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Speaker 1: Home, y'all. This is episode counted forty seven of Native Lamppod,
Speaker 1: where we give you our breakdown on all things politics
Speaker 1: and culture. Please help me. Welcome our co hosts, my
Speaker 1: co host Tiffany Cross and Angela Raie. What's up ladies,
Speaker 1: Andrew and of course I'm manager Gillam. Thank you for
Speaker 1: the introduction. Angel How y'all doing your respected places great?
Speaker 3: It's glooming right now in here. Yeah, I mean I'm
Speaker 3: in Seattle. Is just gray. It's not rainy, it's just
Speaker 3: gray right now. It's turning in the fall.
Speaker 4: You could have been here.
Speaker 3: I could not have been there. But I will see
Speaker 3: you this weekend shortly. I will see you tomorrow.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it.
Speaker 5: But technically today for the podcast.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow mis today. Speaking of podcasts, Angela, what's on your
Speaker 1: mind which you want to talk about today?
Speaker 3: I want to talk about a lot. I want to
Speaker 3: talk about John F. Kelly, a different JFK who is
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's former Department of Homeland Security secretary and his
Speaker 3: former White House Chief of Staff saying that it turns
Speaker 3: out he actually is a fascist.
Speaker 1: Ah, thank you for mentioning that word, because today I
Speaker 1: would love for us to dig into what the heck
Speaker 1: gets fascism? What does it look like right now? Because
Speaker 1: I think some of us, you know, have thrown the
Speaker 1: term around and now we need to deepen into what
Speaker 1: does it mean in the event that we actually have
Speaker 1: to deal with a fascist president? And tiff, what's up?
Speaker 4: I want to talk about what's happening, and that is
Speaker 4: Vice President Harris's town hall, former President Trump's interview with
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan, and these early voting numbers. And I mean
Speaker 4: my question that I have for you guys is does
Speaker 4: anything make a difference at this point?
Speaker 1: Well, guess what we should get into your question on
Speaker 1: you cool with kicking your question off first?
Speaker 4: Yes, I think if I know correctly, there is a
Speaker 4: viewer who asked questions and that's right on topic.
Speaker 6: Let's here lamb pid Kelly Michelle again being greedy with
Speaker 6: another question. So there's been a lot of chatter in
Speaker 6: terms of the Harris campaign not investing enough into black media.
Speaker 6: I know she has a lot of people to please,
Speaker 6: but I guess the question is or the statement has
Speaker 6: been that it's been less than one percent that she
Speaker 6: has invested or they have invested into black media in
Speaker 6: terms of marketing and advertising dollars. I know that she
Speaker 6: is doing and making herculean effort in terms of reaching everyone. Charlemagne,
Speaker 6: she's going on thought, she's doing everything they ask her
Speaker 6: to do it. She says, Okay, but I guess the
Speaker 6: question again is do you have any ideas on why
Speaker 6: there aren't any marketing or advertising dollars spent on black
Speaker 6: media platforms?
Speaker 4: All right, So I like this question because we've talked
Speaker 4: about this a bit on the podcast before, and I'll
Speaker 4: just revisit it for folks, because this is not if
Speaker 4: you haven't worked in politics, This isn't common knowledge. So
Speaker 4: I'm appreciative of the viewer who gets it, who understands.
Speaker 4: So there's a difference between earned media and paid media,
Speaker 4: and so Vice President Harris has certainly, to her point,
Speaker 4: made a herculean effort with earned media. She did the
Speaker 4: Breakfast or not the Breakfast Club, but she sat down
Speaker 4: for the interview with Charlemagne, she did Roland Martin. She's
Speaker 4: also done niche media markets and some smaller interviews. As
Speaker 4: I just talked about in the intro, she's doing the
Speaker 4: CNN town hall, which is not specific to black media,
Speaker 4: but it certainly is relevant to what she's doing. She's
Speaker 4: participating in that by the time you guys hear this,
Speaker 4: it will have already taken place. But it took place
Speaker 4: in Chester Township, Pennsylvania. And this, just so you guys know,
Speaker 4: is the same night that she and Trump were supposed
Speaker 4: to debate again. He of course declined, and so CNN
Speaker 4: offered her this slot. I think that she has at
Speaker 4: a later effort, her campaign has started to put money
Speaker 4: in black media. I think it's a fair criticism. Might
Speaker 4: be curious what my co hosts have to say. I
Speaker 4: think it's a fair criticism of a lot of these campaigns.
Speaker 4: And I'm not just gonna say that to Vice President
Speaker 4: Harris because this goes down ballot for Senate racis where
Speaker 4: are you spending your dollars? And I remember us talking
Speaker 4: about this with them on the effort to go after
Speaker 4: those nicky Haley voters early on. So it is a
Speaker 4: fair question I think to ask, well, why aren't we
Speaker 4: spending more dollars in black media? My honest question at
Speaker 4: this point is what more can Vice President Harris do?
Speaker 4: Even what more can Donald Trump do? I don't really
Speaker 4: care about him, but I just think at this point
Speaker 4: it is already written the outcome of this race. If
Speaker 4: you are undecided, I don't believe that there are too
Speaker 4: many undecided voters. There might be people deciding to vote.
Speaker 4: But even if you're deciding to vote, what are you
Speaker 4: basing your decision on? At this point, it just like, yes,
Speaker 4: they should keep running and sprinting and doing everything. But
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going to tilt the skills outside
Speaker 4: of a GOTV game, Like how many people show up
Speaker 4: in early voting and how many people show up on
Speaker 4: election data cast ballots. That's the only thing that matters.
Speaker 4: I can't pull over polls fifteen different poles a day.
Speaker 4: I can't follow this, you know, rotten media narrative that
Speaker 4: they just like to keep people tuned in. They get
Speaker 4: something out of people feeling inks at this point, let's
Speaker 4: just let's get it done. But Angela Andrew, I know
Speaker 4: y'all may feel differently, so I'm curious if y'all think
Speaker 4: at this point that anything can change.
Speaker 1: Angela would love to hear in the media buying and
Speaker 1: then I love the question TI if I get through
Speaker 1: it after Angela.
Speaker 3: I do think that given the fact that the Harris
Speaker 3: campaign has raised over a billion dollars in three months,
Speaker 3: that they certainly could spend a lot more money with
Speaker 3: black lead organizations and with black lead media. I think
Speaker 3: that one, you know, frankly, our good brother and friend
Speaker 3: Lenard's interview with Kamala Harris and the fact that it
Speaker 3: is now as of today, over thirty five billion social
Speaker 3: impressions demonstrate that black facing content and hosts can actually
Speaker 3: be a much better strategy for candidates and campaigns than.
Speaker 5: What we normally see.
Speaker 3: I remember complaining, frankly when Kamala Harris went to do
Speaker 3: the interview with Dana Bash on CNN, wondering who she
Speaker 3: was going to get because the folks who are going
Speaker 3: to turn into that interview, for the most part, are
Speaker 3: attracted to and interested into interested in political media.
Speaker 5: What is my point?
Speaker 3: I think that it has everything to do with where
Speaker 3: you buy media and where.
Speaker 5: You participate in interviews.
Speaker 3: Those things can peacefully coexist and they can go on
Speaker 3: facing platforms. I'm saying black facing because some of black
Speaker 3: facing some but I get it.
Speaker 5: Some of them are not.
Speaker 3: Like Blackfast Club is on iHeart, but Black Effect is
Speaker 3: a black owned network that iHeart is in a venture
Speaker 3: with a joint venture with and so it makes sense
Speaker 3: that Breakfast Club airing that interview, Breakfast Club being on
Speaker 3: Black Effects and on iHeart, that actually can also build
Speaker 3: well for our communities. We have to pay attention to
Speaker 3: the fact that these seasons, and this is something that
Speaker 3: some white folks won't tell you, but this is the
Speaker 3: time of the year where people figure out ways to
Speaker 3: ensure their long term longevity and viability through the campaign season.
Speaker 3: They spend a lot of money. And it's not just
Speaker 3: black folks who figure out their survival during a campaign season.
Speaker 3: It is also white facing platforms. So that's a roundabout
Speaker 3: way to say, I think they could do more. They
Speaker 3: have done better in the final weeks leading up to
Speaker 3: the election, but I do think they could do more,
Speaker 3: and she should. I also think that she should go
Speaker 3: on more conservative platforms, but I'll save that for another
Speaker 3: part of the conference.
Speaker 5: Shure to hear.
Speaker 4: Your thoughts on that. If you were to save it
Speaker 4: five I'm curious for that.
Speaker 5: Andrew punted to me for media. I'll come back around.
Speaker 1: To that I wanted you for both. But I will say,
Speaker 1: to your point, exclamation marking it, something like seventy to
Speaker 1: eighty percent of these budgets are going to be spent
Speaker 1: in media, advise commercials, eighty percent of a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: And that's not to say what the outside groups are spending,
Speaker 1: you know, particularly on the Trump side, how much money
Speaker 1: they have. You know, they're just in the tang tif
Speaker 1: to your question, I think right now, she's got to
Speaker 1: try to win every day. I think every single day.
Speaker 1: It is about getting out there, being everywhere all the time.
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as oversaturation if you're Kamala Harrison,
Speaker 1: Tim Wallas at this point, because we needed to be
Speaker 1: at the forebrain of every single person. Not the ones
Speaker 1: who follow political podcasts and media, not the ones who
Speaker 1: are reading the paper every day, not those who are
Speaker 1: sleepless because they are so anxious about the outcome of
Speaker 1: this election, but regular folks who are not tuning in
Speaker 1: at this level, who are getting their news largely through
Speaker 1: somebody Snapchat and Instagram and Facebook feeds. They need to
Speaker 1: know that an election is approaching, and we ought to
Speaker 1: be trumpeting it like it's a second coming, right like
Speaker 1: this thing is going down and you can vote right now.
Speaker 1: I'm not certain that there is going to be much
Speaker 1: shift in people's opinion around whether they're going to vote
Speaker 1: for her or for Trump. I think you're right, things
Speaker 1: are baked in. But what I do think is turnout
Speaker 1: is going to be everything. So right now you'll see
Speaker 1: a lot of great historic numbers being posted for early
Speaker 1: voting and a lot of places that we're concerned about.
Speaker 1: But then on election Day, Trump's fokes come out and
Speaker 1: they wallop us. They wallop us on election day voting.
Speaker 1: We can't be beat like that on election day, which
Speaker 1: means every day we got to be voting. And then
Speaker 1: on election day we've got to have mass turnof from
Speaker 1: those people who weren't sure they were going to vote,
Speaker 1: who have now determined that this election is important enough
Speaker 1: they're showing up. And Angela, I wanted to hear you
Speaker 1: on this one too. I just wanted you to address
Speaker 1: the media thing because you had more expertise.
Speaker 3: Uh, well, I don't know about that. You actually ran
Speaker 3: a campaign and you know exactly how much how much
Speaker 3: I say, how much money money, Yeah, I'm ad buyers
Speaker 3: on the on the organizations and the corporations that got
Speaker 3: the advice, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5: You know, I think the other thing. I actually just
Speaker 5: want to get into the fascism conversations.
Speaker 4: I'll demeir you want to save your thing, your conservative
Speaker 4: your thoughts about her going on conservative platforms or fascism.
Speaker 3: No, I think I've been clear about my what I
Speaker 3: think she should do it conservative labor.
Speaker 4: I just feel like this, I'll say something, Well, then
Speaker 4: I'll say something I want to. Can we play the
Speaker 4: Hassam Minaj sound bite? Because I think he encapsulates a
Speaker 4: large voting block that I find that I find myself
Speaker 4: very frustrated with. Let's roll that bite.
Speaker 7: I'm part of a generation of men that don't read
Speaker 7: but listen to podcasts, terrifying.
Speaker 1: All my homies out here. Texting me alpha male means
Speaker 1: just hard times make hard men, hard men, make good times.
Speaker 1: Good times make soft men. A society will never value
Speaker 1: its men until the wolves are at the door. I'm like, Sanjay,
Speaker 1: you're a software engineer. Shut the fuck up. Why why
Speaker 1: are you texting me like you're Julius Caesar? Whatever? Bro
Speaker 1: Mamba mentality, Mamba mentality, Sanjay, you blew your knee out
Speaker 1: playing pickleball, and you're quoting Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 4: Now for all, I love Hassamnaj. I think he does
Speaker 4: such a great job of like a smart, funny humor.
Speaker 4: But this is kind of my challenge, and I think
Speaker 4: this kind of shifts us into the fascism conversation because
Speaker 4: there are these pockets of men who are seduced by fascism.
Speaker 4: I know we'll talk about it from a global perspective,
Speaker 4: Andrew and a historical perspective, but present day I'm having
Speaker 4: challenge is because you know, I said this to Andrew
Speaker 4: or earlier on the phone. It feels like sometimes ninety
Speaker 4: percent of the people function off the intelligence of ten
Speaker 4: percent of people. I say that because when I'm in
Speaker 4: debates with people, it's okay if you don't know. I
Speaker 4: don't know everything you know. I ask questions. When I
Speaker 4: don't know, I'm curious. I go on a fact finding
Speaker 4: mission when people have like I have personally sent Vice
Speaker 4: President Harris's Platform for Black Men to several people. I
Speaker 4: have personally had conversations with people outside of the black
Speaker 4: community on policy. I've even talked about them a few
Speaker 4: times on this show. And when the information is so
Speaker 4: readily available to you. It's not going to be spoon
Speaker 4: fed to you on fucking TikTok. It's not going to
Speaker 4: be handed to you on a silver platter like you do.
Speaker 4: Have to participate in this here, democracy and willful ignorance
Speaker 4: is a privilege. It's like somehow like our our history
Speaker 4: taught we didn't have that privilege, Like we had to
Speaker 4: be informed, we had to know what we were talking
Speaker 4: about to participate in this CYSM them. So I find
Speaker 4: myself increasingly frustrated with people who are like, no, I
Speaker 4: just choose to be ignorant. I know, I can I
Speaker 4: have this stuff right in front of my face or
Speaker 4: be honest about You're not ignorant, but you like the BS,
Speaker 4: the racism, the xenophobia, the misogyny that Trump espouses because
Speaker 4: you can't really he cannot beat her on policy. So
Speaker 4: curious y'alls thoughts?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, first of all, I love the I
Speaker 1: love the satire here, and sometimes it's the best way
Speaker 1: out of serious conversation is to get people with a
Speaker 1: laugh first, because I do think the implications of what
Speaker 1: was said there, you know, listening to podcasts, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's at least an exaggerated, an exaggerated form of hearing
Speaker 1: somebody's opinions or thoughts and maybe news, depending upon who
Speaker 1: you're hearing it from. But a lot of people are
Speaker 1: getting it from even less than that, a couple of
Speaker 1: seconds on a topic, arriving out of it as an expert. Right,
Speaker 1: But I do think, what what what was being joked about?
Speaker 1: This hyper masculinity that Trump is expecting from the podium
Speaker 1: is also showing up in these closing ads. Right, there's
Speaker 1: a reason why all over the country they got one line,
Speaker 1: their one closing argument is about transgend gender folk. The
Speaker 1: whole thing is boiled down to that. And you've got
Speaker 1: folks out here, now, you know, a lot of men
Speaker 1: and masculine men or maybe whatever that is. However you
Speaker 1: show up running around here thinking they're gonna get infected
Speaker 1: with with with with with with being you know, being
Speaker 1: trans by looking or being near or if they're on
Speaker 1: their kids teams or and the truth is is, like
Speaker 1: we're talking about the smallest, smallest, smallest percentage of people
Speaker 1: period in the world who are confronting unmitigated hate every
Speaker 1: single day, having to convince themselves that they're worth they're
Speaker 1: worth it to crawl out of bed and live right.
Speaker 1: But this is who they're taking direct aim at, and
Speaker 1: there's a reason for it. They want to make this
Speaker 1: feel like it's so big, it's so everywhere, and your
Speaker 1: kids are next, so that these folks. Yeah, so all
Speaker 1: these folks end up, you know, arriving at the polls,
Speaker 1: you know, hi for you know, hyped up on something
Speaker 1: because Trump told them that they were about to turn trands.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like, it doesn't even make sense,
Speaker 1: but that's kind of what's happening here. I think it's unfortunate,
Speaker 1: and I think it's lowbrow, and I think he's swinging
Speaker 1: at emotion here, but emotion can be a very very
Speaker 1: powerful motivator to voting.
Speaker 3: I do want to say, y'all, I have a bone
Speaker 3: to pick though with assimonage here, and that is.
Speaker 5: For the people who listen to podcasts, Please keep listening because.
Speaker 1: Especially this so come you home.
Speaker 3: We do not pooh pooh those who want to listen
Speaker 3: to podcasts, and hopefully you will read as well. Hopefully
Speaker 3: our podcast inspires you to read and not to espouse
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories. But you know, I may have one. I
Speaker 3: may actually have one. I think you guys that this
Speaker 3: whole idea of fascism is not something that just popped
Speaker 3: up with Donald Trump. I believe as Harry Reid, God
Speaker 3: rest his soul, said that Donald Trump is the Republican
Speaker 3: Party's Frankenstein. And to that end, I don't know if
Speaker 3: General Kelly agrees with us on the Frankenstein piece, but
Speaker 3: I do think he agrees with us on fascism.
Speaker 5: So if we can roll that clip that we begin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you what do you think?
Speaker 5: Do you think he's a fascist?
Speaker 8: Well, I'm looking at the definition of fascism. It's a
Speaker 8: far right, authoritarian, ulter nationalist political ideology and movement characterized
Speaker 8: by actoral leader, centralized hypocrisy, militarism, e flicible suppression of opposition,
Speaker 8: belief in a natural social hierarchy. So certainly, in my experience,
Speaker 8: those are the times he thinks we've worked better in
Speaker 8: terms of running America. You know, again back to this
Speaker 8: issue of U. You know, democracy is UH is complicated,
Speaker 8: UH messy to operate. Probably the worst kind of government
Speaker 8: there is except for all the other ones. I think
Speaker 8: Churchill ones said.
Speaker 7: That, and and and again.
Speaker 8: Our constitution are founder is built in to the Constitution
Speaker 8: into the way our government operates, built in a lot
Speaker 8: of checks and balances, and was didn't design the governess
Speaker 8: streamlined and whatnot. So but but certainly the former president
Speaker 8: UH is in the far right area, certainly an authoritarian,
Speaker 8: admires people who are dictators. He has said that, so
Speaker 8: he certainly falls into the into the general definition of
Speaker 8: of fascists for sure.
Speaker 3: I wanted to play that for all of the reasons
Speaker 3: that we know t if you were saying earlier on
Speaker 3: our production call that we do a lot of preaching
Speaker 3: to the choir, and so let's convene the church, because
Speaker 3: I think that it's important for us to talk about
Speaker 3: what fascism is. Of course, General Kelly in that clip
Speaker 3: runs down a definition. I'm curious to know what you
Speaker 3: all's definitions are and how this applies.
Speaker 5: Now. I definitely have some thoughts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just gonna say, if you wouldn't mind
Speaker 1: introducing who John Kelly is.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, sorry, I did that at the top of
Speaker 3: the show, but just to reiterate.
Speaker 5: John F. Kelly, not to be confused with John F.
Speaker 3: Kennedy, was Donald Trump's former chief of staff from twenty
Speaker 3: seventeen to twenty nineteen. Prior to serving in that role,
Speaker 3: he served as the Homeland Security Secretary for a whopping
Speaker 3: six months.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yes, so I have a lot of challenges with
Speaker 4: John Kelly there. I find him coming out at this
Speaker 4: point interesting. So fascism, it comes from the rise of fascism.
Speaker 4: Even the word fascist comes from an Italian word. It's
Speaker 4: like it's fascist but spelled differently. It sounds like I'm
Speaker 4: saying the same thing but spelled differently. And my thoughts,
Speaker 4: I would say fascism is an idea of worshiping an
Speaker 4: authority figure, and that authority figure invokes a cult like following,
Speaker 4: and they enforced their ideology through methods of violence and manipulation.
Speaker 4: Given that definition, I think that's what we are seeing.
Speaker 4: You form tight knit communities. And of course the United
Speaker 4: States remembers the rise of fascism in our recent history.
Speaker 4: We can go back a lot further, but in our
Speaker 4: recent history, Mussolini, this is how they invented the word fascism.
Speaker 4: Mussolini carried these twin visions and became the Prime Minister
Speaker 4: of Italy in nineteen twenty two, and he remains infamous
Speaker 4: to this day for his work. So yeah, I agree,
Speaker 4: with John Kelly. But I'll tell you, Angela, my challenge
Speaker 4: with all these never trumpers and people who work for
Speaker 4: the Trump administration and people who quit on January sixth,
Speaker 4: You knew exactly who this man was on January fifth, fourth, third,
Speaker 4: you know exactly who this man was in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, we knew exactly who this man was in
Speaker 4: the eighties. Our community knew exactly who this man was
Speaker 4: in the nineteen seventies. So again I would go back
Speaker 4: to my point of willful ignorance, because a part of
Speaker 4: cultivating this culture of violence does come I think from
Speaker 4: is nothing wrong. Obviously, we want people to continue to
Speaker 4: listen to these podcasts. But I love angel that you said,
Speaker 4: but please be sure to read as well. We are
Speaker 4: not reporters. You know, we're giving our opinion here. You know,
Speaker 4: there is a whole separate entity of news outlets, actual
Speaker 4: news outlets who are digging into stories, they're reporting things
Speaker 4: that happen, and we trust that you all can form
Speaker 4: your own opinions. We come here in exchange in healthy
Speaker 4: ideas and ideology about us. But even if somebody was saying, well,
Speaker 4: this is where I get my news from I would
Speaker 4: encourage you, like we the three of us that around
Speaker 4: and say we want to talk about these three things.
Speaker 4: It's a lot more happening. So I think fascism rises
Speaker 4: in ignorance. Well, the more informed populations are, the less
Speaker 4: likely popular popular populism is to rise. But Andrew, I
Speaker 4: want to hear because I know you want to talk
Speaker 4: about Pinoche. I definitely wanted to.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess for me the reason why this
Speaker 1: is really resonant or important is we hear the term
Speaker 1: fascism and fascism thrown out a lot, and I think
Speaker 1: people sort of adopt it as maybe just a political insult,
Speaker 1: but it's not just a trading of barbes between people.
Speaker 1: You're a fascist and you're a socialist and you're there's
Speaker 1: real meaning, there's real thought, there's a real ideology that
Speaker 1: informs this. Tiffany, you were just saying, how we knew
Speaker 1: who he was, We knew who he was, we knew
Speaker 1: who he was. That's right. But now he knows who
Speaker 1: we are. He knows that you can't put a giant,
Speaker 1: you can't put a general Kelly back in his cabinet.
Speaker 1: He knows the folks who went in under the intention
Speaker 1: that they could maybe guide the horse. Well, now this
Speaker 1: horse is buck He's not to be guided by anybody.
Speaker 1: He knows who his political foes are on the left
Speaker 1: and the right and so on and so forth, so
Speaker 1: he's not bringing them in and all. That's why I
Speaker 1: think the urgency of this when I hear Liz Cheney
Speaker 1: and also Kamala Harrison last night, or President Obama and
Speaker 1: so many other surrogates come out, this man unguarded, unchecked,
Speaker 1: with a Supreme Court that looks pretty much prepared to represtent,
Speaker 1: whatever he does is going to be out of control,
Speaker 1: out of control, and so the word, I guess fascism
Speaker 1: takes on new meaning for all of us. And you know,
Speaker 1: if we view it through this aspect, one definition that
Speaker 1: I sort of adopted is, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: many experts and mass political movement study now agree that
Speaker 1: fascism emphasizes nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of a nation
Speaker 1: for an individual, with the exception of the fact that
Speaker 1: it promotes a cult to personality. Fascist regimes cultivate images
Speaker 1: of their leaders as great figures to be loved and admired.
Speaker 1: I think we see and we hear this all the
Speaker 1: time with with with interviews coming directly from Trump. You know,
Speaker 1: Trump rallies. This model of government stands in contrast to
Speaker 1: liberal democracies. That's what we hold ourselves up as today
Speaker 1: and as the Framers put it, if we could keep it,
Speaker 1: liberal democracies supports individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.
Speaker 1: That's where we are today, where we appreciate those factors.
Speaker 1: But fascist regimes are revolutionary and nature. They advocate the
Speaker 1: overthrow of existing governments and persecution of their political enemies.
Speaker 1: These regimes are highly conservative in their championing of traditional values,
Speaker 1: and although fascist leaders typically claim to support every man,
Speaker 1: the everyday person, their regimes often align with powerful business
Speaker 1: and truest. Does any of this resonate with the folks
Speaker 1: on the listening end of this when you see Elon
Speaker 1: Musk going into his pocket prepared to spend a million
Speaker 1: dollars a day and what I believe is an illegal scheme,
Speaker 1: But either way, a million dollars a day and then
Speaker 1: writing checks three times seventy five million dollars a pop
Speaker 1: for true?
Speaker 4: Is that legal? Even now? I don't know that anybody
Speaker 4: go away in But because Angela worked on Angela. I
Speaker 4: will tell y'all is super aware and contest of compliance.
Speaker 4: So when I heard that, I'm like, I don't even
Speaker 4: know that's that's least in it.
Speaker 5: Right to the Department of Justice.
Speaker 3: Right to the Department Justice, Like there's you cannot buy
Speaker 3: or persuade people to vote a certain way. And even
Speaker 3: if you're saying it's you know, you're encouraging registration. We
Speaker 3: know what he's doing based on even how he's shifting
Speaker 3: the algorithm on Twitter. Sure, Elon Musk is a part
Speaker 3: of what happens in a fascist society. But I think
Speaker 3: one of the most telling things that John Kelly said
Speaker 3: in that interview was centralized hypocrisy. Centralized hypocrisy. It is
Speaker 3: not the unfolding of fascism now. It was the unfolding
Speaker 3: of fascism.
Speaker 9: Then.
Speaker 3: We saw fascism unfolding when he questioned Barack Obama's first
Speaker 3: certificate and where he was born. Right, We were a
Speaker 3: fascist society when they came out with a concept of
Speaker 3: alternative facts.
Speaker 5: It was a fascist society.
Speaker 3: When this man, this white man, because this is pertinent
Speaker 3: to the point, this white man could have three baby mothers,
Speaker 3: could go bankrupt. God knows how many times could have
Speaker 3: a loan from his father and still fumble the bag
Speaker 3: could get be indicted ninety one times reduced to eighty
Speaker 3: eight times. The judge who he appointed and was Senate
Speaker 3: confirmed throughout the case.
Speaker 5: Now she's being considered for Attorney general.
Speaker 3: It was fascism when Donald Trump new classified ad runs
Speaker 3: and it says wanted yes men only.
Speaker 5: That is fascism.
Speaker 3: It's fascism when it is religious nationalism, and the Christian
Speaker 3: Rights says the only candidate of choice is Donald Trump
Speaker 3: because he espouses Christian principles, and they turn a blind
Speaker 3: eye to every bit of violence. On January sixth, it
Speaker 3: was fascism when it was about ethnic nationalism and making
Speaker 3: America great again, and they harken back to a time
Speaker 3: that where black people were harmed the greatest. We have
Speaker 3: a major problem on our hand, and it is that hands,
Speaker 3: and it is that fascism began long ago, and folks
Speaker 3: are just realizing what it means.
Speaker 4: The fascism began long ago, even before this trumpet. I
Speaker 4: mean fascism came to the United States on the hills
Speaker 4: of Mussolini in the nineteen thirties. It was so bad
Speaker 4: here that even the Aco you had to come out,
Speaker 4: even though students, the history, you guys are rid of
Speaker 4: brown shirts, the white hit the yellow shirts, and to
Speaker 4: the point when they ran out of shorts and then
Speaker 4: it was like the black Shorts group. But fascism has
Speaker 4: penetrated American society for almost a century. So this has
Speaker 4: been rising slowly over the years. That's why I say
Speaker 4: when we black folks of all people, because we've been
Speaker 4: on the receiving end of it, know how to view it.
Speaker 4: And the way it was treated even then in the
Speaker 4: nineteen thirties was like a joke like Mussolini supporters, because
Speaker 4: it wasn't our government. Mussolini supporters are kind of like
Speaker 4: an inconvenience. And it got more and more intense and
Speaker 4: eventually became more violent. There's been a consistent rise of
Speaker 4: fascism in this country.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 1: The only exception I would take with its existence here
Speaker 1: in America is that it has not yet to this point,
Speaker 1: it had not yet taken over the whole of institutions
Speaker 1: at different levels of our society. There have been able
Speaker 1: to be checks and balances in the stages of fascism.
Speaker 1: I would agree that it has been long in the making.
Speaker 1: And I'll just just stay real quick with the five
Speaker 1: stages of fascism. According to political science. Researchers say, and
Speaker 1: one is emerging out of disillusionment. And we could all
Speaker 1: give examples to this. Number two established legitimacy as a
Speaker 1: political party. Third, gaining power via right wing partnerships. Fourth
Speaker 1: using power to dominate institutions. This is the stage I
Speaker 1: think we would be at in upon a second Trump administration.
Speaker 1: In fifth implementing radical reforms. And these are reforms that,
Speaker 1: over time take take away civil liberties, take away civil rights,
Speaker 1: take away chance, take it, take again all the all
Speaker 1: of the fomenting that we've seen and that we're experiencing
Speaker 1: right now. It almost feels like it doesn't happen overnight.
Speaker 1: But y'all don't pay attention to the signs. We we
Speaker 1: oftentimes don't pay attention to the signs as they are
Speaker 1: right here dangling in front of us, until all of
Speaker 1: a sudden we wake up. And then and then you know,
Speaker 1: it feels like the world has you know, it feels
Speaker 1: like the world has ended.
Speaker 3: I think we're well in it, and I hear your
Speaker 3: point that it's not. We're not all the way there
Speaker 3: or it's it's right in front of us. But I
Speaker 3: would argue that there are some institutions that have already
Speaker 3: been corrupted, including the Supreme Court, which we've talked about
Speaker 3: on the show, including the House of Representatives that could
Speaker 3: not select a speaker because of it. Like, I think
Speaker 3: that we really I think that we really cannot get
Speaker 3: away from that. I think the other thing that we
Speaker 3: have to pay attention to, and this is why I
Speaker 3: agree with you Tip that it was long before Trump,
Speaker 3: but he became the poster child, the singular face of it,
Speaker 3: the authoritarian ruler, the dictator rule, right like that. Before that,
Speaker 3: it was the trifectas in state governments that Republicans were
Speaker 3: long pushing now to be fair, In twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: there were seventeen states where Democrats had a trifecta, but
Speaker 3: there were twenty two where Republicans had a trifecta, and
Speaker 3: four more where there were super majorities veto proof majorities
Speaker 3: in those states, those were by design and by with intention,
Speaker 3: right they pursued having these full, full single party rules
Speaker 3: on the state level that only helped Donald Trump. Some
Speaker 3: of you at home may be saying, why, well, there's
Speaker 3: such thing as a constitutional convention, and if they ever
Speaker 3: want to amend the Constitution, they have to have two
Speaker 3: thirds of us of the States agree with them to
Speaker 3: change or to add an amendment to the Constitution. This
Speaker 3: is by design, and it has been in play for
Speaker 3: a really long time. I wouldn't say since the nineteen
Speaker 3: twenties and thirties, but I would say it's been by
Speaker 3: design for a long time.
Speaker 4: Since Rage, it has been no.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, I like, we've seen shifts and then
Speaker 3: we've seen it go back. I'm saying by design on
Speaker 3: the Republican level, with the Koch brothers, with Alec, with
Speaker 3: all of these things, at least since the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 3: with Reagan, I will say.
Speaker 4: Thirty posts, a new deal, and the whole warrior is so, the.
Speaker 1: Whole fascism came out of the time, the period between
Speaker 1: World War I'm not confused about that.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that you're your friend. We're not saying you're confused.
Speaker 4: I think you're making a point for the audience.
Speaker 1: Andrew, Yeah, I am trying to make a point for
Speaker 1: the audience, which is simply to say there is a
Speaker 1: period under which fascism got its definition in an end
Speaker 1: its examples, which were obviously first through Mussolini and then
Speaker 1: through Hitler. But what I'm saying about the reason why
Speaker 1: I don't want people to believe that we have survived
Speaker 1: through this is that it gets we're talking about when
Speaker 1: you look at the examples of fascism that is extreme,
Speaker 1: uh in part in all parts of the world. And
Speaker 1: we've seen it in South America, we've seen it in
Speaker 1: are obviously Europe. But you're talking about militaries that then
Speaker 1: become compliant to a to a to First a president
Speaker 1: who then fit who legally through through liberal democracies, comes
Speaker 1: into power. But then while they're in power, they change rules, laws, constitutions,
Speaker 1: implementing documents, so on and so forth, so that they
Speaker 1: extend the life of their term to forever until they die.
Speaker 1: They then uh get rid of constitutions and civil liberties.
Speaker 1: We then lose hold of our own personal rights. And
Speaker 1: it's it's it will come in the blink of an eye, y'all.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has already told when you vote, you don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about voting again. He's already said I
Speaker 1: may just stay president, live there, right, stay there for life.
Speaker 1: He's already told us, I'll be a dictator, but only
Speaker 1: on day one. He's already said that the enemies are
Speaker 1: enemies from within, and therefore I can, as the commander
Speaker 1: in chief, compel the US military and the National Guard
Speaker 1: to intervene against my domestic enemies. That's not what That's
Speaker 1: not how democracies work. That is not how liberal democracies work.
Speaker 1: And so I just what, Let's believe the man when
Speaker 1: he says a thing that he's going to do. Let's
Speaker 1: believe him. Because now no guardrails, and already one of
Speaker 1: the institutions have fallen to him, the US Supreme Court
Speaker 1: and thereby the Court's rule of law. It's all in
Speaker 1: his pocket. So to me, the threat is the threat
Speaker 1: is so huge. And I just think that for those
Speaker 1: of us, I know, we're not preaching to the choir,
Speaker 1: because you know, we're all in the choir. We're all
Speaker 1: in this together. But we have to I think, use
Speaker 1: the time between now an election day to move as
Speaker 1: many people as we possibly can to the polls who
Speaker 1: may not understand the strength of this threat, but know
Speaker 1: that something's not right. I just think we have to.
Speaker 1: This is the time that we've got to activate. When
Speaker 1: you asked, Tiff, what can change? Only thing that can
Speaker 1: change is the force and the strength by which we
Speaker 1: all moved to move people to the polls.
Speaker 4: And to this, I think I think you Ally was
Speaker 4: gonna say, what's gotta change right now is the break?
Speaker 4: But I want to pick up on Angela's plan on
Speaker 4: the other side, because I think Angela is one hundred
Speaker 4: percent right. Is here is happening now, So what do
Speaker 4: we do about that? So we'll pick that up on
Speaker 4: the other side.
Speaker 10: Former President Obama was back out and invoke the potential
Speaker 10: of sexism in his appeal to black men to support
Speaker 10: the vice president. Was it a mistake for the former
Speaker 10: president to say what he did? What was your That's
Speaker 10: what we heard from former President Obama.
Speaker 3: You know, I think that it's wonderful that President Obama
Speaker 3: is out hitting the trail for democracy, frankly, And what
Speaker 3: I think is a mistake is to let white folks
Speaker 3: escape their accountability that they must face for not showing
Speaker 3: up to save democracy themselves. Like they want to get
Speaker 3: mad at presidential candidates right when they don't wear a
Speaker 3: flag lapel pin or they don't see you pledging allegiance
Speaker 3: to the flag. That's what they want to get upset about. Now,
Speaker 3: the face of patriotism to them looks like trying to
Speaker 3: tear down the Capitol in a terrorist attack on January sixth,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. So the responsibility of saving democracy should
Speaker 3: be on the largest demographic in this country, that is
Speaker 3: white men and white women. So I wanted to play
Speaker 3: that for y'all, not because you aren't completely tired of
Speaker 3: hearing my voices, and you can hear it right now,
Speaker 3: but just because I think it's been fascinating to me
Speaker 3: speaking of fascism the way this clip has been run. Now,
Speaker 3: listening to it on the back in, I can understand.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to be fair. Listen, if they hear
Speaker 3: things from all sides, Maybe because I referenced January sixth,
Speaker 3: they thought I was calling for another insurrection. Maybe that's
Speaker 3: what they were doing, but that's not happening, especially because
Speaker 3: people who I love dearly, who are my professional family,
Speaker 3: work on Capitol Hill. So certainly I'm not calling for
Speaker 3: violence on Capitol Hill or anywhere else for that matter.
Speaker 5: But I'm fascinated to understand y'all.
Speaker 3: How since we did see it in together promoting our
Speaker 3: Detroit Live show shout out to Atlanta. We will be
Speaker 3: there with you all on Friday. How in the world
Speaker 3: they got for my words, this church girl's words.
Speaker 5: On accountability? How that is violence?
Speaker 3: There have been and TIF made this point earlier on
Speaker 3: our production call too. It's not reasonable people who are
Speaker 3: making this point. But when I tell you, one Republican
Speaker 3: tweeter posted it, and all of the Republican rags, all
Speaker 3: of the papers, all of their blogs ran with the
Speaker 3: exact same thing. Their discipline is on point. Y'all shout
Speaker 3: up a slow clap for y'all's discipline.
Speaker 5: But you're wrong, and you know you're wrong.
Speaker 3: And so I just I wanted to just have a
Speaker 3: conversation with y'all briefly as we get out of fascism,
Speaker 3: to like go into accountability and what accountability looks like
Speaker 3: to y'all, because it looks very different to me than
Speaker 3: what has been espoused on these platforms, Like they know
Speaker 3: that's not what I miss. So I want to hear
Speaker 3: what y'all think accountability actually means.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I obviously understood your point Angela about accountability.
Speaker 4: I think accountability is the child of responsibility, and I
Speaker 4: think we all have a responsibility to this here democracy.
Speaker 4: I think you know this would happen every week on
Speaker 4: my show, and Angela, you know, stranger to this every
Speaker 4: time you're on TV. You know they clip it. Andrew,
Speaker 4: for sure, you don't check a lot of things, but
Speaker 4: I imagine if you check your social media Instagram, you'd be
Speaker 4: tagged in a lot of these right wing things. So
Speaker 4: it seems so big to us because we have ourselves
Speaker 4: Google News Alert and we get it. But the truth
Speaker 4: is this is a small sect of society. I think
Speaker 4: the people left on Twitter at this point, Twitter is
Speaker 4: not what it once was. So these right wing mag
Speaker 4: these fringe outlets, it's a small group of people who
Speaker 4: are trying to drum up this thing. It becomes real,
Speaker 4: Angela because when you're saying accountability and someone takes that
Speaker 4: a different way and they start attacking you personally, and
Speaker 4: you start getting emails. I mean I've gotten letters to
Speaker 4: my house before, I've gotten detailed to my website about
Speaker 4: the detail on which ways they would rape me or
Speaker 4: what they would do to family members. And so you
Speaker 4: consume all these words and it's like, I, you know,
Speaker 4: I maybe it's a fringe outlet of people. Maybe it's
Speaker 4: only five thousand people who read this, but the impact
Speaker 4: of that is very real. That is fascism. That is
Speaker 4: how fascism is one hundred percent right here, and that's
Speaker 4: how it becomes violent. Reasonable people understood exactly even if
Speaker 4: they disagreed, Even if there were white people who said, well,
Speaker 4: I don't know about that, they could disagree. Reasonab people
Speaker 4: understood your point. Responsibility, accountability, like you all are willing
Speaker 4: to throw it all away to vote for this man.
Speaker 4: Don't show us no more sound bites of black men.
Speaker 4: Don't be in no more round tables of black men
Speaker 4: talking about that they don't represent anybody, They don't represent
Speaker 4: a large enough constituency because most black men are supporting
Speaker 4: Vice President Harris. Angelo's point was talk to conservative white
Speaker 4: people about how they're going to vote, because they're the
Speaker 4: ones who voted overwhelmed across all socio economic background. They
Speaker 4: voted overwhelmingly for him in twenty sixteen and again in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty, and they appear to be poised to do
Speaker 4: that again. So I understood what you were saying, Angela,
Speaker 4: And I will tell you I was in the fire
Speaker 4: one time, and Angela's been in the fire. A lot,
Speaker 4: and we are two different people people. They've literally had
Speaker 4: a headline of like Tiffany Cross said this blah blah blah,
Speaker 4: and it was Angela's picture on the cover of it.
Speaker 4: And so then I started getting tags easy like Tiffany said,
Speaker 4: we got a whole white people kind of I'm like,
Speaker 4: that was Angela. I agree, I echoed my sister, but
Speaker 4: was not me. But I understood what you were saying.
Speaker 4: And I'm also just sorry that you have to go
Speaker 4: through that, because I know what that's like. I know
Speaker 4: you frustrating.
Speaker 3: I really brought this up as an example, and what's
Speaker 3: hoping we could have a broader conversation about accountability period,
Speaker 3: because I think that that is a word that does
Speaker 3: mean something very different to some of these white folks.
Speaker 5: I'm not talking about even the French.
Speaker 3: I think when they hear accountability, just like when they
Speaker 3: hear power sharing power with black people, sharing power people
Speaker 3: of color is a terrifying concept to them because of
Speaker 3: how they've abused it historically. Accountability one and the same
Speaker 3: facing accountability to a slaveholder was whipping your slaves, right,
Speaker 3: That's not what accountability means to me, Andrew.
Speaker 5: I want to hear what you were say about accountability.
Speaker 1: Why I was just say your words were clear. You
Speaker 1: said the responsibility for saving democracy is to march themselves
Speaker 1: to the polls. I don't know what was violent about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know what was calling for violence about that.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a true statement that quite frankly,
Speaker 1: if white men and white women were to give us
Speaker 1: the majority, give liberal democracy, give common sense, give us
Speaker 1: right the majority of their votes, we all would be
Speaker 1: over all would be done settled. But I think as
Speaker 1: we see and said we've all said in different ways
Speaker 1: on this show, different voters come to the polls with
Speaker 1: different motivations, and if there, if they are where they are,
Speaker 1: they're there for a reason. They have decided to prioritize
Speaker 1: something else over what we believe is is the priority,
Speaker 1: which is small d democracy and all the other things
Speaker 1: that we care about. And they've decided that maybe what
Speaker 1: is in their best interests is a white nationalist fascist
Speaker 1: as president who will protect their part of the earth.
Speaker 1: And I think that's unfortunate and shortsighted, and just like
Speaker 1: Rome never thought it would fall, you know, a great Britain,
Speaker 1: once the superpower of the globe, thought it would never
Speaker 1: fall in its empire, Russia and its empire. Empires do fall, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they And again it's you know, we don't think
Speaker 1: it happens overnight, but in a blink of an eye
Speaker 1: we look up.
Speaker 4: But I think that's the point angels making. It does
Speaker 4: not happen overnight, like we are crumbling now, We've been
Speaker 4: crumbling for centuries. I wanted to hear more about what
Speaker 4: you were saying, Angela about because I think that's such
Speaker 4: a key point and feeds to Andrew's point about fascism.
Speaker 4: The point that you're making why white people are afraid
Speaker 4: of that word accountability and you were creating a wrinkle
Speaker 4: in time between that and enslavement and that and oppression
Speaker 4: and how white people have used power. I would love
Speaker 4: to make that point so it could be my own,
Speaker 4: but I want you to finish. I want you to
Speaker 4: finish what you were saying, because I think that's such
Speaker 4: a key point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I think that I see power differently, right,
Speaker 3: Like I was raising the house with an activist who
Speaker 3: taught us about the Rainbow Coalition. I'll like Reverend Jackson
Speaker 3: and the fact that if we gain power and if
Speaker 3: we gain access, then we are gaining access for everyone.
Speaker 3: That's the point that our good friend Latasha Brown is
Speaker 3: always making when I'm talking about accountability. It is in
Speaker 3: the tradition of the Black Church, accountability means you repent,
Speaker 3: you confess, you repent, you turn from your wicked ways,
Speaker 3: and you go in another direction. Right Like, to me,
Speaker 3: that isn't about being chastised, and it certainly isn't about violence.
Speaker 3: I don't like to kill spiders. I like we try
Speaker 3: to pick them up in knapkins and throw them outside. Now,
Speaker 3: if it jump out the napkins, spider me and you
Speaker 3: have a problem.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: But other than that, I really don't believe. I don't
Speaker 3: believe in violence. I don't want to be violent. I
Speaker 3: grew up in a non violent tradition. Now I believe
Speaker 3: in self defense, you know, But I just I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think that ultimately, when they have to face the
Speaker 3: music on why they are hearing things in this way,
Speaker 3: it's because of their own experiences and their own ancestral
Speaker 3: memory and what they're carrying in their DNA, and they
Speaker 3: also have to face accountability for that. They got to
Speaker 3: come to terms with what that is and why therapy
Speaker 3: y'all go I believe in it.
Speaker 5: I approved this message.
Speaker 4: Also, like the pain that we carry from it, just
Speaker 4: to acknowledge it. Because you're not saying none of us
Speaker 4: are saying like every white person is bad, every white
Speaker 4: person is doing something. But white people do benefit from
Speaker 4: a system that oppresses us largely, and we have to
Speaker 4: be careful not to equate classism and racism, you know,
Speaker 4: because then I've been on panels with people were like,
Speaker 4: I grew up poor and my family didn't have anything,
Speaker 4: and I made it myself. It's like, yeah, you still
Speaker 4: had certain benefits. Like we all, most of us grew
Speaker 4: up poor in our community. Look at the world's gap.
Speaker 4: Most of us came from nothing and built ourselves up.
Speaker 4: Our hurdles that we had to scale looked a lot different.
Speaker 4: The hurdles that we had to leap looked a lot different.
Speaker 4: From there. There may be some commonality, but it still
Speaker 4: looked different. Andrew, I'm curious because you keep saying like
Speaker 4: in the blink of an eye, it happens. Do you
Speaker 4: think we are at the line crossing, like we have
Speaker 4: crossed the line into fascist.
Speaker 1: I think I think this is the election that will
Speaker 1: determine that. I don't disagree with you that we've had again,
Speaker 1: if there's stages to this thing, if this thing happens,
Speaker 1: and I think the assault on facts was the beginning
Speaker 1: of it. The fact that we had a whole administration
Speaker 1: that tried to convince us that they were you were
Speaker 1: entitled to your own set of facts, that there's no
Speaker 1: common anything, there's no common truth, there's no common right,
Speaker 1: there's no common understand there's none of that. Dismiss with
Speaker 1: all of that. And when you dismiss, when you suspend
Speaker 1: with a free press and an arbiter of truth and
Speaker 1: non truth, and you get to be that for yourselves.
Speaker 1: Hold up everybody, because now you're telling me to go
Speaker 1: check a source. Why is that source the source to check?
Speaker 1: Why isn't mine the right source? Why isn't Fox News Bible?
Speaker 1: Why isn't Why isn't what I listened to and the
Speaker 1: shows that I patronize, Why why isn't that the fact?
Speaker 1: Why isn't that true? And so the getting rid of that,
Speaker 1: and I think we are at that stage. I don't
Speaker 1: think that they're shared belief between what's real and what
Speaker 1: isn't the fact that Donald Trump went out and told
Speaker 1: people that FEMA was only for a certain group of people,
Speaker 1: and if you made this much in the government was
Speaker 1: taking your houses and all that I mean just flat
Speaker 1: out lies. But guess what those lies took flight amongst
Speaker 1: a group of people. The next thing I just wanted
Speaker 1: to say is on this point of Angela mentioned Reverend
Speaker 1: Jackson in the political ideology that helped to shape her
Speaker 1: own friend Man right. I think we have to acknowledge
Speaker 1: that there are other models and examples of how you
Speaker 1: deal with power, what you do to get it, and
Speaker 1: how you keep it, other models that have been I
Speaker 1: think the majoritarian belief since the beginning of time, which
Speaker 1: is power is a limited quality, is of limited supply,
Speaker 1: and that it must be harbored and held and kept
Speaker 1: to me. And if it's shared with anybody, that's sharing
Speaker 1: means the loss of mind. So it's a zero sum game.
Speaker 1: Whereas many of us were brought into believed in a
Speaker 1: tradition that power is infinite, there is no limit to it.
Speaker 1: In fact, the more the more you give it, the
Speaker 1: more you get. Have you ever empowered somebody who you
Speaker 1: work with? Have you ever empowered an intern and said
Speaker 1: why don't you go do this? They don't they use
Speaker 1: that as a responsibility to grow in an example. But
Speaker 1: they're still looking to you as a leader. You haven't
Speaker 1: lost anything. So but if you believe that if you
Speaker 1: share power, and I think this is true of many
Speaker 1: of the folks who are bought in the brought up
Speaker 1: in the eurocentric a line of thinking of what power
Speaker 1: is is that it's limited and I've got to cheap
Speaker 1: it where all my mind you will, you will strip
Speaker 1: my fingers from it. Versus let's be ubiquitous with it. Everybody,
Speaker 1: get some.
Speaker 5: You know one thing that we should do.
Speaker 3: We know that part of what's happened with fascism and
Speaker 3: the teflon down is that most of what is thrown
Speaker 3: at him doesn't stick, including eighty eight plus felony indictments.
Speaker 3: I would say, though that get got Giuliani. That was
Speaker 3: not his story, and so he is now having to
Speaker 3: face accountability for what he's done and is not a
Speaker 3: violent sense of accountability. But child, did he get God
Speaker 3: for all of his resources? Let's roll the clip of
Speaker 3: the woman who.
Speaker 4: Oh, can we sorry? Can we play what Juliani said first? Okay,
Speaker 4: if you don't mind, because I want them to hear
Speaker 4: exactly he should be accountable tip.
Speaker 5: I was like, that's a great idea.
Speaker 3: Let's take take this basics of hooked on phonics class
Speaker 3: to the clip.
Speaker 11: Of Ruby Freeman and Shae Freeman Laws and one other
Speaker 11: gentleman quite obviously surreptitiously passing around us B ports as
Speaker 11: if they are vials of heroin or cocaine. I mean, it's.
Speaker 7: Obvious to anyone who's a criminal investigator or prosecutor they
Speaker 7: are engaged in surreptitious illegal activity again that day and
Speaker 7: after a week ago, and they're still walking around Georgia.
Speaker 7: Line should have been they should have been should have
Speaker 7: been questioned already. There are places of work, their homes
Speaker 7: should have been searched for evidence of ballots, for evidence
Speaker 7: of us V ports, for evidence.
Speaker 1: Of voter fraud.
Speaker 3: Before we get to this clip of Ruby Freeman, I
Speaker 3: just want to remind you all that that man who
Speaker 3: tried to compare taking USB hard drives to vials of
Speaker 3: cocaine is also the man that has been disbarred over
Speaker 3: these false election claims.
Speaker 5: That he's associated with the.
Speaker 3: And has been made to pay over one hundred and
Speaker 3: forty eight million dollars in damages for destroying these women's lives.
Speaker 3: He is also being charged with a felony related to
Speaker 3: trying to get falsified documents related to Donald Trump's election.
Speaker 5: Results in Arizona.
Speaker 3: So Giuliani is, he's got some problems on his hands,
Speaker 3: but let's see how he's taking these problems to the
Speaker 3: wrong one and he found out with accountability.
Speaker 9: For now, I want people to understand this money will
Speaker 9: never solve all of my problems. I can never move
Speaker 9: back into the house that I called home. I will
Speaker 9: always have to be careful about where I go and
Speaker 9: who I choose to share my name with. I miss
Speaker 9: my home, I miss my neighbor, and I miss my name.
Speaker 9: I've heard some of you. Don't be sad for me.
Speaker 9: Don't waste your time being angry at those who did
Speaker 9: this to me and my daughter. We are more than conquerors.
Speaker 9: Pray for us as we continue to fight the good
Speaker 9: fight of faith.
Speaker 3: When we say that democracy is built on the backs
Speaker 3: of black people, particularly black women, Ruby Freeman is the
Speaker 3: type of black women who has led the charge historically
Speaker 3: and for many centuries, preserving a democracy that many times
Speaker 3: did not even support or look out for. Her and
Speaker 3: Rudolph William Louis Giuliani is the poster child of what
Speaker 3: it looks like when white supremacy intersects with democracy and
Speaker 3: believes that democracy is only for the few. That is fascism,
Speaker 3: if nothing else. This man tried to file for bankruptcy
Speaker 3: the day after the judgment, the defamation suit judgment, where
Speaker 3: he would have had to fork over the cash to
Speaker 3: pay these women for the lies that he told about them,
Speaker 3: for the death threats they then faced, and for ruining
Speaker 3: their reputations and their ability to further uphold elections and
Speaker 3: the processes that they have spent their lives protecting for us.
Speaker 5: That's all I got to say about.
Speaker 4: Well, black women are disproportionately lesson workers in Georgia, so
Speaker 4: Missus Freeman and Missus Freeman mass This wasn't the clip
Speaker 4: that we played, but there she was defiant. There, you
Speaker 4: know she had seen some level of justice. But I
Speaker 4: just want to remind people that on during the January
Speaker 4: sixth hearing where she actually testified, she was broken. I mean,
Speaker 4: she was tearful as she recounted what she had gone through.
Speaker 4: And she's known as Lady Ruby, and she asked, do
Speaker 4: you know what it's like to have the president of
Speaker 4: the United States and his kind make you a target
Speaker 4: of them. You Also, we didn't hear from Shae Mass,
Speaker 4: her daughter, but Shae Moss was saying, I'm my mother's
Speaker 4: only child. I have a child, my grandmother's only grandchild.
Speaker 4: And they talked about not being able to leave and
Speaker 4: people confronting them. Shay Moss phone kept bringing over and
Speaker 4: over and over and over because he was thocks they
Speaker 4: couldn't go out together like they were the recipients of
Speaker 4: all types of threats. So I'm happy to see her
Speaker 4: like upbeat and getting something. But I have to say
Speaker 4: I remember watching their testimony in real time. I mean
Speaker 4: it was gripping. It was gripping to see these two
Speaker 4: black women face a congressional hearing and detail for the
Speaker 4: United States government what they had gone through. And they
Speaker 4: both cried through their testimony. That is the result of fascism,
Speaker 4: That is the result of violence. And those are the
Speaker 4: people for everyone who was conflicted about how I don't
Speaker 4: believe y'all really exists. But if there are people out
Speaker 4: there who still trying to decide between Trump and Vice President,
Speaker 4: here is he empowered people to displace these two black
Speaker 4: women who are bigger patriots than you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know Tiffany overcoming and coming through trauma.
Speaker 1: One day can be those teary I can't put a
Speaker 1: word or a sentence together, and the next day can
Speaker 1: be I can do this. This is strength. Thank you
Speaker 1: Lord for you know, bathing me in the good sense
Speaker 1: and my health and my strength. And then the next
Speaker 1: day fall right back into that place when you think
Speaker 1: about the neighborhood you can no longer live in, or
Speaker 1: the alias name that you go by because you're terrified
Speaker 1: if they hear your real name, what might meet you
Speaker 1: on the other side of those words. She was scared
Speaker 1: to order food, that's right.
Speaker 4: She couldn't because she didn't want to give her name.
Speaker 4: He couldn't even order food.
Speaker 1: So that and they will live with that, as she said,
Speaker 1: no matter the amount of money they get, that that's
Speaker 1: staying they'll live with forever. Why because alternative facts have
Speaker 1: convinced the whole half of the country to a narrative
Speaker 1: that they'll never disbelieve. And they'll always look at these
Speaker 1: women as as as to who got something undeserving, something
Speaker 1: they didn't deserve for being black. Probably that's what they
Speaker 1: trumpet up in their minds. To be. But this is
Speaker 1: another reason why I don't think we can. We can.
Speaker 1: You don't give power, You don't give more power to
Speaker 1: peep to a person like Donald Trump and Juliani. Who
Speaker 1: who does with power what they did to these two
Speaker 1: women and and countless others who we can't name, right,
Speaker 1: and I loved, In fact, I love to see the
Speaker 1: Central Park five file suit uh recently against Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Sorry, not that that's the same thing, but they did
Speaker 3: too on the the cease and desist for Yeah, have
Speaker 3: the right to use somebody's words and twist them? How
Speaker 3: do you feel like you have the right to say
Speaker 3: that somebody cheated when they didn't on an election? How
Speaker 3: do you feel like you have the right to accuse
Speaker 3: these young people who have been exonerated of rape and
Speaker 3: you still out here like what is wrong with you?
Speaker 4: I have to tell you, Angela, that ad is playing
Speaker 4: in Atlanta on repeat to back to back to back,
Speaker 4: and it's clear who they're targeting. I've only read it.
Speaker 4: I didn't go back and watch. How were his words
Speaker 4: taken out of context? So I've only read it and
Speaker 4: in the context, you only read the quote, But what
Speaker 4: exactly was he saying?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think, well, I know that he's what he said
Speaker 3: repeatedly is the point was that he was watching the
Speaker 3: ad and he knew that it was like her words
Speaker 3: were taken out of context. This was Leonard and Enby talking.
Speaker 3: They knew that her words were taken out of context.
Speaker 3: And they were talking about how they were doing something
Speaker 3: else and listening and were like, I want my to
Speaker 3: Experimentney going to that. Like they were saying how effective
Speaker 3: the ad was and problematic, like because they heard another
Speaker 3: one and now they're using that splice. They spliced the
Speaker 3: original ad with them responding to the ad, if that
Speaker 3: makes sense.
Speaker 4: But Vice President here, so this is just so people
Speaker 4: may not seeing that. But Vice President here was saying
Speaker 4: that she supported gender affirming care. And I think it
Speaker 4: wasn't they the way they cut it. I think they
Speaker 4: were talking about prisons, but I think she was referencing
Speaker 4: people in ice detention. I'm not being exact at I
Speaker 4: don't I don't have to vange that, but it was
Speaker 4: it was something to that extent, And so Charlemagne and
Speaker 4: dj Envy were saying, if that is the case, they
Speaker 4: did not want their No, that they didn't They.
Speaker 3: Were saying that they knew that in that moment that
Speaker 3: they had cut a small portion of her answer in
Speaker 3: an interview and it was taken out of context. But
Speaker 3: because like you're focused on football, they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I heard this, and I'm like, that's it's effective. That's
Speaker 3: all they were saying, Like.
Speaker 4: It was affected.
Speaker 3: But they made it seem like, you know when you're like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that, like you're saying how
Speaker 3: you initially responded, but they're saying that that was lifted
Speaker 3: out of context because this is this wasn't even the point.
Speaker 3: They're like, they're doing a great job at targeting us
Speaker 3: because that almost worked on me.
Speaker 4: But that so I think we got to have a
Speaker 4: conversation about this at some point because that can't be
Speaker 4: the thing that's effective. And you know, it's like the
Speaker 4: trans community and this is it is ubiquitous here, like
Speaker 4: even in Issmosis walking down the street, like people have
Speaker 4: so much to say about it, and I don't know
Speaker 4: the statistics off the top of my head, but it
Speaker 4: is for sure less than three percent of society. Gender
Speaker 4: affirming care is not something that impacts all of these people,
Speaker 4: and they are making it their central ad and I
Speaker 4: just I wish that that was not an effective ad.
Speaker 4: I wish people could just look at that and say,
Speaker 4: who gives a shit? Like I'm worried about my mortgage,
Speaker 4: I'm worried about my tastes.
Speaker 5: I'm worried about because there are people.
Speaker 4: No, I want to hear what you have to say.
Speaker 4: I want to hear what you have to say, but
Speaker 4: I'm making the point like that it should not be effective,
Speaker 4: Like that can't be the effective ad. Even if you're
Speaker 4: saying this is a big deal, we're essentially saying, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: if that was what she was saying, then yes, I
Speaker 4: would be mad that my tax dollars were going to
Speaker 4: pay for gender care. And I'm saying that, right, there
Speaker 4: is an issue, But do you know all the things
Speaker 4: that your tax dollars that And I think that that's
Speaker 4: the point, Like there are a ton of people who
Speaker 4: are frustrated about AID going to Ukraine, AID going to Israel,
Speaker 4: AID going to all these places when they're hurting, and
Speaker 4: so I think it's literally harping on a place like
Speaker 4: you guys know, you don't have the resources you.
Speaker 3: Once had, in part thanks to Donald Trump's tax credits. Right,
Speaker 3: that did not help you, but there are all these
Speaker 3: things that are benefiting United States taxpayer dollars, and this
Speaker 3: is another one, and you're like, but when is it
Speaker 3: going to benefit me? So they're playing that up and
Speaker 3: they use familiar faces in our community to justify that ad.
Speaker 3: But I think that there is a larger conversation to
Speaker 3: be held about where our taxpaer dollars are going, how
Speaker 3: they're being spent, and to ensure that the same thing,
Speaker 3: just like power should not be from a scarcity model,
Speaker 3: neither should our taxpayer dollars. We should be ensuring that
Speaker 3: Medicaid is not on the chopping block, that Medicare is
Speaker 3: not on the chopping block, that insulent Donald Trump comes
Speaker 3: back in office is not going skyrocket back up. There
Speaker 3: are a bunch of things that we need to be
Speaker 3: talking through, but the main thing that we need to
Speaker 3: understand is there's only one candidate in the race to
Speaker 3: ensure that your taxpayer dollars are treated with respect and
Speaker 3: that you are not hurting and in harm's way, And
Speaker 3: it wasn't just a STEMI check that ensured that you
Speaker 3: were not in harms way. That is the larger conversation.
Speaker 3: They took one moment, though something where people are saying,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I want my taxpayer dollars to
Speaker 3: go to that, especially because the full thing was not
Speaker 3: It wasn't And even man, I'm gonna be honest with you,
Speaker 3: there are a lot of folks, church folks, you know,
Speaker 3: folks in between. You don't understand. There are people's children
Speaker 3: who don't understand and don't want to support that.
Speaker 5: That is a really.
Speaker 3: Tough position to put people in when they don't see
Speaker 3: their taxpayer dollars even fully funding SNAP benefits.
Speaker 4: Right, But that I guess that's my issue, Angela, because
Speaker 4: it's like they aren't the ad they running are not
Speaker 4: talking about tax dollars going to Ukraine. They're running are
Speaker 4: not talking about tax dollars going to anything but gender.
Speaker 4: They decided that's the thing that we can tap into
Speaker 4: black men about and if there are black women, know
Speaker 4: they are black men, if they are black people there No,
Speaker 4: I'm talking about this specific ads, not just turn black
Speaker 4: men is. Let me just let me. I'm saying their intention,
Speaker 4: whoever is benefitting from it, their intention with all that's fine,
Speaker 4: I'm looking at the imagery on and where these ads
Speaker 4: are being run by night. Yes, yes they don't because
Speaker 4: there's no place where only black people are tuning in.
Speaker 4: But that ad for sure is meant to target black
Speaker 4: men being men men men. Well, they've used black imagery.
Speaker 4: They have him Trump surrounded by black men in the
Speaker 4: stills they use, and it is all over Atlanta. It's
Speaker 4: not all over DC. It wasn't all over Detroit, but
Speaker 4: it's definitely all over It's absolutely I didn't see Detroit
Speaker 4: like that's what I'm saying, Well, that's what I think.
Speaker 4: That's a national but I'm saying in Atlanta like billboards everywhere.
Speaker 4: But either way, that's I guess beside the point. I
Speaker 4: think the issue I'm saying is that cannot be the
Speaker 4: issue that gets us. It's like we're saying, you know, well,
Speaker 4: we're going to shoot on this group of people because
Speaker 4: we don't like that or we don't understand it, or
Speaker 4: next is going to be the migrants.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 4: That's the the discussion I think we need to have,
Speaker 4: and I don't. I don't know how to have it
Speaker 4: because I you know, I have it privately with people
Speaker 4: who I've heard say things. My Glam team was saying
Speaker 4: something about the lgbt CO community, but it was focused
Speaker 4: on trans people, and I don't I don't know, guys.
Speaker 4: I just think it's that that can't be the thing
Speaker 4: that we let divide us. And it's not even a
Speaker 4: large enough statistic that it is impacting, like our tax dollars,
Speaker 4: all the things we pay for it. That's not even
Speaker 4: a big thing. And they've buying you.
Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah, But I think I think this campaign is
Speaker 1: being run on two totally different planes. I think Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris's effort is in large part appealing to the logic, logic,
Speaker 1: the intellect, in the respect of the voters that they
Speaker 1: care about these issues that they say they care about
Speaker 1: the economy, expanding opportunity, making sure that women have access
Speaker 1: to health and their own reproductive choice decisions. And then
Speaker 1: you've got Donald Trump here running an ad that is
Speaker 1: strictly about grievance and emotion. And I think this is
Speaker 1: in some ways a battle between what is the aspirational
Speaker 1: where we want to go as a country, and the
Speaker 1: other is completely an assault on culture, appealing to the
Speaker 1: emotions in the fears of people, stoking that grievance and
Speaker 1: stoking that fear. And I think the election results are
Speaker 1: pretty much going to be a contest between whether or
Speaker 1: not we're voting our future and aspiration or we're voting
Speaker 1: our fears, our in our other rising or other rhythms.
Speaker 1: And the truth is is that both have been effective
Speaker 1: in elections over the course of over the course of
Speaker 1: our lives. Of our lives, they've both been effective. And
Speaker 1: so this is going to me, that's the context.
Speaker 4: Say it again, is one more effective than the other
Speaker 4: in your opinion?
Speaker 1: I mean, I love when I feel hopeful and as
Speaker 1: you know, and aspired to, but I also know I
Speaker 1: lose sleep over things that cause me to be afraid
Speaker 1: or concerned, particularly when it comes to my children or
Speaker 1: my family.
Speaker 4: And that's what they've always is one more effective for you?
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think that it's not about what works
Speaker 3: for me or works what works on me, because I
Speaker 3: come at this with a little bit of a bias
Speaker 3: and my point of privileges that I've worked in this
Speaker 3: this is the only thing that I have worked in
Speaker 3: right other than TV. And so what I can say
Speaker 3: is that it has been extraordinarily effective since the beginning
Speaker 3: of time. Fear works. Terrorizing people works, It gets you,
Speaker 3: It forces people into doing the thing that they are
Speaker 3: not there they're reluctantly doing. And so, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: fear sadly has been a part of our political discourse,
Speaker 3: from Bill Clinton's sister Souldia moment to Willie Horton.
Speaker 5: To you know, Donald Trump. I mean that was a
Speaker 5: fraidiance that Ronald Reagan's war on drugs.
Speaker 4: You know, the welfare black welfare queen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, crime, crime is overriding our communities. People are saying
Speaker 3: that they're being impacted by crime, but crime rates are
Speaker 3: going down, but they still feel like they're seeing more
Speaker 3: car jackings and robbing and all of those things.
Speaker 5: Like so it's.
Speaker 1: Reagan also had an aspirational sense too, Okay, to your point, right,
Speaker 1: it was make America regagain. But like we're the city
Speaker 1: upon a hill, you know, we're the thing to be
Speaker 1: the light, the shining beacon of the world. Let's get
Speaker 1: back to that. Obama, Kennedy good examples of aspirations. We
Speaker 1: can turn the page, we can have hope, we can
Speaker 1: we can be better.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that it has they communicate our.
Speaker 4: Both, No, nobody's discreeing with you, Angel I think Andrew's
Speaker 4: making a plan and I'm like, yes, that is a
Speaker 4: good through line. Because they were aspirational and they didn't
Speaker 4: call them the Great Communicator for nothing, and that man
Speaker 4: won forty nine states with that. So I think you're
Speaker 4: just talking about what's effective and what's not.
Speaker 1: I think they both are affected, and I do think
Speaker 1: it matters the mood that people are in. If you're angry,
Speaker 1: you're mad about the price of this and and Donald
Speaker 1: Trump has told you who to blame.
Speaker 5: For that's it.
Speaker 1: You're walking in there.
Speaker 4: One way and me, can I ask you a quick question.
Speaker 4: The u a w President came out this week and
Speaker 4: said that, let's be honest, we know a lot of
Speaker 4: our members are going to vote for Trump. The Democrats
Speaker 4: need to learn how to better frame messaging to the
Speaker 4: working class. I surmise that the white was silent and yeah,
Speaker 4: but do you all think that that Democrats do have
Speaker 4: to improve their messaging, especially if y'all are saying fear works,
Speaker 4: Like do Democrats need to be talking about policy or
Speaker 4: is there a fear on the other side to say
Speaker 4: you are taking us to a fascist government? Like how
Speaker 4: can they harness this messaging strategy if it makes any
Speaker 4: difference at all? So they're based.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's disingenuous to say that Democrats are
Speaker 3: not trying to also harp on fear. And by the way,
Speaker 3: harping on fear doesn't mean they're not legitimate fears, right,
Speaker 3: It just means they were pointing them out. The focus
Speaker 3: on Project twenty twenty five is a fear based tactic.
Speaker 3: The focus on Donald Trump as a fascist is a
Speaker 3: tear is a fear based tactic. The focus on him
Speaker 3: having control over all the courts and every level of
Speaker 3: government is a fear based tactic. The focus on January
Speaker 3: sixth is a fear based tactic. It doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: those things are not real, but they are harping on
Speaker 3: our greatest fears. On Donald Trump's side, focusing on migrants
Speaker 3: taking over the country is a fear based tactic. I
Speaker 3: also think it's false. Focusing on the inability to have
Speaker 3: a fear election and they're sure therefore we should never
Speaker 3: have another election is a fear based tactic. Also, nets,
Speaker 3: let me stop doing this because I'm gonna keep pointing
Speaker 3: out all the reasons why he lies.
Speaker 4: We could go on for.
Speaker 1: And guess what. But the test is is that I
Speaker 1: do believe the test is where they close what do
Speaker 1: they want people to have on their minds as they
Speaker 1: are going to vote, and you are well. I think
Speaker 1: all of us would say, probably without debate, that Donald
Speaker 1: Trump has made his bed in the fear column, that
Speaker 1: he is betting on the other rising of Americans and
Speaker 1: your fear of what you don't have, and that person
Speaker 1: is to blame for it, as as the decision factor
Speaker 1: for you, And I think for Kamala it's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be a little bit of both. I think she's going
Speaker 1: to be reminding women about what they have at Steak.
Speaker 1: I think she's going to be reminding those of us
Speaker 1: who are believers in democracy what we have at Steak.
Speaker 1: But I also think she's saying, we can put an
Speaker 1: end to this mess. We can turn the page right
Speaker 1: now to the kind of future that you and I
Speaker 1: and our children and our children show children want to
Speaker 1: walk into you. And we'll see which is more effective
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. I have a belief,
Speaker 1: but we'll see.
Speaker 4: Can we invoke some fear right now? These are your bites, Andrew,
Speaker 4: but I want to play them.
Speaker 5: I want to.
Speaker 4: I know rap, but I've said the show, but this
Speaker 4: could be the way we close the show. As far
Speaker 4: as I'm well, this won't be the way we close
Speaker 4: the show. I want you all to hear this is
Speaker 4: fear base, but it is a reasonable rational fear. Can
Speaker 4: we please play the two sound bites from Donald Trump
Speaker 4: from this week alone.
Speaker 12: Under no circumstances you are promising America tonight.
Speaker 7: You would never abuse power as retribution against anybody.
Speaker 12: Except for day one, except he's going to christ except
Speaker 12: for day one.
Speaker 1: Meaning I want to close the border and I want
Speaker 1: to drill. That's not that's real, that's not that's not retribution.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be I'm gonna you know, I love
Speaker 1: this guy. He says, you're not going to be a dictator,
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 12: I said no, no, No other than day one, we're
Speaker 12: closing the border and we're drilling, drilling, drilling.
Speaker 1: After that, I'm not a dating Okay. That sounds to
Speaker 1: me like you're going back to Trump knew exactly what
Speaker 1: he was saying, the violence and the retribution. He skipped
Speaker 1: over it and talked policy. But he knows exactly what
Speaker 1: was being.
Speaker 4: Because we don't know that except for day one. Can
Speaker 4: encompass a lot of things. But let's take another look.
Speaker 4: Because the interesting thing and I don't to be fair,
Speaker 4: I don't know if that was from this week, but
Speaker 4: for for sure recent history this month, Sureles made another exactly,
Speaker 4: he made other comments, and the entire GOP came out
Speaker 4: and saying, oh, he didn't mean it, he didn't mean it.
Speaker 4: He didn't mean it. I want you all to hear
Speaker 4: in his own words, who he considers an enemy. Take
Speaker 4: a listen.
Speaker 12: That's an enemy from within. That's really that is a
Speaker 12: threat to democracy. These are bad people. We have a
Speaker 12: lot of bad people. But when you look at Shifty
Speaker 12: Shift and some of the others, U, yeah, they are
Speaker 12: to me, the enemy from with it. I think Nancy
Speaker 12: Pelosi is an enemy from within.
Speaker 4: Well, he goes on to say, he goes on to
Speaker 4: name Adam Schiff and other people.
Speaker 1: He also goes on to say he would use the military.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We also point out this is after Nancy Pelosi's husband
Speaker 3: was damn near beat to death in her home. Like,
Speaker 3: this is insane. This man, he's targeting our friends. He's
Speaker 3: targeted literally recently targeted one of our friends. After after
Speaker 3: after Sonny asked a question of Kamala Harris on the View,
Speaker 3: he went after Sonny, he went after WHOOPI Goldberg like, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, this man went after Joy, went after Yeah, you.
Speaker 5: Know that was right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to stop excusing and letting Republicans get
Speaker 1: away with excuses shaping. I know we're not but but
Speaker 1: but but I mean, I mean the media. It's not
Speaker 1: just the media. I'm talking about the royal we of
Speaker 1: all of us, which is he doesn't really mean it.
Speaker 1: He doesn't really mean it. It may not apply to
Speaker 1: anybody on this podcast. I may I apply to you
Speaker 1: listening in your own car, but it applies by and
Speaker 1: large to the royal we who keep thinking that there's
Speaker 1: a check on him, that he can't do what he
Speaker 1: wants to do. And by the way, he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to do what he said he wants to do. Anyway,
Speaker 1: y'all are just exaggerating that. Excuse time out for it.
Speaker 1: The man is telling us, in plain sight exactly what
Speaker 1: he wants to do, and I believe them. And that's
Speaker 1: exactly why don't I don't believe you get another shot at.
Speaker 3: The We didn't play the clip of him talking about
Speaker 3: what would happen with funding from the Department of Education
Speaker 3: for schools that taught that this country was built at
Speaker 3: the hands of slaves and that it was on stolen land.
Speaker 5: He said that he would defund those schools. I think
Speaker 5: it's important for us to note that as well.
Speaker 3: That is fascism. To end with the show in the
Speaker 3: show there, that is the point. Can we end on
Speaker 3: a happy night?
Speaker 4: And can we talk about the show?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Are we going to do a mini pod and then
Speaker 4: we need to talk about the show.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get hope and change and many pride?
Speaker 4: Really do y'all want to talk about hope and change
Speaker 4: on the mini bus?
Speaker 1: We could talk about well, we could.
Speaker 4: Want to talk about I don't know, Angela, what you got? Okay,
Speaker 4: Well we don't know what we're going to talk about,
Speaker 4: So stay tuned, pod tune into the mini pot. Can
Speaker 4: I tell you the mini pody?
Speaker 3: I tell you that's something I'm taking a point of
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Speaker 1: We close, guys, any reflections on Detroit one for me?
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, Thank you who came out and
Speaker 1: sat down.
Speaker 4: Anybody else, I thank you. It was a good show.
Speaker 4: I am a little annoyed because Angela stole my cta,
Speaker 4: but yes, my cta was gonna be. Angela's birthday is Saturday.
Speaker 4: Everybody joined me and whizzing her happy birthday. She keeps saying,
Speaker 4: the only things you want for her birthday is to
Speaker 4: win the election and to do got Andrew.
Speaker 1: We will, obviously we can do better than just winning
Speaker 1: the election. For your birth you know.
Speaker 4: We're gonna make it decide you guys.
Speaker 5: Ever, I don't know. Maybe we talk about this on
Speaker 5: the pot, but I'm like actually annoyed.
Speaker 3: I don't want anything else I can when I tell you,
Speaker 3: I can't think of anything else. I want to knock
Speaker 3: on doors with my friends. I want to do phone banking.
Speaker 3: If we go out to eat for snacks, I wanted
Speaker 3: to talk to people in the restaurant like. I don't
Speaker 3: know if like as gloom and doom as I was
Speaker 3: like outside of seat he today, I don't know if
Speaker 3: I am feeling like I.
Speaker 5: Really believe we can convince stuff.
Speaker 3: I believe we can convince some people to change their
Speaker 3: minds if they haven't turned into dog off ballats yet.
Speaker 3: So I watch y'all to come see us, even if
Speaker 3: you disagree. I want you to come see us on
Speaker 3: Friday at the Gathering Spot. So my birthday wish from
Speaker 3: the audience is come see us at the Gathering Spot
Speaker 3: on ten twenty five. My shout out is to one
Speaker 3: of our listeners who says she's a big fan from
Speaker 3: New Jersey and she came to Detroit to see the show,
Speaker 3: and she was so glad she did.
Speaker 5: So we're so glad we got to beat you. Sis.
Speaker 3: Forgive me for not knowing your name right now, but
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look it up and shout you out next
Speaker 3: week as well. So we are so grateful.
Speaker 4: That was my favorite part.
Speaker 5: You're so grateful.
Speaker 4: That was my favorite part. We had a meet and
Speaker 4: greet before if y'all saw our live, we were talking
Speaker 4: about that after the show wrapped. Angel you had to
Speaker 4: run because you were running to a flight, guys, and
Speaker 4: then Isla popped up in a wardrobe, say she left,
Speaker 4: and then little Pink too, you want to.
Speaker 5: Be closing a plane.
Speaker 4: I thought you left and I didn't know that you
Speaker 4: just went to that. I thought you left and went
Speaker 4: back to the hotel and everything. That makes a lot
Speaker 4: more sense. I was like, where did she go and
Speaker 4: get back that past? Okay, that makes sense. But I
Speaker 4: loved being able to come face to face with people,
Speaker 4: to hear what people like, and you know, just meeting
Speaker 4: our listeners because we feel like we know y'all from
Speaker 4: y'all comments and your questions, and we invite that. I
Speaker 4: kept telling everybody put it on video and send it
Speaker 4: to us. But that was honestly my favorite part. So
Speaker 4: if y'all come to the gathering spot on Friday, like
Speaker 4: we're not untouchable, you know, like we will mingo, we'll
Speaker 4: chat with you guys. We'll here, we'll take your questions,
Speaker 4: and hopefully we'll have time in the show. I don't know,
Speaker 4: I haven't seen the run down, but hopefully we'll have
Speaker 4: time in the show to have some interactive you know,
Speaker 4: we live with.
Speaker 3: You guys, dude with black Men. I feel like was honestly,
Speaker 3: you guys. I hate to be biased, but I think
Speaker 3: Detroit was my favorite podcast ever. It was it felt
Speaker 3: it felt like it felt like we centered what we
Speaker 3: wanted to discuss and voices. It wasn't about somebody with
Speaker 3: the platform. To me, it really was about hearing different
Speaker 3: perspectives and being engaged in a conversation.
Speaker 5: It felt very It felt like welcome home.
Speaker 3: It felt like a home kitchen table conversation, and I
Speaker 3: really really enjoyed that. So thank y'all so much for
Speaker 3: what you did to facilitate this amazing space every week,
Speaker 3: TIF and Andrew.
Speaker 4: It's no this the Detroit, but my favorite, to be
Speaker 4: honest was Kim's Kim Black Oh that was Mia one too, Yes,
Speaker 4: because it was interactive. We didn't have guests like we
Speaker 4: just they could hear us talk and they could talk
Speaker 4: with us. And everybody in that room had such wisdom
Speaker 4: to lay out and had such deep interpersonal thoughts and
Speaker 4: political strategy. Y'll take a like delivered a sermage. You know,
Speaker 4: I just remember every comment. I'm like, man, we could.
Speaker 4: I wanted to cut that entire episode for social media because,
Speaker 4: like all of it was so amazing, and I like
Speaker 4: it when it's less guests. I know the viewers like
Speaker 4: to have guests, but I like to have audience interacts,
Speaker 4: you know. I like to hear from our viewers, and
Speaker 4: I think our viewers want to hear what we have
Speaker 4: to say. And I like when they can stand up
Speaker 4: and say, I don't know, Taveny, I disagree with that,
Speaker 4: or like, I don't know Angela, I might have a
Speaker 4: different thought, or like I love They always said we
Speaker 4: love you Andrew, we voted for you, Andrew.
Speaker 5: I love a g I love all the episodes, interested
Speaker 5: none of them are my favorite. He got three kids.
Speaker 1: They know they've all been different. Each of them have
Speaker 1: all been different and have offered something I think very
Speaker 1: special and unique to the listeners to be able to
Speaker 1: walk away from because they certainly offered something different to me,
Speaker 1: but all of them different and I love that part
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 5: Well, can I just shout out one more thing?
Speaker 3: We had April Variton, who is the first black woman
Speaker 3: president of s c IU ever. She joined us on
Speaker 3: Saturday and to trade as well. Like even being six,
Speaker 3: she was like, I'm knocking doors, I'm come talk to y'all.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna figure this out. That is a no limit
Speaker 3: soldier right there. So April, we see you. We're very
Speaker 3: grateful for your partnership for you, yes, and we got
Speaker 3: your back for show.
Speaker 1: So yes, that's real. We should all be pulling her
Speaker 1: because when they win, we all win. Yeah, come on,
Speaker 1: get it done. But before we end the show, y'all,
Speaker 1: I want to remind everyone to please leave us a
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Speaker 1: We are Angelo Ride, Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gilliam. Welcome home, everybody.
Speaker 1: We've got just twelve right twelve until election.
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