because you
Speaker 4: don't represent you don't represent the moral five of what
Speaker 4: it is that I represent as a man, you know,
Speaker 4: and and and and and and less something to changes
Speaker 4: drastically over the next year.
Speaker 2: It's just not gonna happen for me.
Speaker 4: And I think there's a lot of people who made
Speaker 4: that decision, you know, And like you said, unless something happens,
Speaker 4: we have we still have a year to go. But
Speaker 4: it happens this right here, watching babies done, and watching
Speaker 4: you funded watching you constantly stand down on it and
Speaker 4: just double down on the fact that we support them
Speaker 4: and they have the right to defensee of it.
Speaker 2: We staying with this.
Speaker 4: We'll continue and we won't say what they can do,
Speaker 4: and we're not gonna tell them what to do, and
Speaker 4: then you try to ask them to do something, they
Speaker 4: telling you, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do what I want to do. That's not
Speaker 2: presidential for me. I can't.
Speaker 4: I can't of sound mind, in a good more compass
Speaker 4: be able to say that I support.
Speaker 2: Somebody like that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I agree with you one thousand percent that there's gonna
Speaker 3: be a lot of people who feel that way. Me personally,
Speaker 3: I haven't made a determination or decision on what I
Speaker 3: will do yet. I know that I'm not mad at
Speaker 3: one person who says that they will not vote for
Speaker 3: Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: I see people writing no cease fire, no vote.
Speaker 3: I can tell you that emotionally, that definitely restates for
Speaker 3: how I feel to hear the President saying that you
Speaker 3: know to.
Speaker 1: See that they are trying.
Speaker 3: To get one hundred plus billion dollars to Israel and Ukraine,
Speaker 3: and then have said, which is the most hipocritalshit hip
Speaker 3: a critical shit ever, because you're getting a billion dollars
Speaker 3: to Israel and Ukraine for opposite reasons. Ukraine, they claim
Speaker 3: they supporting them because Russia is trying to take their land,
Speaker 3: but then they're going to support Israel and taking the
Speaker 3: Palestinian Land.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense. It's like y'all think we stupid.
Speaker 3: Like we can't read and pay attention and understand history
Speaker 3: and facts.
Speaker 1: But whatever.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 3: Ultimately, just say it's our it's the American interest. You're
Speaker 3: doing whatever interests you, but not what is actually morally correct.
Speaker 3: So put that to the side. And so I feel it.
Speaker 3: I feel it, But I'm also much my understanding of
Speaker 3: what will happen to black people under a Trump presidency
Speaker 3: and looking at the candidates that they have lined up
Speaker 3: on the Republican side, and knowing the type of work
Speaker 3: that I would have to do, the type of work
Speaker 3: that we all, not just you and me, but we
Speaker 3: will have to do, the fights that we will be
Speaker 3: up against when Trump becomes president. Oh yeah, you will
Speaker 3: be working when Trump becomes president and they decide to
Speaker 3: lock up more young black men when they decide that
Speaker 3: they are going to arrest protesters and organize this because
Speaker 3: if you remember, it was under William Barr.
Speaker 1: Who was the Attorney general, he was Trump's attorney.
Speaker 3: General that named many of us black identity extremist, which
Speaker 3: meant that he put us in a terrorist category for
Speaker 3: the fact that we would dare to protest against police brutality.
Speaker 3: It was under the Trump presidency that they undid all
Speaker 3: of the consent decrees that the Obama administration put forward
Speaker 3: to try to work on police issues in different cities
Speaker 3: around the country. It was under the Trump presidency that
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court became a conservative court that has now
Speaker 3: been doing things like taking women's rights away, the rights
Speaker 3: to choose in terms of abortion. Looking at what we
Speaker 3: found out, which we didn't even know was there until
Speaker 3: we started to do more research, that they won't.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 3: They're making it harder for somebody to even say that
Speaker 3: their lawyer was ineffective counsel on their cases. They don't
Speaker 3: even want to share those type of cases.
Speaker 1: So, if we go.
Speaker 3: Down the list of the things that happened under the
Speaker 3: Trump presidency, and by the way, attacks by white supremacists
Speaker 3: became more acceptable and actually praised because the presidents stood
Speaker 3: before the nation, Donald Trump and said, you know, rough
Speaker 3: them up to the police. He said, he talked about
Speaker 3: a Kaepernick and like Kaepernick was a dog. He talked
Speaker 3: about other black athletes who dared to stand up to
Speaker 3: this government and said things that were that's unthinkable about them.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: He put basically our lives in danger. And so we
Speaker 3: know what the Trump presidency look like. And if he
Speaker 3: is to become president again, they are going to go
Speaker 3: from the window to the wall. They're going to be
Speaker 3: worse than they were before, because now one it would
Speaker 3: be it basically would be a time when he's gotten
Speaker 3: even hard, even more hard, And if he wins, it
Speaker 3: will be after he has been through so much with
Speaker 3: the courts and everything, with them trying to hold him accountable.
Speaker 1: He his the war and the raft of how he will.
Speaker 3: Enter his presidency is something that we probably have not
Speaker 3: seen maybe ever, but certainly not since the time when
Speaker 3: we were actually enslaved. And so I understand that, and
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sit here no matter what, no matter
Speaker 3: and I and trust me, I'm angry. I'm frustrated. I'm disgusted.
Speaker 3: The idea that I would ever have to go and
Speaker 3: vote for Joe Biden again makes you want to throw up.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I felt that way before he
Speaker 3: became president. So that's that's that. But if I feel
Speaker 3: even worse, But I'm very clear that we don't necessarily
Speaker 3: know what it is that we're asking for. I know
Speaker 3: that I didn't go to campaign for and to get
Speaker 3: Biden elected just because you know, by the way, all
Speaker 3: of that bullshit, oh you work for the Democrats. Democrats
Speaker 3: don't give me shit. They never had if you and
Speaker 3: by the way, our records people is open to the public, right,
Speaker 3: so if Democrats were somehow paying me or people, and
Speaker 3: not to mention most of the people that I work
Speaker 3: closely with that have actual money that they are invested
Speaker 3: in me in that type of way, most of them
Speaker 3: have more conservative views than you think. Many of them
Speaker 3: I've never really asked, but if I started asking, they
Speaker 3: might have actually voted for Trump, to be clear, but
Speaker 3: we don't talk about it because they also support the
Speaker 3: fact that black people should not be killed and indiscriminately
Speaker 3: treated in this nation. So that's kind of where our
Speaker 3: threshold ends because you don't want to get too far
Speaker 3: into the politics. I used to live in the house
Speaker 3: with a man who said to me many times, I
Speaker 3: want to see prisons look like shit holes, where it's disgusting,
Speaker 3: where it's rats in the bed, it's everything terrible. So
Speaker 3: people don't want to go there, right, And I had
Speaker 3: to fight and argue with him many times about people
Speaker 3: who are wrongfully convicted, and you know, have those conversations,
Speaker 3: and in many ways I was able to move him on
Speaker 3: some of those issues.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that a lot of people who have.
Speaker 3: A lot of resources and money, they're not always so
Speaker 3: liberal in their ideas. So let's just be clear. But
Speaker 3: the dem Party does not give me shit. In fact,
Speaker 3: most times I'm not invited. They don't really like me.
Speaker 3: I'm too radical. I've been on Palestine. We you and
Speaker 3: I have been on Palestine before Donald Trump, I mean,
Speaker 3: excuse me, before Joe Biden even became president. And not
Speaker 3: only that, the fact that I was unwilling to denounce
Speaker 3: Minister Farakahn and it even used any type of language
Speaker 3: that was forced upon me or what they were trying
Speaker 3: to force upon me to speak about him. That in
Speaker 3: and of itself created a label for me and put
Speaker 3: me in jeopardy and took away my resources and ruined relationships.
Speaker 1: That I had.
Speaker 3: So I've never been a darling of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 3: Maybe I kind of was back when Obama was president
Speaker 3: because we had a really good relationship with the administration,
Speaker 3: but that has not been the case for many years.
Speaker 3: In fact, many of them, including Valerie Jarrett, spoke out
Speaker 3: against me from national platforms because of what was happening
Speaker 3: with us and the women March and all the dynamics there.
Speaker 3: So with that being said, I I'm not standing in
Speaker 3: this position because I win or gain anything. I'm standing
Speaker 3: in this position because I understand what it looks like
Speaker 3: for my son and my granddaughter if we are in
Speaker 3: a situation where Donald Trump becomes president. And that's so
Speaker 3: I don't know yet.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I do think though I'm with Axlad, somebody who I
Speaker 3: don't agree with on issues of our lives, but I'm
Speaker 3: with Acerod that they need a different candidate to run
Speaker 3: for president.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's realistic, but I believe that.
Speaker 4: I just I just I need everything you're saying. I
Speaker 4: just I think for me, you know, I've been I've
Speaker 4: survived so many different presidents and the ship never really
Speaker 4: changed for me. When even when I don't care what's
Speaker 4: going on, when I really start thinking about it, the
Speaker 4: conditions of our communities don't really change.
Speaker 2: They haven't really changed much.
Speaker 4: If I go to Pooky right now and say Joe
Speaker 4: Biden's been in the off and they look at me
Speaker 4: and be like I don't know what the fuck joke about.
Speaker 4: They actually think it's been better when Trump was there,
Speaker 4: So when we having real conversations. For me at this point,
Speaker 4: it's a moral thing for me. It's a moral issue
Speaker 4: for me if I can't look at you as a man,
Speaker 4: if I don't believe that you even represent the country
Speaker 4: as a man, that I would as a man even
Speaker 4: even you don't even have the backbone to say some
Speaker 4: shit is wrong as a man, and you let another
Speaker 4: person run his country the way he wants to ten
Speaker 4: toes down and say fuck what you think. I'm my
Speaker 4: people and meet us over here is doing this and
Speaker 4: we don't give a fuck what you to do. Just
Speaker 4: give us your money. I can't see I can't see
Speaker 4: me ever voting for that. I just can't see me
Speaker 4: ever making a decision again to saying, you know what,
Speaker 4: it is a less than to you know, this shit
Speaker 4: is just all fucked up. And until I start seeing
Speaker 4: candidates that that I can put my because you know,
Speaker 4: I went through I went through a bunch of shit
Speaker 4: with telling people not to vote for Trump, and I
Speaker 4: don't really give a fuck and I went through it.
Speaker 4: But when when shit like this morally comes down, and
Speaker 4: I got to look at my kids.
Speaker 2: And see, damn kids are dying.
Speaker 4: And the man to sit there and perpetuate and continue
Speaker 4: to support that and stand up every day and say
Speaker 4: he's gonna stand next to that.
Speaker 2: It's like, Nah, that shit ain't for me. So we all,
Speaker 2: we all have our own battles.
Speaker 4: We all have our own you know, our own lines
Speaker 4: that we draw in the sand.
Speaker 2: And what we all stand for is different. And you know,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: I just don't see where at this point, you know
Speaker 4: where me and a Joe Biden administration have an understanding
Speaker 4: because I understand that if you can be pushed to
Speaker 4: do this right, what we do it and what we're
Speaker 4: doing as a country at this point right is when
Speaker 4: you have all of the country say, yo, this ship
Speaker 4: is a humanitarian crisis, this ship is against humanitarian this
Speaker 4: is these are these are war crimes, and the whole
Speaker 4: world is saying that, and you standing with one person
Speaker 4: that I know that I know is an evil individual.
Speaker 4: The man is evil like everything about him. You stand
Speaker 4: next to that. I know that the world is looking
Speaker 4: at us. I know that the world I know that
Speaker 4: we might be the next target. I know that people
Speaker 4: look at leadership being when you have a leadership understanding
Speaker 4: what leadership is from whatever left wood is, you understand
Speaker 4: that once people start start diminishing your leadership and they
Speaker 4: don't see you strong, and they get rid of you, right,
Speaker 4: And that's what we've dominated as Americans. We have dominated
Speaker 4: this world and countries have feared us for so long.
Speaker 4: But when you start seeing leak we leadership, and you
Speaker 4: start and you start seeing other countries in line and
Speaker 4: they're like them first of all the leadership, but now
Speaker 4: these people are not even morally sound. And then you
Speaker 4: start hearing the country inside say that they're not even
Speaker 4: with you. Then the foundation of what it is that
Speaker 4: we're supposed to represent is gone. So if we put
Speaker 4: that type of individual back into office, the fuck World
Speaker 4: War three, and we're gonna be the main target, right
Speaker 4: because every no other nation is with us.
Speaker 2: That's the problem.
Speaker 4: Is we we with the nigga who was the worst
Speaker 4: person in the world, and every other nation of good
Speaker 4: moral stands that are saying we can't stand by that.
Speaker 4: And sometimes when you get so closed in something that
Speaker 4: you don't see from outside. But I understand, like they
Speaker 4: said before, the battle work the same way that those
Speaker 4: people countries and they battle feels.
Speaker 2: Look, that's how America's gonna look it.
Speaker 4: Ain't They not going to no motherfucking desert land and shooting. No,
Speaker 4: they bombing the main towns. Our kids are gonna be
Speaker 4: dying the same way other people kids die. It's no
Speaker 4: longer that shit we talking about. So for me, it's
Speaker 4: way bigger than a couple of laws that somebody might
Speaker 4: make that we gotta pay a couple dollars. No, it's
Speaker 4: understanding that America is being looked at as tyrants, and
Speaker 4: we got a president is standing next to somebody that
Speaker 4: is doing that's not doing God's work at all, that
Speaker 4: is completely complicit in doing evil.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to be I don't want to
Speaker 2: be a part of that.
Speaker 3: What I have said to a number of my friends
Speaker 3: who have contacted me, I said it on Roland Martin
Speaker 3: showed the other day. It's not me or those of
Speaker 3: us who are angry, right, and those of us who
Speaker 3: are frustrated, and those of us who are in many
Speaker 3: ways saying I cannot. I will not support this president
Speaker 3: and vice president as they stand by and support a
Speaker 3: atrocity and a human rights violation and war crimes. Don't
Speaker 3: talk to us, Talk to them. Go talk to President
Speaker 3: Biden and Vice President Kamala Harrison. Let them know that
Speaker 3: you are losing people that you need and organize this,
Speaker 3: because one thing I will tell you is that average
Speaker 3: just not average. They're not average, they're much above average.
Speaker 3: Everyday citizens, everyday people who got fifty million things going
Speaker 3: on in their life. Less of them are engaged to
Speaker 3: the point where in a year they're still going to
Speaker 3: be remind of this and make a decision based upon it.
Speaker 3: If we have to vote, if this election day, that
Speaker 3: is tomorrow, November seventh, that we're sitting in front of
Speaker 3: here in Kentucky, if it was if tomorrow you were
Speaker 3: voting for the president of the United States, I don't
Speaker 3: think Joe Biden will win because many people are paying attention.
Speaker 3: But one year away, the everyday citizen, especially after they've
Speaker 3: heard Trump speak, or whomever becomes the Republican candidate, especially
Speaker 3: after in churches and others, are saying, hey, we gotta
Speaker 3: go with the Democrat and all of that. I don't
Speaker 3: know that they will vote against Joe Biden, or that
Speaker 3: they will and many of them may stay home. But
Speaker 3: I don't know that they'll vote against Joe Biden. The
Speaker 3: group of us who are righteously indignant, those who are angry,
Speaker 3: those who are frustrated. That pool is much smaller than
Speaker 3: we think, much smaller, right, even though it's millions, but
Speaker 3: it's still not everybody, right, And the organizers within that
Speaker 3: group who actually get out the vote is smaller.
Speaker 1: But that's their problem. Their problem is that there.
Speaker 3: Are a number of people who organize the vote with
Speaker 3: or without the support of the Democratic Party. They don't
Speaker 3: have to be aligned in any way, but they do
Speaker 3: it because of the interests of their community. And those
Speaker 3: are the people who are very aware and who are
Speaker 3: very angry, and who are very much saying I refuse
Speaker 3: to vote for Joe Biden, and I also will not
Speaker 3: go out and campaign for the Democratic ticket at the top.
Speaker 3: But there are of course a bunch of elections statewide
Speaker 3: elections that will also be on the ballot in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four that we will have to focus on. So
Speaker 3: with that being said, you know, I think that you know,
Speaker 3: in a place like Kentucky or not so much in
Speaker 3: a place like Kentucky, just in general overall, you will
Speaker 3: have some issues. But I'm not sure that it will
Speaker 3: be to the degree that he won't win. I don't know,
Speaker 3: I do not know. I know you cannot win Detroit
Speaker 3: or Michigan. Excuse me, you cannot win Michigan. And I
Speaker 3: believe Minnesota is similar without the Muslim vote. And one
Speaker 3: thing about it is they're not going to forget. They
Speaker 3: are not They're not like black people. They are not
Speaker 3: going to forget at all about what happened here.
Speaker 4: So what the problem the problem is with you not
Speaker 4: what you're not understanding, is this the Muslim voat is
Speaker 4: just not a Rabs, right. Muslim has a big population.
Speaker 4: Like if you look at Philadelphia, most of the black
Speaker 4: people in Philadelphia, it's Muslim. So that's what I need
Speaker 4: you to understand. So when you say the Muslim vote,
Speaker 4: they are there are certain state state within the United States,
Speaker 4: and it's not just Averab Muslim. They have big Muslim populations.
Speaker 4: Like a lot of my Muslim, my black Muslim friends
Speaker 4: are hitting me every day, like they hit me every
Speaker 4: day and they so against this this administration that it's
Speaker 4: a lot right.
Speaker 1: Let me just say. Let me just say, because we
Speaker 1: need to be very clear.
Speaker 3: So when we're educating our audience, we all learn at
Speaker 3: the same time. Number One, there's only a few battleground states.
Speaker 3: In New Jersey and New York ain't two of them.
Speaker 3: So it really doesn't matter who we vote for because
Speaker 3: our vote doesn't one hundred percent count towards the who
Speaker 3: wins the presidency. It might be the popular vote, but
Speaker 3: the battleground states are certain places like again Michigan, which
Speaker 3: you have to be able to win, and the majority
Speaker 3: of the Muslim population are our in those particular places.
Speaker 3: Right when you start talking about black people who are Muslims,
Speaker 3: some of them don't vote at all anyway, right, especially
Speaker 3: in the Nation of Islam and other places like that.
Speaker 3: Voting for presidents and all of that is something that
Speaker 3: not to say they're against it, because many of them do,
Speaker 3: but there are many who don't. They have stayed and
Speaker 3: they deal with local elections and local politics in their community.
Speaker 3: So we already that is already sort of accounted for.
Speaker 3: But specifically in Michigan, a place like Michigan, the Arab
Speaker 3: Muslim community is necessary in order to move the vote
Speaker 3: in those places. If you think about somewhere like Georgia
Speaker 3: where Stacy Abrams lost, when you look at the numbers
Speaker 3: the Arab Muslim community was low on the list, and
Speaker 3: they were also low on the campaign's priority, and so
Speaker 3: it would show you where if they would have picked
Speaker 3: up a bit in that community, they would have been
Speaker 3: able to possibly win the election. So I'm saying that
Speaker 3: certain places that community cannot be discounted. And then in
Speaker 3: other battleground states like South Carolina, you're going to have
Speaker 3: a lot of black people who are.
Speaker 1: Not Muslim whatever whatever.
Speaker 3: They just Christian black folks or unidentified religiously black folks
Speaker 3: who go to venues and deal with spaces where they
Speaker 3: will be listening to or learning more about the Republican
Speaker 3: parties policies, and they're not going to want a Donald
Speaker 3: Trump presidency. That is not a thing that is gonna change.
Speaker 3: A lot of those people are not going to want
Speaker 3: a Donald Trump presidency. So with that being said, it
Speaker 3: remains to be seen. I'm not arguing because I understand
Speaker 3: exactly where you are. I saw what Philip agnew Row,
Speaker 3: I see Tiffany Lofton, I see Sean King, and I
Speaker 3: respect one hundred percent that sentiment that is out there.
Speaker 3: I respect it all. I'm suggesting, though, I'm just suggesting
Speaker 3: that it's gonna be much more than just some people
Speaker 3: are upset about this thing, and it's going to be
Speaker 3: a whole picture, and there are gonna be people who
Speaker 3: look at police brutality and say we ain't really move
Speaker 3: the damn bit at all, and then those people will
Speaker 3: fall off, probably right. But when you have a Donald
Speaker 3: Trump saying the police are doing a great job, and
Speaker 3: he's like Daniel Cameron saying I'm gonna give them more power,
Speaker 3: more money, more whatever, then you got some people saying, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know, so we'll see how it all works
Speaker 3: out in the end.
Speaker 1: But I had not me.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I reserve the right to make my decision,
Speaker 3: but I also am going to I'm very invested, and
Speaker 3: I hate people saying it's no way that there could
Speaker 3: be another candidate.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that.
Speaker 3: And I wanted the smart people who are smarter than
Speaker 3: me and who are more politically engaged and more politically
Speaker 3: astute to help us figure out is it possible to
Speaker 3: get somebody else to run? Because I'm sick and tired
Speaker 3: of this administration, completely sick of it.
Speaker 1: Throw it away.
Speaker 3: I don't want it. But I also haven't made a
Speaker 3: final decision about where I stand. Now, let me just
Speaker 3: go to my thought of the day real quick, because
Speaker 3: we got to hurry up and get to court. You know,
Speaker 3: the FBI calls me again yesterday, more death threats, especially
Speaker 3: with this trial going on and then the election happening,
Speaker 3: so there's so much going on, and of course they're
Speaker 3: targeting a black woman, which is me, and they want
Speaker 3: me to because I have the audacity to stand up
Speaker 3: on my two feet, straight my back.
Speaker 1: And keep on showing up in Kentucky.
Speaker 3: And I was just thinking to myself, you know, even
Speaker 3: with all of that, the negative attention that comes our
Speaker 3: way from people who we work with that don't like us,
Speaker 3: to people we don't like this who don't work with
Speaker 3: that don't like us too, to mek us to this
Speaker 3: a megas, to that Mega looks like this, Mega looks
Speaker 3: like this. Mek ain't this Mega's not smart enough, She's
Speaker 3: not that. She ain't got that Da da da da
Speaker 3: why she got this?
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Then all the way to the fact that people actually
Speaker 3: threaten my life on a regular basis. With these things,
Speaker 3: still I rise and I'm just trying to figure out
Speaker 3: for other people that don't have to go through hardly
Speaker 3: any of that. You're not in the public eye. You
Speaker 3: you know you don't. You don't have depth threats coming
Speaker 3: at you. You're not facing any particular scrutiny. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: that you just don't want it, like you don't want
Speaker 3: to put yourself in that position, like what makes us
Speaker 3: what makes people so at verse to actually taking a stamp?
Speaker 3: But I'm not even talking about Israel powerside. That's too
Speaker 3: high of.
Speaker 1: A of a of a of.
Speaker 3: You gotta go too high to deal with that because
Speaker 3: you can really get yourself in.
Speaker 1: The crossfire with that.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying in your local community, I'm just talking
Speaker 3: about on your block being like, you know what, these
Speaker 3: kids is out here killing each other, or we don't
Speaker 3: have a good grocery store that will feed these people
Speaker 3: fresh produce and whatnot.
Speaker 1: I lived here. I'm gonna do something.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show up at a community meeting, or I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go to a precinct council meeting, or I'm gonna
Speaker 3: maybe run for office. So I'm going to do a
Speaker 3: food pantry. What the hell? Like, you don't even have
Speaker 3: the level of scrutiny that I deal with every day
Speaker 3: and yet you want to do nothing. But then but
Speaker 3: you will sit around on internet and on the internet
Speaker 3: and critique what somebody else is doing. I just find
Speaker 3: that to be so cowardly, you know, I just I do.
Speaker 3: And I know people will say, well, everybody's not like you,
Speaker 3: and that's fine. I'm not asking to be like me.
Speaker 3: But what is like you? That's a question is what
Speaker 3: is like you? Forget about being like me?
Speaker 1: What is like you?
Speaker 3: If you don't see the need to say something in
Speaker 3: your own community about issues that impact you, But you
Speaker 3: got the nerve to come to my page or to
Speaker 3: tell me somewhere that I really don't like the way
Speaker 3: you move, well you move.
Speaker 4: It's very it's very crazy. And you know it's crazy
Speaker 4: because that kind of goes into what my I don't
Speaker 4: get it was, and it's pretty much we pretty much
Speaker 4: acted the.
Speaker 2: Same shit and saying the same thing back and forth.
Speaker 4: Because when we look at so many it's so many
Speaker 4: issues that go on. I don't get a fucked what
Speaker 4: I put up. People say, we got bigger fish to fry,
Speaker 4: it's bigger things to find. You should why black people
Speaker 4: don't need to be focusing on that Black people don't
Speaker 4: need to focus on that. Black people need to focus
Speaker 4: on everything. And I don't understand why people don't realize that.
Speaker 4: I don't understand how somebody could look and say, okay,
Speaker 4: the shit that's going on and god a like this
Speaker 4: ship is this like we were looking at another These
Speaker 4: are brown people, these are people that you know, these
Speaker 4: are oppressed people. Like why I can understand that ship? Like,
Speaker 4: what's to stop somebody from here?
Speaker 2: If we if we just quiet about that, what's to
Speaker 2: stop from you know?
Speaker 4: One day Israel? And who say fuck? You know, we
Speaker 4: were tired of Joe Biden, were tired of America. We
Speaker 4: ain't we not allied with them no more.
Speaker 2: We're gonna join. We're gonna be allied with somebody else.
Speaker 4: And you know what the first people we're gonna go
Speaker 4: over there to make sure because we know that the
Speaker 4: black people is gonna we get rid of them. We're
Speaker 4: gonna get rid of the black people because those the
Speaker 4: people that we are gonna fight, they've been oppressed. We
Speaker 4: gotta make sure that they don't do ship right because
Speaker 4: that those to talk and what's to stop that from happening?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: So I don't understand why people don't see that ship
Speaker 4: is a real possibility of what's going on.
Speaker 1: In here, right scare people.
Speaker 4: I'm just it's not about the thing for me is
Speaker 4: that why do we put passion in our community like
Speaker 4: it ain't happen. We've been enslaved before, they've done they've
Speaker 4: oppressed us before, right, so why do you think that
Speaker 4: it's above happening again. Why you think of other European
Speaker 4: nations if they decide to do some shit, don't realize
Speaker 4: that the biggest threat to their regime would be black people.
Speaker 4: Because we the people that saying you fuck with your
Speaker 4: white people been doing this shit to us for years
Speaker 4: and we ain't gonna stand for it. Why wouldn't you
Speaker 4: understand that you would neutralize the biggest threat to anything
Speaker 4: they do that inside this country?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 4: They give us a bunch of bullshit. They put all
Speaker 4: the drugs, the guns and everything in our community to
Speaker 4: keep us neutralized. They keep us in prison, They make
Speaker 4: sure that we don't have opportunities all of the shit.
Speaker 2: We still impressed.
Speaker 4: We living in the fucking damn man open air prison
Speaker 4: inside the projects because they surround us with fucking nothing
Speaker 4: but police act all within. They would let us kill
Speaker 4: each other within the projects and then they send you
Speaker 4: to jail where they put you in the work. So
Speaker 4: when we keep saying that that's not our issue and
Speaker 4: this saying our issue, I don't understand why we don't
Speaker 4: realize that every fucking issue that's to do anybody that's oppressed,
Speaker 4: it's a black person's issue. I don't understand where we
Speaker 4: get that from the ship that's going on to Sudan,
Speaker 4: the ship that's going on the Congo. All of that
Speaker 4: ship is coincide with the ship that's going on Palestine.
Speaker 4: So we shouldn't say you you, we need to speak
Speaker 4: about that and not that. No, we need to speak
Speaker 4: about all. That ship is one because now you got allies, right,
Speaker 4: you don't you don't. You don't separate your issues that
Speaker 4: are the same ship from this. For other people who
Speaker 4: are dealing with the issues that you're dealing with, you
Speaker 4: you combine those ship, you bring them ships.
Speaker 2: That's one.
Speaker 4: You say, Look, we ain't dealing with all of us
Speaker 4: pressed people will saying fuck that, we ain't with it,
Speaker 4: and we're not gonna let y'all keep impressing us. Not
Speaker 4: you want to separate? Now, let them people do that.
Speaker 4: Joe such and such in a store. You know, he
Speaker 4: fasted in and I don't like the way he talked
Speaker 4: to me. So fuck all of them, you know, and
Speaker 4: this person they store about me. You know, I ain't
Speaker 4: fighting for they don't care about us. They again, we
Speaker 4: we all this just the same way that we experienced racism.
Speaker 3: Next, SPI racism that black people, because when we were
Speaker 3: thrown off of that plane in American Airlines flight, it
Speaker 3: was a black woman that started that. It was a
Speaker 3: black woman and her nasty ass attitude that started that situation.
Speaker 1: So let's just be.
Speaker 3: Clear that I've been in stores and other places where
Speaker 3: black people don't treat me right. I've been in clubs
Speaker 3: where black men who are supposed to be doing security
Speaker 3: are more physical and nasty and threatening towards black women
Speaker 3: than a lot of environments. So don't tell me that
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: Other communities absolutely treat Black people like we're at the bottom, right,
Speaker 3: and they don't have no respect for us. But a
Speaker 3: lot of that has to do with white supremacy, because
Speaker 3: what white supremacy teaches is that black is the is
Speaker 3: the least, and so everybody piles on us, and I
Speaker 3: know that I agree.
Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing, but I know one.
Speaker 3: Thing I don't even I'm I'm like, I'm like the
Speaker 3: and were closing the show on this, and you can,
Speaker 3: of course if you have something else to say, Boy,
Speaker 3: this is it.
Speaker 1: I'm like the people that don't see color. Right.
Speaker 3: You know how people be like I don't see color,
Speaker 3: and then we know that that's in and of itself
Speaker 3: a racist statement when white people say I don't see color,
Speaker 3: because if you don't see color, then you don't see me.
Speaker 3: But I bet you see color when you see that
Speaker 3: white privilege that you get. But nonetheless, I don't see color.
Speaker 3: I don't see race. Well, guess what. That's how I
Speaker 3: feel about kids. I don't see color when I see kiddis.
Speaker 3: If I see kids being blown to bits anywhere in
Speaker 3: this world, I don't see color. I see kids. So
Speaker 3: I don't think it's right if it happens to Jewish kids.
Speaker 3: I don't think it is right if it happens to
Speaker 3: black kids, Latino kids. And I don't think it's right
Speaker 3: when it happens to Palestinian children.
Speaker 1: And guess what.
Speaker 3: At this point, I feel that five thousand Palestinian children
Speaker 3: as of the point that we are taking. This podcast
Speaker 3: is out of touch overboard. It's a war crime. It
Speaker 3: is wrong. And know we will not just sit by
Speaker 3: and stay and stay quiet. No, because by the way,
Speaker 3: five thousand needs to be added to the numbers of
Speaker 3: the many years, seventy five years that this has been
Speaker 3: going on where the Palestinian people have not been free
Speaker 3: on their own land. And so when you put the and,
Speaker 3: that's and and I and I'll say and because it
Speaker 3: is not just happening. It has not just happened to
Speaker 3: Palestinian children, but there's also the Israeli children or the
Speaker 3: Jewish children that need to be included in that number.
Speaker 3: That's why we call them fu a cease fire, because
Speaker 3: we want every single person, everybody to live.
Speaker 2: And with that said, I definitely agree with that. Man.
Speaker 4: You know, what I will say is shout out to
Speaker 4: a lot of people. There are a lot of people
Speaker 4: who've been standing up.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Maclamore. I've seen him speaking out. You know,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of artists in John legend, you know
Speaker 4: if you know names, just saying because it brother a
Speaker 4: man the selves like, shout out to everybody. You know,
Speaker 4: Sean King Sean King is who's been steadfast and just
Speaker 4: giving you the information, and a lot of those a
Speaker 4: lot of those videos and pictures are brutal, and a
Speaker 4: lot of people are like, why would you post that?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, why wouldn't we Because what happens is
Speaker 4: you get complicit with not understanding something, and when you
Speaker 4: don't see certain things and you don't realize the seriousness
Speaker 4: of what's going on, then you're able to just go
Speaker 4: back because they say ignorance is bliss and the fact
Speaker 4: that he does not allow you to be ignorant, right
Speaker 4: if you follow him, you are going to be aware
Speaker 4: of exactly what's going on every day in that situation.
Speaker 4: And if it doesn't do something to your heart to say, nah,
Speaker 4: kids are not supposed to be dying like this, you know,
Speaker 4: then I don't know what to tell you. So I
Speaker 4: just want to I want to salute everyone because I
Speaker 4: know it's it's very hard. You know a lot of
Speaker 4: people are putting a lot on the line to be
Speaker 4: able to speak up against, you know, the genocide that's
Speaker 4: going on inside of Palestine, and a lot of people
Speaker 4: don't like to hear that word, but to me, that's
Speaker 4: exactly what it is, and I'm not going to say
Speaker 4: it isn't because when you when one one group of
Speaker 4: people is being targeted and taken out in the levels
Speaker 4: that these people are being taken out of as genocide.
Speaker 4: So I admire and I respect everyone you know who's
Speaker 4: able to speak up in this moment because it's not
Speaker 4: it is not the status quo to do, you know.
Speaker 4: So I want to say, I appreciate y'all, man, and
Speaker 4: we're going to continue to fight man, cease fire, man,
Speaker 4: free Palestine.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: You know, I say all the time, if they come
Speaker 4: for them in the day, and they'll come for us
Speaker 4: at night. So I'm not gonna always be right to
Speaker 4: mek It D Mallories, I can always be wrong, but
Speaker 4: we will.
Speaker 2: Both always and I mean always, be authentic peace.
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