Speaker 1: So, seeing as it's nineteen eighty nine and we're about
Speaker 1: to enter the nineties, I thought we could get a
Speaker 1: little bit of help from somebody to just kind of
Speaker 1: make it easier to step into the new decade ahead
Speaker 1: of us with some of the lingo.
Speaker 2: Do you want us to tell you what year it is?
Speaker 2: Or no?
Speaker 1: I already know what year it is. It's nineteen eighty nine. Okay,
Speaker 1: eighties have been rad.
Speaker 3: Eighties have been radical, but eighties have been really been
Speaker 3: radical and tubular.
Speaker 2: All those both of you insane writer?
Speaker 4: What year is that?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 6: Come on?
Speaker 3: Clearly? Will Fredell just told me it was so exactly.
Speaker 3: We're entering a whole new world.
Speaker 2: Run through the nineties. Ye well, there was coffee in there.
Speaker 4: That is coffee in your hair, in my hair?
Speaker 2: Okay, nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 6: I love.
Speaker 2: The eighties have been amazing.
Speaker 6: I'm only eight. Well yeah, oh that's great.
Speaker 1: This is even better because as you enter the nineties,
Speaker 1: we're going to be hit with all this new lingo,
Speaker 1: and I think we should be prepared. Okay, so maybe
Speaker 1: somebody can teach us a little bit about it.
Speaker 6: Easton, can you roll that so we can figure out
Speaker 6: how to speak in the nineties, because.
Speaker 5: If you've stayed up with the times, you know that
Speaker 5: awesome or big time. We'll get the point across as in,
Speaker 5: that was an awesome evening segment I just saw. Well,
Speaker 5: here are some other phrases you want to know if
Speaker 5: you want to be sure to sound hip in the nineties.
Speaker 6: Yo, a greeting, no curb. What's up?
Speaker 4: Clutch the Pearls said in amazement or disbelief.
Speaker 7: Well you know he's married, Clutch the Pearls.
Speaker 8: Fucked in the eighties. It was just wasted.
Speaker 6: I don't know how many I had, but boy did
Speaker 6: I get fucked.
Speaker 9: I shift felt to the next morning.
Speaker 6: That was really the worst thing I'd ever done.
Speaker 8: I hope you didn't drive home no way.
Speaker 5: Mcgiver is in the TV show where the impossible is
Speaker 5: often accomplished.
Speaker 6: I can't believe you got off that speeding ticket.
Speaker 5: What a mcgivers Norville too secretly undermine what.
Speaker 8: I don't believe you saw your job? You really the novels.
Speaker 5: Black and Decker or a real tough assignment.
Speaker 8: You get the analogy right.
Speaker 3: This job is a real grind, just a Black and Decker.
Speaker 8: Some phrases may be around forever.
Speaker 6: Well, look, I got a run five time.
Speaker 5: One last word for words of the nineties, You got
Speaker 5: to remember that hip slang changes rather quickly, so if
Speaker 5: you want to use any of these phrases, you better
Speaker 5: use them.
Speaker 8: In a hurry.
Speaker 5: I mean, think apart Simpson. Kwabunga is dreadfully out a day,
Speaker 5: horridly out of style. And you don't want to appear bisotic?
Speaker 8: Do you.
Speaker 4: What issotic?
Speaker 2: Bisotic?
Speaker 4: Okay Yo definitely had become popular, sure.
Speaker 6: But when's the last time you norviled somebody.
Speaker 2: That was a real black and decor.
Speaker 3: But Diver did have a moment where you'd be like
Speaker 3: you told me, said no. The way they said it
Speaker 3: was like you got out of us driver, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like you're calling that person mcgiver ver like.
Speaker 4: You diver or something. And people were I don't think
Speaker 4: they still use it.
Speaker 2: How they do?
Speaker 1: How did nobody realize that they were shooting that the
Speaker 1: guy saying I got so bucked last night and man,
Speaker 1: I'm hurting this morning. No one was like, let's maybe
Speaker 1: come up with a different scenario.
Speaker 6: No, so I.
Speaker 2: Never heard anyone say bucked for drum ever, never What'snorville?
Speaker 2: Was there a show?
Speaker 4: There must have been a character from something.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a weird Noorville Yo. Clutch the pearls.
Speaker 8: That's it.
Speaker 6: That's still around kind of, isn't it.
Speaker 4: But that's an old saying. That's like an old timey saying.
Speaker 2: And I think the use now is like faux faux outrage.
Speaker 2: So like, you know, she was wearing a pink purse
Speaker 2: with red shoes. Oh no, clutch the pearl gotcha?
Speaker 6: Okay, so there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wanted this to be prepared as we hit the
Speaker 1: nineties and these are apparently the big popular slang we're
Speaker 1: gonna need to know.
Speaker 8: Sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, I missed Strafty Bright, so it's not my list.
Speaker 2: It's not on my list, just like I gotta look
Speaker 2: that up.
Speaker 6: I thought the acting was so great and some of
Speaker 6: that some of those clips too. I watched that like
Speaker 6: ten times, like, oh god, this is brilliant.
Speaker 3: There was a there was a moment where a group
Speaker 3: of friends from sebastiwo you would call each other Stanley,
Speaker 3: which is like calling.
Speaker 4: Them a tool.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, I kind of remember that Stanley.
Speaker 4: Okay, Stanley, remember cool, let's bring that back so school. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I have noticed people using heck a lot lately.
Speaker 1: Oh my kids love heck like as in hell but
Speaker 1: not hell like what the heck no, but also.
Speaker 2: Like heck heck yeah, heck yeah, heck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, getting good.
Speaker 6: Is that just so they don't say the F word?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's also just a cooler I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't love it.
Speaker 3: I like heck yeah, heck yeah. I think I like
Speaker 3: heck yeah because it's it's just it has a good like.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a good replacement for.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he says.
Speaker 2: Keaton says, dang it. I love dang it.
Speaker 1: But dang it, dang it, but dang it.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Pond meets World. I'm Danielle fischall right.
Speaker 4: Or strong, and I'm bucked. Got the buck last, doesn't
Speaker 4: I remember it?
Speaker 6: So bucks?
Speaker 4: I really want today.
Speaker 6: You didn't home, of course, not. My god could barely sit.
Speaker 2: Over the past four years and seven seasons of recaps,
Speaker 2: we hope you've not only learned more about the show
Speaker 2: Boy Meets World, but you've also gotten to know the
Speaker 2: people who made it possible. The folks you didn't see
Speaker 2: on screen are, in most cases, even more important than
Speaker 2: those you did. Making a TV show is hard, making
Speaker 2: a good one is sometimes impossible. It's vital to have
Speaker 2: strong contributors and departments like wardrobe, hair and makeup, stage managers,
Speaker 2: script supervisors, props, the writer's room. The list goes on
Speaker 2: and on and on. Without a well oiled machine and
Speaker 2: a strong showrunner, it would be very difficult to produce
Speaker 2: a show that warrants a rewatch podcast. Forty years later
Speaker 2: and today, as we approached the final episode of Boy
Speaker 2: Meets World to recap, there's only one person from that
Speaker 2: legendary crew we wanted to talk to. He's not only
Speaker 2: the last person to ever yell cut on the Boy
Speaker 2: Meets World stage as the director of the clip show
Speaker 2: adjacent two part series finale, he was also around for
Speaker 2: the entire journey, watching us walk in as bright eyed
Speaker 2: teens and leave as jaded twenty somethings. He shaped our performances,
Speaker 2: but more importantly, he shaped our lives. While on tour.
Speaker 2: We had numerous listeners talk to us about our guests
Speaker 2: this week, about how calming and caring he seems, how
Speaker 2: it's obvious he was the protection we needed on set,
Speaker 2: How he nurtured our interests outside the sound stage and
Speaker 2: hoped we'd flourish into creative adults. How we're lucky to
Speaker 2: have him. When he came to one of our live
Speaker 2: shows and fans asked to take pictures with him in
Speaker 2: the audience, we couldn't help but smile. We get it.
Speaker 2: He rules. This week, to close out our Boy Meets
Speaker 2: World recaps, we are talking to actor, producer, director, and painter.
Speaker 2: It's our guy, Jeff McCracken.
Speaker 8: Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 6: You know him. You know him from that volleyball show Chicago.
Speaker 8: Oh god.
Speaker 2: We were in our last episode we were doing. We
Speaker 2: were talking about we had little some little stings that
Speaker 2: we dropped in Easton dropped in for us, and writer
Speaker 2: said he wanted to use the Christopher Nolan dramatic you know,
Speaker 2: like all.
Speaker 3: The trailers and nowadays there was a man on a planet.
Speaker 3: So now we're just throwing it in everywhere everywhere we can.
Speaker 10: Jack McCracken, there, it is still horrifying, that's it important,
Speaker 10: still hard.
Speaker 2: Well, Jeff, Well.
Speaker 8: I'm for climped. I just watched the episode. I'm for Climped.
Speaker 8: I gotta tell you, guys, it was a trip, yeah, trip.
Speaker 4: Yeah trip.
Speaker 3: We were actually surprised to realize that it was a
Speaker 3: clip show that like the last two episodes were all
Speaker 3: just clips.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you don't remember that.
Speaker 2: No, Well, and we did have a question for you,
Speaker 2: Will had made the made the I guess you suggested that.
Speaker 2: Did we shoot one and two as one episode and
Speaker 2: then later they decided to split it?
Speaker 8: No, he was always intended to be split.
Speaker 4: Okay, all the clips are supposed to be there.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they knew they it was a Disney ABC thing,
Speaker 8: and they knew that to put all those clips in
Speaker 8: it would take more than twenty two minutes. So so
Speaker 8: they were totally on board for it, Parker. I mean,
Speaker 8: it was kind of where it was going. We knew
Speaker 8: it because at the minute when Matt Nelson wrote it,
Speaker 8: you know, he had to he had to address all
Speaker 8: those clips, and in the script it was just insert
Speaker 8: scripts here, clips here.
Speaker 6: It did. That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I didn't remember the script actually saying like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is where we're going to put a clip.
Speaker 8: This is where we're Karen McCain and the producer, and
Speaker 8: Matt and Michael and me and Marco. We all sat
Speaker 8: and we you know, we grabbed all these clips. We knew,
Speaker 8: we knew pretty much what we were going to use.
Speaker 8: You know. So that's when we were going, oh, well,
Speaker 8: you know, to write the scene, you knew you had
Speaker 8: to back it up with the clips you had. You
Speaker 8: had the top it with the clips. It's to have meaning.
Speaker 8: So we knew where those clips were, we knew the
Speaker 8: basic you know what we needed to grab.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay, So can you weigh in on the
Speaker 3: question that we've had if if do you remember how
Speaker 3: much discussion there was about a sequel show that we
Speaker 3: were setting up potentially with like us in New York,
Speaker 3: Like was that already being talked about.
Speaker 8: It was bantered about. I mean, you never close the door,
Speaker 8: especially when you guys are as popular as you were,
Speaker 8: So the idea was, yeah, you always leave the door open.
Speaker 8: I don't. That's why it was sort of truncated with
Speaker 8: with Will going to New York. All of a sudden,
Speaker 8: You're going to There was no lead up to that,
Speaker 8: There was no story. There was I shouldn't I shouldn't
Speaker 8: spoil anything for the second episode but part two. But
Speaker 8: but but bottom line, that's the genesis of that was
Speaker 8: always to say, look, these guys are so beloved and
Speaker 8: in such a hit show that yeah, you want to
Speaker 8: you know, that show had run its course. So you
Speaker 8: guys are off into the new world, the New Land,
Speaker 8: and so that was going to be explored. And uh,
Speaker 8: I think Will was going to Eric was going to
Speaker 8: become a.
Speaker 6: Birth clown.
Speaker 8: No, well a professional cuddler who was actually a serial killer. Yeah, no, no, I.
Speaker 1: Think I remember Michael telling me that it was that
Speaker 1: Eric was going to become New York's biggest birthday clown.
Speaker 8: That was.
Speaker 6: He was like, that's how we meet you.
Speaker 1: We see you on the subway and you're in a
Speaker 1: full thing of balloons and you're dressed like a full clown.
Speaker 8: And he was like he was.
Speaker 6: Trying to sell me on it. I remember just being like,
Speaker 6: this doesn't doesn't that will be?
Speaker 8: You know that? But no, you know, in fact, you're
Speaker 8: bringing something up very close to me, which is which
Speaker 8: is I always thought you know your character and watching
Speaker 8: the show now all seven seasons, and I'll start with
Speaker 8: you first, your character. For me, I think they missed
Speaker 8: a huge opportunity or which we did on because there
Speaker 8: were certain episodes where you were really smart and you
Speaker 8: got it, you key didn't to everything and and there
Speaker 8: was a beautiful moment at the end in this in
Speaker 8: this two parter where you and Feeny connect and it's
Speaker 8: it's a beautiful moment about your intelligence and about your
Speaker 8: potential and everything else. And and forget me if I
Speaker 8: get emotional talking about this show, because I just watched it,
Speaker 8: and I'm telling you it really affected me deep really did.
Speaker 8: I love you guys so much in the show and
Speaker 8: the characters. I mean, just you guys were so brilliant anyway,
Speaker 8: but I just thought that we missed a boat on
Speaker 8: developing your character Will in showing off your intelligence. It
Speaker 8: would have been such such a better character to have
Speaker 8: this dichotomy of of him you really being really smart,
Speaker 8: right and and and showing that almost autistic You're like,
Speaker 8: you have this dynamic of intelligence that your potential and
Speaker 8: your character and your Joan de viv is such that
Speaker 8: you just can't help yourself, you know. And that was
Speaker 8: the thing that I always felt. May watch all the
Speaker 8: shows now and I'm listening to you guys talk and
Speaker 8: examine and and criticize the show and take it apart,
Speaker 8: and it really really, you know, it was a big
Speaker 8: miss for me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: And it's funny that you say that Eric clearly was
Speaker 1: on the spectrum yeah. I mean he really, he really was,
Speaker 1: and to play that up in a different way in
Speaker 1: the last couple of seasons would have been interesting. We
Speaker 1: always talk about one of the things that I think
Speaker 1: would have helped a lot would have been giving him
Speaker 1: some sort of a relationship, you know, yes, man, woman, whatever,
Speaker 1: but giving him something to you know, to kind of
Speaker 1: ground him a little more than he was.
Speaker 6: And I get why they were doing what they were doing.
Speaker 1: You know, they were kind of floating Eric from scene
Speaker 1: to scene to come in with a big, hard laugh.
Speaker 6: So I like I understood it. But yeah, I agree
Speaker 6: with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I would I would like to have seen more Season
Speaker 1: five ish Eric.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which also was when Eric was in his most
Speaker 3: most scenes with Phoenie, which was such a great dynamic.
Speaker 3: So like if I had time machine, you know, I
Speaker 3: would get rid of the entire uh, you know, Rachel
Speaker 3: Jack storyline. It's it's as much as the you know,
Speaker 3: I feel bad saying that, but Eric, like becoming a
Speaker 3: teaching assistant with Feenie would have been like an amazing dynamic,
Speaker 3: you know, like some some workplace dynamic with Feenie and Eric,
Speaker 3: you know, at the college together would.
Speaker 4: Have been enough like that that would have been enough.
Speaker 3: Then you could have grass guest stars come in and
Speaker 3: create all kinds of stuff. But I feel like our
Speaker 3: cast got so big, you know, like we added Trina,
Speaker 3: Rachel Jack and then you just feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: Alan and Amy drop off, Pheene drops off, and it's
Speaker 3: it's too.
Speaker 8: Bad Toty and Alex were eliminated, which really really missed
Speaker 8: I mean that dynamic. But you know, it's interesting in
Speaker 8: terms of the Eric character. One of the things that
Speaker 8: I really enjoyed in all the episodes and some of
Speaker 8: the scenes, you know, it really stuck with me. But
Speaker 8: to show that I love working with you the most
Speaker 8: with Will was when you became the weather man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 8: It showed you, It showed everybody that you were not
Speaker 8: just you know a good yeah. So you know, you
Speaker 8: have real gravitaze as a character. And that's what I
Speaker 8: really missed from that perspective, and and and and you
Speaker 8: know you they would key into it here and there,
Speaker 8: but sometimes it was just too short shrifted for me too.
Speaker 8: Ed hoc.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree, And I think they tried to
Speaker 1: pull it back a little bit at the end with
Speaker 1: the brotherly shove episode. Is that what it was with
Speaker 1: the with cleaning out the garage?
Speaker 6: But yeah, it was a.
Speaker 1: Little a little too much, a little a little too little.
Speaker 6: Too late, I think with with Eric towards the end there.
Speaker 8: And also your scenes with the Rusty were always superb. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I love with just just great great you know, quid
Speaker 8: pro quo there and and and you know, he's a
Speaker 8: great grounding force forew and you and you gave him
Speaker 8: such h stuff to work with too, so it was
Speaker 8: like it was really a great a great give and take.
Speaker 8: But yeah, but that's that's the only the only thing
Speaker 8: other than that, you just you know, your character was brilliant.
Speaker 8: You brought, you brought you know, you brought the joy
Speaker 8: every time you every time you just hit it.
Speaker 1: Well, we can still I mean we talked about this
Speaker 1: the last time you're on, but we can still tell.
Speaker 6: By our performances a Jeff McCracken episode.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we can't.
Speaker 1: Just we're just more comfortable. Yeah, we don't even it's
Speaker 1: like we just we are. We're a different cast. When
Speaker 1: you were directing the show, I mean, we just were.
Speaker 2: Do you remember the conversation around it being was it
Speaker 2: just a given that of course you were going to
Speaker 2: direct the finale, Like, how did that conversation come about?
Speaker 8: Very interesting because I had left the company. I had left.
Speaker 8: I just done was directing in My Pitty Blue at
Speaker 8: the time, so and I was I had I had
Speaker 8: come back. Michael asked me to come back direct the
Speaker 8: last show, and uh, I was available, so I said absolutely,
Speaker 8: So I had missed. Really season seven, you know a
Speaker 8: great deal. I came back. I think it directed maybe
Speaker 8: one or two earlier, and.
Speaker 3: It Yeah, because season seven is uh not our best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is also we've talked about it directing wise.
Speaker 1: This was the season of Hey, my friend lives down
Speaker 1: the street and wants to come direct an episode.
Speaker 6: So we're going to let them.
Speaker 1: And it was kind of like okay, and it's nice
Speaker 1: that other people were getting opportunities certainly, but there was
Speaker 1: no continuity.
Speaker 4: Well I have a question to that, Jeff.
Speaker 3: So when you say you left the company, because you
Speaker 3: had been working under Michael Jacob's company, and you had
Speaker 3: been on the feature side doing producing, right, like helping
Speaker 3: produce quiz show and find product and stuff. But so
Speaker 3: when you even when you weren't directing, you were in
Speaker 3: the office always around, so were you you were always
Speaker 3: part of the creative conversation surrounding Boy meets World.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't say always, you know, because because a lots
Speaker 8: of times when I was doing Dinosaurs, for instance, I
Speaker 8: wasn't involved with The Boy at all for the first
Speaker 8: two seasons, I mean the run throughs. I would come
Speaker 8: to the shows, but I was involved in that creative
Speaker 8: process at Yeah.
Speaker 2: And at this point now he had directed Dinosaurs, You Wish, Zoe, Duncan,
Speaker 2: Jack and Jane, and then it had gone on to
Speaker 2: NYPD Blue, So right right, yeah, and.
Speaker 8: I did yeah, And so so the idea for me
Speaker 8: was my my focus was features at first Dinosaurs and
Speaker 8: then the features, but then when I got a Boy,
Speaker 8: it became Boy. I mean I just loved it. I
Speaker 8: just found a home there. It was just the best.
Speaker 8: And and then then I then we started directing the
Speaker 8: other shows, and that's when I my my my again.
Speaker 8: My attention was, you know, hiring writing staffs for all
Speaker 8: the other shows and developing material and storylines all that
Speaker 8: stuff or the other shows. So it became very fractured,
Speaker 8: and I think it shows. I think it shows in
Speaker 8: terms of the focus on Boy, because we had some
Speaker 8: great writers. Don't get me wrong, and I love our writers,
Speaker 8: but but just there's just so much attention you can give.
Speaker 8: And my Michael was just we had like four shows
Speaker 8: on the air one time. Yeah, it was just crazy.
Speaker 8: And I don't know how he did it, you know,
Speaker 8: as my wife said, I never saw you you and
Speaker 8: you were you basically seven years but I you know,
Speaker 8: it was just uh, it was a great time, great
Speaker 8: great you know amount And I credit you guys for
Speaker 8: holding the forward every show, you know, bringing it, bringing it.
Speaker 8: Your characters were always you know, front and center and uh, indelible.
Speaker 8: And watching the last episode, these last two episodes, it's
Speaker 8: amazing how your characters are just so iconic, they become
Speaker 8: almost archetypal. You know, it's just amazing, amazing characters, and
Speaker 8: you brought it off through good and bad. Your podcasts
Speaker 8: have been just sensational. Let me just tell you something.
Speaker 8: I've learned so much listening to them so much. It's
Speaker 8: been great. Sometimes you know, not so great.
Speaker 6: But is there okay?
Speaker 1: So when when do you has there been a time
Speaker 1: that you've been screaming at your radio because we clearly
Speaker 1: have got something horribly wrong.
Speaker 6: All wrong, and you're like Oh my god, that's not
Speaker 6: even close.
Speaker 8: I have to say, it's on the other side of that,
Speaker 8: I've been surprised more often how right you were and
Speaker 8: how and how astute you are and and and from
Speaker 8: your perspective and seeing it in hindsight, you know, that's
Speaker 8: that's that's why you know, I look at you as
Speaker 8: as adults now and you're you've got families, and you're married,
Speaker 8: and it's like, uh, you have a totally different viewpoint
Speaker 8: of this of the show now, and it's what's been
Speaker 8: so refreshing. And to hear you talk about it not
Speaker 8: from your personal standpoint, but also as adults looking back.
Speaker 8: And that would gives me an idea of asking you
Speaker 8: if you could talk to yourselves. Yes we may have
Speaker 8: Dori address this and maybe some podcasts, but if you
Speaker 8: could address yourself as yourself back in the day now,
Speaker 8: granted it was seven years of growth, was there a
Speaker 8: particular point in the show that you would want to
Speaker 8: give yourself advice at this point?
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, it's just clearly like be present,
Speaker 3: like because by season six I'm so happy in it
Speaker 3: as an actor. I can see it, you know, like
Speaker 3: because when I because it's so you know, when I
Speaker 3: before we did the podcast, when I remembered Boy Meets World,
Speaker 3: I remembered season six and seven, and so it was
Speaker 3: such a surprise to go back and see how good
Speaker 3: the show was out of the gate, and also to
Speaker 3: be impressed with little Writer and be like, dude, writer,
Speaker 3: you were bringing it, like there's something cool here that
Speaker 3: you were doing, and like, especially when we got into
Speaker 3: season two and three with you directing, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is like you know, all the
Speaker 3: Tony stuff. I was like, this is great stuff, Like
Speaker 3: you should be proud of this. Why did I spend
Speaker 3: so much time? And then I get to season six,
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's why I stopped caring, you know, Like
Speaker 3: I wanted to go to colle I was going to college,
Speaker 3: and I'm I'm I'm I feel like I was a
Speaker 3: missed opportunity, you know, because I look at like what
Speaker 3: Will was doing, which was just committing wholehearted, like this
Speaker 3: is your career, man, this is your life, you know.
Speaker 3: But I was seventeen. I wanted to do other things
Speaker 3: to be you know, I wanted to like break out
Speaker 3: and become a different person, and I felt that the
Speaker 3: show was holding me back, and I would love to
Speaker 3: go back and tell, you know, a little writer, like,
Speaker 3: it's not going to hold you back, dude, you could
Speaker 3: still be great in the show and go to college
Speaker 3: like you know, you just show up when you're there
Speaker 3: and like, actually, but I'm kind of happy in it
Speaker 3: and that sucks.
Speaker 8: You know. That's a bummer half thing, though it is
Speaker 8: kind of plays into the cool character of sure.
Speaker 2: To claim it is a choice.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 3: It's I actually think they unfortunately they they didn't know
Speaker 3: how to write to me anymore. Like, because we talked
Speaker 3: about on the podcast, like they just Sean just became
Speaker 3: generic angst right, like emotional in emotional inability to express
Speaker 3: himself and like that's actually very uninteresting to watch, I
Speaker 3: would say. And I think that there were you know,
Speaker 3: they were better versions of that earlier when I was
Speaker 3: younger and with Tony and like, and I think as
Speaker 3: the older they got lazy and I got lazy, and
Speaker 3: so Sean just kind of became this like I just
Speaker 3: get a deal, No Angela, I'm not ready for this.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, well, let's let's dig it a little deeper,
Speaker 3: let's find you know. And I think if I had
Speaker 3: been more president as an actor. They also would have
Speaker 3: been more president. We would have like met somewhere more interesting,
Speaker 3: so you know, but yeah, it's it's it.
Speaker 8: Bums me out, I get, you know, and I totally
Speaker 8: support that. I think you're right and this sense that
Speaker 8: I think that from a writer's standpoint, I think they
Speaker 8: let the ball down. I think they dropped the ball
Speaker 8: with you and in respects to not giving you the
Speaker 8: next step of your development, right, they kept you kind
Speaker 8: of you know, one tone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we all got stuck on it.
Speaker 8: And that's when you get and then it's not that
Speaker 8: your fault that you got kind of like, well what
Speaker 8: am I doing here? You know a thing? You know,
Speaker 8: give me something challenging and I'll you know you man
Speaker 8: at the bar, I know you would.
Speaker 2: Right, you all did every time, you know, well do
Speaker 2: you want to go?
Speaker 6: H yeah, Mine would be exactly what we talked about.
Speaker 1: I'd go back to probably season six, the start of
Speaker 1: season six, and I wish I took more ownership over Eric,
Speaker 1: meaning like I would like to have gone. I don't
Speaker 1: other than to kind of shoot the hang out and
Speaker 1: have some fun. I never really may other than once
Speaker 1: or twice went to the writer's room and was like,
Speaker 1: this is what I'd like to do, This is where
Speaker 1: I'd like to see the character going, this is what
Speaker 1: I and so I would do that if I could
Speaker 1: go back and do it again, because I would have
Speaker 1: grounded Eric a lot more in season seven.
Speaker 6: But this is you know, did you feel you could
Speaker 6: do that?
Speaker 1: It wasn't that I did, you know. It wasn't that
Speaker 1: I didn't feel I could. It was always an open
Speaker 1: room to where you know. It was never like, oh,
Speaker 1: we were not allowed in there. So I certainly wouldn't
Speaker 1: have didn't feel that way by that point. My mental
Speaker 1: illness had kicked in something fierce between season six and seven,
Speaker 1: so that was a whole nother reason.
Speaker 6: But even before that.
Speaker 1: I prided myself on the idea of no matter what
Speaker 1: you give me, I'll make it funny. And that's probably
Speaker 1: as an actor not the way to go. It should
Speaker 1: be more, let's work on the character and make sure
Speaker 1: you know this is so asinine, like again by sneezing
Speaker 1: the lottery numbers. It's kind of like I would love
Speaker 1: to have gone and been like, guys, this is where
Speaker 1: this is now absurd. Let's let's let's ground it let's
Speaker 1: give him somewhere to go. But that was I mean,
Speaker 1: that's on me as an actor. I didn't it was
Speaker 1: you know, somebody once said of me, You're the funniest,
Speaker 1: laziest actor I've ever met in my life, and I.
Speaker 6: Think that's probably accurate.
Speaker 1: Where it was just I wasn't really putting in a
Speaker 1: ton of work. I was putting in work on the set,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't. It became so easily for me that
Speaker 1: I wasn't taking acting classes. I wasn't working on the craft,
Speaker 1: which is something that you need to do. This is Yeah,
Speaker 1: being the cute kid that can be in a Skittles
Speaker 1: commercial only takes you so far and eventually you have
Speaker 1: to say, no, this is this is important. This is
Speaker 1: something that needs study, It needs reflection, and it needs
Speaker 1: to break down a character. I need to learn how
Speaker 1: to do this. And I never took ownership of my
Speaker 1: career in that way. I just guided on the I.
Speaker 6: Can smile and be funny, and that's you know, I
Speaker 6: can glide on that.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 4: Because you're not gliding, you're succeeding. I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 4: You're getting paid very well. We're you know, we're we're
Speaker 4: at the height.
Speaker 2: Of I'm so happy you guys were getting paid very well.
Speaker 4: It must be nice, daniel.
Speaker 2: Tell me more about.
Speaker 8: What that was.
Speaker 6: But it's true.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I would have I would have taken it
Speaker 1: more so. I felt like I took it seriously because
Speaker 1: but I also felt like I was so living my
Speaker 1: dream that I didn't I wasn't thinking too moves ahead.
Speaker 6: I was playing checkers when I should have been playing chess.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, it's been a child actor, man.
Speaker 3: You know, that's just like we just if you come
Speaker 3: to acting as an adult, that's just part of the
Speaker 3: You just know that because you have to keep working
Speaker 3: at it. When you have the luck that we did
Speaker 3: and the chances that we did, it does it sets
Speaker 3: you in a mode it's unfortunate.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would probably tell myself a couple I would tell
Speaker 2: myself a couple things. One, listen to Jeff McCracken, because
Speaker 2: Jeff McCracken tried to tell me over and over again, Danielle,
Speaker 2: you're good, get into some classes, pursue the craft. Learn
Speaker 2: the craft. And I watching season six and seven, which
Speaker 2: are by far my least favorite episodes of the show.
Speaker 2: I am clearly though the most comfortable even though I
Speaker 2: was uncomfortable in my skin. As an actor, I was
Speaker 2: way more comfortable and I was funny even if I
Speaker 2: wasn't being given like I was supposed to be the
Speaker 2: straight man to Corey's comedy. But I did a lot
Speaker 2: with that, and I had really great moments that I
Speaker 2: just didn't allow myself to acknowledge or feel good about
Speaker 2: because I was so focused on feeling uncomfortable in my skin.
Speaker 2: And so one I would say, like, absolutely, get into
Speaker 2: classes and develop that more. Figure out who you are
Speaker 2: outside of this one written character. And then two I
Speaker 2: would also have told myself that you do not realize
Speaker 2: it now, but you will realize it later that you
Speaker 2: have internalized a lot of patriarchal and misogynistic beliefs and
Speaker 2: a lot of the things you think are being shaped
Speaker 2: by men who are telling you that's the way you
Speaker 2: should think, and it's actually like pick me girl behavior
Speaker 2: that you're eventually going to grow out of and see beyond.
Speaker 2: And so that's also that was also shaping a lot
Speaker 2: of the way I felt about myself and about the show.
Speaker 6: That's not right, Daniel, let me tell you how you felt.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, well, thank you. I appreciate you helping you.
Speaker 2: It's so funny happens why I love these guys. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I would go back and say too.
Speaker 8: That's really interesting because you know, at the bottom, you know,
Speaker 8: you're it's hard to writer's point, it's hard when you're
Speaker 8: a child actor and you're coming up and you're so
Speaker 8: as talented as you are, and your instincts are running,
Speaker 8: are so good, all of you that you you do
Speaker 8: not you take it for granted, but that it's like
Speaker 8: you're getting paid, you're week to week. It's it's a
Speaker 8: it's a grind. You Do you have even time to think?
Speaker 8: I mean, do you have time to consider anything else?
Speaker 8: You're going to school, You're, you're, you're, you're, you know,
Speaker 8: you're living a life, You're you're, you're doing the show.
Speaker 8: It's all consuming and and so I you know, give
Speaker 8: yourselves a break, you know. But I love your thoughts.
Speaker 8: I mean, I love, I love, I love you know
Speaker 8: you're talking to yourselves like that because you know, it
Speaker 8: resonates really hard, really well in all the podcasts that
Speaker 8: you've been doing. You know, it just it just it's there.
Speaker 8: But I apologize for the misogynistic dynamic of the show.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. Certainly there are yeah, certainly there are moments,
Speaker 2: but overall, I don't necessarily walk away from the show,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean maybe maybe in some seasons more
Speaker 2: than others.
Speaker 4: First of all, yes, that's true, definitely.
Speaker 8: I mean they or they should have had a better
Speaker 8: out for you because because or not go because it
Speaker 8: was That's where I felt the leverage of the common
Speaker 8: sense of the character felt faltered for me. Yeah, it
Speaker 8: was not the Panga that was not was not earned
Speaker 8: and so I had to have been earned for in
Speaker 8: a in a better way for you to say, I'm
Speaker 8: not going to do to Yale. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 6: Speaking of speaking on that, were you there?
Speaker 1: I apologize if we covered this on an earlier podcast,
Speaker 1: but were you there for any of the discussion of
Speaker 1: changing to Panga from hippie to kind of the girl
Speaker 1: she becomes?
Speaker 8: Well, I think it was an evolution by virtue of
Speaker 8: notes from both this network in the studio and and
Speaker 8: also the dynamic of do we want to do we
Speaker 8: want to limit her growth by keeping her just in
Speaker 8: one subset of being the hippie, dippy girl. You know,
Speaker 8: I think the idea was to bring her along. And
Speaker 8: she's a smart cookie, so is the idea. And she's
Speaker 8: smarter than Corey. So the idea was to always her
Speaker 8: be the foil for him, and and and sometimes you know,
Speaker 8: you know, she really, you really grew in Pega really
Speaker 8: grew into a wonderful woman. Even as a small girl,
Speaker 8: she was already formed in her sensibilities. And that's what
Speaker 8: was a wonderful And it made Corey very immature in
Speaker 8: a lot of ways. So gave it was a great,
Speaker 8: you know, a great backstop for him. That's why as
Speaker 8: the series got into the other seasons, I found that
Speaker 8: they lost that with you. You know, you became more
Speaker 8: of service to Corey and his story as opposed to
Speaker 8: your story. Yes, that's why I fought the show for that,
Speaker 8: and and you know that those are the seasons I
Speaker 8: weren't I wasn't around. But also I you know, I
Speaker 8: see it, I see it clearly now. You know that's
Speaker 8: a shame. It's a shame for me.
Speaker 2: Do you know, did anyone ever kind of push back
Speaker 2: during season seven? Maybe slightly confused by character motivation changes,
Speaker 2: Like was there anyone what was the morale of the
Speaker 2: show like at the time the writers.
Speaker 8: I really wasn't in around the seven seasons, so I
Speaker 8: can't really put my face anger on it. But you
Speaker 8: know that when I when I came back to the
Speaker 8: show and I did the other two shows, I saw
Speaker 8: it was happening, and I was going, Okay, you know,
Speaker 8: this is this is where we are right now. And
Speaker 8: I was just trying to salvage what I could. And
Speaker 8: then the last when I was doing the Clips show,
Speaker 8: I was so enamored with all the clips, you know,
Speaker 8: that I almost lost sight of what was happening in
Speaker 8: the show because it just seemed like, oh, well, they've
Speaker 8: earned all these decisions this season, all the shows, and
Speaker 8: I thought, well, they must have earned you know, Will
Speaker 8: going to New York and you know, going to New
Speaker 8: York and and Corey taking in about Face and all this,
Speaker 8: and I said, well then this is this is you know,
Speaker 8: and then Jack going off to the Peace Corps with
Speaker 8: with with Mazeland. I you know, it's just Rachel. I
Speaker 8: just so I just thought, oh, this is what's happening.
Speaker 8: You know, they've earned this, but they I don't know
Speaker 8: that they had. I mean I look at oh this
Speaker 8: was just a quick bow they put on this on
Speaker 8: the show for what writer was saying, you know earlier
Speaker 8: about se possibly.
Speaker 1: And so what you weren't there for most of seven,
Speaker 1: but you were there when Matt came on in season five.
Speaker 8: Right, I mean, yeah, Matt I hired him that Well, that's.
Speaker 6: My question, what is how did that come about?
Speaker 1: Was that was he seemed a bit like a Disney
Speaker 1: Network note where it's like, hey, Matt Lawrence is available,
Speaker 1: let's put him on the show. Was or did you
Speaker 1: guys go after Matt Lawrence? And then same for Maitland,
Speaker 1: Like where how did those.
Speaker 4: Pepell you met Matt Nelson?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no Lawrence, Matt Lawrence.
Speaker 8: That was a thing whereby you know, these actors have like, uh,
Speaker 8: these these overall deals with with with studios, you know,
Speaker 8: they and they and the and so Matt had a
Speaker 8: deal with Disney. You know, they were gonna and they
Speaker 8: wanted to develop a show for Matt. And so that's
Speaker 8: how that evolved. It was like, well, you got Matt,
Speaker 8: put him on our show. You know, that's kind of
Speaker 8: worked out, and then they found the end to make him,
Speaker 8: you know, the brother. One of the things I also
Speaker 8: am remiss about is is Danielle having you know, bang
Speaker 8: having six or three different sets of pearance, the older
Speaker 8: sisters disappearing, and this and that, I mean, and and
Speaker 8: double casting and with Morgan. There were things like that
Speaker 8: that were just were really disturbing to me overall, you know,
Speaker 8: just as continuity because the show took it. The show
Speaker 8: was really grounded and had a real authenticity to it,
Speaker 8: so that then to throw these kind of things in there,
Speaker 8: it was jarring. It's still it still jars me, you
Speaker 8: know when I watch it. But but those are things
Speaker 8: that were political and financial and all those other things.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we had no we couldn't control any of that.
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Speaker 2: of your memories about that final week of taping, like
Speaker 2: being on set with us, our emotions, the decision to
Speaker 2: not rehearse the final scene. Allek, what what do you
Speaker 2: remember about those conversations.
Speaker 8: Well, I know that i'd come back from ny People
Speaker 8: Blue and as I walked on the set, I mean,
Speaker 8: we did the table read and whatnot. And I don't
Speaker 8: know if I remember this will, but we had we
Speaker 8: had rehearsed a lot of the show, and I was
Speaker 8: backstage and I was very emotional. I was just just
Speaker 8: kind of like being quiet, and I don't know if
Speaker 8: I don't, you probably don't remember this will, But you
Speaker 8: were walking to the set and we locked eyes and
Speaker 8: I'll never forget the look you gave me, and boy,
Speaker 8: it was it was very powerful. And it summed up
Speaker 8: my entire feeling about leaving you guys, you know, and
Speaker 8: having left you guys and then coming back. And I
Speaker 8: think the idea of of now really saying goodbye was
Speaker 8: just overwhelming to me. Yeah, and so that's why in
Speaker 8: rehearsing that last scene, I did not want to go
Speaker 8: near it because this is and and I have to say,
Speaker 8: that scene was just unbelievable. I don't know how Bill
Speaker 8: held it together. I don't know how he held it together.
Speaker 8: I mean he I noticed that what he would Bill
Speaker 8: would do is he would take his fingers and yeah,
Speaker 8: you know, his side and whenever it got emotional or
Speaker 8: you know, it was was in his in his groove.
Speaker 8: And I noticed he did a lot of that, rubbing
Speaker 8: his composure because I was I was marveled at him.
Speaker 8: And it was also ben to not breaking in the
Speaker 8: final moment. So there's a credit to all of you.
Speaker 8: I mean, the first hug that you gave him, I'm
Speaker 8: in the second.
Speaker 2: It's fine. We remember the scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's one that's pretty indelible.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't remember getting.
Speaker 1: Up to the scene, like the anything that the three
Speaker 1: of us literally remember two things about the second episode,
Speaker 1: ben or Corey now talking to his thirty eight year
Speaker 1: old little brother who was a baby episodes before.
Speaker 6: And the final scene with Foenie. That's that's it.
Speaker 1: Like, none of us remember anything else about the episode.
Speaker 1: So it's that's going to be an interesting one to watch.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it'll be yeah, it's all good. It's all good.
Speaker 8: But yeah, yeah, it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting.
Speaker 2: How old is the Joshua character when he comes out
Speaker 2: into the backyard, would you say, is he four?
Speaker 1: Five?
Speaker 8: Yeah? He's like four, which is okay? Which is.
Speaker 6: Get a cigar?
Speaker 8: Well? That was it was Michael's son, you know, I go.
Speaker 6: But did that?
Speaker 3: Did we have a kid earlier in the week? And
Speaker 3: then they pulled the kid and Mike was always going
Speaker 3: to be Michael's son.
Speaker 8: Michael said, Daniel is going to be in the show.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, he's driving himself to set tomorrow.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, I remember remember uh Any coming to the
Speaker 8: set and working with them, and he was just, you know,
Speaker 8: a kid in the headlights. Seems like you could never
Speaker 8: you know, focus very sweet, a very sweet scene.
Speaker 2: Did we do that final scene with Bill saying his
Speaker 2: iconic line believe in yourselves, dream, try do good, and
Speaker 2: I love you all class dismissed? Did we do that
Speaker 2: in front of the audience?
Speaker 6: I think we did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was the last scene we did on the show,
Speaker 4: last show.
Speaker 8: Absolutely we did. I remember the audience was just on
Speaker 8: pins and needles. They were.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't remember. That's how the long remember
Speaker 2: it really did. I don't remember the audience. I remember this.
Speaker 2: I remember the emotion and being in the scene with
Speaker 2: all of you, But as far as I remember, it
Speaker 2: was just us on a set alone, robot camera operators
Speaker 2: like I know, I had no It was as if
Speaker 2: we were in.
Speaker 3: A very clear visual memories sitting off stage looking at
Speaker 3: the set and thinking, this is the last time we're
Speaker 3: going to be in the classroom.
Speaker 1: And it was the same side as the audience, didn't they.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we were off to the left of the audience.
Speaker 2: Correct. I remember that.
Speaker 3: I remember just like being all tense and nervous, and
Speaker 3: I remember being worried because we never rehearsed the scene
Speaker 3: and then we rehearsed.
Speaker 4: It, or we did it. We all lost it.
Speaker 3: And then I remember the big debate was do we
Speaker 3: need to do another take or not because Bill had
Speaker 3: done this thing where he went to shake my hand before, right,
Speaker 3: and that was the big debate. And then everyone was
Speaker 3: like and I remember, Jeff, I think you were like,
Speaker 3: I can't do it to them, We're not doing it.
Speaker 8: I'm not going And that's a beautiful moment, you know.
Speaker 8: So it's an accidents of the best, the best. There's
Speaker 8: always the best things that happened. Accidents are I lived
Speaker 8: for accidents. So so. And also, yeah, Daniel, I'm surprised
Speaker 8: because when you you were the first one to hug Bill. Yeah,
Speaker 8: the audience literally gassed. They just were like, so.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was I remember walking off the set.
Speaker 1: Bill is still walking through the classroom and about to
Speaker 1: say the iconic line, and we're just trying not to
Speaker 1: audibly cry.
Speaker 6: We're all doing.
Speaker 1: And we're kind of we're holding each other in that
Speaker 1: little hallway out right outside the set and we're hugging
Speaker 1: each other as he's doing the line. That's I remember
Speaker 1: that more than almost anything from the entire night. That's
Speaker 1: like kind of all I remember, because it is it
Speaker 1: became such a blur of.
Speaker 8: It is.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you can equate it to school
Speaker 1: or whatever you want, but it's on Thursday night, this
Speaker 1: has been your life for seven years, and you wake
Speaker 1: up Friday morning and you're.
Speaker 6: Like, never doing that again, and it's very very odd.
Speaker 6: Where again then?
Speaker 1: But I guess you never do because Girl meets World
Speaker 1: you get to you get to do it again.
Speaker 8: But it was how many years was it between boy
Speaker 8: and Girl? Fourteen fourteen? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well twenty thirteen was when we started casting, okay.
Speaker 6: And twenty sixteen is when Ryder and I found out
Speaker 6: there was a show.
Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen was when we I think we shot the
Speaker 2: pilot in twenty thirteen and then it aired in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: Maybe the reshoot was also in twenty fourteen. So yeah, So.
Speaker 6: Which one of us was the most like Dennis Franz?
Speaker 2: Good question.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't do it to you guys.
Speaker 2: On tour, we unearthed the blooper reel from season seven
Speaker 2: and there is a clip that when we go to
Speaker 2: dogpile on mister Feenie in the classroom, we are hug
Speaker 2: of him. He's on the desk. Our hug of him collapses.
Speaker 2: The desk and it's it's unbelievable and we're all like, oh,
Speaker 2: and Bill's face is like, what the heck just happened?
Speaker 2: And everybody backs away and we're like are you okay?
Speaker 2: Are you okay? And we all just start laughing. I
Speaker 2: just want to it's we have to send it to you.
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen the season seven blooper reel, you
Speaker 2: have to take a look at it because it's the
Speaker 2: closest we ever came to the national treasure, that is
Speaker 2: Bill Daniels being injured, and yet it's so fun and
Speaker 2: he's he's laughing, so it's you know, it is so
Speaker 2: funny at the time that we did it, do you
Speaker 2: remember knowing that dream try do good and I love
Speaker 2: you all class dismissed. Do you remember thinking how important
Speaker 2: it was going to be like that it was just
Speaker 2: going to be iconic tattooed on thousands of people.
Speaker 8: I thought, I thought this was just a continuation of
Speaker 8: Fee's wisdom and brilliance and yeah, you know, emparking that
Speaker 8: to you guys, was was it was just it was
Speaker 8: like the capstone, you know show, and so but I
Speaker 8: never I don't think boy means were was going to
Speaker 8: be in reruns like it has been. I mean, I
Speaker 8: don't think anyone predicted the lasting effect the show would
Speaker 8: have with each generation discovering it. And it just goes
Speaker 8: to show you, you know, you know, as flawed as
Speaker 8: some of the stories were overall, and sometimes the character
Speaker 8: development overall, what the show brought to those young adolescents
Speaker 8: for watching that show is a way to identify and
Speaker 8: and and grow with you guys. Of all the issues
Speaker 8: that we dealt with on that show. I mean it listens,
Speaker 8: we tackled everything, and I think in a very tasteful
Speaker 8: and good way in most respects. So so it really
Speaker 8: for me kind of outweighs the blunders along the way,
Speaker 8: you know, except for the laziness in the later seasons
Speaker 8: that that to me is kind of unforgivable in a way.
Speaker 8: But I don't know why. I don't know what why
Speaker 8: they ran out of steam in a way that they did.
Speaker 6: Don't know, I never That's the joy of television though.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things that I always go back to,
Speaker 1: and I do this with Mash and all the shows,
Speaker 1: yes I mentioned Machigan.
Speaker 6: All the shows that I love.
Speaker 1: I always try to remind myself that every episode is
Speaker 1: somebody's favorite, right, you know, even the episodes we couldn't
Speaker 1: stand somewhere, somebody is like, that's the best episode.
Speaker 6: It's my favorite episode. I love it. So we try
Speaker 6: to keep that in our heads as well.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean we often try to compare it
Speaker 1: to other to the greatest sitcoms of all time, you're
Speaker 1: talking Cheers friends. Also, all of them had story problems,
Speaker 1: all of them had dad episodes.
Speaker 6: There's not a single show when every episode is great.
Speaker 6: There just isn't.
Speaker 4: And weirdly, I think if we had an eighth season,
Speaker 4: we could have brought it back very.
Speaker 6: Easily, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if we had had a season where
Speaker 3: we kind of did a reset in terms of the
Speaker 3: because I mean every time we did reset, we found
Speaker 3: a new version of Boy Meets World.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that did kind of work.
Speaker 3: Like if we did a big reset, it did like
Speaker 3: this between seasons one and two, it's.
Speaker 4: A huge reset, all just a big reset.
Speaker 3: I feel like between you know, four and five, it's
Speaker 3: like there were ways and I think seven was just
Speaker 3: one of those moments it was like, okay, guys, just
Speaker 3: take a break, step back. And if we had come
Speaker 3: back into it. Not that I would have.
Speaker 4: I would have because I was out the door all
Speaker 4: like literally, but.
Speaker 6: Just it felt like senioritis.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just felt like even even writers we've
Speaker 1: had come on where they're like, yeah, we were playing a.
Speaker 6: Lot of tennis.
Speaker 1: Season seven, we were kind of we did the scripts
Speaker 1: and then again every week, and it was essentially like
Speaker 1: and and this person is going to direct this week,
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, okay.
Speaker 8: It's kind of like knowing it's your last knowing knowing
Speaker 8: that it's your last season for the most part, you know,
Speaker 8: from that perspective, I think also is that is it's
Speaker 8: like the oh, well, you know, we're onto other things already.
Speaker 8: I mean all the other writers were looking for their jobs.
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, of course, so yeah, but I was
Speaker 8: always on the seventh season. Even the sixth season. If
Speaker 8: you look at it, you know, friends was was very
Speaker 8: you know, it was it wasn't the Friends. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So the idea was and this was discuss of making
Speaker 8: you guys friends in New York. It really was a
Speaker 8: thing that was discussed that oh, we could do this
Speaker 8: in New York, you know, but it just it just
Speaker 8: became untenable because I think, uh, you know, for reasons
Speaker 8: of being likened to that show too much, you know, yeah,
Speaker 8: copying it and being dismissed, and we didn't want to
Speaker 8: do that to your characters. You know. I think a
Speaker 8: lot of a lot of let laying you know, sleeping
Speaker 8: Dog's life. You know, we we we we've we've mined
Speaker 8: all we can, you know at this level, you know,
Speaker 8: for the show.
Speaker 1: Okay, I I have a question for you. And and
Speaker 1: certainly not taking away from any of the writers whatsoever,
Speaker 1: because we had so many good writers throughout the years
Speaker 1: and they were just phenomenal at what they did. Taking
Speaker 1: Michael out of the equation, which writer do you think
Speaker 1: most got Boy Meets World and was really their voice
Speaker 1: was was so important?
Speaker 8: Hm hmm.
Speaker 6: From the beginning or just any anyone? Yeah, anyone?
Speaker 8: Well, I have to say Nelson because he came in
Speaker 8: and gave it to grab uh see, Michael. One of
Speaker 8: the things with Michael and I was I was talking
Speaker 8: about this before, was the it was the comedic dynamic
Speaker 8: and the dramatic moment, you know, and and Matt came
Speaker 8: from a very grounded dramatic moment thing, but he could
Speaker 8: also write comedy really well, so, so he really helped
Speaker 8: ground Michael. And uh, you know Buttonman and Blesking and
Speaker 8: and and and Sherman also was really he was a heart.
Speaker 8: He was he was the heart of the show. He
Speaker 8: Sheran was really the guy who, you know, was always
Speaker 8: the sensitive one. Matt was was pretty smart. And Matt
Speaker 8: was smart and and he liked the He had a
Speaker 8: razor's edge to him. He was very good, but but
Speaker 8: he also had great heart and great sensitivity. And Michael
Speaker 8: was very sensitive and it had great heart, but but
Speaker 8: he was also the moralizer and also the cartoon guy.
Speaker 8: You know, he loved you know, Mooney Tunes and so
Speaker 8: three Stooges. So he's he was that. So that combination
Speaker 8: was always kind of rumbling around. And and Susan Jansen
Speaker 8: was was really uh she brought a very feminine point
Speaker 8: of view, didn't let Michael get away with a lot.
Speaker 8: She was She stood up a lot for for the
Speaker 8: women on the show. Lots of times when Michael would
Speaker 8: go off the deep end, she would be there to say, oh,
Speaker 8: give me a break, you know. So you know, so
Speaker 8: it was it was really a group effort, and that's
Speaker 8: I think was minutes. So as special because it wasn't
Speaker 8: just one person. It was and if I'm admitting anybody,
Speaker 8: please forgive me. Manel was we know Manew. Manel was
Speaker 8: like this guy who never wrote before, came on the
Speaker 8: show and was became a star. So you know, you
Speaker 8: you you just have this group of writers and I
Speaker 8: could go on all of them, but but but I
Speaker 8: would say those were the core people that really Bobby
Speaker 8: and of course was sort of on the show, but
Speaker 8: but he was more focused on dinosaurs and developing the
Speaker 8: news shows. And then of course we cannot forget David Kendall.
Speaker 8: Kendall I adored, and uh, his loss is horrible. But
Speaker 8: Kendall and I we worked so well together and and
Speaker 8: when Michael was really busy with other shows, Kendall really
Speaker 8: ran that show. And uh, we had a blast. We
Speaker 8: had a blast together. And I always I could rely
Speaker 8: on him for you know, anything anything, you know, any
Speaker 8: kind of fix on the script or a note or
Speaker 8: he was always there in there swinging and and open
Speaker 8: and and uh, rooting for everybody. So that was a
Speaker 8: special season to have him there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you had to have predicted at the end
Speaker 2: of the show, if you had to say what you
Speaker 2: predicted each of us would go on to do free
Speaker 2: to do anything. Boy meets World's over. We're free to
Speaker 2: do anything we want to do. What would your honest
Speaker 2: opinion have been for where the three of us would
Speaker 2: have ended up?
Speaker 8: Oh wow, Uh, probably right where you are right.
Speaker 2: Now hosting a podcast.
Speaker 8: Well yeah, we didn't know a podcasts where what what
Speaker 8: what I mean is successful and in embracing your talent
Speaker 8: in a way that is your own. And I think that,
Speaker 8: you know, I thought Will would have his own show.
Speaker 8: I thought that was a given. I know, they were
Speaker 8: talking about it. Uh, you know, and uh and then
Speaker 8: I know I always thought would be you know, he's
Speaker 8: the poet, He's the guy who I thought always would
Speaker 8: would would would rise to be a director or be
Speaker 8: a writer. And uh also not to negate his acting ability,
Speaker 8: but he seemed, you know, writer, You seemed at the
Speaker 8: time that that last season very as you said, kind
Speaker 8: of removed, but also uh, very a deep thinker. So
Speaker 8: I thought, this guy is going on to do write
Speaker 8: something and and create something really really you know, significant.
Speaker 8: And then Danielle, I really thought, you know, I said,
Speaker 8: you know, go to acting class, gets you know, attack it. Uh,
Speaker 8: I wanted to see you on stage. I wanted to
Speaker 8: see you do Broadway, I wanted to see you do
Speaker 8: other work like that. So so I kind of thought
Speaker 8: that's maybe where you would end up, you know, going
Speaker 8: to New York and and doing the theater. But but
Speaker 8: that was kind of like just I think when I
Speaker 8: was thinking about it just now, it's kind of what
Speaker 8: just came to mind. But I don't at the time,
Speaker 8: I knew all of you would would go on to
Speaker 8: probably do more shows, more TV shows, more movies, you know,
Speaker 8: just what we've kind of done. And so I'm not
Speaker 8: I'm not surprised at all by by what you've accomplished
Speaker 8: or what you've set out to do. And and Danielle,
Speaker 8: you your your path, my gods, psychologists you know directly,
Speaker 8: I mean all these various dynamics too, and then h
Speaker 8: writer with writing and your podcast. Guys, let me just
Speaker 8: tell you now that this is coming to a close,
Speaker 8: and the branching out that you've done by taking care
Speaker 8: of this, this, this audience and also this this format
Speaker 8: is really inspiring. You guys are doing great. I love
Speaker 8: by the way, they're so good.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we're ready for part two.
Speaker 1: I know yeah, okay, So I have a question if
Speaker 1: if you, as an artist had to paint us, what
Speaker 1: version of us would you paint?
Speaker 8: H I think the version I would paint you mean
Speaker 8: during the show.
Speaker 1: Either during the show now, like which what what version
Speaker 1: of you have to do a painting of the three.
Speaker 6: Of us together?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 1: How old are we in the painting? What version of
Speaker 1: us are you? Are you using as your inspiration to make?
Speaker 8: Well? The classic? The classic? You know version would be
Speaker 8: these an echo of your of your younger selves against
Speaker 8: your older selves, you know, it would be something like that.
Speaker 8: So there'd be this ghosting effect of your younger selves
Speaker 8: to your older selves, because that's I think the journeys
Speaker 8: you've you've been on with podcasts and with your lives.
Speaker 8: You were handed an amazing, uh situation when you were kids,
Speaker 8: and for you to have navigated all of that and
Speaker 8: come out the way you have is just amazing. And
Speaker 8: so I I would want to paint something that addressed that.
Speaker 8: I would want to paint something that had that kind
Speaker 8: of arc for you all and where you're going. I
Speaker 8: can't wait to see the next chapter. I just can't wait.
Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 7: It's Jenny Garth, host of the I Choose Me podcast
Speaker 7: this week Monica Lewinsky. Yes, that Monica, the one the
Speaker 7: world tore apart. She's still standing, She's back and done hiding.
Speaker 2: It really felt like it was one of those situations
Speaker 2: where you literally do or die.
Speaker 7: Monica stared down shame and came out the other side,
Speaker 7: and she is here to change what you thought you knew.
Speaker 2: And it's sort of not over until we try it.
Speaker 7: A conversation that will inspire you to choose yourself starting today.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the Rat Party, the season
Speaker 2: seven Rat party. Did you get a watch? Did you
Speaker 2: get a tag watch for Michael?
Speaker 8: I know, I don't know. Did I go, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't remember being there, nor do I
Speaker 2: remember getting a watch.
Speaker 4: So you guys were definitely there.
Speaker 6: I had to have been.
Speaker 8: I don't know if I I was there. I remember
Speaker 8: A J and I were hanging out. Yeah, I remember, yeah,
Speaker 8: we were there. My Janet was there with me. Yeah,
Speaker 8: we were there, of course. I remember the party.
Speaker 2: Was it was it Diamonds?
Speaker 1: No, that was that was before I remember Jeff dancing
Speaker 1: at Denim and diamonds.
Speaker 6: Though I remember, I can literally.
Speaker 2: It was the season seven rat party.
Speaker 8: I was on the stage. It was.
Speaker 6: Somewhere in the valley.
Speaker 4: Will and I wore suits.
Speaker 3: We showed our video, so we got up on stage
Speaker 3: at one point, I mean there were multiple speeches made,
Speaker 3: but we got up on stage and then played our
Speaker 3: forty five minutes.
Speaker 4: That was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had our whole mockumentary about what's going to
Speaker 3: happen to where are they now? For the whole cast,
Speaker 3: and it killed.
Speaker 1: It killed, it did, and then and then we all
Speaker 1: got watches that Michael just had the trunk of his
Speaker 1: car like they'd fallen off of a truck.
Speaker 8: Well what he would do? Yeah, well he was a
Speaker 8: watch guy. Yeah, I can't. I have two watches. They
Speaker 8: just gave me arbitrarily, you know, really out of his
Speaker 8: house and go here take this. I don't. I don't
Speaker 8: want anymore. I go, what the hell is? It's a.
Speaker 6: What the hell?
Speaker 1: He told me that it was because I came up
Speaker 1: to him, uh like before the show ended in season seven,
Speaker 1: and I said, Hey, I'm going to miss you. I
Speaker 1: want one of your watch And I was saying it
Speaker 1: as a joke, but he said that that was what
Speaker 1: made him think of getting and I still have.
Speaker 6: Mine for a good time with Michael brilliant, right right?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Well no, are you still in touch with aj We
Speaker 6: want to get her on.
Speaker 8: We want to talk. Oh yeah, no, yeah, I love
Speaker 8: a She used to maybe sit her kids too. I
Speaker 8: mean she's family.
Speaker 1: Can you please reach out to her for us and
Speaker 1: let her know that we would love to love to
Speaker 1: speak with her.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, Okay, my pleasure. No, she's you know, you don't
Speaker 8: know where she is, right, You know where she is
Speaker 8: what she's doing, don't you?
Speaker 6: She like runs something huge, doesn't she?
Speaker 8: Littlefields Company? Yeah, right, the Prison of the NBC. She's
Speaker 8: responsible for Fargo, this TV series, Fargo, Wow, for the
Speaker 8: movie with Michael Keaton and his addiction of the Addiction movie.
Speaker 8: She's She's executive produced tons of stuff.
Speaker 6: Didn't she also do Handmaid's Tale?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: Wasn't that Warren Fields Company?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's been killing it Fargo.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, so she's Yeah, she's been on it.
Speaker 2: We were also impressed with Jerry Levine's directing this season.
Speaker 2: He was given a chance his first foray into the field,
Speaker 2: and of course he would go on to become a
Speaker 2: very prolific TV director. What do you remember or do
Speaker 2: you remember anything about Jerry getting behind the camera.
Speaker 8: Well, Jerry, you know, we know the history of Jerry
Speaker 8: and Michael. They group, they knew each other. Yeah and yeah,
Speaker 8: and Jerry Nina his wife who later became the president
Speaker 8: of the CBS CBS GBS. Yeah, Nina Tessler and so
Speaker 8: so so Nina, Jerry, Michael and Patty and Jane and I.
Speaker 8: We hung out in New York all the time. We
Speaker 8: would go out. You know, we were always together. It
Speaker 8: was really fun, really a fun time. And when I
Speaker 8: wasn't drinking.
Speaker 2: We've heard stories about everyone having having some drinks and
Speaker 2: these get togethers.
Speaker 8: Oh god, yes, no boy the twenties anyways, So but
Speaker 8: he was always a great guy, always terrific and and
Speaker 8: uh had a very good career as an actor. And
Speaker 8: he was he's he's really uh, he's really done well.
Speaker 8: He's a great because he's a great guy. He's just
Speaker 8: a great guy. And Uh, anyway, when he came to direct, boy,
Speaker 8: I had the decision of whether I was I said,
Speaker 8: come come and you know, follow me, trail me on
Speaker 8: my show and uh and he did, and uh, I
Speaker 8: just backed away because I knew Michael would take care
Speaker 8: of him. I knew that that Jerry knew enough about
Speaker 8: performance for sure, uh that he could do that. And
Speaker 8: and I I just had to step back and let
Speaker 8: him sink or swim. I almost did that purposely to say,
Speaker 8: you know, uh, you have it. I'm not gonna send
Speaker 8: over your shoulder to make you feel like you can't
Speaker 8: do this, because I knew he could do it, you know,
Speaker 8: And so he was he was, he was, he was nervous,
Speaker 8: but he he came through. I thought, really, well, yeah,
Speaker 8: you know, and you guys liked him, so yeah, I
Speaker 8: loved working on him. Yeah it's worth yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: We have made a documentary. You are yet to see it.
Speaker 2: We we are planning on a tour in the new
Speaker 2: year with it. Are you excited to see it?
Speaker 8: How are you kidding? I was going to ask you,
Speaker 8: when do I get to see the dunk?
Speaker 2: Now, we could probably send you a link, but it's
Speaker 2: better to see. I don't know. Maybe maybe he would
Speaker 2: rather a link and watch it in his own house,
Speaker 2: but we would love for you to see it in
Speaker 2: the theater with us. We're going to when we when
Speaker 2: we tour in the New Year with it, when we're
Speaker 2: Will be in New York and we're well, we're going.
Speaker 1: To see you next month, right, Yes, coming to my party,
Speaker 1: coming to my birthday.
Speaker 6: Very excited, it's very excited for that.
Speaker 2: I can't Oh, I can't wait. Will's fiftieth prom themed birthday.
Speaker 2: I got a dress. I got a nineties prom dress.
Speaker 6: Did you nice?
Speaker 2: I bought a nineties prom dress from Poshmark too, so great.
Speaker 2: I love it. So, yeah, that's gonna be that's gonna
Speaker 2: be fun. It'll be nice to see you in person.
Speaker 8: Yeah, of course, you're not gonna have to wear tucks.
Speaker 6: You can dress however you'd like to.
Speaker 1: We say it's you're going to the prom in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four, but there's nothing enforced.
Speaker 6: Come however you'd like to come.
Speaker 8: That's dangerous, Okay.
Speaker 1: So we're giving awards to different things, best joke, best episode,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So I'd like to ask you
Speaker 1: one or two. Do you have a favorite episode of
Speaker 1: the series.
Speaker 8: Oh Jesus, oh my god, Well.
Speaker 6: God, you know we've been going through. This is what
Speaker 6: we've been going through.
Speaker 8: My child, you know, well, you know the one that
Speaker 8: we had the most fun on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, that was of course, and then
Speaker 2: there was Sean.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the one we had the most fun on.
Speaker 8: Or you had the most.
Speaker 4: Fun you were.
Speaker 1: That's one of the few times you yelled at us,
Speaker 1: like a few times.
Speaker 8: I'll never forget Ben saying you scared me. Anyway, let
Speaker 8: me think, gosh, oh wow, that's you.
Speaker 1: Know it the Subway episode where you had ten thousand
Speaker 1: shots on a single page.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was that was a challenge and I loved
Speaker 8: it because of what we came up with, you know,
Speaker 8: how how to make the train move and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you're running, You're running after that train was hysterical. Well,
Speaker 8: I don't think, I you know, I'm drawing a blank
Speaker 8: because my main it's like it's like a roll index
Speaker 8: going through my head.
Speaker 6: How about favorite season? We just did that one. What's
Speaker 6: your favorite season of the show?
Speaker 8: Four for my favorite?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for you know, it's just.
Speaker 8: It was just where you guys were. I was gonna say,
Speaker 8: if I was doing another painting and I didn't just
Speaker 8: describe earlier, I would paint the four the three of
Speaker 8: you in that season.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 8: That to me, you were all just it was just
Speaker 8: it was a special special age, you know, it's when
Speaker 8: the show peaked. Yeah, well five was pretty darn good.
Speaker 6: Five was great to missus. Four was four was pretty great.
Speaker 8: Yeah. But I but I you know, gosh, you know,
Speaker 8: there's just so many I have so many favorite moments
Speaker 8: and and and shows. I really couldn't tell you, I
Speaker 8: really aside from and then there was shown, which is
Speaker 8: the easy pick. It's just you know.
Speaker 6: How about favorite guest star you got to work with?
Speaker 8: Oh thee the guest Well, chet was great.
Speaker 2: Just the greatest.
Speaker 8: It was great. He was fun, lively, wonderful.
Speaker 3: I mean that's who we gave the Athenie to Forest
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were like we.
Speaker 3: Went through and we were like, well, if we don't
Speaker 3: count recurring characters or characters who were right, you know,
Speaker 3: because he was only in five or six overall, and
Speaker 3: he never had a contract for consistent and like, but man,
Speaker 3: what a great character from his arrival to his death, Like,
Speaker 3: oh my god.
Speaker 8: And that last scene when he's in the kitchen with
Speaker 8: you guys.
Speaker 6: Uh, that's right, he's the ghost, that's right. Oh my god. Okay, yes,
Speaker 6: I won't put you on. I won't put you on
Speaker 6: the spot anymore.
Speaker 2: Jeff, we are so appreciative that you have listened to
Speaker 2: the podcast. And I think one massive takeaway from us
Speaker 2: from this podcast has been how important protective, you know,
Speaker 2: creative influence on us you which we are more than
Speaker 2: thankful for. What has been listening to a total revisit
Speaker 2: to every moment, even moments you were not there for.
Speaker 2: What has it been like for you?
Speaker 8: Well, revelatory number one, because it's like in hindsight, you know,
Speaker 8: you do something and you're in the moment, you're you're
Speaker 8: you're executing it. It's it's done, and you're moving to
Speaker 8: the next show, and then you're moving on the next
Speaker 8: you know, it's like this this machine that you're doing
Speaker 8: and then it's over. It's like what would happen? Yeah?
Speaker 8: And then you know I didn't really rewatch the show,
Speaker 8: but maybe when the DVD set came out and I set,
Speaker 8: you know, my kids down to watch it again and
Speaker 8: they all watch it and loved it. So I get
Speaker 8: to rediscover it again through them, which was wonderful. And
Speaker 8: that was the last time I watched the show. So
Speaker 8: to now be back into this podcast with watching you
Speaker 8: and listening to this perspective and uh, and joy. This
Speaker 8: is the thing too, I think a lot of people
Speaker 8: miss because I know you guys have given each other
Speaker 8: hard time sometimes about being too hard on the show
Speaker 8: and not having but the joy that you have in
Speaker 8: revisiting the show, he's been so contagious and wonderful. I
Speaker 8: think that's the thing I most treasure is that the show,
Speaker 8: as tough as it was, is challenging as it was,
Speaker 8: the joy of the show is ever present podcast and
Speaker 8: that is why I keep coming back and why everyone
Speaker 8: else keeps coming back, because it's a chance to you know,
Speaker 8: re enjoy the show through you again. And it's been great.
Speaker 8: You know, I wish Ben had been part of it.
Speaker 8: I wish I wish Bill uh, you know, uh, Bill
Speaker 8: Daniels maybe had been more of a part of it
Speaker 8: to get their perspectives. But you three have carried the
Speaker 8: ball and it's been fantastic. It's been fantastic, really fantastic.
Speaker 8: I just really allowed you tremendously for for you know,
Speaker 8: all that you've you've done in terms of your perspective
Speaker 8: on the show. And sometimes I do disagree, you know,
Speaker 8: sometimes I have gone, oh what are you talking about?
Speaker 8: You guys circle it and then go oh and because
Speaker 8: you're all free, you have different opinions. Yeah, I can
Speaker 8: slide with one of you, you know.
Speaker 4: The right one.
Speaker 8: However, they're totally correct.
Speaker 2: Jeff, thank you so much.
Speaker 6: We love you.
Speaker 2: Thank you for being here again with We can't wait
Speaker 2: to see you next month. Yes, and we will send
Speaker 2: you pictures with Claire and our tattoos.
Speaker 8: I can't wait, can't wait. And also when you're going
Speaker 8: to show that documentary, let me know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, definitely, thank you. Jef By never gets
Speaker 2: old seeing him being a legend. What a legend he
Speaker 2: feels like just seeing his face is, hearing his voice,
Speaker 2: it's just like a warm hug.
Speaker 6: I was just about to say, there's a strange peace
Speaker 6: that comes over to me. It comes over me every
Speaker 6: time I see him too, talk to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just because he was in charge of our rehearsals
Speaker 3: and like made our rehearsals comfortable, really made us empowered,
Speaker 3: Like you just always felt like you were in the
Speaker 3: right place. Yeah, and you could figure out you're blocking
Speaker 3: and where to move your body and how to use
Speaker 3: your voice. I mean think about that, like that was
Speaker 3: literally his job and like he did it so well
Speaker 3: and made us all feel comfortable and like, so we
Speaker 3: still have that like in our it's like literally in
Speaker 3: our bodies.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, I agree. Well, thank you all
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