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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Colin Coward Podcast. Our NFL Draft review
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Speaker 2: we do we do this every year. Obviously, we go
Speaker 2: through the first round picks and let's not waste any time.
Speaker 2: Let's get past cam Ward at number one. That was
Speaker 2: an easy one, the most interesting one, and boy, my
Speaker 2: phone blew up. Cleveland got a haul. I think, way
Speaker 2: too much for a non quarterback. So Cleveland gets three
Speaker 2: of the top thirty six picks. Now if you add
Speaker 2: all the picks they got in from the Jags next year,
Speaker 2: they're just doing that to get a quarterback next year.
Speaker 2: So next year, of the top thirty six picks, Cleveland
Speaker 2: has three of them. They got a haul, and then
Speaker 2: they go down to number five and you know, getting
Speaker 2: a starting defensive tackle. I'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 2: But the GM for the Jags, who I was told
Speaker 2: actually worked from home in Saint Louis a lot, even
Speaker 2: when he was a Rams employee as a young kid.
Speaker 2: So this is the adult table being a GM. I
Speaker 2: don't like the swing. Travis Hunter is a great player,
Speaker 2: but unless he's a pro bowler on both sides of
Speaker 2: the ball, it feels like way too much to give up.
Speaker 2: And I think Cleveland was clearly doing it to get
Speaker 2: Amo for next year's quarterback draft.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's the easiest trade that
Speaker 3: Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski will ever make. They might
Speaker 3: have just got contract extensions from HASLM sitting behind him
Speaker 3: in the draft room. I'm with you, how can you
Speaker 3: make this trade, Colin when you don't know your team,
Speaker 3: you know, part of anyone, whether you're taking over a
Speaker 3: football team, taking over business. You got to let it
Speaker 3: settle and see what you have. Well, there's obviously no way.
Speaker 3: They haven't even been on the field in shorts and
Speaker 3: T shirts. They don't know if their quarterbacks any good.
Speaker 3: They don't know how talented their unit is. I get
Speaker 3: the ownership there, as you know, flush with money and
Speaker 3: aggressive than everything, but I think being this aggressive for
Speaker 3: Liam Cohen and Gladstone, the young thirty four year old GM,
Speaker 3: when they have never worked with the players on their team.
Speaker 3: It's one thing if you had been around for a
Speaker 3: couple of years and you have a pretty good feel
Speaker 3: like we're a player or two away. Let's swing for
Speaker 3: the fences. That's insane, Colin, to throw away your next
Speaker 3: year's first round pick. And I get it. He was.
Speaker 3: He had a front row seat there for Les and
Speaker 3: Shawn trading all those first round picks over the years,
Speaker 3: they were typically a player or two away, right though,
Speaker 3: with the Rams, So I thought it was for a
Speaker 3: non quarterback. I mean, we've seen some off the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers made one for Trey Lance. I think it's
Speaker 3: one of the craziest draft day trades I can remember
Speaker 3: for a non quarterback.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the last time I got
Speaker 2: three texts from NFL employees and all went mistake by
Speaker 2: the Jacks, like all landed on the same spot. And
Speaker 2: this is a very young GM. And again, Travis Hunter
Speaker 2: is is going to be a really sensational talent, there's
Speaker 2: no question. But there's also going to be some growing
Speaker 2: pains on the fact that he's not going to be
Speaker 2: in meetings for one side of the ball on a
Speaker 2: regular basis. So and I mean, listen, this really isn't
Speaker 2: as much about the Jags as it is Cleveland. They're
Speaker 2: trying to get out from this tonnage of Deshaun Watson's contract,
Speaker 2: and the way to do it is get a star quarterback.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how the Broncos got out from the
Speaker 2: tonnage of Russell Wilson. They got Bo Nicks, who will
Speaker 2: be free for four years. So yeah, I didn't like
Speaker 2: it at all. I just think, you know, we could
Speaker 2: always take shots at Cleveland. But I've always been a
Speaker 2: Stefanski fan, and I have people that really like Andrew Berry.
Speaker 2: I think this is a really easy deal to make.
Speaker 2: And then, by the way, you slide down to five. Now,
Speaker 2: a lot of people think Mason Graham is more in
Speaker 2: the eight to twelve range as a draft pick because
Speaker 2: it's ceilings low, and I think in most years that
Speaker 2: would be fair. One of the people that loved what
Speaker 2: Cleveland did didn't love Mason Graham as a number five pick.
Speaker 2: He said he's closer to ten than he is to five.
Speaker 2: But again, he's gonna start, you know, in that division.
Speaker 2: It's a northern division, it's a rugged division. Did you
Speaker 2: like what Cleveland did at five with Graham after making
Speaker 2: a pretty shrewd move to get all those picks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, the note that I wrote down, I
Speaker 3: mean Travis Hunter for Cleveland doesn't do that much, right.
Speaker 3: I mean there are several players away in their quarterback
Speaker 3: situation's disaster. When you think Mason Graham and you watch
Speaker 3: the way Michigan's played the last couple of years, obviously
Speaker 3: in that area, too ideal for the AFC North like that,
Speaker 3: that'd be my thing, Like that guy is just made
Speaker 3: do play in cold weather against Pittsburgh, against Baltimore. Yeah,
Speaker 3: teams that want to play physical, slow down the game.
Speaker 3: So I listen, this is draft. I mean McMillan went eight,
Speaker 3: Kelvin Banks went nine. I mean this wasn't exactly Tony Boselli,
Speaker 3: you know, and Miles Garrett coming off the board here
Speaker 3: right in this reign. So I have no problem with
Speaker 3: going Mason Graham to me where they could have taken
Speaker 3: me and you colin the moment they made that trade,
Speaker 3: Cleveland won the draft. Yeah, they get next year's to me,
Speaker 3: the likelihood of Jacksonville first time head coach, young coaching staff,
Speaker 3: I mean they could easily be a five to six
Speaker 3: win team. We do not know if their quarterback is
Speaker 3: good and he has struggled to stay healthy. And I
Speaker 3: get Liam Cohen had a big year with Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 3: but Baker he did resurrect. Baker Mayfield was good the
Speaker 3: previous year too. That's how Dave Canalis got a job.
Speaker 3: So it's not like he just made Baker Mayfield. Baker
Speaker 3: Mayfield now two good years in a row. So I
Speaker 3: think that the Cleveland again could have taken anybody the
Speaker 3: moment they got the future one and the second, think
Speaker 3: how often we see good players get drafted in the thirties.
Speaker 3: Happens every year, regardless how good the draft is, because
Speaker 3: the same type player is there in the mid thirties.
Speaker 3: It can be impact starters that you get for like
Speaker 3: one point five million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what to your point is Cleveland gets
Speaker 2: Jacksonville's first round pick next year. What's crazy about that
Speaker 2: is that could be a top six pick easy. I mean,
Speaker 2: that is nuts.
Speaker 3: We've seen it happen a couple of years in a
Speaker 3: row where the Lions benefited. The one year when they
Speaker 3: had thet Stafford trade and the Rams had that awful
Speaker 3: year and McVeigh like thought about quitting football to go
Speaker 3: work at Amazon. They got a top what they got
Speaker 3: the six pick that they turned into Laporta and Gibbs.
Speaker 3: We saw it the year when Denver was awful and
Speaker 3: Seattle got a really high pick and took Witherspoon. We
Speaker 3: have seen these future ones on. It's usually a player
Speaker 3: trade Russell Wilson, Matt Stafford, whatever, but sometimes on a
Speaker 3: draft day trade. Remember Chicago traded from twenty to eleven,
Speaker 3: yes with the Giants, and then they were terrible the
Speaker 3: next year, and the Giants got multiple picks in the
Speaker 3: top ten. Now, you still got to make the right
Speaker 3: pick with that collection, but out of flexibility if you
Speaker 3: let's assume Cleveland isn't going to be that good, I mean,
Speaker 3: their quarterback, the euation disaster. If I tell you next
Speaker 3: year they have picked five and nine, yeah, you got
Speaker 3: a lot to work with.
Speaker 2: That's why they made the move. So. By the way,
Speaker 2: DraftKings all odds provided by DraftKings if we mentioned them
Speaker 2: during this hour podcast. DraftKings had Ashton genty plus six
Speaker 2: fifty to get drafted number six and plus four seventy
Speaker 2: five to get drafted by the Raiders. This was a
Speaker 2: real obvious one to me, and I had mentioned this
Speaker 2: multiple times. Geno Smith with a run game throwing on
Speaker 2: play action is actually a pretty good quarterback. He's very
Speaker 2: Sam Darnald. When he gave Sam a little protection and
Speaker 2: a run game, and he can throw when nobody's quite
Speaker 2: sure he's throwing. He's very effective. When you force Donald
Speaker 2: or Gino Smith to throw on third and eleven, or
Speaker 2: they have to throw it a beat fast, that's when
Speaker 2: you get the mistakes. I thought Genty, and I also
Speaker 2: wonder this if you look at Pete Carroll's he's old school, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Marshawn Lynch, Reggie Bush, Lendale White, his great teams have
Speaker 2: had stars in the backfield, which sets the table for
Speaker 2: his offense. Pete hates mistakes by quarterbacks, and Gino doesn't
Speaker 2: make a ton when he's throwing on play action. So
Speaker 2: I think Genty, I love that pick for the Raiders.
Speaker 3: I have been probably one of the counterculture movements here
Speaker 3: with dis astmon Genty, like hype, I mean, people have
Speaker 3: been comparing to Barry Sanders or you know, La Damian Tomlinson.
Speaker 3: I think any time that you compare a player to
Speaker 3: the greatest of all time, it's like when you're comparing
Speaker 3: cam Ward to Patrick Malmes, we gotta tell you to
Speaker 3: pump the brakes. Yeah, but you know, listen Kenneth Walker
Speaker 3: who was picked later when he was healthy for Seattle
Speaker 3: with Charbonnade. Their run game was good, like you said,
Speaker 3: Gino was really really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My issue here is, like I have experience in the
Speaker 3: Mountain West. I know the difference in the competition relative
Speaker 3: to the Big Ten and obviously the SEC. It is dramatic.
Speaker 3: Now in an individual, like in a vacuum, he has
Speaker 3: a special talent, and he had the opportunity to surely
Speaker 3: go to Texas or Ohio State. He turned down money,
Speaker 3: so it wasn't like people didn't want him. But like
Speaker 3: playing against Washington State, New Mexico, Fresno State, and San
Speaker 3: Diego State is gonna be a little different animal than
Speaker 3: the Chargers, Denver and Kansas City, which you could argue
Speaker 3: is the best defensive division in the sport. We know
Speaker 3: Mentor and how good the charges are, so it's just
Speaker 3: gonna be difficult for him. We saw this year. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't the Raiders' offensive line's okay, but it's gonna
Speaker 3: be tough. I just I get it. I honestly thought
Speaker 3: they would go with a lineman there, especially a defensive lineman.
Speaker 3: You know, remember Pete Carroll over the years has now
Speaker 3: it hasn't always worked out. Bruce Irvin, I thought he
Speaker 3: would be aggressive there, but you know that they swung
Speaker 3: for the fences. It gives them some star power that
Speaker 3: there's no disputing. It makes them more interesting to watch
Speaker 3: because they they were an unwatchable product the last couple
Speaker 3: of years. So Austin MTP Carrold Gino Smith, I'll pay attention.
Speaker 3: I still, I mean, I'm not picking them to win
Speaker 3: that many games based on what we what we have
Speaker 3: on the roster right now.
Speaker 2: So the Jets go armand Membu offensive tackle from Missouri who's,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of a physical freak. A lot of
Speaker 2: people thought he was the best offensive lineman. Listen. I
Speaker 2: thought the Jets would go for a tight end. They
Speaker 2: just have had no production in that area. But it
Speaker 2: should be noted it's a good tight end draft and
Speaker 2: a good running back draft, so they can get that later.
Speaker 2: There's a story that Brees Hall is not happy, he's
Speaker 2: not content. He's on his you know, social media, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of doing some of those subtle shots. Or he
Speaker 2: may be on his way out. I think they're very
Speaker 2: much in their division weapon light. But I never really
Speaker 2: have a problem. I've been on this John for a
Speaker 2: long time. I think offensive lines are under discussed. Of
Speaker 2: the top eight last year, seven teams went to the playoffs,
Speaker 2: and so I don't really have a problem with this.
Speaker 2: You can get tight ends and running backs in this draft.
Speaker 2: I totally I the Jets went and got their left
Speaker 2: tackle last year at Penn State. This is probably their
Speaker 2: right tackle. I don't have a problem with teams going
Speaker 2: on line.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this pick. I mean I think when
Speaker 3: you look at their GM, he comes from Denver. Well,
Speaker 3: how did Sean Payton turn the thing around? They invested
Speaker 3: in the line. They already had a left tackle. They
Speaker 3: signed McGlinchey, which we can argue was an overpay, but
Speaker 3: immediately gives him a starter right tackle. They sign a
Speaker 3: guard from Baltimore, and all of a sudden they had
Speaker 3: a legitimate offensive line. And who do they play? They
Speaker 3: played the Chargers. Well what they had Slater Boom, you
Speaker 3: draft alt last year, they draft the Penn State left tackle.
Speaker 3: He'll be their left tackle. Now you get the right tackle.
Speaker 3: That's how you build a foundation. All I've seen is
Speaker 3: these gms over the press conferences leading into the draft,
Speaker 3: talk about the importance the Eagles set the tone, the
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, the line of scrimmage, and then sometimes
Speaker 3: the draft comes, it's like, uh, let's take Loveland, let's
Speaker 3: take Tyler. It's easy to do, and I understand it.
Speaker 3: I don't even blame them for doing it. Sometimes, especially
Speaker 3: the owner, it's much easier to sell guys scoring touchdowns
Speaker 3: than it is someone that just gets no stats. But
Speaker 3: last time I checked, no one ever complains when your
Speaker 3: tackles are good. You know, in football, especially listen justin fields.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's gonna work out, but you
Speaker 3: start to get like you already got Sauce Garter, you
Speaker 3: got Garrett Wilson. You probably sign those guys a long
Speaker 3: term contracts. You get a couple of good offensive linemen,
Speaker 3: you already have some defensive linemen. You do have a
Speaker 3: lot of pieces on this roster, a little like the
Speaker 3: Bears a couple of years ago. Just go maybe just
Speaker 3: find your quarterback at Caleb Williams. Obviously they're not gonna
Speaker 3: get Akab Williams, but you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: somehow you're in position. If you get a solid player
Speaker 3: at that position, all of a sudden, you got a
Speaker 3: good team.
Speaker 2: Carolina takes team ac Teed McMillan wide receiver who turned
Speaker 2: off some people during the process. He is known as
Speaker 2: a glider. I know Seattle also liked him. Seattle's not
Speaker 2: drafting here early. Seatt liked him. John Snyder, he's a
Speaker 2: lot of people think he has to be on the inside.
Speaker 2: The slot will be used primarily. He struggles to sometimes
Speaker 2: get off the line. He's been encouraged to change stylistically
Speaker 2: some of the things he does. Maybe he'll get better.
Speaker 2: He's young. I think he's got to be a little
Speaker 2: bit more coachable. I think this. I think this draft
Speaker 2: pick was honestly because they went and got a tackle
Speaker 2: recently in a draft I think last year, and then
Speaker 2: they go get an offensive tackle if I recall. I
Speaker 2: may be wrong on that, but I think two.
Speaker 3: Years ago they got the guy from North Carolina State.
Speaker 2: That's right. I think this is about Bryce Young. I
Speaker 2: think that they just want weapons. That's what it feels
Speaker 2: like to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think their coach, who came from Tampa Bay,
Speaker 3: Mike Evans, similar measurements. Tall didn't run that fast. I
Speaker 3: think is the last guy to not run a sub
Speaker 3: four or five and get drafted, you know, in the
Speaker 3: top ten. So you kind of use that as the blueprint. Listen,
Speaker 3: there are a lot of question marks on this individual's
Speaker 3: I would say he's one of the more polarizing guys
Speaker 3: discussed to be in the top twenty. My issue from
Speaker 3: a football standpoint, not even counting some of the videos
Speaker 3: that came out. Does he love football? Does he like
Speaker 3: volleyball more? Historically guys that make great contested catches in
Speaker 3: college that doesn't always translate to the NFL. It's about
Speaker 3: getting open, Like can you just consistently get open? If
Speaker 3: you need me to scheme you open, like, that's the knock.
Speaker 3: It's why Loveland went ahead of Warren. Yes, you know Warren,
Speaker 3: you had to kind of scheme open. Now, he had
Speaker 3: great ball skills and he's huge. Lovelan's like a Kelsey type, right,
Speaker 3: He's a great route runner, he's quick, So to me, McMillan,
Speaker 3: they drafted Lagette last year, another big guy from South Carolina,
Speaker 3: so you got some big weapons. I do think Bryce
Speaker 3: gave them a lot of hope down the stretch, But
Speaker 3: I think this was a pretty risky pick, which in
Speaker 3: a draft that's most people don't view as great. I
Speaker 3: understand taking some risk. So one of the love of
Speaker 3: football thing, Colin. You saw Jay Glady tweet that that's
Speaker 3: a serious thing, and the more and more moneies that's around,
Speaker 3: people get scared off with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that he was without question. I asked every
Speaker 2: person I knew in the NFL about him. Totally split.
Speaker 2: But you know, Jedfish was his coach, and I I
Speaker 2: think Jedfish at times was loved his talent. But I
Speaker 2: think Jedfish, you know, who has a lot of NFL
Speaker 2: experience and college. You know, Jet's one of those college
Speaker 2: guys who's coached in the NFL with Belichick and Pete Carroll.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes Arizona was a bit frustrated. Not that
Speaker 2: he's not coachable, I just I kind of feel like
Speaker 2: with him, there's a sort of passive sort of you know,
Speaker 2: you saw the Booker get drafted by the Cowboys, and
Speaker 2: that guy might as well be doing somersaults coming down
Speaker 2: the hallway. And if you're a Cowboy fan, you're watching
Speaker 2: Tyler Booker and you're like, damn straight, that guy loves football.
Speaker 2: And he's totally jacked up. Te Max sometimes is a
Speaker 2: little cool for people, and I think that's a turnoff. Now,
Speaker 2: the Saints at nine took Calvin Banks atrocious on line.
Speaker 2: Totally get it. By the way, Colston Lovelin was plus
Speaker 2: six fifty to be the number ten pick. He's a
Speaker 2: very unique player, so I know three t I mean
Speaker 2: the Rams and Chargers both liked him. The Bears obviously
Speaker 2: liked him, and even with cole Comet, they now have
Speaker 2: DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, cole Comet, Colston Loveland. They went
Speaker 2: and got Dolman, the center from Atlanta, Joe Tooney. They
Speaker 2: liked their right tackle. I was texting somebody in the
Speaker 2: league about this and one of the things we both
Speaker 2: landed at was the future of this franchise. They've never
Speaker 2: had a great quarterback is Caleb Williams. You have to
Speaker 2: make it work. You know the talents there and this
Speaker 2: is like this is like weapons plus plus plus plus plus.
Speaker 2: You have to make this work.
Speaker 3: I don't remember a young quarterback on a second year
Speaker 3: of a rookie deal getting more help. They go outside
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, Who's I would say one of the more
Speaker 3: hype do ce's of the last decade. Yeah, you mentioned
Speaker 3: you forgot the Rams offensive lineman that they also traded
Speaker 3: for that Ben Johnson had coached in Detroit. So they
Speaker 3: get a new center, two new guards they already hadn't
Speaker 3: invested in tackles. DJ Moore is one of the more
Speaker 3: virstable players in the league. They invested the ninth pick
Speaker 3: last year into Roma.
Speaker 2: Dude esay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like, if you're a Chicago their defensive
Speaker 3: personnel is already good and they have an established defensive
Speaker 3: coordinator in Dennis Allen coming. You know, the hype that
Speaker 3: was behind the Bears last year I thought was crazy.
Speaker 3: I do think there's some substance now behind this. Now
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's gonna work. I gotta let
Speaker 3: it breathe here for a month or two. But there is,
Speaker 3: you know, legitimate pieces on the offensive, a defensive line,
Speaker 3: a play caller that knows what he's doing, a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: You know, ebra Flus had to be the defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: and the head coach. He was completely over his head
Speaker 3: as a head coach. Good defensive coordinator. Now Dennis Allen
Speaker 3: can just focus on the defense. Ben can just be
Speaker 3: the head coach, slash the offensive coordinator, and really just
Speaker 3: focus on Caleb. To me, the question is going to
Speaker 3: be and I think this is the working thing. With
Speaker 3: all these young quarterbacks moving into the league. Can they
Speaker 3: teach them to get rid of the ball quicker and
Speaker 3: play in a more rhythm timing offense, run the ball
Speaker 3: more like they did in Detroit because and the one
Speaker 3: thing they got going against them is the division's really
Speaker 3: really good. So it's not like it's hard to win
Speaker 3: ten games, especially a franchise that has not been winning.
Speaker 3: But I would feel much. I know the hype was
Speaker 3: so crazy last year behind the Bears. If I was
Speaker 3: a Bears fan right now, I would just feel like
Speaker 3: we have a real identity and team right now.
Speaker 2: Well, and I also think if you go look at
Speaker 2: what happens at the end of the year, it is
Speaker 2: really hard even if you have a great defensive team. Remember, statistically,
Speaker 2: defensive players get hurt more than offensive players. It's a
Speaker 2: more reckless side of the ball. And so what if
Speaker 2: you start looking at the end of years. Great Niner
Speaker 2: defenses two three years ago can get carved up. Good
Speaker 2: Philadelphia defenses can get carved up. And my takeaway is,
Speaker 2: if you're like Pittsburgh's got all sorts of defensive talent,
Speaker 2: the Bears are like listen, historically they would go over
Speaker 2: the last fifteen years, they've had very good defensive players.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna be if you're gonna be heavy on
Speaker 2: one side of the ball, if you're gonna make mistakes,
Speaker 2: If Roman Dunzay's a mistake, it's the right side of
Speaker 2: the ball to make a mistake, not a safety or
Speaker 2: an off ball linebacker. Like I look at it and
Speaker 2: I think to myself, there are not a lot of
Speaker 2: teams in this league, John that have Cole Comb at
Speaker 2: Colston Loveland at tight end. And by the way, for
Speaker 2: a young quarterback, tight ends are a great ally.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Two things. You know we talk so much the
Speaker 3: hype on Tyler Warren, I mean his team because Michigan
Speaker 3: was bad this year and Loveland had gotten injured, he
Speaker 3: became kind of the apple of everyone's eye. He's massive. Well,
Speaker 3: it's not like Loveland's small. He's basically six six, two fifty.
Speaker 3: He's huge. How about Harball as a talent evaluator, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think they sent a record last year for guys
Speaker 3: getting drafted in a class. They just they had an
Speaker 3: awful team. This year they had three guys get drafted
Speaker 3: in the top thirteen picks. The two of them were
Speaker 3: defensive tackles. I mean, I mean the Harpbaugh say what
Speaker 3: you want. That guy can evaluate young men to play football.
Speaker 2: Holy Molly well. And by the way, that's why when
Speaker 2: the Charger I remember talking to Dean Spanish about this,
Speaker 2: I said, you're going to get the next two years,
Speaker 2: you guys will draft as well as anybody. Because Jim
Speaker 2: recruited all these players. It was about the thirdeth first
Speaker 2: two years for Pete Carolyn Seattle, probably the first two
Speaker 2: to three years Pete crushed the draft and then by
Speaker 2: year four, five, and six, you just lose a connectivity
Speaker 2: to college football. But Harball last year, great draft. This
Speaker 2: year will be a stupendous draft, and he's probably got
Speaker 2: them one more year where you recruited guys and saw
Speaker 2: him on tape so or had him on your team. Okay,
Speaker 2: So San Francisco gets Michel Williams, the edge feels like
Speaker 2: a now. Reportedly, Jordan Schultz said the Niners did look
Speaker 2: to move up, so there was somebody they were looking at.
Speaker 2: Williams to me, feels like best player available, best player
Speaker 2: on their board. Because before this draft a lot of
Speaker 2: people I talked to a couple of gms about this,
Speaker 2: there was about usually there sixteen to eighteen what you
Speaker 2: consider can't miss guys or really first round talent. This
Speaker 2: shire is about twelve to thirteen. So my take is,
Speaker 2: Michel Williams, it's just the best player on the board
Speaker 2: in their department or personnel department.
Speaker 3: Yeah. To me, Jalen Walker, the other pass rusher who
Speaker 3: I think went to Atlanta at fifteen, was the better
Speaker 3: football player. This guy, though, is twenty years old. He
Speaker 3: started on their team that won the national championship two
Speaker 3: years ago that had basically every player on the team
Speaker 3: was a first or second round pick. Yeah, he's a freak.
Speaker 3: I mean sixty five two hundred and seventy pounds like
Speaker 3: Kirby now is what Saban was a decade ago, you know,
Speaker 3: recruiting the best of the best, especially up for So
Speaker 3: this is a from I texted around to a couple
Speaker 3: buddies in draft rooms. Uh, they said it's a little
Speaker 3: boom or bust that there's no disputing his physical attributes.
Speaker 3: I think he got banged up Week one, but his
Speaker 3: highlight plays over the courses of his career for Georgia
Speaker 3: and maybe for San Francisco. You just look what Howie
Speaker 3: Roseman's on the last couple of years. When all else fails,
Speaker 3: just pick a player from Georgia, especially on the defensive line,
Speaker 3: you're gonna be okay. So I like Jalen Walker a lot,
Speaker 3: but the knock on him is he was only six
Speaker 3: foot one. This guy six five two seventy and I
Speaker 3: think they think he can get a little bit bigger,
Speaker 3: so you can kind of move him around the defensive
Speaker 3: line to go with Bosa. I mean, listen, bottom line, Colin,
Speaker 3: you're about to pay the quarterback one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy five million dollars guaranteed. This guy's
Speaker 3: gotta be good. And it's not like in three years
Speaker 3: they're gonna need him to have an impact this year. Yes,
Speaker 3: how the Rams all of a sudden get good last year.
Speaker 2: Jared Like.
Speaker 3: And fisk Like, the two guys they drafted high, were
Speaker 3: just impact guys as the season went. So the pressure
Speaker 3: on this guy. Here's what I do like though, and
Speaker 3: this is the Howie Roseman thing. Imagine the pressure you
Speaker 3: have as a starter for Georgia. It's like when you
Speaker 3: played for Alabama. It's an int it's basically an NFL program.
Speaker 3: So these guys are used to the lights being bright
Speaker 3: and the expectation is to win every game. So I
Speaker 3: got no issue with it. He's not fourteen career sacks.
Speaker 3: But that's this draft. I mean, there's not JJ Watts
Speaker 3: not going pick eleven or Micah Parsons in this draft.
Speaker 3: That's right, So you just swing for the fences. I
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Speaker 2: Dallas at twelve takes Tyler Booker, Zach Martin retired, get
Speaker 2: it the kid they drafted out of Oklahoma. The left
Speaker 2: tackle looks very sketchy to this point. Listen again, if
Speaker 2: it wasn't a great tight end draft, and every draft
Speaker 2: is a deep wide receiver draft, I mean, Iowa State's
Speaker 2: got two guys I like it receiver. So my takeaway is, again,
Speaker 2: this is a need with a left tackle that's struggling.
Speaker 2: Zach Martin retires, I think Dallas had to go here.
Speaker 2: By the way, if Philadelphia is in your division, you're
Speaker 2: going zero to two if you can't block them. Like
Speaker 2: to me, this is a Philadelphia sort of kind of
Speaker 2: forces your hand on this. You have to be able
Speaker 2: to protect Dak because he's already had two injuries.
Speaker 3: Especially when they're best players a defensive tackle. Right. So
Speaker 3: you know, I'll say this about the Cowboys, Jerry takes
Speaker 3: a lot of shit for a lot of different reasons.
Speaker 3: They have drafted pretty darn well over the last decade
Speaker 3: plus and they've I did three straight first round picks
Speaker 3: on the offensive line right a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: Tyler Smith, when Tyrone Smith was kind of at the
Speaker 3: end of his road and was leaving. Last year, Guiden,
Speaker 3: they were drafting you know, later in the in the
Speaker 3: round because they had been a twelve win team, and
Speaker 3: then this year drafting a little bit higher. Some people
Speaker 3: think this is he's a guard, so he's never going
Speaker 3: to be considered like the best player in the draft,
Speaker 3: but like one of the best peer players in the draft. Like,
Speaker 3: this guy's good. So if they can get Geiton, who
Speaker 3: was a little bit of a project, yeah, coached up
Speaker 3: with Tyler Smith and this guy that they have put
Speaker 3: a lot of first round resources into the front to
Speaker 3: protect Dak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll go back to it. Philadelphia is going
Speaker 2: to force your hand. I mean, don't be surprised if
Speaker 2: Washington doesn't load up on O and D line. Now
Speaker 2: that they have Deebo and Terry McLaurin. You've got to
Speaker 2: block Philadelphia and go ask Patrick Mahomes. It gets ugly
Speaker 2: fast with that team. And by the way, one of
Speaker 2: the reasons the Rams could hang with Philadelphia. They were
Speaker 2: good up front that you know, it wasn't until the
Speaker 2: end when Jalen Carter burst through. But if you can't
Speaker 2: hang with Philadelphia, can't block them, you're not going to
Speaker 2: compete with them.
Speaker 3: Well, plus Schottenheimer's you know, his star had dimmed so
Speaker 3: much from what ten twelve years ago. He made his
Speaker 3: hay as an offensive coordinator as a running game guy, right,
Speaker 3: he liked to run the ball. I actually think I
Speaker 3: would expect the Cowboys in the second or third round
Speaker 3: this draft's loaded a running back to take a running back,
Speaker 3: and I would expect them to kind of get back,
Speaker 3: you know, to their roots. You know, Schottenheimer coach for
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll and for Rex Ryan and was known as
Speaker 3: a run game and remember he gashed people with the Jets.
Speaker 3: They led the league in rushing back to back years.
Speaker 3: So I would expect, if not the second round pick,
Speaker 3: the third round pick, the Cowboys finally to take a
Speaker 3: running back in this draft. And obviously the emphasis is
Speaker 3: going to be coaching these young guys up on the
Speaker 3: offensive line because they've paid CD a bunch, they paid
Speaker 3: Dak a bunch. I mean, that's that's part of it.
Speaker 3: I mean, you got to. When you're paying three or
Speaker 3: four guys thirty forty million dollars a year, you better
Speaker 3: nail some of your draft picks.
Speaker 2: Okay, Miami, which does very few things. I like Kenneth
Speaker 2: Grant defensive tackle. Michigan can get really heavy, which always
Speaker 2: scares me. I watched fifteen Michigan games the last several years.
Speaker 2: He was hot and cold. I thought Mason Graham was
Speaker 2: a much more dependable player, much more consistent player. I
Speaker 2: thought Graham was great against the run. Kenneth Grant's probably
Speaker 2: going to be a better pass rusher. He's a massive
Speaker 2: human being. I don't love a lot of what Miami does.
Speaker 2: You know, it felt like the first pick in the
Speaker 2: draft tem Mac to Carolina and Kenneth Grant to Miami.
Speaker 2: I look at Carolina and Miami and I'm like, and
Speaker 2: I do love a lot what they do. What did
Speaker 2: you make of it?
Speaker 3: I think Miami's in major trouble, Colin. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think they are on early watch for. I don't know
Speaker 3: number one overall pick, but I think they're going to
Speaker 3: be pretty bad. I mean, won that division. You know,
Speaker 3: the Bills kick their ass the Jets should just be
Speaker 3: a little bit more buttoned up this year and just
Speaker 3: they just have much better players top to bottom. Now,
Speaker 3: you know two was a better quarterback than justin fields,
Speaker 3: but we know the Patriots are going to better. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think Miami has got a chance to compete for
Speaker 3: like a top five pick and keep an eye. You know,
Speaker 3: the McDaniel experiment feels like that's simmering out a little bit.
Speaker 3: And you know their owner always loves the big names.
Speaker 3: Remember he chased Harbaugh forever. I could see John Gruden's
Speaker 3: name getting thrown around. I think this thing is going
Speaker 3: to be a complete you know what show this year.
Speaker 3: I listen, they're already trying to They couldn't give Jalen
Speaker 3: Ramsey away right now. He's making too much money and
Speaker 3: clearly he was one of the guys Mike McDaniel can't
Speaker 3: get people to show up to his meetings on time. Well,
Speaker 3: who's not going to show up to the meeting late?
Speaker 3: The guy's not making that much money. So you know
Speaker 3: it's not the majority of the team. Who makes the
Speaker 3: most money on the team Jalen Ramsey, Tyreek Hill. Well,
Speaker 3: why do they want to trade Jalen Ramsey. He clearly
Speaker 3: is not listening to anyone in that operation, and the
Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill situation feels like it's unraveling a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think Miami's got a lot of problems, weird organization,
Speaker 3: and that division feels just a little more stable now,
Speaker 3: definitely with very you know in town, and the Jets
Speaker 3: are just going to be a little less noisy than
Speaker 3: they've been the last couple of years. So I got
Speaker 3: Miami on watch to be awful this year.
Speaker 2: So once again Chris Ballard is patient. Tyler Warren, the
Speaker 2: tight end from Penn State who's wildly productive, plus one
Speaker 2: sixty five to go to the Colts. Again, all of
Speaker 2: our odds are provided by draft kings. You know, last
Speaker 2: year they got the edge rusher from UCLA, the first
Speaker 2: defensive player taken, arguably the best pass rusher in the draft.
Speaker 2: This is a great for them because many suspected, myself
Speaker 2: included Warren would go in the top twelve. So they're
Speaker 2: patient he falls to them. He's a Day one starter.
Speaker 2: I think this is one of the better picks in
Speaker 2: terms of value. There's an argument that Tyler Warren is
Speaker 2: one of those thirteen fourteen twelve players who is considered
Speaker 2: a first round pick. Every time I looked at people's
Speaker 2: evaluation of like clear first round players, Warren was somewhere
Speaker 2: late in that list. But on that list I like
Speaker 2: to pick by Andy, I really do well.
Speaker 3: If I have interat inaccurate quarterbacks, I'd like a six
Speaker 3: six sixty seven tight end for them to throw it to.
Speaker 3: So I think, listen, the main question for Indy has
Speaker 3: not been the talent on offense. I think, you know
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor, their offensive line's been good. Pittman's a solid player.
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren is just gonna be a pro for a
Speaker 3: long time. Their quarterback situation. Even Chris Ballard admitted the
Speaker 3: other day He's like, yeah, these two guys both are
Speaker 3: gonna help us. I mean, this is not college. Anytime
Speaker 3: you got to admit like we got a quarterback issue.
Speaker 3: I mean they admitted it when they gave Daniel Jones
Speaker 3: whatever fourteen to fifteen million dollars. So I'm pro. Tyler
Speaker 3: Warren probably a pretty easy pick. Listen. I like lat
Speaker 3: two a lot. Last year he did not have a
Speaker 3: great rookie year. He didn't and sometimes you know technician guys,
Speaker 3: that's right, He's got a bunch of moves where Jared
Speaker 3: versus like, I'm just gonna run through you, Like I
Speaker 3: got all these moves to me. Tyler Warren, he's a
Speaker 3: little more scheme dependent than levelin. But Penn State this
Speaker 3: year with that Kansas Associe schemed him up. Shane Stiken
Speaker 3: scheme guy, can scheme him over? Yes, makes sense.
Speaker 2: Great to me? Though?
Speaker 3: Can the can their quarterbacks play Callen Well? I mean,
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson, Would it be the most stunning thing in
Speaker 3: the world if he was traded the next couple of days.
Speaker 3: Probably not. I don't expect them to be. But like
Speaker 3: and Daniel Jones, like they got problems, they're.
Speaker 2: Collin I had somebody in the league in a personnel
Speaker 2: department tell me he could not remember a quarterback that
Speaker 2: was less accurate on stuff ten yards and under. He
Speaker 2: just he could not remember that. By the way, there's
Speaker 2: some really good picks, Okay, So I don't Atlanta, Arizona, Cincinnati, whatever,
Speaker 2: Seattle goes, Gray's able the guard North Kota State, which
Speaker 2: is a great which is a great football program. This
Speaker 2: is really interesting. Let's get to nineteen Tampa Bay. So
Speaker 2: you know, I love the general manager of the Tampa
Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers have I have I told you this before
Speaker 2: they went and drafted Imika Egbuka, the wide receiver at
Speaker 2: Ohio State. I I believe most general managers believe he
Speaker 2: is one of one, the best receiver or the only
Speaker 2: receiver to be a first round receiver. I think the
Speaker 2: Texas kid as a late first rounder. Everybody I talk
Speaker 2: to love him, and what's great is he can play sideline.
Speaker 2: But he didn't take that many snaps outside for Ohio
Speaker 2: State for obvious reasons. They're stacked at quarterback with Jeremiah
Speaker 2: Smith or at receiver. They're stacked. They don't need sideline receivers.
Speaker 2: He would be a sideline receiver or a slot receiver
Speaker 2: any other program in the country except like Ohio State
Speaker 2: and Alabama because they have so many great players, so
Speaker 2: he'll come in and immediately play for them. I think
Speaker 2: he is a prime example because he's not a burner John.
Speaker 2: He's a prime example of maturity, interviews, professionalism that could
Speaker 2: have moved him up ten to twelve spots. He was
Speaker 2: considered a second round talent the minute the season ended.
Speaker 2: His value beyond being excellent is he is considered a
Speaker 2: mature in a league where we're having wide receiver divas
Speaker 2: emerge like every weekend. I think his personality is a
Speaker 2: huge part of him going this high.
Speaker 3: Well, one thing, I remember the stat last year when
Speaker 3: the Week one is that Tampa had like forty three
Speaker 3: or forty four drafted players on their fifty three man roster.
Speaker 3: Jason Light has been, if not the best, a top
Speaker 3: two or three drafter over the last five or six years.
Speaker 3: And when you look in, you know the Baker that
Speaker 3: you originally started talking about back at Oklahoma is a
Speaker 3: completely different human being. Now Tampa's got a really high
Speaker 3: level team, you know, from Wharfs to Mike Evans to Vitaveya.
Speaker 3: I mean, their guys on their squad are just like Honestly,
Speaker 3: Jason Light comes from New England and I'm talking the
Speaker 3: Vrabel Bruskie New England days with Tom Brady. He's kind
Speaker 3: of built that version with Baker Mayfield as his quarterback.
Speaker 3: Super smart, super tough.
Speaker 2: Steve Kaime told me he thought Jason Light was one
Speaker 2: of the best scouts he'd ever followed Kime. Kime told
Speaker 2: me because I always told we. Kim got in and
Speaker 2: got into a discussion with me about two years ago,
Speaker 2: we're smoking cigars and I said, you ever noticed every
Speaker 2: Buccaneers team is stacked. They just couldn't get the quarterback
Speaker 2: right before Brady. But like, and he goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's Jason. He goes that he is. He is as
Speaker 2: good a scout as we've had in this league. He goes,
Speaker 2: he just didn't miss. He was so good. You know,
Speaker 2: that's and that's how you become a GM. You're a
Speaker 2: great scout.
Speaker 3: Initially, well, they built their offensive line from taking smaller
Speaker 3: school tackles and tournament at guards and centers, and you know,
Speaker 3: obviously they've had Mike Evans to kind of settle in
Speaker 3: Vidavea as like a stalwart players minus, you know, separate
Speaker 3: from Tom Brady. But yeah, I mean you tell me
Speaker 3: he could have drafted anybody'd be like, yeah, I like
Speaker 3: to pick now. Like you said, I mean, this guy,
Speaker 3: what didn't he set records at Ohio State for yards,
Speaker 3: catches games. I mean, he's a stud. The other thing
Speaker 3: is when you go to a team that has I
Speaker 3: mean they re signed God when they got him on
Speaker 3: a cheaper number because remember he shattered his ankle. Obviously
Speaker 3: they still have Evans. This guy the pressure on him
Speaker 3: to They're not gonna need him to catch seventy balls
Speaker 3: next year. Their running game last year with Bucky Irving,
Speaker 3: I mean, their team. Honestly, they in a weird way
Speaker 3: underachieved because they had so many injuries the second half
Speaker 3: of the season. On defense, they couldn't stop anybody. To me,
Speaker 3: if they are healthy, there's a pretty big gap in
Speaker 3: that division if they're healthy, like between them and the
Speaker 3: number two team. Like, the only reason it was close
Speaker 3: between them and Atlanta this year is because they had
Speaker 3: a million injuries on defense. But like they're a much
Speaker 3: better run organization. You know what Baker's turned into. They're like,
Speaker 3: there's notice Baker's really become the last two years a
Speaker 3: top ten quarterback. Yeah, and clearly just his maturation. Like
Speaker 3: a lot of us guys, you know, in the late twenties,
Speaker 3: it kicks in. He gets married, has a kid, and
Speaker 3: he's a different guy. And as a player, he plays
Speaker 3: much faster, had slimmed down. His arm's always been great.
Speaker 3: And now he's got three with Abuka, with Mike Evans
Speaker 3: and Godwin and running backs and a good offensive line.
Speaker 3: I mean that their offense should be really good.
Speaker 2: Colin the you know, you get to a part of
Speaker 2: a draft. Atlanta takes Jalen Walker at fifteen, Arizona Walter Nolan,
Speaker 2: Ole Miss at sixteen, Cincinnati Sherman Stewart the edge, and
Speaker 2: then Seattle Gray is Abel into Tampa taking Amiica Igbuca.
Speaker 2: This draft was considered about a thirteen player first round draft.
Speaker 2: We have first round town, so all of these other
Speaker 2: guys are you know, they're considered guys that aren't significantly
Speaker 2: better than the thirty six pick. But I will say
Speaker 2: because of the position Amika could plays, because of the
Speaker 2: quarterback he plays with, that he will be a He
Speaker 2: may be the most highly productive player taken out of
Speaker 2: that top thirteen picks. I would be surprised. I mean,
Speaker 2: I was talking to a former Raider GM tom Toe
Speaker 2: LESCo about him recently and he just just said, you
Speaker 2: can't not like him. If you watch him on film,
Speaker 2: you can't not like him. There's nothing at the routes.
Speaker 2: He's just there's everything about him, and you watch him
Speaker 2: on tape you're like, oh, that's a slot starter in
Speaker 2: the NFL, who, by the way, can play on the perimeter.
Speaker 2: It's just Ohio State, So damn stacked he's not going
Speaker 2: to do that for them.
Speaker 3: Well, think about this, at pick nineteen and pick eight,
Speaker 3: two wide receivers were drafted. Right, if you had to
Speaker 3: invest or bet on one guy, there's no question the
Speaker 3: safer pick is. You know, Abuka at Tampa Bay, I
Speaker 3: mean at a McMillan. Yeah, he could be good, but
Speaker 3: would a shock you at all. We've seen a lot
Speaker 3: of those type players underachieve, So I wouldn't be stunned
Speaker 3: if you told me that Tampa, if they had the
Speaker 3: choice between those two receivers, they might have just gone
Speaker 3: with Abuka.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I bet there were a lot of teams in the
Speaker 3: top twenty that weren't necessarily going to take a wide receiver,
Speaker 3: but felt much more comfortable with the player. And listen,
Speaker 3: these gms now, I think have really talked about it
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. Most of these guys don't
Speaker 3: fail because you know they can't catch or they can't
Speaker 3: do something. It's because of the human being, the work ethic.
Speaker 3: They start getting they don't work as hard, they start
Speaker 3: getting lapped by other guys that want it more. There's
Speaker 3: intangible stuff that you can't really. You can scout all
Speaker 3: you want, but you don't really know till you get
Speaker 3: the guy in their building. That's where Abuka, I know,
Speaker 3: Jalen Walker, the guy Atlanta got like their character was elite,
Speaker 3: like I mean special. So anytime you get those type
Speaker 3: players with the talent, they usually at minimum become really
Speaker 3: really good players. And on the flip side, you know,
Speaker 3: I get I'm pro Mike Vrabel and the Patriots and
Speaker 3: they were in a tough spot. But the Will Campbell
Speaker 3: pick reminds me a little bit when the forty nine
Speaker 3: ers took Solomon Thomas. You meet these guys and you're like,
Speaker 3: we just love this guy. We just love this guy.
Speaker 3: But when you draft a talent that's like, ah, we
Speaker 3: don't love him at four or three. We'd much rather
Speaker 3: get him at twelve. Sometimes that's where you get in problem.
Speaker 3: And Solomon Thomas gonna have a thirteen year NFL career,
Speaker 3: but he didn't get a second contract from the Niners.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing with Will Campbell, Like his character
Speaker 3: is just elite, but as a player, again, he's multiple
Speaker 3: year starter in the SEC. Sometimes you know, the character
Speaker 3: can sway a team instead of taking the more talent,
Speaker 3: Like I don't think anyone in the NFL would tell
Speaker 3: you that Membu possesses more physical gifts than Campbell, right,
Speaker 3: but that there aren't any questions with Campbell in terms
Speaker 3: of like he's a pro already like last week. So
Speaker 3: and that's the hard part about this the draft.
Speaker 2: So the Denver Broncos, many of us suspected they take
Speaker 2: offense for bow Nicks, they went and got across from
Speaker 2: Patrick Sartan. They went and got the Texas corner Johnny Barron,
Speaker 2: who many runs better. So, by the way, Will Johnson
Speaker 2: at Michigan now has not been drafted yet. The concern
Speaker 2: with him is he ran over a four to five.
Speaker 2: So Baron's an interesting corner because the kind of the
Speaker 2: belief is neither one of the top corners in this
Speaker 2: draft are burners. But Baron's the guy that does everything. Well,
Speaker 2: that's what I can't if you look at his draft
Speaker 2: preview that he again played against elite competition, played against
Speaker 2: great receivers, has gone against sec has gone against like,
Speaker 2: you know, like Ohio state level players. And Baron's just
Speaker 2: a guy that doesn't make a ton of mistakes. As
Speaker 2: a former NFL scout, does that translate? I mean, again,
Speaker 2: this is not a draft where you've got four, three,
Speaker 2: five corners. There's just it's Will Johnson and Baron are
Speaker 2: not considered burners.
Speaker 3: Yeah. To me, I think Will Johnson I thought coming
Speaker 3: into the year it was like a top ten pick,
Speaker 3: and then he got banged up. He's more of a
Speaker 3: zone corner. Yeah, I think he's good. Someone's gonna get
Speaker 3: him late. If he ends up to the Eagles at
Speaker 3: pick thirty two, I'm just gonna fall out of my chair.
Speaker 3: But I think the thing with Baron is like nickel
Speaker 3: corners or guys that can play inside are viewed much
Speaker 3: stronger now than they used to be because so many
Speaker 3: teams run three and four wide receiver sets. So anytime
Speaker 3: that I get a guy that can I can move
Speaker 3: inside and out and that will tackle. That's the other
Speaker 3: thing with Baron. He's like this versatile chess piece that
Speaker 3: will tackle. So if I'm gonna play inside, I need
Speaker 3: to be I'm taking a linebacker off the field. I
Speaker 3: need to be a run support player. Where I think
Speaker 3: Will Johnson he is just you know, an outside corner, right,
Speaker 3: and that's all he does is an outside corner. But
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, Colin, that guy I thought two years
Speaker 3: ago in the National championship team. He's like the best
Speaker 3: player on their team. Well, and this is where I
Speaker 3: think we gotta be careful about like over, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: rans a four or five to two, but if you
Speaker 3: run a zones like Fangio or what Robert Salid does,
Speaker 3: this guy will make plays all day long. So I
Speaker 3: think sometimes these teams they get that number, which I understand,
Speaker 3: but I think that sometimes it works out better. I mean,
Speaker 3: this guy's gonna end up on a playoff team, so
Speaker 3: it helped. So bearn Both these guys are okay.
Speaker 2: So the Pittsburgh Steelers obviously at twenty one er on
Speaker 2: the clock, and the many suspect they're gonna go get
Speaker 2: shaduor Sanders. You know, it's funny. One of the things
Speaker 2: about Shadeur Sanders that I hear and I just I
Speaker 2: don't understand it. It's as if people didn't watch him play.
Speaker 2: This idea that he is immobile. Well, I thought he
Speaker 2: was a more mobile quarterback than c J. Stroud, who
Speaker 2: is more than mobile enough. Now, I mean again, you'd
Speaker 2: like Jared Goff to be able to move better.
Speaker 3: C J.
Speaker 2: Stroud can move when you need him to move. We
Speaker 2: saw that when he was a buck eye against Georgia.
Speaker 2: We've seen it in the NFL. When he's flushed out
Speaker 2: of the pocket, he's fine and he's accurate when he
Speaker 2: moves this idea that Shdueur Sanders can't move. They had
Speaker 2: arguably as bad an offensive line as any of the
Speaker 2: top ten quarterbacks that will get drafted in this draft had.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you go look at Syracuse O line
Speaker 2: or Notre Dames O line for Riley Leonard or cam
Speaker 2: Ward's on line should or had easily the worst O
Speaker 2: line of all these players. Jalen Milrose O line was better,
Speaker 2: Jackson Darts O line was better. I think shud Or Stander.
Speaker 2: I just that criticism of him. You know, he's very stationary.
Speaker 2: It's like, then, why when I watch them play, he
Speaker 2: was almost always on the move.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think people probably aren't fairly comparing him to
Speaker 3: his dad. I mean, even they've all admitted he got
Speaker 3: the genes from his mom. I just look Pat Mahomes,
Speaker 3: who I think of the top guys, right, Josh Allen's faster, obviously,
Speaker 3: Lamar Herbert. You know, Joe Burrows not viewed much more
Speaker 3: like a pocket quarterback, but off the top three or
Speaker 3: four guys that are mobile. Pat Mahomes is viewed as
Speaker 3: the slowest. Yet when you watch him, he has such
Speaker 3: an instinctive mobility that he's a really good scrambler. He
Speaker 3: ran a four to eight to forty. Now no one
Speaker 3: runs the forty anymore for some reason. To me, Shador
Speaker 3: is running four seventy five four eight. Mahomes moved more
Speaker 3: than well enough. Right in the NFL, I put Shador
Speaker 3: that way, like you're not going to run zone read
Speaker 3: plays like you would for Jalen Hurts or Kyler Murray
Speaker 3: for him. But I'm with you, he's not. We're not
Speaker 3: talking Kirk Cousins here in the pocket. He's just not
Speaker 3: his father.
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Speaker 2: who was absolutely electric at Boise State. He led the
Speaker 2: FBS in both scrimmage and rushing yards on his way
Speaker 2: to scoring thirty total touchdowns, and he was the runner
Speaker 2: up for the Heisman. So in a draft class loaded
Speaker 2: with running back talent, Jenty clearly separated from the rest
Speaker 2: of the pack with sort of a tough, versatile running style,
Speaker 2: paired with his ability to hit home runs bounce off people.
Speaker 2: He's got all the traits of a superstar in the making.
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Speaker 2: so the Steelers, you know they love defense, Derek Harmon
Speaker 2: Oregon defensive tackle. They do not go for a quarterback.
Speaker 2: So I mean Pittsburgh corrects me up, So listen, I'll
Speaker 2: give them credit. They reached on Kenny Pickett. So I
Speaker 2: had a GM tell me a Super Bowl winning jam
Speaker 2: tell me they had Kenny Pickett as a high to
Speaker 2: mid third level quarterback. They saw him as a backup
Speaker 2: or as an occasional emergency starter. So Pittsburgh needs a
Speaker 2: quarterback and they're passing on Shudur Sanders. I got to
Speaker 2: believe Schador doesn't get drafted in the first round.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say it's very much in doubt as
Speaker 3: we sit here right now. I would say this though,
Speaker 3: you know, I would put mac Jones and can He
Speaker 3: Pickett in the same little group. Historically, those guys are
Speaker 3: third and fourth round picks that were drafted fifteenth and twentieth.
Speaker 3: I would say Shador Sanders is a better prospect than
Speaker 3: both guys. I do think though the NFL maybe it's
Speaker 3: just because of this draft. Obviously, last draft, so many
Speaker 3: teams acquired quarterbacks. We still have a lot of guys
Speaker 3: between what twenty six and early thirties in the prime
Speaker 3: of their career, so we actually have a lot of
Speaker 3: teams that don't necessarily need quarterbacks and have highly paid guys.
Speaker 3: I think Schador is a better prospect than some of
Speaker 3: these guys that have been drafted high in recent memory. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I do think these teams are getting away from
Speaker 3: like historically we could find starters in the second and
Speaker 3: third round. Let's get back to that. Let's just take
Speaker 3: this guy at pick forty five. And I also think
Speaker 3: getting picked at pick forty five is like you're some loser.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at the history of the league. I
Speaker 3: mean most of we know for a fact on a
Speaker 3: given year that typically it's like forty eight to fifty
Speaker 3: two percent guys in the first round will not have
Speaker 3: their fifth year option picked up. Right, this draft is
Speaker 3: not viewed as great. So if we just kind of
Speaker 3: skew it a little bit more, there's a chance that
Speaker 3: you know, four out of uh, you know, four out
Speaker 3: of ten guys in this draft class in the first
Speaker 3: round will have their fifth year option. So sixty percent
Speaker 3: of the guys wanted their fifth year option picked up.
Speaker 3: So a lot of starters in this draft are going
Speaker 3: to come the second, third, and fourth round. And also
Speaker 3: when you fall, sometimes that works out to your benefit.
Speaker 3: Like Cam Wore, interesting prospect going to a pretty terrible team,
Speaker 3: it's probably gonna be pretty tough. Right. We've seen Trevor
Speaker 3: Lawrence and Jacksonville. Now he might have been overrated or whatever,
Speaker 3: but his career has not gone well. And we see
Speaker 3: some of these guys that get drafted a little bit later,
Speaker 3: it's like, you get to go to a pretty good spot.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, unless you don't think the Rams
Speaker 3: are gonna take him, do you.
Speaker 2: I think the Rams would go with Jackson Dart over Sanders.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of teams have Jackson Dart over
Speaker 3: Shadoor Sanders.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I listen, the Chargers are now on the
Speaker 2: clock as we do this, as if you're listening to this,
Speaker 2: we started this about pick thirteen fourteen, because by the
Speaker 2: end of the first round, you know, we want to
Speaker 2: get this puppy out to you as fast as we can. Listen.
Speaker 2: I think one of the things about this draft that
Speaker 2: makes it particularly interesting. A it's a week draft, and
Speaker 2: b most, and this is always the case, the better
Speaker 2: teams are at the end of the first round, but
Speaker 2: the better coaches, the offensive guys. I mean, you start
Speaker 2: looking now, you've got Sean Payton. At twenty you've got
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh, Matt Lafleur, Kevin O'Connell's coming up. Here comes
Speaker 2: Sean McVeigh, John Harbaugh, Andy Reid, Nick Sirianni. This is
Speaker 2: the rare draft. John after about I mean, honestly after
Speaker 2: the like the Bears pick at number ten because I
Speaker 2: was really interested, partly because I'm moving there. But I
Speaker 2: think where the draft really starts getting interesting is kind
Speaker 2: of right right now at twenty two, because we know
Speaker 2: Harbaugh is going to draft much better than the average
Speaker 2: coach in this league and organization, and most of your
Speaker 2: really respected offensive coaches are not drafting at the top
Speaker 2: of this draft. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But and here's the other thing Colin think about last year,
Speaker 3: So a lot of these teams that are drafting here
Speaker 3: in the mid to late twenties played in the playoffs
Speaker 3: late in the playoffs won the Super Bowl. Obviously. The Chiefs,
Speaker 3: they drafted Xavier Worthy high. What did Xavier Worthy do
Speaker 3: down the stretch? Made a lot of place. The Eagles
Speaker 3: drafted Mitchell the corner from Toledo. What did he do?
Speaker 3: I don't know, just started all season long for them,
Speaker 3: and that was one of the better rookie corners. You know.
Speaker 3: The Bills drafted Keon Coleman. They're going to need a
Speaker 3: little bit more for him next year. The Lions drafted
Speaker 3: Arnold the corner from Alabama last year, starting corner for him.
Speaker 3: I mean, these are guys. These are twelve to fourteen
Speaker 3: to fifteen win teams that we're all watching Sunday night
Speaker 3: foot and then obviously in January, the guys they pick whoever,
Speaker 3: the Rams pick, whoever, the Chargers pick, whoever the Ravens pick.
Speaker 3: More than likely these guys are going to be starters
Speaker 3: on double digit win teams that have a chance to
Speaker 3: win the Super Bowl. So for as great as a
Speaker 3: pick as Travis Hunter is like, he had one of
Speaker 3: the most remarkable I mean, think about it, Colin, he
Speaker 3: had one of the best six months we've ever seen.
Speaker 3: He literally played both ways Division one college, won the Heisman.
Speaker 3: He had a team trade multiple first round picks to
Speaker 3: move up three spots to draft him. I will probably
Speaker 3: never see that again. Yet more likely he's going to
Speaker 3: be like a five or six win team and by
Speaker 3: October by you know, I would say, by Halloween, you
Speaker 3: and I will have him in a little screen down
Speaker 3: the bottom of the left of one of our television
Speaker 3: stop paying attention to him. Well, Yet, whoever the Rams
Speaker 3: take or whoever the Lions take, Chris Collinsworth is going
Speaker 3: to be calling those games on Sunday Night Football with
Speaker 3: twenty five million people watching.
Speaker 2: No, if you look at the draft so far, there's
Speaker 2: only two players that I believe can turn losses into wins.
Speaker 2: Cam Mooard at Tennessee replacing Will Levis. I told you
Speaker 2: they won four more games just simply because of significant
Speaker 2: upgrade at quarterback in that division. I think we both
Speaker 2: go yeah, yeah, I mean Cam mood to Will Levis
Speaker 2: is a D to a B. And the other player
Speaker 2: that I I mean, this draft is not exceptional. I
Speaker 2: do think Ashton gen will be a pretty spectacular player
Speaker 2: for the Raiders, and with Chip Kelly's brain, the brock
Speaker 2: Bauers Geno Smith. This is not a draft where people
Speaker 2: are changing outcomes. And Jayden Daniels changed outcomes. We thought
Speaker 2: Kayleb Williams. Would it Bo Nicks changed outcomes. I could
Speaker 2: argue that Tennessee and Vegas will be because of their
Speaker 2: first round players. Would you agree, noticeably more dynamic offenses
Speaker 2: in an offensive league?
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think there's been one team, minimum from the
Speaker 3: top five that has made the playoffs over the last
Speaker 3: five years. And you know, remember when the forty nine
Speaker 3: Ers had the number two overall pick and they took
Speaker 3: Bosa and then all of a sudden they had a
Speaker 3: thirteen win team and they were in the Super Bowl
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen. I don't know if there's one of
Speaker 3: those teams here, but I'm with you. I mean that
Speaker 3: they lost Josh Jacobs last year the Raiders and their
Speaker 3: running game was a joe. I mean, they were just
Speaker 3: they were in bad shape as an organization. So anytime
Speaker 3: you get a guy that is that good. But like
Speaker 3: I said, you know, going from the Mountain West, he's
Speaker 3: a fantastic prospect and a fantastic his His tape this
Speaker 3: year looked like a high school kid going to Nick
Speaker 3: Saban in his prime. But it's a pretty big difference.
Speaker 3: I mean, their division is really really hard, and you know,
Speaker 3: Cleveland I think is cool with sitting back, I do
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of pressure on Will Campbell. He
Speaker 3: is a guy that if we assume that the Patriots
Speaker 3: are going to be a viable you know, low level
Speaker 3: like kind of like Denver was this year operation, they're
Speaker 3: gonna need Will Campbell to the don't need to be
Speaker 3: Trent Williams, but can he just be a starter, a
Speaker 3: solid player that you can kind of rely on immediately
Speaker 3: there's gonna be Listen the arm length thing. People push back,
Speaker 3: but it's it's I know it's crazy to sound like
Speaker 3: an inch is a make or break deal, but historically
Speaker 3: it is difficult out there on edge. Think how many
Speaker 3: teams now have good pass rushers, right, Like the Jets
Speaker 3: have a good pass rush. We know the Bills have multiple.
Speaker 2: Well think about this, think about the pass rushing position.
Speaker 2: Think about the two positions in football that feels significantly
Speaker 2: better than ten years ago. Tight End is now a no,
Speaker 2: it's not just a blocker. Tight Ends now are vertical
Speaker 2: and edge rusher. Well, they're both six', five you, know
Speaker 2: two forty five to two fifty pound. Athletes there's just
Speaker 2: more of. Those got if you Watch Major League, baseball
Speaker 2: how many pitchers are six? FIVE i, mean how many?
Speaker 2: Guys through ninety eight we've had this explosion of big,
Speaker 2: athletes often with dads that were former pro. Athletes and
Speaker 2: these guys are ending up a lot of the time
Speaker 2: at tight end doing stuff Like Brock bauers And Colston
Speaker 2: lovelin that you just didn't see tight ends. Do you
Speaker 2: can split them? Out why they can be corners down
Speaker 2: the field and then and then defensive ends and edge.
Speaker 2: Rushers there's just so many athletic guys now on the. Edge,
Speaker 2: okay The chargers select O Marion, hampton the running back
Speaker 2: From North. Carolina, okay so this is. Interesting SO i
Speaker 2: went to dinner With Greg, roman the offensive coordinator for The.
Speaker 2: Chargers he was On friday, night and you, know he's
Speaker 2: not going to give me any, intel but we we
Speaker 2: really talked a lot about football and what the team,
Speaker 2: needed AND i wasn't going to pry. Information but the
Speaker 2: one thing that we you, know we agreed. WITH i,
Speaker 2: SAID i wouldn't be shocked if you guys didn't go tight,
Speaker 2: end running, back, interior offensive, lineman wide. Receiver and you
Speaker 2: Know greg. Acknowledged he, Goes, listen we got good, players
Speaker 2: but we probably need a little. Juice we probably need
Speaker 2: a little bit more. Juice and that's. That AND i,
Speaker 2: said do you Like Colston? Loveland he's, like everybody Likes Colston.
Speaker 2: Loveland do you Like? Hampton he, goes everybody Likes. Hampton
Speaker 2: SO i mean this to, me Nause harris And. Hampton,
Speaker 2: Okay now With Joel ault last year And Mashaun slater
Speaker 2: at left, Tackle, john this is A Jim harball football.
Speaker 2: TEAM i picked them to win their division this. Year
Speaker 2: this is A Jim harball football. Team between those two,
Speaker 2: picks a power running speed Guy Najie, harris by the, Way,
Speaker 2: similarly now he didn't have the burst Of, hampton But
Speaker 2: Naji harris is a power running. BACK i mean even
Speaker 2: last YEAR Jk, dobbins who's got some girth to, him
Speaker 2: got some. Size this is really starting to feel like
Speaker 2: A Jim harbaugh.
Speaker 3: Team, well if you had to bet right, now who's
Speaker 3: going to have the better Career Omarion hampton With, harbaugh
Speaker 3: WHO'S i think going to retire as The chargers coach
Speaker 3: And genty with The raiders, situation you would have to
Speaker 3: bet On Jim harbaugh and his running. Back, so you,
Speaker 3: KNOW i think a lot of teams in the league
Speaker 3: thought That O'marion hampton was a big time. Player Now
Speaker 3: genty got all the buzz and all the. Hype this
Speaker 3: guy's a Stud. Colling they Gave Naji harris some. MONEY i,
Speaker 3: mean think about the discussion WHEN dk metcalf was on
Speaker 3: the block that The chargers are going to go trade for.
Speaker 3: Him it's, like, GUYS i never understand these people making
Speaker 3: these these guesses about What harbaugh is going to do
Speaker 3: that is just so different from what he's done for
Speaker 3: fifteen twenty years offensive, linemen running. Backs he'll take another.
Speaker 3: LINEBACKER i, mean it's the way he builds his team
Speaker 3: that they're going to be. GOOD i, mean it was
Speaker 3: pretty clear last year With denver and with The chargers
Speaker 3: that was going to be the worst version of those two,
Speaker 3: Teams Sean payton and him moving. Forward that's why the
Speaker 3: pressure on you, know each And andy feel like we
Speaker 3: got to. Stay we got to keep nailing, Picks we
Speaker 3: got to keep being good because these guys are coming and,
Speaker 3: Listen i'm not trying to be A raider hater. Here
Speaker 3: they're going to be. Better but from a roster, standpoint to,
Speaker 3: me they were clearly the fourth operation in this.
Speaker 2: Division so if you look at what they have, now
Speaker 2: they have their quarterback And Justin, herbert they have their
Speaker 2: left and right, tackle And joe. Auld they Have Nase,
Speaker 2: harris who was clearly underutilized and under coached In. PITTSBURGH
Speaker 2: i mean he even Admitted Nase harris acknowledged we didn't
Speaker 2: really have we didn't really have an identity In, pittsburgh
Speaker 2: which they don't off. Actively now you've Got hampton the
Speaker 2: breakaway runner and Nag harris the power runner the. Offense
Speaker 2: now now they're going to go, INTERIOR o, lineman sideline
Speaker 2: receiver and tied end at some point in this draft
Speaker 2: that's where they're. Going it feels like it feels like to,
Speaker 2: me this is one of the more predictable teams in
Speaker 2: the draft because the, defense let's face, it last year
Speaker 2: it overachieved or at least achieved to the level that
Speaker 2: should have With Brandon. STALEY i think The. CHARGERS i
Speaker 2: think everybody in the ballpark knows what That Greg roman
Speaker 2: needs juice and he just got a powder keg of.
Speaker 3: It. YEAH i MEAN i Saw Greg roman a decade
Speaker 3: ago With Frank gore kicking everyone's. Ass That harbaugh. Team
Speaker 3: their best receiver Was Michael, crabtree AND i think we
Speaker 3: all believe That Justin herbert has a. CHANCE i know
Speaker 3: he had a really bad playoff. Game Peyton manning had a.
Speaker 3: BUNCH i, mean THE, nfl you don't get a seven game,
Speaker 3: series so you have a bad playoff. Game it leaves
Speaker 3: the stink in everyone's. Mouth do you want to Sell
Speaker 3: Justin herbert? Stock i'll buy. SOME i would Imagine Greg
Speaker 3: roman says, like we like this quarterback a. LOT i
Speaker 3: don't blame. Him SO i think The chargers. LISTEN i,
Speaker 3: mean IF i was a betting, MAN i would say
Speaker 3: That Jim harbaugh is going to end his coaching career
Speaker 3: as A Super bowl. Champion, now it might not happen
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, five but they are going to be
Speaker 3: a major major, factor not just in THE, afc but
Speaker 3: in THE. NFL i think over the next several. YEARS i,
Speaker 3: mean this guy is basically six foot two hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty five pounds running four to four. Five this guy's a.
Speaker 3: STUD i, mean this guy part of when you draft this,
Speaker 3: player he's going to be with the nucleus Of alt
Speaker 3: And slater And herbert now for the next five six. Years,
Speaker 3: like this is part of that nucleus with some of
Speaker 3: the guys they drafted last. Year and to, me If
Speaker 3: naj you, know for a while he got. Overdrafted, yeah looking,
Speaker 3: back you, know he's a first round, pick but he's
Speaker 3: not that. Good but he's a good role, player AND
Speaker 3: i think sometimes In pittsburgh they were very dependent on.
Speaker 3: Him now he just gets to be a role player
Speaker 3: For Jim, harball who will mix these running backs in
Speaker 3: With Greg roman and they will run the ball down your.
Speaker 3: Throat they're going to play defense and run the ball
Speaker 3: down your. Throat he's been doing. IT i, mean he
Speaker 3: probably wished he could have done it when he was a,
Speaker 3: quarterback and he's been doing it ever since he was a.
Speaker 3: Coach SO i couldn't be any more bullish on The
Speaker 3: chargers at least shocking pick so. Far the Night harpatok
Speaker 3: to go running back in the first.
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Speaker 2: john they held The draft In Green. Bay there's two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand people. There it's absolutely. Magical looking on,
Speaker 2: television it's incredibly, Gripping and you, KNOW i really believe
Speaker 2: this to be. TRUE i think there are certain cities In,
Speaker 2: america and Green bay is one of. Them buffalo obviously
Speaker 2: The Buffalo. Bills baltimore's got to feel like. This they're
Speaker 2: not as, flashy and SO i think there's a feeling
Speaker 2: in the building that you do have to work harder
Speaker 2: and smarter than other. Teams and you, know Like. MIAMI i,
Speaker 2: mean look at THE nfl right. Now miami's a. Mess
Speaker 2: Both New york teams are a. Mess chicago's been a
Speaker 2: mess for a long. TIME i think sometimes you, Know,
Speaker 2: DALLAS i would, argue does not have anything resembling a
Speaker 2: top ten. ROSTER i think a lot of times somebody
Speaker 2: told me this year's, ago be careful who you draft
Speaker 2: when you live in port, cities you, know Like New,
Speaker 2: York New, Orleans, miami you, know At San, FRANCISCO. La
Speaker 2: there's just more to. Do port cities, have you, know
Speaker 2: really cool. Areas they're. Livelier BUT i Think Green bay
Speaker 2: is really a testament because it's the Smallest North american sports,
Speaker 2: market is THAT i certainly believe they're on a short.
Speaker 2: List if you told me who was drafted better than
Speaker 2: anybody over the last twenty five, years Green bay has
Speaker 2: to be on a short. List first of, all they
Speaker 2: never take offensive linemen in the first, round yet they
Speaker 2: never have bad offensive. Lines in, fact they overwhelmingly don't
Speaker 2: draft offensive players in the first, round and yet they
Speaker 2: almost always have more productive offenses than the league. Average
Speaker 2: well that's drafting and. Developing and whatever you think Of Jordan,
Speaker 2: love there's no question he has first round. Talent now
Speaker 2: can he stay? Healthy can he be more? Consistent BUT i,
Speaker 2: MEAN i look At Green bay AND i love what
Speaker 2: THE nfl is doing BECAUSE i went to a couple
Speaker 2: of drafts In New. York it was, fine but everything's
Speaker 2: hard In New. York everything The Super bowl was, Hard
Speaker 2: the drafts are. Hard it's just you, know if you
Speaker 2: ever end up In New york during you and, week
Speaker 2: forget about. IT i mean just forget about. It but
Speaker 2: it's JUST i look At Green bay AND i think
Speaker 2: they selected by the, Way Matthew golden wide Receiver. Texas
Speaker 2: so that's. Interesting they Feel Christian watson can't stay. Healthy
Speaker 2: this is a really interesting. PICK i wonder if this
Speaker 2: is just best player they had from their scouting report
Speaker 2: because we like their wide receiver, group we really like.
Speaker 2: It but the truth, is Because watson can't stay, healthy
Speaker 2: there's a feeling that they've got a bunch of twos
Speaker 2: in three and they don't have a. One or is
Speaker 2: this signaling one of their young receivers was really Inconsistent
Speaker 2: And i'm wondering if this is a sign they may
Speaker 2: move off one of their young receivers or is this
Speaker 2: is this a we don't have a number? One BECAUSE
Speaker 2: i Love watson big TOWARDS.
Speaker 3: Acl, yeah and.
Speaker 2: So my take with them Green bay is what THE i,
Speaker 2: Mean he's very likely the best player on their.
Speaker 3: BOARD i, mean this was a guy that was discussed
Speaker 3: to go in the top. FIFTEEN i think when you
Speaker 3: look At Green, bay you Lose watson to THE acl.
Speaker 3: Injury dobbs is wearing the uh the concussion cap and
Speaker 3: he got a concussion to end the, season which was
Speaker 3: Several you, KNOW i THINK i Liked, wix but he
Speaker 3: wasn't the most productive relative to his, skill very.
Speaker 2: Inconsistent you.
Speaker 3: KNOW i think the one thing that makes The packers
Speaker 3: pretty special is is most, teams just like most, companies
Speaker 3: once you get to be billion dollar, operation you kind
Speaker 3: of cycle from. Outside Like starbucks needed a NEW. Ceo
Speaker 3: they hired the dude From. Chipotle you, know the forty Nine.
Speaker 3: Ers when they were, looking they went and Got Kyle
Speaker 3: shanahan From atlanta And John lynch From fox The Green Bay.
Speaker 3: Packers once Ron wolf took, over AND i think either
Speaker 3: late eighties early, Nineties Ted thompson had worked for that
Speaker 3: organization for like thirty years and he became the general
Speaker 3: manager like fifteen or twenty years In gudakin's same. THING
Speaker 3: i Think gudakins has been in the. Organization it's in
Speaker 3: the late, nineties so they speak the same. Language it's
Speaker 3: like When steve jobs To Tim, cook it was like
Speaker 3: under the same. Umbrella that never happens in THE. Nfl,
Speaker 3: usually ONCE i fire everybody The, JAGS i hired two
Speaker 3: new people from two new. Places so you get all
Speaker 3: these different philosophical. Beliefs this guy has a, mentor this
Speaker 3: guy had a. Mentor all the mentors In Green bay
Speaker 3: stem back to Ron. Wolf it's, like you, know the
Speaker 3: one thing with The walsh. Guys they're all different, places
Speaker 3: but they're all fundamentally driven By, Walsh toholmgren To. Andy
Speaker 3: it all kind of broke down that, way but they
Speaker 3: were all different. Organizations these the scouting in the front
Speaker 3: office never Left Green. Bay you, know they went From
Speaker 3: Ron wolf To Ted, Thompson, togodakins who were all in
Speaker 3: the building as they. Transition that's unheard. Of it's kind of.
Speaker 3: UNIQUE i, Mean Howie roseman has been with The eagles
Speaker 3: for twenty five plus. Years, Now that's that's not very.
Speaker 3: Normal this is a nomadic. Profession it's kind of crazy,
Speaker 3: that you, Know sean McVay and Less sneed have been
Speaker 3: together as long as they. Have that's that doesn't happen very.
Speaker 3: Often in the. End look at The, giants they're running
Speaker 3: through coaches and. Gms the only reason they didn't fire
Speaker 3: everybody because he felt kind of bad every couple of
Speaker 3: years he was firing. People BUT i think The, packers
Speaker 3: in just in terms of, stability have a pretty special thing.
Speaker 3: Going it's why back to The rogers, thing and same
Speaker 3: With Devonte adams is, LIKE i don't know if you
Speaker 3: guys realize how good you have it?
Speaker 2: Here, no, no is it?
Speaker 3: Perfect? No but is it better than ninety percent of the?
Speaker 3: League hell?
Speaker 2: Yeah, WELL i mean look AT i, mean let's be,
Speaker 2: honest look At aaron's career since he. Left it's a.
Speaker 2: Mess it's kind of. Embarrassing, yeah it's, Embarrassing like forget the.
Speaker 2: Injury he's. Needy you, know he's kind of semi you,
Speaker 2: know he's. DISINTERESTED i mean his career has BEEN i
Speaker 2: mean he's MORE i think of him AS i think
Speaker 2: of him in human, terms more than football. TERMS i
Speaker 2: don't even think of him as a. QUARTERBACK i just
Speaker 2: think him kind of now as a. Personality and it's
Speaker 2: like that's when you're done. So AND i also THINK
Speaker 2: i ALWAYS i used to call it the Green bay quarterback.
Speaker 2: Syndrome it's a pretty easy. Media it's a small. Market
Speaker 2: you can't go to the grocery. Store you. Know you
Speaker 2: can hide in a lot of these, cities like like you,
Speaker 2: know In New, York Los, Angeles San, francisco you put
Speaker 2: a cap and glasses. ON i mean you put a hoodie.
Speaker 3: On you.
Speaker 2: Can you can walk in and out of places pretty.
Speaker 2: Regularly Green bay you. Can't AND i do think it
Speaker 2: wears on you a little. Bit like you you are
Speaker 2: so there's no owner to hold you accountable for stuff
Speaker 2: you can you, Know Aaron, farv we're taking, passive aggressive
Speaker 2: shots or aggressive shots at the front. Office you don't
Speaker 2: have an owner to tell, you you, know, hey stop
Speaker 2: it or we'll move. You SO i do think it.
Speaker 2: Is it's, different not. Difficult it's different to be a
Speaker 2: quarterback In Green. Bay but here's what's not. Difficult they
Speaker 2: never have battle. Lions they don't necessarily have a number one,
Speaker 2: receiver but you always have good. Weapons Green bay's always
Speaker 2: furnished people with good. Weapons the knock On Green bay
Speaker 2: has always, been Hasn't it always been kind of the
Speaker 2: defense should be. Better we always liked their personnel more
Speaker 2: than their. Productivity but.
Speaker 3: And their defense improved last year because they Hired boston. Athlete,
Speaker 3: yes and now it felt, like you, know the offense
Speaker 3: in a weird way let him, down which was kind
Speaker 3: of understandable because they had so many injuries at wide.
Speaker 3: Receiver the quarterback got hurt in the first, game and
Speaker 3: it just his season was just kind of. Weird but
Speaker 3: he showed some, flashes but it wasn't quite as. High
Speaker 3: but you believe In, lafloor you, Know Jordan, Love i'd,
Speaker 3: still you, know buy stock in that. Situation Josh jacobs
Speaker 3: is one of the best running backs in the. League
Speaker 3: and to, me, DEFENSIVELY i think last year they were
Speaker 3: not good in the. Division you, know they lost To.
Speaker 3: Detroit i'm pretty sure that they went which is pretty
Speaker 3: crazy that they went one in five or something in the.
Speaker 3: Division i'm pulling it up right, now The Green Bay.
Speaker 3: Packers they went one in five in the division. Going
Speaker 3: so think about. That The Green Bay packers won eleven
Speaker 3: games and they won. ONE i mean they lost a
Speaker 3: game to The, bears which is now was the last
Speaker 3: game of the season or, whatever but still one in.
Speaker 3: Five so you, KNOW i, Know packer fans a little
Speaker 3: let down the way that. ENDED i get your divisions,
Speaker 3: good even an average year gonna win split them three and.
Speaker 3: Three so you're an eleven win team with one divisional,
Speaker 3: win you add a couple, More you're you're much closer
Speaker 3: to me that thirteen wins than you are. Nine, LIKE
Speaker 3: i think The packers are gonna be. Good it would
Speaker 3: not shock me at. ALL i, mean, there let's face,
Speaker 3: it there's a major question market quarterback In. Minnesota their roster's,
Speaker 3: awesome but the quarterback the chances THAT i mean What
Speaker 3: Sam donold just throw thirty five thirty six. TOUCHDOWNS jj
Speaker 3: McCarthy gonna do. THAT i, mean look look at all
Speaker 3: these guys getting drafted Off. MICHIGAN i Mean, Honestly Jim
Speaker 3: harboss team the last two years resemble something Of saban
Speaker 3: Or Kirby, smart you know At Ohio.
Speaker 2: State you know it's Interesting john AS i look at this.
Speaker 2: Draft so let's start with twenty. One, Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, Chargers Green.
Speaker 2: Bay i'm going in, Order Pittsburgh, Chargers Green, Bay, Minnesota, Houston, Rams, Baltimore.
Speaker 2: Detroit those are really good. Rosters washington at twenty nine Than,
Speaker 2: Buffalo Kansas, City. Philadelphia the downside To washington's year it's
Speaker 2: they have a roster that should be drafting. Six But
Speaker 2: Jayden daniels was so. GOOD i, mean you look at
Speaker 2: all these rosters Around washington before and after you're, like,
Speaker 2: oh those are top twelve. Rosters washington's probably like twenty.
Speaker 2: One so the downside To jade And daniels' success, was oh,
Speaker 2: crap we could really So washington's going to be drafting
Speaker 2: at the end of all these. Rounds now they Got Jaden.
Speaker 2: Daniels nobody's crying for. Him BUT i do think their
Speaker 2: roster is closer to The, RAIDERS i would, argue than
Speaker 2: it is the teams that surround. Them, Philadelphia, buffalo Did,
Speaker 2: Troit Baltimore, Rams, Minnesota Green Bay, Chargers. Pittsburgh Even denver's
Speaker 2: got a pretty good roster at, Twenty Tampa bay at
Speaker 2: nineteen does. So just the thought As i'm looking over
Speaker 2: the teams that Remain, minnesota it.
Speaker 3: Has to be one of the worst rosters in recent.
Speaker 3: Memory and, OH i can't remember a roster that bad
Speaker 3: being in a. Comment and that's why it speaks to
Speaker 3: the power of coaching and quarterback play in THE. Nfl
Speaker 3: if you got those two, things you got a real.
Speaker 3: Chance and Obviously Dan Quinn coach of the year level
Speaker 3: And JADEN i, MEAN i don't, know one of the
Speaker 3: greatest rookie seasons we've ever. Seen now they did add
Speaker 3: now we'll, see you know his deebo. Shot does he
Speaker 3: have you, know one last season in? Him you Add Laramie.
Speaker 3: TUNZEL i mean they've added some veteran players instead of
Speaker 3: just buying average guys in free. Agency they, said, yeah
Speaker 3: we'll trade some mid round picks for some potentially higher
Speaker 3: end players that are veteran. Guys so they've taken a
Speaker 3: different tactic Utilizing Jayden daniel's rookie. Contract you, KNOW i
Speaker 3: Think debo is gonna have a little bit of a
Speaker 3: fire lit under him And Laramie tunzell JUST i mean a,
Speaker 3: flawed great, player but a pretty high end left. Tackle
Speaker 3: so THEY'VE i think their roster is gonna look much,
Speaker 3: better AND i Thank Adam peters. Is. YEAH i think
Speaker 3: he's a, stud So i'd expect him to have a good.
Speaker 2: Draft minnesota Takes Donovan. Jackson offensive line For Ohio state
Speaker 2: By buckeye, standards because of the injuries and moving players
Speaker 2: out of, position was not as good as Average Ohio state.
Speaker 2: LINES i, mean they won The, natty but it felt
Speaker 2: like a lot of that was, defense wide, receiver running.
Speaker 2: Back So Donovan jackson guard To Ohio. STATE i think
Speaker 2: we largely looked at This minnesota. Team is one of
Speaker 2: the questions was we loved him everywhere but THE o. Line,
Speaker 2: AGAIN i will never criticize teams for GOING o, line
Speaker 2: even the guys that. Miss one of The jets a
Speaker 2: few years ago took a left tackle that was had weight,
Speaker 2: Issues Makai, Becton i'll never criticize you for going. There you,
Speaker 2: know the right tackle for The giants From alabama appears
Speaker 2: to be a. MISS i get. It SO jj McCarthy's
Speaker 2: had in, Injuries Donovan jackson a guard Interior Old. LINEMAN i,
Speaker 2: mean what's the first Thing chicago, Does Drew dolman And
Speaker 2: Joe toney And Jonah. Jackson the first Thing Ben johnson
Speaker 2: does he makes Sure Caleb william's feet the guard center
Speaker 2: guard will be. Safe So minnesota Takes Donovan Jackson houston
Speaker 2: on the. Clock you. Know so if you look at
Speaker 2: the draft right, now IF i said to you your favorite,
Speaker 2: pick and we're currently through twenty, four AND i don't
Speaker 2: want to be A, homer but doesn't it feel like
Speaker 2: The chargers Getting hampton the running back at twenty two
Speaker 2: is about as good as you're going to do in this?
Speaker 2: DRAFT i, mean, no, no what does the steel? Mean and,
Speaker 2: again it's hard to give out draft. GRADES i Saw
Speaker 2: Scott Van pelt laughing at people who give out draft.
Speaker 2: Grades we don't, know but, boy at twenty, two Does
Speaker 2: Mario hampton not feel like the value pick of the?
Speaker 2: Draft so? Far? HORRIBLE i, mean out of miss last.
Speaker 2: Year Joe, walt, who by the, Way Greg roman told
Speaker 2: me wait until you See Joe. Aalt he, Goes he's
Speaker 2: going to have an unbelievable. Season he, goes people don't.
Speaker 2: Understand doesn't matter where you play left or right, tackle
Speaker 2: that is such a hard. Position first year in THE.
Speaker 2: Nfl these edge, rushers as you noted, earlier are so.
Speaker 2: Good greg was Like joealt thought he had a terrible.
Speaker 2: Season i'm, Like, joe you. Didn't he, goes this is
Speaker 2: a really hard league to try to block edge.
Speaker 3: Rushers you know what's crazy IS i was, like in my,
Speaker 3: experience guys that are that tall six,' nine it's difficult
Speaker 3: for them. To BEND and i REMEMBER when i first
Speaker 3: kind of Dove into alton. Texted around, they're, LIKE yeah i,
Speaker 3: don't worry he's an, elite Athlete and i'm. WITH you
Speaker 3: i watched him. LAST year i, was like this is
Speaker 3: one of the better ROOKIE tackles i. CAN remember i
Speaker 3: think all, these picks like starting with the, good teams Starting,
Speaker 3: WITH tampa I Mean, DENVER baron i think a lot
Speaker 3: of people think he's one of the better players in.
Speaker 3: This Draft, The, CHARGERS hampton I. Mean golden people love.
Speaker 3: This guy he goes To. The packers you want to
Speaker 3: listen wide receivers they've drafted over, The Years, DeVante Adams,
Speaker 3: Jordy nelson they get a pretty good history here. WE
Speaker 3: go i just think all these guys are gonna be
Speaker 3: impact players on.
Speaker 2: Good, teams well the rumors and the reporting. Were Right
Speaker 2: The New york giants make a trade With The, houston
Speaker 2: texans move up And Select jackson Dart Quarterback. Ole MISS
Speaker 2: so i have somebody in THIS league i trust. A
Speaker 2: lot and he Said That brian dabole Really Like. Jackson
Speaker 2: dart i'm very cool, on him mostly BECAUSE when i
Speaker 2: watched them against, YOU know i watched THEM Play, Lsu, Bama.
Speaker 2: Georgia florida those are THE games i watched With old
Speaker 2: miss like everybody else is watching On. A saturday he.
Speaker 2: WASN'T spectacular, i mean he's a. GOOD player i don't
Speaker 2: think there's. Any question he went to the same high
Speaker 2: School As, zach wilson ran the. Same OFFENSE what i
Speaker 2: worry about Is that, lane's offense, you know has a
Speaker 2: lot of, stick routes, bubble screens a lot of complete
Speaker 2: sins are, built In And ole miss has really. GOOD talent,
Speaker 2: I mean lane can really, recruit quarterbacks, running backs. Wide
Speaker 2: receivers lane's an. Elite RECRUITER and i Also think lane
Speaker 2: is schematically is a well above average. College COACH so
Speaker 2: i Worry That. Jackson dart it's a lot of that
Speaker 2: stuff is built in and he and he still in,
Speaker 2: big games is completing fifty eight fifty. Nine percent what
Speaker 2: do you hear and what do you Make Of. Jackson
Speaker 2: dart you.
Speaker 3: Know when you meet someone that everyone you, know likes
Speaker 3: but you have a bad, First impression, YOU'RE like i don't.
Speaker 3: GET it i. Had something this is off with. This
Speaker 3: guy my first time really diving into this guy was
Speaker 3: watching Him against florida and he imploded at the end
Speaker 3: of the game and. THROUGH interceptions i can't. Now YOU
Speaker 3: and i remember watching HIM at usc that, LAST year
Speaker 3: I Think clay helton was still, the coach, right yeah
Speaker 3: and he, was, like ah there's. Something there but then
Speaker 3: he immediately transfers to. Lane, listen physically he's obviously has a,
Speaker 3: talented arm good. Little athlete But that florida game in
Speaker 3: a game that was must win for them to get into,
Speaker 3: the playoffs and, you, know well miss was like a legitimate. Playoff,
Speaker 3: pick oh they were gonna compete for the NATIONAL champions
Speaker 3: i think he had the number one. Portal class they
Speaker 3: spent a bunch of money and dark just kind of
Speaker 3: let him down in some. BIG games i, would, say
Speaker 3: yeah when the, season ends you're thinking like, Third round
Speaker 3: like this guy is one of those guys that's gonna
Speaker 3: get drafted on the, second day maybe become. A starter
Speaker 3: but to, end up the draft process was really good.
Speaker 3: To him he was. A guy. You know we talked,
Speaker 3: about RISERS which i hate that sometimes like like this.
Speaker 3: Last week no one's rising this. Last week but over
Speaker 3: the course of the last couple, of months coaches get to,
Speaker 3: meet you they get you on, the board they work you.
Speaker 3: Out personally that's how. You RISE because i think it's
Speaker 3: fair to say when the, season ended if you just
Speaker 3: pulled scouts that were Going Into ole miss general managers
Speaker 3: and then, watched him this guy was not a first round.
Speaker 3: Graded quarterback and this is someone, you know shador some.
Speaker 3: Question marks, either way they. Handled everything this is a
Speaker 3: that like tries to interview, incredibly well and that can
Speaker 3: get you. In Trouble so i'm. WITH you i think
Speaker 3: THIS is, i mean what's you gonna. Do start it's
Speaker 3: not like he's. Gonna play he's not beating out, You Know.
Speaker 3: Russell wilson but is this situation where If the giants aren't.
Speaker 3: That good all of, a sudden people are chanting his
Speaker 3: name in met life and he's starting, week eight nine.
Speaker 3: Or ten and here's the, Other, thing colin when you
Speaker 3: trade up for, this player the new coaching staff coming
Speaker 3: in if they don't, WIN games, i mean they have
Speaker 3: to make the playoffs to get. Contract extensions where did
Speaker 3: they go seven and ten and they get fired and
Speaker 3: the new coach has to inherit this guy that you
Speaker 3: just trade it up. TO get, I mean i don't
Speaker 3: know WHAT they i don't know if they traded a
Speaker 3: future first. Round pick they didn't, have to but it's
Speaker 3: not like they gave, Away nothing, SO okay i. DON'T
Speaker 3: know i think these type moves are a little risky for,
Speaker 3: my BLOOD.
Speaker 2: The rams so there were two beliefs WITH. The las
Speaker 2: they Really Liked colston loveland and they really Liked rock bowers.
Speaker 2: Last year, so McVay who has a history with, tight
Speaker 2: ends would like to get a. Tight END but i
Speaker 2: had Talked to lesnie during. THE season i talked to
Speaker 2: him probably two months ago and we just had a
Speaker 2: text exchange and, he, said listen it wouldn't crush us
Speaker 2: if we moved out of the first round because they
Speaker 2: don't have a second. Round pick, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah they Traded. With atlanta So the giants traded With,
Speaker 3: the texans and then.
Speaker 2: So the falcon the twenty Six Take james Pierce the Edge.
Speaker 2: From Tennessee so atlanta's had a lousy pass. Rush FOREVER
Speaker 2: so i mean they have straw with a, Pass rush
Speaker 2: so that. Is predicata when They've Got matt judon last
Speaker 2: year From The New, england patriots they thought would help listen.
Speaker 3: To, this colin listen what les sneed. Just did so
Speaker 3: they traded With. The falcons they get their second, round
Speaker 3: pick which is pick. Forty six they get next year's first.
Speaker 3: Round pick, oh jesus So the rams have next year one.
Speaker 2: Next year So.
Speaker 3: The rams now have you said they did not have
Speaker 3: a second, Round, pick Yeah. The rams So the rams
Speaker 3: get a second round pick now pick, forty six that's
Speaker 3: their first pick of, this draft and they get Next
Speaker 3: year's falcons, won.
Speaker 2: Wow and that will be a top. Fifteen pick.
Speaker 3: You would think that that seems to get to trade
Speaker 3: up To Get. James, PEARCE oh i think THAT'S schneipe
Speaker 3: i think. THAT'S insane i mean some of these some
Speaker 3: of These, TRADES colin I just i don't.
Speaker 2: Understand that my, Mind around i'm in, a words you
Speaker 2: Just got atlanta's first round Pick For, james pierce the
Speaker 2: third to fourth best edge rusher in not a great edge.
Speaker 2: Rusher class at least.
Speaker 3: If you're trading a future first round pick and You Get,
Speaker 3: travis hunter a guy that's. Never unprecedented what the guy
Speaker 3: just did probably since, leather helmets someone played, both, Ways right.
Speaker 2: So it was.
Speaker 3: THAT sad i mean, YOU'RE looking i think, it's CRAZY
Speaker 3: but i given a future first round pick to, do,
Speaker 3: it like at least you could justify it in. The
Speaker 3: Room james pierce. DECENT rusher i mean at pick, twenty
Speaker 3: five you don't trade a future first round pick to
Speaker 3: trade up for a player in. The twenties that's that that,
Speaker 3: can't happen especially a lot a. D lineman what defensive
Speaker 3: lineman is he off the board six? OR seven i
Speaker 3: think how many guys have already come off the board
Speaker 3: that all these teams. Passed.
Speaker 2: On jesus maybe.
Speaker 3: One thing if someone was falling because of a, you
Speaker 3: know Like a laramie tunzel bong issue, or something, you're,
Speaker 3: like well this guy should have been the fourth pick in.
Speaker 3: The draft we're going. All in he's one of the most.
Speaker 3: Talented guys. That's.
Speaker 2: Crazy, well also So the rams will have two number
Speaker 2: one picks, next year Theirs. In atlanta's so you're gonna
Speaker 2: probably get one that's the top fifteen and one that's
Speaker 2: somewhere in. The twenties But, remember stafford there's a sense in.
Speaker 2: The room stafford's got two years Of the. Rams left
Speaker 2: so next year is the year you would draft a
Speaker 2: quarterback or later in, This round later in, this draft like.
Speaker 2: Fourth round, Kyle. McCord, SYRACUSE again i Feel like Cleveland
Speaker 2: took jacksonville to, the CLEANERS and i feel Like the
Speaker 2: Rams took atlanta to. The cleaners.
Speaker 3: HOW often i don't Ever remember jesus a team getting
Speaker 3: another team's first round pick in.
Speaker 2: A bad draft for the fifth best edge rusher that
Speaker 2: was drafting.
Speaker 3: Twenty six usually when you accumulate those first, round picks
Speaker 3: you're drafting, really hi that has to be at first
Speaker 3: In the, Internet era i'm drafting twenty SIX and i
Speaker 3: trade BACK and i get to the team's first, round
Speaker 3: Pick and i'm not trading, a, Player right. I'm not
Speaker 3: i'm not trading, you KNOW For dk Metcalf Or tyreek hill.
Speaker 3: Or something i'm literally just trading you pick. Twenty, six
Speaker 3: Now the rams also gave their third round pick, this.
Speaker 2: Year, so well they have two thirds and, a fourth
Speaker 2: so they have. A second, they're now let's they have,
Speaker 2: a second, a third, a fourth and. Four sixes they
Speaker 2: don't have a lot. Of, needs john they need, a
Speaker 2: corner an, inside linebacker they could use a, tight end
Speaker 2: and an. Offensive tackle they need have. Four NEEDS.
Speaker 3: And i understand That that Sean and raheem are, good
Speaker 3: buddies but that felt like taking advantage. Of, EVERYBODY now
Speaker 3: i do wonder FOR, The Gm, terry Fontineau For, RAHEEM
Speaker 3: morris i mean that owners. Mid eighties he has unlimited amounts.
Speaker 3: Of money and you've talked about this for a. Long
Speaker 3: time these owners now in basketball, and football are firing
Speaker 3: guys paying you thirty million dollars away is couch change.
Speaker 3: TO them i wonder if these guys pissed off the
Speaker 3: owner last year because they got over Aggressive with cousins
Speaker 3: and then they fell in love With what's pennix after
Speaker 3: And then. Cousins sucked now the owners Meeting, with cousins,
Speaker 3: you know because he's. Pissed off he just gave ninety
Speaker 3: million dollars and cousins got a no, trade clause so
Speaker 3: it's not easy to just. Deal them he's kind of
Speaker 3: got them by the balls and let's and then they
Speaker 3: missed the playoffs. Last year, you know they hire the
Speaker 3: biggest staff in, the League and, raheem, goes well we
Speaker 3: plan on. Losing coaches because he's acting like we're gonna be.
Speaker 3: Really good they go under. FIVE hundred i wonder if
Speaker 3: that owner, is like, you guys better win and. WIN
Speaker 3: now i don't know how MUCH longer. I have there's
Speaker 3: pressure on. You guys this felt like one of those
Speaker 3: like there's pressure.
Speaker 2: From, ABOVE well, i Mean the giants are a bad.
Speaker 2: Football operation They Take, jackson dart who very few people
Speaker 2: had as a first. Round Prospect the falcons make a weird.
Speaker 2: Move up they get a first and, a third but
Speaker 2: they give up next year's number one and they give up, a, second,
Speaker 2: which again this is not a. Good draft last year
Speaker 2: was a. Great draft next year's supposed to be a significantly.
Speaker 2: Better draft this is not a. Good, draft no everybody's.
Speaker 2: Saying It There's james pierce will start, For them will
Speaker 2: he starve. For THEM now i understand it. As well
Speaker 2: they haven't had a pass rush. IN forever, i mean
Speaker 2: they just they just don't. Get sacks so and They
Speaker 2: also atlanta's drafted so many. OFFENSIVE players i Think the
Speaker 2: falcons have drafted four. Straight years their first pick was an,
Speaker 2: Offensive PLAYER so I do i do think they, you
Speaker 2: know the defensive side was to play.
Speaker 3: FOR them i got no problem drafting defense, TO me
Speaker 3: I just i'm not trading a future first round pick
Speaker 3: TO get i, don't know the fifth or sixth or
Speaker 3: seventh defensive lineman off. THE board, i mean this is in.
Speaker 3: THE twenties i truly believe that's an, unprecedented MOVE and
Speaker 3: i would have imagined stats will come out over the
Speaker 3: next twenty four hours that a team has come up
Speaker 3: from the mid second round to the middle of the
Speaker 3: twenties and given a for, you know especially for a.
Speaker 3: Non quarterback maybe we've seen in the past a team
Speaker 3: trading backup for a quarterback from the. Second Round But,
Speaker 3: JAMES pierce i would imagine half the league had this
Speaker 3: guy's like a fringe first round pick to, begin, with again,
Speaker 3: solid prospect but to mortgage that much for one player.
Speaker 2: By the Way the ravens took in a Division With.
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow take Georgia's Safety, malachi, starks which by, the
Speaker 2: Way With kyle hamilton gives them two first. Round safeties,
Speaker 2: you know it's funny about the. Safety Position the rams really.
Speaker 2: Value it safety is one of those positions where a
Speaker 2: lot of the progressive teams in, This League, kansas city
Speaker 2: a lot of these teams IN. The, nfl now some
Speaker 2: of these coaches now there's kind of a rebirth on
Speaker 2: safeties and their value to. THE defense i don't know why,
Speaker 2: that Is BUT i've i Know the rams really think highly.
Speaker 2: Of It kansas city has shown they care. About it
Speaker 2: ravens now have two first. Round, safeties Again these georgia
Speaker 2: guys just feels like, to me the hit Rate on
Speaker 2: georgia guys is very high in the.
Speaker 3: First, ROUND yeah i feel like all the Guys from
Speaker 3: georgia are gonna be good in. THE pros i think
Speaker 3: it's one the explosion of the, pass game so you're
Speaker 3: helping out your corners with all these teams have Good wide.
Speaker 2: You See the lions just paid their safety. Of fortune
Speaker 2: did you see?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 2: YESTERDAY no i. Did not they paid one of their safeties,
Speaker 2: not branched it was the.
Speaker 3: Other guy so they have to cover. Tight, ends well
Speaker 3: we've never had more pass catching, tight ends and we
Speaker 3: just got two guys that were drafted in the, top
Speaker 3: fifteen so you got to cover. That guy think how
Speaker 3: many running backs now forever there was one Or two
Speaker 3: marshall Fakes Or LADANIAN tomlinson's i feel like half the
Speaker 3: league Are just i'm never coming off, the field starting
Speaker 3: running BACK and i catch. The, Ball Yeah dereck henry's. Pretty,
Speaker 3: rare well who's covering? That guy linebackers in, The Safety
Speaker 3: so i'm covering, Tight ends i'm covering running backs out
Speaker 3: of the backfield that both can turn into just. Elite
Speaker 3: receivers AND then i got to help my corners out
Speaker 3: against every, Single Week, Jamar Chase. Justin jefferson you just
Speaker 3: go through. The list so the passing games are, so
Speaker 3: explosive and you know This Guy, kyle hamilton the good
Speaker 3: Safeties who fungal was, LIKE this i have to help
Speaker 3: in run support and be a. Good tackler they're just
Speaker 3: really really valuable because you are taking linebackers off. The
Speaker 3: field now with the, spread offense but these teams spread
Speaker 3: you out and then run. THE ball i need that
Speaker 3: guy to kind of act as. A Linebacker so i'm.
Speaker 3: WITH you i value middle linebacker and safety more than
Speaker 3: definitely some, teams do because the teams with good players
Speaker 3: at those positions are usually pretty good. On defense how?
Speaker 2: About That so detroit.
Speaker 3: THIS draft i mean, THESE guys I mean dart And
Speaker 3: the pierce thing are a, little weird, but Well the
Speaker 3: Jars From, ohio state, Good, player golden, Good, player hampton,
Speaker 3: Good player starks as a stud these teams in the in.
Speaker 3: The twenties this is the best part about quote unquote
Speaker 3: average DRAFTS is I think Eric de costa would, Tell,
Speaker 3: you yeah we don't view that big of a difference
Speaker 3: at pick twenty six twenty seven as the guy getting
Speaker 3: drafted at.
Speaker 2: PICK thirteen, i mean the, Bottom line baltimore went and got,
Speaker 2: a starter and for a Team. Like baltimore when you
Speaker 2: get down to these Teams, Like Philadelphia, Kansas, City, Buffalo, Detroit,
Speaker 2: Baltimore rams john there's not that many. Starting positions do
Speaker 2: you remember years AGO When aj smith WAS the gm
Speaker 2: Of the chargers and they had that fourteen and two
Speaker 2: team Like Ten, pro bowlers and they gave up multiple
Speaker 2: draft Picks For, eric weddle the Safety from utah who
Speaker 2: had an, unbelievable CAREER and i remember LISTENING. TO. A
Speaker 2: j smith talking. About it, he's like we got two
Speaker 2: positions that any of these kids. Could start, he goes
Speaker 2: we need a SAFETY and i forget the. Other position
Speaker 2: but his, point was when you get to the bottom
Speaker 2: of this, first round these teams don't have a ton.
Speaker 2: Of holes and so you Look. At baltimore when you Think,
Speaker 2: of baltimore they got their tight end now you, Know It.
Speaker 2: Zay flowers they have a, wide receiver they have, their
Speaker 2: quarterback they have their, left TACKLE their o line, is
Speaker 2: fine they've got a, pass RUSH and I mean i
Speaker 2: think they look at it and they just they think,
Speaker 2: to themselves, You know, georgia safety. BIG hitter, i mean
Speaker 2: Just these georgia guys almost. All.
Speaker 3: WORK yeah i think when you look at the, good
Speaker 3: teams they typically cut four or five guys that immediately
Speaker 3: Get claimed, september first so they have more of the
Speaker 3: fifty three man roster their roster because you're not gonna
Speaker 3: cut your first and second and third. Round picks typically
Speaker 3: you're gonna cut GUYS that i REMEMBER when i first
Speaker 3: got into radio and it was Going to. Harbaugh's team
Speaker 3: it was like. Twenty Thirteen greg roman would have been on.
Speaker 3: THAT staff i think they had eight, guys claimed so
Speaker 3: they had a roster that. They, captain obviously there was
Speaker 3: The peak harball forty. Nine ers they had FIFTY three,
Speaker 3: nfl guys and then they had eight or seven guys
Speaker 3: immediately get claimed to other teams and some of those guys.
Speaker 3: Became stars so they have. A roster, you Know, the Ravens,
Speaker 3: the Eagles, the chiefs they actually have like sixty SIXTY one.
Speaker 3: Nfl players, you know, some teams the, bad teams and, they're,
Speaker 3: LIKE yeah i guess we got to keep. This guy
Speaker 3: they probably got like. Mid, forties, yes guys they. Feel
Speaker 3: comfortable so it's A huge i mean it's the difference
Speaker 3: of the good and the. Bad team Look at philadelphia.
Speaker 2: Right now philadelphia's got six to seven guys who. Aren't
Speaker 2: starting we look at their own LINE in d. Line
Speaker 2: depth For the, eagles.
Speaker 3: Alone they're GONNA be, i mean if they stay. Relatively healthy,
Speaker 3: to me the only question mark is, you know the new.
Speaker 3: Offensive coordinator but, roster wise it's it's. ABOUT it, i
Speaker 3: mean if they end Up Getting. Will, johnson well look.
Speaker 2: At THIS if i said, To you, Miami shaky Miami
Speaker 2: Gets kenneth grant, At thirteen Baltimore Gets molik starks at.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven AND if i said to you one of
Speaker 2: those two guys has a big, ROOKIE year i Would.
Speaker 2: Take starks yeah. For.
Speaker 3: SURE yeah i Mean the ravens defenders from the programming
Speaker 3: that's gonna work is playing next to one of the
Speaker 3: better young players IN. The nfl it's those. Two Guys
Speaker 3: the ravens Just need lamar to have some good, playoff
Speaker 3: games because you could argue even, LAST year i mean
Speaker 3: they were better In, the bills they had a. Better
Speaker 3: team they lost the game obviously two. Years ago they're.
Speaker 3: At home they are kind of in. THIS window, i
Speaker 3: mean they draft, so well they got this quarterback in
Speaker 3: the peak of. Their powers we will, look back, you know,
Speaker 3: thank god You know Jokic and giannis WON an nba
Speaker 3: championship because they might never win, one again but at
Speaker 3: least they. Got It the ravens have this window. Right
Speaker 3: now it's they play the other two teams. Good too
Speaker 3: it's not like they're intimidated By the bills Or. The chiefs,
Speaker 3: it's like this is your time and it's. THEIR roster
Speaker 3: i DON'T know i have their team is just how
Speaker 3: do they draft? So well and they're always picking like
Speaker 3: twenty eight to.
Speaker 2: Thirty WELL and i, think again they are such a.
Speaker 2: Good roster they went and remember a couple of years
Speaker 2: ago They Got linda baum the center And Then kyle hamilton.
Speaker 2: The safety and their, takeaway, was well they would start. For.
Speaker 2: Us again they had probably four positions you could and
Speaker 2: then they because they can go acquire if they always
Speaker 2: go and acquire a starter and free agency or two
Speaker 2: and then with Teams like baltimore that maybe only two
Speaker 2: players you. Can draft so they went and got a
Speaker 2: center and. A safety they both end up being. Terrific
Speaker 2: players but a lot of people don't think centers. And
Speaker 2: safeties you know our first round, Draftable players well they
Speaker 2: are If. You're Baltimore so detroit gets uh defensive Tackle From,
Speaker 2: ohio State.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Tally williams their defensive Line At ohio state was. Really
Speaker 2: Good so detroit takes a player that had a wide
Speaker 2: variance on projections. A position, You Know aiden hutchinson. Comes
Speaker 2: back they want an interior defensive lineman who was a great, Run,
Speaker 2: stopper tyleiequilliams Defensive Tackle. Ohio state so he had one
Speaker 2: of the wider variances for a first. Round pick he had,
Speaker 2: early third. Mid second they Get him detroit does at.
Speaker 2: Twenty eight i'm reading his draft. Profile, here boy it's
Speaker 2: all over. The great one of the top ten run
Speaker 2: stuffers in. This draft.
Speaker 3: That's me think about think about. Their division, you got,
Speaker 3: you Know The, Minnesota Vikings aaron jones a good, running
Speaker 3: Back The Green Bay packers jacob's one of the better
Speaker 3: backs in. The league and the one thing they Know
Speaker 3: About ben johnson is he's going to want to run
Speaker 3: the ball right and be physical at the line. Of
Speaker 3: scrimmage and they got a good offensive. Line IMPROVED so
Speaker 3: i think last year when they had all those injuries
Speaker 3: that their defensive line Obviously once aidon broke, his leg
Speaker 3: but they lost so many other guys they had nothing
Speaker 3: to hold. The point so, to me they just needed
Speaker 3: some more. Big bodies and the one thing you would
Speaker 3: Say About, DAN campbell i mean those, two guys Him and.
Speaker 3: HOLMES resurrected, i mean what one of the most futrid
Speaker 3: franchises in the history of sports that they are. Real.
Speaker 3: OPERATION now i feel pretty confident about like, they know,
Speaker 3: you know last year They drafted Arnold. From alabama this
Speaker 3: year They Go. Ohio, state like they don't veer far
Speaker 3: from the. Top, Programs right they're not trying to outthink the.
Speaker 3: Room here they're, not like let's take this OVERACHIEVER From.
Speaker 3: Uc davis like they're just sticking kind of On The howie,
Speaker 3: Roseman plan let's take the better players from the. Bigger,
Speaker 3: program yes and it's not easy. TO draft, i mean
Speaker 3: they've been good now a couple of years in. A
Speaker 3: row it's much easier to nail picks when you're drafting
Speaker 3: tenth than when you're drafting, twenty, sixth, Right.
Speaker 2: Right well and the Thing about williams was he was
Speaker 2: a really. Good player he didn't have like a, great
Speaker 2: COMBINE which i don't really hold it against. THE guy,
Speaker 2: i mean we have some teams now that don't go to.
Speaker 2: The combine. Some coaches he was a really, productive player
Speaker 2: so he was viewed as a second. Round pick, you,
Speaker 2: know again you. GET down i made this Argument with.
Speaker 2: Jason McIntyre if you go to the grocery store and
Speaker 2: your wife actually, get eggs bread, and melt and you
Speaker 2: come back with a rake and, you, said YEAH but
Speaker 2: i got great value. On, it well we don't need.
Speaker 2: To rake we have one like sometimes you just have
Speaker 2: to draft what. You need and let's Say on detroit's
Speaker 2: board they had him as the thirty sixth best player
Speaker 2: and they're drafting. Twenty, eight well what do. YOU do
Speaker 2: i mean, this again this offense needs. NO help i
Speaker 2: mean they're, stacked offensively so they were gonna, draft defense
Speaker 2: and my take is they don't need an. Edge Rusher
Speaker 2: so i've always wondered. About that When you're detroit, twenty
Speaker 2: eight he may be your thirty sixth, rated player but
Speaker 2: if you don't take a defensive, Lineman, here john you're
Speaker 2: not drafting until deep in the. Woods Tomorrow and detroit
Speaker 2: could look at the draft, and, go well four defensive
Speaker 2: tackles are going to be off, the board the four
Speaker 2: we like by the time we. Draft tomorrow so we
Speaker 2: when you were Working with Andy, and philadelphia are there
Speaker 2: times that you do reach simply because of need and
Speaker 2: you look, and, think well we don't want to trade,
Speaker 2: up tomorrow and the four guys at this position that
Speaker 2: we really like will all be gone by the time we.
Speaker 2: Draft tomorrow we got.
Speaker 3: A factor and let's, just say, you know in, Their
Speaker 3: Backyard will John the michigan corner is probably might be
Speaker 3: their highest. Graded, guy well last year our first two
Speaker 3: Picks was arnold And. Racket straw they used pick twenty
Speaker 3: four to sixty one last year on two dbs FROM.
Speaker 3: The sec so you have to factor in guys from.
Speaker 3: Last Year obviously arnold's, a starter but these guys like
Speaker 3: going to factor more in where do we? Need help,
Speaker 3: SO yeah, I mean i think you have to factor
Speaker 3: in need when you draft at the end of the,
Speaker 3: first round and you have to base it on, last
Speaker 3: year what you invested in on the draft and how
Speaker 3: you feel those guys can take a. Big step that's
Speaker 3: a hard balance. To do so you might have, guys,
Speaker 3: like hey this guy was on a practice squad, last
Speaker 3: year but we think we might need, a linebacker but
Speaker 3: we actually think he might have a chance. To start
Speaker 3: so YOU got i got a factor in the big
Speaker 3: picture view of. The roster and then obviously what you
Speaker 3: did in.
Speaker 2: Free, agency okay so this is not surprising to me.
Speaker 2: AT all i Know the rams like, This Player Josh,
Speaker 2: connerley junior the offensive Tackle for oregon Goes. To WASHINGTON
Speaker 2: so i had said this on the show a couple
Speaker 2: of times last week and, this week is that If
Speaker 2: you're washington and you Look, at philadelphia who you have
Speaker 2: to play twice, a year and you look At THE
Speaker 2: eagles o LINE and, d line so You get debo
Speaker 2: with McLaurin And, jaden daniels so you've. Got weapons you
Speaker 2: got to FIX those O and. D lines you're Not.
Speaker 2: Beating philadelphia and so, To me connorley's a kid THAT
Speaker 2: went i think It Was rainier High. In seattle he
Speaker 2: came DOWN to Usc AND oregon us he thought they.
Speaker 2: Had him this was the beginning of the Nil and oregon,
Speaker 2: paid about, you know three four hundred thousand to. Get
Speaker 2: him he was the best left tackle by far On The.
Speaker 2: West coast he Went. To oregon he played as. A
Speaker 2: freshman the One thing i'll say, about him, great body
Speaker 2: but he just got better every Year. At oregon he
Speaker 2: was really young when he, got there but they played
Speaker 2: him early and he's he Just got he got better,
Speaker 2: and better AND so i Know the rams. LIKED him,
Speaker 2: I like i'll tell, you this this is one of
Speaker 2: my favorite picks in the last. FIVE picks i really
Speaker 2: like this PICK because i, MEAN again i think first,
Speaker 2: OF all i think you get. SOME value, i mean
Speaker 2: he's gonna he's. Gonna play he's an. Ascending player, you
Speaker 2: know played against. Real competition oregon In The, big ten
Speaker 2: played against really. Good competition and, You, know oregon let's
Speaker 2: be honest, About it oregon recruits an elite level over
Speaker 2: the last. Ten years he's At practiced Oregon pract now
Speaker 2: they Don't Have ohio. State players this this is a
Speaker 2: really good pick and it's the.
Speaker 3: Right, position well, to me it's a little bit of a,
Speaker 3: you know at the end of, the twenties how do
Speaker 3: you GET a i don't want to say, a project
Speaker 3: but he's got, you know he's an upside guy who's
Speaker 3: not ready to be like, you Know the pats were
Speaker 3: going to take him at, pick four but he's one
Speaker 3: of the more athletic guys in the class at the
Speaker 3: position you just. Get tunsil so in the last month
Speaker 3: They Had laramie tunzel and their first round pick is.
Speaker 3: A tackle, so ideally maybe this guy depends if you
Speaker 3: if you extend tons when he's your, left tackle you
Speaker 3: put this guy at. Right tackle maybe you Just use
Speaker 3: tonsil this year and you realize you don't, want him
Speaker 3: you bump this guy over to the. Left tackle it gives.
Speaker 3: You OPTIONALITY but I can i never have an, issue
Speaker 3: with like, you said With the, beckton pick taking swings
Speaker 3: on guys, six five three hundred and twenty pounds that
Speaker 3: are blue. Chip kids, you know obviously you got to
Speaker 3: do your homework on the guy and their work ethic
Speaker 3: and toughness is huge at offensive, defensive line especially, Offensive
Speaker 3: line like how tough, You are but it's, you know
Speaker 3: you Play For dan Lanning and mario these last couple,
Speaker 3: Of years like that's an. INTENSE program, i mean so you,
Speaker 3: go there they've played at a. High, LEVEL yeah i
Speaker 3: think you got to see a new level of Toughness
Speaker 3: With ohio state really these last Or at oregon these
Speaker 3: last couple. Of Years the pac twelve was excellent two,
Speaker 3: years ago and this year At at oregon playing In The.
Speaker 3: BIG ten, i mean you get you got a couple
Speaker 3: of years where the film playing at a really high
Speaker 3: level in some. Massive games, SO yeah I mean i
Speaker 3: thought this guy At The, senior bowl there was talk
Speaker 3: about him potentially being in, the mix like a top.
Speaker 3: Fifteen pick so sometimes, you know other position. Guys go
Speaker 3: obviously some receivers and defensive linemen push.
Speaker 2: Him down once once, those honestly once those tight ends,
Speaker 2: were gone this IS who i Thought the rams if
Speaker 2: they didn't get a, tight end this IS who i
Speaker 2: Thought the rams. WOULD take i know they.
Speaker 3: LIKED him i just think you get to a point
Speaker 3: where if someone knocked on my door right now and
Speaker 3: offered me triple what my, House worth i'd, Be like
Speaker 3: i'll be. Out tomorrow that's What THE rams. I Met
Speaker 3: the rams felt pretty good about taking a player kind
Speaker 3: of in this group that just, got drafted these last,
Speaker 3: couple guys but they just got an offer they couldn't say.
Speaker 3: No To like and this is where when you have
Speaker 3: stable organizations Like less Sneed and, sean McVay the only
Speaker 3: reason they go somewhere they would Choose to sean McVay
Speaker 3: would go choose To, Do amazon like he's not. Going
Speaker 3: anywhere you can make these bigger picture moves because there
Speaker 3: would be some teams in. Their spot, it's like you
Speaker 3: got this, valuable, pick right you have a first. Round
Speaker 3: pick there are players that can. Help you You Got.
Speaker 3: Matt stafford you're living year to year it'd be easy to. Justify,
Speaker 3: it listen they're offering us, a ton but we're trying
Speaker 3: to Win The super bowl. This year no one would
Speaker 3: have blamed them if they would have taken a player.
Speaker 3: Right there but, they're like for the health and the
Speaker 3: big picture of, the organization this is one hundred the.
Speaker 3: Right Move the rams have done an incredible job these
Speaker 3: last two years of like staying focused on winning and
Speaker 3: a competitive team while balancing this restructure of. A roster
Speaker 3: it's it's pretty unheard of kind of how. They've did
Speaker 3: now They've. Had stafford, you know if they would have
Speaker 3: had a, middle tier lower, tier quarterback they would Have.
Speaker 2: Been stafford you could argue, After, combo Yeah After andy Reid,
Speaker 2: and mahomes it's they're probably the second best combo in.
Speaker 3: The, LEAGUE yeah i, would agree especially when you factor
Speaker 3: and he's the. Play caller so. THEY are, i mean let's,
Speaker 3: face It the eagles Handled. The packers they obviously Them
Speaker 3: versus washington was not a, fair fight and they Dominated The.
Speaker 3: Super bowl there was one team in the playoffs that
Speaker 3: gave him a run for, their money and it Was. The,
Speaker 3: rams yes and for, a team, you know we Give
Speaker 3: the dolphins a lot of shit for being this warm.
Speaker 3: Weather climate they, can't travel and. It's true history speaks.
Speaker 3: For Itself the rams should fall under that. As well
Speaker 3: what's the weather on a daily based? Out there. Eighty
Speaker 3: degrees they had the ball to fifteen built this.
Speaker 2: Tough team they had the ball to fifteen yard line
Speaker 2: first down to Beat the Eagles in philadelphia in. A
Speaker 2: snowstorm they had. The ball they just Couldn't Block jalen
Speaker 2: carter on back TO back i think it was back
Speaker 2: to back snaps because They Had, bo limmer who was
Speaker 2: like a Six round arkansas draft pick, at center which
Speaker 2: was the weakest spot in their. Own line and then
Speaker 2: you know that was a you needed an all pro center.
Speaker 2: To BLOCK but i mean They had philadelphia up against.
Speaker 2: The ropes remember that big Completion Of pooka nakua out of.
Speaker 2: The sideline, you're like, holy shit they're going to walk
Speaker 2: out of here And.
Speaker 3: Beat, philadelphia well think about what they've done is the
Speaker 3: type players that they have drafted over, The Years, Aaron, Donald, Poka.
Speaker 3: Nakua cooper, you know they just draft guys that would
Speaker 3: have thrived in LIKE The afc, north right they just
Speaker 3: happened To. PLAY stafford I mean stafford could Have Played
Speaker 3: nanny klimate throughout. His career, SO yeah I mean i Think,
Speaker 3: THE rams i think they just got. AN offer i
Speaker 3: would imagine they went into the day planning on taking
Speaker 3: one of the guys in this group that gets drafted in,
Speaker 3: the twenties and they got a phone call that blew.
Speaker 3: THEM away i would have said.
Speaker 2: Yes, too Okay the Bills Take, maxwell harris and he's
Speaker 2: a Cornerback. From kentucky it's a position. OF need i
Speaker 2: don't think there's any question. About that they have to
Speaker 2: get better. At, corner also if you're going to get past,
Speaker 2: You Know kansas City and Mahomes and Reid And joe
Speaker 2: burrows and you start looking at some of these quarterbacks IN,
Speaker 2: the afc you better be better and deeper.
Speaker 3: At corner why would They Invite jalen milroe to the
Speaker 3: draft when he's not going to get drafted in the.
Speaker 3: FIRST round i saw his comments SAYING that i just
Speaker 3: want to hear my. Name called it'd. BE cool i
Speaker 3: get why he, would go even if he goes in the.
Speaker 3: Third round it has to be a. Cool EXPERIENCE but
Speaker 3: i don't understand WHY the nfl would draft a guy
Speaker 3: that was not going to go in the. FIRST round, i,
Speaker 3: mean honestly he's not even. A lock he'll probably go
Speaker 3: in the. Second ROUND but.
Speaker 2: I, Don't, KNOW yeah i, you know it's people really.
Speaker 2: LIKE him, I mean i think the story of the
Speaker 2: first Round Is shaduor sanders didn't get Drafted Because kansas
Speaker 2: city's not taken Them and philadelphia has not. Taken HIM so,
Speaker 2: I mean i think our story of the first Round Is.
Speaker 2: Shaduur sanders, YOU know, I AGAIN i i don't. LOVE
Speaker 2: him i think HE'S a. B Prospect but i'm in
Speaker 2: a quarterback driven league where about seven teams. Neat quarterbacks
Speaker 2: I'M surprised i.
Speaker 3: Could See the raiders in the second round. Taking them,
Speaker 3: you Know the Jets, signed FIELDS but i.
Speaker 2: That's not well. The defense so by, The way fields
Speaker 2: had a defensive Coach, in chicago. Defensive coach where'd he
Speaker 2: Go in pittsburgh, defensive coach rookie defensive coach With The
Speaker 2: Jets Like, JUSTIN fields i don't think he was ever
Speaker 2: going to. Be great that's not a. Fair shot like
Speaker 2: he's never had an offensive Culture ago Jets, From Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: like Justin.
Speaker 3: Somehow shador Fell to dallas in the second round and
Speaker 3: they pulled. THE trigger.
Speaker 2: I think there's, you know nobody will say this, out
Speaker 2: loud but this is the, second surgery lower body Surgery For. Dak,
Speaker 2: prescott okay he was never hyper athletic to. BEGIN with
Speaker 2: i thought the last time, He played dak was absolutely a.
Speaker 2: Pocket quarterback, oh yeah that's what. He was he Was
Speaker 2: very he was much Closer To aaron Rodgers And kirk
Speaker 2: cousins than He Was bo Knicks And lamar Jackson And
Speaker 2: josh allen.
Speaker 3: Did did dak say this when they Reported or shottenheimer,
Speaker 3: say like he's not ready to go in OTAs from?
Speaker 3: This injury they did the hamstring injury like he's not
Speaker 3: even like if they played a game in, a month he,
Speaker 3: couldn't play you KNOW what. I mean so the ankle
Speaker 3: went a shattered like, you said he was never even
Speaker 3: close to the. Same, Mobility nope which he's a solid
Speaker 3: hockey by, The, way john this injury is a pretty.
Speaker 3: BIG deal, i mean how often do you guys tear?
Speaker 2: Their hamstring And Also aaron rodgers was an elite pocket
Speaker 2: quarterback and So Was. Kirk cousins so you can live
Speaker 2: with them having a reduction. Of mobility dak's never been,
Speaker 2: you know he's never been a, strong armed effortlessly. Accurate
Speaker 2: QUARTERBACK that. I mean dan mullen is, college coach, you
Speaker 2: know and laughs. ABOUT it i talked, to him, you
Speaker 2: know now HE'S at U and l but used to Be,
Speaker 2: at florida he Was At. Misissippi state, he's, like well,
Speaker 2: you know we told you when We got dak it
Speaker 2: was about, the intangibles, the man, the player. The toughness
Speaker 2: he still never threw a, good ball like we never
Speaker 2: thought he threw a. Pretty ball so the fact that,
Speaker 2: YOU know i don't think schedor Of the cowboys.
Speaker 3: Is.
Speaker 2: Crazy now it would obviously create an s storm and
Speaker 2: they've got far greater needs than that.
Speaker 3: First time head. Coach too, YOU know i don't Know
Speaker 3: if jerry And even jerry would have to probably, you
Speaker 3: know cooler heads would have to prevail and, BE like
Speaker 3: i don't know if we even want to.
Speaker 2: DO this i, think Honestly the cowboys are going to go,
Speaker 2: tight end that's, my guess tight end or. Running, back
Speaker 2: Yeah If javonte williams came There, from denver so they've
Speaker 2: got they've got a two at? Running back can they? Find,
Speaker 2: Us Listen travion Henderson For ohio state in, my opinion
Speaker 2: now maybe the best, player available he could go.
Speaker 3: To the chiefs here at. Thirty two, you Know the
Speaker 3: eagles And.
Speaker 2: THE chiefs i bet you. That Too kansas. CITY takes
Speaker 2: i Think.
Speaker 3: The eagles And the Andy and howie were just bored
Speaker 3: because they just traded with each other thirty one to, thirty,
Speaker 3: two really so they just they flip. Flop. PICKS andy
Speaker 3: i think historically he's had made a trade in every
Speaker 3: draft for like twenty, five years and how he loves
Speaker 3: the trade, so.
Speaker 2: Well it's funny because.
Speaker 3: THAT'S really i can See the chiefs Taking The ohio
Speaker 3: state running back.
Speaker 2: For sure but You said philadelphia just moved to.
Speaker 3: Thirty, one yeah they're picking. Thirty one it wouldn't shock
Speaker 3: me if they Take the michigan, Corner Here. Will johns
Speaker 3: what Are the eagles? REALLY neat, i mean they just
Speaker 3: take whoever the best player on the.
Speaker 2: Board is by, the way is that gonna be funny
Speaker 2: If the Eagles Get, will johnson who was viewed by
Speaker 2: most as the best corner and they just hit on
Speaker 2: two corners? Last year let me tell. You something nobody
Speaker 2: in this league has three. Good corners nobody in this
Speaker 2: league has three. Good corners if They Get, Will johnson
Speaker 2: philadelphia is the only team in the league that.
Speaker 3: Has, that well they got three, good corners and then
Speaker 3: they would have probably the best young pass rusher IN,
Speaker 3: the nfl definitely interior pass Rusher In. Jalen Carter nolan
Speaker 3: smith really came on at the.
Speaker 1: One of the most active LINEBACKERS with i, don't know
Speaker 1: the highest paid defensive coordinator in, the League And vic
Speaker 1: fangio and their entire offense is all making minimum twenty
Speaker 1: million dollars in a Bunch of.
Speaker 2: Pro bowlers. Let's predict let's do it right now. For
Speaker 2: fun we won't edit. THIS out I think Philadelphia Takes
Speaker 2: will Johnson and kansas that He Takes. Trevon henderson that's.
Speaker 3: MY guess I would i will agree with, You There
Speaker 3: will johnson's going one of these next two picks would be. My,
Speaker 3: guest well and the other THING is i could See.
Speaker 3: The chiefs remember they took the little running Back From
Speaker 3: lsu Burrows year clyde he kind of you KNOW they,
Speaker 3: i KNOW but i do wonder if that you know
Speaker 3: they've andy had, success Historically got shady in the second
Speaker 3: round like that they. Have TAKEN but i think in This,
Speaker 3: DRAFT hendrickson i mean he was he made a lot, of.
Speaker 2: Plays, dude yeah the KID from lsu. WAS not i
Speaker 2: didn't think he was a wildly dynamic home.
Speaker 3: Run back he was more OF a i think they
Speaker 3: viewed him more as like a pass Catcher, like westbrook a.
Speaker 3: Young version it. Just did it, didn't work but they
Speaker 3: do need you would like the One thing philly has is.
Speaker 3: JUST playman i mean they're, just, Like Yeah, dallas goddard someone.
Speaker 3: Take him we'll just draft the tight end the second
Speaker 3: or third round because we got to save a little
Speaker 3: money here because we got we don't we only got
Speaker 3: one football to. Go around but they are so loaded.
Speaker 3: On offense where you Look, at philly You got rice
Speaker 3: who's gonna come off. This injury you Got zavor worthy
Speaker 3: came on at. The End BUT kelsey's i mean he's
Speaker 3: he's a postseason player at. Most now so that they
Speaker 3: they need, some pop, you know. Running back they were
Speaker 3: Playing With, kareem hunt, you know toward the end of
Speaker 3: the season when you know they had, some Injury so
Speaker 3: i'd be stunned If the chiefs don't go with.
Speaker 2: The, playmaker well they're GONNA get, i mean they're Gonna
Speaker 2: Get Rashi, rice back who would really have developed into
Speaker 2: a one before he.
Speaker 3: Got hurt but that was a PRETTY big, I mean
Speaker 3: mahomes he took. HIM out i mean that was a
Speaker 3: pretty bad. Knee injuries, Lake snapped i'm. With you he.
Speaker 3: Was healthy he was a really really. GOOD player, i,
Speaker 3: mean god how he's he might be on the biggest
Speaker 3: heater of OF any gm in his Recent Drafts, Quinn,
Speaker 3: Mitchell Cooper Dejan, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith Chiefs. JORDAN davis
Speaker 3: i mean they haven't missed on, many picks and.
Speaker 2: It showed, you KNOW if i said to you what
Speaker 2: draft picks and what moves didn't, you love we would
Speaker 2: we would probably say we didn't Love what. Jacksonville did
Speaker 2: we didn't Love what, Miami did we didn't love With it,
Speaker 2: lanta did trading up With. THE rams, i mean isn't?
Speaker 2: It predictable? Isn't it AND if i said, to you
Speaker 2: what are some of, The steels well you'd say. To
Speaker 2: Yourself jim harbaugh getting a star running back at twenty two's.
Speaker 2: Of Steel Malachi starks baltimore at twenty seven is a damn,
Speaker 2: good pick and it looks like if they do what,
Speaker 2: We think.
Speaker 3: Jesus They Took, jahad campbell the Linebacker.
Speaker 2: From, Alabama oh Philadelphia. Did, yeah now he's the. Best
Speaker 2: linebacker he's kind of a. FREAK athlete i do think.
Speaker 3: THEY lost i forget whether it was In the packer
Speaker 3: game or it might have Been the. Washington Game Remember Na,
Speaker 3: kobe Dean the georgia linebacker had a, bad injury a
Speaker 3: really bad. Knee INJURY so i wonder you know they
Speaker 3: Re Signed. Zach bond here's the other thing he. Has
Speaker 3: done now four or five years in. A row they
Speaker 3: have basically just Drafted from Alabama and georgia in the
Speaker 3: first couple. Of picks last year was a little bit
Speaker 3: of an outlier with the Corner, from toledo but again
Speaker 3: he Was like. Ashton genty he could have. Left nil
Speaker 3: he was kind.
Speaker 2: OF loyalty I Think, Jehad campbell i'd argue, right now
Speaker 2: this is probably the best. VALUE pick a lot of
Speaker 2: people saw him as going somewhere like eighteen to. Twenty
Speaker 2: six they got him at the thirty. First pick that's
Speaker 2: a pretty damn. GOOD pick I.
Speaker 3: Think jahad Campbell And malachi starks are two guys That
Speaker 3: If malachi Starks and campbell had been offensive guards or,
Speaker 3: wide receivers they would have Been top they were two
Speaker 3: of the better players in. This draft but, their positions,
Speaker 3: you know kind of drop. Him down if you told
Speaker 3: Me that campbell was a, pass rusher not like a stand,
Speaker 3: Up linebacker he's going. Much higher so discriminated against giving. Your,
Speaker 3: position god they are.
Speaker 2: Gonna be they are so they Are, Talent colin oh, my,
Speaker 2: GOD yeah i mean them And.
Speaker 3: The ravens ARE just i mean every time they just
Speaker 3: get these, high end elite players from the best programs
Speaker 3: that will just knock your. Block off that's the other
Speaker 3: thing that they. Are getting there's nothing soft about these players.
Speaker 3: They Acquire the eagles have kind of morphed in To
Speaker 3: the ravens in terms of their. PHYSICAL mentality, i Mean
Speaker 3: the eagles have always had Talent, from andy even through
Speaker 3: the how, He RUN but i think these last three or,
Speaker 3: four years the physical presence of their, football team it's
Speaker 3: a little like the hardball forty nine Ers And Pete
Speaker 3: Carroll seattle seahawks of just you better buckle up when
Speaker 3: you play these guys because they're gonna. HURT you, I
Speaker 3: mean sirianni. Pretty lucky he just gets to coach a
Speaker 3: team full. All stars.
Speaker 2: God how he gets the best linebacker in that track
Speaker 2: with the thirty. FIRST pick.
Speaker 3: I could See the Chiefs Going will, johnson here or
Speaker 3: the white RECEIVER or i mean the running Back From.
Speaker 2: OHIO state.
Speaker 3: I do think If you're PHILLY or I Mean, KANSAS
Speaker 3: city i mean, YOUR division, i mean it's gonna. Be hard,
Speaker 3: you know they've benefited for. A While the raiders were.
Speaker 3: A joke, you Know the chargers just kind of always
Speaker 3: went cheap, with coaches and, you Know the broncos have
Speaker 3: had a lot of Turmoil Post. PAYDON manning, i mean
Speaker 3: this DIVISION feels, I Mean pete Carroll's a Hall, Of
Speaker 3: famer he's Coaching. The raiders You got Jim And sean
Speaker 3: payton to the highest paid coaches in, the league and
Speaker 3: they were two. Playoff teams and this is really gonna
Speaker 3: Test the chiefs over the next couple of years of
Speaker 3: they're gonna need to keep nailing draft picks and need
Speaker 3: to probably make some tough decisions like how long. Can you,
Speaker 3: You Know chris jones is an elite player when he wants,
Speaker 3: to be, but he's, you know half, the games he's
Speaker 3: not trying. As hard, You Know travis kelsey's kinda that
Speaker 3: they're gonna need their second iteration of a Group Like
Speaker 3: new england Hat during Belichick and, brady right and they.
Speaker 3: Had three but you're gonna need to need to have
Speaker 3: a new Crop of you're gonna need to get Your Next,
Speaker 3: chris jones Your Next travis kelce to be the core
Speaker 3: Guys with patrick over the next five or.
Speaker 2: Six, Years yeah howie gets the. Best linebacker thirty first
Speaker 2: pick once again goes TO an sec heavyweight to. Get
Speaker 2: him rinse. And, repeat Yeah the i'll tell, you what
Speaker 2: depending On Who kansas city takes with a thirty, second Pick,
Speaker 2: if Henderson The ohio state, running back does, not go
Speaker 2: he is the best player to start the. Second round
Speaker 2: he is a.
Speaker 3: To Me. The titans wouldn't you be all? OVER him
Speaker 3: I mean i think you go skill guy. To Around
Speaker 3: cam ward helped. Him out you Already got ridley on.
Speaker 2: The ROSTER he's i mean the fact that, HE is
Speaker 2: i mean he is. A home all three of these
Speaker 2: running backs the top three. Running back these are home run.
Speaker 2: Running backs these are guys That can these guys can
Speaker 2: you know. A nause harris is a guy that he
Speaker 2: just doesn't have any career runs over twenty. Five yards
Speaker 2: he just doesn't. Have many and it's one thing, in
Speaker 2: college but IN the nfl you got to outrun corners
Speaker 2: and safeties to get loose The gent Hampton, and henderson
Speaker 2: those are home. Run backs those guys break long. Runs
Speaker 2: regularly so this is an insane running. BACK draft i,
Speaker 2: TOLD you i. Said This woody marks is USC's most
Speaker 2: versatile running Back Since. Reggie bush he's a. Terrific back
Speaker 2: he will not be one of the top twelve to
Speaker 2: thirteen running, backs taken and. He is he was. TO me,
Speaker 2: i mean on Any, given saturday he. Was us he's.
Speaker 2: BEST player.
Speaker 3: I mean headline that recruiting's going a little bit Better for.
Speaker 2: Lincoln twenty twenty six classes. Number ONE their nil is
Speaker 2: up to like. Eighteen, millions yeah they're buying high. School players.
Speaker 2: That's good and they're buying heist and they're buying.
Speaker 3: Here's the chiefs, they. Took simmit they took the offensive
Speaker 3: Lineman From. Ohio state that's you know, One, THING andy
Speaker 3: i think there were some question marks about. The person
Speaker 3: not a, bad guy but, YOU know I think andy's
Speaker 3: history that they will take some flyers on talent and that's,
Speaker 3: you know this is this is the guy that got
Speaker 3: injured during. THE season I mean i think he was
Speaker 3: viewed as a top ten yeah. Whatever, point, YEAH yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it. Was there there was a time when
Speaker 2: he got. Banged up there was real Concerns For. OHIO state,
Speaker 2: i mean they did Lose, to michigan so who had
Speaker 2: two elite. Defensive Linemen so henderson's available at the top
Speaker 2: of THE second I think I think, tennessee boy that
Speaker 2: would be a strong pick. By them so there you.
Speaker 2: Have It shador sanders does not. Get, picked.
Speaker 3: Wow looking at These, names colin lot of, big ten
Speaker 3: lot of sec here in the in the.
Speaker 2: First, ROUND no i mean it's this is who are?
Speaker 2: WE kidding i mean this Is what FOX, and espn
Speaker 2: who now have major control in, college football wanted college
Speaker 2: football to look more LIKE, the nfl two, major conferences
Speaker 2: and so now they've. Extended that what is the? Playoff now? Fourteen,
Speaker 2: teams yeah and So and i'm, you know my take
Speaker 2: is you're going to get you know you're going to
Speaker 2: get eight of those at least from the, big dogs
Speaker 2: and so, YOU know, i mean it's who are we?
Speaker 2: KIDDING here i mean you.
Speaker 3: Want listen to listen to this stretch starting at nine
Speaker 3: because the, first round, you know the first couple of
Speaker 3: Picks had Colorado And, Boise, State, Texas, Michigan, Georgia, Bama Michigan, Penn, State,
Speaker 3: georgia Ole, miss a and m Guard From North, dakota
Speaker 3: State which i'm sure would have started at the. Power
Speaker 3: programs they probably tried to. Buy Them, Ohio, State, Texas Oregon, North,
Speaker 3: Carolina Texas, Ohio, state Ole, Miss, Tennessee Georgia, Ohio, State
Speaker 3: oregon kentucky who had a, Good, Defense Bama. Ohio state
Speaker 3: it's just.
Speaker 2: So when you're Arguing that indiana absolutely needs to be in,
Speaker 2: the playoff, it's, like folks Can we this is what
Speaker 2: drives me nuts about the college. Football MEDIA and i
Speaker 2: know a lot of these guys stop six PROGRAMS have,
Speaker 2: i mean if LSU's now a little bit because of
Speaker 2: THEIR nil lsu is a bit down in terms, of
Speaker 2: talent but generally there's like six programs and the Fact
Speaker 2: That notre dame now is recruiting at an.
Speaker 3: Elite.
Speaker 2: Level folk there's like six programs every year that just have.
Speaker 2: Better players, You know stark Now. At texas as long as,
Speaker 2: he's there they're gonna have top four players in. The Country,
Speaker 2: Ohio State georgia Kalin de boor is a. Great Recruiter
Speaker 2: brian kelly bang, the drums so they have some. Nil
Speaker 2: money but everybody's always trying TO argue smu and god.
Speaker 2: Stop it look at. This talent it's all big ten sec.
Speaker 3: And even the one GUY that i think had a
Speaker 3: run with guys up here is kind of falling off a,
Speaker 3: little bit and it shows they're not quite as Good.
Speaker 3: As clemson, You know clemson used to be. A program
Speaker 3: they don't do. PORTAL no i Mean what kirby's really
Speaker 3: turned his program Into what saban was in.
Speaker 2: This Peak, john middlcoff great, Two, Hours bud what.
Speaker 3: A night the volume