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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wednesdays. That theition a big Blue kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot com. He is Jeff Feagles. I'm

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Speaker 1: Lance Meado. Good to be with you for the next

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes. Two zero five one three hashtag Giants chat

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, Day two of mandatory minicamp in the book,

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Speaker 1: so we will recap what happened during the course of

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Speaker 1: practice as well as the media sessions that followed. We'll

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Speaker 1: get to your phone calls, we'll get to your tweets

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Speaker 1: as well. Jeff, let's start with the media sessions, and

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Speaker 1: it was interesting. Eric Flowers came out and addressed the

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Speaker 1: media for the first time since he moved from left

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Speaker 1: tackle to right tackle, and you know, Flowers was very

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Speaker 1: opened with the media about his emotions, his feelings. You know,

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Speaker 1: normally in the past we haven't really heard much in

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Speaker 1: great detail from Eric Flowers. He's a very soft spoken player.

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Speaker 1: And he talked about what it's been like adjustment, adjusting

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Speaker 1: from the left side to the right side, and how

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Speaker 1: he and Patrick o'mama are essentially going through the same

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Speaker 1: thing because o'mam ay, who also has had experience both

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Speaker 1: on the left and the right side, but last few

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Speaker 1: years he's mainly been a left guard, so that two

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Speaker 1: of them in unison seemed to be spending more time

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Speaker 1: with one another, is what he said, both before and

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Speaker 1: after practice, so that they can go over footwork and

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Speaker 1: all of the other differences that now go into playing

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Speaker 1: on the opposite side. Well, I just think right there,

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Speaker 1: my mom may being the veteran, and I know that

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Speaker 1: like just that relationship and just how one works and

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Speaker 1: one can learn from another, I think that's a step

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Speaker 1: in the right direction. And I think that every that's

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Speaker 1: a positive. And I think just the fact that Eric

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Speaker 1: maybe finally understands that he needs to do things a

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Speaker 1: little bit different. I think the first step was him

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Speaker 1: getting here. I think that was probably a big one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't before that didn't sound to me

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Speaker 1: like he really wanted to be here until until he

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Speaker 1: showed up, and now things would be a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that right side, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: to learn a lot of different things to learn, a

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Speaker 1: lot of different stance obviously, and and um, you know,

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Speaker 1: just being a better player than he needs to be.

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Speaker 1: But I tell you a lot of veteran leadership at

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Speaker 1: that line. When you talk about Nate soul or two, um,

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Speaker 1: those guys can help. Those two Will Hernandez and Eric

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Speaker 1: Flowers for sure. And Flowers had mentioned that he's been

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Speaker 1: working with Soldier who has taken his spot on the

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Speaker 1: left side. And to your point, Jeff, you know, Flowers

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Speaker 1: did say he was hurt when he found out the news.

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Speaker 1: He didn't necessarily hold back, but he said that he

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Speaker 1: looks at this as another opportunity to prove himself and

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to give the Giants a reason why he

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Speaker 1: should be one of the starting five offensive line. Well, good,

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Speaker 1: I I have no problems with when things like this happened.

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Speaker 1: And I've seen it happen, and I've seen the good

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Speaker 1: and the bad. I've seen the good where somebody actually

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Speaker 1: takes on the challenge, if you will, and and and

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Speaker 1: and and understands. Okay, I basically got bench. They went

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Speaker 1: and signed the highest paid offensive lineman in the league

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Speaker 1: is now on our team, and he's the he's the

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Speaker 1: position that I played. Yeah, that should make me mad,

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Speaker 1: and now they're gonna move me over here. But I

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Speaker 1: will tell you this, what would make me happy would

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Speaker 1: be the fact that at least they didn't put me

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Speaker 1: a starter. Okay, so but I'm gonna challenge myself to

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Speaker 1: be the best I can and win and still earn

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Speaker 1: and and play for another contract. His contract is up

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Speaker 1: after this season, and if you want to keep going

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Speaker 1: on then and maybe whether it's here or somewhere else,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to play. Even though it's the right

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Speaker 1: you're playing to continue your career here's a matter or elsewhere,

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Speaker 1: it makes no difference. Jeff motivation is there. And he

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Speaker 1: also seems to Jeff be adopting and opening up to

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Speaker 1: the philosophy of Pat Shermer that everybody has a clean slate,

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Speaker 1: because Eli Apple seems to be embracing that the same

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Speaker 1: exact way that I Also I also read that even

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning had mentioned that little clean slate thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: like coming off of a bad year and all kinds Listen,

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Speaker 1: I don't care if you're Pat Shermer and he tells

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Speaker 1: you it's a clean slate. Every new head coach that

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Speaker 1: comes in is going to give these players an opportunity

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Speaker 1: what it's worth, clean slate, whatever the bottom line is,

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Speaker 1: it's what you have to do individually to understand that

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Speaker 1: still either get better or you get worse. You never

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Speaker 1: stay the same, Okay, Um, and Coach Coffin always used

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Speaker 1: you know what, am I gonna get better at right tackle?

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Speaker 1: Eric Flowers? Yes, I'm gonna try and I'm gonna do

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Speaker 1: everything I can. Um, But I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: having a clean slate, it's all about attitude. This game

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Speaker 1: is about attitude. It's a it's attitude of how you

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Speaker 1: all about attitude. If you have the right one, you'll

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Speaker 1: be successful. It seems to me that Eric Flowers in

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Speaker 1: the past has and had that great of an attitude.

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Speaker 1: If you ask me, Um about giving hoots about this

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Speaker 1: body language. We've seen it. It's just like if the

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Speaker 1: normal person looking at that is like, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: What's the problem with this guy? You know? So maybe

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Speaker 1: he's gonna improve on a little bit of demeanor too. Well. Listen,

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Speaker 1: it's only a small interaction with reporters, but I think

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Speaker 1: at this point he's saying all the right things. Jeff

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Speaker 1: good good, And you know what, I really believe that. Um,

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Speaker 1: when you look back at last season, I mean, John

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Speaker 1: they weren't veterans like a Nate Solder. Okay, they weren't

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Speaker 1: guys like you know that you could really understand that

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Speaker 1: Nate Solder was the left tackle for number twelve? Do

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Speaker 1: you understand that? I mean that is, if you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna if you're gonna have, you can't have much of

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Speaker 1: know he wasn't this perennial pro bowler guy, and this

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl kind of stuff is stupid. But the

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Speaker 1: fact is that Nate Solder has been in an organization

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Speaker 1: looked at this roster and says, where's the leadership, where's

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Speaker 1: the veteran leadership. I think we get some guys. They

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Speaker 1: to also provide stability in out of the locker room,

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Speaker 1: Maybe he needed an opportunity. Now he's in a new

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Speaker 1: These are all good things for him. That's why, if

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Speaker 1: He's young too, He's twenty four years old. I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on, well, Dave Gettleman's famous line you don't give

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Speaker 1: think that's why it's it's a I think it's it's

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Speaker 1: something that it's going to change. I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of teams are gonna start going to this. They have

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Speaker 1: in the past. Last year they did, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's just a better evaluation process. It's almost like you

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Speaker 1: know in college when they go in practice in the

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Speaker 1: East West game or the Senior Bowl thing. Look at

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Speaker 1: all the reps that these guys get during the week

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Speaker 1: or leading up to the game, and so from an evaluation,

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Speaker 1: because that's what that's what the Senior Bowl is all about. Well,

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Speaker 1: isn't that what the trainer camp practices are all about?

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Speaker 1: Evaluating and building your roster. You don't get to see

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Speaker 1: a lot of it in a in a football game

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Speaker 1: on on a Saturday night at seven thirty, when the

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Speaker 1: starters are playing one series that's it. I mean, these

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Speaker 1: guys get a lot more than one series in three

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Speaker 1: days of practice against the Lions or the Bengals from

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Speaker 1: an offensive line position or defensive line position than they

447
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Speaker 1: do in one game because you're not necessarily up against

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Speaker 1: the clock, so they're not you're up against the period.

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Speaker 1: You're up against a ten fifteen minute period. Okay, well

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Speaker 1: it ten or fifteen minute period is a long time.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention you're doing it three days in a row.

452
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Speaker 1: That's almost a half of football. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: really a good thing to do. And you know, and

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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of teams are more receptive

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Speaker 1: to doing it, and I think you're gonna see a

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Speaker 1: lot of them do it more. I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I think they're extremely value. I'm surprised that we're actually

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Speaker 1: not at the point where teams don't get together and

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Speaker 1: one of their preseason games becomes a joint practice every

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Speaker 1: single summer. Well, I mean, I I think that, um,

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Speaker 1: you almost could do, you know, something like they do

462
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Speaker 1: in lacrosse and all these lacrosse tournaments that you do,

463
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Speaker 1: or you bring in three or four teams, right, and

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Speaker 1: then they rotate. You know, so the first week, the

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Speaker 1: first game, first week, excuse me, the first day, you're

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Speaker 1: you're you're scrimmaging the Falcon. Let's just say that there's

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Speaker 1: three there, so it's Detroit the Falcons, and and call

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Speaker 1: it New York the Giants. You know. The first day, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: these guys, the defense, number one defense is going against

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Speaker 1: the number one offense against the Lions. And you just

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Speaker 1: kind of mingle through in and out. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: that you don't hit each other and meeting for three

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Speaker 1: day because you get tired of that. Yeah, you now

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Speaker 1: you're going up against But I think it's an evaluation process.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge evaluation tour for these teams to be

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Speaker 1: able to to evaluate their player against other teams. Players too.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's open up the phone lines. Choose one

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Speaker 1: one three hashtag giants Chat will also get to your tweets.

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Speaker 1: Davis in Cranford, Dave, what's happening. How are you guy?

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Speaker 1: It's great to talk to you. Thanks for making the call, Dave,

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Speaker 1: What do you have for us? So to two things

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Speaker 1: I wanted to comment on. One is just you know,

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Speaker 1: and I know that you can only pick up so much,

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Speaker 1: but it just seems like from the interviews and the position,

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Speaker 1: it just seems like the attitude in camp. You can

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Speaker 1: just see a certain energy, um, a certain willing to

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Speaker 1: turn the page. It just seems, you know, like there's

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Speaker 1: a new, you know, feeling around the team in terms

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Speaker 1: of just a lot of the players. And again it's

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Speaker 1: an intangible I get it, but but I think you

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Speaker 1: guys seem to be, you know, hitting on it as well,

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Speaker 1: and I just like to get your comments on that. Well.

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Speaker 1: I would agree with you, Dave. I think there is

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Speaker 1: that feeling of optimism. I think a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: who had up and down seasons in two thousand seventeen,

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Speaker 1: you know, have a real positive outlook. I think I

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Speaker 1: get that from just listening to them. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be extremely cautious because personally, I'm one who

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Speaker 1: doesn't put a lot of stock in press conferences and

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Speaker 1: I don't put a lot of stock in meetings with

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Speaker 1: the media. The reason being is there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: players out there. And I'm not saying that there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of players on this roster, but Jeff, you can

504
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Speaker 1: speak volumes to this who are very good in handling

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Speaker 1: the media, and they know when to say certain things.

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Speaker 1: They know how to sell themselves. So that's why you

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Speaker 1: can only read so much into the interaction between players

508
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Speaker 1: and reporters. It's all about, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: what happens between the lines when they get out on

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Speaker 1: the field. But I would agree with you, Dave. From

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Speaker 1: an optic standpoint, everything looks great. What does that mean

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Speaker 1: in the big picture of things. I I really at

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Speaker 1: this point would say I don't think it means much

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Speaker 1: of anything, because until we see a preseason game, in

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Speaker 1: a regular season game, I can tell you everybody is

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Speaker 1: saying the greatest thing ever, and everybody's giving you the

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Speaker 1: money quote, and it doesn't translate to the field. And

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Speaker 1: if I can, David, I feel like at least everything

519
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Speaker 1: is moving in the right direction. And I think that

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Speaker 1: from an organizational standpoint, from the beginning when the UH

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Speaker 1: when the when they made the change with the GM

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Speaker 1: and the head coach, and you know that the word

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Speaker 1: culture kind of came in and and I think that

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Speaker 1: that was something that was immediately had to be changed.

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Speaker 1: I think Dave Gentleman and Pat Shermer over extended themselves

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Speaker 1: in a way that they wanted to be so over

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Speaker 1: the top with it that it's worked to this point.

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Speaker 1: Now it's just a matter of of cohesiveness and getting

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Speaker 1: this team to to play together and become one as

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Speaker 1: a team. And I'm just as this the r cliches

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Speaker 1: as you hear in football, but you know, you really

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Speaker 1: want that type of camaraderie that all fifty three guys

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Speaker 1: are eventually going to do it to start to start

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Speaker 1: the season. I agree. I I would also um comment

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Speaker 1: just on the on the defense side, it seems like

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Speaker 1: there's been more which is interesting to me, more comments

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Speaker 1: just in terms of what the identity of this defense

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Speaker 1: is going to be. Allow the conversation around where you know,

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Speaker 1: where sacks are going to come from, all that sort

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Speaker 1: of stuff. You know, it kills me to say this,

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Speaker 1: but Um, one of the defensive coordinators that I think

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Speaker 1: has over the years gotten the most out of his

543
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Speaker 1: defense mainly through effort, because I don't think they're that

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Speaker 1: talented is ironically the Cowboys and Rob Marinelli or Rod

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Speaker 1: Marinelli and he that defense flies to the ball, they

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Speaker 1: play fast, they play hard. There. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: their talent at times has been that great. And I

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Speaker 1: just use as an example the the things you hear

549
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Speaker 1: coming out of Betcher in terms of the players and

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Speaker 1: the and the interesting part is more how much they

551
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Speaker 1: talked about the relationship. There was a quote from Kareem

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Speaker 1: Martin in particular, who's played with him in Arizona, that

553
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Speaker 1: just talked about how he feels like Betcher cares for

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Speaker 1: him personally. UM, and I hope and think that that's

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Speaker 1: probably the case. But when a player is saying that,

556
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Speaker 1: you know, and what that can build in terms of

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Speaker 1: a defense and just Becher's view that you know, he

558
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Speaker 1: wants to have an aggressive, fast defense that flies to

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Speaker 1: the ball. A lot of times, when you have that,

560
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Speaker 1: it can mask a lot of other weaknesses in your defense,

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Speaker 1: and it can make the defense that much more productive

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Speaker 1: and I think that's to me when I look at

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Speaker 1: this defense, that's where I think, you know, um, the

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Speaker 1: old days of the Giants. I mean you you know,

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Speaker 1: you guys all remember that the you know, the main

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Speaker 1: stories and histories of the past where you know you

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Speaker 1: saw the giants where there was there wasn't one or

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Speaker 1: two or three guys to the ball, there was there

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Speaker 1: was six or seven guys to the ball. And and

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Speaker 1: I think that's where they're gonna see a see an

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Speaker 1: up grade. So I'd love to hear your comments, and

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Speaker 1: I'll take that off air. I will tell you that,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've gotten to know James Thatcher over the

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Speaker 1: last two or three months pretty well. Um, but I

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Speaker 1: also got to know Steve Spagnola too, and I know

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Speaker 1: that they're very similar learned in the sense that they

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Speaker 1: do care about their players. And I think that most

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Speaker 1: coaches do. Don't get me wrong, Um, I really do.

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Speaker 1: And I just think that there's sometimes that some coaches

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Speaker 1: go out of their way just a little bit more

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Speaker 1: than than others to to help their players. They get

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Speaker 1: to know them, and in return, you get that you

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Speaker 1: get players that will play for you. Okay, And not

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Speaker 1: to say that, uh, last year that Steve Spagnol didn't

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Speaker 1: do that. But I just you know that we can

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Speaker 1: all just talk about what happened. Last year was just

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Speaker 1: a litany of things that went wrong. But I think

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Speaker 1: moving forward with coach Betcher is that he has that

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Speaker 1: care for his players. He calls the guys up into

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Speaker 1: his office just to just to talk, not that you're

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Speaker 1: in trouble. Hey, come on up, how's the family, what's

592
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Speaker 1: doing things? And you know, you kind of start that

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Speaker 1: relationship and I think that it carries over onto the field. Now,

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Speaker 1: these coaches all have a very um the ability to

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Speaker 1: turn it on and off. Are you doing lass in

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Speaker 1: my office? Then you get in the field, and there's

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Speaker 1: a little bit difference, okay, but that's a respect. That's

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Speaker 1: a respect thing. You understand that when you go to

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Speaker 1: work on the football field, you cannot take you gotta

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Speaker 1: have thick skin, do not take anything personally. We're trying

601
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Speaker 1: to get work done on the field and that means

602
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Speaker 1: a lot. Now there's some guys that don't. They don't

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Speaker 1: know the distinction. It's one way. It's it's kind of

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00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: hard nosed, mean coach. And he's still the same way

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Speaker 1: in the in the in the building and when you

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Speaker 1: eat with them, it's just a just a jerk, you know.

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Speaker 1: But we all have them there. There's coaches like that,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know if there's that many of them

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Speaker 1: on this roster. Well, I mean, I think related to

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Speaker 1: this Jeff is Tom Coughlin in terms of how he

611
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: made the adjustment right. He started to open up. He

612
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Speaker 1: started to show a different side of himself, his personal life,

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Speaker 1: his family life. And when the players saw that, they

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00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: open up. They all of a sudden said, Hey, I'm

615
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: gonna run through the wall for this guy. And they

616
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: also understood that when you were on the practice field,

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Speaker 1: it was all business. You know. The other guy like

618
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: was like that was homegrin Um who I played for

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Speaker 1: in Seattle. You know, Greg guy off the off the

620
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Speaker 1: field find big big do now, I mean, very intimidating,

621
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Speaker 1: but kind of just a teddy bear, you know, a

622
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: nice guy and this and that. But I'll tell you what,

623
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Speaker 1: on game day, Holy smokes, I mean, the guy is

624
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: just just a crazy man, you know. Oh my god,

625
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: if there is it's right his pictures right next to

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Speaker 1: that to that definition of who those people are, Oh

627
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: my god, it's just crazy. But you know these guys

628
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: just and you kind of a respect for him. And

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Speaker 1: you gotta understand, Listen, the NFL is not for the

630
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Speaker 1: people that have thin skin to come in here. No

631
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Speaker 1: matter what's what your coaches and the players, there's guys

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Speaker 1: that you know that that that bark at you on

633
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: the field. They tell you this, They tell you that

634
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Speaker 1: if you're a guy that can't handle that, you're not

635
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: gonna be in this league long. Trust me. Well, and

636
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: that's why it's a feeling out process. Whenever there's a

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00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: new coach that takes over from the player's standpoint, they

638
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: need to get to know the coach. Coach needs to

639
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: get the players and then you know, to what the

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Speaker 1: Kohla was alluding to. I think if you established the

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Speaker 1: parameters of that mutual relationship, Jeff Fine, then all of

642
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Speaker 1: a sudden, the players know what the tendencies of the

643
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: coach are. Coach knows what the tendencies of the players are,

644
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: and I think you become more productive as a team. Correct, correct,

645
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: I think that's been well documented. All right, let's head

646
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: back to the phone lines. Nigel is in Maryland. Nigel,

647
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: what's happening, Good afternoon, gentleman. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Yes, sir,

648
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: Um actually shortened my call because I was actually gonna

649
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: call in and ask about training camp and the CBA

650
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: parameters and scrimmages and things like that, and you you

651
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: guys already touched on that, which is which is very

652
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: informative and and and awesome. The second thing I was

653
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: gonna talk about was, I'm sure everybody observers and fans

654
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: are looking at the team and looking at what's upcoming

655
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: in the next what are they going to be on

656
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: like a five week hiatus before they come back for

657
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: training camp, And basically they have their checklist of what

658
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: they want to see. You're curious is seeing and the

659
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: top three things that I'm looking at is won the

660
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: offensive line, just to see how they mesh and gel

661
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: and how they perform. As well as, uh, the just

662
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: to see the guys who were down Lineman d N's

663
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: last year who are now transitioning to be in the

664
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: eye front and we're standing up guys that you mentioned,

665
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: the Cuara every moss O v just to see how

666
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: they actually perform with as well with the infusement infusing

667
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: the new talent with the Lorenzo Carter, just to see

668
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: how these guys actually play. I don't know how much

669
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in space, but I know they'll be

670
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: standing up, So just to see how they transition and

671
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: perform in that in that aspect. And lastly the cornerback group,

672
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: because everyone's been talking about we lost dr C. We

673
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: lost DRC, which is which which was a big loss.

674
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: I will, I will admit to that, But what what's

675
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: kind of getting overlooked as we lost Ross cockwell as well?

676
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: Who was who really played very well in my opinion

677
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: as last year, so that we're actually down to performing corners.

678
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: So just to see how how much William Gay has

679
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: in the tank, if Eli Apple Kid regained the promise

680
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: that we saw in his first year, and just who's

681
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: going to come up to be that fourth cornerback. So

682
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: that's that's really what I'm looking at. What I posed

683
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: to you guys is what if you had to rank

684
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: the top three things that you're looking at it this

685
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: this coming training camp, where would they be? And I'll

686
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: take your answers offline. Than appreciate the vote call. I

687
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: think it's good good to think about. Um. I haven't

688
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: really thought much about I think for me it's probably

689
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: would be the offensive line. To see how they meshed

690
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: together and what that combination of who is is Brett

691
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: Jones going to be the starting center? Is lapo halapio Halo?

692
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: I got like hallapeno and and and qina waw sowhere

693
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: in between and Kea are on the offensive? Just call

694
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: up John h how about that? You know what we

695
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: got to call up with the nickname from who I

696
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: think we got, you know, just like double oh yeah,

697
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: we got to come up with maybe there we go.

698
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: There was a question for the fans this off season

699
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: for nickname just for Jeff Eagles, for John and and

700
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: the other guy too oh oh oh maham no now

701
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: like no, now we got ed a mom a. We

702
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: got ed a mom a hallapeno and what else? Who else?

703
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: Is that about the big big You just need to

704
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: make those nicknames apparent. I would like to see some

705
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: of the callers. I would like to see some of

706
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: their you know, you can even put it on Twitter

707
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: for us, but I think that that would be the

708
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: number one thing for me is to see how the

709
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: officive line works UM. And the other one is I

710
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: want to see how these linebackers UM play because it's

711
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: a different front and I think with the different system

712
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: is how these guys are going to mix it up

713
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: a little bit with coach Betcher's new system. So those

714
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: two things for me, third one, um, I think it's

715
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: the third one would probably be who who's going to

716
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: be the third the third, the third and fourth cornerbacks? Really,

717
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty wide open, you know. I I

718
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, you're gonna get it's it's

719
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: obviously gonna be Jack Rabbit and Apple, you know, and

720
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: then who's the third guy and the fourth guy? You know,

721
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, one of the guys that came

722
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: in as a corner and is actually now moving to safety,

723
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: and Betro spoke about this is Curtis Riley, who was

724
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: with Tennessee last year. So they're really moving guys around

725
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: just to get a feel for them. But it's as Mark,

726
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: I even saw William Gay play a little safety yesterday, um,

727
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: out of practice and it was just briefly for two plays,

728
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: and you know that's so um. And again, I think

729
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times we've we've talked about this before,

730
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: is the versatility of players means a lot. I mean,

731
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: so from a coaching standpoint, If I know that a

732
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: guy can play multiple positions, um, I feel more a

733
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: lot more confidence in possibly holding on to another you know,

734
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: maybe one of these other guys, just but I know

735
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: that I still have a little bit of help if

736
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: the guy doesn't pan out, I still have somebody that

737
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: I know can still play that position, a veteran or whatever.

738
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, the third one for me would probably be

739
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: the linebackers. I'm really excited about this, this group of

740
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: linebackers that are in here this year, you know, I mean, um,

741
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: the new players. I mean, um, you look at Kream

742
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: Martin and and Ogotree. I just good sent back from injury, yep.

743
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: But I think that's just it's a lot of speed

744
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: out there, a lot of speed. So we'll see that

745
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: can cover ground east west, north south. Then that's the

746
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: versatility that Betcher is talking about that he wants to

747
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: tap into to get the production. While it may not

748
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: appear to be on paper a bunch of names, hopefully

749
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: that skill set will help bring about the sacks. I

750
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: am in agreement with you, Jeff, and mostly everything you said.

751
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: I think if you narrow it down to the top

752
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: three question marks or things to look for once training

753
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: camp starts. I think the offensive line by default is

754
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: number one, and it's not as if the Giants haven't

755
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: addressed it. It's just okay, now you want to see

756
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: it translate. And that was obviously a big concern over

757
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: the last few seasons, So that to me, by default

758
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: has to be number one. Number two is the opposite side.

759
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna say defensive line. I'm not gonna

760
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: say linebackers. I'm gonna say pass rush. And outside of

761
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: Olivier Vernon, where is the consistency gonna come in terms

762
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: of the pass words? That would be my second question

763
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: when I look at the makeup of this team, And

764
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: then the third question to me would be piggybacking off

765
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: of the last caller, the third, fourth, fifth corner. I

766
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: almost put them in one group because it's not about

767
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: who the top three are, you know. I feel as

768
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: if the conversation focuses too much on Jenkins, Apple and

769
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: Gay No. If one of those go down, who is

770
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: the reliable guy that's gonna step in, And we saw

771
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: that was an issue last year. May not be on

772
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: the roster. I mean, maybe it's a veteran they add

773
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: late before training camp. One percent with you there, But

774
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: that to me is I think one of the top

775
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: three question marks associated with this team as we get

776
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: set for Kimps and then as a sidebar to that,

777
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: even though it's really not going to matter now, but

778
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: just because you want to see it, he kind of

779
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: want to see the development of Davis Webb a little bit,

780
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, kind of see how he does in in

781
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: a new system, how he does in some in some

782
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: preseason games, how he does in some of these practices

783
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: that they're gonna have with the Lions. And this is

784
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: a little bit of of uh, the second year kind

785
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: of is Davis Webb going to be that guy? And

786
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: and Kyle Aletta is you know who's gonna be the

787
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: backup quarterback? I mean, we I think we know it's

788
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: gonna be Davis Webb, but you never know. You never know.

789
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if Loto wows them in the preseason,

790
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: I think it could be very well interchangeable. But in

791
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: terms of expectations, I don't think it's asked too much

792
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: or it's a crazy stretch to say Davids Webb should

793
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: win the backup job, considering he's got an additional you know,

794
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: and and a lot of times. What happens is we

795
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: spend so many months on the draft and then it

796
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: comes and it goes, and really, you don't hear a

797
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: lot about these guys that are drafted later on because

798
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: you know what, they don't play a lot unless you're

799
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: the one or the two. You know, that's it. I mean,

800
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now. You know, Lorenzo Carter is

801
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: a guy because of the system that he's in, is

802
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: probably gonna get a lot of playing time. But she's

803
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: not gonna play as much as you think he is. Okay,

804
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: some of the other guys are not gonna be you know,

805
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: they're not gonna play that much. But your sequon Barkley,

806
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: certainly you're going to see him play. Okay, You're gonna

807
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: see Will Hernandez play. And I think you're gonna see

808
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: b J Hill play a lot. Okay, Um, those are

809
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: your guys. But the rest of them special teamers. And

810
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, and and we mentioned this on the on

811
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: the on the show yesterday about these these positions that

812
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: we're questioning, not questioning if as so much as although

813
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: they are they the right guys is who's gonna make it?

814
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: It all depends on that special teams. That special teams

815
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: question is can they play a position on the special

816
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: teams that warns them to be on the roster. Yeah,

817
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: yesterday we were talking about it. It's not just wide

818
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: receivers and running backs, it's safety's, it's corners, every position,

819
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: because they're gonna have to choose from that vast array

820
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: of spots in order to contribute on special teams. So

821
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 1: that obviously is gonna be a key thing to watch

822
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: in the preseason games, who's chipping in, who's making plays,

823
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: because then that's the difference between the fourth and the

824
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: fifth defensive lineman that they keep, or the fifth and

825
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: the sixth cornerback, because they want to know that, hey,

826
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: this guy could serve as a gunner or this guy's

827
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: a potential return man. That's why one of the things

828
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: that you and I talked about yesterday, Jeff was I

829
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: was watching closely when they were practicing punt returns. I

830
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: was noticing who was in the mix, and a lot

831
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: of wide receivers. No surprise, we're fielding punts, and you're

832
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: saying to yourself, well, Travis Rudolph is in that mix

833
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: for that fourth fifth wide receiver and Roger Lewis's and

834
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: calif Raymond is, all of these guys that we constantly

835
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: talk about. If they could prove to return, then that's

836
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: another check mark next to their name in terms of

837
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: solidifying a spot. Well, I'm looking at the depth chart

838
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: right now. They who do you think they? Who? Do

839
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: you think that they are listing? My apologies? Well, I

840
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: thought we're having a conversation. I think you're gonna test

841
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: me and I didn't see much of anything any do you?

842
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: You're moving the screen too quickly? Part returner? Who? This

843
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: is the depth chart I have up here? They have

844
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: listed of first in a second, Well, this is also

845
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: not giants dot com. We should mention this is a

846
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: different website that you're looking at. This is our lads, Okay.

847
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: Yer Ledge is very good in terms of developing depth charts.

848
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: So who do they have listed as the starting punt return?

849
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: You're asking me right now? I would say, boy, no, boys, not.

850
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: My guests would be do they have Sterling Shepherd number one?

851
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: He is number two? Okay, I thought they would have

852
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: had Shepherd is number one? So then you did you

853
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: just mentioned him a minute ago one of the guys

854
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: you did mention it was one of the guys that

855
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: I mentioned. Oh, I see, I wouldn't have thought they

856
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: put Travis Rudolph to have his number one? Do you

857
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: did you Clive Raymond who did most of it last year.

858
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: So basically they kept last year's depth charts. That's essentially

859
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: what they did. They probably haven't made any tweaks to it.

860
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think most people would project though

861
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: him has number one in terms of the punt return job.

862
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: If anything, I would have thought maybe they would have

863
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: thrown out Oldell Beckham there here or there. And I

864
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: can't even see Sterling Shepard being the name part return guy. No,

865
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: not the every down guy, but I could see him

866
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: and Beckham being tossed out there. But in terms of

867
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: who would be the every down guy that they constantly

868
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: look to return punts, were start like Travis Rudolph, I mean,

869
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: certainly as an opportunity or Roger Lewis, all of those

870
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: guys who are the third fourth receiver, you know, because

871
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: you feel like you're not gonna run them into the

872
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: ground if you throw them in that spot. We're so

873
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: used to having a guy like Um Harris, who was

874
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: legitimately a part returner. Well Cody Latimer. Then I mean,

875
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: as another guy, we we've got to take the consideration.

876
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: But you know, do they want to only use one

877
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: guy on kickoff and one guy on punt? Do they

878
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: want to utilize both? How much of a role is say,

879
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: kwant Barkley gonna have on kickoffs? You know, all of

880
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: those question marks that they come to the forefront. Lattimer

881
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: I think is the easy one to lay out there.

882
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: But I even think if Lattimer starts to play a

883
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: definitive bigger role as the number three receiver Jeff, then

884
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: they may get to the point where they don't want

885
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: to utilize him on special teams all the time. That's

886
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: more of a reason why a guy like Travis Rudolf

887
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: and Roger Lewis, I think, would need to prove that

888
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: they can return punts. Yeah, I still think that this

889
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: is Yeah, it's so it's so early to even look

890
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: at this thing. Well, that's why the Giants are not

891
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: even having the conversation about publishing anything, because the coaching

892
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: staff will tell you we're testing out so many guys

893
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: at this point. Be extremely premature. Absolutely all right, let's

894
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: head back to the phone lines at two zero five,

895
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: one three hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter, Steve is on

896
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: Staten Island, Steve, what's happening very well, Steve, what you

897
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: got for us? Um? Well, I hate you. I just can't. Yeah,

898
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: But I mean I just know and I get where

899
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: you're coming from. And there's a lot of Giants fans.

900
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure that echo you're sentiments. But I'm always of

901
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: the philosophy, if you have a great talent on your team,

902
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: the worst thing you could do is hold that talent back.

903
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: And I always referenced Antonio Brown with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

904
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: They don't shy away from throw him and out there

905
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: as the main punt returner, Steve. So if they could

906
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: throw him out there and they know he's an X factor,

907
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: then why shouldn't any other team feel the same way? Yeah?

908
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: I get it. You know, I just got that memory

909
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: in my head and I get to go to play

910
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: and that happens, like, oh my god. You know. Anyway,

911
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the you know, when you

912
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: get down to the final cuts, right and and uh,

913
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: you know, when you pick up guys off the scrap heap,

914
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, whatever that might be. You know, at the

915
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: end of the day. Do we have to actually get

916
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: down to the final fifty three before you start to

917
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: make those kinds of moves? Is that how that works? Yeah? Normally, well,

918
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: normally there's a deadline. I mean, I don't know the

919
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: date off the top of my head, but it's normally

920
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: by like Sunday at four o'clock and a Saturday at

921
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: four o'clock the Saturday before the first week of the

922
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: season at four p m. Eastern, you have to get

923
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: your roster down to fifty three. So then what happened

924
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: Steve is all the teams are gonna be letting go

925
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: of players because they're narrowing it down to fifty three.

926
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: So you then can make a change, but you already

927
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: have had to get down to the fifty three. Case

928
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: in point, if you remember, the Ross Cockrell move was

929
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: made right as they were narrowing down the fifty three

930
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: man roster, and then I think, if I'm correct, Dion

931
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: was let go to make room for Ross Cockrell. So

932
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: Dion had had a spot in the fifty three, and

933
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: then they made a tweak because they all of a

934
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: sudden negotiated deal with that. The next day, they have

935
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: a certain amount of time to do that the Sunday

936
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: after they finalize on Saturday to the fifty three. So

937
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: to answer your question, when when the most of these

938
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: free agents become available, they're becoming available, Steve, because all

939
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: of these teams have gone down to fifty three. Now

940
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: you will see some players get released before the fi

941
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: D three because it depends on how teams want to

942
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: make their decisions. And then yeah, you can then swap

943
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: out a player before you get to the fifth each year,

944
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: as long as you do it before the deadline, which

945
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: is that Saturday. Okay, so you you actually cannot go

946
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: past there is what you say, it once Saturday. Once

947
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: that Saturday four pm Eastern deadline arrives, you cannot add

948
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: an additional player. If you're gonna make a change, you

949
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: gotta get rid of a guy to then create an

950
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: open spot. And also it also means you don't have

951
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: to be at fifty three. There are some teams that

952
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: are fifty one. You know, they're just they're just you know,

953
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: and yeah, player, okay, you know right now? You know

954
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: the battle at right tackle is between a Wheeler and Flowers.

955
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: That's pretty much it. Right as far as the depth

956
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: go there, well, I don't I don't expect any offensive

957
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: tackles to show up in the final cuts. I think

958
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: on the papers on paper, that's that's what it is. Okay, Um,

959
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: you know. And then you've got this Nick Beckton kid.

960
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: That's that's here. Um. It's this three free agent in

961
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen. So he's been in the legal Yeah,

962
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: he's been the primary backup to Soldier at left tackle.

963
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but they have him listened on this depth chart,

964
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: which I'm just it mstory on because I can tell

965
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: you right now that they have this they have they

966
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: have Curtis Riley as being the holder, which by the way,

967
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: he's not going to be the holder, so he's a

968
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: cornerback today. It's a work in progress. And the last

969
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: thing I got, if you don't mind now right now,

970
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: we have Rohausen as the kicker. And you know last year,

971
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, look, he was a Wookie and whatever, and

972
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: at some points, you know, it looked to me like

973
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: the game just might have been bigger than him. Okay,

974
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: at a certain points. And and my question is, Jesus, uh,

975
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: who could possibly be out there? I know we who?

976
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: We We signed somebody late last year to comment the camp. Yeah, nugent.

977
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: But geez, I don't. I'm not a really good treat

978
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: anybody out there. I think there are a few free

979
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: agent kickers. I mean, we can look it up for

980
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: you that there are a few guys here. For example,

981
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: Blair Walsh is still out there. The former Vikings and

982
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: Seahawks kicker Nick Folk, who was with the Jets and

983
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, is still out there. Those two guys are

984
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: probably the most prevalent names for veterans. Yeah, correct, they have.

985
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: They have a kid by the name of Marshall Cone.

986
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: Ko e h n Cone. I think that's how you

987
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: say it. Um. He was actually with the Minnesota Vikings

988
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: last year. If you look at the deal. Um, he's

989
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: weighed in September seventeen. He almost made the team. I

990
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: was talking to coach prefer the other day, Mike Preefer,

991
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: who was a special teams coach with me back in

992
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: the day. He's the special teams coach for the Vikings. Um,

993
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: both the kicker and the punter that are here now

994
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: we're in the Vikings with organization last year. Uh, temporarily um.

995
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: And but he told me that Marshall Cone was an

996
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: extra point away from winning the job. From Kyle Forbath

997
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: last year it's trus thing, and that he missed an

998
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: extra point in the third preseason game and Mike Zimmer

999
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: told Mike during the game, he's out of here. I

1000
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: don't want to Mom. It literally came down to that

1001
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: one extra point. And so when I asked him a

1002
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: little bit about him, he said, listen, Jeff, he's got

1003
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: a strong leg, and he's a competitor. Um, he's you know,

1004
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 1: he's young, like all the kickers saying staying with Aldreke.

1005
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: So in my opinion, I honestly believe that these two

1006
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: kids are gonna battle it out. I don't know if

1007
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: they're going to bring in a veteran, and if they do, um,

1008
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: they don't have to. They don't have to bring in

1009
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: a veteran because they have a good competition with these

1010
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: two guys. The veteran move will be if one of

1011
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: these one of these two guys can't make the team

1012
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: and they're both horrible. But I think these are the

1013
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: guys that they're going to go to camp with. I

1014
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: would agree with you. I mean, I could see them

1015
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: certainly trying to test the two young guys out. And

1016
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: then it's not as if these kickers are being signed

1017
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: left and right every single day. They could always bring

1018
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: somebody in two or three weeks into the training camp

1019
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: session if they don't feel content with either one of them.

1020
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, Mike Nugent did on the

1021
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: market still as well, so there you go, if they

1022
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: choose to go in that direction. I think that last

1023
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: year they brought Mike Nugent in here because Aldrick Rossis

1024
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: was young and they wanted him to learn from Mike Nugent.

1025
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: And Mike Nugent turned around and had a great preseason

1026
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: and then he ended up you know, getting a job.

1027
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: Um So, but I think that, you know, at this situation,

1028
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: I think they'll they'll both keeping on the punting side

1029
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: of it. You know Riley who came from Denver for

1030
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: an unconditional seventh round draft pick, so that means if

1031
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: he makes a team, they give up a seventh round

1032
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: draft pick. If he doesn't, then no big deal. So

1033
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: they have another guy here. Ironically made it through uh

1034
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: the preseason last year in Minnesota and it just ended

1035
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 1: up getting cut. So another Minnesota comes in here. Didn't

1036
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: come down to one punt as well, just like that.

1037
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: But um, I know that he's got a big, big leg.

1038
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: Um from what Mike prefer told me. Um, just spoke

1039
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: with him this morning because they they're they're kick her up.

1040
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: There is Ryan Quigley or their punter. Yeah, right quickly

1041
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: and um he was asking me if if I could, uh,

1042
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: you know, have have some a few words with with

1043
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: quickly because he's a directional kicking guy. And um, he

1044
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: just wants to, you know, pick my brain, which I

1045
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: told him that's fine. Absolutely. Jeff Eagles, the consultant, Steve,

1046
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much for Hey, Steve,

1047
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: you're talking to you as always, buddy, Thank you call me.

1048
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: That's okay. Well, I don't know, I feel like we've

1049
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: been calling you Steve. Pete. I will listen. Feel free

1050
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: to correct us. And the only reason we did it

1051
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: because Dave Dave put it up. There is Steve, So

1052
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna Jeff, don't forget you will call I like

1053
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: that one That might even be right, Pete, I appreciate

1054
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: tell you that I probably will call him Telapia once

1055
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: to see something. Well, listen, for the sake of comic relief,

1056
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: I've offered you Butcher, Yes, listen, But the thing is

1057
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: if I do say Tilapia, you know whom exactly, everybody

1058
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: will low because you'll have enough mental reps and you'll

1059
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: have said it verbally on this program that everybody will

1060
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: get an idea. I'm just gonna think of a mom

1061
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: a for oh mom a. That's probably the best way.

1062
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: I think most people are thinking along your lines as well. Okay,

1063
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: just think of food and there you go. And they

1064
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: both play on the offensive line. So there you go.

1065
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: We're bringing it all together. Let's head back to the

1066
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: phone lines. Jason is in Denmark. Jason, what's happening? Hey,

1067
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: what's going on? Tell us today? Um on the roster

1068
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: the medical people from last year? Who's the biggest concern

1069
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: right now? As far as the people that went out

1070
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: with medical last year, well, I gotta believe that you

1071
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: look at the two top guys would be Landing Collins

1072
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: and or Dell Beckham now or Dell Beckham has been cleared,

1073
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: so you know, and I don't know about Landing Collins

1074
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: being cleared yet. Well, he had taken off the red

1075
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: jersey in the asked O t A, So I mean

1076
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: he's at least making progress and moving along. But once

1077
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: we get to camps when we'll truly know. But I

1078
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: think you look at those guys there as your top

1079
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: two in my opinion, right, um, And I think Jenkins

1080
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: is another guy you throw in there. I mean, given

1081
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: the fact that you know he suffered a late injury, right,

1082
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: so he's somebody also who is a notable name in

1083
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: an extremely important position. The other one too, that not

1084
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: so much like a serious injury or whatever, but just

1085
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: being to the point of staying healthy, would be Olivia Vernon.

1086
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean he just seems to be you know, he

1087
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: plays a lot of nagging injury. Nagging just gets hurt

1088
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: and something just carries it through the whole season. But um,

1089
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: if I had I would say Landon Collins to me,

1090
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: just because I haven't seen him do the work, I'm

1091
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: out of practice. Not to say he's not doing the

1092
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: work per se. I mean he's working, but he's not

1093
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: out there running a rouse and doing things like O'Dell

1094
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: Beckham is at this point. Well, Vernon, I'm not too

1095
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: concerned about it. And the reason being, Jeff is if

1096
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: you look at his track record, he had not missed

1097
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: the game, so I you can at least give him

1098
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: maybe the benefit of the doubt to say Vernon has

1099
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: been a durable player over the course of career. I

1100
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: tend to shy away from you can't label Olivia Vernon

1101
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: is an injury plague player. I've see some people referring

1102
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: to that guy had missed four games this season for

1103
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: the first time in his career. How is all of

1104
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: a sudden injury plague player. No, I'm not faulting you

1105
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: for bringing him up. I think it's fair to bring

1106
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: him up. I've seen I've seen some narratives out there

1107
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: where Olivier Vernon's and injury. I was trying to say that.

1108
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't I hope this isn't a like

1109
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: a trend coming on where before and now that's fair,

1110
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,479
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. But but the guy does play,

1111
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: he did come in here, he played tons and tons

1112
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: of football games. And yeah, but answer your question, I

1113
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: would say Landing Collins to me would be the guy

1114
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about. I'm not concerned about it at all.

1115
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just waiting to see the outcome of

1116
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: the healing process and when he'll be ready for training camp,

1117
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: he will both of them. Yeah, I'll actually I'll throw

1118
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: one more name out Jason. The guy that probably I

1119
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: have the biggest question mark about is b J Goodson

1120
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: because Goodson doesn't have a huge resume. Goodson flash last

1121
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: year and then obviously with Sideline with the injury. So

1122
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: that's a guy who I think is extremely important to

1123
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: this defense. Playing next to alec Ogletree. I mean, you

1124
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: want to make sure that you can at least get

1125
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, twelve thirteen games out of b J Goodson

1126
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: this year, So that to me, I think is at

1127
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: the top of the list amongst all the injuries, mainly

1128
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,959
Speaker 1: because Landed Collins also missed the game for the first

1129
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: time in his career this year, just like Olivier Vernon,

1130
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: so you know, he doesn't have that track record. Jenkins

1131
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: has been a fairly durable player for the most part.

1132
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 1: And you know, Beckham looks like we lost Jason. So Jason,

1133
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: if you want to give us a ring back, we'll

1134
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: try to get your other thoughts here on the air. So,

1135
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, Goods in small sample size, he would be

1136
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: somebody that I think would come to the forefront when

1137
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: you look about guys who are trying to bounce back

1138
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: from injuries. Well, I mean I'm just going down the

1139
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: list of guys I see here, Um, they played on

1140
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: this team last year that missed some games. I mean

1141
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: Andrew Adams is a guy that you know couldn't stay

1142
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: healthy the whole see eason. Um. You know, I don't

1143
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: know a lot about alec Oger Tree are than the

1144
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: fact that just he's mainly been healthy. There was one

1145
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: season where he had a significant injury where he missed

1146
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: the majority of the year. Outside of that, it's been

1147
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: fairly durable. Yeah, I think those are those are your guys.

1148
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean, most of the guys that got hurt last

1149
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: year that you know stayed hurt and they're not back

1150
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: a lot of them. I mean, Roger Lewis was hurt,

1151
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 1: but he's back. But I think that you know, Beckham

1152
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: and Collins are the biggest two question marks as far

1153
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: as when it comes to injuries, and I think both

1154
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: of them are on pace just to be able to

1155
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: play and start the season. Fine. Well, the good news

1156
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: rebeccam is he's well beyond surgery at this point, in

1157
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: full recovery mode at this point. So you just want

1158
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: to now say, all right, put the pads on, embraced

1159
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: the physicality, let's go to work Collins. The positive with

1160
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: Collins is at least they realized it wasn't healing correctly

1161
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: after he had his initial surgery, and they immediately corrected it.

1162
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: Because the worst thing that could have happened Jeff is

1163
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: he then waits even longer to get closer a training camp.

1164
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: Then you have the surgery again, and then all of

1165
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, he's a spectator. You don't want to get

1166
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: into that position. That was a good catch, as they say,

1167
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: correct the fact that they realized, hey, you know what,

1168
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: it's not healing the way we want it. Let's go

1169
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: back on to the knife and take care of business

1170
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, and that that that's that's tough, you know,

1171
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: knowing that you're rehabbing and all of a sudden it's

1172
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: not healing the way it's supposed to. And now you're like,

1173
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, so everything I've done after this point

1174
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: has been a waste. But you know, hey, he'll be back,

1175
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: and uh that interesting to see how he plays in

1176
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: this Betcher system. You know, you look at how the

1177
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: Honey Badger played in in that system down in Arizona,

1178
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: and I, I I mean collectively, I just really am excited

1179
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: to see how this defense adapts to James Betcher, the

1180
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: way he calls games, and how they changed constantly. They're

1181
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: not they're not a very They're not a guy that

1182
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: to show up and there in the three four and

1183
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: they stay in it. They change a lot of a

1184
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: lot of personnel um uh mixes coming in and going,

1185
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: and you know you're gonna see a lot of nickel

1186
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: and dime on second down, third whatever it is. There's

1187
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: gonna be tons of different changes going on which you'll

1188
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: be exciting to see. And I think that's gonna They're

1189
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: gonna get after the quarterback and in in a little

1190
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: bit of different ways rather than the traditional defensive ends

1191
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: and defensive tackles. It'll be a big part of seeing

1192
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: how far this defense could go and how consistent this

1193
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: defense could go, whether or not you have a multitude

1194
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: of guys that could get to the quarterback, and that's

1195
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: something that Betro will be looking for once they put

1196
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: the pads on in training camp. That's gonna wrap up

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