WEBVTT - Green Renovation and Construction 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:17.160 It's ready, are you hey? And welcome to the podcast. 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:19.639 I'm Josh Clark with me as always as Charles W. 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:23.400 Chuck Bryant. Dressed like me today, all right? You can 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.439 even get like a little food stained right there, just like, Yeah, 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:28.880 I'm wearing like a plaid collar shirt with a sweater 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.920 over it. And Josh came up and it's like, what's 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.680 up with that? You're stealing my look? And you are, 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:38.080 but you wear it well, Chuck. Well, if you came 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:39.519 in with a T shirt with a hole in it 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.640 and a half beard and a baseball cap, you would 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:44.600 yell at me too, flip flops. I would say the 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.120 same thing. You get out the car radio antenna again, 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:53.760 wouldn't you? Yeah, all right, what's your set up here? Well? Okay, 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.760 you ready for my set up? This is all business, 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.480 isn't it. Let's do it all right, Chuck? You're heard 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.720 of J. B. McKinnon. No, have you ever heard of 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:07.120 the hundred Mile Food Movement? Yes? Okay, so J. B. 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.160 McKinnon and uh I think his girlfriend were the people 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.520 who originated this and wrote that book. Plenty that's the 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:14.759 idea that you try to not eat any food that's 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.200 more than a hundred miles from your home, right, right, 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:22.800 And that kind of lends itself to seasonal leading. Yeah, um, 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:27.120 he said, apparently good luck finding a beer that was 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:32.560 produced within a hundred miles like grown produced all within 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.960 a hundred miles. Right. But yea, it's the local basis 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.119 of the local war movement, or at least the mouthpiece 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.880 of it. Right. So he's become kind of this boy 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:45.240 wonder and environmentalism as a whole since that book was released, 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.680 people look to him for advice and he puts on 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.080 his glasses and clears his throat and gives it to 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:55.040 him sometimes. Um. But McKinnon uh had this pretty awesome 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:59.280 article um that was republished in the October September October 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:05.720 e Reader Uh and it was about basically not getting 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:10.720 paralyzed by having so many problems presented to us like 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:14.520 we do, right, And he cites the sociologists paralyzed into 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.480 not taking action there's nothing I can do, or into 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:23.040 taking too much action, which is equally problematic. Right. Um. 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:28.120 There's a uh famous sociologist named Stanley Cohen, and Cohen 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.920 that j b. McKinnon sites this isn't me, I'm just 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:35.440 a fan. Um. McKinnon cites Cohen's book States of Denial, 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:40.120 and basically in it, Cohen's like he talks about how 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:45.160 we delude ourselves into inaction right largely because it's just 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.880 too much or you know, we're trying to do too much. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.639 And he says, you know, there's only so much we 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:55.119 can do, and we can't waste our energy on every 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:59.519 single problem that we face. So what mckinnons McKinnon suggests 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:03.120 is um called vertical agitation, where you pick one topic 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.240 and you give it everything you've got. If you want 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.520 to save the dolphins, you save those dolphins, you know, 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:14.079 if you want to um, make sure every single person 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.919 in America follows through on this compact fluorescent bulb thing. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.840 That's your thing to make that your movement. If you 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:28.839 are interested in reducing the waste stream, that's your thing. 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.360 And this is your podcast. Thanks straight, this is your podcast. 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.720 I think I like the outtake better. Nope, Okay, well, 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:43.600 let's plug ahead, chuckers Chuck. Specifically, we're gonna start out 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:48.960 with the problem that well, let's talk about this one 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:54.320 of the biggest sectors of municipal waste. That waste stream huge. Right. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:59.760 One of the big way, one of the big areas 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:03.160 of thought today is figuring out how to reduce to 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.440 the wast stream. And there's all sorts of ideas. There's 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.240 a carpet company and I can't remember what it's called, 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:12.840 but it's headed by this great idealist visionary um and 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:18.839 they least carpeting. You never own the carpeting in your house. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.839 You lease it, which is you're paying all the same 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.479 price or whatever. But you when you have it taken out, 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:26.520 you can't take it to dump because it's not yours. 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.120 That company takes it back and they recycle it it is, 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.720 so it's being diverted from the waste stream, right. So uh. 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.200 One of the biggest um, one of the biggest sectors 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.880 of municipal waste that accounts for I think are accounting 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.320 for of all the waste generated and taken to the 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.960 dumps in the United States is called construction and demolition waste. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:55.320 One big way of converting or diverting i'm sorry, waste 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.599 from this waste stream away from the municipal dump and 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:05.479 back into reuse is demolition over recyc remodeling, I'm sorry 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:09.839 over full demolition, right, if you're renovating your your old home, yes, 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.800 tearing it down starting over. The problem is is with 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.520 with being green. I'm making air quotes. It's gonna I'm 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.800 gonna do that every time I say that word. Okay, okay, 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:24.760 it's been so co opted. But being green is a 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.960 matter of details and context, right, right, So like recycling, 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.200 recycling is good, right, just just putting your bottles and 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.200 cans out by the curb. That's just a good idea, 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:39.520 isn't it not in every case? Buddy? Like what, Well, 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.680 wouldn't you be better off simply reusing a bottle rather 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.880 than throwing it out and and having it picked up 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.440 by what is actually a garbage truck, is just taking 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.640 it to a different place. Well yeah, I mean that's 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.120 and we mentioned this before. I can't remember which one 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:54.520 it was in, but we need to point out again 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.520 that's why the reduce, reuse, recycle, it's in an order 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.440 for a reason. Reduces the best thing you can do. 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:04.000 Don't even use that bottle, use your little aluminum bottle 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:07.320 to get your water. Fill it up with your little 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.360 filtered water at home, and just use that reuse if 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.560 you happen to have a bottle, and we do a 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.520 lot of this. Just keep filling that thing up, and 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:20.679 then at PCB and then at the very last resort 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.719 you can recycle. And if you're not doing any of 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.480 those three things, then you're just a jerk pretty much. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.800 That's what I say. Yeah, recycle, you're right there. I mean, 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.159 you gotta have those big trucks that smashing anything together 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.080 and deliver it to places and plants, and there's a 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:39.840 lot of a lot of greenhouse gases admitted when you 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.360 do that, there's a lot of waste, there's a lot 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.760 of fuel spent. Yes, and the recycling process the same. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:48.240 But recycling generally is good. The same thing can be 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:53.640 said for renovating. Renovating is generally better than demolition, but 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:55.719 it is on a case by case basis, and it 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:57.920 has to do with how you do it. There's actually, like, 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:02.640 you know, a green our way to to renovate. But 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:06.040 if you're looking at a house, an old house, and 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.160 you say, I'm either gonna tear this down or I'm 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.400 gonna totally remodel it, but I want to go green, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.240 which when should I do? The rule of thumb generally 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:19.720 is to renovate simply because it produces less less waste, yes, right, 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.440 and plus all the materials it takes to build something 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.320 from the ground up is obviously going to be more. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.120 Even if you took the house down to the foundation 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.680 and the studs, right, You're still gonna be saving on 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.760 the foundation and the studs as far as buying new 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.800 and manufacturing new materials. You've got a stat here, josh, 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.640 um about a hundred and thirty six million tons of 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:43.200 waste every year, which is about of what's filling up 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.960 our city dumps is construction, demolition waste. Now I have 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.560 something surprising for you. I have. I've got a little 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.280 surprised chuck. Oh good, that was two thousand seven, man, 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:56.240 what's it now in two ten if a hundred and 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.560 forty two million tons were generated, which they were, And 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:04.840 this is all construction and demolition, which includes highway construction 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:08.160 and repair, which accounts for a lot of it. Um, 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:12.440 guess how much is estimated to be recycled this year? 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.360 To be recycled, I don't know. Out of a hundred 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:23.920 forty two million tons recycled, that's fantastic. So a lot 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.880 of this is it's being diverted away from it. Right, 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.720 So there's success. Right. People are fine, are learning how 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.120 to do this, and that's a big part of it 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:37.600 is is not just um, not demolishing your house, but 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.440 even if you do demolish it, recycling the parts that 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:44.000 are demolished, reusing parts. Like you mentioned the Seattle based 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.560 store restore, they got one this here in Atlanta to 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.040 do they Yeah, it's great. Man. Is there a restore 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.360 store like officially restore? I think it's called a restore. 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:57.040 And Emily and I are renovating a house very slowly. Yeah. 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.240 I was gonna say, are you still doing that? When 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.880 I first met you, You're like, yeah, I renovate every weekend. Yeah, 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.880 that's not every weekend now, it's it's very slowly. What's 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:12.400 the last thing you did? Uh? We did some yards stuff, 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:17.240 yard stuff like fences and stairs and things like that. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.439 You're still squatting, huh. It's it's slow. Yeah, we're squatting. Um. 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.760 So far, so good. Um. But restore is awesome because 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.800 instead of going too like your big box retailer to 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.440 buy your new door, go to one of these restore 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.440 places and they'll have like sixty doors that have been 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:38.080 taken from houses and in great shape and maybe even 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.920 cooler and more you know, a period looking than than 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.400 the ones you can get at the big box place. 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:45.679 So and they have not only that, I mean it's 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.880 not just doors. They have like windows and window frames, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:50.719 they have would they have all kinds of things that 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.800 have been removed from houses for re sale. So that's 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.880 a very good way to go if you're restoring your home. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.000 It is and restore in any outfit like this. They 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.400 tend to be nonprofit, is right. They get their their 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:06.200 supplies by people bringing them in and selling them to them, 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.640 and then they mark it up YadA YadA, or else 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:12.720 they donate it and sell it. Right, it's donated to restore, 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:18.640 or at least in Seattle, Restore will actually undertake demolition projects, 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.880 so they'll charge you to demolish your house, but they 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.920 do it by hand. They keep the nails, like down 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:29.160 to the nails. Everything is recycled. Everything that could possibly 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.600 be recycled is recycled. One of the cool things is 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.960 um since they're nonprofit and since they're taking the stuff 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:40.280 that can be salvage to resell in their store, you 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.560 get a tax deduction. So it may be slightly more 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.640 than like what the guy with the bulldozers going to 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:51.200 charge you, But ultimately, with the tax deduction, it may 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.520 it may come out to be less and you get 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.640 that good conscience thing, good karma come in your way. Yeah, 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.880 well you mentioned the projects they do by hand. Um 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.000 the e p A rated four of these um from 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:05.480 restore and they rated between seventy and nine reuse ratings. 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.480 That's amazing reuse and one of the other big benefits 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:13.000 of um demolishing your house by hand. I mean it's slow, 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.400 it's way way slower, but um, you know, the trees 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:20.080 in your yard have roots, and a bulldozer with tracks, 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.280 even a bobcat can conceivably do it. Depending on how 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.439 shallow the roots system is. Running over it can kill 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.480 your tree. It's not good. It's a lot worse than 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.840 running over your foot. And you've all I've heard of 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.360 nightmares from friends of mine where you know, accidents happen 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.439 when you get those big machines in there, like oops, 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:41.559 I accidentally dug into your sewer line or oops, I 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.200 accidentally cracked your gas line. I mean, these things are 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:45.680 supposed to be well marked, but you got a hundred 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:47.600 in your house. You never know what's going on underground 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.720 and so and then once that happens, it's not only 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:52.920 more money, but it's not good for what's going on 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.640 in your environment local environment. If you are demolishing your 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.719 house and you are not paying to you resorted do it. 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.720 Let's say you're doing it yourself. You've got some time, 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.600 just feel like beating the tar out of some drywall 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.640 with a sledge hammer. Um, there is there. You can 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:14.560 put your stuff on Craigslist. Um. In addition to not 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.079 having to pay to dump it, people will actually at 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.280 the very least come take it away for free for 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.640 their own use. Yeah. Right, So you can say, hey, 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.840 I've got a really great door, here's a picture of it. 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.600 Who wants it? You can get away with getting rid 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:29.640 of anything on Craigslist and this is the free section. 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.719 Like troll it any day and you will see I've 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.719 got a pile of bricks. I got a pile of this, 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.600 And people will come and get it because they need 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.000 that pile of bricks, because bricks ain't cheap. That's right. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:42.840 And you might even be able to charge them if 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:46.520 you're a savvy demolisher for taking away your stuff. Yes, 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:48.800 there's also I wish I knew the name of the company, 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.080 but I saw one of the home rena shows a 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:55.680 few years ago. Right, what home reno show is that? Really? 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.920 Are you going like an abbreviated name basis home renovation 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:04.200 television program? Am Uh, This company will come out and 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.320 take all of your demolition let's say you are demolishing it. 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.839 They will take your demolition waste on site, put it 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:15.120 into this machine that pulverizes it into little bits of 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.760 nothingness and separates the nails at the same time, like 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.960 you see it shaking, the nails are coming out the side. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.680 And then what they do then is they've got like 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:28.480 half of your house and little pebble sized chunks, and 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.240 then they'll lay it under your driveway and then pave 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:34.760 on top of that. So right there, it's all on site, 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.880 and it's probably not the cheapest thing in the world, 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:39.760 but you get to have a clear conscience that you 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.800 didn't go to the city dump and put your house 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:46.400 on it. Essentially, this is what you're doing. We should 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.520 probably also say that if you are going to save 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.960 a few bucks, probably somewhere in the neighborhood of ten 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:55.120 grand and demolish your house yourself, Um, you should watch 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.199 some videos on it, talk to some people who have 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.480 done it before. It can actually be kind of dangerous. 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.679 You're deconstructing your house and it could fall on top 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.800 of you. Demolition is very dangerous. You need to know 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:07.319 what you're doing. You need to have the right gear. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.760 Don't be a dummy. Don't be a dummy. You want 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.760 to talk a little bit more about green building. Yeah, 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.680 So let's say you've gutted your house and you're in 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:19.360 the market to maybe make some greener improvements, right, right, 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.240 So let's talk green building. Dude. Well, there's green materials. 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.640 And you may not know this, but pretty much any 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.040 material that you need to build your house, you can 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.680 find a recycled version of that if you look hard enough. 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.400 So that's where you should start. Well, you're looking at well, 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.200 there's two different ways that something can come to be 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:42.920 recycled post industrial, so like um fly ash in your 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:47.040 concrete could be recycled. It could be captured from you know, 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:52.120 an industrial as industrial waste um and that's actually good. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:56.120 I think fly ashes is particularly bad to just bury. 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.880 It's good to use it up from what I understand, 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.480 Or it could be post in sumer, meaning like somebody 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:07.040 took their toilet paper roll, put it in the recycling stream, 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.840 and now it's part of your wood floor. Because that 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.240 does happen sometimes. The laminate floors you can get is 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.680 recycled things pressed together with a wood vineer on top. Right, 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:21.120 easy to install, cheap, cheap, cheap. Yes. And if you 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:26.280 have a playground, have you been to the Piedmont Park playground? No? 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.880 But does it have one of those rubber floors? It 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:32.440 is so much fun to walk on, Josh. Another thing too, 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.720 is you can they have this wood now quote unquote 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.160 wood that you can use for decking. That's not wood, 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:42.360 it's actually recycled bottles. Yeah, but it looks like wood 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:48.000 pet bottles, not glass bottles. Yeah. And then speaking of 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:52.000 quote unquote wood, bamboo flooring is huge. It's actually a 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.600 grass draw of bamboo. Is that it grows back in 0:15:55.640 --> 0:16:00.320 five to six years, like takes a twenty years, I 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.520 think to to mature filly again. You know you know 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.760 what that's called? Then a sustainable product. Really, that's what 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.680 sustainable means. I have not heard that phrase before. Uh, 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.440 you can recycle steel, you can melt it down, reform it, 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.720 reshape it. The World Trade Center was largely recycled. I 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.760 don't know if you knew that I did, And in fact, 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.200 there was a big breuhaha afterward because a lot of 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:25.080 the families of victims from the Twin Towers following said 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:29.000 that's evidence. You should study it. And then Bloomberg, who 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.760 was an engineer, another engineer, said, you know, it's should 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.640 be recycled. There's not a lot you can learn about 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.040 the structural integrity of the building from actually looking at 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.040 the collapse steel. You need to look at like computer 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.480 programs that show how it was built. So we appreciate 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.520 you saying that, but we're going to recycle it. Bloomberg 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.920 was an engineer. I don't know, I said that, so 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.080 I hope so I thought. I thought I read that 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.400 he was an engineer at one point. He's a sharp 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:56.560 attack maybe not. Cork floor is another um option if 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.240 you want to go green. Besides, it's sustainable as well. Yeah, 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:03.680 because bamboo a crly um. It's susceptible the spottiness from 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:08.320 exposure to UV well both oh corcus to corcus too. 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.040 But you need to know this going in. If you don't, uh, 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:14.800 if you live in a house where you have a 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.080 room that's not like the sun beating down on it 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.520 at all times. Maybe that's a good option. Like bathroom, Yeah, exactly, 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.480 the bathroom that's windowless. You know that doctor's office we 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.960 went to the day was bamboo before. Had you seen that? Unmistakable? 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:31.320 You can tell people you have grass floor, you can 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.280 you can tell people you have a grass floor. Bamboo 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:39.400 is grass? Yeah, okay, I don't. I don't know. Um. 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.960 Tankless water heaters obviously, I think we might have talked 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.119 about this before. Do you have one? Are you just 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.520 a fan? No, I'm just a fan. It's called on 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.760 demand heating. And the idea here is if you don't 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.480 know about these, is that your your water heater in 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.359 your basement. If it's a tank, water heater is just 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:57.480 a big tank full of water and it's always being 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.159 kept hot. So if if you need a shower or 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:01.840 it's gonna be hot. If you're out of town for 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:03.520 a week, you know, they say turn it down, but 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.040 if you don't, it's still gonna be eating that water 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:09.160 for nothing. On demand heating means they heat the water 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:14.040 at the source, then it flows into your faucet and 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.760 uh is hot upon demand instead of keeping it all 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.399 hot you can. You can have one for the whole house, 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.639 or if you just want to have one by like 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:24.520 just for your dishwasher, you can do that, have like 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.280 a smaller one, and they're a little bit more expensive, 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.240 but you get that money back. You'll save it eventually, 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.800 so they will pay for themselves. Yeah. Well, most of 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:32.959 the stuff like solar heating and all that kind of thing, 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:37.320 and wind energy, that's all. You know, there's a payoff eventually. 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:39.560 So you just gotta look at how long you're gonna 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.760 be living there, how much the investment is, what kind 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.560 of tax breaks you're gonna get, and figure out if 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.080 it makes sense for you, or if you've just got 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.200 the dough and you want to do a really green thing, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:56.040 then just do it anyway. That's what I say. Insulation, Yeah, 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.440 I like this one. Go ahead. Then, so you've got 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.200 I think heating and cooling is about thirty of your 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:07.280 the average bill, right, average utility. I don't know, while 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:11.240 insulation can save fifteen, right, but you're heating and cooling 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.879 is about thirty percent of like all the money you 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.480 put out a month on the utilities, So you proper 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:22.119 insulations save fift That not too shabby. The problem is 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:26.720 this fiberglass, and fiberglass can be well, not so good 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:30.680 for the lungs. This is a kid from Liby Owen's 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:35.240 corning Forward right down. They've gotten better with it, but 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:37.440 you still when you see the dudes come in, they've 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.960 got on like the hazmat suit, and you think, what 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.400 am I lining my home with? If these guys can't 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.760 touch it or breathe it, how about this line your 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:52.040 home instead with old jeans, old blue jeans and newspaper. Yeah, 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:54.920 it's pretty cool. And they spray this stuff in. They've 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.359 you ever seen it? I have, and it's fascinating it. 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.119 And not only that, so it's a double doozy. So 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.520 not only are you getting they say it rates better 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:07.840 as insulation, you're not using the harmful, potentially toxic fiberglass, 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.320 and you're taking all this newspaper and blue jeans and 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:13.800 saving it from the landfill. So it's like a triple 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:18.920 whammy right there. So what else do we have? Chuck? 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:24.200 You got countertops, recycled paper and glass, and aluminum concrete 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:26.439 is really popular these days. Don't forget to use that 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.560 post industrial fly ash concrete. That's right, But that's all 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.280 the rage very trendy, and of course the compact fluorescent 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:39.240 light bulb controversial. Yeah, it's it's become a source of um. Well, 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:44.679 it's become a poster boy for cynics of um the 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.320 ability of one person to make any kind of change 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.399 all they can you want to stat Yeah, well, a 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.000 lot of people don't use them because they complain that 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:58.320 it's not a warm uh bulb and it's very cold. Yeah, 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.439 they've gotten a little bit better, they've gotten warmer. But 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.719 let's say you're not a fan of it, don't necessarily 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:06.640 think that you have to go all or nothing. If 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.520 everyone in the country, if every household swapped out one 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.840 bulb in their home, that would save enough energy to 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:18.240 power three million homes for a year, prevent nine billion 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:21.440 pounds of greenhouse gasses, which is the equivalent of eight 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:25.440 hundred thousand cars running for a full year. If everyone 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:30.080 did one one one bulbs alright, not bad, and they 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:33.200 last a lot longer. They cost a little bit more, 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.720 but you save about forty dollars per bulb over its 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:40.640 lifetime because they last ten thousand hours compared to about 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:44.000 eight hundred two thousand hours. And like I said, if 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:47.800 you don't like the the white hue of the compact fluorescent. 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:49.800 Just put one in a place in your house that 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:52.240 you don't spend a ton of time in and pat 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:53.840 yourself on the back that you did a little bit 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:56.560 of good. Can you imagine being the poor sap West 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:00.200 to stand there in time the fluorescent bulb? See how 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:04.040 long it lasts? And for quality assurance, we're in a 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.399 lab coach just staring at your watch for ten thousand 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.760 straight hours? I wonder how ten hours? What does that 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.960 break down to? How many days is that? Several? Several days? 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:17.280 So that's all I got. It's greener to to renovate, 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:21.000 it seems, as a rule, but within that there are 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.680 things you can do to be even greener. Yeah, Or 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:25.239 if you're gonna build from the ground up, there are 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.720 ways to go about that to make it greener as well. 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:32.720 Because again, technically, if you demolish your house and recycle 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:36.879 all of it, yeah, or if or if you renovate 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:40.000 and don't recycle anything, demolishing was a better choice. There 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.560 was greener Chuck, what else you got? I got nothing? 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:48.160 I got nothing either. Um diverting waste of the landfill. Yeah, 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.040