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Speaker 1: you go to a new Trier I did? Wow, you

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00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: know new Trier kids? I know new Trier kids. Back

422
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: Bennett is a famous new Trier kid. Oh yeah, yeah,

423
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: new Tree kids? Are they have? They fucked? Yeah? It

424
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: was a crazy growing up experience. It's such an insane

425
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: environment for so many What is it for people that

426
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: don't know? Um? The North Shore is a cluster of

427
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: I would say high wealth communities and New Trier is

428
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: an extremely well fun did public school with a super

429
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: competitive environment that some people flourishing and some people find

430
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: super toxic. I didn't want to put that out there,

431
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: but this is what I have heard as well from

432
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: people who have gone. Yeah, I mean I don't think

433
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 1: I've ever worked as hard as I did in high school.

434
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: So that's so crazy crazy I couldn't have worked hard,

435
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: And I identify with that though, Like sometimes I do

436
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: think about, like how I don't think I ever worked

437
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: as hard in high school just trying to because do

438
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: you ever think about how like in high school you

439
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: really have to do all this stupid ship like you

440
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: really have to do math, you really have to do science,

441
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: you really have to do like all this stuff that

442
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: you couldn't be less interested, Like I had to take

443
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: tech like me in tech, like women in tech like me,

444
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: sort of just like like sure like Maglevay like like whatever,

445
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: magnet levitation, Wow, apparently still there, just like and and

446
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: therefore because you have to do I don't know, like

447
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't know how you got, how you all feel.

448
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: But just it's like when you're in high school, and

449
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: it's that mentality of like, well, you gotta get into

450
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: a good college or you're got to get into you

451
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: have to get into a good situation. It's like your

452
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: g p A has to be high, you have to

453
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: take these ap classes, you have to do ib whatever,

454
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: and so you end up working your fucking ass off,

455
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: and because it's stuff that you're not interested in, it

456
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: feels harder, you know what I mean? Like I never

457
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: like being an a p euro and like Franz ferdinanding

458
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: my ass off and being like where is this going

459
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: to go in my life? Like should I be like

460
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: on the stage cutting my teeth? But you know, did

461
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: you start did you feel like you started learning after

462
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: like your formal education? Yes, yes I would. I would

463
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: almost be and maybe maybe y'all think the same, but

464
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: I would be more useful and college would be more

465
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: useful to me now that I actually know what my

466
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: interests are. Yes, like and because back then it was

467
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: just like, oh I guess, yeah, if I have to

468
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: a history of course, like I guess it will be

469
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: World War two And then I'm sitting there like I

470
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: could not being able to care less, you know sure,

471
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: I mean I would be very into that class. I

472
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: would have the after Yeah, I think I think like

473
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: I think I sort of I miss like I miss

474
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: a learning environment. I miss a structured learning environment now

475
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: because I feel like I am not capable of holding

476
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: myself accountable. I mean while living this life, I get it.

477
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't think I can hold myself accountable to actually

478
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: retain information and to learn. Um, I think it is

479
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: impossible to penetrate the the learning area of my lobe.

480
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: So I do long for school now. And I did

481
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: find it to be a prison then, but I also

482
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: liked it to kind of it was. It was a

483
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: confusing time. Yeah, what was the academic vibe of USC

484
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: while you guys were there for school at all? I

485
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: hated crazy, like coming up an environment where like I

486
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: had to do so much homework every night, um, and

487
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: was accountable to it. And then going to SC and

488
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: realizing like we had to take general education classes and

489
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: just being in a lecture hall and realizing like truly

490
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: nobody read anything you was caring and it doesn't matter.

491
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: You're like, this is really bizarre, Like yeah, yeah, it

492
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: just made me think the educational system was a bit broken,

493
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: like because it's again it's an expensive school. It's like

494
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: people are paying for the experience of just going to

495
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: college maybe more than learning the first experience. I was

496
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: also gonna say, I feel like in college, that situation,

497
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, sort of being the standard allowed for people

498
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: like Katie and myself to be teachers, little stars, to

499
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: be like you. I feel like you would be looking around,

500
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: no one would have read, and you'd be looking around

501
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: like this. You disgusted me, like, how dare you not

502
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: take this features time seriously? Because it would be like

503
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: classes about I don't know, like actually important stuff about,

504
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, like race in America, and everyone's like on

505
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: their phones sucking off. So I feel like we were

506
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: we were sort of looking around with a lot of

507
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: judgment at all of the other students at the school,

508
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: like how dare you guys sort of squander your education

509
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: at this point? Um, I was there on scholarship, so

510
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: I thought I was just like happy to be able

511
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: to go to school and not be like too scared

512
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: about my future. But I also found it to be easy.

513
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: I think it was the bar was the bar was

514
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: an athletic floor, if you know what I mean. Yeah,

515
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: I mean I want you, And I thought it was

516
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: easier than high school, like, but I was in I

517
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: was in titiontion, so it was like an like an

518
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: arts focused thing. And so maybe it's because I actually

519
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: was enjoying it more. Actually was interested in learning how

520
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: to write sitcoms. I was interested in, like you know,

521
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: creating work for myself. And etcetera. But I would imagine

522
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: Bowen's college experience was more difficult than high school. I saw,

523
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: like the I saw both sides of it where it

524
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: was people like half my classes were people didn't give

525
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: a ship and didn't do the reading, and then the

526
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: other half of my classes where people really gave a ship,

527
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: and it was like these premad kids, and these kids

528
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: were like, oh no, I'm going to Oh no, no,

529
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to this school, you know, like and and

530
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: it just reminded me of that horrible period in high

531
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: school that I thought I had left behind. But if

532
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: you go into medicine like that's or academia or science

533
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: like that mentality just follows you your entire life or

534
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: your entire career. And that is really sad to me.

535
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know that you were pre met. That's

536
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: so fascinating. It's it's it's weird. But I feel like

537
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: I feel like it got my like competitiveness like out

538
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: of my system because I don't think I'm that competitive

539
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: now and I have not been for a long time.

540
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: Do you guys, do you guys identify collectively or individually?

541
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: Is like competitive people only only when we're playing sports?

542
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: Which I don't allow myself to do very often because

543
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: I get like I turned into a monster. I try

544
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: to keep it. I try to keep it on the couch. Great.

545
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: I will say, first of all, I want to say

546
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: that UM, apart from our general ed classes at USC,

547
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: Joe and I were in a music program there and

548
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: it was like, UM, a different environment where like some

549
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: people were super plug in UM. But I think even

550
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: in that environment, like in terms of being competitive, I think, uh,

551
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: that program taught me a lot about UM. If you're

552
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: in the field that we are in, UM, like singularity

553
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: is one of the most important things that you can

554
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: hear to the table, So it's like, do you have

555
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: something to say that has to do with you and

556
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 1: your story? And it's kind of irrelevant to competition, UM

557
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: but I but I would also say that being in

558
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: an environment where I was around other artists who were

559
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: doing stuff that I thought was interesting, was helpful. It

560
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: was motivating, And I think now we're very lucky to

561
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: have a community of people around us who are musicians

562
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: or comedians or writers who are you know, like living

563
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: their dreams and doing cool ship because it it motivates

564
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: you to do the same. Yeah, And you can thing.

565
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, you can just be stoked

566
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: for people's winds, Like it's so nice to be like

567
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: surrounded by people who when they succeed, you just like

568
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: you're so happy for them. I don't know, I feel like, yeah,

569
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: we've sort of left the competitive stuff in in the

570
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: dust and we just we just want people to do

571
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: well and be happy. And you know, we used to

572
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: have this thing called kuyashi. It's a it's a word

573
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: that means um like being motivated by anger or like

574
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: motivated by the desire to prove somebody wrong. And I

575
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: think that there is a part of your experience as

576
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: queer people are people of marginalized genders where we feel

577
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: like we can be underestimated at times, and so I

578
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: think we also have definitely been motivated by like I'm

579
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: gonna show you type of situation. Maybe that's not competition though,

580
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: but I think that's just like ven yes, vengeance, We've

581
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: we're just very lucky. Yeah, that's a really interesting way

582
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: to put it, Like singularity makes you irrelevant to competition,

583
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean that that is if you

584
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: really just focus on who you are and focus on

585
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: what it is you're trying to say, like it will

586
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: become specific enough where you're not actually going to compete

587
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: with anyone else, and then you can release that thing

588
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: of you know, looking over your shoulder, because that, I

589
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: think is the big trap like when you're developing, is

590
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: you and especially for queer people, I mean, let's just

591
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: be real, like you, there just doesn't seem like there's

592
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: a spot for everyone, And they also kind of tell

593
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: you that, like and because they they they meaning capital

594
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: t like the industry, I think like they don't they

595
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: they're not like creative enough to make all these spaces

596
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: initially anyway, So it is on you and it is

597
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: on us to like hone in on ourselves so that

598
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: like they can't help but make a space for us,

599
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so that I think

600
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: is it feels like there was like an awakening, like

601
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it was like ten years ago

602
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: or whatever that's like allowed what's happening now to be true,

603
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: which is that there there is so much for everyone,

604
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously like there's there's so many platforms

605
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: and like everything is so much bigger now. But I

606
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: also think it does have to do with a collective

607
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: waking up and this realization that like you lean into

608
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: what's special about you, not trying to imitate or mimic

609
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: what they are doing or what she's doing or he's doing,

610
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: because it's just never gonna seem right on you, you

611
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then then then even if

612
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: you are successful at duplicating that, it won't last, yeah, totally.

613
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: And and just like just not putting other people's expectations

614
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: of what you should be or what you can do

615
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: onto yourself or trying to not do that, because I

616
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: think that can like it's an easy trap to to

617
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: fall into, um, and it's very difficult to shed it.

618
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's hard out here. We try

619
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: to give our solves a lot of grace, and I

620
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: think we have been like very patient in an industry

621
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: that is not very patient. Um. But we've had patience

622
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: for ourselves and like for what we're trying to get at,

623
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: and allowing ourselves to like sort of grow publicly. I

624
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: think is maybe, I don't know, a little bit counterintuitive

625
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: for the music industry at large. I think like most

626
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: people kind of expect you to, like when you hit

627
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: the scene, to be fully formed, like at this point

628
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: because artist development just doesn't exist. So yeah, I think

629
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: we've we've had to you know, we've had to just

630
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: like force ourselves to be patient with ourselves and continuing

631
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: to do so. I think just in yeah, well, that's

632
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: that's I mean, I feel like that's the thing to

633
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: unlock and that's like, um, the heck. Maybe. But also

634
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: it's interesting you say that because I was going to say,

635
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: maybe we're in this place now where we're not competitive

636
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: with each other as queer people are queer like people

637
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: who make things, but it's that we are still in

638
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: opposition to like the industry or people who like or

639
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: the middle management of the industry where people the suits,

640
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: where people make decisions on your behalf, where they you know,

641
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: like we don't have to talk about our c A

642
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: or anything. But it's like it feels like that was

643
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: this thing where you you guys had to sort of

644
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: survive outside of this system that like abandoned you and

645
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: then and then like you know, that's that's like the

646
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: struggle now. I think for a lot of people it's

647
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: always been the struggle, but I think now it's sort

648
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: of at least I don't feel that kind of competitive

649
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: Caddy spirit among other career comedians at least, it is

650
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: the only thing that like makes us nervous or gives

651
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: us anxiety is that there is this concept of like,

652
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: oh gosh, the industry is not creative, creative enough to

653
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: make space for all of us, you know that makes sense.

654
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: I would just say that our like we were so

655
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: lucky with who we did work with. I think it's

656
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: just like I think this applies to like so much

657
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: art that is maybe like left of center. That's just

658
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: like they just didn't know what to do with it.

659
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: More than anything, they just didn't know how to work

660
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: with us. And I also just don't think like we

661
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: were really ready to be worked with to a certain

662
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: like I don't think we were ready, you know, just

663
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: some extent. I do agree that it's like every step

664
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: that we have taken has led us to this point,

665
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: and we've really had the opportunity to grow as like musicians,

666
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: as people to like handle. Like I even think about

667
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: when we did the video and like right after that

668
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: we flew to New York to do t V. It's

669
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: like that was some of the most stressful ship that

670
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: we have ever had to deal with, and like we

671
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: did it, and I went fine, but you talked to

672
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: Muna like around about you and like, if that should happened,

673
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: we would have all been like it would just could

674
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: have been the worst we've we've really gotten the opportunity to,

675
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: you know, become who we are at this point. But

676
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: I hope that's not the work. The work reflects well

677
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: on you guys. Now. Even I was listening to the

678
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: old to the old stuff, and I was like, the

679
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: old quote unquote l L, it's like not that old.

680
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, but this this still heads

681
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: like it's still like part of that same sonic universe

682
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: that is. And I that's interesting that you say that

683
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: though that you weren't that you didn't feel ready to

684
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: be handled. I think there's also an element of like

685
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: sorry to interrupt, you don't let you continue. But I

686
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: think there was also an element of like, despite the

687
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: people that we worked with being lovely and believing in

688
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: the music and and us so much like there is

689
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: a structural hierarchy in a building like that where if

690
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: it's not working on its own, it's not working, you

691
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like this this perspective of like

692
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: if it's not selling itself, then we don't know what

693
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: to do with it, and that kind of puts you

694
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: in a weird position where you end up like gaslighting

695
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: yourself about the quality of the art that you're making,

696
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: and it is. It can be a head fuck. So

697
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: I think there was there. I think we had like

698
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: a detectiveness about the way that we I don't know,

699
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: the way the way that we behaved and presented ourselves.

700
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: I think like drew attention to the fact that like

701
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: we did not feel uh safe outside of the bounds

702
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: of like the three of us at a certain point,

703
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: like I think we feel very protective of each other

704
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: and of the art, and like we don't we don't

705
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: want to compromise that, and I think we were maybe

706
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: a bit I struggle with this just generally as a person,

707
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 1: but I think we did have like a hyper vigilance

708
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: of like you know, maybe sort of an outsized idea

709
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: of like what threats were there and what was a

710
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: threat and like, you know, I don't know if that

711
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: makes sense. That's very like ramboly, but yeah, I think

712
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: that's just the thing about like when you're art is intimate,

713
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: and also like, yes, you just don't want someone to

714
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: take the we just didn't want to be misunderstood. And

715
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: also just like you hear so many story whereas like

716
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: we were so lucky that we did have each other,

717
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: Like we were never really put into a situation where

718
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: we did feel super unsafe, but you can just so

719
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: easily see how that as like part of this industry

720
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: is such a standard and thank God we've always had

721
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: each other. And like I don't think I would want

722
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: to do this if I was not like with them.

723
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: It's just it's just sucking hard, Like it's so hard

724
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: to I don't know the people who do it on

725
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: their own. I'm like, God, be with you have boundaries

726
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: when you don't have other people being like is this weird?

727
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: Or like you know when to check in with? I mean,

728
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: like I don't know if you guys read Mariah Carrey's book,

729
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: but that was insane, like like the amount like she

730
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: basically was like in servitude for for for for like

731
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: a decade to her husband who ran her label. I

732
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: mean it was like she's basically trapped in her home

733
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: Like um yeah, I mean, like it's kind of a

734
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: horror story to read the book, Like when when you

735
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: realize just and then when she ends the decade, the

736
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: first decade of her career like incomplete exhaustion and as

737
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: like a joke with the whole glitter thing. It's like,

738
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: you know, that's just a really interesting but I had

739
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: never thought about how even just having one or two

740
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: other people in the room with you in the same

741
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: position can be a huge life raft because the solo artists,

742
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: I mean, who from the early nineties is like okay,

743
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: now you know what I mean, like you're crazy, or

744
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: even even more recently, like it seems like like you

745
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: really need those people that are there on your side

746
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: to tell you like hey, like I'm here for you,

747
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: and you know it's it's it's it can or it

748
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: can really become like a dark situation. I didn't read

749
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 1: the Mariah Carry book, but I read Um Jessica Simpsons book.

750
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah it audible, yeah, shout out, and podcasts are reading.

751
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: I've been saying this podcast all reading. But it was

752
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,479
Speaker 1: really wild to hear about what she had to go through,

753
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: like physically and emotionally um and the way she was

754
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: talked to also why her label and she also kind

755
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: of framed like her relationship with Nick Lache. Part of

756
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: what drew her to him was that he was the

757
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: first person that told her that she could have some

758
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: type of boundary um in her professional life and like

759
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: that he kind of guided her of like this is

760
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: you know what you should be like paid for something

761
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: like this and um but but there's a there's another

762
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: piece to that as well, because this was a older

763
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: man that she like dating and then like you know

764
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: the yeah who was in a band and it's like

765
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: the feeling of what that might do to somebody, um

766
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: that you can't like figure that out on your own

767
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: and you rely on this older guy to kind of

768
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: guide you. And I've always felt really really grateful with

769
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: Naomi and Joe, like we all have our own um

770
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: like superpowers, but I feel like Joe and Naomi are

771
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: really good um at vibe checks, like I know with people,

772
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: like they have good gut instincts. I think perhaps I

773
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: had uh that instincts at some point in my life.

774
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: I the trauma takes it away. I've had to do

775
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: a lot so like try and recover that or like

776
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: I have kind of like latent instincts and um or

777
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: I gaslight myself phones raising their hands. But no, no, no no,

778
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no no, keep doing I'm just I'm not

779
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: neverrupting you, sorry, but it's like it's really, um, it's

780
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: been so huge for me because I trust them, like,

781
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: and it's also like we are um these equals like

782
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: with UM these parts of our identities that are shared.

783
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't know, it just feels more

784
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: empowering to like that you're navigating this with a group

785
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: of friends, UM. And yeah, they've helped me a lot

786
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: with with that. I wonder if part of and I

787
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: want to hear what you're going to say, bon but

788
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: I wonder just like to pose it to just drop

789
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: a little a little question into what you're saying, Katie.

790
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's because me and Joe have like

791
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: mask privilege, like and you, as a more fem person

792
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: like didn't feel like you had access to to that

793
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: in the same way like I find that people treat

794
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: me differently than they treat you or like someone more feminine,

795
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: like do you know what I'm saying wild, I would

796
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: just also say that you and I are introverts and

797
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: Katie isn't next and so like we I have such

798
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: different like that's why I relate to point to Naomi

799
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: in this great Naho But That's why it's like Naomi

800
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: and I will sometimes be a party. You're better than

801
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: than we've been. I am sorry about what it's like. Well, uh,

802
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: them and I will like will be like standing next

803
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: to each other being like ha ha, like we can

804
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: talk to people, and like Katie's like out and about

805
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: like able to connect with anyone. And I think it's

806
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: just harder for us to connect with people, which maybe

807
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: makes it a little bit of a vibe check seeing

808
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: it from the outside. I mean, like we talked about earlier,

809
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: it's like when when you're when you are literally like

810
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: observing something, you see it very clearly. Sometimes Yeah, but

811
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: I think there's that that little force diagram between the

812
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: three of you, as I think perfect where if if

813
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: if Naomi and Joe are introverted, then they can be

814
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: the ones that both of them can be the ones

815
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: to pull Katie and be like, hey, what's the deal

816
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: or that they have something instinctually there because I feel

817
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: the exact same way, not to like look it back

818
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: to me and Matt, but I feel this way about Matt,

819
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,959
Speaker 1: and I also identify with Katie and that I feel

820
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: like trauma has taken away my instincts of the time,

821
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 1: and I do need someone to be like Matt almost

822
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: every other day is like, hey, what's going on? I

823
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: think something is a miss here or this is good,

824
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, Like I think either way, Matt has been

825
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: the person to like Keen well the traumas, the learned behavior, yeah,

826
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: I think so. And like yeah, like we like all

827
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: of us go back to college with each other, you know,

828
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: or among our among our friends. It's also about knowing

829
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: each other period. I mean, like it's it's literally it's

830
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: sometimes it's less about this person is this and I

831
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: see it clearly and more about I understand how my

832
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: friend is feeling, you know what I mean. Like it's

833
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: like if if Bone is ever dealing with someone, and

834
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean I literally know how Bone feels about someone.

835
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: But but and like they might not know, but I know,

836
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's like it's like

837
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 1: like we deal with certain people and I just know

838
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: Bonen is either not comfortable or not about the vibe

839
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: or etcetera. And like I feel like it doesn't even

840
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 1: need to be said. Really, it's just like so now

841
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: I know in the next interaction, it's like, oh, to someone,

842
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: probably that we're not going to hang out with, like

843
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: for more than five minutes, you know what I mean,

844
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: or like going to be someone we involved in the

845
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: next thing or whatever. Just because you pick up on

846
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: when you marinate in someone else's energy for as long

847
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: as we all have, I mean you you also pick

848
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: that up. What are the signs in the chat? What? What? What? What?

849
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: What are we giving? Bring it back? Um? We we

850
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: we all? So I'll start by saying, we don't know much,

851
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: but we know our big three. We don't know what

852
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: everything means, but we know enough about each other's to

853
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: that it all kind of makes sense. Katie and are

854
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: both Capricorns, Okay, Joe's a Pisces mm hmmm, uh, Katie

855
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: is rising Gemini Pisces moon makes sense. Joe is tourist rizing,

856
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: which is what I am as well. And Joe, you

857
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: have a Virgo moon which makes sense, and I have

858
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: a I'm tourist rizing Gemini moon, which just sucked. But

859
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: Gemini moon here, and everyone's like, everyone's like, I don't know,

860
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: but it is hard. It's hard because you are but

861
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: it's not that you're in conflict with yourself or that

862
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: you have like multiple personalities or whatever. The fun. It

863
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: means that you can in take something and see the

864
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: balance for what it is. You can see one perspective,

865
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: you can see another. That's all it is. That's that's

866
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: what I'm convinced it is. Yeah, I totally agree with that.

867
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: I want to I want to talk to you more

868
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: about that because maybe you know a little bit more

869
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: than I do, but barely. Well. We were not astrology

870
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: people at the beginning of this podcast, and then it

871
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: just starts to make so much more sense. Like, for example,

872
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: one as a Scorpio, I'm a Pisces. I'm a rising

873
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: Pisces cancer moon, so I'm like, oh yeah, and I'm

874
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: also an extrovert, which makes me like really vulnerable. But

875
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: I think that, you know what's interesting, Like I have

876
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 1: very close relationships with Capricorns. In fact, my my ex

877
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: boyfriend Henry, who's my musical director of my show Katie

878
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: that you came to, he's a Capricorn, and I feel

879
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: that it's a good creative relationship. I loved that so

880
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: much because I love seeing x Is perform on stage together.

881
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. Y'all all dated each other?

882
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: What the hell were currently dating? We wish but mask

883
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: mask love before we get into culture. Culture was for me, etcetera.

884
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: What's the what is the actual like relationship history here,

885
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: what's that Me and Katie dated, Katie introduced me to Joe.

886
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: We started the band. Katie and I being the capricorns

887
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: that we are, let the work overtake our lives and

888
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: it became everything to us, like the band. And then

889
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: we dated for like three years and we and then

890
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: we brought us right after we got signed. But they're lesbian.

891
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: Just think about it, but it's almost yeah, it's nothing, yeah,

892
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: but yeah, and then we figured it out. We went

893
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: to therapy together. We and were bad at each other

894
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: for a while and then we went to therapy and

895
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: then we bonded over not liking our therapist and thinking

896
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: that she was dumb. The three of us went to

897
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: therapy too. There's band therapy, r you went. They went

898
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: to therapy, the two of them, because I was like,

899
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: I can't do this unless you go to therapy. It

900
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: was it was a bad little while. Later on the

901
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: three of us went to band therapy, and we also

902
00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: hated our therapist. Yeah, and that's why check in with

903
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: each other about that too. That high. Yeah, it doesn't real.

904
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: It's pretty toxic to like consistently discard your therapist opinions.

905
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: But we all have our own therapists that we like.

906
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: I think when we show up as a group, I

907
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: think we're being very well behaved today. But I think

908
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: sometimes we can we can come on really strong and

909
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: real cuckoo and like a lot of intense energy. Is

910
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: probably hard for a therapist to get a word in

911
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: edgewise one and to like read the vibe. I think

912
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: it's they also write their own narrative when it's like

913
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: I think, as opposed to like a couple, it's like

914
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: it's just like too many, to be honest, It's like

915
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: three people shouldn't be going to therapy together. How could you?

916
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: How could you actually? Well, oh my god, I want

917
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: I want to get to but but the last thing

918
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: I want to say. I have one more thing to say,

919
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: which is that it the thing that's stuck out to

920
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: me in one of your profiles. I think it's the

921
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: New York Times one was, um, they were clocking on

922
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: the three of you. I think it was after Jimmy

923
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: fallon or something, or after some TV appearance, like all

924
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: three of you like checked in with each other in

925
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: such a caring way that the driver had to stop

926
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: and be like, I'm sorry. And all my years of driving,

927
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: I've never I've never seen people be so kind to

928
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: each other. That was the best night of our lives.

929
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: That we're like, we're just so we're the thing that

930
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: is so unique about our experiences, Like we're just so

931
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: fucking close. And also the fact that we're a banned

932
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: It's like no one is going through this experience but

933
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: the three of us that our experiences are so tied

934
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: to each other, and I think it's just created like

935
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: hyper intimacy. Sorry my dog, she's going, but it's just

936
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: pretty hyper intimacy to the point where it's like when

937
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: we're on tour, like when we're not in a bus,

938
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: like the three of us share a room, like we're

939
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: just so close and I think, I don't know they're

940
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: the only people. It's like if I'm gonna if someone's

941
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: telling me a secret, it's like, who am I telling

942
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: that secret to? Someone's telling me that secret? They know

943
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: that I'm spilling the tea? Only them, And it's just

944
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: like I don't know two connected to connected. But that's

945
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: okay because I think the theme in the musicians we've

946
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: had on the show, on the podcast has been it's

947
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: so hard to navigate this, And I didn't realize that

948
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: the solitude of it all was like a huge component

949
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: of it, and and that like the three of you

950
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: being so close, I think is just so so powerful anyway,

951
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: That's all I want to say. Sometimes, like some of

952
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: the solo artists that we found on, like we had

953
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: Marion Morrison, and you get the sense that she's like

954
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: obviously extremely close with her husband, but that like they

955
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: rely on each other in so many more ways than

956
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: maybe a regular couple would because they're both in this

957
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: industry and they often tour together, and like, you know,

958
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: it's like to have that so it almost is like

959
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: being part of a duo act, you know what I mean,

960
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: because at least that person is like always right there

961
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: and that is so important. Yeah, totally when you do

962
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: when you do it, like an art form that's really vulnerable,

963
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's not like you're out there.

964
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: It's not like you're not to say that acting is

965
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: not vulnerable, but it's not like it's not like you're

966
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: you know, on a soap opera together and like are

967
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: checking in about how you felt about how the scene went.

968
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, It's like this is your

969
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: real life experiences. This is you know. I think there

970
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: is something super like emotionally revealing about like even like

971
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: what chord progressions you choose, like like the way you

972
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: sing a song, like there's just like it's like letting

973
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: people in in such a way. And so I think

974
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: that that all really reads and tracks. I do want

975
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: to get to the culture that made y'all say culture

976
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: was for you. Let's start with Naomi and Naomi, what

977
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: was the culture that made you say that culture was

978
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: for you? I wasn't ready to go first, but this

979
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: is this kind of have to. I know. I've tried

980
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: not to overthink it too much. I think we're all

981
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: like diagnosed overthinkers, so I've tried not to overthink it

982
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: and on well a core, uh, I know it's going poorly.

983
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: Um I I think the culture that made me say

984
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: culture was for me was the culture of burned c

985
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: d s. Yeah, so I didn't I didn't have like,

986
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: I grew up poor, didn't have a computer until I

987
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: was in my early teens, didn't understand really how you

988
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: got music other than like going to the CD store

989
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: and going to Tower a CD. But I had friends

990
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: in like the fourth and fifth grade at my school

991
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: we started burning the CDs. I didn't know anything about

992
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 1: pop music because I just didn't. I wasn't I didn't

993
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: have cable TV, I didn't have a computer, and my

994
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,479
Speaker 1: parents were My mom was like not interested in pop

995
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: music at all. It was like a jazz heads. So

996
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: I knew like funking jazz and that pretty much that's it,

997
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: and like movie soundtracks, um and yeah. I like I

998
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: started to get into like pop music and like contemporary

999
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: pop music of the time around that time, and like

1000
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: it opened my whole world up getting burned CDs from

1001
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: my friends. So shout out to all my friends if

1002
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: you could, if you can think of a like a

1003
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: platonic ideal of like a burned c D from that time,

1004
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: what's on it? If you could say, like five songs, well,

1005
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: I have like the I definitely and that I have

1006
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: the headphones that go back behind your ears, you can

1007
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: tell me that you weren't looking tell me anything. I

1008
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 1: think it would have been, Um, it would have been

1009
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: like some early Destiny's Child stuff. Depending on the c D,

1010
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: it might have been some of the first Beyonce solo album.

1011
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: I love that album. Um, it would have been that,

1012
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: it would have been like in Vogue, Brandy. I loved

1013
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: stuff was really two thousands R and B person too. Yeah.

1014
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: I loved uh like Aaliyah Mariah like all that stuff.

1015
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: I was really into. And I was also really into

1016
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: like grunge and like some heavier stuff. And I also like,

1017
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: I liked I liked Green Day, like like the really

1018
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: Green Days stuff, and I liked. Yeah, I got into

1019
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: like Nirvana and stuff like anyone who's like eleven and

1020
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: has a lot of feelings I got. But I got

1021
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: into emotion too, um so kind of all over the

1022
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: place for some reason. I I just said, Nirvana, I

1023
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: was really in vain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have to

1024
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: butche it up a little bit to feel good about it. Yeah.

1025
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: So that's like balanced diet. That's really it was pretty balanced. Yeah,

1026
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: it was pretty It was pretty balanced. M Yeah, Okay,

1027
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: I mean so I went to Jennifer Lewis's Little Star

1028
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: Hollywood Walk of Fame thing the other day and I

1029
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: sat next to Brandy. I'm telling you, I was shaking.

1030
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: I literally I was. I was in between Vanessa Bayer

1031
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: and Brandy and I turned to Vanessa and I was like,

1032
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: it's it's Brandy, Like I can't believe it. She was like,

1033
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: do you want me to like stay hello to her

1034
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: and we can have a conversation. I was like, no,

1035
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: I don't think I can. I don't. I was like,

1036
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: you don't understand like Brandy is like, I mean I

1037
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: think listening to R and B girls, Oh yeah, no,

1038
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: those were like that was like, I mean people know,

1039
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: like I feel like most like white boys my age,

1040
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: like no, like Brandy and Monica, but they don't know Monica.

1041
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know what I mean.

1042
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: It's it's like but I know I really loved and

1043
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: I loved the full Moon album like never say Never,

1044
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: like all that stuff, Like I still think have you ever?

1045
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: Is one of the most under other Oh when she okay,

1046
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: who she she's doing it with? Um? Is she doing

1047
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: it with Joz and Sullivan in that video? I think

1048
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: so there's there's a video where I'm gonna look this up. Yes, yes,

1049
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: I've heard of this. Her and Jasmin Selden dude do

1050
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: this little I think she's teaching Brandy how to do

1051
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: a riff up. Like there's like an up riff that

1052
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: she's teaching her and then you're like a hallway. It's

1053
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: one of the coolest videos ever. It's so wild. It's

1054
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: called Brandy the Vocal Bible because like, and also you

1055
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: don't realize her range because her tone is so effortless

1056
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: and specific to her, you actually don't realize her range.

1057
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: But like, and you know who else is like that

1058
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: Tony Braxton range is out of control, Like if you

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01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: actually listen to what she's doing and unbreak my heart.

1060
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: She is in the basement of the basement and then

1061
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: like like it's giving like all over the map. But anyway, yes,

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01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: Naomi is the riffer of the band and also has

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01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: the craziest range in the band. And that's like the crime,

1064
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: not honestly, is that there's not enough name it is

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01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: time throughout Muna that you'll be charged. Yeah, guys having

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01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: on here looking for the crime, Well you found it

1067
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: all right, literally perfect. Let's move on to Katie. Katie,

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Speaker 1: what was the culture that meant you said culture was

1069
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: for you? Okay, well, I feel like my culture has

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01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: been covered because initially I was going to say that

1071
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: the culture that made me realize culture was for me

1072
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: was Children's Community Theater. Give give all details of what

1073
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: roles you played, Like, oh my god, okay, So so

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Speaker 1: I was in uh there was something called Wineka Children's Theater,

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01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: and I was in. You could be in the productions

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01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: between fourth and eighth grade. And there were a few

1077
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: of us that were uh wait, fourth, fifth, six sevent eight.

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01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: So there were a few of us that were ten

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01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: show ten showers like that. They that did every show.

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01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: I actually don't know why I said that. They didn't

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01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: call us ten showers. Did two shows a year and

1082
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: you did all five years and I did all five years. Yeah,

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01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: and I was like a fall play in a spring musical?

1084
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: Was it? Exactly? It was all musicals. It was all musicals,

1085
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: but there was a fall in the Spring, and they

1086
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: had different the directors like switched off. UM's like Alan

1087
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: Taylor Exactly. I've just been trying to recreate the situation. Yes,

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01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: can you can you name the shows? The first show

1089
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: I was in was Joseph and the Amazing technicol Or

1090
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: Dream Code, and I was in the chorus and I

1091
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: just remember, um, you know, I'm a highly sensitive person,

1092
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: but I was so moved by musicals and I remember

1093
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: like being on stage for the the song Um, I

1094
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: think it's called close Every Door, and it's Joseph when

1095
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: he's like imprisoned, and you know, I just feel like

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01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: literally like the pain of the world as like uh yeah,

1097
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: as a fourth grader and just being so moved and

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01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: so good and like doing and aweing. Um. I loved

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01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,919
Speaker 1: being in the course and also like the first show

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01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: was very formative because um, being in a community of

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01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: kids that had you know, this like schedule of being

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Speaker 1: together you know, three days during the weekday and then

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01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: like this long rehearsal on the weekend and having cast

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01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: bonding and just this feeling of like doing stuff together.

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01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,919
Speaker 1: And there was this really sweet older woman who made

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01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: all the costumes named Ruth, and like the costume and

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01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: prop closet was like in the attic of this community building,

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01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: and it was like such a magical place. And I

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01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: think just having this experience of like making something with

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01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: a with a group of people, making friends, fucking around,

1111
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, like during it, UM, I was so in love.

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01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: I never really got um big parts in shows because

1113
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: something about me is that I had like a really

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01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: limited range as a singer for my childhood. When you

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01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: discovered your voice, because you really are such an excellent

1116
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: vord like talk about singularity, like you know when you

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01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: hear it. So I wanted to know, like when did

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01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: you discover your voice? Yeah, I mean I was a

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01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: songwriter starting in fifth grade. I got I started playing

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Speaker 1: guitar um, and I think I knew, I mean, I

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01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: knew I loved singing um. I liked expressing myself that way.

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01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,959
Speaker 1: But I had this feeling that there was something wrong

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01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: with my voice because I couldn't I couldn't sing the

1124
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: songs that were written for women in musical theater, like

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01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: my range just wasn't there. And I found out later

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01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: after I went to college that I had vocal nodules

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01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: for like a lot of growing up that was affecting

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01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: my range um. So there was this feeling of I

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01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: think in a way that's part of what got me

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01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: into songwriting, because I could write for for my range

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01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: and I could sing through a whole song versus like

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01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: just being embarrassed and limited by not being able to

1133
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: actually you know, sing like you know parts. And I

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01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: remember like we were doing Peter Pan one year and

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01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: like I, of course, it's like you want to be Wendy.

1136
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: But I was like, I think I got cast as

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01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: Tiger Lily because I could. I just couldn't sing these songs.

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01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: Um color mind casting at the time, especially, and I

1139
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: would be apologizing for that. You are a tiger Lily type.

1140
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: Everyone's thinking this, yeah, but I was like I would

1141
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: get um. I was often uh, this made up role

1142
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: captain of the dance troupe because they like, they loved

1143
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: me and they wanted me to like keep being a

1144
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: part of it. But they you know, we're trying to

1145
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: make up for not giving me real parts, you know.

1146
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: So I was. I was captain of the dance troup

1147
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: a lot, and I liked it. I was pulling the choreography.

1148
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: You know. There we go, well that that position needs

1149
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: to be there. Yeah, dance captain is the thing. But

1150
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: also I also think it is so valuable for people

1151
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: to be in chorus. I was always in chorus, always

1152
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: in chorus, was never given like a real part until

1153
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: senior year. Anything goes where um the I've told the

1154
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: story mollon times, but the musical theater director at our

1155
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: school was just like toxic woman and she um I

1156
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: had like burned that bridge junior and then she begged

1157
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: me to come back to do anything. Was because they

1158
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: were the two the two Chinese stowaways, and she was

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01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: not going to cast a white person. It was like

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01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: I did her a favor. But anyway, this is all

1161
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: to say that like on Course, being in being in

1162
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: Course is truly some of the most um some of

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01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: the most you full formative artistic experiences that anyone can have.

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01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: I think truly, I love I wouldn't say sexy times

1165
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: as well, because backstage having fun, the people that the

1166
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: big roles were not having fun the way we were

1167
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: having fun. I actually it's it's a live that I

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01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: never did any shows. When I was in seventh sixth grade,

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01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: I did Peter Pan and I was like in the

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01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: I was one of the pirates. I was in the ensemble,

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01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: and I remember like like I loved the rehearsal process

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01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: because it was just everyone fucking around. Like I remember,

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01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: I was working with these two girls and remember it

1174
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: was like the hell week. It was like the week

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01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: before the show was going to go on. And one

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01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: of these girls who I had always been messing around

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01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: with and whatever, always having fun, turned to me and said,

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01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: some of us take this really seriously. And you're not

1179
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: going to take this seriously, then maybe you shouldn't be

1180
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: in the show at all. Licia and I never forgot

1181
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: it. It It made me feel so bad. She turned on

1182
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: me so fast, and I don't know. Now I'm a

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01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: professional actor and I don't know where exactly icon Alright, Joe,

1184
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: what was the culture that make you say? Culture was

1185
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 1: for you? So the thing that has been hard for

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01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: me figuring this out? Okay, what I'm well, Naomi pitched

1187
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 1: me a few things, but I realized the thing that

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01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: was hard for me when making this decision was, um,

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01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: being gay and thinking it's like, is the culture for me?

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01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: The first time? I'm like, oh my god, because it's

1191
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: like the way you remember things or it's either like

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01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: something really made me interested in you know something, and

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01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: it's like a certain things really made me interested in

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01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: women specifically. But I'm not going down that rabbit hole.

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01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: But that's what was so confusing, was like that was

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01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: such a formative experience. I'm just gay. Um, they definitely

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01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,600
Speaker 1: are tied, and mine is still gay, but it's a

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01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: different kind of gay, not forty but mask uh uh

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01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: so they're not going to guess what I did. Uh,

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01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: This one got pulled out of my ass. But I

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01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: was really into the Muppets as a kid. And there's

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01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: an episode of the Muppets where Alice Cooper is playing

1203
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: guitar and he he performed Schooled Out, you know, for summer,

1204
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: and I saw that, I was like, well, I guess

1205
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm doing that now. There's like it's a specific Halloween

1206
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: episode and I was fucking obsessed with it and it

1207
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: made me well. I always wanted to be like a musician,

1208
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: but seeing that specifically was like, well, I'm doing this

1209
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be performing with the Muppets, So yeah,

1210
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: if the Muppets, I love like it would be over Uppets.

1211
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: I love that. This is such a great specific answer

1212
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 1: that did you can can you index this moment with

1213
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: Alice Cooper, like have you did it get unlocked for

1214
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: you recently or have you always gone back to that

1215
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: moment being like Wow, what a freaking amazing realizations been

1216
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: a part of my uh. You know, I have certain things.

1217
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm obviously like a record on repeat, and this is

1218
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: one of the This is one of the tracks, but

1219
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: it was a track that I didn't initially think of

1220
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: when I was talking to them about this. They pitched

1221
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: me a few other ones, which are obviously important, but uh, this,

1222
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: I had to do something. It's so funny to think

1223
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: about Alice Cooper guesting on the Muppets and like and

1224
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: like also like Sesame Street cameos, Like it was so funny.

1225
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: Like so, Dave Mazzoni and I host this show called

1226
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: Game Show and we do this thing called Celebrity Essences,

1227
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: and one of our clues that we were going to use,

1228
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: I don't I forget for who for what celebrity was

1229
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: It was a guest, like a celebrity guest cameo on

1230
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: Sesame Street. And there was this photo of Kim Control

1231
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: on Sesame Street and like in the Sex and the

1232
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: City era, And I'm like, if you were a child

1233
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: watching the like and you turn to them and you're like,

1234
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: who's like, how do you explain how Kim Contrall is

1235
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: famous enough to go there? And what is she saying

1236
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: to Oscar the Grouch? You know what I mean? Like, oh,

1237
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: like you're in the garbage camp. I don't know what

1238
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: exactly the form, but she certainly was on the shop.

1239
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite pictures, like her like talking

1240
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: to Oscar the ground or like Elmo, whoever the funk

1241
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: it is, Cookie Monster, Well, I know a thing or

1242
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: two of that being insatiable. The Muppets don't give a fuck.

1243
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: The Muppets will well, the Muppets will sing with it.

1244
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: That is, that is what's beautiful about the Uppets is

1245
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: that they will sing with Alice Cooper, they will sing

1246
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: with Daga and a Thanksgiving special, you know like that.

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01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: They but they elevate it like like any The study

1248
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: was saying this for our friend Study Green was saying,

1249
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: you put the Muppets with anything in entertainment, and it

1250
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 1: automatically elevates it because you're like, wow, what's the Muppets.

1251
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: Muppets It's it's it's high art because you're like, it's funny,

1252
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,799
Speaker 1: it's cute, it's for everybody. Like, there's something so special

1253
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,560
Speaker 1: and singular about the Muppets that you can't replicate with

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01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: any universal universal it's real culture number four four universal

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01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,799
Speaker 1: and we and we should say real culture number seventy five, Naomi.

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01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: We can't forget any of his contribution, which is podcast

1257
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: or books, podcast reading, podcast post. You say that, so

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01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: I would say, can we just can we just briefly

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01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: say We'll start with you, Joe, who is the most

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01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: iconic Muppet or sesame Street character? Like, who is who

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01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: is the girl? I have the girl? The thing, the

1262
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: thing that I'm going to say is not going to

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01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 1: be someone that I know the name of. Described Okay,

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Speaker 1: so the girl is. There is a skit in the Muppets. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There are two episodes of The Muppets that Live rent

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Speaker 1: Free in My Body and sool, the ones that super

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01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: episode and the other ones evince the pripe episode. It's

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01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: a Halloween episode. It is there's a monster Muppet with

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01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: a smaller Muppet singing You're under my skin and is

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01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: eating the smaller muppet. And both of those muppets combined,

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Speaker 1: that are the girls for me. Oh my god, I

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01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 1: don't know that horrifying. Oh it's crazy. What's his name?

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01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: It's the big It's I know, the big yellow one.

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01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think he's part of

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01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: like the original cast. He's not a no, he's a

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01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: Halloween He's a Halloween regular, Like if you want to

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01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 1: get your your ship rocked, he's on the show featured.

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01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: He's a featured performer. I found I found them, I

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01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: found their names. Do you want to know? Yeah? Okay,

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01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: so they were both. This was the Vincent Pright episode.

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01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: The Vincent Price episode was the first season. But it's

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01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: Behemoth is the big yellow one and the smaller one

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01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: is Shaky Sanchez right now, just thinking, honestly, Behemoth, like

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01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: I was there, I had reoccurring dreams about the Muppets,

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01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: like they really, they really do belong inside of my brain.

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01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 1: And he really didn't number on me. Let me just

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01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: say that, like, if I think about him too much,

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01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to have a night terror tonight to One

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01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: of my most formative nightmares was that Behemoth took me

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01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: and put me in the oven and my mom like

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01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't see it, Like she was like in the kitchen,

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01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: like and I couldn't get her attention. But she had

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01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: a similar dream. I'm not even talking with you were

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01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: I was in an elevator and there he was in

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01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: the elevator and my mom is with me. I'm yelling

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01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: at my mom, but she can't hear me. Yep, can't

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01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 1: You couldn't hear me? Duo therapy dissected period Um, that's

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01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: the Pisces connection. There's something there. Um. Okay, wow, you know,

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01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: what about what about for Katie? Who's the top of it?

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01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,600
Speaker 1: I think the muppet I love the most and I

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01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't interact with them upp is that much.

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01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: But the one that I should consider interacting more, I

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01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: know I should consider interacting more. Um, the one that

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01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: I have an affinity for, off the top would be

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01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: Gonzo co Well, have you seen Muppets, Muppets from Space,

1306
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: Muppets in Space of course movie Muppets in Space. I

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01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: honestly don't think I have. I think they have been

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01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 1: doing They opened well, the first of all, the movie

1309
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: is amazing. It's about Gonzo finding out where he's from,

1310
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: and he's basically from the planet that Parliament is from.

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01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 1: The movie opens with them performing. All of the mupps

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01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: are performing brick House Gonzo Africa. The best movie I've

1313
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: ever seen, gonz Gonzo is Black, Gonzo's black period, Gonzo's Black.

1314
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: He's claimed by that movie. Rewatch it. The opening montage

1315
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: with them cleaning their else they all live into brick houses. Amazing,

1316
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, guns guns are having Parliament and like

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01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: Sun raw Energy iconic rocket number nine. Okay naomi, um okay.

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01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: I want to say this is this is real hard. Um.

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01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: It's a tie for me. It's type tie between Uh

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01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: the King Prawn, who has a line in that movie

1321
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: saying that he's not a trimp, He's a king prawn

1322
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 1: and it's like his hero line. Um and Uh and

1323
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: Ralph the Dog, the Big Dog. He's really sweet. I

1324
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna say no. I mean, like, because

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01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: google Ralph, this is my subconscious the other guy too

1326
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: much a part of me. But Ralph well. I also,

1327
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 1: like I want to say about Joe and the Muppets

1328
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: is like in general, I do feel like there's something

1329
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: really historically waiting for this with Joe and like um

1330
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: being a France jams and like alter egos. Like when

1331
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: I met Joe in college, like one of the first Halloween's,

1332
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: they were dressed up as um, like some type of

1333
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: golden parrot bird like in like a full onesie with

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01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: like a like a bird mask mask. Yeah, and I

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01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: wore a figure skating onesie. Yeah. I will say I

1336
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 1: would say anything that is like freak core that I

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01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: coined recently. Yeah, I have a copyright. I feel I

1338
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: feel kin too Little Monster, Yeah, send them. I sent

1339
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 1: her this video, you guys known the musician Oliver sim Yeah,

1340
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: he's he was in XX and he has a music

1341
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: video from his new record. I think the record is great.

1342
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: And the song is called Romance with the Memory, and

1343
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 1: like it's a bunch of like people in kind of

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01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 1: different whimsical monster costumes. And I saw it and I

1345
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: was like, this is Josette. Well, that's why I love

1346
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: drags so much. I didn't know I would love drag

1347
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: so much until like I started really watching Drag Race

1348
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: and I saw that people were like being absolute freaks

1349
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:22,560
Speaker 1: and it's an excuse to be your freakish self. I

1350
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: would love I would love to, I would do anything.

1351
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: I would do Bio drag and I would do obviously,

1352
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 1: I love to King King. You would do both? You

1353
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: would you wuld do King? And and and yeah yeah yeah,

1354
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: your hand gestures are very like bio. I'm rocked today.

1355
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm in the zone. Yeah, I guess me a few

1356
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: hours will be more upset in mask. Well, my favorite

1357
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: my favorite muppet is Miss Picky Cious when when she

1358
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: says how it's the funniest thing anyone could ever do.

1359
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: She is a diva. I mean, she's a gay icon.

1360
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: I do believe she's a gay woman. She's a gay woman.

1361
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: When she tells Michael Caine in Muppet Christmas Carold to

1362
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:11,719
Speaker 1: leave at the end. She's so authoritative, she is in charge.

1363
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: And I will say, whenever the show gets foiled, I'm

1364
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: always upset. I'm always like, whenever, like the big show

1365
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: she's gonna put on, like gets destroyed by the idiot Muppets,

1366
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: I'm always like, why won't you let this moment perform?

1367
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: Like I also have a soft spot for um, oh

1368
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: my god, Waldorf and Statler, Statler and Waldorf, Like because

1369
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: there's a there's a moment in the street they're gay,

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01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 1: there's a yeah, the old guys. And there's a moment

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01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 1: in the Muppets three day attraction at Disney's Hollywood Studios

1372
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: where the show is ending and they go and this

1373
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: is what I loved about the Muppets, Like whenever it

1374
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 1: would break the fourth wall and be like self referential

1375
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: and stupid, I loved it. So whenever like they're like,

1376
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 1: we're to get out of here, and the other one goes,

1377
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: we can't go anywhere. We're bolted to the seats, just

1378
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: laughing about how their puppets and there in the theme park,

1379
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 1: like I think they are bolted to the seats. I

1380
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: remember leaving as a child of being like like like,

1381
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: it's like that gift of the woman with the numbers.

1382
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, Like they're aware of

1383
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: the fact that they're bolted to the seats, like Hi,

1384
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: this is like eggs high postmodern art, like this is yeah,

1385
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 1: it's and here's the top Muppet and then we'll do

1386
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. It's Beaker down. Baker. He is.

1387
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: Baker is a dumb bottom. The Beaker just wants to help, yeah,

1388
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: but can't but can't do it. But he can. He

1389
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: communicates and emote so much with no words. It's it's

1390
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,560
Speaker 1: so it's so iconic. I feel like Baker sometimes. I

1391
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: feel like you're the do. You're in the Bunson and

1392
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm bigger. Bunsen is a legend. To Bunsen is a legend.

1393
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean women, man and men in stem Men. We

1394
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: need men in stem It's throughly culture number ninety nine. Okay,

1395
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: well it is time to do I don't think so, honey.

1396
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: This is a sixty second segment that we do on

1397
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: this podcast weekly where we take exactly sixty seconds, as

1398
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: is the sort of you know what was said as

1399
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: is custom and we rail again something in culture that's

1400
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 1: just getting to us a little bit. We had to

1401
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: exercise demons about it. I do have something about I

1402
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: alluded to it amazing. Okay, this is amazing. Um, we

1403
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: know what it is. But I think we're still going

1404
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: to be blown away. This time starts now. I don't

1405
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: think so, Honey, no popping the setlist of chromatic A Ball,

1406
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: because here's the thing, you have to at least nod

1407
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: to every era. I am famously one of Lady Gaga's

1408
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 1: fans who does not like just dance. For me personally,

1409
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 1: I think we've heard just dance enough. I think I

1410
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 1: would have loved to hear just something out of left field,

1411
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you're back on stage

1412
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: for a while. Just give us like Donna Tella, give

1413
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: us g u y, you know what I mean. I

1414
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 1: honestly think would fit in with the environment of the

1415
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 1: chromatic A Ball. I believe that Venus is sort of

1416
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 1: nearby Chromatica as a planet. I think that's just a

1417
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:33,560
Speaker 1: hop skipping and jump away. I just feel that Applause

1418
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 1: is an underrated song, and I think people are ready

1419
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 1: to jump on Lady Gaga about applause because it wasn't

1420
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 1: born this way, which what does that even mean? Again?

1421
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 1: I would even rather applause why I understand, and almost

1422
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: I don't think the honey myself for saying that, because

1423
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: I understand the need to have born this way because

1424
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: it's sort of in the fabric of Lady Gaga d

1425
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 1: n A. But like I don't know, it's chromatica. It's

1426
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 1: a different planet. It's an alternate Lady Gaga. Maybe we

1427
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: have Donna Tella instead of all these other songs. I

1428
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, I need appause. I know Lady

1429
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 1: Gaga forgot applause, but I need I mean our pop rather,

1430
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: I need our pop. That's one minute, you know, And

1431
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: I didn't realize she also doesn't have any Joanne in

1432
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: this that list, which is you know, I mean like

1433
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: maybe we should come on like you're you're going to

1434
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 1: do like an acoustic part and you're gonna do always

1435
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,719
Speaker 1: remember this this way. I understand that, I like, always

1436
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: remember us this way. But maybe we could have had

1437
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: Griggio Girls there. Can you imagine like she's like Griggio

1438
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: Girls like with all her fans there after all these

1439
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: years screaming like, I just think there's some eraser of yes, Joanne,

1440
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,919
Speaker 1: But really art pop and art pop was an important

1441
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: experimental CHROMATICA asked Era speaking of Sun Raw, Venus is

1442
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: sampling sun Raw like and and it's inspired by sun

1443
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: Raw Rock at number nine. It's she's she really did

1444
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: herself dirty on that one. I just feel like there

1445
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 1: was an opportunity there to have a little bit more

1446
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: art pop, especially in this like brutalist like sort of

1447
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 1: like I feel like the esthete beauld very much lend

1448
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: themselves to art pop. I love the fact that she's

1449
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 1: describing this that as brutalist. I love that it is brutalist.

1450
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: Brutalism is something that I love. We recently were what

1451
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: was that hotel? We were staying at um not not

1452
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:15,560
Speaker 1: the Sole Psycle Equinox hotel, and then we described it

1453
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 1: as brutalist, and that really made me laugh. Brutalism is

1454
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: in I just I love describing things as brutalist, so harsh.

1455
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: We we love Venus Venus, come on hard do it

1456
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: what Lady Guga cover would Wuna do? Holy sh it?

1457
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 1: We would do probably something. I mean, I don't know.

1458
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: I feel like stupid love is up our alleys. Yeah,

1459
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: that kind of like Pulsey bass is very Moona vibes.

1460
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's hard. We should just say that.

1461
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: Um Joel sent us the demo for some time times

1462
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: for your covers. For sometimes we heard it in the car.

1463
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: I was in l A and we both like we

1464
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 1: were at um we were at the mall. We were

1465
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: leaving them all. We were leaving them. We were in

1466
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: the mall. We were in the mall. I will never

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01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: forget that memory. You guys, like truly like stopped me

1468
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: in my tracks. I was like, this has and we

1469
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:22,640
Speaker 1: talked about it. But wait, that you guys made the

1470
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 1: movie so much better. It's really cool that we have

1471
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: made something together. You know. It's so cool and like

1472
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: I think that you know, that's so beautiful, like being

1473
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 1: able to contribute a song like to this moment where

1474
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 1: y'all have already contributed like this raw emotion and then

1475
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 1: the song can just elevate that and like die people,

1476
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, to this emotional climax. I mean, it was

1477
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 1: such a joy. We worked our little butts off to

1478
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: get so it was down to the dang of wire baby,

1479
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: but we was a lot, but it's so worth it

1480
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: every night and we prayed to trust. Um. I know

1481
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: people are upset that we cut the bridge. I know people,

1482
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 1: I have to acknowledge that because people are going to

1483
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: be hearing this. I know the bridge does not work

1484
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: for Muna. Sometimes the words are to kind of tweet

1485
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: for our like version. I think we really are very

1486
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: of the time. We did change the style of the

1487
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: song a lot. You know, Um, maybe we could have

1488
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: worked that out if on a different times it works

1489
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 1: not really in the O G version, the bridge is great.

1490
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 1: We love it. In the O G version, I just

1491
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 1: don't think it I don't know. For me, it didn't work.

1492
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 1: That was when pop music was a little bit more

1493
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 1: musical theater, you know what I mean. It was more

1494
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 1: like it was more like you know that, it was

1495
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: just it was more it just worked for Brittany in

1496
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: a way that was not going to work for this

1497
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: moment that we needed. Also, it's just like, you know

1498
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 1: it really it really feels like musically it would have

1499
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: gone to a totally different place and like changed the

1500
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 1: meaning whereas well, it's it's actually quite simple, you know

1501
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like like the lyrics are are

1502
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 1: they hold up without that in the Bridge, Yeah, singing

1503
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 1: like the lyrics, Yeah, I was likely. I don't know

1504
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 1: if I've ever sang a song like this that's telling

1505
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 1: this specific story where it's like I am interested in you,

1506
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 1: but I like take time to open up and I'm

1507
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: like fragile and not necessarily available, but you have to

1508
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 1: believe that I can be. It was like, this is

1509
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:48,560
Speaker 1: just so specific and special and really touching, Like I

1510
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 1: felt really emotional singing it. It is a specific, like

1511
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 1: per like point of view I guess hasn't really been

1512
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,879
Speaker 1: represented in a lot of pop songs. It's a big Christian,

1513
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: it's a big Christian. It's a big Christian. It's just

1514
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 1: a bit but it's a bit avoidant to attachment style.

1515
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: The attachment style is not represented in pop songs. But

1516
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: we made some We made some compilation muna playlists of

1517
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: like different attachment styles. Who yeah, which I think it's funny.

1518
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, I love it. Well. I will

1519
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 1: say that anyone who's who's taking issue with the Bridge

1520
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 1: not being included, get over because we guess what, I

1521
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 1: sing the Bridge and the fucking movie and that'll do.

1522
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 1: That'll do just fine. Bowen ys version version Bowen's version. Okay,

1523
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 1: speaking of bones version, this is Bon's version of I

1524
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey today the one are you ready?

1525
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 1: Do you have thoughts and feelings? I have thoughts, I

1526
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 1: have thoughts and and I'm sorry. This episode has been

1527
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 1: all about siblinghood and sisterhood. I just I'm going to

1528
01:29:55,760 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: come after my sister Bowen, Yanks, I don't think many

1529
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,719
Speaker 1: time shots now, I don't think so, honey. Matt Rodgers

1530
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 1: complimenting Ramona Singer in a restaurant this past weekend, saying

1531
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan, and her going, oh, thank you

1532
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 1: so much. That's so sweet. Why would you validate someone

1533
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 1: like that? Why would you ever give a monstrous person

1534
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: such as remote Singer herself this kind of good vibe?

1535
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: She does not deserve it. She is a pit of despair.

1536
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: She is a black hole. The light will go nowhere

1537
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 1: you are. It is a bottomless container, Matt. It is there's, there's,

1538
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 1: There is no output for this. She will not convert

1539
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: that light into anything worthwhile into the world. Okay, she's

1540
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: a horrible person. I can't believe you said hello to her,

1541
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 1: that you were nice to her. I have lost a

1542
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:51,600
Speaker 1: little bit of respect for you. I will you. You

1543
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: will gain it back. You will gain it back. I

1544
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: have no doubt you will gain it back. But in

1545
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: this moment, I have lost a little bit of respect

1546
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:01,799
Speaker 1: for Matt Rod and I hate it when that happens.

1547
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. Sort of reminds me of the

1548
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 1: time that Donald Trump was leaving his afterparty for SNL

1549
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 1: and Bowen Yank said great show tonight, said complimented Donald

1550
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:20,600
Speaker 1: Trump on his comedy. Um and then they've owned up

1551
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 1: to the of our time. If Unca Trump and said

1552
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: congratulations and patted his belly to signify congratulations on her pregnancy,

1553
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 1: I have owned up to this moment. It is the

1554
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 1: most shange moment to come after me first saying two

1555
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 1: words big band to Ramona Singer who I was shocked

1556
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 1: to see at a restaurant in sag Harbor, to even

1557
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: compare you are films. You're in yuppy Central. You wished

1558
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: you were in yuppy Central. Cheer out of my god,

1559
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm in London. Cheer. Is it possible? Both of these

1560
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 1: situations are classic cases of dissociation in I think so

1561
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: I was. I was. Can I tell you guys, I

1562
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 1: was it was my birthday. I was this was it

1563
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 1: was Suty's first year at SNL, and I was just

1564
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 1: like happy to be there. I was wasted off my ass.

1565
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 1: And literally Trump walks by and I go great shown

1566
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: and then he goes, thank you. He looked him in

1567
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 1: the eyes and he said, Hey, I just wanted to

1568
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 1: tell you that I thought you weren't surprised me tonight

1569
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: the way that you embodied characters. I thought it was incredible.

1570
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 1: But I did voting for you. And this is the

1571
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: equivalent of me like telling Hitler like I love your paintings,

1572
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, like it's shameful. I am, and I currently am.

1573
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 1: It's it's I've never believe you would set me up

1574
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 1: in such a way to to to to attack me

1575
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: for saying the words big fan to remote a singer.

1576
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 1: By the way, this reminds me I did want to

1577
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 1: do what I don't think so, Honey and Dorinda, who

1578
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: continues to destroy any good will that she had on

1579
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:58,560
Speaker 1: The Real Health Spies Ultimate Girls Trip season two, It

1580
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 1: is so insane that bad. It's bad, alright, But I

1581
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 1: think we've we've both done dark things, as we all

1582
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:12,680
Speaker 1: have as human beings. Let's move on order. No, we're

1583
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 1: going to swush it up because because because Naomi went

1584
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:17,679
Speaker 1: first already, so now Joe is going to go first,

1585
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 1: going first, let's go. No, Nami was like saying that

1586
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: they wanted me to do this. In a way, it's like,

1587
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 1: should they when we pick what I'm going to talk about, Well,

1588
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: there's one, there's one I basically feel because of our

1589
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 1: conversation the other day, Which which which one is it? Okay,

1590
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 1: it was the one you feel, Jojo, do the one

1591
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 1: you feel. Do when you feel in your heart, on

1592
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:43,679
Speaker 1: your heart, always do when you feel in your heart.

1593
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 1: That's the original culture number four in your heart. Okay,

1594
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 1: here we go. I don't think so, honey, time starts now.

1595
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, motherfucking liars, I don't want

1596
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 1: to do. In hotel in New York City, to be

1597
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: told it is two queen beds. Were you telling and

1598
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 1: we were going in? I think we're gonna share a bed. No,

1599
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: these are two full fucking beds. Big gass and Naomi's

1600
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: big gass are gonna share a bed in a full

1601
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 1: bed and say yes, we like this. Then we go

1602
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 1: downstairs they say that no, this is a fucking queen bed. No,

1603
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: it isn't. We're getting a tape measurer and we're using

1604
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: this bed and let me just tell you every situation

1605
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 1: that you're gonna come in here and tell me something

1606
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:32,679
Speaker 1: is the way that it is and it's a fucking lie.

1607
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I don't fucking think so, honey.

1608
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:38,840
Speaker 1: I actually can. I can end there in a way.

1609
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 1: I could end there, and I will come with you.

1610
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 1: I will come for you, especially when you get the

1611
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: tape measure out. Jesus. It was Joe's pacing back and

1612
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 1: forth in our hotel like we're going to get a

1613
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 1: tape measure in here. These are not queen beds. I

1614
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 1: can't stand it with people wide to me. I don't

1615
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 1: want to. I want my money back. I want my

1616
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 1: money back. You're gonna do a little. It's a difference

1617
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 1: in the price, like the double, and we're sharing beds

1618
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: like that is a real thing. We do share beds

1619
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 1: when we're in hotels, but we're not we're not too

1620
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 1: bougie for that. At this point. We are sharing beds

1621
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 1: in hotel room said they worst, the worst, the worst,

1622
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 1: shared the fool with you, Joe Dooe I don't want

1623
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 1: to I love you, I don't want to know. I'm cool.

1624
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm cool and a queen. I don't even want to

1625
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 1: share a full with my girlfriend. I want enough room

1626
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 1: to be able to exhale and inhale your inside saying this,

1627
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 1: and yet you put a dog bigger than a human

1628
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,679
Speaker 1: in your in your bed with you and your girlfriend.

1629
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,799
Speaker 1: That's different. That's different. Just started agree bone, It is different.

1630
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:58,280
Speaker 1: And Katie, dare come for me right now to just

1631
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 1: makes me want to put you on the spot. Are

1632
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:06,680
Speaker 1: you ready, Katie? Oh goodness, yeah, so serious. Okay, it's

1633
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:11,479
Speaker 1: truly a huge left turn. Okay, this is Katies. I

1634
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 1: don't think so of your time starts now. Okay, I

1635
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Babies having only two parents parents

1636
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:27,759
Speaker 1: to have Humans have been around for thousands and thousands

1637
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 1: of years been raising babies. And do we have any

1638
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:37,560
Speaker 1: examples from this time where two parents was enough to

1639
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: do the job to raise a baby? Do we have

1640
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: examples of this? Specifically? There's something toxic in the in

1641
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 1: the culture that we're growing up in now where we're

1642
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:51,679
Speaker 1: in the nuclear families were isolated in our little homes.

1643
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 1: Uh and more and more is falling on the two people.

1644
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: I would like to say that, uh, really, there shouldn't

1645
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 1: be babies that have any less than I would say

1646
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: eight parents. I think maybe one eighth of the responsibility

1647
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 1: for raising a child is the appropriate amount of responsibility

1648
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 1: where we have a chance of actually doing it right.

1649
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so incredible. Now I want to ask

1650
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 1: the question to Joe, which is, Joe, do you support

1651
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:26,000
Speaker 1: Polly Amory when it comes to raising co parenting a child? Well,

1652
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 1: what is the relationship between me and the other parents?

1653
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 1: Like it's the parents are sucking every day and it's

1654
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 1: not compulsory and then obvious if it's messy, I'm fine.

1655
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:52,799
Speaker 1: If it as traumatizing as possible for someone to exist

1656
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 1: right now, Well, if you're giving me this scenario, I'm

1657
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 1: really this is a long term scheme. I mean to

1658
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 1: get involved in when they're raising babies and I have

1659
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:07,560
Speaker 1: to say, I am not having a baby. You have

1660
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 1: the baby bit you might have, Well, I will if

1661
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 1: you'll raise it with me. How about I don't. I

1662
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 1: don't know. They're really wracked up about this one. I

1663
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not ready. You have to get you

1664
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 1: have to get eight people on board on the same

1665
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 1: like a like a damn a literal parentage here parent

1666
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:33,200
Speaker 1: teager conference. Do I think eight is too much? I

1667
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,559
Speaker 1: feel what do you think it is? The perple number?

1668
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 1: I can't get along with eight other seven other people, four, six,

1669
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:46,720
Speaker 1: six partners six. I would do. Six is good. You know,

1670
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:48,599
Speaker 1: Matt and I were Matt and I were an improv

1671
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 1: We're in comedy groups with eight people and it felt like,

1672
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, the work was our baby and it worked. Yeah,

1673
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 1: and never once well be all on the same page.

1674
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 1: That's that's like group. I'm against. Group might mean I don't.

1675
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,679
Speaker 1: I feel like it could get really complicated. Sure, okay, Katie,

1676
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 1: here's here's what I think everyone has been dying into

1677
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 1: what I think. So okay, raising a baby, sure, eight people?

1678
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 1: Why not you pass it around? Everything that you need

1679
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:22,240
Speaker 1: to do with the baby is pretty simple. It's like

1680
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 1: keep it alive, like and keep it mus. But when

1681
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:27,720
Speaker 1: you're starting to talk about whether or not the kids

1682
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 1: should maybe someone is going to be like, I think

1683
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 1: this kid should be homeschooled. I think the kids should

1684
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 1: go to this school. You're talking about preschools, especially in

1685
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,719
Speaker 1: l A. It's gonna get real messy, real no one's

1686
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 1: gonna agree. Have you ever heard of of anarchy? Were

1687
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 1: heard of group decision making? But his kid's gonna be

1688
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 1: fucked up? Is going to have a very diversified Why

1689
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:53,800
Speaker 1: can't you just have the baby and I'll help you

1690
01:39:53,880 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 1: out sometimes, you know what I mean? Like Better said,

1691
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:04,479
Speaker 1: it's called babysitters, hon It's called babysitters Club, And there

1692
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 1: was a whole TV show about it. Google all right, Naomi,

1693
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 1: are you ready? Yeah? It go off? All right. I

1694
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:20,000
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Their time starts now, Okay, I

1695
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:23,320
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. The birds that sing at night.

1696
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 1: There is a tree close to my girlfriend's house, and

1697
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 1: I have deduced that one of these tiny little birds

1698
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 1: lives in that tree. These birds are very accomplished mimics.

1699
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 1: They have a full repertoire of car alarms sounds here

1700
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 1: all day and they're they're there. They're rehearsing for I'm

1701
01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 1: assuming a mate, oh night long, from four in the

1702
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 1: morning maybe until eight. And this used to only be

1703
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 1: happening in the spring. You can give them a pass

1704
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:08,880
Speaker 1: for the spring. Their time. They're trying to find a partner.

1705
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,960
Speaker 1: I get it. If you're singing all night, six months

1706
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 1: out of the year. I have a huge problem with

1707
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 1: that is very shrill. It's all the different car alarms

1708
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. We've all heard him. You know him.

1709
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: You hate them the birds to sing at night. I

1710
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 1: don't think so. Honey. First, I'm sorry, I have I

1711
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 1: have What if you were that horny? Like, what if

1712
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:32,160
Speaker 1: you were so I've been that horny. I'm not a

1713
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:46,760
Speaker 1: maybe you were screaming around. Well, the birds there, there are,

1714
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:51,200
Speaker 1: they're rehearsing there. Let me let me tell you they're

1715
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:54,919
Speaker 1: actually they're actually artists. And number one, you are Actually

1716
01:41:57,160 --> 01:42:01,680
Speaker 1: there are no different every night, six months out of

1717
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,919
Speaker 1: the year. They belong in Vegas, not outside of Naomi's

1718
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 1: girlfriend's house. No, I've had enough. I've had enough. I

1719
01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 1: think the issue is actually goes back to the first

1720
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 1: thing that we talked about. It's like, we need more

1721
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 1: queer representation, and you are you saying this perfect the

1722
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,640
Speaker 1: bird is que Well, if it's outside, if it's if

1723
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:21,479
Speaker 1: it's singing outside of your window and echo park I

1724
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 1: would say, he just needs to perform like it's in

1725
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 1: his body. Yeah, I mean, maybe I am being a

1726
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 1: bit queer phobic. It's quear. For the birds to know

1727
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 1: the car alarm and for you to shout them down

1728
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 1: in such a way is in word of queer phobic,

1729
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 1: speaking of speaking of singing and vocalizing. When Katie came

1730
01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 1: to my Christmas show, she said something that shook me

1731
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 1: to my absolute core. And it's something that came for

1732
01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 1: me and I know what it is. Believe have perfect pitch. Okay,

1733
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:02,400
Speaker 1: I'll say this. There were a few episodes that I've

1734
01:43:02,439 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 1: listened to back to back were you were singing the

1735
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 1: song that you were referencing exactly in the key than

1736
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 1: it is in So I have to think as a

1737
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:16,799
Speaker 1: person who has this affliction, this disease, it's like disease.

1738
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 1: It's very hard. It's really hard to have to have

1739
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 1: perfect pitch. It's really hard. So I listened to those

1740
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:26,599
Speaker 1: two episodes and I thought that you had perfect pitch.

1741
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 1: I I don't. I think you have very good relative

1742
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:36,960
Speaker 1: pitch because I know I don't have perfect pitch. And

1743
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 1: you know who constantly yells at me about quote unquote

1744
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:42,800
Speaker 1: changing the keys is Melan Yang. I'm not changing the keys,

1745
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 1: ef you do it all this time. I do not

1746
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 1: roll the tape, roll the tape roll the tape. You

1747
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 1: could sing a see like if you if you don't, yeah,

1748
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 1: okay you can't. You're pretty close. Yeah, you're pretty close.

1749
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:12,320
Speaker 1: Dammy singing a. Katie just played I just roll rule

1750
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:21,680
Speaker 1: the tape. Okay, play baby? Yeah? Finished the aft in

1751
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 1: a quick local box guy. Yeah no, but the grew

1752
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 1: note is a yeah, which is different. That's the five

1753
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 1: of A. So you're doing amazing race when you know

1754
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:50,720
Speaker 1: the key. I hear everything in soulf edge. Oh my god, yeah,

1755
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 1: what is it? God? I used to think that soul

1756
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: fedge was just the note. I was like, dough is

1757
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 1: just another word for see. Well, that's what you're moving

1758
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 1: it around, and I'm like, that's not dough. Actually no, no. Well,

1759
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 1: as we sort of tumble into musical talk, we will

1760
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:15,559
Speaker 1: tell all the readers out there that if you haven't

1761
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 1: streamed Muna's new album Muna, you're an absolute fool flop.

1762
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous that you're even listening to this. It's like,

1763
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 1: are you you have to listen to Luna literally right now, um,

1764
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 1: best band in the universe, our faves. We literally have

1765
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 1: looked forward to this for such a long time. We

1766
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 1: love you, love you so much. Thank you so much

1767
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 1: for coming on. Thank you so freaking much. We talked

1768
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 1: about the Muppets. We established who has perfect pitch and

1769
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:47,840
Speaker 1: who has relative pitch. We established so much. We talked

1770
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 1: to musical theater as a young guns. We went into it.

1771
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 1: We got through it. We fucking baby friendship in ordered it,

1772
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 1: fucked it. We've talked about friendship. Yeah, we got pretty deep.

1773
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:02,040
Speaker 1: We got pretty We got a perfect episode. I would

1774
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:06,120
Speaker 1: say a perfect episode. And we end every episode where

1775
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 1: the song on the kind of girl think, Wow, the chicks,

1776
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 1: it's giving the chicks. It's the teen them. Oh end

1777
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:28,320
Speaker 1: of the month. I'm jealous. I told them hang out soon.

1778
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:33,120
Speaker 1: I know. We really we really literally a yeah, my readers,