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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman.

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Speaker 2: This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called

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Speaker 2: The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper,

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Speaker 2: and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast,

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Speaker 2: presented by f h F Gear, American made purpose built

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Speaker 2: hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged

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Speaker 2: as the place as we explore. All Right, I have

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Speaker 2: I have three major things I'd like to do before

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Speaker 2: we talk about Ostiola. It was the final Osceola Render,

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Speaker 2: which I really feel like we've done it. We've done

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Speaker 2: four Ostiola podcasts and they've all been to me really

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Speaker 2: interesting and I think to other people too. And as

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Speaker 2: a matter of fact, we may just turn the whole

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Speaker 2: bear Grease into Ostiola. I like it just just well,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that that's.

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Speaker 1: Ossiola's life and legacy.

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Speaker 3: You need to get like silver plating on everything because

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Speaker 3: that he had over every silver What are those called gorgets?

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Speaker 2: Gorgets? Yeah, I didn't really even know what they were.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna end up talking about Ostiola. But I've

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Speaker 2: got three like very important things to talk about I have. First,

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Speaker 2: we'll start with a story. Then there's a sales question

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Speaker 2: that I'd like to present to the team. Sure, and uh,

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Speaker 2: but but first let me say or I want to

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Speaker 2: tell you a story. And I'm just dying to tell it.

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Speaker 2: The Arkansas Bear season last till November the thirtieth. On

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Speaker 2: November the twenty ninth, I had a a just like

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Speaker 2: a hankering intuition, just like an unquenchable desire to go

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Speaker 2: to a certain place. Just it just I just couldn't

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Speaker 2: make it go away, like for a week, and I

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Speaker 2: just thought about it being the last two days of

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Speaker 2: bear season.

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Speaker 4: It was a place that I bear hunt. But that

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Speaker 4: have you had that happen to me?

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Speaker 5: Before it happened, I tell you, And watching football on

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Speaker 5: a Saturday, interested in the games, and I just kept thinking,

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Speaker 5: I know those deer are in one particular place where

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Speaker 5: I hunt. And finally I just got up and went

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Speaker 5: down there, climbed in the tree, killed a deer, put

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Speaker 5: it in the truck, came home.

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Speaker 6: It was a long way the football game, yeah, back

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Speaker 6: in thirty minutes.

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Speaker 2: I really, I think the older you get, the more

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Speaker 2: you recognize what is maybe just like a fleeting idea

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Speaker 2: versus something you really need to pay attention to. And man,

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Speaker 2: so I went down here, but specifically it wasn't as

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Speaker 2: much well it was as much the location as it

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Speaker 2: was the way I was going to get in there,

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Speaker 2: which will play into this story. Cash, have I introduced

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Speaker 2: my guests? You haven't yeh, Misty Newcombe, so great to

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Speaker 2: have you.

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Speaker 7: Good to be here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, my beloved neighbor and friend and the best pastured

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Speaker 2: poultry grower.

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Speaker 6: That thanksgiving me to phenomenal Yes.

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Speaker 7: Very good.

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Speaker 1: So Spences here, who has been a featured guest on

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Speaker 1: the Burgers podcast before on a soil podcast.

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Speaker 6: I believe that all of us have minus one.

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Speaker 2: Me and Spencer, both environmental, soil and science majors from

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Speaker 2: the first of Arkansas. Yeah, I call it an inch

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Speaker 2: deep and a mile wide.

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Speaker 6: But straight.

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Speaker 7: Okay, One time Spence and Clay and our other neighbor

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Speaker 7: were digging a hole in our ground too. We were

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Speaker 7: cooking a hog under the ground and they were they

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Speaker 7: were digging the hole in the ground. This is a

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Speaker 7: funny three but y'all being in the same major and.

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Speaker 2: Not to lose the audience, but we're actually in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the bear story.

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Speaker 7: Go ahead, okay, well, this is a good story. Just

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Speaker 7: while we're internucing with people. You're we're roasting a pig

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Speaker 7: in the ground, and you two and our other neighbors

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Speaker 7: were all digging this hole, and Spin said something did

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Speaker 7: the effect of man, those crop, soil, environmental water science degrees,

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Speaker 7: It's sure are coming in handy right now, because y'all

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Speaker 7: were you digging in the soil. And our neighbor said,

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Speaker 7: who was a classical letters major whatever that means classical studies,

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Speaker 7: And he's like, well, turns out classical studies is also

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Speaker 7: coming in.

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Speaker 4: It's funny.

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Speaker 2: It was funny, fun good throwback introductions in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the Bear story. Josh Bridge Spilmmaker, to see you, Bear,

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Speaker 2: John Nuclear, Great to see.

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Speaker 1: You, Gary Believer, Nukelem the Legend, Great to see you.

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Speaker 7: November twenty ninth, Clay got a hankering to go, ankoring.

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Speaker 2: To go, but it was it was a way to

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Speaker 2: I wanted to stay. I just it didn't make sense,

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Speaker 2: gonna get into it could just be a terrible, like

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Speaker 2: disastrous hike. I got to where I park at four PM,

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Speaker 2: which is late. It gets dark at like five point thirty,

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Speaker 2: and I just made up my mind that I was

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Speaker 4: Day of the Arkansas bear season.

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Speaker 2: And I'm I'm side hilling low in this drawl, and

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Speaker 2: like twenty minutes before dark, I'm on a super steep

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Speaker 1: So big that I immediately knew.

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Speaker 1: They putting in a water line to a subdivision.

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Speaker 4: No they I knew. I knew it was a bear.

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Speaker 6: And I saw like how big was this pilot?

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Speaker 2: A truck hood and a half and it was on

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Speaker 4: And it's bear season.

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Speaker 2: It's illegal to kill a denned bear, so I wasn't

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Speaker 4: Shoot a bear if it was in there.

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Speaker 2: But I really wanted to see if one was in there,

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Speaker 2: and uh and I So anyway, I walked down there,

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Speaker 2: and I mean it was a nerve wracking moment because

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Speaker 2: it just kind of crept up there and had my

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Speaker 2: I've been on a lot of bear den studies and

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Speaker 4: Won't even do anything. Sometimes they'll just stay in there

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Speaker 2: Of eyeball you. And anyway, I get up there, and

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Speaker 2: sure enough it's a bear den. It's a hole about

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Speaker 2: about as big as a fifty five gallon drum, kind

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Speaker 2: Inside it widened out both directions about probably I think

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Speaker 2: a six foot man could have laid down sideways in

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, you know, maybe how far end did

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Speaker 4: Feet three feet.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was a big tressive yeah, and there's

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Speaker 6: So I go up on the heap in there.

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Speaker 2: Yet I go up on the hill and walk like

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Speaker 2: it's I feel like, I'm not going to shoot a

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Speaker 2: roaming around. He's just dug his den. But I knew

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Speaker 2: was blowing up the valley or up the hill all day.

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Speaker 2: I didn't really understand the thermals on it. I think

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Speaker 2: And I crept within forty five yards of that den

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Speaker 1: Four oh six. I decided it gets dark.

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Speaker 2: I five thirty decided to walk out of there, went

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Speaker 1: Bear so that I knew. I almost brought a bear box.

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Speaker 2: Most of my cameras this year have been slapped by bears,

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Speaker 2: even in bear boxes, and they slide around. And so

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Speaker 2: within twenty four hours, a bear moved the camera, pointing

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Speaker 2: It was a color phase bear, it was. And when

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Speaker 2: I mean, he was just tracing every step I made.

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Speaker 2: I was really surprised he came in after what I smelled.

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Speaker 2: You know, Oh, let's tell him what bear I texted

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Speaker 2: you that night I had good sale coverage in there,

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Speaker 2: and I texted you and I said, bear, I found

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you said, well, I asked if you were going

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Speaker 8: couldn't tell me because the bear might hear you. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: And I was, you know, two hours away, and we

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Speaker 7: So not only could hear him that he can intercept

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Speaker 6: Location.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I first learned about this, oh no, from the

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Speaker 2: co Yukon people in Alaska who there. They have very

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Speaker 2: many bear hunting taboos, and one of them is to

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Speaker 2: vocalize your plans about bear hunting because the bear will

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Speaker 2: hear you. So so if we were going bear hunting

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Speaker 2: dad tomorrow, I would go, hey, Dad, I'd say we

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Speaker 2: just see what we could find. Or or if we

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Speaker 2: knew right where a bear was, we wouldn't directly address

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Speaker 2: that we were going bear hunting.

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Speaker 4: It would be much more cryptic.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I believe that, but you still

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Speaker 1: that it's worth a shot.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to start when when coons are hauling my

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Speaker 3: layers out, I'm going to start taking that tactic footholds.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just don't ask me.

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Speaker 1: Don't ask, don't tell.

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Speaker 6: That's something different.

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Speaker 2: But that's our bear hunting philosophy. Now, it's like, if

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Speaker 4: You might be a redneck. You might be ready.

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Speaker 7: Doing damage to their cars.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I would have honked.

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Speaker 6: It could be on Channel five news.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I gotta get this out here, so that

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Speaker 2: I couldn't tell, like the the you know in the video, No,

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Speaker 2: But but that bear smelled me twenty four hours later,

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Speaker 2: And when it left it like, you know, like a

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Speaker 4: Really yeah, they're they're they know that you're watching them.

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Speaker 3: Now you post you post this stuff on Instagram though, right,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but you won't text it or tell anybody.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's mainly hunting plans and and I'm not. I'm not,

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Speaker 6: There might be a little incregruity there.

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Speaker 2: True, Well, I'm no longer hunting the okay, you know,

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Speaker 2: Wow, pet owner and a pet owner. I've got I've

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Speaker 6: So we have.

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Speaker 2: We have three fists right now, and and the best one,

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's squirrel hunting.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well we don't know yet because those ages went

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Speaker 7: Well, I have strong opinions about the qualities of our world.

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 2: talking about like today and anyway, tests beautiful dog, brindle backed, whitefooted,

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Speaker 1: And Tess is like Tesso.

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Speaker 2: I would say this amongst the company of people that

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Speaker 2: There's a fair chance Michael will hear this when I

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Speaker 2: Like when you hunt all day, when you're like, well,

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Speaker 2: we you know, everybody's kind of keeping track. You're not

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Speaker 2: keeping track of we killed this many squirrels over that dog,

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Speaker 1: Pleasure to hunt.

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Speaker 6: It's a lot of hype. Is this leading somewhere?

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Speaker 2: I think we should sell her, Oh, because she's good,

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Speaker 2: It may not seem like it, but when you got

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Speaker 2: It'd be better probably just just to hunt this young dog.

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Speaker 2: And I don't want Tess and the prime of her

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Speaker 2: No guarantees it's live animal folks. But every day she's

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Speaker 4: For two fifty I'd sell her yeah, or fifty fifty dollars.

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Speaker 1: We bought her for more than that.

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Speaker 6: I'm kidding.

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Speaker 5: If she's as good as you're saying, I mean, she's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, where are you thinking price wise? Well, minimum bid?

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Speaker 3: Where would the minimum bid start? Oh?

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Speaker 4: We have even decided we can't do this yet, but

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Speaker 6: She's right outside here, so she could hear.

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Speaker 7: She could hear.

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Speaker 2: I can hear when you talk about him, though it's

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Speaker 8: Because you said you wouldn't say something in front of Jedi.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that he wasn't good to his face. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But test might hear us and well, but but see,

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Speaker 6: Because she's gonna getlised. It's a complicated system.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we should sell the dog? Me and

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Speaker 8: Essentially undecided because she is a really good dog. But

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Speaker 1: O Sage. I'm undecided. I need to think on it.

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Speaker 6: Yep. So she's a tool. She's a machine.

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Speaker 1: She is. She is not much of a pet. She's

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Speaker 6: She's so driven.

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Speaker 2: She's These other dogs run loose and we treat them

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Speaker 4: They come in our house and.

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Speaker 6: Hey, listen, we've had dogs. We've had dogs for years.

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Speaker 6: We've got two dogs right now that are like part

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Speaker 6: But he was so driven just to chase and play

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Speaker 6: it wasn't a good.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Tess knows what she's doing. But she's she's

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Speaker 3: Just like having two Baylors. One goes down, you got

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Speaker 6: Baylor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder why you can't hunt.

446
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 5: You could hunt two dogs together bird dogs, sure, I

447
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 5: mean you like two good bird dogs after.

448
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, oh, you absolutely could hunt both of them.

449
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: But a squirrel hunting, it's kind of a limiting factor

450
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 2: of how many trees you can go to in an afternoon,

451
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: like bear hunted tests and osage the other day.

452
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 8: And I mean we were always going to a tree,

453
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 8: sometimes even two trees at the same time, and it

454
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 8: would take us too long to get there, and the

455
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 8: squirrels would be in a whole or something.

456
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So it's just I don't know, it's just

457
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 4: better to hunt like one dog.

458
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, could you guys not split up and double your

459
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 3: squirrel efficiency?

460
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: Well, social event, but that's why you know you're kind

461
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 2: of there to have fun together, Misty.

462
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 7: Well, so I have I'm very involved in the squirrel

463
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 7: dog Yeah, the squirrel dog system here at the New

464
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 7: co and Farm, and we have three and I have

465
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 7: a ranking scale for them. But there's sociability and then

466
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 7: there's squirrel You know, productivity, How good are you at

467
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 7: squirrel hunting? And I think that these are two scales

468
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 7: that have an inverse relationship. So the better you are

469
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 7: at squirrel hunting, the less social. So let's let's start

470
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 7: with everyone's favorite squirrel dog except for Clay, Tim Tim

471
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 7: to squirreld dog. That guy is practically human, you know,

472
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 7: he the kids we had Tim. We got Tim and

473
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 7: test right in twenty nineteen, and so when we were

474
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 7: all quarantined together at the house in twenty twenty, Tim

475
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 7: he wants to He gets energized by anything that excites you.

476
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 7: So we taught Tim to play to the harmonical or

477
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 7: sing to the harmonica. And when he sings, it's not

478
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 7: like he barks. It's like he sings.

479
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: He's on pitch. I mean, it's beautiful melody. Yeah, better

480
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: than me.

481
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 7: It's almost as if this was what he was born

482
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 7: to do. When you get the harmonica out, he gets

483
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 7: excited and he gets his heart and soul in it.

484
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 7: I mean he doesn't, he doesn't. He doesn't even pretend

485
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 7: like this is not the most important thing.

486
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 6: That assumes that a dog has a soul.

487
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 7: Okay, So moving right along Tim. Bear taught Tim to

488
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 7: respond to a toaster oven when in twenty twenty, when

489
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 7: we were all home, Bear decide.

490
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 6: He saw how easy straight you put it in.

491
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 4: Off.

492
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 7: So Bear realized that Tim just was interested in doing

493
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 7: whatever we wanted to do. And so Bear said, hey, y'all,

494
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 7: whenever I'm going to start toasting these waffles, and whenever

495
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 7: I toast them, everyone when it pops up, everyone make

496
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 7: a big deal. Let's see if we can get Tim.

497
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 6: To do so it's a bright spot during the panel.

498
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 7: It was this is what we did, and we're all

499
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 7: quarty together. And so Tim would see us react and

500
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 7: he would just bark, and he would get excited and

501
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 7: he'd go sit there and we would all celebrate them

502
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 7: and talk about what a good dog he was. The

503
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 7: other day, I put a piece of toast in the

504
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 7: in the toaster, and I'm home by myself, and I'm

505
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 7: working downstairs, and it goes off, and I don't think

506
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 7: anything about it except that Tim is upstairs, and when

507
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 7: he hears that toaster oven go off. Four years later,

508
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 7: he freaks out and just comes to running down the stairs,

509
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 7: howling and barking, and goes right to the closet where

510
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 7: we keep it, I mean just with nuts on it.

511
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: So Tim, so she would sell tests.

512
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 7: Tim cannot be given away test. She is a good dog.

513
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 7: She really is a good but and she's not obnoxious,

514
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 7: like she'll stop barking when you ask her to when

515
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 7: place it's hush, she'll stop. She's really obed that probably

516
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 7: like gives tests Like that's that's too confusing for her.

517
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 7: She's a good dog, but she just doesn't you know,

518
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 7: she comes in the house and she wants in your trash.

519
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 7: She you you bring a cat home, and she trees it.

520
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 7: You know, like she just she is interesting. Yeah, she's

521
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 7: a machine. She's she's not a she's not a friend.

522
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 7: I think O Sage is right in between the two.

523
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 7: She's she has actually got the best. She's not as

524
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 7: easily trained as Tim. I try to get her to

525
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 7: sing to harmonica.

526
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 4: So she always sell tests.

527
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 7: I don't like this question. I don't want to.

528
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't.

529
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 6: I don't know. That was a long monologue to like

530
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 6: take some neutral position.

531
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 7: Well, I mean she's a good girl.

532
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: You know, chicken, she got your broilers, she got your

533
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: meat birds, she got your layers. And then the then

534
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: people try to always sell you on these dual purposes

535
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: and it never works out. So like hearing now that

536
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 3: you got kind of a dual purpose. And they're pretty

537
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: and they're nice and they're fun, but what's going to

538
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 3: put squirrels in the pots?

539
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 6: I would I'd lean hard now.

540
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: On keeping her, on keeping her, Yeah, keeping her?

541
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 10: Wow?

542
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: Wow, you know the price just went up.

543
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 6: A double minded squirrell dog is unstable and.

544
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 7: A single minded he's not getting squirrell.

545
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 4: Well, I'm considering selling the dog.

546
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: That's all, so appreciate it.

547
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 6: So our opinion meant nothing?

548
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 4: Well it did it?

549
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 6: Did?

550
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm thinking about it.

551
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 6: So do we have a price now? Well?

552
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 7: I want to bring in some inside family business that

553
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 7: I probably shouldn't err on the podcast. I think this

554
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 7: tendency when you have something really good that you know

555
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 7: is super valuable to want to sell it, well, I

556
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 7: think it has intergenerational.

557
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: That's happened zero times in my life.

558
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: All Right, No, Tess is worth right now, she's she's

559
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: she's worth something, and soon she won't be. I mean, like,

560
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: people probably aren't going to pay much for a seven

561
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: year old dog that just doesn't have a lot of

562
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: hunting time left.

563
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: But so you know, she's's kind of at that. She's

564
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: definitely older.

565
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: I mean like if you were if you were wanting

566
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: to buy a dog, you'd be hoping to buy two

567
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: three year old dogs.

568
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: So she's five and that's that's the thing.

569
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: And your tax return, she's depreciated.

570
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, great, dad, You just bought a Bronco I did.

571
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four.

572
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 4: Tell us about it. Well, it's just a you know,

573
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: it's a it's a.

574
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 6: Club. Did you have one of the old Broncos?

575
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 4: Noweep I ran with. We were jeeping guys.

576
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 5: And if you came and tried to ride with us

577
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 5: and you you didn't have a jeep, we would just

578
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 5: kind of giggle under our breath, except when a Bronco

579
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 5: pulled up.

580
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 4: Now they could run with the jeeps.

581
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 5: But if you had I'm not gonna mention the brands,

582
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 5: But when you came with something other than a jeep

583
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 5: Ford Taurus, yeah, you know, you just really good off

584
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 5: road rigs.

585
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 4: People we see them all the time, but they just

586
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 4: wouldn't run away. We were running. But the Broncos good.

587
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: And this is this is a city boy rig.

588
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 5: You know, I got my golf clubs in there, and

589
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna take it off road. It's got a

590
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 5: plastic bumper in the plastic front. But if you just

591
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 5: cruise roads and climb hill, I mean, you know, it's

592
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 5: it's pretty capable.

593
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 6: Man.

594
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 5: It's it's locked front and back. Yeah, it's got all

595
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 5: the off road stuff on it. It's it's got what's

596
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 5: called the sasquash package, so it you know, it sets

597
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 5: up high thirty five inch tires or got thirty five

598
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 5: in right at thirty five?

599
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: Has it got a a what I call a vine

600
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: catcher bumper like.

601
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 4: White light and no, no, it passes.

602
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 6: We'll have to get you one of those. Yeah. Can

603
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 6: it make it up my driveway?

604
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 4: I doubt it.

605
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Uh Josh, let's

606
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: let's let's let's do our osilo quiz.

607
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 6: Okay, let's Gary, can you grab those? We got our

608
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 6: marker boards here. Okay, we're gonna pass them out.

609
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 7: We all know he's probably gonna win this one.

610
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 6: Everybody, everybody study up the cards we got I don't

611
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 6: need we gotta.

612
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: All right, So this is this is our fourth episode

613
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: on Ostola and the title was exhuoming Osiola's Grave and uh,

614
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: just a just a little backstory on the on the sequence.

615
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: So the first episode was about Oola's childhood, which was

616
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: really interesting and talked a lot about the Seminoles. The

617
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: second episode was the war years of Ossiola's life when

618
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: he fought in the Seminole wars. Fascinating. The third episode

619
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: was Ossiola's death, which was fascinating. Fourth episode, the epiloguist

620
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: doctor Wickman called it is the exhuming of Osiola's grave.

621
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: So I don't think there's anywhere on the internet that

622
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: you could go to learn more about Osciola in four hours.

623
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: Negative, no way, nothing, no way zero.

624
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 6: The lady you had on there was like incredible.

625
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: She's incredible, she is. And I talked to her this week.

626
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: I called her.

627
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: She hadn't heard any of the episodes. She didn't know,

628
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: you know, she she wasn't up on podcasts.

629
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 4: You know.

630
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 1: She's like, well, how where do you watch it?

631
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: You know?

632
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: And uh, and she she.

633
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: Was like, you know, after you left the other day,

634
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: I thought of so many things that we missed, you know,

635
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: that we could have talked.

636
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 6: About that you didn't cover in the five hours. Yeah, yeah.

637
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: Oh and and and I was, Yeah, I was.

638
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: It was one of the longest and best interviews I've

639
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: ever done on Bear Grease with someone just passionate and knowledge.

640
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 2: I just went on and on about how good she was.

641
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 4: So, yeah, we're.

642
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: Gonna okay, here, we're gonna do a quiz. Here we go,

643
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: So write down your answer, Spence.

644
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 6: Okay, So we're gonna start here. We've got one, two, three, four,

645
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 6: seven questions Okay, yep, and some of them are are

646
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 6: not just based on fact, their conceptual questions. So prepare

647
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 6: short answer. Okay, This first one, according to Seminole tradition,

648
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 6: warriors buried facing east because this when the sun comes up.

649
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 6: What does he use to transition to walk into the afterlife? Wow?

650
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 4: Good question, Josh.

651
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 6: Anybody remember that one? It was in the very opening

652
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 6: section doctor Workman.

653
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 4: Talking about.

654
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: Looks like some people may not have been listening.

655
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 6: Shoot, okay, everybody have their answers.

656
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: Now, I'm I'm plain, but I don't really can't like

657
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: I can't.

658
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 6: We're gonna start with Bear Bear what.

659
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: Had to guess it'd be the ocean?

660
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 6: Okay, Gary, what's yours? Broncos Misty his right leg and Spence,

661
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 6: I got nothing, Okay, Turkey tracks the The correct answer

662
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 6: is when just as the sun's see you threw me

663
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 6: off with his just as the sun's coming up, you

664
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Speaker 6: can see the milky way, and that's uh, that's what

665
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 6: he uses to transition. I was looking at the joke

666
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 6: or the other. Okay, here's another another question that was used.

667
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 6: Hopefully somebody can get this one. It was mentioned in

668
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 6: there when when when the the soldiers were taking a

669
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 6: seola to bury him. What was the name of the

670
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 6: type of coffin that Ossola was buried in? I remember that.

671
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 6: Come on, guys, I'll give you a hint. The first

672
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 6: word of the coffin relates to a part of your body.

673
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 6: I think I know this one. I got it.

674
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 4: You got it, at least I got part of it.

675
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 6: Okay, everybody got their answer.

676
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: Bear ahead coffin, He wouldn't.

677
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 4: Gary toe coffin? Okay, toe coffin.

678
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 6: Misty bronco toepint. Answer is tow pincher. You got one one,

679
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 6: mister Spencer has one. Gary, you get point five for

680
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 6: that one. How about we do point four? Okay? Third question,

681
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 6: what year was Ossiola's grave exemed? That was mentioned many

682
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 6: times everybody, Oh, can we get it in the decade?

683
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 6: Oh no, I would like the exact year. I didn't

684
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 6: put an actual date on there, just a year. I

685
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 6: don't think you mentioned the Actually, no, we didn't. We

686
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 6: didn't say the actual the actual date. Okay, bear, I.

687
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: Should quit going first. I'd say nineteen seventy three.

688
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 4: Gary sixty seven.

689
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 6: Okay, Misty sixty three, sixty five, nineteen sixty seven is

690
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 6: the answer with.

691
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: What were you doing in nineteen sixty seven?

692
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 6: I was just.

693
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: Digging up grade. First year in college, first year at college.

694
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: Really when graduating sixty six?

695
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 4: Yeah?

696
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 6: When were you in the army sixty.

697
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 4: Nine, sixty eight? I think?

698
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 5: So you went to college one year, one year. I

699
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 5: graduated sixty six, college one year, and we go, we're

700
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 5: gonna flunk out, Let's go to Let's go to the

701
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 5: army and fight for a country.

702
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 4: That's what we did now, me and my buddy.

703
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: Realistically, though the Vietnam War was boiling. Yeah, and you

704
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: knew that you were going to be drafted. Tell me

705
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: that story.

706
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 5: Well, my Actually the real story is my dad looked

707
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 5: at me one day and he said, I don't think

708
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 5: you're gonna make it in college boys really, and I go,

709
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 5: I think you're probably right, daddy. I think I'll join

710
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 5: the army. No, no, he was real nice. So I

711
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 5: got my buddy, Jimmy Sears, and I go, Jimmy, it's

712
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 5: time we make a move brother, and he went with

713
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 5: me and we stayed together for three years. And then

714
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 5: about a month after we went in, eight of our

715
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 5: other buddies could have been six, but I think eight

716
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 5: of them all decided, hey, that's a pretty good idea.

717
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 4: So out of Hot Springs, you know, there's like ten

718
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 4: guys that.

719
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 6: A volunteer to go to Vietnam.

720
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, we didn't volunteer to go to Vietnam.

721
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 6: Well, you joined the army went to Europe.

722
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 4: Well, no, we went to Europe.

723
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 5: You know, we signed up an extra year to get

724
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 5: the schooling that we wanted, and we said we'd like

725
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 5: to be postal clerks. Seem pretty safe, yep. Yeah, And anyway,

726
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 5: but you were in Vietnam. Yeah, so I go to

727
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 5: Europe as a postal clerk. Actually I wanted in finance,

728
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 5: but they made me go to postal. So I'm in

729
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 5: Europe for fifteen months. We're traveling, you know, we're seeing Europe.

730
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: Man. This is like a party deal going on.

731
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 5: And all of a sudden we get this little letter

732
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 5: that says, come on boys, we're going to the other

733
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 5: side of.

734
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 4: The world, to Vietnam. So how long are we in Vietnam?

735
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 6: A year?

736
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 3: A year in Vietnam? Okay, I did a year in Iraq.

737
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: My story is almost the same. Dropped out of college

738
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: playing a punk band, September eleventh, joined the army.

739
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 6: You're in Iraq? Wow, graduated U of A when I

740
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 6: got back, so nice.

741
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 4: It is a lot like that. And then here here

742
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: you are.

743
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 6: And being a banker and a farmer's pretty much the

744
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 6: same thing. I'm I'm excited about the future.

745
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 7: I would like to hear Gary Gary Newcomb's punk record,

746
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 7: punk album.

747
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 6: Yeah right. Questions Okay, what was the name of the

748
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 6: man who vandalized the grave of Osceola in nineteen sixty six?

749
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 6: Last name? I will I will take last name.

750
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: As a correct because his family name was Shame.

751
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 6: Oh I remember, I remember? Oh, dang it. I was

752
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 6: going to make a joke. Okay, we're going to start

753
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 6: with the doctor Misty Newcomb.

754
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 7: I may not have gotten to that point of the

755
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 7: podcast because I did talk about this an awful lot

756
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 7: before and bad guy.

757
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 6: Bad guys Okay, bad guy Spencer Shriver Okay, Schneider, Schneider, Schneider.

758
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 6: I remembered it, but by drivers his name Driver?

759
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: Could I get like point two for that?

760
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 6: One point two gets point?

761
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 4: Do I get anything.

762
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 7: One that I would like to get it for the sixties?

763
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 6: Next question? It's another name. The next question is another.

764
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: Let me stop for a minute, though, ODIs Driver was

765
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: the reason that Osciola's grave was exist.

766
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 10: Yes, you because he stolen He claimed to stole his

767
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 10: bones and actually went to Fort Moultrie, broke in there

768
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 10: and dug down into the grave.

769
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: And uh, Misty was telling me that she brought up

770
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: the comedy skit about the people digging holes? Was it

771
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: Nate Barghetsi, Yeah, who's like, Who's like? You know, you

772
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: always hear about people murdering people and digging like shallow graves.

773
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 7: You were talking about how hard landscaping was his life.

774
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 7: His wife wanted to plant some and he was like,

775
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 7: you know, people murder someone and you hear him getting

776
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 7: caught because they didn't bury it deep enough. It's literally

777
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 7: the most important hole you ever dig in.

778
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: Your entire life.

779
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 7: And you're like, now we're just a call quits you.

780
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: Basically just like ticket holes is really hard and uh

781
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: and and so odors shreiver goes to the grave and

782
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: like digs like a foot down and is like, I

783
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: think I'll just say that I got the bones. And

784
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: he actually took animal bones back.

785
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 6: Oh he did take Yeah.

786
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: This wasn't on the podcast.

787
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: What animal He just had some animal bones that he

788
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: you know, like this is Osceola's bones. One does and

789
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 2: buried him and like went on with the whole shtick.

790
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: And so the National Park archaeologists were like, wait a minute,

791
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: did he really And they go to the grave and

792
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: it's like, well, somebody dug. But if there's just a hole,

793
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: you can't tell if they dug six inches or if

794
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: they dug the whole way down. And so the archaeologist,

795
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: which I thought it was kind of funny too, archaeologists

796
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: always want to dig, yes, which I don't blame him,

797
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: it's their job. And he was like, well, we might

798
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: as well assume the whole grave and make casting of

799
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: his bones and you know, just do the whole thing.

800
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: And so this guy in nineteen sixty seven does it,

801
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: and guess who knew the guy.

802
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 4: Like, well, friends, but.

803
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 6: Lady, careful now that we're leading into other questions.

804
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: Okay, well, no, we know Patricia's name.

805
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 4: She knew the guy.

806
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: It's pretty it's pretty interesting.

807
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: I like to point out how good the army is

808
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 3: at digging holes, like they put that casket down deep,

809
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: because that's about the.

810
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 6: Only thing we do wells digging.

811
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I didn't get a bunch of mail in Iraq,

812
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: so I don't even postal clerk and ain't something either,

813
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 3: So but digging holes, we can do it.

814
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 7: It's the second time in this recording that your hole

815
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 7: digging has been that's true, so you must be very

816
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 7: good at that.

817
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, next question on you know, going on what

818
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 6: Clay just said, What was the name of the National

819
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 6: Park official who led the exhumation of Osciola's grave. One

820
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 6: point for first name, which was mentioned several times. Now

821
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 6: Clay didn't get to finish the store. Second point two

822
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 6: points if you can name the full name and doctor

823
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 6: Wickman mentions mentions his name, I call him so and

824
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 6: so because I knew him. Mm hmm man, she'd be

825
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 6: good at this. Okay, mister Spencer will start again. Okay, nothing, Misty,

826
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 6: Johnny Nature John is correct.

827
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 4: Gary we.

828
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 6: Wrong, wrong Bear, it's Bronco. His correct name was John Griffin.

829
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: That's triangles too.

830
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: You know, you don't give up on the play. That's

831
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: what mister Newcomb just proved.

832
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 7: Okay.

833
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 6: And for for our last question, this one's a little

834
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 6: more conceptual. I'll be I'll be the decided.

835
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: I want I want questions that people have to give

836
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: like a speech, and we guess.

837
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 6: This is this is the one. This is the one. Okay,

838
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 6: Actually it's actually two part.

839
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: You can't start with multi to.

840
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 6: What university uses traditional seminal image likeness to represent them.

841
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 6: Everyone should get this one right, Okay, Okay, Misty, Florida

842
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 6: Florida State will take it. Spencer a team even Arkansas

843
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 6: could beat Florida Florida. Point of order, Florida is not correct,

844
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 6: University of those dims the Gators. Not that that's right. Okay,

845
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 6: you didn't earn.

846
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 4: That, I got?

847
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 7: I got?

848
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 6: Okay. If you can't, the university uses seminal image images

849
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 6: and likenesses to represent them. Why is this significant? Well,

850
00:45:52,280 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 6: write it down. Maybe a little too broad, No, it's

851
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 6: not too broad. There was there were a couple of

852
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 6: real specific things that were mentioned by Mayo. Why that

853
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 6: was significant?

854
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 4: Okay, can you repeat the question?

855
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 6: Yes, the University of the Florida State University uses images

856
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 6: and likenesses to represent them. Why is this significant? Okay,

857
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 6: Gary Nukeomb.

858
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 5: It was sanctioned by the Indians themselves. They had they

859
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 5: had an image that they didn't like. The Indians didn't

860
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 5: like it, so they changed it and they approved it,

861
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 5: and they said.

862
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 6: Okay, a one point for Gary Nucomb Misty.

863
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 7: Well, I was going to say it's controversial, but it's

864
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 7: not in this case. It's it's a controversial thing to

865
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 7: do modern in modern times, I mean.

866
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 4: Just like in the last like two years.

867
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 7: Well, that's why Josh didn't ask the question. My follow

868
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 7: up was going to be twenty four what does your

869
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 7: boards say common controversy and Teddy Bear?

870
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 6: Okay, I'll think about this one. Yes, decision making rights accurate, Garb.

871
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 6: I'll accept that because the tribe approach FSU, that's correct,

872
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 6: and they have inputsh agents, it was a partnership with FSU. Bear,

873
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 6: I don't have How is that not the answer? What's

874
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 6: that not the answer? Because they're like one of the

875
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 6: few and clay, What did you write accurate clothing partners,

876
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 6: not mascots. That was the other highlight. Yeah, these are

877
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 6: not These are not mascots. It's the only team I

878
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 6: believe that I know of that doesn't have an official mascot.

879
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 6: What about the utah Utes? Isn't that a isn't that who? UTAs?

880
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 6: What is a unit? I'm probably in the room the

881
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 6: American Tribe. Okay, hey, when.

882
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: I I had it had been a while since I

883
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: thought much about FSU.

884
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 4: They're not trying to throw shade on them.

885
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 6: They're like two and ten this year or something.

886
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: Well, no, but when I when I pulled up and

887
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: saw the war chant in that stadium with you know,

888
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: eighty thousand people, So you.

889
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 3: Saw that that recording? Was that you did you make

890
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: that recording?

891
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 4: No?

892
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: No, okay, no, no, no, no, I I just got it

893
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: off the internet.

894
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: But but uh, but it was.

895
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: It's pretty powerful, especially knowing that there actually is a

896
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: little bit of there's some meat on that rhone that

897
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: they partnered with the tribe, and so you know, an

898
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: actual seminole is the one who rides out on this

899
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: Apple Usa horse with a flaming spear. Well, they do

900
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: their war chant and that's pretty cool. Yeah, i'd be

901
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: really it was. It's pretty cool.

902
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: You think about like the struggle to like to not

903
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: be forgotten by modern society for like Native people's and

904
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 3: that's a whole Like it's ingenious, you know, like because

905
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: I mean it's on display, your your traditions are accurate.

906
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. I think it's I think it's awesome.

907
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do think that there probably are some

908
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,959
Speaker 2: I don't know that everybody likes it, right, I think Chandler.

909
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 4: Demeyo, who was the one who we spoke with, and

910
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 4: he was.

911
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 2: A young guy, and uh uh I have heard not

912
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 2: from him, not from anybody that unofficially, but some of

913
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: the older generations sometimes don't like it.

914
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: That's what I heard.

915
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 6: And I mean, you know, just I appreciated his opinion.

916
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 6: I mean he literally was like giving his opinion. He's like,

917
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 6: I actually think I appreciate the way it's represented. You know.

918
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 6: I think if you're going to have it, involving the

919
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 6: tribe and showing a level of respect not just exploitation,

920
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 6: is valuable.

921
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

922
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Christy and I were talking this morning.

923
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 6: She's like, what what's the takeaway? From this series, and

924
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 6: I think one of the biggest takeaways is just to

925
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 6: to bring awareness to the struggles and the fight and

926
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 6: the the things that have happened over the years. I think,

927
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 6: I think when when that history gets lost, that's when

928
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 6: when cycles are repeated. And so I think this has

929
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 6: been a great, a great series to just bring awareness.

930
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 6: I knew the name Asiola. I didn't know anything about Asiola,

931
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 6: and I think it's important to know.

932
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think you learn I learn a

933
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: lot about American history inside of these things.

934
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 4: Just if you if you listen.

935
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: To all the historical Bear Grease episodes, like it's it's

936
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: not like a class on American history, but yeah, you know,

937
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 2: you learn about Andrew Jackson, you learn about the Indian

938
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: Removal Act, you learn about the kind of the context

939
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: of society and what was going on, just by kind

940
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: of hyper focusing on one little section. And if you

941
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: do that ten times, you kind of you start to

942
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 2: build a bigger story of kind of how things happened.

943
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: Because that's the way it's happened for me. Because I mean,

944
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: I'm not a historian, I'm really not, but and so

945
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm learning.

946
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 4: All this as we go, you know.

947
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 2: But I tell you what I took away from Osceola

948
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 2: is actually how little we knew about him as a person.

949
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: We actually didn't know. He only lived thirty four years

950
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: and there were only like two years of his life

951
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: that he was in the spotlight, you know, we talked

952
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: in kind of to me, that was one of the

953
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: most interesting things about him, was that he had this

954
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 2: like global fame. Yeah, at a time when the world

955
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: was kind of looking on to America in the frontier

956
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 2: and Native Americans, and he was for for like two

957
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: years before he died, he had this global fame, which

958
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 2: he was in prison, wasn't he Well he was in.

959
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 1: Prison for the last three months of those two years,

960
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: you know, and.

961
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: So he would have had very little probably understanding of

962
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 2: his own his own recognition, and that also probably wouldn't

963
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 2: have been something that he would have been that concerned about.

964
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: Like like we did talk about how you know, he

965
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: was known to kind of have an ego, Like that

966
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: was something that a theme that you see that you know, he.

967
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 4: Was just.

968
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: He had some interest in being known for something, but

969
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: that like that was like not his goal.

970
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: You know, But you don't you don't really ever see

971
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 2: you don't ever there's no transcripts of big speeches that

972
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 2: he did.

973
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: There's so much was lost.

974
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: But anyway, what stood out to you, Spence, anything anything

975
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 2: from the whole series?

976
00:52:58,880 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, the whole series.

977
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: It's just you had a quote at the I think

978
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: it was the last one where you you know, you

979
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 3: said with Solomon that there's nothing new under the sun,

980
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: and you talked about like the abortion thing with the

981
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 3: with the woman there, and even just like listening to it,

982
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: you see stuff like even now like we're talking about

983
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 3: not to be political, but millet the military deport you know,

984
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 3: potentially rounding up a large section of population.

985
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:29,959
Speaker 6: And that's what I thought about.

986
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: I thought about And I'm not passing judgment either way,

987
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 3: but you know, it's like every couple hundred years, it's

988
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,919
Speaker 3: just seems like with the Japanese, with the Native Americans,

989
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: and then you know you even just stuff with like

990
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 3: in that what eighteen thirty old AJ was like all

991
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 3: the treaties are, we're not doing them anymore. Yeah, And

992
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 3: like as a veteran who got kind of knocked around

993
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 3: in Iraq, like there's a lot of scuttle but about

994
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: you know, canceling a lot of the VA stuff, and

995
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: you know, people are like, oh, the government never do that.

996
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: And then I'm listening to this series and it's like

997
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 3: like that I'm stepping my fingers, but it's like and

998
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 3: it's just gone. And so I don't know, I just

999
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 3: you know, there's a story of those that don't know

1000
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: the past are destined to repeat it. And I think

1001
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: there's just a lot of value when you take these dives, uh,

1002
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 3: like with Osceola, with comes, with Daniel Boone, you know

1003
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: you or Davy Crockett maybe you did them both. Uh

1004
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 3: you know, Like I just I think we learn a

1005
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 3: lot about ourselves in our our culture, in our society.

1006
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 6: And and and I think I just think it's incredibly valuable.

1007
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think governments are inherently interested in

1008
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 2: their in their best interests.

1009
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's it.

1010
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 2: I mean, that's essentially boils down every decision, good and

1011
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: bad that's been made by governments is that they're they're

1012
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: working in their own self interest, which is is supposed

1013
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: to be in the end interest of the people. But

1014
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: then it's like, well, it can't be an interest of

1015
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: all people. He's got to be interest of maybe the

1016
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: majority of people. But I mean, don't you know, it's

1017
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 2: just like injustice.

1018
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 3: And even like that interplay like you talked about what

1019
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 3: you're talking about earlier about giving these little peaks and

1020
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 3: how people were like the culture was pro pro oh Ciola,

1021
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 3: you know, like people saw him as a hero, you know,

1022
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: at the same time they were looking to to stop

1023
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 3: what he did. And I don't know, so even that

1024
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 3: like interplay between culture and government, it's it doesn't necessarily

1025
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 3: always line up in our society, you know, And that's interesting.

1026
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 3: You could have podcasts upon podcasts like you said earlier

1027
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 3: about about this man and it's legit, you know.

1028
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ostiola Bear, whatsood out to you? Just like whole

1029
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: whole takeaway the whole series.

1030
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the kind of both of you guys

1031
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 8: have said, but just it kind of opened my eyes

1032
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 8: to a lot of history that I would have never

1033
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 8: known it also, and teach you that in school they

1034
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 8: didn't well but you heard some like like you said,

1035
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 8: some like familiar names that you would have learned, you know,

1036
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 8: Andrew Jackson then but then but it was kind of

1037
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 8: interesting to see that side of it.

1038
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 6: Also.

1039
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 8: It kind of, at least for me, removed a lot

1040
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 8: of preconceived kind of stereotypes of like Native Americans and

1041
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 8: stuff like. It just kind of tore down a lot

1042
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 8: of things that you that are just kind of like

1043
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 8: almost built into the.

1044
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, the way that the cultural way that we.

1045
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 8: Would see Native Americans just like in like movies and stuff,

1046
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 8: you kind of have this image, but this definitely like

1047
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 8: tore it down and kind of put them on a

1048
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 8: more you know, realistic level.

1049
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1050
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 8: And then overall I thought the story was like a

1051
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 8: very it was a it was it was a bear

1052
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 8: grease story, you know, like there there were so many

1053
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 8: different aspects to it, and like you said at the

1054
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 8: beginning of the most recent podcast, sometimes the reality is

1055
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 8: you know, I can't remember exactly what you said, but it's.

1056
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 4: Bad than the myth.

1057
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was like his bear grease lye soap

1058
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: to wash that off, all.

1059
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, but like it was wild, like even in

1060
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 8: this last episode, like Osiol has been dead for like

1061
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 8: how many years, like one hundred years, and there's still

1062
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 8: stuff going on and there's still twisting turns in the story.

1063
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1064
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was overall a great series.

1065
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 4: We uh.

1066
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: To ask a specific question about.

1067
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: About the the the child in the grave with Ostiola.

1068
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 4: What do you think about that? Dad? I couldn't even

1069
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 4: relate to it. I mean, it just where this kid

1070
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 4: come from?

1071
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 6: Man?

1072
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe when did you well, maybe I missed something,

1073
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 5: you know, did I write they say something I didn't hear.

1074
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just was like, what about the

1075
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 4: first reader.

1076
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 5: I'm sitting in the back of the class, thinking about

1077
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 5: what I'm gonna do at recess, you know.

1078
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden there's a kid down there.

1079
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 4: All of a sudden there's a test, and I'm going,

1080
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1081
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the way it hit anybody that learns

1082
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: the story. It's like they're digging down to check out

1083
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: Osceola to confirm that he was in fact headless. You know,

1084
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been too surprising for them to get

1085
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: down there and learn that his head was there and

1086
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: that the whole head thing was just a myth, because

1087
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: before there was you know, i mean, the world before

1088
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: video documentation, audio documentation, typewriters, you know, the ability to

1089
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: really document stuff.

1090
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: I mean, the world was just full of you didn't

1091
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: know if something was true or not.

1092
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you know, but when they got down there,

1093
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: they actually confirmed that he did not have a head,

1094
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: and then you know, and the way his body was

1095
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: pushed up way to the front of the grave that

1096
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: he had been dropped in there. And then but I

1097
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: guess the way we have, I guess we really have

1098
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: most of the information that there is. But with the

1099
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: way the information was presented, Josh, what do you think

1100
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: you heard me say that?

1101
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 4: I didn't. It was the only time.

1102
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 2: And it's not like I'm disagreeing with doctor Wickman, but

1103
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: she was very convinced knowing, and I mean, golly, she's

1104
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: got more right to have an opinion than I do.

1105
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: But just in general, I didn't feel like it was

1106
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: really fair to just be like a you know, a

1107
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: mother killed her child and buried it. It was just like,

1108
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 2: wait a minute, we just don't have enough data to

1109
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: say that. I mean, maybe the child got sick. Maybe

1110
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: it was a great coincidence, if there is such a thing,

1111
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: and the child died of pneumonia within hours of ostiola.

1112
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 4: I don't know, what do you think.

1113
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 6: Gosh, I don't know. I mean, that's a tough one

1114
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 6: because there doesn't seem a logical reason for any of it, right,

1115
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, so it's like there's so

1116
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 6: many wild cards that play there that you just it's

1117
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 6: it's hard to even I mean, it's it would be speculation.

1118
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 6: You know, any any possible scenario would be speculating.

1119
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 4: I just thought of something, Why couldn't they do DNA annow.

1120
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 6: But they'd have to exam him again unless they had

1121
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 6: unless they had DNA from when they exemmed him. Because

1122
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 6: I had the same thought, I was like, why don't

1123
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 6: they just do DNA? But they wouldn't have known to

1124
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 6: do DNA testing at that point in nineteen sixty seven.

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01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 7: Do you think that maybe we know more than everyone else.

1126
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 3: It's like a cold case mystery. I mean, this could

1127
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 3: be your next branch of the Beargers podcast.

1128
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: We're going back down.

1129
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 7: Podcast.

1130
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Speaker 4: What do you think?

1131
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 5: I know the answer? It was a graveyard. You know,

1132
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 5: we've got a graveyard. I live in a subdivision. We

1133
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 5: got a graveyard that when y'all were little kids, we

1134
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 5: walked over and had to williams of a tree or

1135
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 5: you know, pulled the witch and sticks and then out

1136
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 5: in the woods. I think I took you to another grave.

1137
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 5: I'm just out hunting. I'm looking here to swimpter well,

1138
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 5: you know those two stones gets moved. You know, they

1139
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 5: buried him and there was a little girl next to him,

1140
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 5: and they didn't know what until nineteen sixty seven.

1141
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 6: I just discovered it. And I hate to bring this

1142
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 6: topic back up for a third time.

1143
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 4: We're going to talk about the vine again.

1144
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 6: Nope, for a third time in this podcast. Digging a

1145
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 6: hole is hard if you've already got a whole point.

1146
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably true, easier to do well.

1147
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: I think what you're saying, Dad makes a lot of sense,

1148
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 2: and it's going to go to this is like, what

1149
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 2: if it was complete coincidence that they just dug a

1150
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 2: straight wall grave that just happened to be right next

1151
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: to right next to where they buried a little a

1152
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: little kid.

1153
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 3: I think the why to me, I think you can

1154
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 3: miss something if you don't con it. Or the fact

1155
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 3: that a new mother's situation is so terrible that she

1156
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 3: saw it as a kindness. Sure, because like when it

1157
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 3: talked about Ossila, and I'm probably saying that wrong, but

1158
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 3: you look at that Clay's got a picture there and

1159
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 3: it's this real proud man. He was covered in lice

1160
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 3: because like of the way he was confined. I mean

1161
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 3: this is you know, like when you when you talked

1162
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 3: about just culturally, like they talked about the tree on

1163
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 3: this piece of property and all that. And now he's

1164
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 3: confined in a cell like where he can't he can't

1165
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: experience like his whole life. And for that woman, their

1166
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 3: whole society, their whole everything, even more so than us,

1167
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 3: like and and and the best case journey is that

1168
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 3: those that child would have went on something that riding

1169
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 3: our own neck of the woods is called the Trail

1170
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 3: of Tears. Yeah, like, I mean there was that they

1171
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 3: were facing horrific and and I don't know, I think

1172
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 3: it takes some of the the sting out that that

1173
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 3: maybe needs to be there to consider why that and

1174
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 3: other reasons why that could yeah, could have been the

1175
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 3: great Does that make sense? Oh?

1176
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I think it's it's perfectly plausible

1177
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: that that it was it was a seminole child that

1178
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 2: could have been you know, in fantaside.

1179
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 3: Because other you said, other society, I know, Greek and

1180
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 3: Romans did that.

1181
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's fairly common that it

1182
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: hunter gathers this ancient hunter gathered societies that you know,

1183
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 2: infantaside was was common.

1184
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: So it's like it's it's it would be in the playbook,

1185
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: you know.

1186
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 2: But so I'm not discounting that bit of a downer,

1187
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: but I'm not discounting it even a little bit. But

1188
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: I also think I hadn't thought of that, Dad. Maybe

1189
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 2: it's just maybe they just dug a hole and just

1190
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 2: happened to be right beside a little infant. And would

1191
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: you have put a big old headstone and done a

1192
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: big old thing for an infant.

1193
01:03:58,720 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 4: Maybe not.

1194
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 2: I mean maybe it just would have been like man

1195
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 2: the child, you know, maybe it was dead when it

1196
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 2: was born and they had to bury it and it

1197
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: was unmarked.

1198
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not connected to osiola at all at all.

1199
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a lot more important issue is that

1200
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 5: his head was in a jar in the picture window

1201
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 5: of the store door.

1202
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean can you imagine that.

1203
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 3: Was it ever reburied like in return?

1204
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 6: No?

1205
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that was a hosted we don't know

1206
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: where it's at, you know, that was that was still missing.

1207
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 2: That was a big part of episode three is that

1208
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 2: it's it's still gone. It's it's and and doctor Patricia

1209
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 2: Wigman thinks it's still out there.

1210
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 4: I mean, what kind of society would want to look

1211
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 4: at a head in front of a dealer's department store.

1212
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 2: Hey, the eighteen hundreds, it was eighteen hundreds were wild, yeah, wild.

1213
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: And they would look at us and say this exact

1214
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: same thing.

1215
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:58,439
Speaker 4: They would look at.

1216
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 2: Some of the brutal of some of the stuff going

1217
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 2: on today and be like, Kyle, Leen, I bet you

1218
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: people had a lot of buckskin stuff in the store

1219
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 2: back then.

1220
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, down on a little rock started.

1221
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 2: Uh, well, Misty, do you have any thoughts on the

1222
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 2: on the on the child.

1223
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 7: No, you know, I'll just say for the whole series,

1224
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 7: and and kind of to spends this point as well,

1225
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 7: and the whole series. I think it was when we

1226
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 7: were I'm ninety percent sure when we interviewed Chief Been

1227
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 7: Barnes for the to come to interview, he said, don't

1228
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 7: talk about us unless you talk with us. That was

1229
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 7: a quote that that their tribe had and that they

1230
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 7: didn't want everyone else to tell their story. They wanted

1231
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 7: to be included in telling their story. And I think

1232
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 7: every time you do one of these series, it just

1233
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 7: it does go to show like we when we interpret history,

1234
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 7: we are interpreting it through a very narrow lens of

1235
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 7: the time on Earth that we were born, where we

1236
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 7: were raised, the cultural norms of our time, and you

1237
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 7: really you can't do that, You've got to And I

1238
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 7: think it is accuracy, yeah, and illuminated, Yeah, a whole

1239
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 7: different way of thinking about things, looking at situations. And

1240
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 7: I think on on both ends, both sides of this thing,

1241
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 7: it it it. There would be just like, why would

1242
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 7: you have a head in a store? That's not something

1243
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 7: that I would have. That to me that that person

1244
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 7: is brutal and they are terrible, and and anyone that

1245
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 7: would do that, But the assumption would be if you

1246
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 7: put it in the store's because that's a not a

1247
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 7: crazy thing to do at that time, that's not quite

1248
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 7: as insane as it seems to us now. But I

1249
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 7: think it also does you you interpret the Seminal people

1250
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 7: and their story differently. And I think, again, Patricia Wickman

1251
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 7: best best interview you've ever done, and she by living

1252
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 7: among them, and I mean she really I felt like

1253
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 7: gate did justice to their to their story and to

1254
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 7: their perspective, and I think it added value to all

1255
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 7: of our all of our lands.

1256
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 6: One of the things I liked about her too, is

1257
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 6: that she probably knew the history better than any one

1258
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 6: individual in the tribe. But at the same time, she

1259
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 6: never tried to like assimilate into them, like she always

1260
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 6: knew like this is their history, not my history, and

1261
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 6: and just held it very honorably. And that was one

1262
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 6: of the things that I really liked about the way

1263
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 6: that she communicated about the Seminoles is that she was

1264
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 6: she was she was telling her story, but she it's

1265
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 6: not like she had weaseled her way into the tribe,

1266
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 6: and she was.

1267
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 11: But it was real clear to me that that the

1268
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 11: thing she was probably most proud of in her career

1269
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 11: at least was that she lived on that reservation with those.

1270
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: People, like she really loved those people.

1271
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, uh, that was very clear.

1272
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 6: I liked her because she was like protective of the truth.

1273
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, like no matter which way cuts like, she's

1274
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 3: just like, no, this is this is how they would

1275
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 3: have been thinking then. Yeah, And sometimes it surprised you

1276
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 3: either way, you know, and it just I really appreciated

1277
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 3: just her her tenacity for.

1278
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:18,959
Speaker 2: Veracity, veracity wow, wow.

1279
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 6: Tenacity for bear grease, tenacity for veracity.

1280
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 2: Well, hey, it's been it's been a great conversation. Thanks

1281
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 2: for thanks for coming up. Dad, and uh, Misty and

1282
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 2: Spence and everybody, uh, anything we're supposed to talk about.

1283
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 6: Josh, I don't think so. I think we covered it.

1284
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 4: Covered it all.

1285
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 6: Yep.

1286
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 2: Well, I'm always a little bit sad when we move

1287
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 2: on from a from a from a character. But something

1288
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 2: that happens pretty often is that people hear the episodes

1289
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 2: and start doing research or they they know something and

1290
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 2: they contact me and they're like, hey, man, you gotta

1291
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 2: you gotta do this, you gotta come talk to this guy.

1292
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 2: And it's always kind of sad because it's like, for

1293
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 2: doing what we do, you kind of have to like

1294
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 2: move on, like like I'm already researching stuff that's going

1295
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 2: to come out and and and I don't want to

1296
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 2: say I'm done with these guys because I feel like

1297
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 2: they kind of stay with me. But uh, but anyway,

1298
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:31,440
Speaker 2: Ostiola heck of a guy toast Osiola