WEBVTT - Ep. 276: Render - Bear Dens, Grapevines, Selling Squirrel Dogs

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Clay Nukeleman.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called

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<v Speaker 2>The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper,

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<v Speaker 2>and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>presented by f h F Gear, American made purpose built

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<v Speaker 2>hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged

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<v Speaker 2>as the place as we explore. All Right, I have

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<v Speaker 2>I have three major things I'd like to do before

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about Ostiola. It was the final Osceola Render,

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<v Speaker 2>which I really feel like we've done it. We've done

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<v Speaker 2>four Ostiola podcasts and they've all been to me really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting and I think to other people too. And as

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of fact, we may just turn the whole

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<v Speaker 2>bear Grease into Ostiola. I like it just just well,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say that that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Ossiola's life and legacy.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to get like silver plating on everything because

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<v Speaker 3>that he had over every silver What are those called gorgets?

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<v Speaker 2>Gorgets? Yeah, I didn't really even know what they were.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna end up talking about Ostiola. But I've

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<v Speaker 2>got three like very important things to talk about I have. First,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll start with a story. Then there's a sales question

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<v Speaker 2>that I'd like to present to the team. Sure, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but but first let me say or I want to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you a story. And I'm just dying to tell it.

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<v Speaker 2>The Arkansas Bear season last till November the thirtieth. On

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<v Speaker 2>November the twenty ninth, I had a a just like

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<v Speaker 2>a hankering intuition, just like an unquenchable desire to go

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<v Speaker 2>to a certain place. Just it just I just couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>make it go away, like for a week, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just thought about it being the last two days of

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<v Speaker 2>bear season.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a place that I bear hunt. But that

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<v Speaker 4>have you had that happen to me?

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<v Speaker 5>Before it happened, I tell you, And watching football on

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<v Speaker 5>a Saturday, interested in the games, and I just kept thinking,

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<v Speaker 5>I know those deer are in one particular place where

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<v Speaker 5>I hunt. And finally I just got up and went

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<v Speaker 5>down there, climbed in the tree, killed a deer, put

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<v Speaker 5>it in the truck, came home.

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<v Speaker 6>It was a long way the football game, yeah, back

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<v Speaker 6>in thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>I really, I think the older you get, the more

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<v Speaker 2>you recognize what is maybe just like a fleeting idea

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<v Speaker 2>versus something you really need to pay attention to. And man,

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<v Speaker 2>so I went down here, but specifically it wasn't as

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<v Speaker 2>much well it was as much the location as it

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<v Speaker 2>was the way I was going to get in there,

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<v Speaker 2>which will play into this story. Cash, have I introduced

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<v Speaker 2>my guests? You haven't yeh, Misty Newcombe, so great to

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<v Speaker 2>have you.

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<v Speaker 7>Good to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, my beloved neighbor and friend and the best pastured

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<v Speaker 2>poultry grower.

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<v Speaker 6>That thanksgiving me to phenomenal Yes.

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<v Speaker 7>Very good.

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<v Speaker 1>So Spences here, who has been a featured guest on

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<v Speaker 1>the Burgers podcast before on a soil podcast.

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<v Speaker 6>I believe that all of us have minus one.

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<v Speaker 2>Me and Spencer, both environmental, soil and science majors from

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<v Speaker 2>the first of Arkansas. Yeah, I call it an inch

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<v Speaker 2>deep and a mile wide.

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<v Speaker 6>But straight.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, One time Spence and Clay and our other neighbor

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<v Speaker 7>were digging a hole in our ground too. We were

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<v Speaker 7>cooking a hog under the ground and they were they

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<v Speaker 7>were digging the hole in the ground. This is a

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<v Speaker 7>funny three but y'all being in the same major and.

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<v Speaker 2>Not to lose the audience, but we're actually in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the bear story.

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<v Speaker 7>Go ahead, okay, well, this is a good story. Just

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<v Speaker 7>while we're internucing with people. You're we're roasting a pig

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<v Speaker 7>in the ground, and you two and our other neighbors

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<v Speaker 7>were all digging this hole, and Spin said something did

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<v Speaker 7>the effect of man, those crop, soil, environmental water science degrees,

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<v Speaker 7>It's sure are coming in handy right now, because y'all

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<v Speaker 7>were you digging in the soil. And our neighbor said,

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<v Speaker 7>who was a classical letters major whatever that means classical studies,

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<v Speaker 7>And he's like, well, turns out classical studies is also

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<v Speaker 7>coming in.

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<v Speaker 4>It's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It was funny, fun good throwback introductions in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the Bear story. Josh Bridge Spilmmaker, to see you, Bear,

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<v Speaker 2>John Nuclear, Great to see.

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<v Speaker 1>You, Gary Believer, Nukelem the Legend, Great to see you.

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<v Speaker 7>November twenty ninth, Clay got a hankering to go, ankoring.

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<v Speaker 2>To go, but it was it was a way to

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<v Speaker 2>get into the stot. Usually I stay up high on

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<v Speaker 2>the ridges to get in there. I wanted to stay

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<v Speaker 2>low in the in the in the hollers, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to stay. I just it didn't make sense,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's what I wanted to do. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>go into places like that, you never know what you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get into it could just be a terrible, like

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<v Speaker 2>disastrous hike. I got to where I park at four PM,

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<v Speaker 2>which is late. It gets dark at like five point thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just made up my mind that I was

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna it didn't matter if it took me, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>till I had to walk in the dark to get

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<v Speaker 2>back where I wanted a camp. I brought my camp

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and basically it was gonna hunt the final.

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<v Speaker 4>Day of the Arkansas bear season.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm I'm side hilling low in this drawl, and

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty minutes before dark, I'm on a super steep

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<v Speaker 2>part of the hill and I see a huge pile

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<v Speaker 2>of freshly excavated dirt, like.

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<v Speaker 1>So big that I immediately knew.

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<v Speaker 4>CO had been in there.

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<v Speaker 1>They putting in a water line to a subdivision.

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<v Speaker 4>No they I knew. I knew it was a bear.

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<v Speaker 6>And I saw like how big was this pilot?

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<v Speaker 1>It was like.

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<v Speaker 2>A truck hood and a half and it was on

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<v Speaker 2>a steep hillside.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's bear season.

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<v Speaker 2>It's illegal to kill a denned bear, so I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>like going to walk up and.

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<v Speaker 4>Shoot a bear if it was in there.

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<v Speaker 2>But I really wanted to see if one was in there,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh and I So anyway, I walked down there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean it was a nerve wracking moment because

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<v Speaker 2>it just kind of crept up there and had my

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<v Speaker 2>coon light with me, and I didn't initially pull it out,

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<v Speaker 2>but just peeked into that bear den, half expecting a

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<v Speaker 2>bear to shoot out of there or growl or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been on a lot of bear den studies and

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that you could actually walk up to a

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<v Speaker 2>bear den and a bear sometimes.

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<v Speaker 4>Won't even do anything. Sometimes they'll just stay in there

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<v Speaker 4>and kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of eyeball you. And anyway, I get up there, and

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<v Speaker 2>sure enough it's a bear den. It's a hole about

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<v Speaker 2>about as big as a fifty five gallon drum, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of an oval egg shaped right in.

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<v Speaker 6>This little widen out inside.

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<v Speaker 2>Inside it widened out both directions about probably I think

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<v Speaker 2>a six foot man could have laid down sideways in

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<v Speaker 2>the hole.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh my gosh, you know, maybe how far end did

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<v Speaker 6>it go?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably like further than I could reach with my arm,

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<v Speaker 2>but probably like three and a half.

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<v Speaker 4>Feet three feet.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was a big tressive yeah, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>no bear there. Well, I've got my camping stuff, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>So I go up on the heap in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet I go up on the hill and walk like

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<v Speaker 2>a quarter mile away and spend the night. And again

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<v Speaker 2>it's I feel like, I'm not going to shoot a

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<v Speaker 2>bear in the den. This bear's not den, he's still

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<v Speaker 2>roaming around. He's just dug his den. But I knew

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<v Speaker 2>that that bear was close. I really felt like that

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<v Speaker 2>bear was within three hundred yards of that den. I

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<v Speaker 2>came in there in the morning at daylight. The wind

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<v Speaker 2>was blowing up the valley or up the hill all day.

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<v Speaker 4>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really understand the thermals on it. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was just a prevailing wind. But it blew in

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<v Speaker 2>my face all day, blowing my scent straight up the mountain.

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<v Speaker 2>And I crept within forty five yards of that den

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<v Speaker 2>and just sat there, set there all day, set there

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<v Speaker 2>from basically seven am until.

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<v Speaker 1>Four oh six. I decided it gets dark.

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<v Speaker 2>I five thirty decided to walk out of there, went

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<v Speaker 2>over there and hung a camera, a multi truck camera

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<v Speaker 2>just like that right there, and hung it up in

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<v Speaker 2>a tree.

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<v Speaker 1>Bear so that I knew. I almost brought a bear box.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of my cameras this year have been slapped by bears,

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<v Speaker 2>even in bear boxes, and they slide around. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I've spent a ton of time going into real backwoods

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<v Speaker 2>places putting up cameras, and within within both of them

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<v Speaker 2>within twenty four hours, a bear moved the camera, pointing

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<v Speaker 2>in an irrelevant direction. So here I am, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out how I'm gonna use this unbear

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<v Speaker 2>boxed camera and not the bear not tear it up.

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<v Speaker 2>And I shimmy up a little tree about four inches

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<v Speaker 2>in diameter and hang this cameras on a steep slope,

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<v Speaker 2>so the camera is like eight or nine feet off

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<v Speaker 2>the ground, but pointing right into the den. And four

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<v Speaker 2>oh six I head out of there and hunt my

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<v Speaker 2>way back to the truck. Before I get back to

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<v Speaker 2>the truck, that camera has a picture of a bear

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<v Speaker 2>coming in there.

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<v Speaker 4>And he was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a color phase bear, it was. And when

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<v Speaker 2>he came in, he was trailing me like a hound.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was just tracing every step I made.

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<v Speaker 2>I was really surprised he came in after what I smelled.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Oh, let's tell him what bear I texted

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<v Speaker 2>you that night I had good sale coverage in there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I texted you and I said, bear, I found

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<v Speaker 2>a bear den.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you said, well, I asked if you were going

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<v Speaker 8>to sit there the next day, and you said you

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<v Speaker 8>couldn't tell me because the bear might hear you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>And I was, you know, two hours away, and we

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<v Speaker 8>were so there's phone.

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<v Speaker 7>So not only could hear him that he can intercept

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<v Speaker 7>text messages.

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<v Speaker 6>Location.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I first learned about this, oh no, from the

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<v Speaker 2>co Yukon people in Alaska who there. They have very

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<v Speaker 2>many bear hunting taboos, and one of them is to

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<v Speaker 2>vocalize your plans about bear hunting because the bear will

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<v Speaker 2>hear you. So so if we were going bear hunting

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<v Speaker 2>dad tomorrow, I would go, hey, Dad, I'd say we

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<v Speaker 2>ought to walk around you know, Miller Mountain tomorrow and

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<v Speaker 2>just see what we could find. Or or if we

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<v Speaker 2>knew right where a bear was, we wouldn't directly address

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<v Speaker 2>that we were going bear hunting.

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<v Speaker 4>It would be much more cryptic.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying I believe that, but you still

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<v Speaker 1>that it's worth a shot.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to start when when coons are hauling my

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<v Speaker 3>layers out, I'm going to start taking that tactic footholds.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, just don't ask me.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't ask, don't tell.

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<v Speaker 6>That's something different.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's our bear hunting philosophy. Now, it's like, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to go, just come on. Let's we just

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<v Speaker 2>can't discuss it. I mean, I'm doing all this a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of research on bears and I'm serious.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I'm like kind of paranoid about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, it was a really uniqu and I've never

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<v Speaker 2>found an active bear den other than going on den

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<v Speaker 2>studies with game and fish where they have collared bears

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<v Speaker 2>and they know where they're at.

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<v Speaker 4>But it was really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's perhaps the most interesting part of the story,

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<v Speaker 2>Miss Nukem, is I had to drive on a small

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<v Speaker 2>road to get back into where I parked and open road,

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<v Speaker 2>and I came out of there in the dark, and

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<v Speaker 2>I drove thirty five miles on a major highway in

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<v Speaker 2>Arkansas and pulled into a Harp's grocery store to get

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<v Speaker 2>some food before I drove on home.

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<v Speaker 4>And I want to show you what was.

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<v Speaker 2>Well when I when I get to when I get

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<v Speaker 2>to the grocery store, I have no less than a

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<v Speaker 2>forty foot fine hanging.

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<v Speaker 1>Off at the back of my marching feet, Dad, did

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<v Speaker 1>we measures it?

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<v Speaker 6>Measured it?

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<v Speaker 4>I want to show it to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Are we talking great? Talking green Brier Wi? Are we

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<v Speaker 3>talking poison ivy?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah? Have we made sure Gary? This is poison not

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<v Speaker 6>poison ivy? Hold that camera when he comes in, boy,

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<v Speaker 6>musket as could be. Are you kidding me? Great? Good night?

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<v Speaker 4>Son?

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<v Speaker 3>Holy, that's a wild great yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Hold on, put your headphones on. Guy.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I when I got to Harp's Misty, that vine,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know is as big as my thumb down

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<v Speaker 2>on the end right there. Look that grape vine was

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<v Speaker 2>hanging off of my truck and I was stretched out

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<v Speaker 2>or was it stretched out in a straight line, hanging

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<v Speaker 2>off of the back of my bumper?

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<v Speaker 6>And clay, there's red paint all over there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was driving fast and I passed multiple people

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<v Speaker 2>on a two lane highway with that right there. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really know what to make of it. But well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's the squirrel dogs.

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<v Speaker 4>You might be a redneck. You might be ready.

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<v Speaker 1>If you did you keep it?

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<v Speaker 7>Did you pass people?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I passed people. No one I had got no

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<v Speaker 2>I mean maybe nobody could one.

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<v Speaker 1>Whipping people?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like a jellyfish with the Corolla stuck in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 7>I was on a work trip recently in the Pacific

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<v Speaker 7>Northwest and we got a rental car and someone didn't

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<v Speaker 7>latch the trunk very well when we put all of

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<v Speaker 7>our bags in the trunk. As we pulled out, I

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<v Speaker 7>went probably within about ten feet of pulling out of

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<v Speaker 7>the rental car place onto the main Yeah, the airport

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<v Speaker 7>main road. Are the trunk flies open and we couldn't stop.

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<v Speaker 7>So we waited like a quarter of a mile to

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<v Speaker 7>stop because that was the first pull off in that

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<v Speaker 7>quarter of a mile. People were honking. We had very

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<v Speaker 7>enthusiastic waving of the hands. I bet, I bet no

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<v Speaker 7>less than six people made big scene about your doors open.

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<v Speaker 7>As if we wouldn't have known that. I would have

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<v Speaker 7>thought that somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was it was dark, and uh, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think. I think maybe fast.

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<v Speaker 1>People couldn't catch up with you.

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<v Speaker 7>Doing damage to their cars.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I would have honked.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you get some like Instagram messages and people.

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<v Speaker 2>Like somebody will send me a video of me driving

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<v Speaker 2>down the road.

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<v Speaker 6>It could be on Channel five news.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, I gotta get this out here, so that

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of the epilogue of the bear story. The

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<v Speaker 2>good news is, I've got a camera on that bear den.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really interested to see what happens that. So the

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<v Speaker 2>bear that came in right after I was there, like

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<v Speaker 2>within an hour, and I'm gonna I'm gonna post those

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<v Speaker 2>videos on my Instagram. He he trailed me like a

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<v Speaker 2>hound and then and then spooked. I mean when he

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<v Speaker 2>ran off, he was like he was just he was

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<v Speaker 2>just spooked. The next day, twenty four hours later, a

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<v Speaker 2>different bear came into that bear den.

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<v Speaker 7>Did it go in?

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't tell, like the the you know in the video, No,

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<v Speaker 2>but the bear would have been longer there. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the video didn't didn't just capture.

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<v Speaker 4>The whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But but that bear smelled me twenty four hours later,

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<v Speaker 2>trailing me like a hound. It was just like super spooky.

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<v Speaker 2>And when it left it like, you know, like a

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<v Speaker 2>scalded dog. Just kind of like that they are. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>telling you that's the reason I don't even text my

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<v Speaker 2>bear hunting plans. I I've got another story like that

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<v Speaker 2>this year. You know, every every time I put up

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<v Speaker 2>a camera, bears knocked it off. I went into this saddle,

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<v Speaker 2>put up, a camera, walked through the saddle. Like eight

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<v Speaker 2>hours later, a bear comes through with his nose on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground trail in my every step, looks at the camera,

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<v Speaker 2>comes over, knocks it off.

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<v Speaker 4>Really yeah, they're they're they know that you're watching them.

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<v Speaker 4>They are on to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you post you post this stuff on Instagram though, right,

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<v Speaker 3>like the bear den and all that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but you won't text it or tell anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's mainly hunting plans and and I'm not. I'm not,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm no longer hunting.

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<v Speaker 6>There might be a little incregruity there.

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<v Speaker 2>True, Well, I'm no longer hunting the okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the season's over. Okay, So I have before me.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a banker, I've got a young entrepreneur. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got an old entreprene to her.

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<v Speaker 9>Former failed We were thinking we weren't going to say,

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<v Speaker 9>I've got a successful entrepreneur and another successful entrepreneur.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, pet owner and a pet owner. I've got I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a question needs some serious input.

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<v Speaker 6>So we have.

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<v Speaker 2>We have three fists right now, and and the best one,

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<v Speaker 2>like by far, is that the whole.

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<v Speaker 6>Family agree that she's by far the best.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's squirrel hunting.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, well we don't know yet because those ages went

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<v Speaker 8>with her and was you know, Okay, if you ask

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<v Speaker 8>me the family front.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I have strong opinions about the qualities of our world.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>At the moment, yeah, like right in the future.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're not talking about potential okay, okay, yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about like today and anyway, tests beautiful dog, brindle backed, whitefooted,

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<v Speaker 2>flashy feist. She's five years old and Bear is raising

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<v Speaker 2>up right now, a young feist that's like eight and

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<v Speaker 2>a half months old that's doing really good.

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<v Speaker 1>And Tess is like Tesso.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say this amongst the company of people that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm around, who Michael Lanear is my Jedi master squirrel

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<v Speaker 2>mentor right, And I mean Michael l Near just knows

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<v Speaker 2>what he's talking about. Okay, I would say this to Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a fair chance Michael will hear this when I

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<v Speaker 2>take Tess hunting. And I'm not a squirrel squirrelog expert.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not, but I've hunted with quite a few people

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't. Tess is rarely outdone by another dog,

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<v Speaker 2>Like when you hunt all day, when you're like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we you know, everybody's kind of keeping track. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>vocalizing it, but you're kind of like in your head

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<v Speaker 2>keeping track of we killed this many squirrels over that dog,

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<v Speaker 2>and this many over that dog. She's a finished good

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<v Speaker 2>squirrel dog. I mean, you could turn her out today

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere in the country where there's gray or fock squirrels,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna kill a bunch of squirrels.

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<v Speaker 1>Pleasure to hunt.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a lot of hype. Is this leading somewhere?

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<v Speaker 2>I think we should sell her, Oh, because she's good,

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<v Speaker 2>because we got this young dog dad that we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>want to start hunting, and it's kind of counterproductive to hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>It may not seem like it, but when you got

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<v Speaker 2>your good dog and you got a young dog, that

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<v Speaker 2>good dog can sometimes just like smother out the young dog.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be better probably just just to hunt this young dog.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't want Tess and the prime of her

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<v Speaker 2>life to stay in that pen. And I think somebody

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<v Speaker 2>that was getting into squirrel hunting or just wanted another

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<v Speaker 2>I would say three years of really good hunting and

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<v Speaker 2>really five view. I think she'll hunt till she's ten.

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<v Speaker 2>No guarantees it's live animal folks. But every day she's

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<v Speaker 2>still worth money. She's worth something right now. And uh, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>should I sell her dad.

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<v Speaker 4>For two fifty I'd sell her yeah, or fifty fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>We bought her for more than that.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm kidding.

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<v Speaker 5>If she's as good as you're saying, I mean, she's

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<v Speaker 5>worth a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, where are you thinking price wise? Well, minimum bid?

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<v Speaker 3>Where would the minimum bid start? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, this we can't do this yet, can't Okay, maybe later.

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<v Speaker 4>We have even decided we can't do this yet, but

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<v Speaker 4>let me it works.

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<v Speaker 6>She's right outside here, so she could hear.

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<v Speaker 7>She could hear.

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<v Speaker 2>I can hear when you talk about him, though it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like a beang what coon dogs can.

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<v Speaker 8>Because you said you wouldn't say something in front of Jedi.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't say that he wasn't good to his face. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>to his face.

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<v Speaker 2>But test might hear us and well, but but see,

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<v Speaker 2>tests might even do better with somebody else.

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<v Speaker 6>Because she's gonna getlised. It's a complicated system.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think we should sell the dog? Me and

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<v Speaker 1>your joint owners in this dog?

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<v Speaker 8>Essentially undecided because she is a really good dog. But

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<v Speaker 8>O Sage is looking very promising, and it would be

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<v Speaker 8>you know, disappointing just for her to sit in the

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<v Speaker 8>pen during her prime, just because you know we're only hunting.

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<v Speaker 1>O Sage. I'm undecided. I need to think on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay a little more, Josh out of here, Feller Seller.

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<v Speaker 6>Yep. So she's a tool. She's a machine.

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<v Speaker 1>She is. She is not much of a pet. She's

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<v Speaker 1>actually a terrible.

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<v Speaker 6>She's so driven.

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<v Speaker 2>She's These other dogs run loose and we treat them

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<v Speaker 2>like pets.

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<v Speaker 4>They come in our house and.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, listen, we've had dogs. We've had dogs for years.

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<v Speaker 6>We've got two dogs right now that are like part

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<v Speaker 6>of the family. We had a dog for ten years

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<v Speaker 6>before that, a German shepherd that we bought for a pet.

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<v Speaker 6>But he was so driven just to chase and play

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<v Speaker 6>fetch that he wasn't a fun like yeah, gus, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>it wasn't a good.

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<v Speaker 1>Pet a pet with but is so driven.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. So, I mean he would have been great as

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<v Speaker 6>a shepherd. You know, he he knew his his call. So,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, Tess knows what she's doing. But she's she's

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<v Speaker 6>a tool. She's a hunting tool.

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<v Speaker 3>Spence, I mean redundancy, Well, this other one isn't a

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<v Speaker 3>sure thing, right.

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<v Speaker 4>It's true, true, So, I mean in the hand, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like having two Baylors. One goes down, you got

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<v Speaker 3>another one back.

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<v Speaker 6>Baylor.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I wonder why you can't hunt.

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<v Speaker 5>You could hunt two dogs together bird dogs, sure, I

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<v Speaker 5>mean you like two good bird dogs after.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, Yeah, oh, you absolutely could hunt both of them.

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<v Speaker 2>But a squirrel hunting, it's kind of a limiting factor

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<v Speaker 2>of how many trees you can go to in an afternoon,

0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 2>like bear hunted tests and osage the other day.

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<v Speaker 8>And I mean we were always going to a tree,

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<v Speaker 8>sometimes even two trees at the same time, and it

0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:13.920
<v Speaker 8>would take us too long to get there, and the

0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:15.919
<v Speaker 8>squirrels would be in a whole or something.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, So it's just I don't know, it's just

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<v Speaker 4>better to hunt like one dog.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, could you guys not split up and double your

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<v Speaker 3>squirrel efficiency?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, social event, but that's why you know you're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of there to have fun together, Misty.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, so I have I'm very involved in the squirrel

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<v Speaker 7>dog Yeah, the squirrel dog system here at the New

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<v Speaker 7>co and Farm, and we have three and I have

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<v Speaker 7>a ranking scale for them. But there's sociability and then

0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 7>there's squirrel You know, productivity, How good are you at

0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:54.520
<v Speaker 7>squirrel hunting? And I think that these are two scales

0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 7>that have an inverse relationship. So the better you are

0:24:57.040 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 7>at squirrel hunting, the less social. So let's let's start

0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 7>with everyone's favorite squirrel dog except for Clay, Tim Tim

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 7>to squirreld dog. That guy is practically human, you know,

0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:13.439
<v Speaker 7>he the kids we had Tim. We got Tim and

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:16.239
<v Speaker 7>test right in twenty nineteen, and so when we were

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.400
<v Speaker 7>all quarantined together at the house in twenty twenty, Tim

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 7>he wants to He gets energized by anything that excites you.

0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:25.920
<v Speaker 7>So we taught Tim to play to the harmonical or

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.000
<v Speaker 7>sing to the harmonica. And when he sings, it's not

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 7>like he barks. It's like he sings.

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 1>He's on pitch. I mean, it's beautiful melody. Yeah, better

0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 1>than me.

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:38.000
<v Speaker 7>It's almost as if this was what he was born

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 7>to do. When you get the harmonica out, he gets

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 7>excited and he gets his heart and soul in it.

0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 7>I mean he doesn't, he doesn't. He doesn't even pretend

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 7>like this is not the most important thing.

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:48.320
<v Speaker 6>That assumes that a dog has a soul.

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 7>Okay, So moving right along Tim. Bear taught Tim to

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:58.400
<v Speaker 7>respond to a toaster oven when in twenty twenty, when

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:00.920
<v Speaker 7>we were all home, Bear decide.

0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:03.560
<v Speaker 6>He saw how easy straight you put it in.

0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 4>Off.

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:09.120
<v Speaker 7>So Bear realized that Tim just was interested in doing

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.160
<v Speaker 7>whatever we wanted to do. And so Bear said, hey, y'all,

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:13.720
<v Speaker 7>whenever I'm going to start toasting these waffles, and whenever

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.320
<v Speaker 7>I toast them, everyone when it pops up, everyone make

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:17.919
<v Speaker 7>a big deal. Let's see if we can get Tim.

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:19.440
<v Speaker 6>To do so it's a bright spot during the panel.

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:22.200
<v Speaker 7>It was this is what we did, and we're all

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.919
<v Speaker 7>quarty together. And so Tim would see us react and

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 7>he would just bark, and he would get excited and

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:29.680
<v Speaker 7>he'd go sit there and we would all celebrate them

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 7>and talk about what a good dog he was. The

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:33.359
<v Speaker 7>other day, I put a piece of toast in the

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 7>in the toaster, and I'm home by myself, and I'm

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:38.240
<v Speaker 7>working downstairs, and it goes off, and I don't think

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 7>anything about it except that Tim is upstairs, and when

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 7>he hears that toaster oven go off. Four years later,

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.280
<v Speaker 7>he freaks out and just comes to running down the stairs,

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:49.360
<v Speaker 7>howling and barking, and goes right to the closet where

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.920
<v Speaker 7>we keep it, I mean just with nuts on it.

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 1>So Tim, so she would sell tests.

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 7>Tim cannot be given away test. She is a good dog.

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:02.920
<v Speaker 7>She really is a good but and she's not obnoxious,

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:04.680
<v Speaker 7>like she'll stop barking when you ask her to when

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 7>place it's hush, she'll stop. She's really obed that probably

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 7>like gives tests Like that's that's too confusing for her.

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:16.040
<v Speaker 7>She's a good dog, but she just doesn't you know,

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:17.879
<v Speaker 7>she comes in the house and she wants in your trash.

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:21.439
<v Speaker 7>She you you bring a cat home, and she trees it.

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 7>You know, like she just she is interesting. Yeah, she's

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:26.240
<v Speaker 7>a machine. She's she's not a she's not a friend.

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:28.560
<v Speaker 7>I think O Sage is right in between the two.

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:32.120
<v Speaker 7>She's she has actually got the best. She's not as

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:33.960
<v Speaker 7>easily trained as Tim. I try to get her to

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 7>sing to harmonica.

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 4>So she always sell tests.

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 7>I don't like this question. I don't want to.

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't.

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 6>I don't know. That was a long monologue to like

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:44.919
<v Speaker 6>take some neutral position.

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 7>Well, I mean she's a good girl.

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:49.359
<v Speaker 3>You know, chicken, she got your broilers, she got your

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 3>meat birds, she got your layers. And then the then

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 3>people try to always sell you on these dual purposes

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 3>and it never works out. So like hearing now that

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:00.879
<v Speaker 3>you got kind of a dual purpose. And they're pretty

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 3>and they're nice and they're fun, but what's going to

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 3>put squirrels in the pots?

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 6>I would I'd lean hard now.

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:09.879
<v Speaker 1>On keeping her, on keeping her, Yeah, keeping her?

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:10.120
<v Speaker 10>Wow?

0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Wow, you know the price just went up.

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 6>A double minded squirrell dog is unstable and.

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:21.720
<v Speaker 7>A single minded he's not getting squirrell.

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm considering selling the dog.

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 1>That's all, so appreciate it.

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:30.159
<v Speaker 6>So our opinion meant nothing?

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 4>Well it did it?

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 6>Did?

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm just I'm thinking about it.

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 6>So do we have a price now? Well?

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 7>I want to bring in some inside family business that

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 7>I probably shouldn't err on the podcast. I think this

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 7>tendency when you have something really good that you know

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 7>is super valuable to want to sell it, well, I

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 7>think it has intergenerational.

0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 1>That's happened zero times in my life.

0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 2>All Right, No, Tess is worth right now, she's she's

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 2>she's worth something, and soon she won't be. I mean, like,

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 2>people probably aren't going to pay much for a seven

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 2>year old dog that just doesn't have a lot of

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 2>hunting time left.

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 1>But so you know, she's's kind of at that. She's

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 1>definitely older.

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean like if you were if you were wanting

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 2>to buy a dog, you'd be hoping to buy two

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 2>three year old dogs.

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>So she's five and that's that's the thing.

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 3>And your tax return, she's depreciated.

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, great, dad, You just bought a Bronco I did.

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four.

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 4>Tell us about it. Well, it's just a you know,

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 4>it's a it's a.

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 6>Club. Did you have one of the old Broncos?

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 4>Noweep I ran with. We were jeeping guys.

0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 5>And if you came and tried to ride with us

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 5>and you you didn't have a jeep, we would just

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 5>kind of giggle under our breath, except when a Bronco

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 5>pulled up.

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 4>Now they could run with the jeeps.

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 5>But if you had I'm not gonna mention the brands,

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 5>But when you came with something other than a jeep

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 5>Ford Taurus, yeah, you know, you just really good off

0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 5>road rigs.

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 4>People we see them all the time, but they just

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't run away. We were running. But the Broncos good.

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 4>And this is this is a city boy rig.

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 5>You know, I got my golf clubs in there, and

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 5>I'm not gonna take it off road. It's got a

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 5>plastic bumper in the plastic front. But if you just

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:40.160
<v Speaker 5>cruise roads and climb hill, I mean, you know, it's

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 5>it's pretty capable.

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 6>Man.

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 5>It's it's locked front and back. Yeah, it's got all

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 5>the off road stuff on it. It's it's got what's

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 5>called the sasquash package, so it you know, it sets

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 5>up high thirty five inch tires or got thirty five

0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 5>in right at thirty five?

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Has it got a a what I call a vine

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 2>catcher bumper like.

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 4>White light and no, no, it passes.

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 6>We'll have to get you one of those. Yeah. Can

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 6>it make it up my driveway?

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 4>I doubt it.

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Uh Josh, let's

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 2>let's let's let's do our osilo quiz.

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 6>Okay, let's Gary, can you grab those? We got our

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 6>marker boards here. Okay, we're gonna pass them out.

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 7>We all know he's probably gonna win this one.

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 6>Everybody, everybody study up the cards we got I don't

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 6>need we gotta.

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 2>All right, So this is this is our fourth episode

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 2>on Ostola and the title was exhuoming Osiola's Grave and uh,

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 2>just a just a little backstory on the on the sequence.

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>So the first episode was about Oola's childhood, which was

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 2>really interesting and talked a lot about the Seminoles. The

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 2>second episode was the war years of Ossiola's life when

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 2>he fought in the Seminole wars. Fascinating. The third episode

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 2>was Ossiola's death, which was fascinating. Fourth episode, the epiloguist

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 2>doctor Wickman called it is the exhuming of Osiola's grave.

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 2>So I don't think there's anywhere on the internet that

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 2>you could go to learn more about Osciola in four hours.

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Negative, no way, nothing, no way zero.

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 6>The lady you had on there was like incredible.

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 1>She's incredible, she is. And I talked to her this week.

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I called her.

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 2>She hadn't heard any of the episodes. She didn't know,

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, she she wasn't up on podcasts.

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:47.479
<v Speaker 1>She's like, well, how where do you watch it?

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:47.720
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 1>And uh, and she she.

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Was like, you know, after you left the other day,

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 2>I thought of so many things that we missed, you know,

0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 2>that we could have talked.

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:00.960
<v Speaker 6>About that you didn't cover in the five hours. Yeah, yeah.

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh and and and I was, Yeah, I was.

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 2>It was one of the longest and best interviews I've

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>ever done on Bear Grease with someone just passionate and knowledge.

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:13.959
<v Speaker 2>I just went on and on about how good she was.

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:16.720
<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, we're.

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Gonna okay, here, we're gonna do a quiz. Here we go,

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 1>So write down your answer, Spence.

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:24.040
<v Speaker 6>Okay, So we're gonna start here. We've got one, two, three, four,

0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 6>seven questions Okay, yep, and some of them are are

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 6>not just based on fact, their conceptual questions. So prepare

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 6>short answer. Okay, This first one, according to Seminole tradition,

0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 6>warriors buried facing east because this when the sun comes up.

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 6>What does he use to transition to walk into the afterlife? Wow?

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 4>Good question, Josh.

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 6>Anybody remember that one? It was in the very opening

0:33:56.800 --> 0:33:58.480
<v Speaker 6>section doctor Workman.

0:33:58.160 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 4>Talking about.

0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Looks like some people may not have been listening.

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.840
<v Speaker 6>Shoot, okay, everybody have their answers.

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Now, I'm I'm plain, but I don't really can't like

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 1>I can't.

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 6>We're gonna start with Bear Bear what.

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Had to guess it'd be the ocean?

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 6>Okay, Gary, what's yours? Broncos Misty his right leg and Spence,

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 6>I got nothing, Okay, Turkey tracks the The correct answer

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 6>is when just as the sun's see you threw me

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 6>off with his just as the sun's coming up, you

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:45.400
<v Speaker 6>can see the milky way, and that's uh, that's what

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:47.399
<v Speaker 6>he uses to transition. I was looking at the joke

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 6>or the other. Okay, here's another another question that was used.

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:54.239
<v Speaker 6>Hopefully somebody can get this one. It was mentioned in

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 6>there when when when the the soldiers were taking a

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.560
<v Speaker 6>seola to bury him. What was the name of the

0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 6>type of coffin that Ossola was buried in? I remember that.

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 6>Come on, guys, I'll give you a hint. The first

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 6>word of the coffin relates to a part of your body.

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 6>I think I know this one. I got it.

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:25.239
<v Speaker 4>You got it, at least I got part of it.

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 6>Okay, everybody got their answer.

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Bear ahead coffin, He wouldn't.

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 4>Gary toe coffin? Okay, toe coffin.

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 6>Misty bronco toepint. Answer is tow pincher. You got one one,

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 6>mister Spencer has one. Gary, you get point five for

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 6>that one. How about we do point four? Okay? Third question,

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:02.760
<v Speaker 6>what year was Ossiola's grave exemed? That was mentioned many

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 6>times everybody, Oh, can we get it in the decade?

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 6>Oh no, I would like the exact year. I didn't

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 6>put an actual date on there, just a year. I

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:14.839
<v Speaker 6>don't think you mentioned the Actually, no, we didn't. We

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 6>didn't say the actual the actual date. Okay, bear, I.

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Should quit going first. I'd say nineteen seventy three.

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:26.120
<v Speaker 4>Gary sixty seven.

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:32.799
<v Speaker 6>Okay, Misty sixty three, sixty five, nineteen sixty seven is

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:33.440
<v Speaker 6>the answer with.

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 1>What were you doing in nineteen sixty seven?

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 6>I was just.

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Digging up grade. First year in college, first year at college.

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Really when graduating sixty six?

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:46.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:49.320
<v Speaker 6>When were you in the army sixty.

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.839
<v Speaker 4>Nine, sixty eight? I think?

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 5>So you went to college one year, one year. I

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:03.560
<v Speaker 5>graduated sixty six, college one year, and we go, we're

0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:07.239
<v Speaker 5>gonna flunk out, Let's go to Let's go to the

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:09.800
<v Speaker 5>army and fight for a country.

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 4>That's what we did now, me and my buddy.

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Realistically, though the Vietnam War was boiling. Yeah, and you

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 2>knew that you were going to be drafted. Tell me

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 2>that story.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, my Actually the real story is my dad looked

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 5>at me one day and he said, I don't think

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 5>you're gonna make it in college boys really, and I go,

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:37.600
<v Speaker 5>I think you're probably right, daddy. I think I'll join

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 5>the army. No, no, he was real nice. So I

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 5>got my buddy, Jimmy Sears, and I go, Jimmy, it's

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 5>time we make a move brother, and he went with

0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 5>me and we stayed together for three years. And then

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 5>about a month after we went in, eight of our

0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 5>other buddies could have been six, but I think eight

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 5>of them all decided, hey, that's a pretty good idea.

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:05.040
<v Speaker 4>So out of Hot Springs, you know, there's like ten

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 4>guys that.

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<v Speaker 6>A volunteer to go to Vietnam.

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, we didn't volunteer to go to Vietnam.

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:15.320
<v Speaker 6>Well, you joined the army went to Europe.

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 4>Well, no, we went to Europe.

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:20.759
<v Speaker 5>You know, we signed up an extra year to get

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 5>the schooling that we wanted, and we said we'd like

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 5>to be postal clerks. Seem pretty safe, yep. Yeah, And anyway,

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 5>but you were in Vietnam. Yeah, so I go to

0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 5>Europe as a postal clerk. Actually I wanted in finance,

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:41.239
<v Speaker 5>but they made me go to postal. So I'm in

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 5>Europe for fifteen months. We're traveling, you know, we're seeing Europe.

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 4>Man. This is like a party deal going on.

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 5>And all of a sudden we get this little letter

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:52.359
<v Speaker 5>that says, come on boys, we're going to the other

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 5>side of.

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:56.320
<v Speaker 4>The world, to Vietnam. So how long are we in Vietnam?

0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:56.840
<v Speaker 6>A year?

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<v Speaker 3>A year in Vietnam? Okay, I did a year in Iraq.

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.680
<v Speaker 3>My story is almost the same. Dropped out of college

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 3>playing a punk band, September eleventh, joined the army.

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:11.880
<v Speaker 6>You're in Iraq? Wow, graduated U of A when I

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 6>got back, so nice.

0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:15.319
<v Speaker 4>It is a lot like that. And then here here

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 4>you are.

0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 6>And being a banker and a farmer's pretty much the

0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 6>same thing. I'm I'm excited about the future.

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:24.920
<v Speaker 7>I would like to hear Gary Gary Newcomb's punk record,

0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 7>punk album.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah right. Questions Okay, what was the name of the

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:38.320
<v Speaker 6>man who vandalized the grave of Osceola in nineteen sixty six?

0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:43.800
<v Speaker 6>Last name? I will I will take last name.

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:49.800
<v Speaker 1>As a correct because his family name was Shame.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh I remember, I remember? Oh, dang it. I was

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 6>going to make a joke. Okay, we're going to start

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:59.800
<v Speaker 6>with the doctor Misty Newcomb.

0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 7>I may not have gotten to that point of the

0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:07.879
<v Speaker 7>podcast because I did talk about this an awful lot

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 7>before and bad guy.

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 6>Bad guys Okay, bad guy Spencer Shriver Okay, Schneider, Schneider, Schneider.

0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 6>I remembered it, but by drivers his name Driver?

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<v Speaker 1>Could I get like point two for that?

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.439
<v Speaker 6>One point two gets point?

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:39.799
<v Speaker 4>Do I get anything.

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 7>One that I would like to get it for the sixties?

0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 6>Next question? It's another name. The next question is another.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me stop for a minute, though, ODIs Driver was

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:58.840
<v Speaker 2>the reason that Osciola's grave was exist.

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 10>Yes, you because he stolen He claimed to stole his

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.799
<v Speaker 10>bones and actually went to Fort Moultrie, broke in there

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 10>and dug down into the grave.

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 2>And uh, Misty was telling me that she brought up

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:17.799
<v Speaker 2>the comedy skit about the people digging holes? Was it

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Nate Barghetsi, Yeah, who's like, Who's like? You know, you

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 2>always hear about people murdering people and digging like shallow graves.

0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:29.680
<v Speaker 7>You were talking about how hard landscaping was his life.

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 7>His wife wanted to plant some and he was like,

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 7>you know, people murder someone and you hear him getting

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 7>caught because they didn't bury it deep enough. It's literally

0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:38.360
<v Speaker 7>the most important hole you ever dig in.

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:39.120
<v Speaker 1>Your entire life.

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 7>And you're like, now we're just a call quits you.

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Basically just like ticket holes is really hard and uh

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 2>and and so odors shreiver goes to the grave and

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:54.400
<v Speaker 2>like digs like a foot down and is like, I

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.080
<v Speaker 2>think I'll just say that I got the bones. And

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 2>he actually took animal bones back.

0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:01.240
<v Speaker 6>Oh he did take Yeah.

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 1>This wasn't on the podcast.

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 2>What animal He just had some animal bones that he

0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:10.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, like this is Osceola's bones. One does and

0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:14.760
<v Speaker 2>buried him and like went on with the whole shtick.

0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 2>And so the National Park archaeologists were like, wait a minute,

0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 2>did he really And they go to the grave and

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like, well, somebody dug. But if there's just a hole,

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 2>you can't tell if they dug six inches or if

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 2>they dug the whole way down. And so the archaeologist,

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 2>which I thought it was kind of funny too, archaeologists

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 2>always want to dig, yes, which I don't blame him,

0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:40.759
<v Speaker 2>it's their job. And he was like, well, we might

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:43.719
<v Speaker 2>as well assume the whole grave and make casting of

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 2>his bones and you know, just do the whole thing.

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:50.080
<v Speaker 2>And so this guy in nineteen sixty seven does it,

0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 2>and guess who knew the guy.

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:53.480
<v Speaker 4>Like, well, friends, but.

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:57.120
<v Speaker 6>Lady, careful now that we're leading into other questions.

0:42:57.239 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, no, we know Patricia's name.

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:01.719
<v Speaker 4>She knew the guy.

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty it's pretty interesting.

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I like to point out how good the army is

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:09.439
<v Speaker 3>at digging holes, like they put that casket down deep,

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:10.560
<v Speaker 3>because that's about the.

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:12.320
<v Speaker 6>Only thing we do wells digging.

0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I didn't get a bunch of mail in Iraq,

0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 3>so I don't even postal clerk and ain't something either,

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.280
<v Speaker 3>So but digging holes, we can do it.

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:23.920
<v Speaker 7>It's the second time in this recording that your hole

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:28.440
<v Speaker 7>digging has been that's true, so you must be very

0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:28.920
<v Speaker 7>good at that.

0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:40.719
<v Speaker 6>Okay, okay, next question on you know, going on what

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 6>Clay just said, What was the name of the National

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:49.320
<v Speaker 6>Park official who led the exhumation of Osciola's grave. One

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 6>point for first name, which was mentioned several times. Now

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:56.399
<v Speaker 6>Clay didn't get to finish the store. Second point two

0:43:56.440 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 6>points if you can name the full name and doctor

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 6>Wickman mentions mentions his name, I call him so and

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 6>so because I knew him. Mm hmm man, she'd be

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:16.120
<v Speaker 6>good at this. Okay, mister Spencer will start again. Okay, nothing, Misty,

0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:22.360
<v Speaker 6>Johnny Nature John is correct.

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 4>Gary we.

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 6>Wrong, wrong Bear, it's Bronco. His correct name was John Griffin.

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 1>That's triangles too.

0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:41.799
<v Speaker 3>You know, you don't give up on the play. That's

0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 3>what mister Newcomb just proved.

0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:43.800
<v Speaker 7>Okay.

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:47.840
<v Speaker 6>And for for our last question, this one's a little

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:51.720
<v Speaker 6>more conceptual. I'll be I'll be the decided.

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.239
<v Speaker 2>I want I want questions that people have to give

0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 2>like a speech, and we guess.

0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:59.680
<v Speaker 6>This is this is the one. This is the one. Okay,

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.520
<v Speaker 6>Actually it's actually two part.

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:06.960
<v Speaker 1>You can't start with multi to.

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:13.279
<v Speaker 6>What university uses traditional seminal image likeness to represent them.

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:20.960
<v Speaker 6>Everyone should get this one right, Okay, Okay, Misty, Florida

0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:25.960
<v Speaker 6>Florida State will take it. Spencer a team even Arkansas

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:32.280
<v Speaker 6>could beat Florida Florida. Point of order, Florida is not correct,

0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:36.840
<v Speaker 6>University of those dims the Gators. Not that that's right. Okay,

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 6>you didn't earn.

0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:38.839
<v Speaker 4>That, I got?

0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 7>I got?

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 6>Okay. If you can't, the university uses seminal image images

0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 6>and likenesses to represent them. Why is this significant? Well,

0:45:52.280 --> 0:46:00.359
<v Speaker 6>write it down. Maybe a little too broad, No, it's

0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:02.640
<v Speaker 6>not too broad. There was there were a couple of

0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 6>real specific things that were mentioned by Mayo. Why that

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:08.520
<v Speaker 6>was significant?

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:13.759
<v Speaker 4>Okay, can you repeat the question?

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:19.240
<v Speaker 6>Yes, the University of the Florida State University uses images

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:33.080
<v Speaker 6>and likenesses to represent them. Why is this significant? Okay,

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 6>Gary Nukeomb.

0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 5>It was sanctioned by the Indians themselves. They had they

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 5>had an image that they didn't like. The Indians didn't

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:47.560
<v Speaker 5>like it, so they changed it and they approved it,

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:48.760
<v Speaker 5>and they said.

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 6>Okay, a one point for Gary Nucomb Misty.

0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:53.879
<v Speaker 7>Well, I was going to say it's controversial, but it's

0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:56.440
<v Speaker 7>not in this case. It's it's a controversial thing to

0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:59.440
<v Speaker 7>do modern in modern times, I mean.

0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:01.160
<v Speaker 4>Just like in the last like two years.

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 7>Well, that's why Josh didn't ask the question. My follow

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 7>up was going to be twenty four what does your

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:12.359
<v Speaker 7>boards say common controversy and Teddy Bear?

0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:18.880
<v Speaker 6>Okay, I'll think about this one. Yes, decision making rights accurate, Garb.

0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:23.560
<v Speaker 6>I'll accept that because the tribe approach FSU, that's correct,

0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:28.160
<v Speaker 6>and they have inputsh agents, it was a partnership with FSU. Bear,

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:30.279
<v Speaker 6>I don't have How is that not the answer? What's

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:33.480
<v Speaker 6>that not the answer? Because they're like one of the

0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 6>few and clay, What did you write accurate clothing partners,

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:41.719
<v Speaker 6>not mascots. That was the other highlight. Yeah, these are

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:45.799
<v Speaker 6>not These are not mascots. It's the only team I

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:49.600
<v Speaker 6>believe that I know of that doesn't have an official mascot.

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:54.239
<v Speaker 6>What about the utah Utes? Isn't that a isn't that who? UTAs?

0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:56.920
<v Speaker 6>What is a unit? I'm probably in the room the

0:47:57.200 --> 0:48:01.400
<v Speaker 6>American Tribe. Okay, hey, when.

0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I I had it had been a while since I

0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 2>thought much about FSU.

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:13.640
<v Speaker 4>They're not trying to throw shade on them.

0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:15.840
<v Speaker 6>They're like two and ten this year or something.

0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, no, but when I when I pulled up and

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 2>saw the war chant in that stadium with you know,

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 2>eighty thousand people, So you.

0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:27.399
<v Speaker 3>Saw that that recording? Was that you did you make

0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:28.040
<v Speaker 3>that recording?

0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:28.760
<v Speaker 4>No?

0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:30.880
<v Speaker 2>No, okay, no, no, no, no, I I just got it

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 2>off the internet.

0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 1>But but uh, but it was.

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty powerful, especially knowing that there actually is a

0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:40.680
<v Speaker 2>little bit of there's some meat on that rhone that

0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:43.920
<v Speaker 2>they partnered with the tribe, and so you know, an

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:47.600
<v Speaker 2>actual seminole is the one who rides out on this

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:51.759
<v Speaker 2>Apple Usa horse with a flaming spear. Well, they do

0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 2>their war chant and that's pretty cool. Yeah, i'd be

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 2>really it was. It's pretty cool.

0:48:57.320 --> 0:48:59.840
<v Speaker 3>You think about like the struggle to like to not

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 3>be forgotten by modern society for like Native people's and

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:08.440
<v Speaker 3>that's a whole Like it's ingenious, you know, like because

0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:12.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's on display, your your traditions are accurate.

0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I don't know. I think it's I think it's awesome.

0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I do think that there probably are some

0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:24.959
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that everybody likes it, right, I think Chandler.

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:28.240
<v Speaker 4>Demeyo, who was the one who we spoke with, and

0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 4>he was.

0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:34.320
<v Speaker 2>A young guy, and uh uh I have heard not

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:39.840
<v Speaker 2>from him, not from anybody that unofficially, but some of

0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:43.480
<v Speaker 2>the older generations sometimes don't like it.

0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:44.480
<v Speaker 4>That's what I heard.

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 6>And I mean, you know, just I appreciated his opinion.

0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:51.279
<v Speaker 6>I mean he literally was like giving his opinion. He's like,

0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:55.239
<v Speaker 6>I actually think I appreciate the way it's represented. You know.

0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 6>I think if you're going to have it, involving the

0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 6>tribe and showing a level of respect not just exploitation,

0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:06.280
<v Speaker 6>is valuable.

0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:07.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:09.319
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know, Christy and I were talking this morning.

0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:12.360
<v Speaker 6>She's like, what what's the takeaway? From this series, and

0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:15.600
<v Speaker 6>I think one of the biggest takeaways is just to

0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:20.200
<v Speaker 6>to bring awareness to the struggles and the fight and

0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:24.000
<v Speaker 6>the the things that have happened over the years. I think,

0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:27.359
<v Speaker 6>I think when when that history gets lost, that's when

0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:31.200
<v Speaker 6>when cycles are repeated. And so I think this has

0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:35.000
<v Speaker 6>been a great, a great series to just bring awareness.

0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:38.000
<v Speaker 6>I knew the name Asiola. I didn't know anything about Asiola,

0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 6>and I think it's important to know.

0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I think you learn I learn a

0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:48.440
<v Speaker 2>lot about American history inside of these things.

0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:49.840
<v Speaker 4>Just if you if you listen.

0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:54.000
<v Speaker 2>To all the historical Bear Grease episodes, like it's it's

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:57.880
<v Speaker 2>not like a class on American history, but yeah, you know,

0:50:58.000 --> 0:51:00.400
<v Speaker 2>you learn about Andrew Jackson, you learn about the Indian

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Removal Act, you learn about the kind of the context

0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:06.120
<v Speaker 2>of society and what was going on, just by kind

0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:09.480
<v Speaker 2>of hyper focusing on one little section. And if you

0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:13.960
<v Speaker 2>do that ten times, you kind of you start to

0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:16.720
<v Speaker 2>build a bigger story of kind of how things happened.

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.359
<v Speaker 2>Because that's the way it's happened for me. Because I mean,

0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:23.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a historian, I'm really not, but and so

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:25.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm I'm learning.

0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:26.839
<v Speaker 4>All this as we go, you know.

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:32.319
<v Speaker 2>But I tell you what I took away from Osceola

0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:36.240
<v Speaker 2>is actually how little we knew about him as a person.

0:51:37.480 --> 0:51:42.160
<v Speaker 2>We actually didn't know. He only lived thirty four years

0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:44.840
<v Speaker 2>and there were only like two years of his life

0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:47.800
<v Speaker 2>that he was in the spotlight, you know, we talked

0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:49.920
<v Speaker 2>in kind of to me, that was one of the

0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:52.560
<v Speaker 2>most interesting things about him, was that he had this

0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:55.720
<v Speaker 2>like global fame. Yeah, at a time when the world

0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:59.040
<v Speaker 2>was kind of looking on to America in the frontier

0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:04.839
<v Speaker 2>and Native Americans, and he was for for like two

0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:07.640
<v Speaker 2>years before he died, he had this global fame, which

0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:09.919
<v Speaker 2>he was in prison, wasn't he Well he was in.

0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:12.240
<v Speaker 1>Prison for the last three months of those two years,

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:13.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, and.

0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:17.400
<v Speaker 2>So he would have had very little probably understanding of

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:24.360
<v Speaker 2>his own his own recognition, and that also probably wouldn't

0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:27.280
<v Speaker 2>have been something that he would have been that concerned about.

0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Like like we did talk about how you know, he

0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:33.880
<v Speaker 2>was known to kind of have an ego, Like that

0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.560
<v Speaker 2>was something that a theme that you see that you know, he.

0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:37.000
<v Speaker 4>Was just.

0:52:38.400 --> 0:52:41.000
<v Speaker 1>He had some interest in being known for something, but

0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:42.920
<v Speaker 1>that like that was like not his goal.

0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, But you don't you don't really ever see

0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:50.880
<v Speaker 2>you don't ever there's no transcripts of big speeches that

0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:51.400
<v Speaker 2>he did.

0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:53.520
<v Speaker 1>There's so much was lost.

0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:57.880
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, what stood out to you, Spence, anything anything

0:52:57.920 --> 0:52:58.760
<v Speaker 2>from the whole series?

0:52:58.880 --> 0:52:59.920
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the whole series.

0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:02.759
<v Speaker 3>It's just you had a quote at the I think

0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:05.080
<v Speaker 3>it was the last one where you you know, you

0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:08.839
<v Speaker 3>said with Solomon that there's nothing new under the sun,

0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:13.040
<v Speaker 3>and you talked about like the abortion thing with the

0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 3>with the woman there, and even just like listening to it,

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 3>you see stuff like even now like we're talking about

0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:25.279
<v Speaker 3>not to be political, but millet the military deport you know,

0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:28.080
<v Speaker 3>potentially rounding up a large section of population.

0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:29.959
<v Speaker 6>And that's what I thought about.

0:53:30.000 --> 0:53:33.080
<v Speaker 3>I thought about And I'm not passing judgment either way,

0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:36.240
<v Speaker 3>but you know, it's like every couple hundred years, it's

0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:39.919
<v Speaker 3>just seems like with the Japanese, with the Native Americans,

0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:43.239
<v Speaker 3>and then you know you even just stuff with like

0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:47.239
<v Speaker 3>in that what eighteen thirty old AJ was like all

0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:50.960
<v Speaker 3>the treaties are, we're not doing them anymore. Yeah, And

0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:53.880
<v Speaker 3>like as a veteran who got kind of knocked around

0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:56.600
<v Speaker 3>in Iraq, like there's a lot of scuttle but about

0:53:56.719 --> 0:53:59.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, canceling a lot of the VA stuff, and

0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, people are like, oh, the government never do that.

0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:05.640
<v Speaker 3>And then I'm listening to this series and it's like

0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:08.080
<v Speaker 3>like that I'm stepping my fingers, but it's like and

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 3>it's just gone. And so I don't know, I just

0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:12.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, there's a story of those that don't know

0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:15.040
<v Speaker 3>the past are destined to repeat it. And I think

0:54:15.080 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 3>there's just a lot of value when you take these dives, uh,

0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:24.840
<v Speaker 3>like with Osceola, with comes, with Daniel Boone, you know

0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:27.719
<v Speaker 3>you or Davy Crockett maybe you did them both. Uh

0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:29.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, Like I just I think we learn a

0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:33.400
<v Speaker 3>lot about ourselves in our our culture, in our society.

0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:36.440
<v Speaker 6>And and and I think I just think it's incredibly valuable.

0:54:36.719 --> 0:54:42.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I think governments are inherently interested in

0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:44.280
<v Speaker 2>their in their best interests.

0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's it.

0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:51.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's essentially boils down every decision, good and

0:54:51.920 --> 0:54:54.840
<v Speaker 2>bad that's been made by governments is that they're they're

0:54:54.880 --> 0:54:59.640
<v Speaker 2>working in their own self interest, which is is supposed

0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:01.080
<v Speaker 2>to be in the end interest of the people. But

0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:03.719
<v Speaker 2>then it's like, well, it can't be an interest of

0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:06.279
<v Speaker 2>all people. He's got to be interest of maybe the

0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:09.080
<v Speaker 2>majority of people. But I mean, don't you know, it's

0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:10.760
<v Speaker 2>just like injustice.

0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:13.440
<v Speaker 3>And even like that interplay like you talked about what

0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:16.520
<v Speaker 3>you're talking about earlier about giving these little peaks and

0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:21.280
<v Speaker 3>how people were like the culture was pro pro oh Ciola,

0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:24.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, like people saw him as a hero, you know,

0:55:24.480 --> 0:55:27.000
<v Speaker 3>at the same time they were looking to to stop

0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:29.640
<v Speaker 3>what he did. And I don't know, so even that

0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:33.960
<v Speaker 3>like interplay between culture and government, it's it doesn't necessarily

0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:37.320
<v Speaker 3>always line up in our society, you know, And that's interesting.

0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:41.240
<v Speaker 3>You could have podcasts upon podcasts like you said earlier

0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:44.640
<v Speaker 3>about about this man and it's legit, you know.

0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Ostiola Bear, whatsood out to you? Just like whole

0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:50.680
<v Speaker 2>whole takeaway the whole series.

0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:54.200
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I think the kind of both of you guys

0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:56.120
<v Speaker 8>have said, but just it kind of opened my eyes

0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:58.879
<v Speaker 8>to a lot of history that I would have never

0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:01.440
<v Speaker 8>known it also, and teach you that in school they

0:56:01.480 --> 0:56:04.200
<v Speaker 8>didn't well but you heard some like like you said,

0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:06.600
<v Speaker 8>some like familiar names that you would have learned, you know,

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:14.360
<v Speaker 8>Andrew Jackson then but then but it was kind of

0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:16.640
<v Speaker 8>interesting to see that side of it.

0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:17.120
<v Speaker 6>Also.

0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:20.640
<v Speaker 8>It kind of, at least for me, removed a lot

0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:27.880
<v Speaker 8>of preconceived kind of stereotypes of like Native Americans and

0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:30.040
<v Speaker 8>stuff like. It just kind of tore down a lot

0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:33.719
<v Speaker 8>of things that you that are just kind of like

0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:35.200
<v Speaker 8>almost built into the.

0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:39.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, the way that the cultural way that we.

0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:42.520
<v Speaker 8>Would see Native Americans just like in like movies and stuff,

0:56:42.960 --> 0:56:45.920
<v Speaker 8>you kind of have this image, but this definitely like

0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:48.440
<v Speaker 8>tore it down and kind of put them on a

0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:51.000
<v Speaker 8>more you know, realistic level.

0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:51.439
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:55.080
<v Speaker 8>And then overall I thought the story was like a

0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:58.279
<v Speaker 8>very it was a it was it was a bear

0:56:58.320 --> 0:57:01.800
<v Speaker 8>grease story, you know, like there there were so many

0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:04.239
<v Speaker 8>different aspects to it, and like you said at the

0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:08.759
<v Speaker 8>beginning of the most recent podcast, sometimes the reality is

0:57:09.680 --> 0:57:11.800
<v Speaker 8>you know, I can't remember exactly what you said, but it's.

0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:12.839
<v Speaker 4>Bad than the myth.

0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:15.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it was like his bear grease lye soap

0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:17.000
<v Speaker 1>to wash that off, all.

0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:19.760
<v Speaker 8>Right, Yeah, but like it was wild, like even in

0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:22.440
<v Speaker 8>this last episode, like Osiol has been dead for like

0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:25.440
<v Speaker 8>how many years, like one hundred years, and there's still

0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:29.360
<v Speaker 8>stuff going on and there's still twisting turns in the story.

0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:29.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:32.720
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it was overall a great series.

0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:34.240
<v Speaker 4>We uh.

0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:40.640
<v Speaker 1>To ask a specific question about.

0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:45.160
<v Speaker 2>About the the the child in the grave with Ostiola.

0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:48.000
<v Speaker 4>What do you think about that? Dad? I couldn't even

0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:49.880
<v Speaker 4>relate to it. I mean, it just where this kid

0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:50.440
<v Speaker 4>come from?

0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:50.680
<v Speaker 6>Man?

0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:54.200
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, maybe when did you well, maybe I missed something,

0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:56.800
<v Speaker 5>you know, did I write they say something I didn't hear.

0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:00.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I just was like, what about the

0:58:01.280 --> 0:58:01.840
<v Speaker 4>first reader.

0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:03.840
<v Speaker 5>I'm sitting in the back of the class, thinking about

0:58:03.880 --> 0:58:05.520
<v Speaker 5>what I'm gonna do at recess, you know.

0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:07.439
<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden there's a kid down there.

0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:09.280
<v Speaker 4>All of a sudden there's a test, and I'm going,

0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:09.880
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:58:10.760 --> 0:58:14.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's the way it hit anybody that learns

0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:17.520
<v Speaker 2>the story. It's like they're digging down to check out

0:58:17.520 --> 0:58:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Osceola to confirm that he was in fact headless. You know,

0:58:23.240 --> 0:58:25.360
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't have been too surprising for them to get

0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:27.240
<v Speaker 2>down there and learn that his head was there and

0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:30.080
<v Speaker 2>that the whole head thing was just a myth, because

0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:34.800
<v Speaker 2>before there was you know, i mean, the world before

0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:40.120
<v Speaker 2>video documentation, audio documentation, typewriters, you know, the ability to

0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:41.400
<v Speaker 2>really document stuff.

0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:45.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the world was just full of you didn't

0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:46.920
<v Speaker 1>know if something was true or not.

0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so you know, but when they got down there,

0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:51.920
<v Speaker 2>they actually confirmed that he did not have a head,

0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and then you know, and the way his body was

0:58:54.560 --> 0:58:56.280
<v Speaker 2>pushed up way to the front of the grave that

0:58:56.320 --> 0:59:00.520
<v Speaker 2>he had been dropped in there. And then but I

0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:05.320
<v Speaker 2>guess the way we have, I guess we really have

0:59:05.480 --> 0:59:09.600
<v Speaker 2>most of the information that there is. But with the

0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:13.800
<v Speaker 2>way the information was presented, Josh, what do you think

0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:15.120
<v Speaker 2>you heard me say that?

0:59:15.200 --> 0:59:16.520
<v Speaker 4>I didn't. It was the only time.

0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:20.320
<v Speaker 2>And it's not like I'm disagreeing with doctor Wickman, but

0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:25.240
<v Speaker 2>she was very convinced knowing, and I mean, golly, she's

0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:27.160
<v Speaker 2>got more right to have an opinion than I do.

0:59:28.080 --> 0:59:30.840
<v Speaker 2>But just in general, I didn't feel like it was

0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:35.800
<v Speaker 2>really fair to just be like a you know, a

0:59:35.840 --> 0:59:38.560
<v Speaker 2>mother killed her child and buried it. It was just like,

0:59:38.680 --> 0:59:41.960
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, we just don't have enough data to

0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:44.080
<v Speaker 2>say that. I mean, maybe the child got sick. Maybe

0:59:44.160 --> 0:59:47.160
<v Speaker 2>it was a great coincidence, if there is such a thing,

0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:51.960
<v Speaker 2>and the child died of pneumonia within hours of ostiola.

0:59:52.160 --> 0:59:53.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, what do you think.

0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:57.520
<v Speaker 6>Gosh, I don't know. I mean, that's a tough one

0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:02.840
<v Speaker 6>because there doesn't seem a logical reason for any of it, right,

1:00:03.080 --> 1:00:05.520
<v Speaker 6>you know what I mean, so it's like there's so

1:00:05.560 --> 1:00:08.200
<v Speaker 6>many wild cards that play there that you just it's

1:00:08.280 --> 1:00:10.960
<v Speaker 6>it's hard to even I mean, it's it would be speculation.

1:00:11.720 --> 1:00:14.680
<v Speaker 6>You know, any any possible scenario would be speculating.

1:00:14.680 --> 1:00:17.080
<v Speaker 4>I just thought of something, Why couldn't they do DNA annow.

1:00:17.840 --> 1:00:22.240
<v Speaker 6>But they'd have to exam him again unless they had

1:00:22.440 --> 1:00:25.320
<v Speaker 6>unless they had DNA from when they exemmed him. Because

1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:27.040
<v Speaker 6>I had the same thought, I was like, why don't

1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.400
<v Speaker 6>they just do DNA? But they wouldn't have known to

1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:32.160
<v Speaker 6>do DNA testing at that point in nineteen sixty seven.

1:00:32.360 --> 1:00:35.640
<v Speaker 7>Do you think that maybe we know more than everyone else.

1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:40.480
<v Speaker 3>It's like a cold case mystery. I mean, this could

1:00:40.520 --> 1:00:43.120
<v Speaker 3>be your next branch of the Beargers podcast.

1:00:43.480 --> 1:00:44.840
<v Speaker 1>We're going back down.

1:00:46.640 --> 1:00:47.080
<v Speaker 7>Podcast.

1:00:47.720 --> 1:00:48.160
<v Speaker 4>What do you think?

1:00:48.520 --> 1:00:51.800
<v Speaker 5>I know the answer? It was a graveyard. You know,

1:00:51.880 --> 1:00:54.560
<v Speaker 5>we've got a graveyard. I live in a subdivision. We

1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:57.240
<v Speaker 5>got a graveyard that when y'all were little kids, we

1:00:57.280 --> 1:01:00.720
<v Speaker 5>walked over and had to williams of a tree or

1:01:01.040 --> 1:01:03.560
<v Speaker 5>you know, pulled the witch and sticks and then out

1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:06.520
<v Speaker 5>in the woods. I think I took you to another grave.

1:01:06.600 --> 1:01:09.080
<v Speaker 5>I'm just out hunting. I'm looking here to swimpter well,

1:01:09.680 --> 1:01:12.560
<v Speaker 5>you know those two stones gets moved. You know, they

1:01:12.600 --> 1:01:14.960
<v Speaker 5>buried him and there was a little girl next to him,

1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:18.320
<v Speaker 5>and they didn't know what until nineteen sixty seven.

1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:20.880
<v Speaker 6>I just discovered it. And I hate to bring this

1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:22.960
<v Speaker 6>topic back up for a third time.

1:01:23.000 --> 1:01:24.320
<v Speaker 4>We're going to talk about the vine again.

1:01:24.440 --> 1:01:27.480
<v Speaker 6>Nope, for a third time in this podcast. Digging a

1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:31.840
<v Speaker 6>hole is hard if you've already got a whole point.

1:01:32.040 --> 1:01:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's probably true, easier to do well.

1:01:39.080 --> 1:01:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I think what you're saying, Dad makes a lot of sense,

1:01:41.200 --> 1:01:43.560
<v Speaker 2>and it's going to go to this is like, what

1:01:43.680 --> 1:01:47.280
<v Speaker 2>if it was complete coincidence that they just dug a

1:01:47.360 --> 1:01:52.000
<v Speaker 2>straight wall grave that just happened to be right next

1:01:52.000 --> 1:01:54.520
<v Speaker 2>to right next to where they buried a little a

1:01:54.560 --> 1:01:55.200
<v Speaker 2>little kid.

1:01:55.440 --> 1:01:58.680
<v Speaker 3>I think the why to me, I think you can

1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:00.720
<v Speaker 3>miss something if you don't con it. Or the fact

1:02:00.720 --> 1:02:07.960
<v Speaker 3>that a new mother's situation is so terrible that she

1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:12.400
<v Speaker 3>saw it as a kindness. Sure, because like when it

1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:15.280
<v Speaker 3>talked about Ossila, and I'm probably saying that wrong, but

1:02:15.520 --> 1:02:17.280
<v Speaker 3>you look at that Clay's got a picture there and

1:02:17.320 --> 1:02:20.200
<v Speaker 3>it's this real proud man. He was covered in lice

1:02:20.680 --> 1:02:23.960
<v Speaker 3>because like of the way he was confined. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>this is you know, like when you when you talked

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<v Speaker 3>about just culturally, like they talked about the tree on

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<v Speaker 3>this piece of property and all that. And now he's

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<v Speaker 3>confined in a cell like where he can't he can't

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<v Speaker 3>experience like his whole life. And for that woman, their

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<v Speaker 3>whole society, their whole everything, even more so than us,

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<v Speaker 3>like and and and the best case journey is that

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<v Speaker 3>those that child would have went on something that riding

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<v Speaker 3>our own neck of the woods is called the Trail

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<v Speaker 3>of Tears. Yeah, like, I mean there was that they

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<v Speaker 3>were facing horrific and and I don't know, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it takes some of the the sting out that that

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<v Speaker 3>maybe needs to be there to consider why that and

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<v Speaker 3>other reasons why that could yeah, could have been the

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<v Speaker 3>great Does that make sense? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean I think it's it's perfectly plausible

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<v Speaker 2>that that it was it was a seminole child that

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<v Speaker 2>could have been you know, in fantaside.

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<v Speaker 3>Because other you said, other society, I know, Greek and

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<v Speaker 3>Romans did that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's I think it's fairly common that it

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<v Speaker 2>hunter gathers this ancient hunter gathered societies that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>infantaside was was common.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like it's it's it would be in the playbook,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But so I'm not discounting that bit of a downer,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not discounting it even a little bit. But

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<v Speaker 2>I also think I hadn't thought of that, Dad. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's just maybe they just dug a hole and just

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<v Speaker 2>happened to be right beside a little infant. And would

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<v Speaker 2>you have put a big old headstone and done a

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<v Speaker 2>big old thing for an infant.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe not.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean maybe it just would have been like man

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<v Speaker 2>the child, you know, maybe it was dead when it

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<v Speaker 2>was born and they had to bury it and it

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<v Speaker 2>was unmarked.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's not connected to osiola at all at all.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think a lot more important issue is that

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<v Speaker 5>his head was in a jar in the picture window

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<v Speaker 5>of the store door.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean can you imagine that.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it ever reburied like in return?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean that was a hosted we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>where it's at, you know, that was that was still missing.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a big part of episode three is that

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's still gone. It's it's and and doctor Patricia

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<v Speaker 2>Wigman thinks it's still out there.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, what kind of society would want to look

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<v Speaker 4>at a head in front of a dealer's department store.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, the eighteen hundreds, it was eighteen hundreds were wild, yeah, wild.

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<v Speaker 1>And they would look at us and say this exact

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<v Speaker 1>same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>They would look at.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the brutal of some of the stuff going

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<v Speaker 2>on today and be like, Kyle, Leen, I bet you

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<v Speaker 2>people had a lot of buckskin stuff in the store

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<v Speaker 2>back then.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, down on a little rock started.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, well, Misty, do you have any thoughts on the

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<v Speaker 2>on the on the child.

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<v Speaker 7>No, you know, I'll just say for the whole series,

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<v Speaker 7>and and kind of to spends this point as well,

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<v Speaker 7>and the whole series. I think it was when we

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<v Speaker 7>were I'm ninety percent sure when we interviewed Chief Been

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<v Speaker 7>Barnes for the to come to interview, he said, don't

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<v Speaker 7>talk about us unless you talk with us. That was

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<v Speaker 7>a quote that that their tribe had and that they

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<v Speaker 7>didn't want everyone else to tell their story. They wanted

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<v Speaker 7>to be included in telling their story. And I think

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<v Speaker 7>every time you do one of these series, it just

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<v Speaker 7>it does go to show like we when we interpret history,

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<v Speaker 7>we are interpreting it through a very narrow lens of

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<v Speaker 7>the time on Earth that we were born, where we

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<v Speaker 7>were raised, the cultural norms of our time, and you

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<v Speaker 7>really you can't do that, You've got to And I

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<v Speaker 7>think it is accuracy, yeah, and illuminated, Yeah, a whole

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<v Speaker 7>different way of thinking about things, looking at situations. And

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<v Speaker 7>I think on on both ends, both sides of this thing,

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<v Speaker 7>it it it. There would be just like, why would

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<v Speaker 7>you have a head in a store? That's not something

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<v Speaker 7>that I would have. That to me that that person

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<v Speaker 7>is brutal and they are terrible, and and anyone that

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<v Speaker 7>would do that, But the assumption would be if you

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<v Speaker 7>put it in the store's because that's a not a

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<v Speaker 7>crazy thing to do at that time, that's not quite

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<v Speaker 7>as insane as it seems to us now. But I

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<v Speaker 7>think it also does you you interpret the Seminal people

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<v Speaker 7>and their story differently. And I think, again, Patricia Wickman

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<v Speaker 7>best best interview you've ever done, and she by living

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<v Speaker 7>among them, and I mean she really I felt like

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<v Speaker 7>gate did justice to their to their story and to

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<v Speaker 7>their perspective, and I think it added value to all

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<v Speaker 7>of our all of our lands.

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<v Speaker 6>One of the things I liked about her too, is

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<v Speaker 6>that she probably knew the history better than any one

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<v Speaker 6>individual in the tribe. But at the same time, she

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<v Speaker 6>never tried to like assimilate into them, like she always

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<v Speaker 6>knew like this is their history, not my history, and

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<v Speaker 6>and just held it very honorably. And that was one

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<v Speaker 6>of the things that I really liked about the way

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<v Speaker 6>that she communicated about the Seminoles is that she was

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<v Speaker 6>she was she was telling her story, but she it's

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<v Speaker 6>not like she had weaseled her way into the tribe,

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<v Speaker 6>and she was.

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<v Speaker 11>But it was real clear to me that that the

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<v Speaker 11>thing she was probably most proud of in her career

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<v Speaker 11>at least was that she lived on that reservation with those.

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<v Speaker 1>People, like she really loved those people.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, uh, that was very clear.

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<v Speaker 6>I liked her because she was like protective of the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, like no matter which way cuts like, she's

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<v Speaker 3>just like, no, this is this is how they would

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<v Speaker 3>have been thinking then. Yeah, And sometimes it surprised you

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<v Speaker 3>either way, you know, and it just I really appreciated

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<v Speaker 3>just her her tenacity for.

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<v Speaker 2>Veracity, veracity wow, wow.

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<v Speaker 6>Tenacity for bear grease, tenacity for veracity.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hey, it's been it's been a great conversation. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for thanks for coming up. Dad, and uh, Misty and

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<v Speaker 2>Spence and everybody, uh, anything we're supposed to talk about.

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<v Speaker 6>Josh, I don't think so. I think we covered it.

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<v Speaker 4>Covered it all.

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<v Speaker 6>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm always a little bit sad when we move

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<v Speaker 2>on from a from a from a character. But something

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<v Speaker 2>that happens pretty often is that people hear the episodes

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<v Speaker 2>and start doing research or they they know something and

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<v Speaker 2>they contact me and they're like, hey, man, you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta do this, you gotta come talk to this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's always kind of sad because it's like, for

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<v Speaker 2>doing what we do, you kind of have to like

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<v Speaker 2>move on, like like I'm already researching stuff that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to come out and and and I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>say I'm done with these guys because I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of stay with me. But uh, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Ostiola heck of a guy toast Osiola