Speaker 1: Look, man, oh I see you. Why go and look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that nulture? Yes, goodness ding cultural
Speaker 1: racist calling? How are you bowing on your right whale?
Speaker 1: On right whale? You know? Um okayhan ukhan okay. Peek
Speaker 1: behind the curtain, peek behind the curtain. I'm in London Town,
Speaker 1: London Town curio as it were. And you know I'm
Speaker 1: here during the two hottest days ever recorded in the UK.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I think it's because of oppressed
Speaker 1: I think it's because mixed celestium is here and they're
Speaker 1: raising the temp up to the triple digits. You feel
Speaker 1: they were so hot they were raised the temp and
Speaker 1: you know, it's so weird to be It's so And
Speaker 1: you know what's actually oppressive about being here as an
Speaker 1: American is that everyone laughs at you for not knowing celsius.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't deal with this at
Speaker 1: I was a failed science maitre. You must understand. I
Speaker 1: don't know about that. Bo I think he went all
Speaker 1: the way to the end. That's that's not true. That's
Speaker 1: just not true. There's so much culture to talk about.
Speaker 1: Jennifer affleck Er doll on the Block Jennifer Affleck j
Speaker 1: as I think it has a nice ring to it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it does. I think I certainly
Speaker 1: don't want to go to a movie starring Jennifer Affleck.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that I want to go see Jennifer
Speaker 1: Lopez the Original Girl. What do you how do you
Speaker 1: feel that Ben Lopez? I would. I actually think that
Speaker 1: that is the only way this should have gone down.
Speaker 1: Is that. I love that they went to Vegas, that
Speaker 1: they got an in line, and yes, there was a
Speaker 1: gay couple standing behind them in line, and she said
Speaker 1: that in the announcement, And yes, I did sign up
Speaker 1: for the newsletter. I finally bit the bullet the newsletter
Speaker 1: from the j LO. You gotta go on the j
Speaker 1: LO dot com. I can't say any anything else. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're not willing to do the work, bow, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: more like flop bow. Um. Yeah, So they stood in
Speaker 1: line in Vegas and they got married, and there was
Speaker 1: a gay couple behind them, and they were all sort
Speaker 1: of marching towards love, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: Jennifer Afflet is her name now, but I believe it
Speaker 1: should be Ben Lopez. I love that so much. Um,
Speaker 1: chromatic A Ball is starting starting. You know, the gays
Speaker 1: are sort of feeling mixed emotions about the Chromatic A Ball.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing some people I actually haven't. I don't think so, honey. Later,
Speaker 1: that is a little bit of a criticism, okay, that
Speaker 1: a lot of people have been saying online about the
Speaker 1: Chromatic A Ball. So you're agreeing with a criticism. I'm
Speaker 1: agreeing with a single criticism about the set list that
Speaker 1: there's no art pop. Why would you do that to me? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's I don't understand why you would do that to me.
Speaker 1: You cut that, We'll cut that. No, don't cut it?
Speaker 1: Not for my benefit? You know what. I still think
Speaker 1: you're gonna be big slay, big slay on me. I
Speaker 1: don't think so. Maney, even if people know it already,
Speaker 1: you don't need the reveal. You have never needed the reveal.
Speaker 1: I have never needed it because I continue to surprise.
Speaker 1: That's that's the um. What else? What else? What other culture?
Speaker 1: What culture? Hunt? What culture? And I don't think you
Speaker 1: and I have really I think people have been upset
Speaker 1: because we haven't really talked about the funny girl of
Speaker 1: it all. Well I saw it, Well, did you see Okay.
Speaker 1: So this morning Beanie put out a little dispatch and
Speaker 1: she said that she has tonsilitis and that she is
Speaker 1: not allowed to be there until she is no longer contagious,
Speaker 1: and um, it's really sad. I just think the whole
Speaker 1: thing is that this is this is what we can
Speaker 1: all agree on. The whole thing is tragic. It is
Speaker 1: a tragedy. It is a modern tragedy proportions. I saw it.
Speaker 1: I literally saw it with an understudy. It was one
Speaker 1: of the performances that Beanie missed. Um, it seems like
Speaker 1: there have been a lot. I don't blame her. I
Speaker 1: don't blame her. Look neither do I honestly at this point,
Speaker 1: like I don't know if I would want to be
Speaker 1: in that atmosphere anymore either. To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I am a huge Beanie fan. I loved her as Mono,
Speaker 1: I loved her in Book Smart. It's just not not
Speaker 1: everyone is supposed to play every part, and that's okay,
Speaker 1: that's okay. Beanie should play every part in what we
Speaker 1: do in the Shadows, which she was also very looking
Speaker 1: great in that. She was great and so much. I'm
Speaker 1: a Beanie fan. This is a Beanie stand account. Speaking
Speaker 1: of casting, my sister was cast recently in a moona
Speaker 1: music video. I was cast. You were cast. You were
Speaker 1: plucked out of obscurity and plopped into truly one of
Speaker 1: my favorite music videos of the year on on a
Speaker 1: track from one of my my I think the my
Speaker 1: favorite album of the year. I don't think anything pay
Speaker 1: the most period, certainly period. This is so I'm so
Speaker 1: excited that our guests are here. Well, it's been a
Speaker 1: long time coming. Absolutely, I almost said period again, but
Speaker 1: the thing is, it's really more of an ellipsis because
Speaker 1: there's so much more to come from this episode and
Speaker 1: because guess I love what I want music video. And
Speaker 1: you know what I observed on that day bo what joy, joy, enthusiasm,
Speaker 1: a galvanization. I observed a unit unit, a band as
Speaker 1: a unit coming together to say. I observed Megstalter, a
Speaker 1: lot of Mextalter. What were they coming together together to say?
Speaker 1: Big sleigh? They were coming together to say big sleigh. Well,
Speaker 1: what they were coming together say was well I want yeah,
Speaker 1: which sort of is how it goes, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Absolutely in the general vicinity. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: there was a point where they had to teach us
Speaker 1: the lyrics because we had to start of singing along,
Speaker 1: and then about two takes in we were told, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: you know what, don't sing along. That's producing. That's producing,
Speaker 1: that's executive decision is. That's leadership, that's pop stardom, that's goals. Ellipsis,
Speaker 1: it's called ellipsis. Crazy to have a front ur of
Speaker 1: title of that already haven't even spoken. They haven't even spoken.
Speaker 1: The self titled a new album Muna is critically a claim.
Speaker 1: Let's say that. And I think their best work, which
Speaker 1: is saying fucking something. Yeah, Okay, don't don't you forget?
Speaker 1: Don't you forget about you? And saves the world? Never
Speaker 1: never forgot. Save the world. That's what I said. You
Speaker 1: sauld save the world. I said, saves the world. Okay,
Speaker 1: roll the tape back, roll the tape literally, roll the
Speaker 1: tape literally, rolled the tape back. Right now, I'm like,
Speaker 1: Doug announcement, announcement, dougas COVID violation. But I can't help myself.
Speaker 1: I have to say the truth, dougas covid. Um, we
Speaker 1: wish him the best. Um, he's in the chat right now.
Speaker 1: You're being a little too I ironic about this in
Speaker 1: your tone and really uncomfortable. He seemed to be in
Speaker 1: a really good emotional space, physical space. He says he's foggy,
Speaker 1: and then you called him a fogget, which is unacceptable
Speaker 1: and you should you owe him up? Come on, that
Speaker 1: was funny. Fogg it. Oh my god, that's brand new.
Speaker 1: No one's ever done that before, olypsus. No one ever
Speaker 1: said I'm feeling a little foggy lately, and then you
Speaker 1: look at them and you go, fogg it. No one's
Speaker 1: ever done it. Okay, well, well it's time to bring in.
Speaker 1: They are truly fantastic, fave bandler, fave handler. Individually they
Speaker 1: are known as Joe Askin, Naomi McPherson, Katie Gavin, but
Speaker 1: together they are guests, So please welcome. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: boom feeling, how's it feeling? It feels totally unreal to
Speaker 1: be uh in this zoom right now because I listened
Speaker 1: to y'all all the time. Stop that it's crazy to
Speaker 1: be actually on the episode because I'm just feeling like
Speaker 1: I'm ready to listen to the episode, but I'm also
Speaker 1: speaking on it. Well, guess what you're speaking on it?
Speaker 1: To speak on it, they're about how about you. I
Speaker 1: was going to say the same thing as as Katie.
Speaker 1: This is an opportunity of lifetime for readers like readers, readers,
Speaker 1: public people, this is this is a moment for queer people.
Speaker 1: It is it really will be. I think I'm just
Speaker 1: excited to be back in the vicinity of actually the
Speaker 1: scenes stealer. I think of the music video. Oh I'm
Speaker 1: not even sure. I'm not even sucking you yet, permission
Speaker 1: to fuck. I'm not kidding. When we saw the first cut,
Speaker 1: I my job was on the floor. I was flabbergasted.
Speaker 1: Little did I know that every moment a camera was
Speaker 1: on you, you were actually giving it two thousand percent.
Speaker 1: I don't really give less. I will say thank you
Speaker 1: for allowing me a platform to get some of our
Speaker 1: merch out there. Because the is what candy is based on.
Speaker 1: Shirt that was the sort of Easter egg for the
Speaker 1: readers and publicists, many of whom I know crossover as
Speaker 1: as a moona fandom. Do you guys have a name
Speaker 1: for your fans? I guess what they're in the moon
Speaker 1: diverse or what do we call them? What do we
Speaker 1: call them? What they called themselves something? What do they
Speaker 1: call I don't remember the Celibs Club. I love that.
Speaker 1: That's amazing, comes up like depressed something like it's very clinical.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's going to change this record cycle
Speaker 1: because it's so much more harty, or if it's going
Speaker 1: to splinter the group is going to splinter, that will
Speaker 1: still be some in the CELLBC club, We'll see. This
Speaker 1: is the thing. I think the music has always been
Speaker 1: um as as I said, I think you guys have
Speaker 1: all put it like somewhat about like queer melancholic. But
Speaker 1: even with this outBut it's always the joy has always
Speaker 1: been there. I don't think the joy was ever I
Speaker 1: don't think you're introducing the joy to people necessarily. It's
Speaker 1: maybe packaged in a new way, but I think it
Speaker 1: was always joyful. It was I love that. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was joy underneath for sure, and I think we just
Speaker 1: struggled to like integrate it into the into the it's
Speaker 1: not that but but Joe was saying that it's horny this,
Speaker 1: this one's horn here, And I didn't mean to imply that.
Speaker 1: You guys, you know this is deliberate like joy is
Speaker 1: like yeah about that? Yeah, that reads I don't think
Speaker 1: I can talk about it. I think Katie is probably
Speaker 1: the person who can talk about being horty based on
Speaker 1: Katie's affliction lately confliction. I can't believe you're going right
Speaker 1: into this. I listened to the episode with Meg like
Speaker 1: this morning because I'm like I needed to get in
Speaker 1: the space, and I was like, well, I'm going there.
Speaker 1: The first thing I have to bring up is something crazy.
Speaker 1: You're going you're just kiddie, the fliction on UM. They've
Speaker 1: noticed recently that we've been in a few situations in
Speaker 1: public where we've been having a conversation. I could think
Speaker 1: of one time we were out to brunch and somebody
Speaker 1: did walk by and when I did hear summer, what
Speaker 1: I did do is I did stop mid sentence and
Speaker 1: I did exclaim what did I say? Titties? I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was titties somewhat opened up
Speaker 1: a commerce station, which led us to there's like kind
Speaker 1: of a Muna like language. There's like, you know, language
Speaker 1: that we kind of cycle through. There's phrases that was
Speaker 1: like as most best friends have and know a little
Speaker 1: something about that, right, and Titty's led us to a
Speaker 1: conversation about um uh. One person and you don't have
Speaker 1: to name the name. I'm not. We stopped here and
Speaker 1: I'm to share the phrase I would love to The
Speaker 1: phrase was Big Natural Drugs, and that led us to
Speaker 1: Big Naturals. So we're thinking that we need to do
Speaker 1: a side project at some point called Big Natural. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's on the deluxe, the deluxe edition of
Speaker 1: this album that right now. I don't really care about
Speaker 1: boobs necessarily, like in a I don't know. I like movies,
Speaker 1: but I don't necessarily they have to date. I'm also
Speaker 1: I also like people that cut their movies off. You know,
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily one way or the other for me,
Speaker 1: but it's an energy. It's an energy energetic. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: sort of like Dick Like. I'm not actually a Dick fan.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not like, I don't wait up in the
Speaker 1: morning and think, oh, you know what, I can't wait
Speaker 1: for today Dick Like. I'm not like and I'm not
Speaker 1: like when I'm like like, for example, like when those
Speaker 1: photos of John Hamm and his big old dicks swinging
Speaker 1: around there, I was definitely there. I actually have a
Speaker 1: I was in a restaurant in New York and me
Speaker 1: and my friend who was straight a straight man, we
Speaker 1: were just were like, well, we have to look at
Speaker 1: this for at least thirty minutes. Yeah, we did. And
Speaker 1: I feel like, but naturals are the tips are the
Speaker 1: same way. It's like if a pair comes on, it
Speaker 1: comes along that's so undeniable. You're like, we have to
Speaker 1: Sara for a little bit. Sometimes, Yeah, you're enjoying something
Speaker 1: like as an anthropologist, absolutely, yeahats It's like I can
Speaker 1: appreciate when someone like but sometimes it's like in a
Speaker 1: sexual situation and here's the thing, like like it's a
Speaker 1: little bit like if like when someone's like wow, that
Speaker 1: person had a really nice dick, or like the dick
Speaker 1: was so big. Um, I'm like like I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I guess for me, it's just like they're they're
Speaker 1: not they're not a good looking thing. Yeah, I don't really.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I don't really these days. It's like
Speaker 1: I have sex with people that I have like that
Speaker 1: I'm close to. You know, it's like it's about the
Speaker 1: connection that you have with somebody and what happens in between,
Speaker 1: rather than like having sex with the bad you know,
Speaker 1: like I've done it or you went there so fast
Speaker 1: what I said, you went there so fast since ten am.
Speaker 1: But I guess this is the era always going to
Speaker 1: be cell club and so way. Well, they are able
Speaker 1: to access the horny ist because it's like when you
Speaker 1: see something from the outside, you see get the clearest.
Speaker 1: So being as part of the Celibacy Club, you can
Speaker 1: you know, write the song like Chiffon. You can get
Speaker 1: into it in these ways because you're sitting on the
Speaker 1: side observing the phenomenon the horn of the horned up nous.
Speaker 1: That's being gay. And I said, we were in we
Speaker 1: were in the tube, sorry, and the tube and Celestium goes,
Speaker 1: you know what the sleeper hit is no Idea and
Speaker 1: I go, oh, I've been no idea ground floor since
Speaker 1: day one. It's true, he has. He has mentioned that.
Speaker 1: One I was like, y'all, you need to listen. Everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: anything but me kind of girl. I go, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: amazing songs. Why is no one talking about no idea?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what song do I always sing? You always
Speaker 1: sing kind of girl? Or handle me kind of girl?
Speaker 1: The kind of girl who things that? And then I
Speaker 1: got what you've done. It's giving. It's giving, Shania, It's well,
Speaker 1: it's giving, honest to God Country. And also I think,
Speaker 1: out of all the videos and even me being in
Speaker 1: one of them, well, anything but Me is my favorite video.
Speaker 1: But kind of girl, that video needs all the respect
Speaker 1: because that video is and the costumes and the styling.
Speaker 1: You guys are sorry, but giving trade, I gotta say
Speaker 1: it was one of the best days of my life.
Speaker 1: Talk about that. I would love a mustache. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not. We've talked about this and Katie's like, why
Speaker 1: don't you just do it? But I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I want all the changes that go along
Speaker 1: with me. I want an accessory, I want the five
Speaker 1: o'clock shadow, and I want the mustache. I'm over here
Speaker 1: when I'm on TikTok, it's eleven PM. Put the filter on.
Speaker 1: I say, this is interesting, and that was an interesting
Speaker 1: That was an interesting day. I think you felt the same. Naomi. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I liked it, and also I did I had a
Speaker 1: theory about myself giving trade, so I'm it's just that
Speaker 1: I think sometimes I give trade. Of course, I talked
Speaker 1: to Taylor who directed this video about it at one point,
Speaker 1: and trade you agree, So can you can? You can
Speaker 1: you go deeper me? Yeah? You don't? You don't know
Speaker 1: what trade is. Well, I know what trade is. But
Speaker 1: when you're saying that, are you saying what kind of trade?
Speaker 1: That's what I You're sort of giving like like hero trade.
Speaker 1: Like well, first of all, can we just say, the
Speaker 1: camera all of you and it's giving sild it's on
Speaker 1: the zoom. I gotta say, even on these shitty MacBook
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not shitty on these map we love Apple
Speaker 1: the zoom cameras, I go, what's going on here? Katie?
Speaker 1: Katie has a very art directed like situation. It feels
Speaker 1: very like created. But this is what I mean though,
Speaker 1: it's definitely giving lead singer. It's definitely giving, like you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's giving Katie, like for sure, I mean, especially
Speaker 1: now more than ever. It's definitely giving a star down
Speaker 1: like the whole band. I'm just saying, like the camera
Speaker 1: hits every single one of you, And that's why I
Speaker 1: think it's smart that like for example, and like anything
Speaker 1: but Me, you all are like singing the verse because
Speaker 1: like it is giving, like everyone impacts on camera and
Speaker 1: this way, and I also love can I just talk
Speaker 1: about that anything but Me video for a second, because
Speaker 1: and I feel like this is an album you know
Speaker 1: sometimes BO when album comes along and just feels like
Speaker 1: it's really speaking to you, like for me, like and
Speaker 1: I think, BO, you'll you'll identify it's like that that
Speaker 1: feeling of like really being emotionally trapped in a in
Speaker 1: a particular spot, in a relationship trip or with another person,
Speaker 1: and like finally you have to declare, like look it's you.
Speaker 1: I I wish you all the best. It just has
Speaker 1: to be away from me, like it like we can
Speaker 1: even have a friendship, we can check in, but we cannot.
Speaker 1: I cannot continue to put myself in this position. Like
Speaker 1: and I actually went through that like pretty pretty immediately
Speaker 1: upon like getting familiar with with the album, with the song,
Speaker 1: and the video is so great is because like not
Speaker 1: only you're all trapped, you're all trapped and you're literally
Speaker 1: all like gonna have to like escape a life threatening situation.
Speaker 1: And I love that imagery. And I really loved the
Speaker 1: specific thing like you tied to the radiator, like you
Speaker 1: hanging from the from the um, from the rafters, like
Speaker 1: being driven in the car blindfolded, the thing with the
Speaker 1: plastic change, like there was just so many And I
Speaker 1: think it's so important in music videos to give that
Speaker 1: many quote unquote looks or that many different aesthetics because
Speaker 1: it's always something to watch. And then the coreo you
Speaker 1: guys are doing is so fun and like it's such
Speaker 1: a throwback. But like I just I can't say enough
Speaker 1: about that music video. I would say, this is I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just like the first time, if we're being actually real,
Speaker 1: it's like the first time this whole record cycle because
Speaker 1: of working with Ali, that we've actually been able to
Speaker 1: really communicate the visual you know, representation of the album
Speaker 1: to like its fullest degree. And it's just been it's
Speaker 1: been so fucking helpful. I never thought we could make
Speaker 1: videos like this. I love that you picked up on that,
Speaker 1: working with that theme of like feeling trapped in a
Speaker 1: situation emotionally. And I remember the conversation we had with
Speaker 1: Ali when we were figuring out what the treatment for
Speaker 1: the video was going to be, UM, because it was
Speaker 1: kind of down to the wire, and she came back
Speaker 1: to us like I sent her I had written a
Speaker 1: couple of paragraphs on like every song and kind of
Speaker 1: what I was thinking about when I wrote it, and um,
Speaker 1: so there was like a line at the end of
Speaker 1: it UM that inspired her and she was like, that's
Speaker 1: how she came up with this idea of like I
Speaker 1: love the extra layer on top of it, of like
Speaker 1: we are trapped. And then at the end of the video,
Speaker 1: welies like, oh, actually there's nobody holding us here like
Speaker 1: us here, And I just thought that was so brilliant
Speaker 1: of like, I mean, there have been so many times
Speaker 1: when I've stayed in situations that weren't working for me,
Speaker 1: but nobody else was forcing me or manipulating me, Like
Speaker 1: I am free to go, it's just do I allow
Speaker 1: myself to go? Um, And so I thought that was,
Speaker 1: you know, so brilliant. And we that whole crew, I mean,
Speaker 1: like we I feel like we owe so much to
Speaker 1: Alie pank You and Taylor James for for their work
Speaker 1: on this album. Cycle Team directed kind of Girl, Ali
Speaker 1: directed Anything but Me and I want exactly dream Team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Taylor was doing choreography for Anything but Me as well,
Speaker 1: and it was like, we really do. I feel like
Speaker 1: we needed people to push us and incur just to
Speaker 1: kind of lean into those pop moments of like no,
Speaker 1: you can do Coreo as a band, and Ali has
Speaker 1: pushed just of like you should be serving to camera
Speaker 1: like you really are like hot enough to just go
Speaker 1: for it, Like we've had those people push it's hot
Speaker 1: enough to go for it, hot enough to go for
Speaker 1: a title of that, not to draw a parallel though,
Speaker 1: because but it's like no one's trapping you from doing coreo,
Speaker 1: from serving to camera, like no one's like no one's
Speaker 1: so many of our own limits are like so imposed
Speaker 1: in that way. But yeah, and I just love that.
Speaker 1: That the last image I think I believe of anything
Speaker 1: but me as you guys all sort of running out
Speaker 1: on a sunset like in this open clear or you know,
Speaker 1: it's like an outdoor space where it's like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: it's twilight. There's it's this transitional period in the day.
Speaker 1: But maybe in this maybe this person's emotional life, like
Speaker 1: you know, um, it's just brilliant, brilliant, and oh I
Speaker 1: love a director who can choreograph. It's giving Debbie Allen,
Speaker 1: it's giving Bob Fosse and he's such a nice guy.
Speaker 1: Daddy Alian Taylor grip together in Canada, and they both
Speaker 1: were dancers, So I think maybe that's where they like
Speaker 1: love for the choreo comes from. They dance together. They
Speaker 1: do a lot of like if if requested. They do
Speaker 1: a lot of contact improv, which is fun to watch.
Speaker 1: I can't do it requests. I'll make a requests in
Speaker 1: filment and then we can we can send it around.
Speaker 1: It's good. Improv is euphemism for sex. I believe that's
Speaker 1: what dancing is a theater kid is it's actually to
Speaker 1: have sex. Well, we'll get there. Yeah, that's a horny
Speaker 1: to sex. Were a theater kids, like what was like?
Speaker 1: I would love to hear like what y'all were like
Speaker 1: when you were young and how that connects or does
Speaker 1: not to each other. We all have done theater at
Speaker 1: one point or another, and I think, I mean, I
Speaker 1: want I don't want to steal Katie's thunder about the
Speaker 1: culture that made her say that culture was for her.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we all we were all like, did you
Speaker 1: guys do straight straight theater? Straight ahead theater and musical theater?
Speaker 1: You did both? And everybody did both? Right, Matt do
Speaker 1: not until college, I'd never do anything. Okay, we I
Speaker 1: think I think that three of us did did like
Speaker 1: I know me and Joe both did some some some
Speaker 1: freaky shakespeareship in high school. We both did the We
Speaker 1: did the like gender swap plays, which makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense looking they were like, yeah, you can do that. Um,
Speaker 1: and then we did musicals too. Yeah I love it. Okay,
Speaker 1: But then we're where did Naomi and Joe grew up?
Speaker 1: Would you guys grow up? I'm from San Diego, so
Speaker 1: and yeah, Joe's from like l A area. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: went to high school in Pasadena. Where is Katie from? Katie?
Speaker 1: Where you from? I'm from the suburbs of Chicago, like
Speaker 1: Winnetka and Glenco. My dad lived in Glencore, North Did
Speaker 1: you go to a new Trier I did? Wow, you
Speaker 1: know new Trier kids? I know new Trier kids. Back
Speaker 1: Bennett is a famous new Trier kid. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: new Tree kids? Are they have? They fucked? Yeah? It
Speaker 1: was a crazy growing up experience. It's such an insane
Speaker 1: environment for so many What is it for people that
Speaker 1: don't know? Um? The North Shore is a cluster of
Speaker 1: I would say high wealth communities and New Trier is
Speaker 1: an extremely well fun did public school with a super
Speaker 1: competitive environment that some people flourishing and some people find
Speaker 1: super toxic. I didn't want to put that out there,
Speaker 1: but this is what I have heard as well from
Speaker 1: people who have gone. Yeah, I mean I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever worked as hard as I did in high school.
Speaker 1: So that's so crazy crazy I couldn't have worked hard,
Speaker 1: And I identify with that though, Like sometimes I do
Speaker 1: think about, like how I don't think I ever worked
Speaker 1: as hard in high school just trying to because do
Speaker 1: you ever think about how like in high school you
Speaker 1: really have to do all this stupid ship like you
Speaker 1: really have to do math, you really have to do science,
Speaker 1: you really have to do like all this stuff that
Speaker 1: you couldn't be less interested, Like I had to take
Speaker 1: tech like me in tech, like women in tech like me,
Speaker 1: sort of just like like sure like Maglevay like like whatever,
Speaker 1: magnet levitation, Wow, apparently still there, just like and and
Speaker 1: therefore because you have to do I don't know, like
Speaker 1: I don't know how you got, how you all feel.
Speaker 1: But just it's like when you're in high school, and
Speaker 1: it's that mentality of like, well, you gotta get into
Speaker 1: a good college or you're got to get into you
Speaker 1: have to get into a good situation. It's like your
Speaker 1: g p A has to be high, you have to
Speaker 1: take these ap classes, you have to do ib whatever,
Speaker 1: and so you end up working your fucking ass off,
Speaker 1: and because it's stuff that you're not interested in, it
Speaker 1: feels harder, you know what I mean? Like I never
Speaker 1: like being an a p euro and like Franz ferdinanding
Speaker 1: my ass off and being like where is this going
Speaker 1: to go in my life? Like should I be like
Speaker 1: on the stage cutting my teeth? But you know, did
Speaker 1: you start did you feel like you started learning after
Speaker 1: like your formal education? Yes, yes I would. I would
Speaker 1: almost be and maybe maybe y'all think the same, but
Speaker 1: I would be more useful and college would be more
Speaker 1: useful to me now that I actually know what my
Speaker 1: interests are. Yes, like and because back then it was
Speaker 1: just like, oh I guess, yeah, if I have to
Speaker 1: a history of course, like I guess it will be
Speaker 1: World War two And then I'm sitting there like I
Speaker 1: could not being able to care less, you know sure,
Speaker 1: I mean I would be very into that class. I
Speaker 1: would have the after Yeah, I think I think like
Speaker 1: I think I sort of I miss like I miss
Speaker 1: a learning environment. I miss a structured learning environment now
Speaker 1: because I feel like I am not capable of holding
Speaker 1: myself accountable. I mean while living this life, I get it.
Speaker 1: I don't think I can hold myself accountable to actually
Speaker 1: retain information and to learn. Um, I think it is
Speaker 1: impossible to penetrate the the learning area of my lobe.
Speaker 1: So I do long for school now. And I did
Speaker 1: find it to be a prison then, but I also
Speaker 1: liked it to kind of it was. It was a
Speaker 1: confusing time. Yeah, what was the academic vibe of USC
Speaker 1: while you guys were there for school at all? I
Speaker 1: hated crazy, like coming up an environment where like I
Speaker 1: had to do so much homework every night, um, and
Speaker 1: was accountable to it. And then going to SC and
Speaker 1: realizing like we had to take general education classes and
Speaker 1: just being in a lecture hall and realizing like truly
Speaker 1: nobody read anything you was caring and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You're like, this is really bizarre, Like yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: just made me think the educational system was a bit broken,
Speaker 1: like because it's again it's an expensive school. It's like
Speaker 1: people are paying for the experience of just going to
Speaker 1: college maybe more than learning the first experience. I was
Speaker 1: also gonna say, I feel like in college, that situation,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of being the standard allowed for people
Speaker 1: like Katie and myself to be teachers, little stars, to
Speaker 1: be like you. I feel like you would be looking around,
Speaker 1: no one would have read, and you'd be looking around
Speaker 1: like this. You disgusted me, like, how dare you not
Speaker 1: take this features time seriously? Because it would be like
Speaker 1: classes about I don't know, like actually important stuff about,
Speaker 1: you know, like race in America, and everyone's like on
Speaker 1: their phones sucking off. So I feel like we were
Speaker 1: we were sort of looking around with a lot of
Speaker 1: judgment at all of the other students at the school,
Speaker 1: like how dare you guys sort of squander your education
Speaker 1: at this point? Um, I was there on scholarship, so
Speaker 1: I thought I was just like happy to be able
Speaker 1: to go to school and not be like too scared
Speaker 1: about my future. But I also found it to be easy.
Speaker 1: I think it was the bar was the bar was
Speaker 1: an athletic floor, if you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I want you, And I thought it was
Speaker 1: easier than high school, like, but I was in I
Speaker 1: was in titiontion, so it was like an like an
Speaker 1: arts focused thing. And so maybe it's because I actually
Speaker 1: was enjoying it more. Actually was interested in learning how
Speaker 1: to write sitcoms. I was interested in, like you know,
Speaker 1: creating work for myself. And etcetera. But I would imagine
Speaker 1: Bowen's college experience was more difficult than high school. I saw,
Speaker 1: like the I saw both sides of it where it
Speaker 1: was people like half my classes were people didn't give
Speaker 1: a ship and didn't do the reading, and then the
Speaker 1: other half of my classes where people really gave a ship,
Speaker 1: and it was like these premad kids, and these kids
Speaker 1: were like, oh no, I'm going to Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm going to this school, you know, like and and
Speaker 1: it just reminded me of that horrible period in high
Speaker 1: school that I thought I had left behind. But if
Speaker 1: you go into medicine like that's or academia or science
Speaker 1: like that mentality just follows you your entire life or
Speaker 1: your entire career. And that is really sad to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know that you were pre met. That's
Speaker 1: so fascinating. It's it's it's weird. But I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like it got my like competitiveness like out
Speaker 1: of my system because I don't think I'm that competitive
Speaker 1: now and I have not been for a long time.
Speaker 1: Do you guys, do you guys identify collectively or individually?
Speaker 1: Is like competitive people only only when we're playing sports?
Speaker 1: Which I don't allow myself to do very often because
Speaker 1: I get like I turned into a monster. I try
Speaker 1: to keep it. I try to keep it on the couch. Great.
Speaker 1: I will say, first of all, I want to say
Speaker 1: that UM, apart from our general ed classes at USC,
Speaker 1: Joe and I were in a music program there and
Speaker 1: it was like, UM, a different environment where like some
Speaker 1: people were super plug in UM. But I think even
Speaker 1: in that environment, like in terms of being competitive, I think, uh,
Speaker 1: that program taught me a lot about UM. If you're
Speaker 1: in the field that we are in, UM, like singularity
Speaker 1: is one of the most important things that you can
Speaker 1: hear to the table, So it's like, do you have
Speaker 1: something to say that has to do with you and
Speaker 1: your story? And it's kind of irrelevant to competition, UM
Speaker 1: but I but I would also say that being in
Speaker 1: an environment where I was around other artists who were
Speaker 1: doing stuff that I thought was interesting, was helpful. It
Speaker 1: was motivating, And I think now we're very lucky to
Speaker 1: have a community of people around us who are musicians
Speaker 1: or comedians or writers who are you know, like living
Speaker 1: their dreams and doing cool ship because it it motivates
Speaker 1: you to do the same. Yeah, And you can thing.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, you can just be stoked
Speaker 1: for people's winds, Like it's so nice to be like
Speaker 1: surrounded by people who when they succeed, you just like
Speaker 1: you're so happy for them. I don't know, I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we've sort of left the competitive stuff in in the
Speaker 1: dust and we just we just want people to do
Speaker 1: well and be happy. And you know, we used to
Speaker 1: have this thing called kuyashi. It's a it's a word
Speaker 1: that means um like being motivated by anger or like
Speaker 1: motivated by the desire to prove somebody wrong. And I
Speaker 1: think that there is a part of your experience as
Speaker 1: queer people are people of marginalized genders where we feel
Speaker 1: like we can be underestimated at times, and so I
Speaker 1: think we also have definitely been motivated by like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna show you type of situation. Maybe that's not competition though,
Speaker 1: but I think that's just like ven yes, vengeance, We've
Speaker 1: we're just very lucky. Yeah, that's a really interesting way
Speaker 1: to put it, Like singularity makes you irrelevant to competition,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean that that is if you
Speaker 1: really just focus on who you are and focus on
Speaker 1: what it is you're trying to say, like it will
Speaker 1: become specific enough where you're not actually going to compete
Speaker 1: with anyone else, and then you can release that thing
Speaker 1: of you know, looking over your shoulder, because that, I
Speaker 1: think is the big trap like when you're developing, is
Speaker 1: you and especially for queer people, I mean, let's just
Speaker 1: be real, like you, there just doesn't seem like there's
Speaker 1: a spot for everyone, And they also kind of tell
Speaker 1: you that, like and because they they they meaning capital
Speaker 1: t like the industry, I think like they don't they
Speaker 1: they're not like creative enough to make all these spaces
Speaker 1: initially anyway, So it is on you and it is
Speaker 1: on us to like hone in on ourselves so that
Speaker 1: like they can't help but make a space for us,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so that I think
Speaker 1: is it feels like there was like an awakening, like
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it was like ten years ago
Speaker 1: or whatever that's like allowed what's happening now to be true,
Speaker 1: which is that there there is so much for everyone,
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously like there's there's so many platforms
Speaker 1: and like everything is so much bigger now. But I
Speaker 1: also think it does have to do with a collective
Speaker 1: waking up and this realization that like you lean into
Speaker 1: what's special about you, not trying to imitate or mimic
Speaker 1: what they are doing or what she's doing or he's doing,
Speaker 1: because it's just never gonna seem right on you, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then then then even if
Speaker 1: you are successful at duplicating that, it won't last, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: And and just like just not putting other people's expectations
Speaker 1: of what you should be or what you can do
Speaker 1: onto yourself or trying to not do that, because I
Speaker 1: think that can like it's an easy trap to to
Speaker 1: fall into, um, and it's very difficult to shed it.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's hard out here. We try
Speaker 1: to give our solves a lot of grace, and I
Speaker 1: think we have been like very patient in an industry
Speaker 1: that is not very patient. Um. But we've had patience
Speaker 1: for ourselves and like for what we're trying to get at,
Speaker 1: and allowing ourselves to like sort of grow publicly. I
Speaker 1: think is maybe, I don't know, a little bit counterintuitive
Speaker 1: for the music industry at large. I think like most
Speaker 1: people kind of expect you to, like when you hit
Speaker 1: the scene, to be fully formed, like at this point
Speaker 1: because artist development just doesn't exist. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: we've we've had to you know, we've had to just
Speaker 1: like force ourselves to be patient with ourselves and continuing
Speaker 1: to do so. I think just in yeah, well, that's
Speaker 1: that's I mean, I feel like that's the thing to
Speaker 1: unlock and that's like, um, the heck. Maybe. But also
Speaker 1: it's interesting you say that because I was going to say,
Speaker 1: maybe we're in this place now where we're not competitive
Speaker 1: with each other as queer people are queer like people
Speaker 1: who make things, but it's that we are still in
Speaker 1: opposition to like the industry or people who like or
Speaker 1: the middle management of the industry where people the suits,
Speaker 1: where people make decisions on your behalf, where they you know,
Speaker 1: like we don't have to talk about our c A
Speaker 1: or anything. But it's like it feels like that was
Speaker 1: this thing where you you guys had to sort of
Speaker 1: survive outside of this system that like abandoned you and
Speaker 1: then and then like you know, that's that's like the
Speaker 1: struggle now. I think for a lot of people it's
Speaker 1: always been the struggle, but I think now it's sort
Speaker 1: of at least I don't feel that kind of competitive
Speaker 1: Caddy spirit among other career comedians at least, it is
Speaker 1: the only thing that like makes us nervous or gives
Speaker 1: us anxiety is that there is this concept of like,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, the industry is not creative, creative enough to
Speaker 1: make space for all of us, you know that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I would just say that our like we were so
Speaker 1: lucky with who we did work with. I think it's
Speaker 1: just like I think this applies to like so much
Speaker 1: art that is maybe like left of center. That's just
Speaker 1: like they just didn't know what to do with it.
Speaker 1: More than anything, they just didn't know how to work
Speaker 1: with us. And I also just don't think like we
Speaker 1: were really ready to be worked with to a certain
Speaker 1: like I don't think we were ready, you know, just
Speaker 1: some extent. I do agree that it's like every step
Speaker 1: that we have taken has led us to this point,
Speaker 1: and we've really had the opportunity to grow as like musicians,
Speaker 1: as people to like handle. Like I even think about
Speaker 1: when we did the video and like right after that
Speaker 1: we flew to New York to do t V. It's
Speaker 1: like that was some of the most stressful ship that
Speaker 1: we have ever had to deal with, and like we
Speaker 1: did it, and I went fine, but you talked to
Speaker 1: Muna like around about you and like, if that should happened,
Speaker 1: we would have all been like it would just could
Speaker 1: have been the worst we've we've really gotten the opportunity to,
Speaker 1: you know, become who we are at this point. But
Speaker 1: I hope that's not the work. The work reflects well
Speaker 1: on you guys. Now. Even I was listening to the
Speaker 1: old to the old stuff, and I was like, the
Speaker 1: old quote unquote l L, it's like not that old.
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, but this this still heads
Speaker 1: like it's still like part of that same sonic universe
Speaker 1: that is. And I that's interesting that you say that
Speaker 1: though that you weren't that you didn't feel ready to
Speaker 1: be handled. I think there's also an element of like
Speaker 1: sorry to interrupt, you don't let you continue. But I
Speaker 1: think there was also an element of like, despite the
Speaker 1: people that we worked with being lovely and believing in
Speaker 1: the music and and us so much like there is
Speaker 1: a structural hierarchy in a building like that where if
Speaker 1: it's not working on its own, it's not working, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like this this perspective of like
Speaker 1: if it's not selling itself, then we don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with it, and that kind of puts you
Speaker 1: in a weird position where you end up like gaslighting
Speaker 1: yourself about the quality of the art that you're making,
Speaker 1: and it is. It can be a head fuck. So
Speaker 1: I think there was there. I think we had like
Speaker 1: a detectiveness about the way that we I don't know,
Speaker 1: the way the way that we behaved and presented ourselves.
Speaker 1: I think like drew attention to the fact that like
Speaker 1: we did not feel uh safe outside of the bounds
Speaker 1: of like the three of us at a certain point,
Speaker 1: like I think we feel very protective of each other
Speaker 1: and of the art, and like we don't we don't
Speaker 1: want to compromise that, and I think we were maybe
Speaker 1: a bit I struggle with this just generally as a person,
Speaker 1: but I think we did have like a hyper vigilance
Speaker 1: of like you know, maybe sort of an outsized idea
Speaker 1: of like what threats were there and what was a
Speaker 1: threat and like, you know, I don't know if that
Speaker 1: makes sense. That's very like ramboly, but yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's just the thing about like when you're art is intimate,
Speaker 1: and also like, yes, you just don't want someone to
Speaker 1: take the we just didn't want to be misunderstood. And
Speaker 1: also just like you hear so many story whereas like
Speaker 1: we were so lucky that we did have each other,
Speaker 1: Like we were never really put into a situation where
Speaker 1: we did feel super unsafe, but you can just so
Speaker 1: easily see how that as like part of this industry
Speaker 1: is such a standard and thank God we've always had
Speaker 1: each other. And like I don't think I would want
Speaker 1: to do this if I was not like with them.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just sucking hard, Like it's so hard
Speaker 1: to I don't know the people who do it on
Speaker 1: their own. I'm like, God, be with you have boundaries
Speaker 1: when you don't have other people being like is this weird?
Speaker 1: Or like you know when to check in with? I mean,
Speaker 1: like I don't know if you guys read Mariah Carrey's book,
Speaker 1: but that was insane, like like the amount like she
Speaker 1: basically was like in servitude for for for for like
Speaker 1: a decade to her husband who ran her label. I
Speaker 1: mean it was like she's basically trapped in her home
Speaker 1: Like um yeah, I mean, like it's kind of a
Speaker 1: horror story to read the book, Like when when you
Speaker 1: realize just and then when she ends the decade, the
Speaker 1: first decade of her career like incomplete exhaustion and as
Speaker 1: like a joke with the whole glitter thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, that's just a really interesting but I had
Speaker 1: never thought about how even just having one or two
Speaker 1: other people in the room with you in the same
Speaker 1: position can be a huge life raft because the solo artists,
Speaker 1: I mean, who from the early nineties is like okay,
Speaker 1: now you know what I mean, like you're crazy, or
Speaker 1: even even more recently, like it seems like like you
Speaker 1: really need those people that are there on your side
Speaker 1: to tell you like hey, like I'm here for you,
Speaker 1: and you know it's it's it's it can or it
Speaker 1: can really become like a dark situation. I didn't read
Speaker 1: the Mariah Carry book, but I read Um Jessica Simpsons book.
Speaker 1: Yeah it audible, yeah, shout out, and podcasts are reading.
Speaker 1: I've been saying this podcast all reading. But it was
Speaker 1: really wild to hear about what she had to go through,
Speaker 1: like physically and emotionally um and the way she was
Speaker 1: talked to also why her label and she also kind
Speaker 1: of framed like her relationship with Nick Lache. Part of
Speaker 1: what drew her to him was that he was the
Speaker 1: first person that told her that she could have some
Speaker 1: type of boundary um in her professional life and like
Speaker 1: that he kind of guided her of like this is
Speaker 1: you know what you should be like paid for something
Speaker 1: like this and um but but there's a there's another
Speaker 1: piece to that as well, because this was a older
Speaker 1: man that she like dating and then like you know
Speaker 1: the yeah who was in a band and it's like
Speaker 1: the feeling of what that might do to somebody, um
Speaker 1: that you can't like figure that out on your own
Speaker 1: and you rely on this older guy to kind of
Speaker 1: guide you. And I've always felt really really grateful with
Speaker 1: Naomi and Joe, like we all have our own um
Speaker 1: like superpowers, but I feel like Joe and Naomi are
Speaker 1: really good um at vibe checks, like I know with people,
Speaker 1: like they have good gut instincts. I think perhaps I
Speaker 1: had uh that instincts at some point in my life.
Speaker 1: I the trauma takes it away. I've had to do
Speaker 1: a lot so like try and recover that or like
Speaker 1: I have kind of like latent instincts and um or
Speaker 1: I gaslight myself phones raising their hands. But no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no no, keep doing I'm just I'm not
Speaker 1: neverrupting you, sorry, but it's like it's really, um, it's
Speaker 1: been so huge for me because I trust them, like,
Speaker 1: and it's also like we are um these equals like
Speaker 1: with UM these parts of our identities that are shared.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't know, it just feels more
Speaker 1: empowering to like that you're navigating this with a group
Speaker 1: of friends, UM. And yeah, they've helped me a lot
Speaker 1: with with that. I wonder if part of and I
Speaker 1: want to hear what you're going to say, bon but
Speaker 1: I wonder just like to pose it to just drop
Speaker 1: a little a little question into what you're saying, Katie.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's because me and Joe have like
Speaker 1: mask privilege, like and you, as a more fem person
Speaker 1: like didn't feel like you had access to to that
Speaker 1: in the same way like I find that people treat
Speaker 1: me differently than they treat you or like someone more feminine,
Speaker 1: like do you know what I'm saying wild, I would
Speaker 1: just also say that you and I are introverts and
Speaker 1: Katie isn't next and so like we I have such
Speaker 1: different like that's why I relate to point to Naomi
Speaker 1: in this great Naho But That's why it's like Naomi
Speaker 1: and I will sometimes be a party. You're better than
Speaker 1: than we've been. I am sorry about what it's like. Well, uh,
Speaker 1: them and I will like will be like standing next
Speaker 1: to each other being like ha ha, like we can
Speaker 1: talk to people, and like Katie's like out and about
Speaker 1: like able to connect with anyone. And I think it's
Speaker 1: just harder for us to connect with people, which maybe
Speaker 1: makes it a little bit of a vibe check seeing
Speaker 1: it from the outside. I mean, like we talked about earlier,
Speaker 1: it's like when when you're when you are literally like
Speaker 1: observing something, you see it very clearly. Sometimes Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think there's that that little force diagram between the
Speaker 1: three of you, as I think perfect where if if
Speaker 1: if Naomi and Joe are introverted, then they can be
Speaker 1: the ones that both of them can be the ones
Speaker 1: to pull Katie and be like, hey, what's the deal
Speaker 1: or that they have something instinctually there because I feel
Speaker 1: the exact same way, not to like look it back
Speaker 1: to me and Matt, but I feel this way about Matt,
Speaker 1: and I also identify with Katie and that I feel
Speaker 1: like trauma has taken away my instincts of the time,
Speaker 1: and I do need someone to be like Matt almost
Speaker 1: every other day is like, hey, what's going on? I
Speaker 1: think something is a miss here or this is good,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I think either way, Matt has been
Speaker 1: the person to like Keen well the traumas, the learned behavior, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. And like yeah, like we like all
Speaker 1: of us go back to college with each other, you know,
Speaker 1: or among our among our friends. It's also about knowing
Speaker 1: each other period. I mean, like it's it's literally it's
Speaker 1: sometimes it's less about this person is this and I
Speaker 1: see it clearly and more about I understand how my
Speaker 1: friend is feeling, you know what I mean. Like it's
Speaker 1: like if if Bone is ever dealing with someone, and
Speaker 1: I mean I literally know how Bone feels about someone.
Speaker 1: But but and like they might not know, but I know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's like it's like
Speaker 1: like we deal with certain people and I just know
Speaker 1: Bonen is either not comfortable or not about the vibe
Speaker 1: or etcetera. And like I feel like it doesn't even
Speaker 1: need to be said. Really, it's just like so now
Speaker 1: I know in the next interaction, it's like, oh, to someone,
Speaker 1: probably that we're not going to hang out with, like
Speaker 1: for more than five minutes, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: or like going to be someone we involved in the
Speaker 1: next thing or whatever. Just because you pick up on
Speaker 1: when you marinate in someone else's energy for as long
Speaker 1: as we all have, I mean you you also pick
Speaker 1: that up. What are the signs in the chat? What? What? What? What?
Speaker 1: What are we giving? Bring it back? Um? We we
Speaker 1: we all? So I'll start by saying, we don't know much,
Speaker 1: but we know our big three. We don't know what
Speaker 1: everything means, but we know enough about each other's to
Speaker 1: that it all kind of makes sense. Katie and are
Speaker 1: both Capricorns, Okay, Joe's a Pisces mm hmmm, uh, Katie
Speaker 1: is rising Gemini Pisces moon makes sense. Joe is tourist rizing,
Speaker 1: which is what I am as well. And Joe, you
Speaker 1: have a Virgo moon which makes sense, and I have
Speaker 1: a I'm tourist rizing Gemini moon, which just sucked. But
Speaker 1: Gemini moon here, and everyone's like, everyone's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it is hard. It's hard because you are but
Speaker 1: it's not that you're in conflict with yourself or that
Speaker 1: you have like multiple personalities or whatever. The fun. It
Speaker 1: means that you can in take something and see the
Speaker 1: balance for what it is. You can see one perspective,
Speaker 1: you can see another. That's all it is. That's that's
Speaker 1: what I'm convinced it is. Yeah, I totally agree with that.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to talk to you more
Speaker 1: about that because maybe you know a little bit more
Speaker 1: than I do, but barely. Well. We were not astrology
Speaker 1: people at the beginning of this podcast, and then it
Speaker 1: just starts to make so much more sense. Like, for example,
Speaker 1: one as a Scorpio, I'm a Pisces. I'm a rising
Speaker 1: Pisces cancer moon, so I'm like, oh yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: also an extrovert, which makes me like really vulnerable. But
Speaker 1: I think that, you know what's interesting, Like I have
Speaker 1: very close relationships with Capricorns. In fact, my my ex
Speaker 1: boyfriend Henry, who's my musical director of my show Katie
Speaker 1: that you came to, he's a Capricorn, and I feel
Speaker 1: that it's a good creative relationship. I loved that so
Speaker 1: much because I love seeing x Is perform on stage together.
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. Y'all all dated each other?
Speaker 1: What the hell were currently dating? We wish but mask
Speaker 1: mask love before we get into culture. Culture was for me, etcetera.
Speaker 1: What's the what is the actual like relationship history here,
Speaker 1: what's that Me and Katie dated, Katie introduced me to Joe.
Speaker 1: We started the band. Katie and I being the capricorns
Speaker 1: that we are, let the work overtake our lives and
Speaker 1: it became everything to us, like the band. And then
Speaker 1: we dated for like three years and we and then
Speaker 1: we brought us right after we got signed. But they're lesbian.
Speaker 1: Just think about it, but it's almost yeah, it's nothing, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, and then we figured it out. We went
Speaker 1: to therapy together. We and were bad at each other
Speaker 1: for a while and then we went to therapy and
Speaker 1: then we bonded over not liking our therapist and thinking
Speaker 1: that she was dumb. The three of us went to
Speaker 1: therapy too. There's band therapy, r you went. They went
Speaker 1: to therapy, the two of them, because I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't do this unless you go to therapy. It
Speaker 1: was it was a bad little while. Later on the
Speaker 1: three of us went to band therapy, and we also
Speaker 1: hated our therapist. Yeah, and that's why check in with
Speaker 1: each other about that too. That high. Yeah, it doesn't real.
Speaker 1: It's pretty toxic to like consistently discard your therapist opinions.
Speaker 1: But we all have our own therapists that we like.
Speaker 1: I think when we show up as a group, I
Speaker 1: think we're being very well behaved today. But I think
Speaker 1: sometimes we can we can come on really strong and
Speaker 1: real cuckoo and like a lot of intense energy. Is
Speaker 1: probably hard for a therapist to get a word in
Speaker 1: edgewise one and to like read the vibe. I think
Speaker 1: it's they also write their own narrative when it's like
Speaker 1: I think, as opposed to like a couple, it's like
Speaker 1: it's just like too many, to be honest, It's like
Speaker 1: three people shouldn't be going to therapy together. How could you?
Speaker 1: How could you actually? Well, oh my god, I want
Speaker 1: I want to get to but but the last thing
Speaker 1: I want to say. I have one more thing to say,
Speaker 1: which is that it the thing that's stuck out to
Speaker 1: me in one of your profiles. I think it's the
Speaker 1: New York Times one was, um, they were clocking on
Speaker 1: the three of you. I think it was after Jimmy
Speaker 1: fallon or something, or after some TV appearance, like all
Speaker 1: three of you like checked in with each other in
Speaker 1: such a caring way that the driver had to stop
Speaker 1: and be like, I'm sorry. And all my years of driving,
Speaker 1: I've never I've never seen people be so kind to
Speaker 1: each other. That was the best night of our lives.
Speaker 1: That we're like, we're just so we're the thing that
Speaker 1: is so unique about our experiences, Like we're just so
Speaker 1: fucking close. And also the fact that we're a banned
Speaker 1: It's like no one is going through this experience but
Speaker 1: the three of us that our experiences are so tied
Speaker 1: to each other, and I think it's just created like
Speaker 1: hyper intimacy. Sorry my dog, she's going, but it's just
Speaker 1: pretty hyper intimacy to the point where it's like when
Speaker 1: we're on tour, like when we're not in a bus,
Speaker 1: like the three of us share a room, like we're
Speaker 1: just so close and I think, I don't know they're
Speaker 1: the only people. It's like if I'm gonna if someone's
Speaker 1: telling me a secret, it's like, who am I telling
Speaker 1: that secret to? Someone's telling me that secret? They know
Speaker 1: that I'm spilling the tea? Only them, And it's just
Speaker 1: like I don't know two connected to connected. But that's
Speaker 1: okay because I think the theme in the musicians we've
Speaker 1: had on the show, on the podcast has been it's
Speaker 1: so hard to navigate this, And I didn't realize that
Speaker 1: the solitude of it all was like a huge component
Speaker 1: of it, and and that like the three of you
Speaker 1: being so close, I think is just so so powerful anyway,
Speaker 1: That's all I want to say. Sometimes, like some of
Speaker 1: the solo artists that we found on, like we had
Speaker 1: Marion Morrison, and you get the sense that she's like
Speaker 1: obviously extremely close with her husband, but that like they
Speaker 1: rely on each other in so many more ways than
Speaker 1: maybe a regular couple would because they're both in this
Speaker 1: industry and they often tour together, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like to have that so it almost is like
Speaker 1: being part of a duo act, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because at least that person is like always right there
Speaker 1: and that is so important. Yeah, totally when you do
Speaker 1: when you do it, like an art form that's really vulnerable,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's not like you're out there.
Speaker 1: It's not like you're not to say that acting is
Speaker 1: not vulnerable, but it's not like it's not like you're
Speaker 1: you know, on a soap opera together and like are
Speaker 1: checking in about how you felt about how the scene went.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, It's like this is your
Speaker 1: real life experiences. This is you know. I think there
Speaker 1: is something super like emotionally revealing about like even like
Speaker 1: what chord progressions you choose, like like the way you
Speaker 1: sing a song, like there's just like it's like letting
Speaker 1: people in in such a way. And so I think
Speaker 1: that that all really reads and tracks. I do want
Speaker 1: to get to the culture that made y'all say culture
Speaker 1: was for you. Let's start with Naomi and Naomi, what
Speaker 1: was the culture that made you say that culture was
Speaker 1: for you? I wasn't ready to go first, but this
Speaker 1: is this kind of have to. I know. I've tried
Speaker 1: not to overthink it too much. I think we're all
Speaker 1: like diagnosed overthinkers, so I've tried not to overthink it
Speaker 1: and on well a core, uh, I know it's going poorly.
Speaker 1: Um I I think the culture that made me say
Speaker 1: culture was for me was the culture of burned c
Speaker 1: d s. Yeah, so I didn't I didn't have like,
Speaker 1: I grew up poor, didn't have a computer until I
Speaker 1: was in my early teens, didn't understand really how you
Speaker 1: got music other than like going to the CD store
Speaker 1: and going to Tower a CD. But I had friends
Speaker 1: in like the fourth and fifth grade at my school
Speaker 1: we started burning the CDs. I didn't know anything about
Speaker 1: pop music because I just didn't. I wasn't I didn't
Speaker 1: have cable TV, I didn't have a computer, and my
Speaker 1: parents were My mom was like not interested in pop
Speaker 1: music at all. It was like a jazz heads. So
Speaker 1: I knew like funking jazz and that pretty much that's it,
Speaker 1: and like movie soundtracks, um and yeah. I like I
Speaker 1: started to get into like pop music and like contemporary
Speaker 1: pop music of the time around that time, and like
Speaker 1: it opened my whole world up getting burned CDs from
Speaker 1: my friends. So shout out to all my friends if
Speaker 1: you could, if you can think of a like a
Speaker 1: platonic ideal of like a burned c D from that time,
Speaker 1: what's on it? If you could say, like five songs, well,
Speaker 1: I have like the I definitely and that I have
Speaker 1: the headphones that go back behind your ears, you can
Speaker 1: tell me that you weren't looking tell me anything. I
Speaker 1: think it would have been, Um, it would have been
Speaker 1: like some early Destiny's Child stuff. Depending on the c D,
Speaker 1: it might have been some of the first Beyonce solo album.
Speaker 1: I love that album. Um, it would have been that,
Speaker 1: it would have been like in Vogue, Brandy. I loved
Speaker 1: stuff was really two thousands R and B person too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I loved uh like Aaliyah Mariah like all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I was really into. And I was also really into
Speaker 1: like grunge and like some heavier stuff. And I also like,
Speaker 1: I liked I liked Green Day, like like the really
Speaker 1: Green Days stuff, and I liked. Yeah, I got into
Speaker 1: like Nirvana and stuff like anyone who's like eleven and
Speaker 1: has a lot of feelings I got. But I got
Speaker 1: into emotion too, um so kind of all over the
Speaker 1: place for some reason. I I just said, Nirvana, I
Speaker 1: was really in vain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have to
Speaker 1: butche it up a little bit to feel good about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's like balanced diet. That's really it was pretty balanced. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was pretty It was pretty balanced. M Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean so I went to Jennifer Lewis's Little Star
Speaker 1: Hollywood Walk of Fame thing the other day and I
Speaker 1: sat next to Brandy. I'm telling you, I was shaking.
Speaker 1: I literally I was. I was in between Vanessa Bayer
Speaker 1: and Brandy and I turned to Vanessa and I was like,
Speaker 1: it's it's Brandy, Like I can't believe it. She was like,
Speaker 1: do you want me to like stay hello to her
Speaker 1: and we can have a conversation. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think I can. I don't. I was like,
Speaker 1: you don't understand like Brandy is like, I mean I
Speaker 1: think listening to R and B girls, Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: those were like that was like, I mean people know,
Speaker 1: like I feel like most like white boys my age,
Speaker 1: like no, like Brandy and Monica, but they don't know Monica.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's it's like but I know I really loved and
Speaker 1: I loved the full Moon album like never say Never,
Speaker 1: like all that stuff, Like I still think have you ever?
Speaker 1: Is one of the most under other Oh when she okay,
Speaker 1: who she she's doing it with? Um? Is she doing
Speaker 1: it with Joz and Sullivan in that video? I think
Speaker 1: so there's there's a video where I'm gonna look this up. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I've heard of this. Her and Jasmin Selden dude do
Speaker 1: this little I think she's teaching Brandy how to do
Speaker 1: a riff up. Like there's like an up riff that
Speaker 1: she's teaching her and then you're like a hallway. It's
Speaker 1: one of the coolest videos ever. It's so wild. It's
Speaker 1: called Brandy the Vocal Bible because like, and also you
Speaker 1: don't realize her range because her tone is so effortless
Speaker 1: and specific to her, you actually don't realize her range.
Speaker 1: But like, and you know who else is like that
Speaker 1: Tony Braxton range is out of control, Like if you
Speaker 1: actually listen to what she's doing and unbreak my heart.
Speaker 1: She is in the basement of the basement and then
Speaker 1: like like it's giving like all over the map. But anyway, yes,
Speaker 1: Naomi is the riffer of the band and also has
Speaker 1: the craziest range in the band. And that's like the crime,
Speaker 1: not honestly, is that there's not enough name it is
Speaker 1: time throughout Muna that you'll be charged. Yeah, guys having
Speaker 1: on here looking for the crime, Well you found it
Speaker 1: all right, literally perfect. Let's move on to Katie. Katie,
Speaker 1: what was the culture that meant you said culture was
Speaker 1: for you? Okay, well, I feel like my culture has
Speaker 1: been covered because initially I was going to say that
Speaker 1: the culture that made me realize culture was for me
Speaker 1: was Children's Community Theater. Give give all details of what
Speaker 1: roles you played, Like, oh my god, okay, So so
Speaker 1: I was in uh there was something called Wineka Children's Theater,
Speaker 1: and I was in. You could be in the productions
Speaker 1: between fourth and eighth grade. And there were a few
Speaker 1: of us that were uh wait, fourth, fifth, six sevent eight.
Speaker 1: So there were a few of us that were ten
Speaker 1: show ten showers like that. They that did every show.
Speaker 1: I actually don't know why I said that. They didn't
Speaker 1: call us ten showers. Did two shows a year and
Speaker 1: you did all five years and I did all five years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was like a fall play in a spring musical?
Speaker 1: Was it? Exactly? It was all musicals. It was all musicals,
Speaker 1: but there was a fall in the Spring, and they
Speaker 1: had different the directors like switched off. UM's like Alan
Speaker 1: Taylor Exactly. I've just been trying to recreate the situation. Yes,
Speaker 1: can you can you name the shows? The first show
Speaker 1: I was in was Joseph and the Amazing technicol Or
Speaker 1: Dream Code, and I was in the chorus and I
Speaker 1: just remember, um, you know, I'm a highly sensitive person,
Speaker 1: but I was so moved by musicals and I remember
Speaker 1: like being on stage for the the song Um, I
Speaker 1: think it's called close Every Door, and it's Joseph when
Speaker 1: he's like imprisoned, and you know, I just feel like
Speaker 1: literally like the pain of the world as like uh yeah,
Speaker 1: as a fourth grader and just being so moved and
Speaker 1: so good and like doing and aweing. Um. I loved
Speaker 1: being in the course and also like the first show
Speaker 1: was very formative because um, being in a community of
Speaker 1: kids that had you know, this like schedule of being
Speaker 1: together you know, three days during the weekday and then
Speaker 1: like this long rehearsal on the weekend and having cast
Speaker 1: bonding and just this feeling of like doing stuff together.
Speaker 1: And there was this really sweet older woman who made
Speaker 1: all the costumes named Ruth, and like the costume and
Speaker 1: prop closet was like in the attic of this community building,
Speaker 1: and it was like such a magical place. And I
Speaker 1: think just having this experience of like making something with
Speaker 1: a with a group of people, making friends, fucking around,
Speaker 1: you know, like during it, UM, I was so in love.
Speaker 1: I never really got um big parts in shows because
Speaker 1: something about me is that I had like a really
Speaker 1: limited range as a singer for my childhood. When you
Speaker 1: discovered your voice, because you really are such an excellent
Speaker 1: vord like talk about singularity, like you know when you
Speaker 1: hear it. So I wanted to know, like when did
Speaker 1: you discover your voice? Yeah, I mean I was a
Speaker 1: songwriter starting in fifth grade. I got I started playing
Speaker 1: guitar um, and I think I knew, I mean, I
Speaker 1: knew I loved singing um. I liked expressing myself that way.
Speaker 1: But I had this feeling that there was something wrong
Speaker 1: with my voice because I couldn't I couldn't sing the
Speaker 1: songs that were written for women in musical theater, like
Speaker 1: my range just wasn't there. And I found out later
Speaker 1: after I went to college that I had vocal nodules
Speaker 1: for like a lot of growing up that was affecting
Speaker 1: my range um. So there was this feeling of I
Speaker 1: think in a way that's part of what got me
Speaker 1: into songwriting, because I could write for for my range
Speaker 1: and I could sing through a whole song versus like
Speaker 1: just being embarrassed and limited by not being able to
Speaker 1: actually you know, sing like you know parts. And I
Speaker 1: remember like we were doing Peter Pan one year and
Speaker 1: like I, of course, it's like you want to be Wendy.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I think I got cast as
Speaker 1: Tiger Lily because I could. I just couldn't sing these songs.
Speaker 1: Um color mind casting at the time, especially, and I
Speaker 1: would be apologizing for that. You are a tiger Lily type.
Speaker 1: Everyone's thinking this, yeah, but I was like I would
Speaker 1: get um. I was often uh, this made up role
Speaker 1: captain of the dance troupe because they like, they loved
Speaker 1: me and they wanted me to like keep being a
Speaker 1: part of it. But they you know, we're trying to
Speaker 1: make up for not giving me real parts, you know.
Speaker 1: So I was. I was captain of the dance troup
Speaker 1: a lot, and I liked it. I was pulling the choreography.
Speaker 1: You know. There we go, well that that position needs
Speaker 1: to be there. Yeah, dance captain is the thing. But
Speaker 1: also I also think it is so valuable for people
Speaker 1: to be in chorus. I was always in chorus, always
Speaker 1: in chorus, was never given like a real part until
Speaker 1: senior year. Anything goes where um the I've told the
Speaker 1: story mollon times, but the musical theater director at our
Speaker 1: school was just like toxic woman and she um I
Speaker 1: had like burned that bridge junior and then she begged
Speaker 1: me to come back to do anything. Was because they
Speaker 1: were the two the two Chinese stowaways, and she was
Speaker 1: not going to cast a white person. It was like
Speaker 1: I did her a favor. But anyway, this is all
Speaker 1: to say that like on Course, being in being in
Speaker 1: Course is truly some of the most um some of
Speaker 1: the most you full formative artistic experiences that anyone can have.
Speaker 1: I think truly, I love I wouldn't say sexy times
Speaker 1: as well, because backstage having fun, the people that the
Speaker 1: big roles were not having fun the way we were
Speaker 1: having fun. I actually it's it's a live that I
Speaker 1: never did any shows. When I was in seventh sixth grade,
Speaker 1: I did Peter Pan and I was like in the
Speaker 1: I was one of the pirates. I was in the ensemble,
Speaker 1: and I remember like like I loved the rehearsal process
Speaker 1: because it was just everyone fucking around. Like I remember,
Speaker 1: I was working with these two girls and remember it
Speaker 1: was like the hell week. It was like the week
Speaker 1: before the show was going to go on. And one
Speaker 1: of these girls who I had always been messing around
Speaker 1: with and whatever, always having fun, turned to me and said,
Speaker 1: some of us take this really seriously. And you're not
Speaker 1: going to take this seriously, then maybe you shouldn't be
Speaker 1: in the show at all. Licia and I never forgot
Speaker 1: it. It It made me feel so bad. She turned on
Speaker 1: me so fast, and I don't know. Now I'm a
Speaker 1: professional actor and I don't know where exactly icon Alright, Joe,
Speaker 1: what was the culture that make you say? Culture was
Speaker 1: for you? So the thing that has been hard for
Speaker 1: me figuring this out? Okay, what I'm well, Naomi pitched
Speaker 1: me a few things, but I realized the thing that
Speaker 1: was hard for me when making this decision was, um,
Speaker 1: being gay and thinking it's like, is the culture for me?
Speaker 1: The first time? I'm like, oh my god, because it's
Speaker 1: like the way you remember things or it's either like
Speaker 1: something really made me interested in you know something, and
Speaker 1: it's like a certain things really made me interested in
Speaker 1: women specifically. But I'm not going down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: But that's what was so confusing, was like that was
Speaker 1: such a formative experience. I'm just gay. Um, they definitely
Speaker 1: are tied, and mine is still gay, but it's a
Speaker 1: different kind of gay, not forty but mask uh uh
Speaker 1: so they're not going to guess what I did. Uh,
Speaker 1: This one got pulled out of my ass. But I
Speaker 1: was really into the Muppets as a kid. And there's
Speaker 1: an episode of the Muppets where Alice Cooper is playing
Speaker 1: guitar and he he performed Schooled Out, you know, for summer,
Speaker 1: and I saw that, I was like, well, I guess
Speaker 1: I'm doing that now. There's like it's a specific Halloween
Speaker 1: episode and I was fucking obsessed with it and it
Speaker 1: made me well. I always wanted to be like a musician,
Speaker 1: but seeing that specifically was like, well, I'm doing this
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be performing with the Muppets, So yeah,
Speaker 1: if the Muppets, I love like it would be over Uppets.
Speaker 1: I love that. This is such a great specific answer
Speaker 1: that did you can can you index this moment with
Speaker 1: Alice Cooper, like have you did it get unlocked for
Speaker 1: you recently or have you always gone back to that
Speaker 1: moment being like Wow, what a freaking amazing realizations been
Speaker 1: a part of my uh. You know, I have certain things.
Speaker 1: I'm obviously like a record on repeat, and this is
Speaker 1: one of the This is one of the tracks, but
Speaker 1: it was a track that I didn't initially think of
Speaker 1: when I was talking to them about this. They pitched
Speaker 1: me a few other ones, which are obviously important, but uh, this,
Speaker 1: I had to do something. It's so funny to think
Speaker 1: about Alice Cooper guesting on the Muppets and like and
Speaker 1: like also like Sesame Street cameos, Like it was so funny.
Speaker 1: Like so, Dave Mazzoni and I host this show called
Speaker 1: Game Show and we do this thing called Celebrity Essences,
Speaker 1: and one of our clues that we were going to use,
Speaker 1: I don't I forget for who for what celebrity was
Speaker 1: It was a guest, like a celebrity guest cameo on
Speaker 1: Sesame Street. And there was this photo of Kim Control
Speaker 1: on Sesame Street and like in the Sex and the
Speaker 1: City era, And I'm like, if you were a child
Speaker 1: watching the like and you turn to them and you're like,
Speaker 1: who's like, how do you explain how Kim Contrall is
Speaker 1: famous enough to go there? And what is she saying
Speaker 1: to Oscar the Grouch? You know what I mean? Like, oh,
Speaker 1: like you're in the garbage camp. I don't know what
Speaker 1: exactly the form, but she certainly was on the shop.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite pictures, like her like talking
Speaker 1: to Oscar the ground or like Elmo, whoever the funk
Speaker 1: it is, Cookie Monster, Well, I know a thing or
Speaker 1: two of that being insatiable. The Muppets don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: The Muppets will well, the Muppets will sing with it.
Speaker 1: That is, that is what's beautiful about the Uppets is
Speaker 1: that they will sing with Alice Cooper, they will sing
Speaker 1: with Daga and a Thanksgiving special, you know like that.
Speaker 1: They but they elevate it like like any The study
Speaker 1: was saying this for our friend Study Green was saying,
Speaker 1: you put the Muppets with anything in entertainment, and it
Speaker 1: automatically elevates it because you're like, wow, what's the Muppets.
Speaker 1: Muppets It's it's it's high art because you're like, it's funny,
Speaker 1: it's cute, it's for everybody. Like, there's something so special
Speaker 1: and singular about the Muppets that you can't replicate with
Speaker 1: any universal universal it's real culture number four four universal
Speaker 1: and we and we should say real culture number seventy five, Naomi.
Speaker 1: We can't forget any of his contribution, which is podcast
Speaker 1: or books, podcast reading, podcast post. You say that, so
Speaker 1: I would say, can we just can we just briefly
Speaker 1: say We'll start with you, Joe, who is the most
Speaker 1: iconic Muppet or sesame Street character? Like, who is who
Speaker 1: is the girl? I have the girl? The thing, the
Speaker 1: thing that I'm going to say is not going to
Speaker 1: be someone that I know the name of. Described Okay,
Speaker 1: so the girl is. There is a skit in the Muppets. Uh.
Speaker 1: There are two episodes of The Muppets that Live rent
Speaker 1: Free in My Body and sool, the ones that super
Speaker 1: episode and the other ones evince the pripe episode. It's
Speaker 1: a Halloween episode. It is there's a monster Muppet with
Speaker 1: a smaller Muppet singing You're under my skin and is
Speaker 1: eating the smaller muppet. And both of those muppets combined,
Speaker 1: that are the girls for me. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: don't know that horrifying. Oh it's crazy. What's his name?
Speaker 1: It's the big It's I know, the big yellow one.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think he's part of
Speaker 1: like the original cast. He's not a no, he's a
Speaker 1: Halloween He's a Halloween regular, Like if you want to
Speaker 1: get your your ship rocked, he's on the show featured.
Speaker 1: He's a featured performer. I found I found them, I
Speaker 1: found their names. Do you want to know? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: so they were both. This was the Vincent Pright episode.
Speaker 1: The Vincent Price episode was the first season. But it's
Speaker 1: Behemoth is the big yellow one and the smaller one
Speaker 1: is Shaky Sanchez right now, just thinking, honestly, Behemoth, like
Speaker 1: I was there, I had reoccurring dreams about the Muppets,
Speaker 1: like they really, they really do belong inside of my brain.
Speaker 1: And he really didn't number on me. Let me just
Speaker 1: say that, like, if I think about him too much,
Speaker 1: I'm going to have a night terror tonight to One
Speaker 1: of my most formative nightmares was that Behemoth took me
Speaker 1: and put me in the oven and my mom like
Speaker 1: I couldn't see it, Like she was like in the kitchen,
Speaker 1: like and I couldn't get her attention. But she had
Speaker 1: a similar dream. I'm not even talking with you were
Speaker 1: I was in an elevator and there he was in
Speaker 1: the elevator and my mom is with me. I'm yelling
Speaker 1: at my mom, but she can't hear me. Yep, can't
Speaker 1: You couldn't hear me? Duo therapy dissected period Um, that's
Speaker 1: the Pisces connection. There's something there. Um. Okay, wow, you know,
Speaker 1: what about what about for Katie? Who's the top of it?
Speaker 1: I think the muppet I love the most and I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't interact with them upp is that much.
Speaker 1: But the one that I should consider interacting more, I
Speaker 1: know I should consider interacting more. Um, the one that
Speaker 1: I have an affinity for, off the top would be
Speaker 1: Gonzo co Well, have you seen Muppets, Muppets from Space,
Speaker 1: Muppets in Space of course movie Muppets in Space. I
Speaker 1: honestly don't think I have. I think they have been
Speaker 1: doing They opened well, the first of all, the movie
Speaker 1: is amazing. It's about Gonzo finding out where he's from,
Speaker 1: and he's basically from the planet that Parliament is from.
Speaker 1: The movie opens with them performing. All of the mupps
Speaker 1: are performing brick House Gonzo Africa. The best movie I've
Speaker 1: ever seen, gonz Gonzo is Black, Gonzo's black period, Gonzo's Black.
Speaker 1: He's claimed by that movie. Rewatch it. The opening montage
Speaker 1: with them cleaning their else they all live into brick houses. Amazing,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, guns guns are having Parliament and like
Speaker 1: Sun raw Energy iconic rocket number nine. Okay naomi, um okay.
Speaker 1: I want to say this is this is real hard. Um.
Speaker 1: It's a tie for me. It's type tie between Uh
Speaker 1: the King Prawn, who has a line in that movie
Speaker 1: saying that he's not a trimp, He's a king prawn
Speaker 1: and it's like his hero line. Um and Uh and
Speaker 1: Ralph the Dog, the Big Dog. He's really sweet. I
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna say no. I mean, like, because
Speaker 1: google Ralph, this is my subconscious the other guy too
Speaker 1: much a part of me. But Ralph well. I also,
Speaker 1: like I want to say about Joe and the Muppets
Speaker 1: is like in general, I do feel like there's something
Speaker 1: really historically waiting for this with Joe and like um
Speaker 1: being a France jams and like alter egos. Like when
Speaker 1: I met Joe in college, like one of the first Halloween's,
Speaker 1: they were dressed up as um, like some type of
Speaker 1: golden parrot bird like in like a full onesie with
Speaker 1: like a like a bird mask mask. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: wore a figure skating onesie. Yeah. I will say I
Speaker 1: would say anything that is like freak core that I
Speaker 1: coined recently. Yeah, I have a copyright. I feel I
Speaker 1: feel kin too Little Monster, Yeah, send them. I sent
Speaker 1: her this video, you guys known the musician Oliver sim Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he was in XX and he has a music
Speaker 1: video from his new record. I think the record is great.
Speaker 1: And the song is called Romance with the Memory, and
Speaker 1: like it's a bunch of like people in kind of
Speaker 1: different whimsical monster costumes. And I saw it and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is Josette. Well, that's why I love
Speaker 1: drags so much. I didn't know I would love drag
Speaker 1: so much until like I started really watching Drag Race
Speaker 1: and I saw that people were like being absolute freaks
Speaker 1: and it's an excuse to be your freakish self. I
Speaker 1: would love I would love to, I would do anything.
Speaker 1: I would do Bio drag and I would do obviously,
Speaker 1: I love to King King. You would do both? You
Speaker 1: would you wuld do King? And and and yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: your hand gestures are very like bio. I'm rocked today.
Speaker 1: I'm in the zone. Yeah, I guess me a few
Speaker 1: hours will be more upset in mask. Well, my favorite
Speaker 1: my favorite muppet is Miss Picky Cious when when she
Speaker 1: says how it's the funniest thing anyone could ever do.
Speaker 1: She is a diva. I mean, she's a gay icon.
Speaker 1: I do believe she's a gay woman. She's a gay woman.
Speaker 1: When she tells Michael Caine in Muppet Christmas Carold to
Speaker 1: leave at the end. She's so authoritative, she is in charge.
Speaker 1: And I will say, whenever the show gets foiled, I'm
Speaker 1: always upset. I'm always like, whenever, like the big show
Speaker 1: she's gonna put on, like gets destroyed by the idiot Muppets,
Speaker 1: I'm always like, why won't you let this moment perform?
Speaker 1: Like I also have a soft spot for um, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Waldorf and Statler, Statler and Waldorf, Like because
Speaker 1: there's a there's a moment in the street they're gay,
Speaker 1: there's a yeah, the old guys. And there's a moment
Speaker 1: in the Muppets three day attraction at Disney's Hollywood Studios
Speaker 1: where the show is ending and they go and this
Speaker 1: is what I loved about the Muppets, Like whenever it
Speaker 1: would break the fourth wall and be like self referential
Speaker 1: and stupid, I loved it. So whenever like they're like,
Speaker 1: we're to get out of here, and the other one goes,
Speaker 1: we can't go anywhere. We're bolted to the seats, just
Speaker 1: laughing about how their puppets and there in the theme park,
Speaker 1: like I think they are bolted to the seats. I
Speaker 1: remember leaving as a child of being like like like,
Speaker 1: it's like that gift of the woman with the numbers.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, Like they're aware of
Speaker 1: the fact that they're bolted to the seats, like Hi,
Speaker 1: this is like eggs high postmodern art, like this is yeah,
Speaker 1: it's and here's the top Muppet and then we'll do
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. It's Beaker down. Baker. He is.
Speaker 1: Baker is a dumb bottom. The Beaker just wants to help, yeah,
Speaker 1: but can't but can't do it. But he can. He
Speaker 1: communicates and emote so much with no words. It's it's
Speaker 1: so it's so iconic. I feel like Baker sometimes. I
Speaker 1: feel like you're the do. You're in the Bunson and
Speaker 1: I'm bigger. Bunsen is a legend. To Bunsen is a legend.
Speaker 1: I mean women, man and men in stem Men. We
Speaker 1: need men in stem It's throughly culture number ninety nine. Okay,
Speaker 1: well it is time to do I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: This is a sixty second segment that we do on
Speaker 1: this podcast weekly where we take exactly sixty seconds, as
Speaker 1: is the sort of you know what was said as
Speaker 1: is custom and we rail again something in culture that's
Speaker 1: just getting to us a little bit. We had to
Speaker 1: exercise demons about it. I do have something about I
Speaker 1: alluded to it amazing. Okay, this is amazing. Um, we
Speaker 1: know what it is. But I think we're still going
Speaker 1: to be blown away. This time starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, Honey, no popping the setlist of chromatic A Ball,
Speaker 1: because here's the thing, you have to at least nod
Speaker 1: to every era. I am famously one of Lady Gaga's
Speaker 1: fans who does not like just dance. For me personally,
Speaker 1: I think we've heard just dance enough. I think I
Speaker 1: would have loved to hear just something out of left field,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you're back on stage
Speaker 1: for a while. Just give us like Donna Tella, give
Speaker 1: us g u y, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: honestly think would fit in with the environment of the
Speaker 1: chromatic A Ball. I believe that Venus is sort of
Speaker 1: nearby Chromatica as a planet. I think that's just a
Speaker 1: hop skipping and jump away. I just feel that Applause
Speaker 1: is an underrated song, and I think people are ready
Speaker 1: to jump on Lady Gaga about applause because it wasn't
Speaker 1: born this way, which what does that even mean? Again?
Speaker 1: I would even rather applause why I understand, and almost
Speaker 1: I don't think the honey myself for saying that, because
Speaker 1: I understand the need to have born this way because
Speaker 1: it's sort of in the fabric of Lady Gaga d
Speaker 1: n A. But like I don't know, it's chromatica. It's
Speaker 1: a different planet. It's an alternate Lady Gaga. Maybe we
Speaker 1: have Donna Tella instead of all these other songs. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, I need appause. I know Lady
Speaker 1: Gaga forgot applause, but I need I mean our pop rather,
Speaker 1: I need our pop. That's one minute, you know, And
Speaker 1: I didn't realize she also doesn't have any Joanne in
Speaker 1: this that list, which is you know, I mean like
Speaker 1: maybe we should come on like you're you're going to
Speaker 1: do like an acoustic part and you're gonna do always
Speaker 1: remember this this way. I understand that, I like, always
Speaker 1: remember us this way. But maybe we could have had
Speaker 1: Griggio Girls there. Can you imagine like she's like Griggio
Speaker 1: Girls like with all her fans there after all these
Speaker 1: years screaming like, I just think there's some eraser of yes, Joanne,
Speaker 1: But really art pop and art pop was an important
Speaker 1: experimental CHROMATICA asked Era speaking of Sun Raw, Venus is
Speaker 1: sampling sun Raw like and and it's inspired by sun
Speaker 1: Raw Rock at number nine. It's she's she really did
Speaker 1: herself dirty on that one. I just feel like there
Speaker 1: was an opportunity there to have a little bit more
Speaker 1: art pop, especially in this like brutalist like sort of
Speaker 1: like I feel like the esthete beauld very much lend
Speaker 1: themselves to art pop. I love the fact that she's
Speaker 1: describing this that as brutalist. I love that it is brutalist.
Speaker 1: Brutalism is something that I love. We recently were what
Speaker 1: was that hotel? We were staying at um not not
Speaker 1: the Sole Psycle Equinox hotel, and then we described it
Speaker 1: as brutalist, and that really made me laugh. Brutalism is
Speaker 1: in I just I love describing things as brutalist, so harsh.
Speaker 1: We we love Venus Venus, come on hard do it
Speaker 1: what Lady Guga cover would Wuna do? Holy sh it?
Speaker 1: We would do probably something. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like stupid love is up our alleys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that kind of like Pulsey bass is very Moona vibes.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's hard. We should just say that.
Speaker 1: Um Joel sent us the demo for some time times
Speaker 1: for your covers. For sometimes we heard it in the car.
Speaker 1: I was in l A and we both like we
Speaker 1: were at um we were at the mall. We were
Speaker 1: leaving them all. We were leaving them. We were in
Speaker 1: the mall. We were in the mall. I will never
Speaker 1: forget that memory. You guys, like truly like stopped me
Speaker 1: in my tracks. I was like, this has and we
Speaker 1: talked about it. But wait, that you guys made the
Speaker 1: movie so much better. It's really cool that we have
Speaker 1: made something together. You know. It's so cool and like
Speaker 1: I think that you know, that's so beautiful, like being
Speaker 1: able to contribute a song like to this moment where
Speaker 1: y'all have already contributed like this raw emotion and then
Speaker 1: the song can just elevate that and like die people,
Speaker 1: you know, to this emotional climax. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: such a joy. We worked our little butts off to
Speaker 1: get so it was down to the dang of wire baby,
Speaker 1: but we was a lot, but it's so worth it
Speaker 1: every night and we prayed to trust. Um. I know
Speaker 1: people are upset that we cut the bridge. I know people,
Speaker 1: I have to acknowledge that because people are going to
Speaker 1: be hearing this. I know the bridge does not work
Speaker 1: for Muna. Sometimes the words are to kind of tweet
Speaker 1: for our like version. I think we really are very
Speaker 1: of the time. We did change the style of the
Speaker 1: song a lot. You know, Um, maybe we could have
Speaker 1: worked that out if on a different times it works
Speaker 1: not really in the O G version, the bridge is great.
Speaker 1: We love it. In the O G version, I just
Speaker 1: don't think it I don't know. For me, it didn't work.
Speaker 1: That was when pop music was a little bit more
Speaker 1: musical theater, you know what I mean. It was more
Speaker 1: like it was more like you know that, it was
Speaker 1: just it was more it just worked for Brittany in
Speaker 1: a way that was not going to work for this
Speaker 1: moment that we needed. Also, it's just like, you know
Speaker 1: it really it really feels like musically it would have
Speaker 1: gone to a totally different place and like changed the
Speaker 1: meaning whereas well, it's it's actually quite simple, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like like the lyrics are are
Speaker 1: they hold up without that in the Bridge, Yeah, singing
Speaker 1: like the lyrics, Yeah, I was likely. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've ever sang a song like this that's telling
Speaker 1: this specific story where it's like I am interested in you,
Speaker 1: but I like take time to open up and I'm
Speaker 1: like fragile and not necessarily available, but you have to
Speaker 1: believe that I can be. It was like, this is
Speaker 1: just so specific and special and really touching, Like I
Speaker 1: felt really emotional singing it. It is a specific, like
Speaker 1: per like point of view I guess hasn't really been
Speaker 1: represented in a lot of pop songs. It's a big Christian,
Speaker 1: it's a big Christian. It's a big Christian. It's just
Speaker 1: a bit but it's a bit avoidant to attachment style.
Speaker 1: The attachment style is not represented in pop songs. But
Speaker 1: we made some We made some compilation muna playlists of
Speaker 1: like different attachment styles. Who yeah, which I think it's funny.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, I love it. Well. I will
Speaker 1: say that anyone who's who's taking issue with the Bridge
Speaker 1: not being included, get over because we guess what, I
Speaker 1: sing the Bridge and the fucking movie and that'll do.
Speaker 1: That'll do just fine. Bowen ys version version Bowen's version. Okay,
Speaker 1: speaking of bones version, this is Bon's version of I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey today the one are you ready?
Speaker 1: Do you have thoughts and feelings? I have thoughts, I
Speaker 1: have thoughts and and I'm sorry. This episode has been
Speaker 1: all about siblinghood and sisterhood. I just I'm going to
Speaker 1: come after my sister Bowen, Yanks, I don't think many
Speaker 1: time shots now, I don't think so, honey. Matt Rodgers
Speaker 1: complimenting Ramona Singer in a restaurant this past weekend, saying
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan, and her going, oh, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. That's so sweet. Why would you validate someone
Speaker 1: like that? Why would you ever give a monstrous person
Speaker 1: such as remote Singer herself this kind of good vibe?
Speaker 1: She does not deserve it. She is a pit of despair.
Speaker 1: She is a black hole. The light will go nowhere
Speaker 1: you are. It is a bottomless container, Matt. It is there's, there's,
Speaker 1: There is no output for this. She will not convert
Speaker 1: that light into anything worthwhile into the world. Okay, she's
Speaker 1: a horrible person. I can't believe you said hello to her,
Speaker 1: that you were nice to her. I have lost a
Speaker 1: little bit of respect for you. I will you. You
Speaker 1: will gain it back. You will gain it back. I
Speaker 1: have no doubt you will gain it back. But in
Speaker 1: this moment, I have lost a little bit of respect
Speaker 1: for Matt Rod and I hate it when that happens.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. Sort of reminds me of the
Speaker 1: time that Donald Trump was leaving his afterparty for SNL
Speaker 1: and Bowen Yank said great show tonight, said complimented Donald
Speaker 1: Trump on his comedy. Um and then they've owned up
Speaker 1: to the of our time. If Unca Trump and said
Speaker 1: congratulations and patted his belly to signify congratulations on her pregnancy,
Speaker 1: I have owned up to this moment. It is the
Speaker 1: most shange moment to come after me first saying two
Speaker 1: words big band to Ramona Singer who I was shocked
Speaker 1: to see at a restaurant in sag Harbor, to even
Speaker 1: compare you are films. You're in yuppy Central. You wished
Speaker 1: you were in yuppy Central. Cheer out of my god,
Speaker 1: I'm in London. Cheer. Is it possible? Both of these
Speaker 1: situations are classic cases of dissociation in I think so
Speaker 1: I was. I was. Can I tell you guys, I
Speaker 1: was it was my birthday. I was this was it
Speaker 1: was Suty's first year at SNL, and I was just
Speaker 1: like happy to be there. I was wasted off my ass.
Speaker 1: And literally Trump walks by and I go great shown
Speaker 1: and then he goes, thank you. He looked him in
Speaker 1: the eyes and he said, Hey, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: tell you that I thought you weren't surprised me tonight
Speaker 1: the way that you embodied characters. I thought it was incredible.
Speaker 1: But I did voting for you. And this is the
Speaker 1: equivalent of me like telling Hitler like I love your paintings,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's shameful. I am, and I currently am.
Speaker 1: It's it's I've never believe you would set me up
Speaker 1: in such a way to to to to attack me
Speaker 1: for saying the words big fan to remote a singer.
Speaker 1: By the way, this reminds me I did want to
Speaker 1: do what I don't think so, Honey and Dorinda, who
Speaker 1: continues to destroy any good will that she had on
Speaker 1: The Real Health Spies Ultimate Girls Trip season two, It
Speaker 1: is so insane that bad. It's bad, alright, But I
Speaker 1: think we've we've both done dark things, as we all
Speaker 1: have as human beings. Let's move on order. No, we're
Speaker 1: going to swush it up because because because Naomi went
Speaker 1: first already, so now Joe is going to go first,
Speaker 1: going first, let's go. No, Nami was like saying that
Speaker 1: they wanted me to do this. In a way, it's like,
Speaker 1: should they when we pick what I'm going to talk about, Well,
Speaker 1: there's one, there's one I basically feel because of our
Speaker 1: conversation the other day, Which which which one is it? Okay,
Speaker 1: it was the one you feel, Jojo, do the one
Speaker 1: you feel. Do when you feel in your heart, on
Speaker 1: your heart, always do when you feel in your heart.
Speaker 1: That's the original culture number four in your heart. Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. I don't think so, honey, time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, motherfucking liars, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do. In hotel in New York City, to be
Speaker 1: told it is two queen beds. Were you telling and
Speaker 1: we were going in? I think we're gonna share a bed. No,
Speaker 1: these are two full fucking beds. Big gass and Naomi's
Speaker 1: big gass are gonna share a bed in a full
Speaker 1: bed and say yes, we like this. Then we go
Speaker 1: downstairs they say that no, this is a fucking queen bed. No,
Speaker 1: it isn't. We're getting a tape measurer and we're using
Speaker 1: this bed and let me just tell you every situation
Speaker 1: that you're gonna come in here and tell me something
Speaker 1: is the way that it is and it's a fucking lie.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I don't fucking think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I actually can. I can end there in a way.
Speaker 1: I could end there, and I will come with you.
Speaker 1: I will come for you, especially when you get the
Speaker 1: tape measure out. Jesus. It was Joe's pacing back and
Speaker 1: forth in our hotel like we're going to get a
Speaker 1: tape measure in here. These are not queen beds. I
Speaker 1: can't stand it with people wide to me. I don't
Speaker 1: want to. I want my money back. I want my
Speaker 1: money back. You're gonna do a little. It's a difference
Speaker 1: in the price, like the double, and we're sharing beds
Speaker 1: like that is a real thing. We do share beds
Speaker 1: when we're in hotels, but we're not we're not too
Speaker 1: bougie for that. At this point. We are sharing beds
Speaker 1: in hotel room said they worst, the worst, the worst,
Speaker 1: shared the fool with you, Joe Dooe I don't want
Speaker 1: to I love you, I don't want to know. I'm cool.
Speaker 1: I'm cool and a queen. I don't even want to
Speaker 1: share a full with my girlfriend. I want enough room
Speaker 1: to be able to exhale and inhale your inside saying this,
Speaker 1: and yet you put a dog bigger than a human
Speaker 1: in your in your bed with you and your girlfriend.
Speaker 1: That's different. That's different. Just started agree bone, It is different.
Speaker 1: And Katie, dare come for me right now to just
Speaker 1: makes me want to put you on the spot. Are
Speaker 1: you ready, Katie? Oh goodness, yeah, so serious. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: truly a huge left turn. Okay, this is Katies. I
Speaker 1: don't think so of your time starts now. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Babies having only two parents parents
Speaker 1: to have Humans have been around for thousands and thousands
Speaker 1: of years been raising babies. And do we have any
Speaker 1: examples from this time where two parents was enough to
Speaker 1: do the job to raise a baby? Do we have
Speaker 1: examples of this? Specifically? There's something toxic in the in
Speaker 1: the culture that we're growing up in now where we're
Speaker 1: in the nuclear families were isolated in our little homes.
Speaker 1: Uh and more and more is falling on the two people.
Speaker 1: I would like to say that, uh, really, there shouldn't
Speaker 1: be babies that have any less than I would say
Speaker 1: eight parents. I think maybe one eighth of the responsibility
Speaker 1: for raising a child is the appropriate amount of responsibility
Speaker 1: where we have a chance of actually doing it right.
Speaker 1: I don't think so incredible. Now I want to ask
Speaker 1: the question to Joe, which is, Joe, do you support
Speaker 1: Polly Amory when it comes to raising co parenting a child? Well,
Speaker 1: what is the relationship between me and the other parents?
Speaker 1: Like it's the parents are sucking every day and it's
Speaker 1: not compulsory and then obvious if it's messy, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: If it as traumatizing as possible for someone to exist
Speaker 1: right now, Well, if you're giving me this scenario, I'm
Speaker 1: really this is a long term scheme. I mean to
Speaker 1: get involved in when they're raising babies and I have
Speaker 1: to say, I am not having a baby. You have
Speaker 1: the baby bit you might have, Well, I will if
Speaker 1: you'll raise it with me. How about I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know. They're really wracked up about this one. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not ready. You have to get you
Speaker 1: have to get eight people on board on the same
Speaker 1: like a like a damn a literal parentage here parent
Speaker 1: teager conference. Do I think eight is too much? I
Speaker 1: feel what do you think it is? The perple number?
Speaker 1: I can't get along with eight other seven other people, four, six,
Speaker 1: six partners six. I would do. Six is good. You know,
Speaker 1: Matt and I were Matt and I were an improv
Speaker 1: We're in comedy groups with eight people and it felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, the work was our baby and it worked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and never once well be all on the same page.
Speaker 1: That's that's like group. I'm against. Group might mean I don't.
Speaker 1: I feel like it could get really complicated. Sure, okay, Katie,
Speaker 1: here's here's what I think everyone has been dying into
Speaker 1: what I think. So okay, raising a baby, sure, eight people?
Speaker 1: Why not you pass it around? Everything that you need
Speaker 1: to do with the baby is pretty simple. It's like
Speaker 1: keep it alive, like and keep it mus. But when
Speaker 1: you're starting to talk about whether or not the kids
Speaker 1: should maybe someone is going to be like, I think
Speaker 1: this kid should be homeschooled. I think the kids should
Speaker 1: go to this school. You're talking about preschools, especially in
Speaker 1: l A. It's gonna get real messy, real no one's
Speaker 1: gonna agree. Have you ever heard of of anarchy? Were
Speaker 1: heard of group decision making? But his kid's gonna be
Speaker 1: fucked up? Is going to have a very diversified Why
Speaker 1: can't you just have the baby and I'll help you
Speaker 1: out sometimes, you know what I mean? Like Better said,
Speaker 1: it's called babysitters, hon It's called babysitters Club, And there
Speaker 1: was a whole TV show about it. Google all right, Naomi,
Speaker 1: are you ready? Yeah? It go off? All right. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Their time starts now, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. The birds that sing at night.
Speaker 1: There is a tree close to my girlfriend's house, and
Speaker 1: I have deduced that one of these tiny little birds
Speaker 1: lives in that tree. These birds are very accomplished mimics.
Speaker 1: They have a full repertoire of car alarms sounds here
Speaker 1: all day and they're they're there. They're rehearsing for I'm
Speaker 1: assuming a mate, oh night long, from four in the
Speaker 1: morning maybe until eight. And this used to only be
Speaker 1: happening in the spring. You can give them a pass
Speaker 1: for the spring. Their time. They're trying to find a partner.
Speaker 1: I get it. If you're singing all night, six months
Speaker 1: out of the year. I have a huge problem with
Speaker 1: that is very shrill. It's all the different car alarms
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. We've all heard him. You know him.
Speaker 1: You hate them the birds to sing at night. I
Speaker 1: don't think so. Honey. First, I'm sorry, I have I
Speaker 1: have What if you were that horny? Like, what if
Speaker 1: you were so I've been that horny. I'm not a
Speaker 1: maybe you were screaming around. Well, the birds there, there are,
Speaker 1: they're rehearsing there. Let me let me tell you they're
Speaker 1: actually they're actually artists. And number one, you are Actually
Speaker 1: there are no different every night, six months out of
Speaker 1: the year. They belong in Vegas, not outside of Naomi's
Speaker 1: girlfriend's house. No, I've had enough. I've had enough. I
Speaker 1: think the issue is actually goes back to the first
Speaker 1: thing that we talked about. It's like, we need more
Speaker 1: queer representation, and you are you saying this perfect the
Speaker 1: bird is que Well, if it's outside, if it's if
Speaker 1: it's singing outside of your window and echo park I
Speaker 1: would say, he just needs to perform like it's in
Speaker 1: his body. Yeah, I mean, maybe I am being a
Speaker 1: bit queer phobic. It's quear. For the birds to know
Speaker 1: the car alarm and for you to shout them down
Speaker 1: in such a way is in word of queer phobic,
Speaker 1: speaking of speaking of singing and vocalizing. When Katie came
Speaker 1: to my Christmas show, she said something that shook me
Speaker 1: to my absolute core. And it's something that came for
Speaker 1: me and I know what it is. Believe have perfect pitch. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll say this. There were a few episodes that I've
Speaker 1: listened to back to back were you were singing the
Speaker 1: song that you were referencing exactly in the key than
Speaker 1: it is in So I have to think as a
Speaker 1: person who has this affliction, this disease, it's like disease.
Speaker 1: It's very hard. It's really hard to have to have
Speaker 1: perfect pitch. It's really hard. So I listened to those
Speaker 1: two episodes and I thought that you had perfect pitch.
Speaker 1: I I don't. I think you have very good relative
Speaker 1: pitch because I know I don't have perfect pitch. And
Speaker 1: you know who constantly yells at me about quote unquote
Speaker 1: changing the keys is Melan Yang. I'm not changing the keys,
Speaker 1: ef you do it all this time. I do not
Speaker 1: roll the tape, roll the tape roll the tape. You
Speaker 1: could sing a see like if you if you don't, yeah,
Speaker 1: okay you can't. You're pretty close. Yeah, you're pretty close.
Speaker 1: Dammy singing a. Katie just played I just roll rule
Speaker 1: the tape. Okay, play baby? Yeah? Finished the aft in
Speaker 1: a quick local box guy. Yeah no, but the grew
Speaker 1: note is a yeah, which is different. That's the five
Speaker 1: of A. So you're doing amazing race when you know
Speaker 1: the key. I hear everything in soulf edge. Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: what is it? God? I used to think that soul
Speaker 1: fedge was just the note. I was like, dough is
Speaker 1: just another word for see. Well, that's what you're moving
Speaker 1: it around, and I'm like, that's not dough. Actually no, no. Well,
Speaker 1: as we sort of tumble into musical talk, we will
Speaker 1: tell all the readers out there that if you haven't
Speaker 1: streamed Muna's new album Muna, you're an absolute fool flop.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous that you're even listening to this. It's like,
Speaker 1: are you you have to listen to Luna literally right now, um,
Speaker 1: best band in the universe, our faves. We literally have
Speaker 1: looked forward to this for such a long time. We
Speaker 1: love you, love you so much. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming on. Thank you so freaking much. We talked
Speaker 1: about the Muppets. We established who has perfect pitch and
Speaker 1: who has relative pitch. We established so much. We talked
Speaker 1: to musical theater as a young guns. We went into it.
Speaker 1: We got through it. We fucking baby friendship in ordered it,
Speaker 1: fucked it. We've talked about friendship. Yeah, we got pretty deep.
Speaker 1: We got pretty We got a perfect episode. I would
Speaker 1: say a perfect episode. And we end every episode where
Speaker 1: the song on the kind of girl think, Wow, the chicks,
Speaker 1: it's giving the chicks. It's the teen them. Oh end
Speaker 1: of the month. I'm jealous. I told them hang out soon.
Speaker 1: I know. We really we really literally a yeah, my readers,