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Speaker 1: Native lamp Pod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership

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Speaker 1: with Recent Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Home, y'all. This is episode counted forty seven of Native Lamppod,

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Speaker 1: where we give you our breakdown on all things politics

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Speaker 1: and culture. Please help me. Welcome our co hosts, my

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Speaker 1: co host Tiffany Cross and Angela Raie. What's up ladies,

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Speaker 1: Andrew and of course I'm manager Gillam. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: the introduction. Angel How y'all doing your respected places great?

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Speaker 3: It's glooming right now in here. Yeah, I mean I'm

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Speaker 3: in Seattle. Is just gray. It's not rainy, it's just

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Speaker 3: gray right now. It's turning in the fall.

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Speaker 4: You could have been here.

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Speaker 3: I could not have been there. But I will see

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Speaker 3: you this weekend shortly. I will see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's it.

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Speaker 5: But technically today for the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow mis today. Speaking of podcasts, Angela, what's on your

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Speaker 1: mind which you want to talk about today?

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about a lot. I want to

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Speaker 3: talk about John F. Kelly, a different JFK who is

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's former Department of Homeland Security secretary and his

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Speaker 3: former White House Chief of Staff saying that it turns

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Speaker 3: out he actually is a fascist.

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Speaker 1: Ah, thank you for mentioning that word, because today I

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Speaker 1: would love for us to dig into what the heck

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Speaker 1: gets fascism? What does it look like right now? Because

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Speaker 1: I think some of us, you know, have thrown the

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Speaker 1: term around and now we need to deepen into what

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Speaker 1: does it mean in the event that we actually have

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Speaker 1: to deal with a fascist president? And tiff, what's up?

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Speaker 4: I want to talk about what's happening, and that is

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Speaker 4: Vice President Harris's town hall, former President Trump's interview with

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Speaker 4: Joe Rogan, and these early voting numbers. And I mean

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Speaker 4: my question that I have for you guys is does

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Speaker 4: anything make a difference at this point?

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Speaker 1: Well, guess what we should get into your question on

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Speaker 1: you cool with kicking your question off first?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think if I know correctly, there is a

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Speaker 4: viewer who asked questions and that's right on topic.

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Speaker 6: Let's here lamb pid Kelly Michelle again being greedy with

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Speaker 6: another question. So there's been a lot of chatter in

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Speaker 6: terms of the Harris campaign not investing enough into black media.

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Speaker 6: I know she has a lot of people to please,

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Speaker 6: but I guess the question is or the statement has

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Speaker 6: been that it's been less than one percent that she

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Speaker 6: has invested or they have invested into black media in

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Speaker 6: terms of marketing and advertising dollars. I know that she

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Speaker 6: is doing and making herculean effort in terms of reaching everyone. Charlemagne,

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Speaker 6: she's going on thought, she's doing everything they ask her

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Speaker 6: to do it. She says, Okay, but I guess the

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Speaker 6: question again is do you have any ideas on why

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Speaker 6: there aren't any marketing or advertising dollars spent on black

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Speaker 4: All right, So I like this question because we've talked

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Speaker 4: about this a bit on the podcast before, and I'll

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Speaker 4: just revisit it for folks, because this is not if

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Speaker 4: you haven't worked in politics, This isn't common knowledge. So

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Speaker 4: I'm appreciative of the viewer who gets it, who understands.

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Speaker 4: So there's a difference between earned media and paid media,

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Speaker 4: and so Vice President Harris has certainly, to her point,

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Speaker 4: made a herculean effort with earned media. She did the

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Speaker 4: Breakfast or not the Breakfast Club, but she sat down

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Speaker 4: for the interview with Charlemagne, she did Roland Martin. She's

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Speaker 4: also done niche media markets and some smaller interviews. As

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Speaker 4: I just talked about in the intro, she's doing the

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Speaker 4: CNN town hall, which is not specific to black media,

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Speaker 4: but it certainly is relevant to what she's doing. She's

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Speaker 4: participating in that by the time you guys hear this,

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Speaker 4: it will have already taken place. But it took place

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Speaker 4: in Chester Township, Pennsylvania. And this, just so you guys know,

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Speaker 4: is the same night that she and Trump were supposed

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Speaker 4: to debate again. He of course declined, and so CNN

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Speaker 4: a later effort, her campaign has started to put money

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Speaker 4: in black media. I think it's a fair criticism. Might

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Speaker 4: be curious what my co hosts have to say. I

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Speaker 4: think it's a fair criticism of a lot of these campaigns.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not just gonna say that to Vice President

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Speaker 4: Harris because this goes down ballot for Senate racis where

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Speaker 4: fair question I think to ask, well, why aren't we

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Speaker 4: spending more dollars in black media? My honest question at

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Speaker 4: this point is what more can Vice President Harris do?

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Speaker 4: Even what more can Donald Trump do? I don't really

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Speaker 4: it is already written the outcome of this race. If

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Speaker 4: many undecided voters. There might be people deciding to vote.

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Speaker 4: But even if you're deciding to vote, what are you

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Speaker 4: basing your decision on? At this point, it just like, yes,

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Speaker 4: they should keep running and sprinting and doing everything. But

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Speaker 4: I don't know what's going to tilt the skills outside

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Speaker 4: of a GOTV game, Like how many people show up

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Speaker 4: in early voting and how many people show up on

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Speaker 4: election data cast ballots. That's the only thing that matters.

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Speaker 4: I can't pull over polls fifteen different poles a day.

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Speaker 4: I can't follow this, you know, rotten media narrative that

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Speaker 4: they just like to keep people tuned in. They get

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Speaker 4: something out of people feeling inks at this point, let's

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Speaker 4: just let's get it done. But Angela Andrew, I know

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Speaker 4: y'all may feel differently, so I'm curious if y'all think

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Speaker 4: at this point that anything can change.

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Speaker 1: Angela would love to hear in the media buying and

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Speaker 1: then I love the question TI if I get through

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Speaker 1: it after Angela.

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Speaker 3: I do think that given the fact that the Harris

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Speaker 3: campaign has raised over a billion dollars in three months,

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Speaker 3: that they certainly could spend a lot more money with

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Speaker 3: black lead organizations and with black lead media. I think

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Speaker 3: that one, you know, frankly, our good brother and friend

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Speaker 3: Lenard's interview with Kamala Harris and the fact that it

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Speaker 3: is now as of today, over thirty five billion social

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Speaker 3: impressions demonstrate that black facing content and hosts can actually

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Speaker 3: be a much better strategy for candidates and campaigns than.

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Speaker 5: What we normally see.

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Speaker 3: I remember complaining, frankly when Kamala Harris went to do

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Speaker 5: What is my point?

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Speaker 3: I think that it has everything to do with where

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Speaker 5: You participate in interviews.

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Speaker 3: Those things can peacefully coexist and they can go on

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Speaker 3: facing platforms. I'm saying black facing because some of black

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Speaker 5: Some of them are not.

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Speaker 3: Like Blackfast Club is on iHeart, but Black Effect is

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Speaker 3: that Breakfast Club airing that interview, Breakfast Club being on

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Speaker 3: well for our communities. We have to pay attention to

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Speaker 3: the fact that these seasons, and this is something that

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Speaker 3: time of the year where people figure out ways to

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Speaker 3: ensure their long term longevity and viability through the campaign season.

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Speaker 3: They spend a lot of money. And it's not just

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Speaker 3: black folks who figure out their survival during a campaign season.

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Speaker 3: It is also white facing platforms. So that's a roundabout

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Speaker 3: way to say, I think they could do more. They

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Speaker 3: have done better in the final weeks leading up to

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Speaker 3: the election, but I do think they could do more,

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Speaker 3: and she should. I also think that she should go

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Speaker 3: on more conservative platforms, but I'll save that for another

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Speaker 3: part of the conference.

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Speaker 5: Shure to hear.

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Speaker 4: Your thoughts on that. If you were to save it

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Speaker 4: five I'm curious for that.

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Speaker 5: Andrew punted to me for media. I'll come back around.

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Speaker 1: To that I wanted you for both. But I will say,

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Speaker 1: to your point, exclamation marking it, something like seventy to

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Speaker 1: eighty percent of these budgets are going to be spent

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Speaker 1: in media, advise commercials, eighty percent of a billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: And that's not to say what the outside groups are spending,

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Speaker 1: you know, particularly on the Trump side, how much money

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Speaker 1: they have. You know, they're just in the tang tif

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Speaker 1: to your question, I think right now, she's got to

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Speaker 1: try to win every day. I think every single day.

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Speaker 1: It is about getting out there, being everywhere all the time.

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Speaker 1: There's no such thing as oversaturation if you're Kamala Harrison,

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Speaker 1: Tim Wallas at this point, because we needed to be

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Speaker 1: at the forebrain of every single person. Not the ones

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Speaker 1: who follow political podcasts and media, not the ones who

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Speaker 1: know that an election is approaching, and we ought to

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Speaker 1: I'm not certain that there is going to be much

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Speaker 1: for her or for Trump. I think you're right, things

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Speaker 1: are baked in. But what I do think is turnout

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Speaker 1: But then on election Day, Trump's fokes come out and

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Speaker 1: they wallop us. They wallop us on election day voting.

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Speaker 1: We can't be beat like that on election day, which

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Speaker 1: means every day we got to be voting. And then

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Speaker 1: on election day we've got to have mass turnof from

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Speaker 1: who have now determined that this election is important enough

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Speaker 1: they're showing up. And Angela, I wanted to hear you

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Speaker 1: on this one too. I just wanted you to address

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Speaker 1: the media thing because you had more expertise.

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Speaker 3: Uh, well, I don't know about that. You actually ran

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Speaker 3: a campaign and you know exactly how much how much

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Speaker 3: I say, how much money money, Yeah, I'm ad buyers

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Speaker 3: on the on the organizations and the corporations that got

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Speaker 5: You know, I think the other thing. I actually just

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Speaker 5: want to get into the fascism conversations.

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Speaker 4: I'll demeir you want to save your thing, your conservative

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Speaker 4: your thoughts about her going on conservative platforms or fascism.

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Speaker 3: No, I think I've been clear about my what I

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Speaker 3: think she should do it conservative labor.

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Speaker 4: I just feel like this, I'll say something, Well, then

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Speaker 4: I'll say something I want to. Can we play the

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Speaker 4: Hassam Minaj sound bite? Because I think he encapsulates a

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Speaker 4: large voting block that I find that I find myself

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Speaker 4: very frustrated with. Let's roll that bite.

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Speaker 7: I'm part of a generation of men that don't read

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Speaker 7: but listen to podcasts, terrifying.

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Speaker 1: All my homies out here. Texting me alpha male means

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Speaker 1: just hard times make hard men, hard men, make good times.

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Speaker 1: Good times make soft men. A society will never value

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Speaker 1: its men until the wolves are at the door. I'm like, Sanjay,

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Speaker 1: you're a software engineer. Shut the fuck up. Why why

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Speaker 1: are you texting me like you're Julius Caesar? Whatever? Bro

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Speaker 1: Mamba mentality, Mamba mentality, Sanjay, you blew your knee out

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Speaker 4: Now for all, I love Hassamnaj. I think he does

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Speaker 4: Have to participate in this here, democracy and willful ignorance

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Speaker 3: I do want to say, y'all, I have a bone

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Speaker 1: Especially this so come you home.

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Speaker 5: So if we can roll that clip that we begin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you what do you think?

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yes, so I have a lot of challenges with

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Speaker 1: These regimes are highly conservative in their championing of traditional values,

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Speaker 1: and although fascist leaders typically claim to support every man,

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Speaker 1: the everyday person, their regimes often align with powerful business

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Speaker 1: and truest. Does any of this resonate with the folks

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Speaker 1: on the listening end of this when you see Elon

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Speaker 1: Musk going into his pocket prepared to spend a million

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Speaker 1: dollars a day and what I believe is an illegal scheme,

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Speaker 1: But either way, a million dollars a day and then

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Speaker 1: writing checks three times seventy five million dollars a pop

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Speaker 1: for true?

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Speaker 4: Is that legal? Even now? I don't know that anybody

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Speaker 4: go away in But because Angela worked on Angela. I

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Speaker 4: will tell y'all is super aware and contest of compliance.

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Speaker 4: So when I heard that, I'm like, I don't even

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Speaker 4: know that's that's least in it.

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Speaker 5: Right to the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 3: Right to the Department Justice, Like there's you cannot buy

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Speaker 3: or persuade people to vote a certain way. And even

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Speaker 3: if you're saying it's you know, you're encouraging registration. We

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Speaker 3: know what he's doing based on even how he's shifting

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Speaker 3: the algorithm on Twitter. Sure, Elon Musk is a part

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Speaker 3: of what happens in a fascist society. But I think

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Speaker 3: one of the most telling things that John Kelly said

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Speaker 3: in that interview was centralized hypocrisy. Centralized hypocrisy. It is

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Speaker 3: not the unfolding of fascism now. It was the unfolding

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Speaker 3: of fascism.

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Speaker 9: Then.

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Speaker 3: We saw fascism unfolding when he questioned Barack Obama's first

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Speaker 3: certificate and where he was born. Right, We were a

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Speaker 3: fascist society when they came out with a concept of

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Speaker 3: alternative facts.

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Speaker 5: It was a fascist society.

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Speaker 3: When this man, this white man, because this is pertinent

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Speaker 3: to the point, this white man could have three baby mothers,

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Speaker 3: could go bankrupt. God knows how many times could have

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Speaker 3: a loan from his father and still fumble the bag

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Speaker 3: could get be indicted ninety one times reduced to eighty

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Speaker 3: eight times. The judge who he appointed and was Senate

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Speaker 3: confirmed throughout the case.

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Speaker 5: Now she's being considered for Attorney general.

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Speaker 3: It was fascism when Donald Trump new classified ad runs

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Speaker 3: and it says wanted yes men only.

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Speaker 5: That is fascism.

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Speaker 3: It's fascism when it is religious nationalism, and the Christian

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Speaker 3: Rights says the only candidate of choice is Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: because he espouses Christian principles, and they turn a blind

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Speaker 3: eye to every bit of violence. On January sixth, it

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Speaker 3: was fascism when it was about ethnic nationalism and making

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Speaker 3: America great again, and they harken back to a time

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Speaker 3: that where black people were harmed the greatest. We have

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Speaker 3: a major problem on our hand, and it is that hands,

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Speaker 3: and it is that fascism began long ago, and folks

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Speaker 3: are just realizing what it means.

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Speaker 4: The fascism began long ago, even before this trumpet. I

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Speaker 4: mean fascism came to the United States on the hills

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Speaker 4: of Mussolini in the nineteen thirties. It was so bad

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Speaker 4: here that even the Aco you had to come out,

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Speaker 4: even though students, the history, you guys are rid of

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Speaker 4: brown shirts, the white hit the yellow shirts, and to

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Speaker 4: the point when they ran out of shorts and then

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Speaker 4: it was like the black Shorts group. But fascism has

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Speaker 4: penetrated American society for almost a century. So this has

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Speaker 4: been rising slowly over the years. That's why I say

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Speaker 4: when we black folks of all people, because we've been

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Speaker 4: on the receiving end of it, know how to view it.

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Speaker 4: And the way it was treated even then in the

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Speaker 4: nineteen thirties was like a joke like Mussolini supporters, because

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Speaker 4: it wasn't our government. Mussolini supporters are kind of like

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Speaker 4: an inconvenience. And it got more and more intense and

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Speaker 4: eventually became more violent. There's been a consistent rise of

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Speaker 4: fascism in this country.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 1: The only exception I would take with its existence here

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Speaker 1: in America is that it has not yet to this point,

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Speaker 1: it had not yet taken over the whole of institutions

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Speaker 1: at different levels of our society. There have been able

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Speaker 1: to be checks and balances in the stages of fascism.

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Speaker 1: I would agree that it has been long in the making.

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Speaker 1: And I'll just just stay real quick with the five

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Speaker 1: stages of fascism. According to political science. Researchers say, and

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Speaker 1: one is emerging out of disillusionment. And we could all

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Speaker 1: give examples to this. Number two established legitimacy as a

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Speaker 1: political party. Third, gaining power via right wing partnerships. Fourth

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Speaker 1: using power to dominate institutions. This is the stage I

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Speaker 1: think we would be at in upon a second Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: In fifth implementing radical reforms. And these are reforms that,

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Speaker 1: over time take take away civil liberties, take away civil rights,

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Speaker 1: take away chance, take it, take again all the all

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Speaker 1: of the fomenting that we've seen and that we're experiencing

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Speaker 1: right now. It almost feels like it doesn't happen overnight.

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Speaker 1: But y'all don't pay attention to the signs. We we

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Speaker 1: oftentimes don't pay attention to the signs as they are

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Speaker 1: right here dangling in front of us, until all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden we wake up. And then and then you know,

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Speaker 1: it feels like the world has you know, it feels

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Speaker 1: like the world has ended.

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Speaker 3: I think we're well in it, and I hear your

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Speaker 3: point that it's not. We're not all the way there

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Speaker 3: or it's it's right in front of us. But I

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Speaker 3: would argue that there are some institutions that have already

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Speaker 3: been corrupted, including the Supreme Court, which we've talked about

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Speaker 3: on the show, including the House of Representatives that could

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Speaker 3: not select a speaker because of it. Like, I think

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Speaker 3: that we really I think that we really cannot get

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Speaker 3: away from that. I think the other thing that we

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Speaker 3: have to pay attention to, and this is why I

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Speaker 3: agree with you Tip that it was long before Trump,

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Speaker 3: but he became the poster child, the singular face of it,

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Speaker 3: the authoritarian ruler, the dictator rule, right like that. Before that,

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Speaker 3: it was the trifectas in state governments that Republicans were

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Speaker 3: long pushing now to be fair, In twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: there were seventeen states where Democrats had a trifecta, but

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Speaker 3: there were twenty two where Republicans had a trifecta, and

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Speaker 3: four more where there were super majorities veto proof majorities

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Speaker 3: in those states, those were by design and by with intention,

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Speaker 3: right they pursued having these full, full single party rules

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Speaker 3: on the state level that only helped Donald Trump. Some

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Speaker 3: of you at home may be saying, why, well, there's

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Speaker 3: such thing as a constitutional convention, and if they ever

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Speaker 3: want to amend the Constitution, they have to have two

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Speaker 3: thirds of us of the States agree with them to

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Speaker 3: change or to add an amendment to the Constitution. This

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Speaker 3: is by design, and it has been in play for

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Speaker 3: a really long time. I wouldn't say since the nineteen

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Speaker 3: twenties and thirties, but I would say it's been by

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Speaker 3: design for a long time.

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Speaker 4: Since Rage, it has been no.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying, I like, we've seen shifts and then

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Speaker 3: we've seen it go back. I'm saying by design on

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Speaker 3: the Republican level, with the Koch brothers, with Alec, with

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Speaker 3: all of these things, at least since the nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 3: with Reagan, I will say.

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Speaker 4: Thirty posts, a new deal, and the whole warrior is so, the.

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Speaker 1: Whole fascism came out of the time, the period between

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Speaker 1: World War I'm not confused about that.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying that you're your friend. We're not saying you're confused.

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Speaker 4: I think you're making a point for the audience.

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Speaker 1: Andrew, Yeah, I am trying to make a point for

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Speaker 1: the audience, which is simply to say there is a

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Speaker 1: period under which fascism got its definition in an end

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Speaker 1: its examples, which were obviously first through Mussolini and then

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Speaker 1: through Hitler. But what I'm saying about the reason why

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Speaker 1: I don't want people to believe that we have survived

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Speaker 1: through this is that it gets we're talking about when

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Speaker 1: you look at the examples of fascism that is extreme,

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Speaker 1: uh in part in all parts of the world. And

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Speaker 1: we've seen it in South America, we've seen it in

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Speaker 1: are obviously Europe. But you're talking about militaries that then

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Speaker 1: become compliant to a to a to First a president

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Speaker 1: who then fit who legally through through liberal democracies, comes

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Speaker 1: into power. But then while they're in power, they change rules, laws, constitutions,

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Speaker 1: implementing documents, so on and so forth, so that they

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Speaker 1: extend the life of their term to forever until they die.

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Speaker 1: They then uh get rid of constitutions and civil liberties.

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Speaker 1: We then lose hold of our own personal rights. And

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Speaker 1: it's it's it will come in the blink of an eye, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has already told when you vote, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to worry about voting again. He's already said I

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Speaker 1: may just stay president, live there, right, stay there for life.

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Speaker 1: He's already told us, I'll be a dictator, but only

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Speaker 1: on day one. He's already said that the enemies are

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Speaker 1: enemies from within, and therefore I can, as the commander

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Speaker 1: in chief, compel the US military and the National Guard

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Speaker 1: to intervene against my domestic enemies. That's not what That's

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Speaker 1: not how democracies work. That is not how liberal democracies work.

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Speaker 1: And so I just what, Let's believe the man when

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Speaker 1: he says a thing that he's going to do. Let's

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Speaker 1: believe him. Because now no guardrails, and already one of

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Speaker 1: the institutions have fallen to him, the US Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: and thereby the Court's rule of law. It's all in

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Speaker 1: his pocket. So to me, the threat is the threat

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Speaker 1: is so huge. And I just think that for those

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Speaker 1: of us, I know, we're not preaching to the choir,

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Speaker 1: because you know, we're all in the choir. We're all

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Speaker 1: in this together. But we have to I think, use

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Speaker 1: the time between now an election day to move as

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Speaker 1: many people as we possibly can to the polls who

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Speaker 1: may not understand the strength of this threat, but know

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Speaker 1: that something's not right. I just think we have to.

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Speaker 1: This is the time that we've got to activate. When

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Speaker 1: you asked, Tiff, what can change? Only thing that can

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Speaker 1: change is the force and the strength by which we

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Speaker 1: all moved to move people to the polls.

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Speaker 4: And to this, I think I think you Ally was

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Speaker 4: gonna say, what's gotta change right now is the break?

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Speaker 4: But I want to pick up on Angela's plan on

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Speaker 4: the other side, because I think Angela is one hundred

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Speaker 4: percent right. Is here is happening now, So what do

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Speaker 4: we do about that? So we'll pick that up on

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Speaker 4: the other side.

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Speaker 10: Former President Obama was back out and invoke the potential

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Speaker 10: of sexism in his appeal to black men to support

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Speaker 10: the vice president. Was it a mistake for the former

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Speaker 10: president to say what he did? What was your That's

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Speaker 10: what we heard from former President Obama.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think that it's wonderful that President Obama

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Speaker 3: is out hitting the trail for democracy, frankly, And what

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Speaker 3: I think is a mistake is to let white folks

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Speaker 3: escape their accountability that they must face for not showing

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Speaker 3: up to save democracy themselves. Like they want to get

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Speaker 3: mad at presidential candidates right when they don't wear a

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Speaker 3: flag lapel pin or they don't see you pledging allegiance

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Speaker 3: to the flag. That's what they want to get upset about. Now,

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Speaker 3: the face of patriotism to them looks like trying to

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Speaker 3: tear down the Capitol in a terrorist attack on January sixth,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. So the responsibility of saving democracy should

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Speaker 3: be on the largest demographic in this country, that is

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Speaker 3: white men and white women. So I wanted to play

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Speaker 3: that for y'all, not because you aren't completely tired of

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Speaker 3: hearing my voices, and you can hear it right now,

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Speaker 3: but just because I think it's been fascinating to me

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Speaker 3: speaking of fascism the way this clip has been run. Now,

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Speaker 3: listening to it on the back in, I can understand.

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to be fair. Listen, if they hear

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Speaker 3: things from all sides, Maybe because I referenced January sixth,

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Speaker 3: they thought I was calling for another insurrection. Maybe that's

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Speaker 3: what they were doing, but that's not happening, especially because

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Speaker 3: people who I love dearly, who are my professional family,

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Speaker 3: work on Capitol Hill. So certainly I'm not calling for

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Speaker 3: violence on Capitol Hill or anywhere else for that matter.

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Speaker 5: But I'm fascinated to understand y'all.

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Speaker 3: How since we did see it in together promoting our

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Speaker 3: Detroit Live show shout out to Atlanta. We will be

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Speaker 3: there with you all on Friday. How in the world

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Speaker 3: they got for my words, this church girl's words.

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Speaker 5: On accountability? How that is violence?

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Speaker 3: There have been and TIF made this point earlier on

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Speaker 3: our production call too. It's not reasonable people who are

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Speaker 3: making this point. But when I tell you, one Republican

662
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Speaker 3: tweeter posted it, and all of the Republican rags, all

663
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Speaker 3: of the papers, all of their blogs ran with the

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Speaker 3: exact same thing. Their discipline is on point. Y'all shout

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Speaker 3: up a slow clap for y'all's discipline.

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Speaker 5: But you're wrong, and you know you're wrong.

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Speaker 3: And so I just I wanted to just have a

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Speaker 3: conversation with y'all briefly as we get out of fascism,

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Speaker 3: to like go into accountability and what accountability looks like

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Speaker 3: to y'all, because it looks very different to me than

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Speaker 3: what has been espoused on these platforms, Like they know

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Speaker 3: that's not what I miss. So I want to hear

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Speaker 3: what y'all think accountability actually means.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I obviously understood your point Angela about accountability.

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Speaker 4: I think accountability is the child of responsibility, and I

676
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Speaker 4: think we all have a responsibility to this here democracy.

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Speaker 4: I think you know this would happen every week on

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Speaker 4: my show, and Angela, you know, stranger to this every

679
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 4: time you're on TV. You know they clip it. Andrew,

680
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 4: for sure, you don't check a lot of things, but

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Speaker 4: I imagine if you check your social media Instagram, you'd be

682
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Speaker 4: tagged in a lot of these right wing things. So

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Speaker 4: it seems so big to us because we have ourselves

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Speaker 4: Google News Alert and we get it. But the truth

685
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 4: is this is a small sect of society. I think

686
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Speaker 4: the people left on Twitter at this point, Twitter is

687
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 4: not what it once was. So these right wing mag

688
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 4: these fringe outlets, it's a small group of people who

689
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Speaker 4: are trying to drum up this thing. It becomes real,

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Speaker 4: Angela because when you're saying accountability and someone takes that

691
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Speaker 4: a different way and they start attacking you personally, and

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Speaker 4: you start getting emails. I mean I've gotten letters to

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Speaker 4: my house before, I've gotten detailed to my website about

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Speaker 4: the detail on which ways they would rape me or

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Speaker 4: what they would do to family members. And so you

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Speaker 4: consume all these words and it's like, I, you know,

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Speaker 4: I maybe it's a fringe outlet of people. Maybe it's

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Speaker 4: only five thousand people who read this, but the impact

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Speaker 4: of that is very real. That is fascism. That is

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Speaker 4: how fascism is one hundred percent right here, and that's

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Speaker 4: how it becomes violent. Reasonable people understood exactly even if

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Speaker 4: they disagreed, Even if there were white people who said, well,

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Speaker 4: I don't know about that, they could disagree. Reasonab people

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Speaker 4: understood your point. Responsibility, accountability, like you all are willing

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Speaker 4: to throw it all away to vote for this man.

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Speaker 4: Don't show us no more sound bites of black men.

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Speaker 4: Don't be in no more round tables of black men

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Speaker 4: talking about that they don't represent anybody, They don't represent

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Speaker 4: a large enough constituency because most black men are supporting

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Speaker 4: Vice President Harris. Angelo's point was talk to conservative white

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Speaker 4: people about how they're going to vote, because they're the

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Speaker 4: ones who voted overwhelmed across all socio economic background. They

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Speaker 4: voted overwhelmingly for him in twenty sixteen and again in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty, and they appear to be poised to do

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Speaker 4: that again. So I understood what you were saying, Angela,

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Speaker 4: And I will tell you I was in the fire

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Speaker 4: one time, and Angela's been in the fire. A lot,

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Speaker 4: and we are two different people people. They've literally had

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Speaker 4: a headline of like Tiffany Cross said this blah blah blah,

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Speaker 4: and it was Angela's picture on the cover of it.

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Speaker 4: And so then I started getting tags easy like Tiffany said,

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Speaker 4: we got a whole white people kind of I'm like,

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Speaker 4: that was Angela. I agree, I echoed my sister, but

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Speaker 4: was not me. But I understood what you were saying.

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Speaker 4: And I'm also just sorry that you have to go

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Speaker 4: through that, because I know what that's like. I know

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Speaker 4: you frustrating.

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Speaker 3: I really brought this up as an example, and what's

729
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Speaker 3: hoping we could have a broader conversation about accountability period,

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Speaker 3: because I think that that is a word that does

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Speaker 3: mean something very different to some of these white folks.

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Speaker 5: I'm not talking about even the French.

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Speaker 3: I think when they hear accountability, just like when they

734
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Speaker 3: hear power sharing power with black people, sharing power people

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Speaker 3: of color is a terrifying concept to them because of

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Speaker 3: how they've abused it historically. Accountability one and the same

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Speaker 3: facing accountability to a slaveholder was whipping your slaves, right,

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Speaker 3: That's not what accountability means to me, Andrew.

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Speaker 5: I want to hear what you were say about accountability.

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Speaker 1: Why I was just say your words were clear. You

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Speaker 1: said the responsibility for saving democracy is to march themselves

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Speaker 1: to the polls. I don't know what was violent about that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what was calling for violence about that.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a true statement that quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: if white men and white women were to give us

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Speaker 1: the majority, give liberal democracy, give common sense, give us

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Speaker 1: right the majority of their votes, we all would be

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Speaker 1: over all would be done settled. But I think as

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Speaker 1: we see and said we've all said in different ways

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Speaker 1: on this show, different voters come to the polls with

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Speaker 1: different motivations, and if there, if they are where they are,

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Speaker 1: they're there for a reason. They have decided to prioritize

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Speaker 1: something else over what we believe is is the priority,

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Speaker 1: which is small d democracy and all the other things

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Speaker 1: that we care about. And they've decided that maybe what

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Speaker 1: is in their best interests is a white nationalist fascist

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Speaker 1: as president who will protect their part of the earth.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's unfortunate and shortsighted, and just like

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Speaker 1: Rome never thought it would fall, you know, a great Britain,

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Speaker 1: once the superpower of the globe, thought it would never

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Speaker 1: fall in its empire, Russia and its empire. Empires do fall, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they And again it's you know, we don't think

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Speaker 1: it happens overnight, but in a blink of an eye

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Speaker 1: we look up.

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Speaker 4: But I think that's the point angels making. It does

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Speaker 4: not happen overnight, like we are crumbling now, We've been

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Speaker 4: crumbling for centuries. I wanted to hear more about what

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Speaker 4: you were saying, Angela about because I think that's such

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Speaker 4: a key point and feeds to Andrew's point about fascism.

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Speaker 4: The point that you're making why white people are afraid

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Speaker 4: of that word accountability and you were creating a wrinkle

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Speaker 4: in time between that and enslavement and that and oppression

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Speaker 4: and how white people have used power. I would love

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Speaker 4: to make that point so it could be my own,

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Speaker 4: but I want you to finish. I want you to

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Speaker 4: finish what you were saying, because I think that's such

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Speaker 4: a key point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I think that I see power differently, right,

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Speaker 3: Like I was raising the house with an activist who

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Speaker 3: taught us about the Rainbow Coalition. I'll like Reverend Jackson

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Speaker 3: and the fact that if we gain power and if

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Speaker 3: we gain access, then we are gaining access for everyone.

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Speaker 3: That's the point that our good friend Latasha Brown is

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Speaker 3: always making when I'm talking about accountability. It is in

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Speaker 3: the tradition of the Black Church, accountability means you repent,

786
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Speaker 3: you confess, you repent, you turn from your wicked ways,

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Speaker 3: and you go in another direction. Right Like, to me,

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Speaker 3: that isn't about being chastised, and it certainly isn't about violence.

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Speaker 3: I don't like to kill spiders. I like we try

790
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Speaker 3: to pick them up in knapkins and throw them outside. Now,

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Speaker 3: if it jump out the napkins, spider me and you

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Speaker 3: have a problem.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 3: But other than that, I really don't believe. I don't

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Speaker 3: believe in violence. I don't want to be violent. I

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00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 3: grew up in a non violent tradition. Now I believe

797
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: in self defense, you know, But I just I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think that ultimately, when they have to face the

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Speaker 3: music on why they are hearing things in this way,

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Speaker 3: it's because of their own experiences and their own ancestral

801
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: memory and what they're carrying in their DNA, and they

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00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: also have to face accountability for that. They got to

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Speaker 3: come to terms with what that is and why therapy

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Speaker 3: y'all go I believe in it.

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Speaker 5: I approved this message.

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Speaker 4: Also, like the pain that we carry from it, just

807
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Speaker 4: to acknowledge it. Because you're not saying none of us

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Speaker 4: are saying like every white person is bad, every white

809
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 4: person is doing something. But white people do benefit from

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Speaker 4: a system that oppresses us largely, and we have to

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Speaker 4: be careful not to equate classism and racism, you know,

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Speaker 4: because then I've been on panels with people were like,

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Speaker 4: I grew up poor and my family didn't have anything,

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Speaker 4: and I made it myself. It's like, yeah, you still

815
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Speaker 4: had certain benefits. Like we all, most of us grew

816
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 4: up poor in our community. Look at the world's gap.

817
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Speaker 4: Most of us came from nothing and built ourselves up.

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Speaker 4: Our hurdles that we had to scale looked a lot different.

819
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Speaker 4: The hurdles that we had to leap looked a lot different.

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Speaker 4: From there. There may be some commonality, but it still

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Speaker 4: looked different. Andrew, I'm curious because you keep saying like

822
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Speaker 4: in the blink of an eye, it happens. Do you

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Speaker 4: think we are at the line crossing, like we have

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Speaker 4: crossed the line into fascist.

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Speaker 1: I think I think this is the election that will

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Speaker 1: determine that. I don't disagree with you that we've had again,

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Speaker 1: if there's stages to this thing, if this thing happens,

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Speaker 1: and I think the assault on facts was the beginning

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Speaker 1: of it. The fact that we had a whole administration

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Speaker 1: that tried to convince us that they were you were

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Speaker 1: entitled to your own set of facts, that there's no

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Speaker 1: common anything, there's no common truth, there's no common right,

833
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Speaker 1: there's no common understand there's none of that. Dismiss with

834
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Speaker 1: all of that. And when you dismiss, when you suspend

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Speaker 1: with a free press and an arbiter of truth and

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Speaker 1: non truth, and you get to be that for yourselves.

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Speaker 1: Hold up everybody, because now you're telling me to go

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Speaker 1: check a source. Why is that source the source to check?

839
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Speaker 1: Why isn't mine the right source? Why isn't Fox News Bible?

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00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: Why isn't Why isn't what I listened to and the

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Speaker 1: shows that I patronize, Why why isn't that the fact?

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00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: Why isn't that true? And so the getting rid of that,

843
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: and I think we are at that stage. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that they're shared belief between what's real and what

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Speaker 1: isn't the fact that Donald Trump went out and told

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Speaker 1: people that FEMA was only for a certain group of people,

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Speaker 1: and if you made this much in the government was

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Speaker 1: taking your houses and all that I mean just flat

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Speaker 1: out lies. But guess what those lies took flight amongst

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Speaker 1: a group of people. The next thing I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to say is on this point of Angela mentioned Reverend

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Speaker 1: Jackson in the political ideology that helped to shape her

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00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: own friend Man right. I think we have to acknowledge

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Speaker 1: that there are other models and examples of how you

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Speaker 1: deal with power, what you do to get it, and

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Speaker 1: how you keep it, other models that have been I

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Speaker 1: think the majoritarian belief since the beginning of time, which

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Speaker 1: is power is a limited quality, is of limited supply,

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Speaker 1: and that it must be harbored and held and kept

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Speaker 1: to me. And if it's shared with anybody, that's sharing

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Speaker 1: means the loss of mind. So it's a zero sum game.

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Speaker 1: Whereas many of us were brought into believed in a

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Speaker 1: tradition that power is infinite, there is no limit to it.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the more the more you give it, the

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Speaker 1: more you get. Have you ever empowered somebody who you

866
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Speaker 1: work with? Have you ever empowered an intern and said

867
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Speaker 1: why don't you go do this? They don't they use

868
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: that as a responsibility to grow in an example. But

869
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Speaker 1: they're still looking to you as a leader. You haven't

870
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Speaker 1: lost anything. So but if you believe that if you

871
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Speaker 1: share power, and I think this is true of many

872
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Speaker 1: of the folks who are bought in the brought up

873
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Speaker 1: in the eurocentric a line of thinking of what power

874
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Speaker 1: is is that it's limited and I've got to cheap

875
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Speaker 1: it where all my mind you will, you will strip

876
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: my fingers from it. Versus let's be ubiquitous with it. Everybody,

877
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Speaker 1: get some.

878
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 5: You know one thing that we should do.

879
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 3: We know that part of what's happened with fascism and

880
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: the teflon down is that most of what is thrown

881
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 3: at him doesn't stick, including eighty eight plus felony indictments.

882
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: I would say, though that get got Giuliani. That was

883
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 3: not his story, and so he is now having to

884
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Speaker 3: face accountability for what he's done and is not a

885
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: violent sense of accountability. But child, did he get God

886
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: for all of his resources? Let's roll the clip of

887
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: the woman who.

888
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 4: Oh, can we sorry? Can we play what Juliani said first? Okay,

889
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: if you don't mind, because I want them to hear

890
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 4: exactly he should be accountable tip.

891
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 5: I was like, that's a great idea.

892
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: Let's take take this basics of hooked on phonics class

893
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 3: to the clip.

894
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 11: Of Ruby Freeman and Shae Freeman Laws and one other

895
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 11: gentleman quite obviously surreptitiously passing around us B ports as

896
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 11: if they are vials of heroin or cocaine. I mean, it's.

897
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 7: Obvious to anyone who's a criminal investigator or prosecutor they

898
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 7: are engaged in surreptitious illegal activity again that day and

899
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 7: after a week ago, and they're still walking around Georgia.

900
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 7: Line should have been they should have been should have

901
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 7: been questioned already. There are places of work, their homes

902
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 7: should have been searched for evidence of ballots, for evidence

903
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 7: of us V ports, for evidence.

904
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Speaker 1: Of voter fraud.

905
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Speaker 3: Before we get to this clip of Ruby Freeman, I

906
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 3: just want to remind you all that that man who

907
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: tried to compare taking USB hard drives to vials of

908
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 3: cocaine is also the man that has been disbarred over

909
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 3: these false election claims.

910
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 5: That he's associated with the.

911
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 3: And has been made to pay over one hundred and

912
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: forty eight million dollars in damages for destroying these women's lives.

913
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: He is also being charged with a felony related to

914
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 3: trying to get falsified documents related to Donald Trump's election.

915
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 5: Results in Arizona.

916
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: So Giuliani is, he's got some problems on his hands,

917
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 3: but let's see how he's taking these problems to the

918
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: wrong one and he found out with accountability.

919
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 9: For now, I want people to understand this money will

920
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 9: never solve all of my problems. I can never move

921
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 9: back into the house that I called home. I will

922
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 9: always have to be careful about where I go and

923
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 9: who I choose to share my name with. I miss

924
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 9: my home, I miss my neighbor, and I miss my name.

925
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 9: I've heard some of you. Don't be sad for me.

926
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 9: Don't waste your time being angry at those who did

927
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 9: this to me and my daughter. We are more than conquerors.

928
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 9: Pray for us as we continue to fight the good

929
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 9: fight of faith.

930
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: When we say that democracy is built on the backs

931
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Speaker 3: of black people, particularly black women, Ruby Freeman is the

932
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: type of black women who has led the charge historically

933
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 3: and for many centuries, preserving a democracy that many times

934
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: did not even support or look out for. Her and

935
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Speaker 3: Rudolph William Louis Giuliani is the poster child of what

936
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: it looks like when white supremacy intersects with democracy and

937
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: believes that democracy is only for the few. That is fascism,

938
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 3: if nothing else. This man tried to file for bankruptcy

939
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 3: the day after the judgment, the defamation suit judgment, where

940
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 3: he would have had to fork over the cash to

941
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Speaker 3: pay these women for the lies that he told about them,

942
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: for the death threats they then faced, and for ruining

943
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 3: their reputations and their ability to further uphold elections and

944
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 3: the processes that they have spent their lives protecting for us.

945
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 5: That's all I got to say about.

946
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Speaker 4: Well, black women are disproportionately lesson workers in Georgia, so

947
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 4: Missus Freeman and Missus Freeman mass This wasn't the clip

948
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 4: that we played, but there she was defiant. There, you

949
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 4: know she had seen some level of justice. But I

950
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: just want to remind people that on during the January

951
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 4: sixth hearing where she actually testified, she was broken. I mean,

952
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 4: she was tearful as she recounted what she had gone through.

953
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 4: And she's known as Lady Ruby, and she asked, do

954
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Speaker 4: you know what it's like to have the president of

955
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 4: the United States and his kind make you a target

956
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 4: of them. You Also, we didn't hear from Shae Mass,

957
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 4: her daughter, but Shae Moss was saying, I'm my mother's

958
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 4: only child. I have a child, my grandmother's only grandchild.

959
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 4: And they talked about not being able to leave and

960
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 4: people confronting them. Shay Moss phone kept bringing over and

961
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 4: over and over and over because he was thocks they

962
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 4: couldn't go out together like they were the recipients of

963
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 4: all types of threats. So I'm happy to see her

964
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 4: like upbeat and getting something. But I have to say

965
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 4: I remember watching their testimony in real time. I mean

966
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 4: it was gripping. It was gripping to see these two

967
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 4: black women face a congressional hearing and detail for the

968
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 4: United States government what they had gone through. And they

969
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 4: both cried through their testimony. That is the result of fascism,

970
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 4: That is the result of violence. And those are the

971
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 4: people for everyone who was conflicted about how I don't

972
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 4: believe y'all really exists. But if there are people out

973
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 4: there who still trying to decide between Trump and Vice President,

974
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 4: here is he empowered people to displace these two black

975
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Speaker 4: women who are bigger patriots than you.

976
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know Tiffany overcoming and coming through trauma.

977
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: One day can be those teary I can't put a

978
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: word or a sentence together, and the next day can

979
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: be I can do this. This is strength. Thank you

980
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 1: Lord for you know, bathing me in the good sense

981
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: and my health and my strength. And then the next

982
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: day fall right back into that place when you think

983
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: about the neighborhood you can no longer live in, or

984
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: the alias name that you go by because you're terrified

985
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: if they hear your real name, what might meet you

986
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 1: on the other side of those words. She was scared

987
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: to order food, that's right.

988
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 4: She couldn't because she didn't want to give her name.

989
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 4: He couldn't even order food.

990
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: So that and they will live with that, as she said,

991
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: no matter the amount of money they get, that that's

992
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: staying they'll live with forever. Why because alternative facts have

993
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: convinced the whole half of the country to a narrative

994
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: that they'll never disbelieve. And they'll always look at these

995
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: women as as as to who got something undeserving, something

996
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: they didn't deserve for being black. Probably that's what they

997
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: trumpet up in their minds. To be. But this is

998
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: another reason why I don't think we can. We can.

999
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: You don't give power, You don't give more power to

1000
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: peep to a person like Donald Trump and Juliani. Who

1001
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: who does with power what they did to these two

1002
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: women and and countless others who we can't name, right,

1003
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: and I loved, In fact, I love to see the

1004
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: Central Park five file suit uh recently against Donald Trump.

1005
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 3: Sorry, not that that's the same thing, but they did

1006
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 3: too on the the cease and desist for Yeah, have

1007
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 3: the right to use somebody's words and twist them? How

1008
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 3: do you feel like you have the right to say

1009
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 3: that somebody cheated when they didn't on an election? How

1010
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 3: do you feel like you have the right to accuse

1011
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 3: these young people who have been exonerated of rape and

1012
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 3: you still out here like what is wrong with you?

1013
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 4: I have to tell you, Angela, that ad is playing

1014
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 4: in Atlanta on repeat to back to back to back,

1015
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 4: and it's clear who they're targeting. I've only read it.

1016
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 4: I didn't go back and watch. How were his words

1017
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 4: taken out of context? So I've only read it and

1018
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 4: in the context, you only read the quote, But what

1019
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 4: exactly was he saying?

1020
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1021
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: I think, well, I know that he's what he said

1022
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 3: repeatedly is the point was that he was watching the

1023
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 3: ad and he knew that it was like her words

1024
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 3: were taken out of context. This was Leonard and Enby talking.

1025
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 3: They knew that her words were taken out of context.

1026
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:39,959
Speaker 3: And they were talking about how they were doing something

1027
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 3: else and listening and were like, I want my to

1028
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 3: Experimentney going to that. Like they were saying how effective

1029
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: the ad was and problematic, like because they heard another

1030
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 3: one and now they're using that splice. They spliced the

1031
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 3: original ad with them responding to the ad, if that

1032
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 3: makes sense.

1033
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 4: But Vice President here, so this is just so people

1034
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 4: may not seeing that. But Vice President here was saying

1035
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 4: that she supported gender affirming care. And I think it

1036
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 4: wasn't they the way they cut it. I think they

1037
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 4: were talking about prisons, but I think she was referencing

1038
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 4: people in ice detention. I'm not being exact at I

1039
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 4: don't I don't have to vange that, but it was

1040
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 4: it was something to that extent, And so Charlemagne and

1041
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 4: dj Envy were saying, if that is the case, they

1042
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 4: did not want their No, that they didn't They.

1043
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: Were saying that they knew that in that moment that

1044
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 3: they had cut a small portion of her answer in

1045
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: an interview and it was taken out of context. But

1046
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 3: because like you're focused on football, they're like, oh my god,

1047
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 3: I heard this, and I'm like, that's it's effective. That's

1048
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 3: all they were saying, Like.

1049
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 4: It was affected.

1050
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 3: But they made it seem like, you know when you're like,

1051
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that, like you're saying how

1052
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 3: you initially responded, but they're saying that that was lifted

1053
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 3: out of context because this is this wasn't even the point.

1054
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 3: They're like, they're doing a great job at targeting us

1055
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 3: because that almost worked on me.

1056
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 4: But that so I think we got to have a

1057
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 4: conversation about this at some point because that can't be

1058
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 4: the thing that's effective. And you know, it's like the

1059
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 4: trans community and this is it is ubiquitous here, like

1060
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 4: even in Issmosis walking down the street, like people have

1061
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 4: so much to say about it, and I don't know

1062
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 4: the statistics off the top of my head, but it

1063
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 4: is for sure less than three percent of society. Gender

1064
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 4: affirming care is not something that impacts all of these people,

1065
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 4: and they are making it their central ad and I

1066
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 4: just I wish that that was not an effective ad.

1067
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 4: I wish people could just look at that and say,

1068
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 4: who gives a shit? Like I'm worried about my mortgage,

1069
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 4: I'm worried about my tastes.

1070
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 5: I'm worried about because there are people.

1071
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 4: No, I want to hear what you have to say.

1072
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 4: I want to hear what you have to say, but

1073
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 4: I'm making the point like that it should not be effective,

1074
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 4: Like that can't be the effective ad. Even if you're

1075
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 4: saying this is a big deal, we're essentially saying, well, yeah,

1076
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 4: if that was what she was saying, then yes, I

1077
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 4: would be mad that my tax dollars were going to

1078
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 4: pay for gender care. And I'm saying that, right, there

1079
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,959
Speaker 4: is an issue, But do you know all the things

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Speaker 4: that your tax dollars that And I think that that's

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Speaker 4: the point, Like there are a ton of people who

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Speaker 4: are frustrated about AID going to Ukraine, AID going to Israel,

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Speaker 4: AID going to all these places when they're hurting, and

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Speaker 4: so I think it's literally harping on a place like

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Speaker 4: you guys know, you don't have the resources you.

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Speaker 3: Once had, in part thanks to Donald Trump's tax credits. Right,

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Speaker 3: that did not help you, but there are all these

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Speaker 3: things that are benefiting United States taxpayer dollars, and this

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Speaker 3: is another one, and you're like, but when is it

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Speaker 3: going to benefit me? So they're playing that up and

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Speaker 3: they use familiar faces in our community to justify that ad.

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Speaker 3: But I think that there is a larger conversation to

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Speaker 3: be held about where our taxpaer dollars are going, how

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Speaker 3: they're being spent, and to ensure that the same thing,

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Speaker 3: just like power should not be from a scarcity model,

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Speaker 3: neither should our taxpayer dollars. We should be ensuring that

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Speaker 3: Medicaid is not on the chopping block, that Medicare is

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Speaker 3: not on the chopping block, that insulent Donald Trump comes

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Speaker 3: back in office is not going skyrocket back up. There

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Speaker 3: are a bunch of things that we need to be

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Speaker 3: talking through, but the main thing that we need to

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Speaker 3: understand is there's only one candidate in the race to

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Speaker 3: ensure that your taxpayer dollars are treated with respect and

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Speaker 3: that you are not hurting and in harm's way, And

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Speaker 3: it wasn't just a STEMI check that ensured that you

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Speaker 3: were not in harms way. That is the larger conversation.

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Speaker 3: They took one moment, though something where people are saying,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I want my taxpayer dollars to

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Speaker 3: go to that, especially because the full thing was not

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Speaker 3: It wasn't And even man, I'm gonna be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: there are a lot of folks, church folks, you know,

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Speaker 3: folks in between. You don't understand. There are people's children

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Speaker 3: who don't understand and don't want to support that.

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Speaker 5: That is a really.

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Speaker 3: Tough position to put people in when they don't see

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Speaker 3: their taxpayer dollars even fully funding SNAP benefits.

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Speaker 4: Right, But that I guess that's my issue, Angela, because

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Speaker 4: it's like they aren't the ad they running are not

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Speaker 4: talking about tax dollars going to Ukraine. They're running are

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Speaker 4: not talking about tax dollars going to anything but gender.

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Speaker 4: They decided that's the thing that we can tap into

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Speaker 4: black men about and if there are black women, know

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Speaker 4: they are black men, if they are black people there No,

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about this specific ads, not just turn black

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Speaker 4: men is. Let me just let me. I'm saying their intention,

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Speaker 4: whoever is benefitting from it, their intention with all that's fine,

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at the imagery on and where these ads

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Speaker 4: are being run by night. Yes, yes they don't because

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Speaker 4: there's no place where only black people are tuning in.

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Speaker 4: But that ad for sure is meant to target black

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Speaker 4: men being men men men. Well, they've used black imagery.

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Speaker 4: They have him Trump surrounded by black men in the

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Speaker 4: stills they use, and it is all over Atlanta. It's

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Speaker 4: not all over DC. It wasn't all over Detroit, but

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Speaker 4: it's definitely all over It's absolutely I didn't see Detroit

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Speaker 4: like that's what I'm saying, Well, that's what I think.

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Speaker 4: That's a national but I'm saying in Atlanta like billboards everywhere.

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Speaker 4: But either way, that's I guess beside the point. I

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Speaker 4: think the issue I'm saying is that cannot be the

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Speaker 4: issue that gets us. It's like we're saying, you know, well,

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Speaker 4: we're going to shoot on this group of people because

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Speaker 4: we don't like that or we don't understand it, or

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Speaker 4: next is going to be the migrants.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 4: That's the the discussion I think we need to have,

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Speaker 4: and I don't. I don't know how to have it

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Speaker 4: because I you know, I have it privately with people

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Speaker 4: who I've heard say things. My Glam team was saying

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Speaker 4: something about the lgbt CO community, but it was focused

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Speaker 4: on trans people, and I don't I don't know, guys.

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Speaker 4: I just think it's that that can't be the thing

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Speaker 4: that we let divide us. And it's not even a

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Speaker 4: large enough statistic that it is impacting, like our tax dollars,

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Speaker 4: all the things we pay for it. That's not even

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Speaker 4: a big thing. And they've buying you.

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Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah, But I think I think this campaign is

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Speaker 1: being run on two totally different planes. I think Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris's effort is in large part appealing to the logic, logic,

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Speaker 1: the intellect, in the respect of the voters that they

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Speaker 1: care about these issues that they say they care about

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Speaker 1: the economy, expanding opportunity, making sure that women have access

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Speaker 1: to health and their own reproductive choice decisions. And then

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Speaker 1: you've got Donald Trump here running an ad that is

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Speaker 1: strictly about grievance and emotion. And I think this is

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Speaker 1: in some ways a battle between what is the aspirational

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Speaker 1: where we want to go as a country, and the

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Speaker 1: other is completely an assault on culture, appealing to the

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Speaker 1: emotions in the fears of people, stoking that grievance and

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Speaker 1: stoking that fear. And I think the election results are

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Speaker 1: pretty much going to be a contest between whether or

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Speaker 1: not we're voting our future and aspiration or we're voting

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Speaker 1: our fears, our in our other rising or other rhythms.

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Speaker 1: And the truth is is that both have been effective

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Speaker 1: in elections over the course of over the course of

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Speaker 1: our lives. Of our lives, they've both been effective. And

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Speaker 1: so this is going to me, that's the context.

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Speaker 4: Say it again, is one more effective than the other

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Speaker 4: in your opinion?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I love when I feel hopeful and as

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Speaker 1: you know, and aspired to, but I also know I

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Speaker 1: lose sleep over things that cause me to be afraid

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Speaker 1: or concerned, particularly when it comes to my children or

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Speaker 1: my family.

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Speaker 4: And that's what they've always is one more effective for you?

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I think that it's not about what works

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Speaker 3: for me or works what works on me, because I

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Speaker 3: come at this with a little bit of a bias

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Speaker 3: and my point of privileges that I've worked in this

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Speaker 3: this is the only thing that I have worked in

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Speaker 3: right other than TV. And so what I can say

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Speaker 3: is that it has been extraordinarily effective since the beginning

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Speaker 3: of time. Fear works. Terrorizing people works, It gets you,

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Speaker 3: It forces people into doing the thing that they are

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Speaker 3: not there they're reluctantly doing. And so, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: fear sadly has been a part of our political discourse,

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Speaker 3: from Bill Clinton's sister Souldia moment to Willie Horton.

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Speaker 5: To you know, Donald Trump. I mean that was a

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Speaker 5: fraidiance that Ronald Reagan's war on drugs.

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Speaker 4: You know, the welfare black welfare queen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, crime, crime is overriding our communities. People are saying

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Speaker 3: that they're being impacted by crime, but crime rates are

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Speaker 3: going down, but they still feel like they're seeing more

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Speaker 3: car jackings and robbing and all of those things.

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Speaker 5: Like so it's.

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Speaker 1: Reagan also had an aspirational sense too, Okay, to your point, right,

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Speaker 1: it was make America regagain. But like we're the city

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Speaker 1: upon a hill, you know, we're the thing to be

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Speaker 1: the light, the shining beacon of the world. Let's get

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Speaker 1: back to that. Obama, Kennedy good examples of aspirations. We

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Speaker 1: can turn the page, we can have hope, we can

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Speaker 1: we can be better.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that it has they communicate our.

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Speaker 4: Both, No, nobody's discreeing with you, Angel I think Andrew's

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Speaker 4: making a plan and I'm like, yes, that is a

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Speaker 4: good through line. Because they were aspirational and they didn't

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Speaker 4: call them the Great Communicator for nothing, and that man

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Speaker 4: won forty nine states with that. So I think you're

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Speaker 4: just talking about what's effective and what's not.

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Speaker 1: I think they both are affected, and I do think

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Speaker 1: it matters the mood that people are in. If you're angry,

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Speaker 1: you're mad about the price of this and and Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump has told you who to blame.

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Speaker 5: For that's it.

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Speaker 1: You're walking in there.

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Speaker 4: One way and me, can I ask you a quick question.

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Speaker 4: The u a w President came out this week and

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Speaker 4: said that, let's be honest, we know a lot of

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Speaker 4: our members are going to vote for Trump. The Democrats

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Speaker 4: need to learn how to better frame messaging to the

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Speaker 4: working class. I surmise that the white was silent and yeah,

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Speaker 4: but do you all think that that Democrats do have

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Speaker 4: to improve their messaging, especially if y'all are saying fear works,

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Speaker 4: Like do Democrats need to be talking about policy or

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Speaker 4: is there a fear on the other side to say

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Speaker 4: you are taking us to a fascist government? Like how

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Speaker 4: can they harness this messaging strategy if it makes any

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Speaker 4: difference at all? So they're based.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's disingenuous to say that Democrats are

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Speaker 3: not trying to also harp on fear. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: harping on fear doesn't mean they're not legitimate fears, right,

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Speaker 3: It just means they were pointing them out. The focus

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Speaker 3: on Project twenty twenty five is a fear based tactic.

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Speaker 3: The focus on Donald Trump as a fascist is a

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01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 3: tear is a fear based tactic. The focus on him

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Speaker 3: having control over all the courts and every level of

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Speaker 3: government is a fear based tactic. The focus on January

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01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 3: sixth is a fear based tactic. It doesn't mean that

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Speaker 3: those things are not real, but they are harping on

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Speaker 3: our greatest fears. On Donald Trump's side, focusing on migrants

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Speaker 3: taking over the country is a fear based tactic. I

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Speaker 3: also think it's false. Focusing on the inability to have

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Speaker 3: a fear election and they're sure therefore we should never

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01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 3: have another election is a fear based tactic. Also, nets,

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Speaker 3: let me stop doing this because I'm gonna keep pointing

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Speaker 3: out all the reasons why he lies.

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Speaker 4: We could go on for.

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Speaker 1: And guess what. But the test is is that I

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Speaker 1: do believe the test is where they close what do

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Speaker 1: they want people to have on their minds as they

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Speaker 1: are going to vote, and you are well. I think

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Speaker 1: all of us would say, probably without debate, that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump has made his bed in the fear column, that

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Speaker 1: he is betting on the other rising of Americans and

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Speaker 1: your fear of what you don't have, and that person

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Speaker 1: is to blame for it, as as the decision factor

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Speaker 1: for you, And I think for Kamala it's probably gonna

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Speaker 1: be a little bit of both. I think she's going

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Speaker 1: to be reminding women about what they have at Steak.

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Speaker 1: I think she's going to be reminding those of us

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Speaker 1: who are believers in democracy what we have at Steak.

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Speaker 1: But I also think she's saying, we can put an

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Speaker 1: end to this mess. We can turn the page right

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Speaker 1: now to the kind of future that you and I

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Speaker 1: and our children and our children show children want to

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Speaker 1: walk into you. And we'll see which is more effective

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day. I have a belief,

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Speaker 1: but we'll see.

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Speaker 4: Can we invoke some fear right now? These are your bites, Andrew,

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Speaker 4: but I want to play them.

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Speaker 5: I want to.

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Speaker 4: I know rap, but I've said the show, but this

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Speaker 4: could be the way we close the show. As far

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Speaker 4: as I'm well, this won't be the way we close

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Speaker 4: the show. I want you all to hear this is

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Speaker 4: fear base, but it is a reasonable rational fear. Can

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Speaker 4: we please play the two sound bites from Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: from this week alone.

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Speaker 12: Under no circumstances you are promising America tonight.

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Speaker 7: You would never abuse power as retribution against anybody.

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Speaker 12: Except for day one, except he's going to christ except

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Speaker 12: for day one.

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Speaker 1: Meaning I want to close the border and I want

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Speaker 1: to drill. That's not that's real, that's not that's not retribution.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be I'm gonna you know, I love

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Speaker 1: this guy. He says, you're not going to be a dictator,

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Speaker 1: are you?

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Speaker 12: I said no, no, No other than day one, we're

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Speaker 12: closing the border and we're drilling, drilling, drilling.

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Speaker 1: After that, I'm not a dating Okay. That sounds to

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01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: me like you're going back to Trump knew exactly what

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Speaker 1: he was saying, the violence and the retribution. He skipped

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Speaker 1: over it and talked policy. But he knows exactly what

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Speaker 1: was being.

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Speaker 4: Because we don't know that except for day one. Can

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Speaker 4: encompass a lot of things. But let's take another look.

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01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 4: Because the interesting thing and I don't to be fair,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that was from this week, but

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Speaker 4: for for sure recent history this month, Sureles made another exactly,

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Speaker 4: he made other comments, and the entire GOP came out

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Speaker 4: and saying, oh, he didn't mean it, he didn't mean it.

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Speaker 4: He didn't mean it. I want you all to hear

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Speaker 4: in his own words, who he considers an enemy. Take

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Speaker 4: a listen.

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Speaker 12: That's an enemy from within. That's really that is a

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Speaker 12: threat to democracy. These are bad people. We have a

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Speaker 12: lot of bad people. But when you look at Shifty

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Speaker 12: Shift and some of the others, U, yeah, they are

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Speaker 12: to me, the enemy from with it. I think Nancy

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Speaker 12: Pelosi is an enemy from within.

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Speaker 4: Well, he goes on to say, he goes on to

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Speaker 4: name Adam Schiff and other people.

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Speaker 1: He also goes on to say he would use the military.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We also point out this is after Nancy Pelosi's husband

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Speaker 3: was damn near beat to death in her home. Like,

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Speaker 3: this is insane. This man, he's targeting our friends. He's

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01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 3: targeted literally recently targeted one of our friends. After after

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Speaker 3: after Sonny asked a question of Kamala Harris on the View,

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Speaker 3: he went after Sonny, he went after WHOOPI Goldberg like, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, this man went after Joy, went after Yeah, you.

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Speaker 5: Know that was right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to stop excusing and letting Republicans get

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Speaker 1: away with excuses shaping. I know we're not but but

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Speaker 1: but but I mean, I mean the media. It's not

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Speaker 1: just the media. I'm talking about the royal we of

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Speaker 1: all of us, which is he doesn't really mean it.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't really mean it. It may not apply to

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Speaker 1: anybody on this podcast. I may I apply to you

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01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: listening in your own car, but it applies by and

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Speaker 1: large to the royal we who keep thinking that there's

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Speaker 1: a check on him, that he can't do what he

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Speaker 1: wants to do. And by the way, he doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to do what he said he wants to do. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: y'all are just exaggerating that. Excuse time out for it.

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Speaker 1: The man is telling us, in plain sight exactly what

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Speaker 1: he wants to do, and I believe them. And that's

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Speaker 1: exactly why don't I don't believe you get another shot at.

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Speaker 3: The We didn't play the clip of him talking about

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Speaker 3: what would happen with funding from the Department of Education

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Speaker 3: for schools that taught that this country was built at

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Speaker 3: the hands of slaves and that it was on stolen land.

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Speaker 5: He said that he would defund those schools. I think

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Speaker 5: it's important for us to note that as well.

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Speaker 3: That is fascism. To end with the show in the

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01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 3: show there, that is the point. Can we end on

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Speaker 3: a happy night?

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Speaker 4: And can we talk about the show?

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01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Are we going to do a mini pod and then

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01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 4: we need to talk about the show.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get hope and change and many pride?

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01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 4: Really do y'all want to talk about hope and change

1364
01:11:59,240 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 4: on the mini bus?

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01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: We could talk about well, we could.

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Speaker 4: Want to talk about I don't know, Angela, what you got? Okay,

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Speaker 4: Well we don't know what we're going to talk about,

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Speaker 4: So stay tuned, pod tune into the mini pot. Can

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01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 4: I tell you the mini pody?

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Speaker 3: I tell you that's something I'm taking a point of

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Speaker 3: personal privilege for my birthday weekend coming up. My birthday wish.

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Speaker 3: My birthday wish is that you all will join us

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01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 3: in the atl shout it because we will be live

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01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 3: from the gathering spot on October twenty fifth. It is

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01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 3: spell House homecoming weekend, and there's no better place to

1376
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 3: be than in a town hall conversation with.

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01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 5: Native lamp pot where you are always welcome home.

1378
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 3: We are so close to this selection. We want to

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01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 3: ensure we are hearing your thoughts. We want to hear

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01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 3: the good, the bad, the ugly, then different. We could

1381
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 3: hear hope and change, We could hear fear and wrath.

1382
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 3: We want to hear all the things from you all

1383
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 3: at the gathering spot this Friday at one thirty pm

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Speaker 3: Eastern in Atlanta, atl Shardy Aten Town.

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Speaker 4: I got people text and me during this whole podcast.

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01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 4: People were texting me how can I get tickets to

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01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 4: come see you off Friday?

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01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 5: Tell them to go to native lad dot com and

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Speaker 5: sign up.

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01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 4: Okay, go to Native Land before.

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Speaker 1: We close, guys, any reflections on Detroit one for me?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, Thank you who came out and

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Speaker 1: sat down.

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Speaker 4: Anybody else, I thank you. It was a good show.

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Speaker 4: I am a little annoyed because Angela stole my cta,

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Speaker 4: but yes, my cta was gonna be. Angela's birthday is Saturday.

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Speaker 4: Everybody joined me and whizzing her happy birthday. She keeps saying,

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Speaker 4: the only things you want for her birthday is to

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Speaker 4: win the election and to do got Andrew.

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Speaker 1: We will, obviously we can do better than just winning

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Speaker 1: the election. For your birth you know.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna make it decide you guys.

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Speaker 5: Ever, I don't know. Maybe we talk about this on

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01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 5: the pot, but I'm like actually annoyed.

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Speaker 3: I don't want anything else I can when I tell you,

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Speaker 3: I can't think of anything else. I want to knock

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01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 3: on doors with my friends. I want to do phone banking.

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01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 3: If we go out to eat for snacks, I wanted

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01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 3: to talk to people in the restaurant like. I don't

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01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 3: know if like as gloom and doom as I was

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01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 3: like outside of seat he today, I don't know if

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01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 3: I am feeling like I.

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01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 5: Really believe we can convince stuff.

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01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 3: I believe we can convince some people to change their

1415
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 3: minds if they haven't turned into dog off ballats yet.

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01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 3: So I watch y'all to come see us, even if

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01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 3: you disagree. I want you to come see us on

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01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 3: Friday at the Gathering Spot. So my birthday wish from

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01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 3: the audience is come see us at the Gathering Spot

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01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 3: on ten twenty five. My shout out is to one

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Speaker 3: of our listeners who says she's a big fan from

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Speaker 3: New Jersey and she came to Detroit to see the show,

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Speaker 3: and she was so glad she did.

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Speaker 5: So we're so glad we got to beat you. Sis.

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Speaker 3: Forgive me for not knowing your name right now, but

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna look it up and shout you out next

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01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,799
Speaker 3: week as well. So we are so grateful.

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Speaker 4: That was my favorite part.

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Speaker 5: You're so grateful.

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Speaker 4: That was my favorite part. We had a meet and

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01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 4: greet before if y'all saw our live, we were talking

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01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 4: about that after the show wrapped. Angel you had to

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Speaker 4: run because you were running to a flight, guys, and

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01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 4: then Isla popped up in a wardrobe, say she left,

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Speaker 4: and then little Pink too, you want to.

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Speaker 5: Be closing a plane.

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Speaker 4: I thought you left and I didn't know that you

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01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 4: just went to that. I thought you left and went

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01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 4: back to the hotel and everything. That makes a lot

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01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 4: more sense. I was like, where did she go and

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01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 4: get back that past? Okay, that makes sense. But I

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01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 4: loved being able to come face to face with people,

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01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,799
Speaker 4: to hear what people like, and you know, just meeting

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01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 4: our listeners because we feel like we know y'all from

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01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 4: y'all comments and your questions, and we invite that. I

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01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 4: kept telling everybody put it on video and send it

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01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 4: to us. But that was honestly my favorite part. So

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Speaker 4: if y'all come to the gathering spot on Friday, like

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01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 4: we're not untouchable, you know, like we will mingo, we'll

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01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 4: chat with you guys. We'll here, we'll take your questions,

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01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 4: and hopefully we'll have time in the show. I don't know,

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01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 4: I haven't seen the run down, but hopefully we'll have

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01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 4: time in the show to have some interactive you know,

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01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 4: we live with.

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Speaker 3: You guys, dude with black Men. I feel like was honestly,

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01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 3: you guys. I hate to be biased, but I think

1457
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 3: Detroit was my favorite podcast ever. It was it felt

1458
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 3: it felt like it felt like we centered what we

1459
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 3: wanted to discuss and voices. It wasn't about somebody with

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Speaker 3: the platform. To me, it really was about hearing different

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01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,759
Speaker 3: perspectives and being engaged in a conversation.

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Speaker 5: It felt very It felt like welcome home.

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01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 3: It felt like a home kitchen table conversation, and I

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01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 3: really really enjoyed that. So thank y'all so much for

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01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 3: what you did to facilitate this amazing space every week,

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Speaker 3: TIF and Andrew.

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Speaker 4: It's no this the Detroit, but my favorite, to be

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Speaker 4: honest was Kim's Kim Black Oh that was Mia one too, Yes,

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Speaker 4: because it was interactive. We didn't have guests like we

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Speaker 4: just they could hear us talk and they could talk

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Speaker 4: with us. And everybody in that room had such wisdom

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Speaker 4: to lay out and had such deep interpersonal thoughts and

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01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 4: political strategy. Y'll take a like delivered a sermage. You know,

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Speaker 4: I just remember every comment. I'm like, man, we could.

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01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,719
Speaker 4: I wanted to cut that entire episode for social media because,

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Speaker 4: like all of it was so amazing, and I like

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Speaker 4: it when it's less guests. I know the viewers like

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01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 4: to have guests, but I like to have audience interacts,

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Speaker 4: you know. I like to hear from our viewers, and

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01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 4: I think our viewers want to hear what we have

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01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 4: to say. And I like when they can stand up

1482
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 4: and say, I don't know, Taveny, I disagree with that,

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Speaker 4: or like, I don't know Angela, I might have a

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Speaker 4: different thought, or like I love They always said we

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Speaker 4: love you Andrew, we voted for you, Andrew.

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Speaker 5: I love a g I love all the episodes, interested

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Speaker 5: none of them are my favorite. He got three kids.

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Speaker 1: They know they've all been different. Each of them have

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Speaker 1: all been different and have offered something I think very

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Speaker 1: special and unique to the listeners to be able to

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Speaker 1: walk away from because they certainly offered something different to me,

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Speaker 1: but all of them different and I love that part

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 5: Well, can I just shout out one more thing?

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Speaker 3: We had April Variton, who is the first black woman

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Speaker 3: president of s c IU ever. She joined us on

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Speaker 3: Saturday and to trade as well. Like even being six,

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Speaker 3: she was like, I'm knocking doors, I'm come talk to y'all.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna figure this out. That is a no limit

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Speaker 3: soldier right there. So April, we see you. We're very

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Speaker 3: grateful for your partnership for you, yes, and we got

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Speaker 3: your back for show.

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Speaker 1: So yes, that's real. We should all be pulling her

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01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: because when they win, we all win. Yeah, come on,

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Speaker 1: get it done. But before we end the show, y'all,

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