WEBVTT - How Déjà Vu Works 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.680 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.159 from house Stuff Works dot com and be sure to 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:13.440 check out the new Stuff you Should Know blog now 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:17.520 on the house Stuff Works homepage. This podcast is brought 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:20.720 to you by Audible dot com, the Internet's leading provider 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.560 of spoken word entertainment. Get a free audio book download 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.760 of your choice when you sign up today. Blog onto 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:33.280 audible podcast dot com slash stuff today for details. Hey, 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.720 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. With me 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.159 is Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Uh. And you put the 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:42.320 two of us together, you know that you have stuff 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.040 you should know? Right? That's right, Josh, as you're doing there, Chuff, 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.519 I know you're laughing because I am doing a little thing. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.199 I have punk in my ear and I could use 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.480 a cute tip if you have one. Hey, fun fact. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.000 Did you know that cute tips originally called baby gaze? 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.000 Baby Gaze? I don't think I knew that, but it 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.520 sounds familiar. True story story. Very cool. I like starting 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.720 off with a fact that has nothing to do with 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:08.160 our show. Sure, right, So, Chuck, speaking of having nothing 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.640 to do with our show. Um, let's talk about deja vu? 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.240 You ever had it? I have? And uh, let me 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.959 add this as a listener suggestion. Yeah. Dedicated to one 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.679 Peter Harrison of Pittman, New Jersey, Keeping It Real and 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.880 New Jersey in the Garden State. He actually had deja 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:28.080 vu when he was listening to I Believe our Exorcism podcast. 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:32.399 So weird the thought of it unsettling one to have 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:34.480 deja vu over I would think. It turns out we 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.000 had a great article on it, so away we go. Yeah, 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.480 let's do this, Chuck. You know, are you part of 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:45.399 the thirty percent who has reported never having all? I 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.720 guess just hasn't reported having deja vu? Are you part 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.080 of the sixty to seventy seventy It definitely have had 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.560 deja many, many times. I was actually surprised to find 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:56.640 that number was as low as it was. I thought 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.720 it'd be hovering in the nineties, you know, and then 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:00.840 the other people were just too late. Say you'd ever say, yeah, 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.320 I've had deja vu. It seems like something everybody would have, right, right, 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.440 or nothing familiar has ever happened to me exactly like 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.880 I don't pay attention to anything at all. Right, I 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.280 just watched you know, Dancing with the Stars all the time. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.959 So um, alright, chuck, Well, let's let's start with the 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.200 nuts and bolts, shall we. Deja vu French four French 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.640 four already seen and I believe it was named by 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.679 Emil Borak, who was a French scientist, first guy to 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.360 ever study it, so he take it its name in 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:34.880 his eighteen seventy six book Leveneer decien Ces Physiques. Wow, 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.200 thank you three years under my belt, pal, I feel 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.960 like you just channeled Peppy le Pew. So deja vu, 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:45.120 as everyone knows is uh is a feeling that you've 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.720 seen or experienced something before when you know that you 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:53.520 have not. Yeah. Yeah, it's a sense of familiarity, unplaced familiarity. Right. 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.520 For instance, I walk into a store I've never been 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.280 in and uh see a person I've never seen. I think, wow, 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.760 this is feel eerily familiar. Yeah. What usually happens to me, 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:07.400 I'm part of the sixties to self reported, Um, and uh, 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.079 what happens to me usually is there's about three different 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.920 things that are going on in conjunction with one another, Like, um, 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.600 you know, a fish jumps in a lake, and a 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.520 woman walks by with a baby stroller and then like 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:24.560 as a cloud passes in front of the sun, it'll 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.200 that's how my deja vu is. And I'm like, wow, 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.920 I've been standing in the same spot watching these the 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.200 same group of things happen, and then it just kind 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:36.280 of passes. Interesting. I'm like, WHOA, I don't know if 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.480 I could categorize mine that specifically, but well done, thanks, 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.040 thank you very much. That's my deja vu. Um. But yeah, 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:48.040 so essentially, um, what was the guy's named war Rock? He? Uh, 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.920 he mentioned deja vu, but he didn't really go into 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.960 detail about it. The first really respected I guess scientist 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.800 to really take up the mantle was Freud, right, and 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.720 he basically created the theory that that was the driving 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.920 explanation behind deja vu throughout the twentieth century. Um, and 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.880 that was that he uh, he believed it were that 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.720 deja vu was the result of repressed memories. He said 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.600 that about everything everything. If it wasn't about the penis 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.840 or the vagina, it was about repressed memories and possibly 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.200 mother's teet. Yeah, I went to the Freud house. Did 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.479 you have a nice photo in front of it? That's 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.120 that's great side. Yeah, what what city is that? Vienna? 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.200 I am almost positive it was Vienna. We'll find out, 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.840 won't we. Yes, Yeah, trapsed around though, and all those 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:43.480 memories aren't firmly rooted. So there's a deja vu joke 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.360 in there somewhere. I just can't find it right now, 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.120 so we'll just keep going. Huh, sure, we'll edit in later. 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.400 All right. So, at some point, as we said, Freud, 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.520 you know, he deja vu explained. And then once Freud 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.919 basically was found out to be a m basically a fraud. Okay, 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:03.880 well U co addicted um postulator rather than maybe a 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.560 real scientist. In my opinion, I'm more of a young 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.919 Gian than than the Freudian. Of course, Um, I'm a doctor, 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:14.160 phil guy, are you? You can't go wrong with that guy. Um. Eventually, 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:18.680 at some point in time, the deja vu was attached 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.920 to the paranormal. I'm not entirely certain when this happened, 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:23.600 but you know, you you've heard that kind of thing 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.400 like it had to do with precognition. Yeah, and and 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.160 real scientists wouldn't They kind of just brushed it aside. Well, actually, 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:35.320 one one um does explain deja vu through precognitive dreams. 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.400 But we'll get to that later, right, that's right. Um, 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.800 but yeah, that that anytime you put the stank of 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:44.520 paranormal onto something that's arguably real, people science just turns 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.360 her back on it. They can't stand things that they 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.000 can't apply the scientific method to whether it's real or not. Right, 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.400 So everybody just kind of dropped, at least the scientific 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:57.320 community kind of dropped deja vu until our great friend, 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.240 the functional m r I was invented a k a. 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:04.159 The Wonder Machine, and it sparked this renewed interest in 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.440 research into into deja vu. Right. Well, yeah, because now 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:09.599 you can actually look at the brain function and try 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.640 and figure out the science behind it instead of just 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:16.320 doing the Freudian thing which just makes stuff up. Right. Um, 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:21.000 So this is really really really new research. I mean 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.880 just last several years. Right, So the jury is still 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.279 definitely out, which is good for us and our listeners 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.240 because we get to talk about a bunch of competing 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:30.720 theories that are super cool, and there's a lot of them. 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.640 I think they're the articles. It's like over forty theories 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.840 of what actually is and I think we shouldn't go 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.760 into all four this would be a four hour podcast. 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:44.440 But they they've basically split deja vu into two two 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:49.800 broad categories. Right, there's associative and biological. And which one 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:53.400 is associative. Well, that's the one that most people out 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:58.200 there probably are more familiar with. And that's when you 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.080 your senses are reacting and you see here, smell something 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.159 that stirs up a feeling inside you, and uh it's 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.320 you know, it's memory based, and it's very fleeting, like 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:12.800 ten to twenty seconds and shorter than that. Actually, yeah, 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.800 I would say less than ten. Usually is there a 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:20.200 baby carriage involved? Um? These this is this is a 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.320 deja vu among generally healthy people. Right, so we're not 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.360 we're not really attaching any real meaning to it. It's 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.840 more like a WHOA, that was cool deja vu kind 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.000 of thing. Right. The other one, biological is actually the 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:40.080 result of like some sort of structural impairment to the brain. Um, say, epilepsy, yeah, um, 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:44.680 possibly schizophrenia. Uh. And these are these episodes are much 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:49.760 more vivid um deja vu than than associative deja vu. 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:54.200 And uh, the people who experience biological deja vu have 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.400 much more of a tendency to attach real meaning to 0:07:56.480 --> 0:08:00.600 it and really believe like they they're experiencing something to wise, right, 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.600 it's not like a fleeting feeling. And if you're an 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:07.160 epileptic and you have a case of vivid deja vu, 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.600 prepare for a seizure. Oh, it's it's right before the seizure, 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.680 right before. Yeah. And apparently they also smell flowers, sometimes 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:17.120 two or oranges, that's what I've heard. Interesting, I agree. 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:21.040 So those are the two broad categories. Right. Still, it 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:25.600 doesn't really explain anything right now, it doesn't um with 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.640 with the biology. It seems like researchers have the biological 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:32.040 explanation of deja vu down a little more pat it's 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.840 a little more medically based. Yeah, it's like a temporal 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:39.520 lobe malfunction possibly. Um. And actually it seems like the temple, 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.880 the temporal lobe has everything to do with deja vu, 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:47.320 whether it's structural or you know, associative, right, because that's 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:51.240 where our conscious memory is is happening basically, which would 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:57.360 be a pretty appropriate place for deja vu to take place, rightly, Um, So, basically, Uh, 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.680 there's this part called the there's a part there's a 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:05.720 temporal lobe region called the medial temporal lobe and um, that's, 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.840 like you said, the part that's responsible for processing conscious memory. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:14.839 And there's this guy named Robert Efron, and he's a neurologist. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:19.360 I take it of some stripe and he did some 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.200 investigation into the temporal lobe and he found that it 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:29.080 receives information the same sensory input twice in Yeah, and 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.199 it's still held up his valid It makes a lot 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.920 of sense. Okay, So what what Effron postulated was that 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.480 if we're getting the same information twice, ones direct to 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.600 the temporal lobe, which which process of sensory information. The 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:47.120 other one is slightly indirect. It gets routed through the 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.840 right hemisphere of the brain and then shoots over to 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:53.120 the to the left hemisphere of the temporal lobe within milliseconds. 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.560 But there is a delay. There's a lag. And so 0:09:55.640 --> 0:10:00.360 what Efron said was if this delay is longer than normal, 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.600 extended by even a couple of milliseconds, the brain has 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.040 the potential to confuse you know what what, I guess 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.400 kind of time stamper, you know what situation or context 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.040 that this this um this century input was taken in 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:19.240 UM and maybe a sign uh an incorrect category Hence 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.360 we get the feeling that we've been there before, we've 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.360 experienced this before because we're we're confused, and that's what 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.120 deja vu is, which makes tons of sense. Pretty cool. Yeah, 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.960 that's certainly not the only uh theory of what deja 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.000 vu is, No, uh, cell phone theory, So we talk 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.360 about that. Yes, this Dr Alan Brown is a guy 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.720 who's don't on our research in this area as well, 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.720 and he did studies at Duke University and SMU Southern 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:48.839 Methodist with Elizabeth Marsh it's a lady's name. And what 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.360 they did was they worked with subliminal suggestion, which is 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.719 one of my favorite things. I think it's really cool 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:58.880 and interesting. Uh. They showed photographs of different locations to 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.040 students and they're gonna you know, the plan was to 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.760 ask them which ones were familiar, but before they did this, 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:09.320 they showed the same photos at subliminal speeds so like 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.720 ten of twenty milliseconds. And what happened was the brain 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.560 of course registered it and unconsciously, right unconsciously, and that 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:21.000 they found familiarity with these slides of locations that they've 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.240 never been to. Like they showed the people the same 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:27.280 picture uh once in a split second, and then later 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.080 on they thought that they hadn't seen it before, but 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.120 the brain had already unconsciously a process there, right, And 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.200 you got it, buddy, so and and there was an 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:39.319 increase in deja vu among those people. Yeah, and um, 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.600 I saw a thing on YouTube and this isn't exactly 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:43.679 deja vu, but this is a really cool thing. There 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.720 was a guy in England named Darren Brown. He's a 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:51.240 magician and mentalist, which I think is a great title. Uh, 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.160 And he did this, if you look up on YouTube 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.040 Darren Brown and subliminal advertising. He did the school deal 0:11:56.080 --> 0:12:00.000 where he brought in these two advertising guys and said, hey, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.680 I want you to come up with an advertising plan 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.319 for me based on taxidermy. And that's all he told him. 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.280 And then he sat down an envelope and said this 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.400 is my plan and don't look at it or anything 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.160 like that sealed. These guys came up with a little 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.960 you know, sketch and a logo and a and a tagline. 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.040 He came back in ten minutes later or however long 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.440 it was, and opened up his envelope and the logo, 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:26.280 the tagline, everything was really really really similar. And these guys. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.400 These ad guys were just blown away. And then it 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:34.200 showed a replay of their trip to the studio where 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.559 they did this, and he had placed these little subliminal 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.760 suggestions everywhere. One is a little sticker on the inside 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.200 of their cab. One was on a road sign that 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.559 they passed. One was a group of students that were 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.600 wearing a T shirt with a logo that passed in 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.000 front of the car. And their brains picked all this 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:54.400 stuff up. It was again Darren Brown. Okay, what was 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.320 the name of the clip? Do you remember, Darren Brown? 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:01.199 Subliminal advertising, very direct and appropriate it yes, So what 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.840 are you doing there, Chuck? You okay? Well, yeah, my 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.760 ear is uh got some gunk in it? Oh yeah, yeah, 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.440 I could use a qute tip. Actually, hey, Chuck, did 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:13.480 you know that qute tips originally called baby gaze gay 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.040 as in g A y S. I didn't know that, 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.480 but that sounds familiar back in. That's what it's interesting. 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:24.480 Another aside. Sorry, So okay, Chuck, that cell phone theory, right, 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.920 that's what it was called. That was Alan Brown. Yeah, 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:32.080 so it um it applies to deja vu in that 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.040 I guess Dr Brown is saying that we are when 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.880 we're not really paying attention, when we're distracted, UM, we're 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:44.120 still processing sensory information unconsciously. So then let's say you 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.040 walk into a room and you're not really paying attention 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.800 to you're talking to somebody. Um, when you do turn 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.400 your attention to your surroundings and you start taking that 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:56.000 sensory and putting consciously, that's where potentially where deja vu 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.360 comes in. Because we're comparing this new conscious sensory and 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.480 put into something or brain is already familiar with him. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.280 We're like, whoa, I've been here before. And they found 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.880 that some people that are stressed and have anxiety are 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.240 more prone to it. They also found that people who 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:13.760 are refreshed and rested are more prone to it. So yeah, 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.120 we're still getting a handle on deja vu. Right. Yeah, 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.000 one study says one thing and the other says the 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.960 exact opposite. I love those. I've got another study, beautiful, 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.520 let's hear it. It's called the hologram study. Good one. Okay, 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:29.080 So this guy's name is Hermann's no s no no W, 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:33.320 and he's Dutch, and um, he basically has the theory 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:37.760 that UM memory memories are like a hologram, right, like 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:42.760 a three D construct, and they are if you take it, 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:44.960 just a small piece of it, you can reconstruct a 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.920 memory from it. But if you take a very very 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.600 small fragment, the memory is not going to be completely 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.960 accurate or true. Right. So Dr Snow's theory actually I 0:14:56.000 --> 0:15:00.560 think he's a philosopher. Maybe his theory is that, uh, 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:05.560 we have little snippets of memory brought back, we recall 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.680 them that are triggered by something familiar, but then we 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:12.440 reconstruct those memories incorrectly too, and we use that immediate 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:16.960 um experience. Uh say, getting into a car, we have 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.880 a memory that we've forgotten about a similar car um so, 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.320 but we still recall a little bit of it, but 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.840 we reconstructed around the car that we're in right now, 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.440 and we feel like we've been there before. He's a psychiatrist, 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.760 by the way, thank you for that. Thank you, no 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.400 listener mail on that one. Fact checking as we go. Yeah, 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:37.480 you're quick, chuck, thank you you got any more? Uh? Well, 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.560 I know you probably wanted to hit um the precognitive 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.200 dream thing. Yeah, and I don't remember who came up 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.760 with this one, do you. Yeah. Swiss scientist Arthur funk Houser. Okay, 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.240 so funk Houser with the coolest name on the planet. 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:57.880 He he believed that we actually have dreams that pretend 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.960 the future, if essentially very cool, um, and that it's 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:05.800 generally mundane stuff that we easily forget. And he actually 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.160 conducted a study I think back in nine of a 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:12.040 bunch of kids at Oxford and found that something somewhere 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:16.000 around like twelve point seven percent of their dreams eventually 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.880 bore a striking similarity to future events. And he said, 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.600 it's as simple as that we we have somehow have 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:28.360 an ability to see what's coming down the road. Uh, 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.160 And that's where deja vu comes from. Well, I did, 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.680 like you said, it was usually more mundane things. What 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.800 he theorized, and this makes sense too, is that if 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.480 if it wasn't mundane, were more likely to remember it 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.000 in our you know, just waking conscious right, and these 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:43.760 are the ones that slipped between the cracks, right, and 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:45.840 since it was Monday, since we can forget it. That 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.880 would explain that kind of hazy quality that um that 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.840 deja vu always has. You know, it's nothing's quite right 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.600 all of a sudden, it's pretty cool, yeah, uh. And 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.640 and actually, interestingly, his theory was backed up by another 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:05.000 study from I found similar results, except that it was 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.959 more in the ten percent of you know, dreams pretend 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.199 the future. I think it's actually ten percent of the 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.639 people have dreams that could not ten percent of dreams. 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.320 Are you sure? I would say ten to twelve percent 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.879 of my dreams come true. It's happening right now. You 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.440 dreamed of having a podcast with me one day check. 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:29.320 Should we talk about jen vu? Yes? Please? Jean vu 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.000 is the opposite of day. I know a lot of 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.399 people say day, but that's just kind of a funny 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:38.159 way to say. It is actually a real term. I 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.880 I passed over this part in the article. Fuck, I'm 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:42.879 not kidding. This is brand new to me. It was 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.199 not in the article. My friend, It's called supplemental research. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:49.320 You should try it sometimes. No, jan vu is is 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.040 a real thing. It means never seen and uh. It's 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:56.119 when a familiar situation is not recognized. It's like face blindness. 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:02.080 Not really, Okay, it was worth the shot, Chuck right. Actually, Like, 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.040 have you ever had the situation where you've said a 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.240 word like over and over in your head and then 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:10.000 the word starts to sound funny or that happens to 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.880 me when I see it spelled right exactly. That's John 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.439 avou And basically what's happening there is um. The word 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.399 is just existing in its form, so the function of 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.760 meaning is lost. So weird. You're not applying the function 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.760 of meaning. So you say, um, eggs benedict fifteen times 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:28.960 and by the end of it, or if you write 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.600 it out fifteen times, you're gonna be thinking eggs benedict? 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.960 What are eggs and benedict? And what is hollandaise sauce? 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.720 This this word looks so weird. That's one example of 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:43.720 John don't don't forget the Canadian bacon. Chuck, who can Yeah, 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.040 I don't know. Our Canadian friends, we love your bacon. 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.159 They just call it bacon up there. Well we call 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:52.240 it ham. That's true. So um, so wow, Chuck, you 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.159 just you dazzled me just now. Good. Yeah, I'd like 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.959 to do that. Yeah from time to time. Well that's uh, 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.840 that's sto, I guess for now, until you know, somebody 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.439 finally cements down exactly what's going on. And again, I 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.840 think the Wonder Machine is going to be the the 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.320 utility that does it for us. Je vu all over again, 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:13.800 as uh Yogi Barrow went said, great man, Um and Chuck, 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.440 I think it's time to say hey to the people 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:22.320 at audible. Audible dot com are one of our beloved sponsors. 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:24.680 Even better than that, let's tell everybody that the people 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.119 at Audible are trying to say hey, it's all of 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:31.400 our listeners. If they go right now, UM to audible 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.920 podcast dot com slash stuff and sign up, they'll get 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.359 one free download. And this is actually kind of big. 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:42.320 They have fifty tho plus titles on the site. You 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.280 can get a book if you want. Yeah, you can 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.080 get stand up and actually, um, I was looking on 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.360 the site and they have a bunch of George Carlin 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:53.159 and specifically a Place for My Stuff are arguably his 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:57.760 greatest work ever. Um it's my personal favorite. Um. So yeah, 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:00.359 there's all sorts of it's not just audiobooks, yeah Carlin. 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.200 And speaking of which, this is an audiobook either and 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:05.960 I'm surprised you didn't pick this one. It's your your plug. 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.240 But maybe the Gonzo Tapes the Life and Work of 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.680 Dr Hunter S. Thompson. These were just recently released and 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.280 these are just it's a long series, I believe that's 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:18.040 an abridge version on audible dot com about but you 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:23.640 get about six hours worth of famous author extraordinary Hunter 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:27.280 S Thompson uh speaking into a tape recorder. Over the 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:29.560 years he did this and they've gathered all these tapes 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.240 and it's really really awesome. I have found my one 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.160 free download. So what I will be doing is going 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:44.400 to audible podcast dot com slash stuff in signing up. So, Chuck, 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.760 I know you love plugging the blog. You want to 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.159 you want to take the opportunity. Sure, I would like 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.760 to direct everyone to our new blog, which is a 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:58.399 Internet term for blogged, and Josh and I write on 0:20:58.480 --> 0:20:59.879 this sing a couple of times a day and we 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.960 talk about cool stuff. And basically the idea here was 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.359 to get the stuff you should Know Nation involved with 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:08.280 each other and leading comments and talking to each other 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.440 and reading about cool stuff that they should know, uh, 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.480 instead of just listening to us say it. And also, 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:16.640 don't forget to join these stuff you should Know Nation. 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.199 We are actually buying a plot of land right um. 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:24.320 We'll be sending details out via our blog ironically enough, 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:26.399 and you can access it through the homepage on how 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.240 stuff works dot com. Oh yeah, and it's called stuff 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.480 you should know. Yeah, yeah, appropriately enough and you can 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.359 see lovely photo of Josh who looks cute as a 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:38.800 dang button and chunking his black cap. That's right, so 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.399 looking good. It's good stuff. So now, yeah, there's a 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:49.320 blog plug. Let's do listener man, right, you ready for this? Josh? 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.399 I was born ready, Chuck. I have a couple of 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:56.959 stuff we should know, which our new nicer name for corrections. Um, 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.680 christ I thought it was stuff we should have known. Sure, 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:04.240 it sounds good. Christine Lee of Toronto, Ontario. And as 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:05.840 a quick side note, I can't remember his name, but 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:07.919 we had a Canadian friend right in and say it 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:11.160 really bugs when we say like Montreal, Canada. He said 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:14.959 they'd be like saying Atlanta, United States. So we need 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:19.080 to start saying the prob So Christine Lee is of 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.639 Korean descent, and she said in the Friday thirteenth podcast, 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:27.280 we talked about unlucky numbers in China and Japan and 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:29.800 again and can people die a fright? We talked about 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:32.680 the same thing and it's actually true in Korea as well, 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:36.920 and she feels like Koreans are often slighted uh to 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:40.840 their Chinese and Japanese friends, so we need to start 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:45.680 looking into other Asian countries. Basically, yes, apparently four is 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:47.879