WEBVTT - Jeff McCracken Meets World: The Finale 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:23.360 So, seeing as it's nineteen eighty nine and we're about 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.840 to enter the nineties, I thought we could get a 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:31.720 little bit of help from somebody to just kind of 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:33.840 make it easier to step into the new decade ahead 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:35.479 of us with some of the lingo. 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:37.640 Do you want us to tell you what year it is? 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:38.480 Or no? 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.040 I already know what year it is. It's nineteen eighty nine. Okay, 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:43.160 eighties have been rad. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.519 Eighties have been radical, but eighties have been really been 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:48.120 radical and tubular. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.160 All those both of you insane writer? 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:51.080 What year is that? 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:51.760 Right? 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:52.440 Come on? 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:56.920 Clearly? Will Fredell just told me it was so exactly. 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.120 We're entering a whole new world. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:03.639 Run through the nineties. Ye well, there was coffee in there. 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.280 That is coffee in your hair, in my hair? 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:10.080 Okay, nineteen eighty nine. 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:10.360 I love. 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:11.479 The eighties have been amazing. 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.880 I'm only eight. Well yeah, oh that's great. 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.520 This is even better because as you enter the nineties, 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:19.400 we're going to be hit with all this new lingo, 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.280 and I think we should be prepared. Okay, so maybe 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.240 somebody can teach us a little bit about it. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.080 Easton, can you roll that so we can figure out 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:29.400 how to speak in the nineties, because. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.000 If you've stayed up with the times, you know that 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.880 awesome or big time. We'll get the point across as in, 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.320 that was an awesome evening segment I just saw. Well, 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:38.960 here are some other phrases you want to know if 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.160 you want to be sure to sound hip in the nineties. 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.679 Yo, a greeting, no curb. What's up? 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:50.000 Clutch the Pearls said in amazement or disbelief. 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:55.640 Well you know he's married, Clutch the Pearls. 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.160 Fucked in the eighties. It was just wasted. 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.000 I don't know how many I had, but boy did 0:01:59.040 --> 0:01:59.840 I get fucked. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:01.360 I shift felt to the next morning. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.280 That was really the worst thing I'd ever done. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.160 I hope you didn't drive home no way. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.840 Mcgiver is in the TV show where the impossible is 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:09.799 often accomplished. 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.280 I can't believe you got off that speeding ticket. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:18.640 What a mcgivers Norville too secretly undermine what. 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:23.480 I don't believe you saw your job? You really the novels. 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.119 Black and Decker or a real tough assignment. 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:27.720 You get the analogy right. 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.160 This job is a real grind, just a Black and Decker. 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.240 Some phrases may be around forever. 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.000 Well, look, I got a run five time. 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.880 One last word for words of the nineties, You got 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.760 to remember that hip slang changes rather quickly, so if 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.799 you want to use any of these phrases, you better 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:46.240 use them. 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:46.639 In a hurry. 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.359 I mean, think apart Simpson. Kwabunga is dreadfully out a day, 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.279 horridly out of style. And you don't want to appear bisotic? 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:53.680 Do you. 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:57.200 What issotic? 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:58.280 Bisotic? 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.920 Okay Yo definitely had become popular, sure. 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.000 But when's the last time you norviled somebody. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:07.280 That was a real black and decor. 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.240 But Diver did have a moment where you'd be like 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:14.640 you told me, said no. The way they said it 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.959 was like you got out of us driver, Yeah. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.160 Like you're calling that person mcgiver ver like. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.600 You diver or something. And people were I don't think 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:24.240 they still use it. 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:24.800 How they do? 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.240 How did nobody realize that they were shooting that the 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.760 guy saying I got so bucked last night and man, 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.920 I'm hurting this morning. No one was like, let's maybe 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:36.440 come up with a different scenario. 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.360 No, so I. 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:44.600 Never heard anyone say bucked for drum ever, never What'snorville? 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:45.280 Was there a show? 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.400 There must have been a character from something. 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:52.440 Yeah, that's a weird Noorville Yo. Clutch the pearls. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:52.680 That's it. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.520 That's still around kind of, isn't it. 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.280 But that's an old saying. That's like an old timey saying. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:03.800 And I think the use now is like faux faux outrage. 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.800 So like, you know, she was wearing a pink purse 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.400 with red shoes. Oh no, clutch the pearl gotcha? 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.720 Okay, so there. Yeah. 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.280 I wanted this to be prepared as we hit the 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.560 nineties and these are apparently the big popular slang we're 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:19.200 gonna need to know. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:19.799 Sure. 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:24.080 I mean, I missed Strafty Bright, so it's not my list. 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:31.680 It's not on my list, just like I gotta look 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:32.120 that up. 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.719 I thought the acting was so great and some of 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:36.440 that some of those clips too. I watched that like 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.320 ten times, like, oh god, this is brilliant. 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.839 There was a there was a moment where a group 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.960 of friends from sebastiwo you would call each other Stanley, 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:46.960 which is like calling. 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:47.239 Them a tool. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:52.839 Oh interesting, I kind of remember that Stanley. 0:04:53.520 --> 0:05:02.599 Okay, Stanley, remember cool, let's bring that back so school. Yeah. 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.360 I have noticed people using heck a lot lately. 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.800 Oh my kids love heck like as in hell but 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.080 not hell like what the heck no, but also. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:15.359 Like heck heck yeah, heck yeah, heck. 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:19.120 Yeah, getting good. 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:20.920 Is that just so they don't say the F word? 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:21.400 Yeah? 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.320 Yeah, but it's also just a cooler I don't know. 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:25.599 I don't love it. 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.880 I like heck yeah, heck yeah. I think I like 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.040 heck yeah because it's it's just it has a good like. 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:33.320 I mean, it's a good replacement for. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:34.680 Yeah, he says. 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.320 Keaton says, dang it. I love dang it. 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:43.640 But dang it, dang it, but dang it. 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.040 Welcome to Pond meets World. I'm Danielle fischall right. 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:57.359 Or strong, and I'm bucked. Got the buck last, doesn't 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:58.000 I remember it? 0:05:58.520 --> 0:05:59.120 So bucks? 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:00.360 I really want today. 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:05.320 You didn't home, of course, not. My god could barely sit. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.520 Over the past four years and seven seasons of recaps, 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.120 we hope you've not only learned more about the show 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.560 Boy Meets World, but you've also gotten to know the 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.640 people who made it possible. The folks you didn't see 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.480 on screen are, in most cases, even more important than 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.119 those you did. Making a TV show is hard, making 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:44.400 a good one is sometimes impossible. It's vital to have 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:48.520 strong contributors and departments like wardrobe, hair and makeup, stage managers, 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.200 script supervisors, props, the writer's room. The list goes on 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.880 and on and on. Without a well oiled machine and 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.560 a strong showrunner, it would be very difficult to produce 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:01.080 a show that warrants a rewatch podcast. Forty years later 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.160 and today, as we approached the final episode of Boy 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.680 Meets World to recap, there's only one person from that 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.680 legendary crew we wanted to talk to. He's not only 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.040 the last person to ever yell cut on the Boy 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.520 Meets World stage as the director of the clip show 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.320 adjacent two part series finale, he was also around for 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.960 the entire journey, watching us walk in as bright eyed 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:29.640 teens and leave as jaded twenty somethings. He shaped our performances, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.280 but more importantly, he shaped our lives. While on tour. 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.120 We had numerous listeners talk to us about our guests 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.480 this week, about how calming and caring he seems, how 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.960 it's obvious he was the protection we needed on set, 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.480 How he nurtured our interests outside the sound stage and 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.920 hoped we'd flourish into creative adults. How we're lucky to 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.120 have him. When he came to one of our live 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.200 shows and fans asked to take pictures with him in 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.480 the audience, we couldn't help but smile. We get it. 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:01.240 He rules. This week, to close out our Boy Meets 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:05.600 World recaps, we are talking to actor, producer, director, and painter. 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.680 It's our guy, Jeff McCracken. 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:10.080 Ladies and gentlemen. 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:20.440 You know him. You know him from that volleyball show Chicago. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:24.559 Oh god. 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.560 We were in our last episode we were doing. We 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.840 were talking about we had little some little stings that 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.640 we dropped in Easton dropped in for us, and writer 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:43.320 said he wanted to use the Christopher Nolan dramatic you know, 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:43.840 like all. 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:49.160 The trailers and nowadays there was a man on a planet. 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.600 So now we're just throwing it in everywhere everywhere we can. 0:08:52.760 --> 0:09:03.920 Jack McCracken, there, it is still horrifying, that's it important, 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:04.719 still hard. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.080 Well, Jeff, Well. 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:13.520 I'm for climped. I just watched the episode. I'm for Climped. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:18.520 I gotta tell you, guys, it was a trip, yeah, trip. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:19.040 Yeah trip. 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.480 We were actually surprised to realize that it was a 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.400 clip show that like the last two episodes were all 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:25.079 just clips. 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.200 Yeah, you don't remember that. 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:31.320 No, Well, and we did have a question for you, 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:36.400 Will had made the made the I guess you suggested that. 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.120 Did we shoot one and two as one episode and 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.800 then later they decided to split it? 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.720 No, he was always intended to be split. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:48.000 Okay, all the clips are supposed to be there. 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:48.400 Yeah. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.400 Yeah, they knew they it was a Disney ABC thing, 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.160 and they knew that to put all those clips in 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.920 it would take more than twenty two minutes. So so 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.920 they were totally on board for it, Parker. I mean, 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.920 it was kind of where it was going. We knew 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:08.360 it because at the minute when Matt Nelson wrote it, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.720 you know, he had to he had to address all 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:14.199 those clips, and in the script it was just insert 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:15.680 scripts here, clips here. 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:17.160 It did. That's what we're talking about. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.000 I didn't remember the script actually saying like, Okay, this 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:20.960 is where we're going to put a clip. 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.760 This is where we're Karen McCain and the producer, and 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.640 Matt and Michael and me and Marco. We all sat 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.480 and we you know, we grabbed all these clips. We knew, 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.120 we knew pretty much what we were going to use. 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.640 You know. So that's when we were going, oh, well, 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.880 you know, to write the scene, you knew you had 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.920 to back it up with the clips you had. You 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.680 had the top it with the clips. It's to have meaning. 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:52.000 So we knew where those clips were, we knew the 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.679 basic you know what we needed to grab. 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.000 Okay, yeah, okay, So can you weigh in on the 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.719 question that we've had if if do you remember how 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.760 much discussion there was about a sequel show that we 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.440 were setting up potentially with like us in New York, 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:11.360 Like was that already being talked about. 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.720 It was bantered about. I mean, you never close the door, 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.680 especially when you guys are as popular as you were, 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:23.640 So the idea was, yeah, you always leave the door open. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.880 I don't. That's why it was sort of truncated with 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.640 with Will going to New York. All of a sudden, 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.480 You're going to There was no lead up to that, 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.760 There was no story. There was I shouldn't I shouldn't 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.800 spoil anything for the second episode but part two. But 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:42.840 but but bottom line, that's the genesis of that was 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:47.360 always to say, look, these guys are so beloved and 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.400 in such a hit show that yeah, you want to 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.880 you know, that show had run its course. So you 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.959 guys are off into the new world, the New Land, 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:00.720 and so that was going to be explored. And uh, 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.600 I think Will was going to Eric was going to 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:04.080 become a. 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:08.160 Birth clown. 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:17.720 No, well a professional cuddler who was actually a serial killer. Yeah, no, no, I. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.960 Think I remember Michael telling me that it was that 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.560 Eric was going to become New York's biggest birthday clown. 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:24.000 That was. 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:25.240 He was like, that's how we meet you. 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:26.679 We see you on the subway and you're in a 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.920 full thing of balloons and you're dressed like a full clown. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:30.360 And he was like he was. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:31.840 Trying to sell me on it. I remember just being like, 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.719 this doesn't doesn't that will be? 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.160 You know that? But no, you know, in fact, you're 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.920 bringing something up very close to me, which is which 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.400 is I always thought you know your character and watching 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.360 the show now all seven seasons, and I'll start with 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.960 you first, your character. For me, I think they missed 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:55.480 a huge opportunity or which we did on because there 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.920 were certain episodes where you were really smart and you 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.880 got it, you key didn't to everything and and there 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.680 was a beautiful moment at the end in this in 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.480 this two parter where you and Feeny connect and it's 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.280 it's a beautiful moment about your intelligence and about your 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.679 potential and everything else. And and forget me if I 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.760 get emotional talking about this show, because I just watched it, 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:20.680 and I'm telling you it really affected me deep really did. 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.280 I love you guys so much in the show and 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.600 the characters. I mean, just you guys were so brilliant anyway, 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:30.040 but I just thought that we missed a boat on 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:35.160 developing your character Will in showing off your intelligence. It 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.800 would have been such such a better character to have 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.160 this dichotomy of of him you really being really smart, 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.160 right and and and showing that almost autistic You're like, 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:51.280 you have this dynamic of intelligence that your potential and 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.320 your character and your Joan de viv is such that 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.559 you just can't help yourself, you know. And that was 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.679 the thing that I always felt. May watch all the 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.720 shows now and I'm listening to you guys talk and 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.720 examine and and criticize the show and take it apart, 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:10.880 and it really really, you know, it was a big 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:11.560 miss for me. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:12.680 Yeah, I agree. 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.480 And it's funny that you say that Eric clearly was 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:19.440 on the spectrum yeah. I mean he really, he really was, 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.160 and to play that up in a different way in 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:22.800 the last couple of seasons would have been interesting. We 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:24.680 always talk about one of the things that I think 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.800 would have helped a lot would have been giving him 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:31.720 some sort of a relationship, you know, yes, man, woman, whatever, 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:36.640 but giving him something to you know, to kind of 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:38.080 ground him a little more than he was. 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.440 And I get why they were doing what they were doing. 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.520 You know, they were kind of floating Eric from scene 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.280 to scene to come in with a big, hard laugh. 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:47.600 So I like I understood it. But yeah, I agree 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:48.280 with you one hundred percent. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.720 I would I would like to have seen more Season 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:52.680 five ish Eric. 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.680 Yeah, which also was when Eric was in his most 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.440 most scenes with Phoenie, which was such a great dynamic. 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.200 So like if I had time machine, you know, I 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:06.080 would get rid of the entire uh, you know, Rachel 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.680 Jack storyline. It's it's as much as the you know, 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:13.160 I feel bad saying that, but Eric, like becoming a 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.680 teaching assistant with Feenie would have been like an amazing dynamic, 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.440 you know, like some some workplace dynamic with Feenie and Eric, 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:22.840 you know, at the college together would. 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.480 Have been enough like that that would have been enough. 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.480 Then you could have grass guest stars come in and 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.600 create all kinds of stuff. But I feel like our 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.680 cast got so big, you know, like we added Trina, 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.080 Rachel Jack and then you just feel like, you know, 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.840 Alan and Amy drop off, Pheene drops off, and it's 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:38.360 it's too. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:42.760 Bad Toty and Alex were eliminated, which really really missed 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:47.840 I mean that dynamic. But you know, it's interesting in 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.760 terms of the Eric character. One of the things that 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.760 I really enjoyed in all the episodes and some of 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:55.960 the scenes, you know, it really stuck with me. But 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:57.960 to show that I love working with you the most 0:15:57.960 --> 0:15:59.920 with Will was when you became the weather man. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:01.360 Yeah, and it was. 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.440 It showed you, It showed everybody that you were not 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:10.160 just you know a good yeah. So you know, you 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.040 have real gravitaze as a character. And that's what I 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.360 really missed from that perspective, and and and and you 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.520 know you they would key into it here and there, 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:22.800 but sometimes it was just too short shrifted for me too. 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:23.680 Ed hoc. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.200 Yeah, no, I agree, And I think they tried to 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.440 pull it back a little bit at the end with 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.200 the brotherly shove episode. Is that what it was with 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.440 the with cleaning out the garage? 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.200 But yeah, it was a. 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.800 Little a little too much, a little a little too little. 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.000 Too late, I think with with Eric towards the end there. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.640 And also your scenes with the Rusty were always superb. Yeah, 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:49.240 I love with just just great great you know, quid 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:53.160 pro quo there and and and you know, he's a 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.800 great grounding force forew and you and you gave him 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.880 such h stuff to work with too, so it was 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.800 like it was really a great a great give and take. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.680 But yeah, but that's that's the only the only thing 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.280 other than that, you just you know, your character was brilliant. 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.800 You brought, you brought you know, you brought the joy 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.240 every time you every time you just hit it. 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.199 Well, we can still I mean we talked about this 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.520 the last time you're on, but we can still tell. 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.600 By our performances a Jeff McCracken episode. 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:20.800 Oh yeah, we can't. 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.280 Just we're just more comfortable. Yeah, we don't even it's 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.520 like we just we are. We're a different cast. When 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:28.320 you were directing the show, I mean, we just were. 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.560 Do you remember the conversation around it being was it 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.600 just a given that of course you were going to 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.879 direct the finale, Like, how did that conversation come about? 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:43.160 Very interesting because I had left the company. I had left. 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.840 I just done was directing in My Pitty Blue at 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:50.000 the time, so and I was I had I had 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:51.960 come back. Michael asked me to come back direct the 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:56.800 last show, and uh, I was available, so I said absolutely, 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.119 So I had missed. Really season seven, you know a 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.960 great deal. I came back. I think it directed maybe 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:03.560 one or two earlier, and. 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:09.320 It Yeah, because season seven is uh not our best. 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.040 Yeah, this is also we've talked about it directing wise. 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.920 This was the season of Hey, my friend lives down 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:16.880 the street and wants to come direct an episode. 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:17.879 So we're going to let them. 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.120 And it was kind of like okay, and it's nice 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:25.159 that other people were getting opportunities certainly, but there was 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:25.960 no continuity. 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:27.720 Well I have a question to that, Jeff. 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:29.560 So when you say you left the company, because you 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.440 had been working under Michael Jacob's company, and you had 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.600 been on the feature side doing producing, right, like helping 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.240 produce quiz show and find product and stuff. But so 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.639 when you even when you weren't directing, you were in 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.879 the office always around, so were you you were always 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.399 part of the creative conversation surrounding Boy meets World. 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.720 I wouldn't say always, you know, because because a lots 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.080 of times when I was doing Dinosaurs, for instance, I 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:55.880 wasn't involved with The Boy at all for the first 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.679 two seasons, I mean the run throughs. I would come 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.000 to the shows, but I was involved in that creative 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:02.720 process at Yeah. 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:06.080 And at this point now he had directed Dinosaurs, You Wish, Zoe, Duncan, 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.040 Jack and Jane, and then it had gone on to 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.440 NYPD Blue, So right right, yeah, and. 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.480 I did yeah, And so so the idea for me 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:19.840 was my my focus was features at first Dinosaurs and 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.960 then the features, but then when I got a Boy, 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:25.639 it became Boy. I mean I just loved it. I 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:27.760 just found a home there. It was just the best. 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.480 And and then then I then we started directing the 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:35.240 other shows, and that's when I my my my again. 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.679 My attention was, you know, hiring writing staffs for all 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:42.800 the other shows and developing material and storylines all that 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.800 stuff or the other shows. So it became very fractured, 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:48.959 and I think it shows. I think it shows in 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:53.199 terms of the focus on Boy, because we had some 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:55.560 great writers. Don't get me wrong, and I love our writers, 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.720 but but just there's just so much attention you can give. 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:02.119 And my Michael was just we had like four shows 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:05.280 on the air one time. Yeah, it was just crazy. 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.000 And I don't know how he did it, you know, 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.000 as my wife said, I never saw you you and 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:15.479 you were you basically seven years but I you know, 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:17.600 it was just uh, it was a great time, great 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.399 great you know amount And I credit you guys for 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.160 holding the forward every show, you know, bringing it, bringing it. 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:28.120 Your characters were always you know, front and center and uh, indelible. 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:35.720 And watching the last episode, these last two episodes, it's 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:41.560