1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to How the Money. I'm Joel and I and 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Matt and today we're discussing making a living with Airbnb 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: with Zianna McIntyre Da Jel. Our guest today is Zianna McIntyre, 4 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: who went from earning minimum wage to becoming financially free 5 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: in two years with real estate. And she didn't do 6 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: it with any old, boring real estate. She did it 7 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: specifically with Airbnb. Ziana now owns seven properties and she 8 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: manages twenty and they're all over the world. She she 9 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: also consults by working with her clients and helping them 10 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: to achieve their short term rental goals right, so from 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: finding an ideal rental property to purchase uh, she provides 12 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: tips on furnishing all the way through to Tomain as well. 13 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: And you know what's so great about ziana story is 14 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: how she's used real estate to design the kind of 15 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: life that she wants to live. And you know, hopefully 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: too after this interview, How the Money listeners out there 17 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: will be inspired to do the same. So, Zianna, thanks 18 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: so much for joining us today on the podcast. Thanks 19 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: for having me. Hey so glad to have Usianna and 20 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: every episode. You know, Matt and I we actually drink 21 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: a craft beer. Were big beer nerds. So for us, 22 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of this thing where we are splurging on 23 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: something that we love now, while at the same time 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: we're pretty thoughtful about saving and investing for our future. 25 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: So do you have anything that you like to sport 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: John in the here and now while you're building wealth, 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: while you're building your real estate portfolio for your future self. 28 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: I literally only buy holmes. My boyfriend says that some 29 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: girls buy shoes. I just buy homes. So literally, all 30 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: the money that I put aside, I'm like, oh, that's 31 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: almost enough for a home. So Zianna has no fun 32 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: with any money that she makes. It's all going towards investment. 33 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: Is it all deprivation for you? Like, there's got to 34 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: be something that you you enjoy. I mean it sounds 35 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: like you enjoy real estate as well. But yeah, what else? Yeah, 36 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: I think I've just learned to hack things, you know, 37 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: Like I love clothes and I love costuming and fashion, 38 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: but like I do um clothing swaps with friends. So 39 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: we all just like bring a bunch of clothes to 40 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: a house and like swap for free. And I don't 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: buy anything. Maybe underwear, um and then other things like travels, 42 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: Like I got so good at travel hacking that I 43 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: do pet sitting and I do credit cards and all 44 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So miles and points pay for 45 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: most everything, and then I don't have to pay for travel. 46 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: So there are lots of things that I love to do, 47 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: but I just like figure out how to have them 48 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: pay themselves. Nice. It sounds like you're fairly optimized then 49 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: when it comes to the things that you enjoy doing. 50 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: So that's yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. Well, yeah, let's dive 51 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: right into you know, how you got started with airbnb specifically, 52 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: So a friend of yours gave you the idea after 53 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: he got laid off. Can you share how that all 54 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: that went down? Yeah, So my friend was living in 55 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: New York, and I feel like New York is just 56 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: like the epicenter you hear about everything first, you know, 57 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: there's just so much happening there. And I was really 58 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: familiar with this idea of couch surfing. I don't know 59 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 1: if you guys had ever done that, but it was 60 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: website that was really big and like oh six to 61 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: maybe like two thousand ten or something like that, and 62 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: I had like traveled and stayed at people's houses and 63 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: you stay on their couch and it's like free. Um. 64 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: But he told me about this concept of Airbnb, where 65 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: you actually rent out your house and travelers come but 66 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: they're paying you, and so I was like, oh, I'm 67 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: super into that idea of like living vicariously through people's 68 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: adventures and hosting people and all of that. So it 69 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: already seemed like an easy match Airbnb. By the way, uh, 70 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: I feel like it took it was CouchSurfing made legitimate, yeah, 71 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: to a certain extent, because that also then cost you money, 72 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: which totally I mean, I think there's something still really 73 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: beautiful about the idea of couch surfing, but for some reason, 74 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, it didn't really stick around the same. 75 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: But I guess people just really like money too. Yeah. 76 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: But essentially he decided to try it out, and I 77 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: was like, oh, that sounds really cool. Um. And he 78 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: was stuck in this lease because he was living in 79 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: New York and I think his apartment most like three 80 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: thousand a month, you know, just crazy um. And he decided, Okay, 81 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to just try this Airbnb thing. I'm going 82 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: to rent out my place hopefully it'll just cover my 83 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: expenses until I can get out of the lease. So 84 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: he was traveling like in Spain and South Africa. He 85 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: was only going to be um, you know, like unemployed 86 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: and having unemployment travel for like three months, and then 87 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: he ended up making so much money off of his apartment. 88 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: He traveled for an entire year. And the whole time 89 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: he was like, man, you gotta do this, you gotta 90 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: try this, And I was just distracted. I was in 91 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: school and I didn't feel like I had the time. Um, 92 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: but he's very persistent. Uh, And after an entire year, 93 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: he told me that he made fifty thousand dollars off 94 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: of this apartment that he didn't own. So that got 95 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: me listening. Okay, You're like, okay, that's real stinking money 96 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: right there. Off that you know for sure, and travel 97 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: on that. So and then when you first got into 98 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: a Zianna, you were basically subletting apartments that you were 99 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: currently renting, but on the d L, right, and that 100 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: was was that like a little bit shady? What were 101 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: things like for you in those days? I feel like 102 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: I've heard stories about that, like way back when when 103 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: folks were like, but don't make any noise when you 104 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: check it, okay, Like yeah, I think. Yeah, it's interesting 105 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: because back then people didn't know about Airbnb, so kind 106 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: of when I would tell people, they wouldn't know what 107 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: I'm talking about anyway. So it was kind of like 108 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: a really small I don't know, niche or something for 109 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: at least the first couple of years. So the only 110 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: thing that made me feel worried is just kind of 111 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: my my like very clear sense of right and wrong. 112 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: I was like, I think this is wrong, but it works, 113 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,239 Speaker 1: and there's no rule that says that it's wrong. Okay, right. 114 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: So I think there was a part of me that 115 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: was always kind of worried that a landlord would find 116 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: out and I would get in trouble somehow, but it 117 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: didn't really happen that way. There was two different incidentss 118 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: when I got asked to leave an apartment that I 119 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: was solely um renting and then re renting. One of 120 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: the instances was it was like a nine unit apartment 121 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: building and they owned the entire building. So then one 122 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: of the neighbors routed me out. So I was like, okay, 123 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: I get that, you know, like that's stupid. I didn't 124 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: realize you guys had the whole building. Um. And then 125 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: the next time that it happened, and I'll say that 126 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: that first time, they gave me back my deposit and full, 127 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: they gave me time to move. They were very cool 128 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: about it, and they even said, wow, that was a 129 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: really cool idea, but we don't want you to do 130 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: it in our apartment. Credit that's pretty ingenious, like we 131 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: love your furnishing and everything. But I get out. So 132 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: that was cool. But then the second time that it happened, Um, 133 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: I had a little like one bedroom at another place 134 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: ace and I don't know how the owner found out, 135 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: but maybe, Oh, I think it's because he was trying 136 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: to list on Airbnb, and so you found out. I said, oh, sorry, 137 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know that's my place. Yeah, totally. And then 138 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: he asked me to go and I got someone to 139 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: take over my lease, and that girl later I found 140 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: her and him on Airbnb and I was like, Okay, 141 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: you can't stop the system. You know, they're all doing it. 142 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: The floodgates were open at that point in time. Yeah, 143 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: I mean, and so like you know, obviously in a 144 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: lot of leases there are clauses built in. You know 145 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: that don't allow you to sublet. But that's that's not 146 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: necessarily something that like that you mentioned that is completely wrong. 147 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: Like sometimes you are allowed to, you know, to sublet 148 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: your place, and I mean there's a term for that, 149 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: like that's master leasing. Right. Yeah. Um, I think people 150 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: call it arbitrage as well. But yeah, I mean subletting 151 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: is negotiable. I would say that everything in a lease 152 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: and everything in life is negotiable. So what I would 153 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: do when I was signing up for those situations is 154 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: just say, hey, you know, I travel sometimes for work. 155 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: I would love to be able to sublet if I'm 156 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: gone for an extended period. And they would always just 157 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: like cross it out of the lease and let me 158 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: do it. So I was on the right there. It's 159 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: just that they didn't realize that it was like Airbnb 160 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: and I was making money on their apartment and all 161 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: these other kind of things that sometimes make people upset. Yeah, 162 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: well that's I mean think that's really important to know 163 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: for people that are considering it, that that is negotiable 164 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: when you're talking to a landlord, and that it's possible. 165 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: Like I think if one of my tenants came to me, 166 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: even if there were a percent above board, and we're like, 167 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: I'd like to write your place and run it out 168 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: on Airbnb all the time, but I'll pay you a 169 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: hundred dollars more a month than market rate. Then what 170 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: you're asking in order to do it, I'd be like, 171 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: all right, cool, that sounds like, let's talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 172 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: I mean I think, um that those kind of things 173 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: are always open for negotiation. That's a good point. Uh. 174 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: And then you kind of began to move past that 175 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: and buy some real estate. But the first place that 176 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: you bought, you kind of had to get creative with 177 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: the financing. So can you tell us about that too. Yeah, 178 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: So my first place, it took me a aisle to 179 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: kind of get to that place and being able to buy, 180 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: But it was already after my first two years where 181 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: I was feeling financially independent, um, and those were just 182 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: off of places I was renting, So it was really 183 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: cool that that could happen on its own. Um. But 184 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: when I went to buy, I had this great um 185 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: position where I had a one bedroom apartment that was 186 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: five minutes away from the other apartment that I was 187 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: going to buy, and so I had already been renting 188 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: this place out for like a year and a half, 189 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: and so sometimes I tell people Airbnb is like training 190 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: wheels for real estate, you know. So I had all 191 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: the numbers. I knew what everything costs, and knew what 192 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: my property could make, and so when I went over 193 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: to buy the other one, it was really easy for 194 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: me to know what would work and what wouldn't work. 195 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: So that was like a great, you know, foundation for me. 196 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: At the time, I had a friend who was a 197 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: previous landlord of mine and we had just kind of 198 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: stayed in touch, and he was a big investor. I 199 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: think he owns like eighteen apartments or something and all 200 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: in one complex, and so I think I had heard 201 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: that he gives people loans, and so I just thought, 202 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: you know what, let me just try. Um I got 203 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: some money. Yeah, I was like, you know, I work 204 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: for myself, and I've heard that's hard to get a mortgage, 205 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: and I was doing like massage and Airbnb, and Airbnb 206 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: wasn't really recognized his income yet. It was kind of 207 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: this weird gray area, so I thought that would be 208 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: difficult for lending. So I just thought, Okay, I'm just 209 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: gonna go ask, and if he says no, then I 210 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: have to figure out a new plan, you know. Um, 211 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: but he was cool with it, and he ended up 212 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: making a loan for me. The house that I got 213 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: was like one sixty two. I think our loan was 214 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: one forty four. And at that time, I mean literally 215 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: that could have been a million dollars that I was 216 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: asking for. It was just like so much money. But 217 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: he made it really easy for me. And I feel 218 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: super grateful that people in real estate are so open 219 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: to helping people very often. You know, it's really like 220 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: a mentor teaching kind of community, and I think sometimes 221 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: you just you to ask. You never know if people 222 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: are going to say yes, yeah. I mean what's cool 223 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: about that too, is is yeah. I mean you kind 224 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: of mentioned him as almost this mentor. I mean you're 225 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: you're able to ask him questions and you talk with 226 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: them and talk about the market. I'm sure you know 227 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: when when if someone's that invested in the local market 228 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: there and and interested in real estate, they're going to 229 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: have a lot of wisdom. And that's not something you're 230 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: gonna learn from, uh, talking to your bank, Like you 231 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: don't get that, Like you can't even get that with 232 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: a credit union, you know, as much as we love 233 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: local credit unions. And I'm sure you know, he wants 234 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: to make sure his his investment is going to do 235 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: well and and so you know, he probably wants to 236 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: talk through the fundamentals of the property you're buying to 237 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: make sure that it's gonna work out well for him. 238 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: So I'm sure that in some ways was a learning 239 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: experience in and of itself. Yeah, it was surprisingly light. 240 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm like, wow, they want everything and 241 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: your first baby. He was really like, Okay, do you 242 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: think you could cover this mortgage about And I was like, yeah, 243 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: I think so. And he's like, uh, I'm glad to 244 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: see that it worked out for you. Obviously, you know 245 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: in the time since then that yeah, that's really panned 246 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: out for you. But I mean, I assume you don't 247 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: do that currently, right, you know, as far as private 248 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: money lending, you know, so have you changed your approach 249 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: to to find anything since then? Yeah? So I started 250 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: with private money and I got two loans from this guy, 251 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: which was really great. Um. And then from there I 252 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: worked in partnerships and so I would find people that 253 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: either had cash or they had an easy w two job, 254 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: and we would partner together and work out some kind 255 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: of split. You know, it might be a fifty fifty 256 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: or sixty forty because I was managing and kind of 257 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: found the property and did all the leg work for them, 258 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: and they were just kind of like riding the coat 259 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: tails and being able to get the mortgage. So I 260 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: still have a few of those relationships, and I think 261 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: that worked out really well. I'm just for the first 262 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: time getting a mortgage on my own, and it feels 263 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: like big girl steps. But you know, I guess lots 264 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: of people probably don't know, but you're able to get 265 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: ten conventional loans in your own name, and so if 266 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: you max that out, it's nice to know that there's 267 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: other creative ways to get loans with other people and 268 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: their names or privately. So yeah, it's good to get creative. Well, Ziana, 269 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: we have listeners basically who live across the United States 270 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: international too, and you know, people who live in Los Angeles, 271 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: people who live in Montgomery, Alabama, and and so you know, 272 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: we're really talking about this wide range of real estate prices, 273 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: just different scenarios. When you're talking about renting in an 274 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: airbnb and actually, like before we started recording, you said 275 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: that you're buying a home in Making, Georgia, just south 276 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: of US, which is fascinating. So obviously it seems like 277 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: you think that airbnb can work in any market. Is 278 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: that true? Or their markets maybe where it doesn't make 279 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: as much sense, Like what do you have to think 280 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: through based on where you live? Yeah, that's really interesting. 281 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: So this place I'm making, that's actually my boyfriend's buying 282 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: it and I'm helping facilitate. I am the puppet master. Um, 283 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: it is not going to be an Airbnb that will 284 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: be long term, but could it work in making? Maybe 285 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: I'd have to do a little more research. I think 286 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: what's been really interesting since COVID is that a lot 287 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: of the places that people thought would be like the 288 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: hot markets forever, like all of the really dense cities, um, 289 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: have become like a little less desirable because people are 290 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: wanting to have more of a like drive to destination 291 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: with space and work from home office. So I was 292 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: finding that some of the kind of out of the 293 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: way b and bs that I manage, we're doing so 294 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: much better. Cabin in the woods so hot right now? Yeah? Yeah, 295 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: So I think it just depends. I would say that 296 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: maybe the middle of nowhere doesn't make sense as much. 297 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: But I've also heard of people that live like right 298 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: off the highway perfectly between two cities and it just 299 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: ended up being like a great stop over. So you 300 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: never really know. I think it's just about doing the 301 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: research ahead of time, and airbnb can work in lots 302 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: of places. Nice. Well yeah, well, I mean that's what 303 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: we're looking to talk about the rest of this episode 304 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,239 Speaker 1: on just we want to get your thoughts on Airbnb 305 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: and you know, some specific tips as folks might be 306 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: looking to dabble in it themselves. And so yeah, we're 307 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: gonna get your thoughts on that on Airbnb specifically. But 308 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: first let's take a quick break. All right, we're back 309 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: from the break. We're talking about making a living on Airbnb. 310 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: We're talking with the Xiana McEntire and we we just 311 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: kind of talked about your you're making rental that's gonna 312 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: be a more long term one. So airbnb versus long 313 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: term rentals. You see more gung ho about Airbnb than 314 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: traditional rental properties. But yeah, you're you're delving into both. 315 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, where do you fall on those? Which ones 316 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: do you like more? And why? I think it's like 317 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: when you're young and starting out, it's great to be 318 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: scrappy and you want to like maximize every little penny, right, 319 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: and I think Airbnb can do that with the right places. 320 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: I think airbnb is the best for a house hack 321 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: if you live on the property, or you're living for 322 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: free because you're renting a room or the basement or 323 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: something like that. It is the best. If you're buying 324 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: a property to airbnb it. There are a lot of 325 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: people in that space that do it professionally, and you 326 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: have potentially a lot of competition based on where you are, 327 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: so that has gotten like a little less profitable. There 328 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: were a few years back where it was like great. 329 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: Every year was like more and more money and you 330 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: could charge more and there was just so much demand. 331 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: And I feel like it's kind of like shrunk down 332 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: a little bit. So I wouldn't say don't do it. 333 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: I would just say make sure that your numbers are 334 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: going to work for you. UM, and I super encourage 335 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: it for anybody that's like actually doing it at their home. 336 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: We just bought a place, my boyfriend and I UM 337 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: in January, and our whole plan was, um, we have 338 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: an extra room here, but we also would rent it 339 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: out any time that we travel and we go and 340 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: do this pet sitting thing um, which basically means that 341 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: we go and watch people's pets and then they don't 342 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: pay us, but we're making like two fifty dollars a 343 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: night on our Airbnb and so we you know, can 344 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: live for free that way, and there's lots of creative 345 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: ways to do that. So specifically, you know, with when 346 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: it comes to like an air to be property, like, 347 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: what is it that you're looking for in a property 348 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: like that you are planning to list on Airbnb? Does 349 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: it truly just come down to the numbers or are 350 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: there other things that you're kind of keeping in mind 351 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: as well? I mean, I think everything comes down to numbers, 352 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: but there are lots of other considerations. I mean, you 353 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: wanted to have kind of like a an interesting look, 354 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: so an Airbnb kind of like I guess I would 355 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: say instagramm herble look, right. So that can be with furnishing, 356 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 1: but it can also be with architecture, and it can 357 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: be with renovations. So it kind of depends on how 358 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: deep you want to get into the project. I personally 359 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: like to buy stuff already renovated in a cool way 360 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: and then I just like move in and furnish it. 361 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: But some people are real scrappy. So yeah, I would 362 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: say the way that it looks is a huge factor 363 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: because you're selling it by photos, um, and yeah, so 364 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: that that's a huge thing. But then the location is 365 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: also something that people really want, and of course that's 366 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: very common in real estate. Everybody talks about location, so 367 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: there are definitely ways to do research about that. But 368 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: you're going to want a location that draws people in. 369 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: It can be next to an airport, it can be 370 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: by a hospital. Hospitals are huge actually, and universities. I 371 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: find that I really like interesting. Those those are good tips. 372 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: I would not have thought I would never have Yeah, 373 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I mean with the hospital specifically. Is that 374 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: just with folks you know unfortunately like coming to visit 375 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: somebody in the hospital and they just need someplace to 376 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: stay for a couple of days. No, actually, so there's 377 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: this huge market of traveling medical professional oh god, like 378 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: nurse housing. Yeah so nurses, doctors, um. Then people that 379 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: are coming from medical treatments and the people visiting people 380 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: with treatments. So yeah, you'd be really surprised about hospitals. Man. Okay, Uh, 381 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: so we're talking a lot about we're using Airbnb, right, 382 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: and and that's kind of where you've really done most 383 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: of your short term your short term rental listings, and 384 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: you've done really well like that. But there are other 385 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: sites out there that compete with Airbnb, like v r 386 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: b O, right, and so, are are there any other 387 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: sites that you feel like people can do just as 388 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: well on Is it worth it to look at airbnbs 389 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: competition or is Airbnb like the only game in town, which, 390 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: by the way, you said v r b O, Yeah, 391 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: they rebraid. Haven't school ads on YouTube verbo? It's the worst. 392 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Every time your verbo, I'm like, nope, I 393 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: reject that v r b O. It's not going to 394 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: buy into your new brand. It's so bad. Um, yes, 395 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: I think it's valad to be on both of those websites. 396 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: I have branched out and tried some of the others, 397 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: and there are hundreds, but I really don't think that 398 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: I get the return that I need. So it's like, no, 399 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: every time you learn a new website, you have to 400 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: learn their like back end, their extra net. It's just 401 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: very complicated. So what I find is that I get 402 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: my bookings on Airbnb. So I really just like, wow, 403 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: I think you could do just Airbnb, but um, I 404 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: think you know, vr b o is is worth it too. Um. 405 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: And then I would say it kind of depends on 406 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: the type of house, because some people tell me that 407 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: they get nine of their stuff from vr b oh. 408 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: I think it's really strange. But I think maybe if 409 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: it's a house that attracts older people or that's I 410 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: don't know, some somewhere where Canadians travel for some reason, 411 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: I think they really use that site. And then if 412 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: you're in Europe, maybe more booking dot Com, but I've 413 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: found them to be very frustrating. So I would say 414 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: that Airbnb is a great place to start. And then 415 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: if you're becoming like an expert the new kind of 416 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: branch out, you know, yeah, yeah, I can picture vr 417 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: b oh. I'm like torn now and like, which, which 418 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: what do you say? Because because you guys love saying 419 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: v r b oh, I instinctively want to say verbo 420 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: because I buy into marketing. But um, you know, so okay, 421 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: so what about managing these properties? Ziana? You know, like, 422 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: how have you gone about managing these rentals? Like as 423 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: you started to build your portfolio. You know, like when 424 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: we talk about real estate, that's one of the most 425 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: consistent responses that we get. Folks say, I don't want 426 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: to manage tenants. So for you, have you found with 427 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: short terminals? Is it really all that bad? No? I 428 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: think it's all about creating systems, right. So, you know, 429 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: with COVID, I found that you could do longer term 430 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: stays like three months and six months, and I actually 431 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: really like that because there's less turnover. But even with 432 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: short term rentals, if you can figure out a way 433 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: to have your cleaner automatically get emails or if she's 434 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: kind of signed into your calendar and so you don't 435 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: have to be back and forth with her, like she 436 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: knows when she cleans, then you're so good. I mean, 437 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: it's really just the inconvenience of a guest learning your 438 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: property every couple of days so there's more communication and 439 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: then the cleaning. So if you've got a really dependable 440 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: cleaner and she knows how to schedule herself, you're pretty 441 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: much n there. I think like one thing that would 442 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: that really helped me when I got started is that 443 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: at first I was really just trying to do it 444 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: all myself and bootstrap it. So I was the cleaner, 445 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: and I was you know, all the guests communication, and 446 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: I created the house manuals and I furnished the place 447 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: and later I found other people to do those things 448 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: or figured out ways to automate it, you know. But 449 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: I think that doing all the tasks helps you know 450 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: how to do it and how to teach it. So 451 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: it's great to start that way. True. Yeah, good, that's 452 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: a that's a good, good tip. I think that's something 453 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: that Matt and I recommend with long term rentals. Two 454 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: is to manage properties yourself, at least in the beginning, 455 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: so that you can know what questions to ask of 456 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: a property manager when you do hire somebody. That that's 457 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: super helpful. Do you think zona changing regulations towards Airbnb 458 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: in some cities, Like, does that make you nervous because 459 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: some people have gotten shut down They bought places specifically 460 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: to rent out on Airbnb and now that's illegal, like 461 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: they can't do that, Like, so does that make you 462 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: nervous and threaten your business model? Yeah, we want to 463 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: make sure that all seven of your properties aren't in Paris. Yeah, 464 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I think at this day and age, most 465 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: places have put in some kind of regulations, so that 466 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, is it going to change over thing. 467 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: I don't think it's as big of a problem as 468 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: it maybe used to be when everything was sort of influx. 469 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: So nowadays you can pretty much plug in like any 470 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: city and short term rental laws in Google and you 471 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: can see either that they are discussing it or they've 472 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: already put in some kind of measures, And a lot 473 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: of places they either wanted to be your primary residence 474 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: or they'll let you have like one some places are open, 475 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: but um, I think it's just about reading the rules 476 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: and then learning how to work within them. I think 477 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: what's also really cool is that a lot of places 478 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: that don't want you to short term, they'll let you 479 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: do thirty days and more. And there's a whole lot 480 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: that can happen in the three to six month rental range, 481 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: which I really love. That whole like travel nurses and 482 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: doctors thing is fantastic. So I wouldn't say that like, 483 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's going to kill your business, like 484 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: there's so much need for furnish rentals. Yeah. Yeah, so 485 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: full disclosure. When my wife and I renovated our house, 486 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: we actually renovated the basement. Uh in. You know, we 487 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: we had an Airbnb listing that we did for a 488 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: little bit there, and we found that over time we 489 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: kind of were we realize what you're saying, where it's like, 490 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: you know what, I feel like the sweet spot for 491 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: us might be someone that was down here for maybe 492 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: about three months or so. But then John, I we 493 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: actually we took it over four podcasting, so we're actually 494 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: sitting down here in the old airbnb. But I'm totally 495 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: with you. I totally get that that kind of sweet 496 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: spot when it comes to two time frames. Well, and 497 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: something else too, you know. You know you mentioned like 498 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about the property that you're looking at down 499 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: and make in how that's not going to be an airbnb. 500 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: But so specifically for you, like how has the global 501 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: pandemic affected you know, the rest of your properties. You know, 502 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw a sharp decline back in the spring, 503 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: but are you seeing a lasting impact because of COVID? 504 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: I would say what I see is just basically discounts. 505 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: It's like a little bit less than what you would 506 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: normally charge, and so that's okay, you know, but I 507 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: think that there was a steady um, maybe two weeks 508 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: where like all of the reservations canceled and that was 509 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: kind of a scary thing. And then it started being 510 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: that like lots of people wanted to go somewhere, but 511 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: like four a month or longer, and so then all 512 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: these places we're getting booked up, and I was really 513 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: surprised to see that. So I think for me, it 514 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: hasn't changed that much. What has changed is that some people, 515 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: because they're having a hard time working, they've decided, oh, 516 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: I have to self manage for a time. So I've 517 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: lost a few listings that way, or some people are 518 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: just uncomfortable renting their homes so they've they've taken them 519 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: off the market. So I've seen a little bit of that. 520 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: But the ones that are open, they're doing fantastic. So 521 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, it's still a very viable business 522 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: model and probably super helpful for people that are not 523 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: making as much money now. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Un 524 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this segment, you mentioned when you travel, 525 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: like you have all these different ways to maybe at 526 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, actually you said credit cards, 527 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: pet sitting. I want to know more about pet sitting 528 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: real quick. How how how you use pet sitting in 529 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: order to travel for cheaper for free? And then yeah, 530 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: maybe detail a couple of other of your favorite hacks 531 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: and how yeah, they allow you to travel for for 532 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: almost no money. Yeah. So I used to just do 533 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: a lot of pet sitting, like word of mouth around Boulder, 534 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: and then I started getting people in other markets from 535 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: Facebook and stuff. So I like maybe two years ago, 536 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: I was like going to St. Thomas and going to 537 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: Mexico and like pet sitting in Hawaii, you know, and 538 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: it was great, They're paying for your plane ticket and 539 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: letting you stay in their house or how's that work? Um? No, 540 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: the further ones away, I would just figure out the 541 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: plane ticket with miles or something like that, and they 542 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: generally didn't pay. Some of the ones that were in 543 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: Boulder would pay. And that's where I live in Boulder, Colorado. 544 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: Um And so that was always just like a bonus. 545 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: But I was renting out my place, so I didn't 546 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: really care about that. But back in the day when 547 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have like it was all word of mouth, 548 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: it ended up just being like sometimes I would stay 549 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: in places and they would be a little dumpy, and 550 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: sometimes it stays somewhere to be fantastic. But now that 551 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: I have this app, so I used Trusted House Sitters 552 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: and it's amazing and I could send you a code 553 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: if you want to share it with your peeps. Um, 554 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: but man, we only stay in places that when I 555 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: see it, I go like, oh that likes exciting, you know, 556 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: like I only stay in sweet like villas and stuff 557 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: like that. But basically, um, if you're on this site, 558 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: like if you set up notifications, there's definitely like ways 559 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: to hack the site. But if you're very quick to 560 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: respond to someone once they post something, um, you can 561 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: get all kinds of wonderful stuff. And right now, because 562 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: of COVID, we're kind of just staying in Colorado. But 563 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: my goodness, we've been in like Breckon Ridge and you know, 564 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: all kinds of places crusted bewd and just having all 565 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: these like wonderful retreats and mountain villas and you know, 566 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: hot tubs and stuff. And then you've got like one 567 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: little cat. But we love pets and we don't have any. 568 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: So I think even like with quarantine, we were just like, 569 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, we need to snuggle something. It's great, Yeah, 570 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: give me a soft labordoodles that kind of. I mean, 571 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: I feel like too, like pets are the perfect way 572 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: to get to know an area, you know, like one 573 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: of the things when my wife, when Kate and I 574 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: purchased our first home, we immediately that was what allowed 575 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: us to then get a dog, Like we knew we wouldn't. 576 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: We didn't want to have a pet until we had 577 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: our own place because we weren't going to do the 578 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: elevator thing and trying to get them outside up you know, 579 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: potty trained them on that kind of thing. But oh 580 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: my gosh, we were able to meet so many of 581 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: our neighbors so quickly just by going out for walks. 582 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: Because you know what, when you have a puppy, everybody, 583 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: everybody's gonna come up and talk to you. But I 584 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: feel like that's just a really cool way to get 585 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: to know a neighborhood. If you are traveling as well, 586 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: just kind of going out for a walk, if you 587 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: have a if you're watching someone's fancy dog, Yeah, yeah, 588 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: this is this is awesome. Uh, we are going to 589 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: take a quick break, but after that we're gonna get 590 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: some more advice from you for individuals who might be 591 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: looking to host their their very first Airbnb, and so 592 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: we'll get to that right after this break. Alright, we'll 593 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: back from the break. We're talking about making a living 594 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: with Airbnb and and a whole lot of other stuff too, 595 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: with Zianna McIntyre. Uh. Zianna, I've hopefully not an awkward 596 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: question for you here, but almost a decade of your 597 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: life has now been dedicated to real estate, lots of 598 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: those endeavors through Airbnb, and you learned about it while 599 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: you were in college. Right, So do you actually feel 600 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: like your college education was necessary to get you where 601 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: you are today? And if you had to go back 602 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: and do it over, would you quit school? Yeah? I 603 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: would say absolutely not. Um. I am a big believer 604 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: that people can self educate, and I mean, I think 605 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of great things that come out of education. 606 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: But if you don't know what you want to do 607 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: and you're just going through the motions, I think it's 608 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: a really expensive way to do that. And I think 609 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm like all about gap years, and I'm all about 610 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: different kinds of technical programs and things that you can 611 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: do until you figure out what you want to do. 612 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: Because what I've sort of seen and at least what 613 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: was true for me is that I didn't really know 614 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: what I wanted until it was like mid to late twenties, 615 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: and so there's a huge period of time there, you know, 616 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: after high school, but like you just kind of try things. 617 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: So I think college can be a really expensive way 618 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: to do that, and I definitely didn't need I think 619 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: I had like I probably pay like sixty grand or 620 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: seventy grand total. I don't have that dead anymore. But 621 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,719 Speaker 1: like I don't think it made it made sense, you know. Yeah, well, 622 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: I mean that's certainly something to I mean, I don't 623 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: I don't personally feel that was an awkward question such 624 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: an open book. You just asked me all the things. 625 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm good. I feel like that's that's important to cover though, too, 626 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: because I mean that is kind of the I mean, 627 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: that's the default, right you go to college, and like 628 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: you said, you know, it's so expensive, especially too, as 629 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: folks are going to these really pricey schools and they 630 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: don't even know what it is that they want to 631 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: get into. It's yeah, it's just like you said, it's 632 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: an expensive lesson to learn. There's a huge backlash right now, 633 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, people are asking their colleges their institutions to 634 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: drastically reduce the price because it's glorified Skype learning session 635 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,719 Speaker 1: at this point in time, pretty crazy. So yeah, we're 636 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: going through definitely like a sea change in how people 637 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: view college and higher education in general. Yeah. So okay, 638 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: so you know, I'm guessing a lot of people, you know, 639 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: who are listening, they're loving your story, right, but they 640 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: may not necessarily want to own or manage a bunch 641 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: of properties themselves, um or at least not yet until 642 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: they discover in their late twenties that that's what they 643 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: want to do. How can someone get started on Airbnb? 644 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: You know? So, like what tips do you have for 645 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: first time hosts? Yeah? I mean I think the best 646 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: thing is to start with your own place, right because 647 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: you have to kind of see if you like it, 648 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: um And so I think the best is like if 649 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: you can rent out a room in your place, and 650 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: it can even be your room, even if you have roommates. 651 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: You can try to work something out where you give 652 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: them a cut, but you get that experience of like, Okay, 653 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: what kind of things do I need for a guest? 654 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: And how what kind of questions are they going to 655 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: ask me? And what is it really like to clean 656 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: for somebody else and just all that kind of stuff. Um. 657 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: It's definitely not rocket science, and I think anybody can 658 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: figure it out, but you have to kind of do it. 659 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: And then after that, I would say, if it's something 660 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: you really love, it's great to go try to find 661 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: somebody that you can manage their property. And the reason 662 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: I think that's great is because it's no cost to you. 663 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: So you know, if you find a friend or you know, 664 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: a family member that has maybe a cabin that they 665 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: don't use that much, um, you can ask them to 666 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: buy the sheets and the towels and all the things, 667 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: and they give you a house furnished and they're covering 668 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: the mortgage and basically you're only making a percentage and 669 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: it could be you know, twenty to um, but it's 670 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: basically like you make money when they make money. So 671 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: they're excited about it and you're excited about it. But 672 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: it's really no cost to you. So I think that's 673 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: a great way to kind of start and test the waters. 674 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: But of course, make the mistakes on your own place 675 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: before you go and do it on other people's places. Nice. 676 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: I love that, Yeah, I mean, that's what's so great 677 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: too about airbnb is that you can just try it out. 678 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's not this huge commitment. It's like, you know, 679 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: snap a few pictures, make the make the listing happen, 680 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: make it look nice. Yeah, and then you can just 681 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 1: try it out and then if you don't like it, 682 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: you just stop. Quit after three nights if you're done. Yeah. Uh, 683 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: what are some of the most creative ways you've seen 684 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: people make money from their house any in particular outside 685 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: of the box ways you've seen people make revenue and 686 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: generating an income doing this. Yeah. So I have this friend, 687 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: Shelley and um in Colorado Springs, which like an hour 688 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: and a half from here, and I think she was 689 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: wanting to go camping one summer and looked at the 690 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: nearby camp sites for her family and realized like, wow, 691 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: it's all booked like months in advance, you know, you 692 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: can't get a spot anywhere. And so then she thought, well, 693 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: we have a backyard. What if we put a tent 694 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: up here and we you know, charged the same It 695 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: was like forty dollars a night for a camp spot. 696 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,719 Speaker 1: So they're like, okay, can we do it here? So 697 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: they have this really cool backyard that overlooks like open 698 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: space and you can just go like walking out on 699 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: trails outside of their yards. And I don't even think 700 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: they provided a tent. They just provided the spot with 701 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: like some s'more supplies and a little fire pit and 702 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: they have a cute yard with like, um, you know, 703 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: patio furniture and that was it. Um And I think 704 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: they we're making I don't know, eight hundred a month 705 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: or something like that, but like it was a game 706 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: changer for her and now she probably manages about five 707 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: properties or so, but um, it really just like changed 708 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: her life. So I think there are so many cool 709 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: creative ways that you can start. That is impressive. Yeah, 710 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: I've got a friend here in Atlanta and he and 711 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: his wife they have a too i think to tps 712 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 1: now in their backyard. So they basically live on this 713 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: little farm and they created these tepees, uh, and they've 714 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: got like goats and chickens and stuff like that. But yeah, 715 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: that's part of their whole attraction is that it kind 716 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: of feels like you're you're on a farm, but you 717 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: also get to sleep in tepees and you kind up 718 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: with the goats or now you're a lot of pet 719 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: them and it's like kick you, Um, well you got 720 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: to Like you mentioned too, how like there's a lot 721 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: of competition. We're kind of out of that phase where 722 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 1: the rates were kind of climbing year after year. There's 723 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: more places listed now than there ever have been on Airbnb. 724 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 1: So for someone starting out, how would they make their 725 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: listing stand out on Airbnb? You know? Like I heard 726 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: you talking about the furnishings, is that, you know, one 727 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: of the ways to go about it is just kind 728 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: of like picking up cool furniture or yeah, how would 729 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 1: you recommend for folks to do that? I think that's 730 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: a big piece. I think that the kind of days 731 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: of well, I'll just put up like my dorm looking 732 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 1: very minimalist place that doesn't work anymore. And I mean, 733 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: I'll admit that's how I started. You know, I was 734 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: like five, and I didn't have any money, and everything 735 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: like was mismatchy. But now you need to kind of 736 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: do a little research, you know, look through a couple 737 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: interior design magazines or Pinterest or something, um, and it 738 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be expensive. I do most of my 739 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: stuff secondhand, probably all of it, but with Facebook, Marketplace 740 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: and like Craigslist now you can find so many cool pieces. 741 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, I definitely think it needs to be colorful, 742 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: it has to have texture. It just really needs to 743 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: pop in a photo. And then I would say, for 744 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: sure you have to do professional photography. Lots of people 745 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: want to skimp on that, but it really sells it 746 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: um and that's that's your barrier. Picks aren't going cut 747 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: it um. Yeah. I mean I've seen some people have 748 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: some really cool um filters and like they know how 749 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: to do, but like I don't do that well. So 750 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I think professional photos are definitely 751 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: better than just baseline iPhone photos. Yeah for sure. Yeah. Alright, 752 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: So so another thing too, when it comes to how 753 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 1: this functions in reality, if you do attempt to run 754 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: a place out on Airbnb, there's a certain amount of 755 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: like optimization that needs to take place in order for 756 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: it not to consume your life. I think Matt found 757 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: that out too when he was attempting to run out 758 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: his basement. So, like, what are some of your best 759 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: tips for optimizing property so that you're not constantly thinking 760 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: about it constantly beholden to the notifications or a booking 761 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: attempt or having to get in touch with the cleaner. Yeah, 762 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean specifically, I'll say, like I mean the number 763 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: of settings for a listing all on AIRBB it's unreal, 764 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: Like there's all these menus and sub menus and you know, 765 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: it's it's really hard to navigate. I was actually really 766 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: surprised at the just the pure quantity of options, you 767 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 1: know when you log into your listing on your phone. 768 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: But yeah, I would love to hear you speak to 769 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: that as well. Yeah. I think it's really funny because 770 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: they add stuff all the time, but they don't notify you. 771 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: So you go in there and you're like, well, what's 772 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: this that's lily weird feature that I have to fill 773 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: out or nobody will think I'm relevant. Um, yeah, it's 774 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: really weird with that. But as far as optimizing, I 775 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: would say there's lots of little things that you could 776 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: do that you kind of learn along the way. So 777 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: like somebody might have one set of sheets for their bed, 778 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: but if you have a second or third set, then 779 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: they can optimize the laundry. So that's like a very 780 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: small but quick fix that makes a big deal. I 781 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 1: would say figuring out an automated way that you're cleaner 782 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: is getting notification, So whether it's having like an email 783 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: that transfers to her every time it comes in from Airbnb, 784 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: or it's having a shared calendar that will save your 785 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: life because all of the back and forth and oh 786 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: I mistakenly said it was this day and not at 787 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: day like that will that will kill you, you know, 788 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: So you definitely want to have that. I would say. Also, 789 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: there are saved replies that you can set up an 790 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: Airbnb like right in the app, and those are really 791 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: helpful too, because you'll start to find like people will 792 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,919 Speaker 1: ask you the same few questions like you know, what's 793 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: the parking, what's the WiFi? You know, do you have 794 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: a grill or whatever? And if you plug in those 795 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 1: saved replies, you don't have to type it out every 796 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: single time. You just click the button. And so yeah, 797 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 1: I think those kinds of little things make it really easy. 798 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: Um as far as settings go, I mean, when you 799 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: set up an Airbnb account, there is an option to 800 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: use their wizard that kind of like walks you through 801 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: and ask you questions, but it's definitely not comprehensive. It's 802 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: just like the basics. I think that it's important to 803 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: go through every tab and kind of educate yourself the 804 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: first time. Um So I do listing creation for a 805 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: lot of people, but I still tell them like go 806 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: in there and see all the settings. I'll tell you 807 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: what we're doing, and we'll talk about it ahead of time, 808 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: but like you should know what options there are. And 809 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: I don't know if they actually do it, but you're 810 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: basically like an Airbnb sherpa at this point. Seriously, Yeah, well, 811 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: so I want to follow up to with with the 812 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: with the cleaning multiple times now, you mentioned cleaners, and 813 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: you also mentioned too that like one of the easiest 814 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: ways to kind of get started is by running out 815 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,399 Speaker 1: your own room or maybe running out an extra room 816 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: in your house. You know, early on, a lots of 817 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,439 Speaker 1: this might a lot of this cleaning might fall on you, 818 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: right like it's it's maybe the best way to save money. 819 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: It's it's a wave that you can be scrappy. Is 820 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: there a way to make cleaning easier, because that's one 821 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: of the things that we found to say, I have 822 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: an Airbnb and I manage it myself. What that means 823 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: is I clean and I flip, you know, like that's all. 824 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 1: It really feels like like yes, you get to meet 825 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: them and you know, or talk to them, I guess 826 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: if you want. But you know the rest of it, 827 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 1: like that's time consuming, is the cleaning aspect of it. 828 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 1: So I didn't know if you had any tips for folks, 829 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, if they're just getting started and they don't 830 00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: want to have a cleaner, Like, what would you recommend 831 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: from the standpoint of, you know, making a space easier 832 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: to clean and flip? Yeah, So this is how it 833 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: worked for me because I would always rent out my 834 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: own place and I would do it like on the 835 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: drop of a hat. If I had an opportunity to 836 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: stay at a person's house or babysit or do something 837 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: where I wouldn't be in my house, I was doing it. 838 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 1: So for me, the key was to live really clean, 839 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: Like I was doing a little bit of cleaning every 840 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: day and that made my house really clean. Now, if 841 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: you're doing an additional space, first, I'll say about a 842 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: room in a house, right, so it's a room that 843 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: you don't actually live in. That to just flip one room, 844 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: you're basically you know, cleaning the floor, wiping the surfaces, 845 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: doing the sheets. That can be ten minutes. So if 846 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: the rest of your house is always clean and maintained. 847 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: It's not that bad if you're talking about a totally 848 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: different space. It's really dependent on if those people left 849 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: it like a crazy mass. Sometimes people look like they 850 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: didn't even stay. You know, they'll even like remake the 851 00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: dirty bed, and you're like, why did you do that? Yeah, 852 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: So I mean with something like that. I found that 853 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: for me it was helpful to have kind of like 854 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,839 Speaker 1: a routine in the house. So you can either have 855 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: like a checklist or something, but you know that you 856 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: do it the same way every time, because I noticed personally, 857 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: I would get really overwhelmed if I saw a really 858 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 1: dirty place and then I was like, Okay, I'm grabbing 859 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,919 Speaker 1: this one thing and then going into this other room 860 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: and then I'm lost and it's taken me three hours 861 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: when it should have been one. But if I had 862 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: like a checklist, I'd be like, okay, I'm doing the 863 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: sheets first, and then I'm doing this next thing. It 864 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: kind of helped me stay on task even when it 865 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: was harder. Nice. I love that. Yeah, that's great advice. 866 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: All right, Ziana. This has been great, And I think 867 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: like education for a lot of people who are interested 868 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: in pursuing, you know, renting out whether it's part of 869 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,720 Speaker 1: their own home on Airbnb to make some some side income, 870 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: or pursuing it even in a bigger context kind of 871 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, like you're doing. Um, so yeah, where where 872 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: can our audience find out more about what you're up to? Yeah, 873 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: I have a blog on Ziona McEntire dot com and 874 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,240 Speaker 1: it shows all the different offerings I have about Airbnb 875 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: creation and consulting and I'm becoming a real estate agent, 876 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,399 Speaker 1: so you know, all the thanks very cool. We will 877 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: make sure to to link to your blog your site 878 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 1: there on our show notes. Uh and then Zianna, thanks 879 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, we really enjoy this conversation. I hope 880 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: that this has been just a nice like Airbnb one 881 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: oh one kind of interview for for all of our 882 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 1: listeners out there who might be looking for ways to 883 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: to supplement their own income. So thanks again for for 884 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: coming on the podcast. Thanks again, Siana, Matt. That was 885 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: like such a great conversation. Zianna is basically the Airbnb shirt, 886 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: I like I said, so, I like that you said that, 887 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: darning because it really is a perfect way of describing 888 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: what it is that she's done, you know, like she's 889 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: gone through this herself and now she's helping our listeners 890 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: figure out how how they can potentially do this as well. Yeah, 891 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: and I think there were a lot of creative ideas. 892 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: That was a fun conversation. All right, So what was 893 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 1: your big takeaway from this episode? Man? Yeah, okay, well 894 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: mine how to do with not just Airbnb specifically, but 895 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 1: just real estate as a whole. How if we implement 896 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: systems and how it is that we do things, it 897 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: can make anything just way more doable, way more approachable. Right. 898 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: We really do hear that all the time that folks 899 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: are they complain about renters, they complain about you know, 900 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: the calls in the middle of the night. Guess what, 901 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: I've never had a call in the middle of the 902 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: night because that's not how I communicate with my tenants, 903 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: you know. Uh. And so implementing systems can make something 904 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: that seems a little more daunting and a little more scary, 905 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: like real estate, like Airbnb, it makes it way more approachable. 906 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: And that carries over to with the way she talked 907 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,800 Speaker 1: about cleaning an airbnb, right, she talked about having that 908 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: checklist that's just a mini system, like that's all that is. 909 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: It's just a way for you to stick to a 910 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: plan that you know works, and so when it keeps 911 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: to cleaning, knowing that this is the best order that 912 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: I should clean this apartment in, We'll just make sure 913 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: you hit that every single time, like, regardless of how 914 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: the place actually looks. I think that truly is the 915 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 1: best way to minimize the amount of time that you 916 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,399 Speaker 1: are dedicating towards your airbnb. That's just a great way 917 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: to keep it from becoming this massive time suck fanomizes frustration, right, Yeah, absolutely, man. 918 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,399 Speaker 1: So yeah, so what about you? What was your big 919 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: takeaway for this interview? Yeah, I really you know that 920 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,879 Speaker 1: that first question in the last segment when we talked 921 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: about her college experience and whether or not it was 922 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: worth it. And I don't want to disparage college, like 923 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: I have a college degree and it I'm glad that 924 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:15,800 Speaker 1: I got it, and I think there's a lot of 925 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,399 Speaker 1: value there. I think thinking about how much it cost 926 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: is really important. But but one of the things that 927 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 1: she said in that reply was that you should try things. 928 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 1: There's like this period in your life where you're not 929 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: really sure what you want to do, and typically that's 930 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: in your early twenties. There's a lot of exploration there's 931 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: a lot of trying and failing. There's a lot of 932 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,279 Speaker 1: thinking through what you want your life to look like. 933 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 1: And I think the more things you try, the more 934 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,840 Speaker 1: you're willing to to give it a go, then the 935 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,800 Speaker 1: more likely you are to find something that's super enjoyable 936 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,839 Speaker 1: that you can do for a longer period of time. 937 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: And it took her friend essentially convincing her over the 938 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: period of the year, especially when she when she heard 939 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: that number fifts. I mean, that's convincing right there. And 940 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: she could have easily stuck to something more conventional and said, 941 00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: you know, I've got this college degree, I need to 942 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: use it, but she opted to try something new, and 943 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: that new thing has panned out into a decade long 944 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 1: career in real estate. So yeah, I love seeing that 945 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: and I love hearing how trying something new seems to 946 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: have led to something bigger than she could have really 947 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: thought or imagined. Totally. Man, Yeah, I really appreciated that 948 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: she was, you know, all about the gap year, all 949 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,280 Speaker 1: about traveling, seeing the world, just seeing how other people 950 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,239 Speaker 1: are living their lives and not necessarily confining yourself to 951 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: like your bubble. You know, essentially, a lot of us 952 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,800 Speaker 1: kind of grew up in a bubble, not a pandemic bubble, 953 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 1: but just our entire childhood and leading into too high 954 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: school and college, and there are certain expectations on us, 955 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: and for certain folks, I think kind of stepping out 956 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,800 Speaker 1: of that is more challenging than others. I think obviously 957 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 1: some people are just predisposed to just trying new things. 958 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 1: But for those who aren't predisposed, you know, for those 959 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: who like to play it safe, I think that's certainly 960 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,720 Speaker 1: a yeah, a great challenge for those folks as well. Joel, 961 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 1: all right, let's take it back to our beer man. 962 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: This episode, you and I had a chocolate peanut butter porter. Uh. 963 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,879 Speaker 1: And this is by a brewery? Is it lupelin? Lupulin maybe? Yeah, 964 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: something like that. We've never I've never had a beer 965 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 1: by these guys before war, but yeah, what we were thoughts, 966 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: Are this a brewery out of Minnesota? I've heard good 967 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: things picked us up at the local package store. Yeah, 968 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: and chocolate peanut butter porter. The first thing you think 969 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: about is a Reese's peanut butter cup, And you know, 970 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,439 Speaker 1: had elements of that for sure, but it wasn't over 971 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,480 Speaker 1: the top at the same time, so I thought it 972 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 1: was approachable. It had those nice chocolate and peanut butter notes. 973 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: Going on with Halloween coming up makes me think I'm gonna, uh, 974 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,880 Speaker 1: stealing some of my little girls Reese's peanut butter cups, 975 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 1: and I'll be reminded of the speer when I when 976 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,319 Speaker 1: I do. Is that your favorite Reese's peanut butter cups? No, 977 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,399 Speaker 1: it's not. It's not that's your favorite. So I really 978 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: like the like the gummy worms. Man, I'm a gummy 979 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: So you're a sugar kind of guy. Yeah, So when 980 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: we divide up the candy, you always you gotta have 981 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: the sugar bucket and then you have the chocolate bucket. 982 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,719 Speaker 1: Give me some of those kittles, because you can't mix 983 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,480 Speaker 1: them together if you got them. If you leave them together, 984 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 1: they'll start to taste like each other. All the chocolate 985 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,320 Speaker 1: ends up tasting like fruit, and you don't want that. Terrible. 986 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: I prefer the chocolate bucket unless with the sugar guy. 987 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: And so for me, peanut butter cups there they rank 988 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,479 Speaker 1: up there, and so do snicker bars. See, we would 989 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 1: have been perfect butter fingers as well. It would be 990 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: perfect if we were friends as kids. So we could 991 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 1: have swapped candy Um after Halloween. It was destined to 992 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,200 Speaker 1: be for me, man, I I really enjoyed this beer 993 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,840 Speaker 1: and it wasn't overly sweet. And I bet that's probably 994 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 1: why you like this one. I know you don't like 995 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: beers that are too sweet, and with us one being 996 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,320 Speaker 1: a peanut butter porter, it definitely could have gone that way. Obviously. 997 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 1: I think it would have been a little more sweet 998 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,399 Speaker 1: if it was a stout, but with it being a porter, 999 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,760 Speaker 1: it was lighter in body, but it was also lighter 1000 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 1: in sugar. It kind of finished out a little bit dry. 1001 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: And you know what, it kind of made me think 1002 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,919 Speaker 1: of the old school candy. And I think I've said 1003 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: this before, but a bit of honey or bit oh honey, 1004 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 1: or like Mary Jane maybe like like one of those 1005 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 1: old old school candies, uh, that are kind of like toffee, 1006 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: but they kind of have peanut butter and peanuts mixed 1007 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,960 Speaker 1: into him. That's what this reminded me of. I don't 1008 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 1: know why I just stuck out in my mind. It 1009 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 1: took me back to a time before I was even born. 1010 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: But I enjoyed this woman. Glad you picked it up. 1011 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,280 Speaker 1: Glad we got to share it together today on the episode, 1012 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,279 Speaker 1: and that's gonna be it for today. 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