1 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Plan on paying less for the coverage you need with 3 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: Farm Bureau Health Plans. Get a quote today at FBHP 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: dot com with Amy Wells. I'm Mike Keith and we're 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: now joined by new Titans defensive coordinator Denard Wilson. Welcome 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: to the bed MGM studio to be here. We're glad 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: to have you, and you everybody wanted you this offseason. 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm glad the Titans got you. 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 2: I'm glad the Titans got me as well. I'm right 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: where I wanted to be. 11 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: This is a hot man right here. 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 3: He is a hot man, one of the most buzzed 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 3: about names. And Neil, here you are. 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: And now here you are. Okay, So the press conference 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: last week, you threw out a lot of names that 16 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: were influences. I mean a lot of names. It was 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: like you had just won an Academy award. Everybody. So, 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: what we wanted to do, and Amy's taking the lead 19 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: on this, we wanted to go through your history a 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: little bit to see where these names come into play. 21 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: Is that okay? That's fine, all right, So Amy take 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: it away. 23 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 24 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: I think what we're going to do is just show 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: you your life a little bit. So I'm going to 26 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: start at the very beginning, because you prepped at Domatha Catholic, 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 3: which is really close to Washington d C. Right, Okay, 28 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 3: So from there you signed with the University of Maryland, 29 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: where you were you were a four year letterman, yes, 30 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: three year starter in the secondary, and you spent the 31 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: last three seasons there playing for Ralph Frigin. 32 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: Correct, all right, so far so so after. 33 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: That, you signed as an undrafted free agent with Washington 34 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: in two thousand and four. Correct, head coach, there's Joe Gibbs. 35 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: Defensive coordinator was Greg Williams. Here we go, and Steve 36 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 3: Jackson was part of the secondary staff. So this is 37 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 3: where it gets interesting, Mike Key. 38 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: Okay, so Steve Jackson is on the staff here now, 39 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: and I don't think he was probably more coaching safeties 40 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: and nickels. 41 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: He was coaching me. He was my safety's coach. 42 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: Okay, good, you know. 43 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: Steve Jackson was here obviously Steve Jackson played for the 44 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: Oilers and Tights. Oh yeah, and you know he's a 45 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: hell of a coach and he's a great influence on me. 46 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: That's why I have him here with me. 47 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 1: Now, Okay, So Steve Jackson's your coach in Washington. You 48 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: had an injury, yes, and that basically ended it for you. 49 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, end of my career. I ended up breaking my 50 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: fibulaum on my left leg, came back again and then 51 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: got hurt again, and I ended up messing up my 52 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: other knee. So at that point, I was like, I'm 53 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: kind of done with playing football. I want to be 54 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: a football coach. So that's where a journey started, all right, 55 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: So the journey starts. What was it like being with 56 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: Greg Williams during that time? Well, playing then, you know 57 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: Greg was tough, all right. He was a tough minded 58 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: coach and he put a lot of pressure on the players. 59 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 2: So you had to you had to fight through a 60 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: lot of adversity, You had to be mentally tough, you 61 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: had to have a strong mindset. So all those things 62 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: that he was doing to instill that in us as players, 63 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 2: and then later being around him as a coach, it's 64 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: kind of some of the same things that I've been 65 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: able to pick up in my philosophy of coaching and 66 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 2: where we're going forward here. 67 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: So you mentioned you decided you wanted to be a coach. 68 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: So that's where we're going to pick up this story 69 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: because you go back to Damatha Catholic, Yes, decide to 70 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: coach there for a couple of years. Then you become 71 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: a graduate assistant at Maryland for two seasons. After that, 72 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: you make the move to the National Football League and 73 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: Jerry Angelo hired you as part of the scouting department 74 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 3: with the Chicago Bears. Now that is not coaching. 75 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: No, it's not coaching. So what happened was, you know, 76 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: I was coaching at the University of Maryland and I 77 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: was trying to get back into the National Football League. 78 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: And when you're a young coach in the college ranks, 79 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: it's hard to get a full time job, right because 80 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: everybody will say you don't have experience. So I was 81 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: working there at Maryland and I got a call actually 82 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: from Bobby de Paul. DePaul was the pro scout, the 83 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: head of pro scouting with the Chicago Bears. He's a 84 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: former university in Maryland Grant. So he calls me and say, hey, 85 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: I heard a lot about you. I followed your career 86 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: and I know you want to get in coaching. I 87 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: have an opportunity for you to come in and scout. 88 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: You do this for a few years, and if you 89 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: decide to stand scouting, you stay. If you decide to 90 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: go on coaching, you'll be better off as a coach 91 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: going into scouting then getting back into coaching, because his 92 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: big thing was you'll learn the ins and outs of 93 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: the building. You'll learn how to evaluate talent, You'll learn 94 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 2: how to work with both coaches and players, and the 95 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 2: knowledge that you have of how the organization works will 96 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: help you going forward. And you know, I give him 97 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: a lot of credit for that, and Jerry Angelo, but 98 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: that was probably one of the greatest things I've ever 99 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,559 Speaker 2: did in terms of professional growth, is going to scout 100 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 2: and then going back to the coaching. 101 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 3: It's pretty good advice. 102 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: It's very good advice. 103 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 3: So you were able to take that experience and in 104 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 3: twenty twelve you head to the RAMS. Yes, with Jeff Fisher, Yes, 105 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: and some of the names on there. I believe the 106 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: OT people are going to recognize because a couple Yeah, 107 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 3: you were a defensive quality control coach there, and then 108 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 3: you become the secondary coach and you're working with Dave McGinnis, 109 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: who is a friend of ours. Greg Williams of course, 110 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 3: who we've talked about Chuck Cecil and Frank Bush. 111 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: Frank Bush who's now again the Titans linebacker coach. 112 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: Yes, you know, just going to the RAMS was a 113 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: great opportunity. Greg Williams and I. We stayed in contact 114 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: after I was done playing, right because I made an 115 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: impression on him and I respected them how he went 116 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: about his business. So we stayed in contact and throughout 117 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: the scouting years. He was like, if I have an 118 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: opportunity for you to come, I'm on board. I'm going 119 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 2: to bring you on board. 120 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: Wow. 121 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: So he ends up leaving New Orleans, he goes to 122 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: the RAMS. I get a call from him, say are 123 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: you willing to come to Quality Control? And I just 124 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: jumped at it. You know, obviously I wanted to get 125 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: back and coaching, and you know, being around that staff 126 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: with Jeff Fisher and obviously Frank Bush, who's on the 127 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: staff now as a linebacker coach. Frank's one of my 128 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,559 Speaker 2: biggest mentors as a coach. When I was a young coach, 129 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: Frank Bush was the guy that kind of trained me 130 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 2: on how to throw things, how to set up your 131 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 2: power points, how to present certain things in the meeting 132 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: room with the players, so he was vital in my 133 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: development as well obviously getting his job. Who am I 134 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 2: going to surround myself with people that I trust and 135 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: people that I know are going to do it the 136 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: right way? And we both look at things, you know, 137 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: the same in terms of how we attack football. 138 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: So on the Frank Bush front, are you part of 139 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: the daily text that he sends out at like what 140 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: four point thirty in the morning where he has a 141 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: thought or a message or an inspirational sort of quote 142 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: or whatever it is. 143 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Frank, I guess he started this years ago. Every 144 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: morning he's an early riser, So my day is always 145 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: starting by competing with Frank to get in the building. 146 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: So I'm trying to get in the building before Frank 147 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: does every day because he's going to work out and 148 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: then he's gonna send out his quota today. But every 149 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: day during football season and whenever we're at work, he 150 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: sends out a quota to day and something inspirational. It's 151 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: things that you can actually take on a daily basis 152 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: and put it in front of your group of guys 153 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: and just talk on it, you know, because it's all 154 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: about experiences. How you get better at things, how do 155 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: you fight through adversity, when you're handling success when you're not. 156 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: It's those type quotes that's very inspirational when you can 157 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: use it on a daily basis. 158 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: He is a mentor to maybe hundreds of people. Yes, 159 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,119 Speaker 1: I mean it's amazing how many people will say Frank 160 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: Bush did this for me, or he's this, and he's 161 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: also man some kind of linebacker coach. 162 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of the best coaches I've ever been around. 163 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: You talking about being detailed getting the players to play 164 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: for him, playing at a high level. He's had all 165 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: kinds of different athletes, different personalities, and everywhere he's been 166 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: those players have played at a level higher than they're 167 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: supposed to in terms of their potential. And when he 168 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: gets into a room, guys get better and they enjoy 169 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: playing with them. He has an infectious personality. He's demanding 170 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: all at the same time, and he has a wealth 171 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: of knowledge and God's grabs to him. All. 172 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: Right, So you may be aware that on Titan's Radio, 173 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: Dave McGinnis works with us, right that he's a big 174 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: part of what we do. You're going to see him 175 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: in this building like every day. He's starting in March. 176 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: He will i mean, he kind of sleeps here. He's 177 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: coach Mack. He goes everywhere, he watches tape, he does 178 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: all those coach Mac things he has talked about. You 179 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: find lay for some time when you got to know him, 180 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: starting in twenty twelve, what was that like? 181 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: It was great? You know. Obviously Mac has had a 182 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: lot of the years of service International Football League, being 183 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 2: a head coach, being a linebacker coach. I mean, he 184 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: was part of one of the greatest, you know, defenses 185 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: and with the Chicago Bears. But Mac, you know, Mac 186 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 2: is a guy that's welcoming to everybody. If you listen, 187 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: you can gain a lot from him. And when he 188 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: feels a certain way about you, he's going to gravitate 189 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: to you as well. And you know, when I was 190 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 2: in Saint Louis through those years, you know, Mac would 191 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 2: grab me, bring me in his office and they talk about, hey, 192 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: you can be better this way, you can do this better, 193 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: You're actually getting better at this, you know. So it 194 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: was always encouraging, you know, being around Mac. And then 195 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: you know about his stories. No story, he has a 196 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 2: story about everything. 197 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: I know. 198 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you hear the same ones over and over. 199 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: We have, but ma's gonna whole court. But he's great. 200 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: You know. He gave me some great words of wisdom. 201 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: Last year before I went to Baltimore, I was at 202 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 2: the Combine and I didn't get a job that I 203 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: thought I was. I had a good opportunity to get 204 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: and Max said, you know what, it's going to be 205 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: the best thing to have happened to you. He said, 206 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: you're gonna move on from this. You're gonna grow and 207 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: a better opportunity will come for you. And guess what 208 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: the best opportunity I could have got was being here 209 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: with the Tennessee. 210 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: Well that's what we think. And you know, back to 211 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: coach McGinnis for a second, and he likes to give 212 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: all of us a hard time, and so we give 213 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: him a hard time back. But like Frank Bush, and 214 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: maybe even to a greater extent, he's been a mentor 215 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: to so many people. Yeah, I mean it's it's staggering 216 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: the head coaches you meet that almost I mean they 217 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: have to hug him, yeah, because they feel like they 218 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: owe him that start and those lessons and the way 219 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: he would give them chances to present in front of 220 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: the offense or the defense or the entire time so 221 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: they would learn how to do it. He's a master 222 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: teacher in this business. 223 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, he gives you an opportunity. It's funny you said that. 224 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: The first time I ever got in front of a 225 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: whole team is one day a coach had got sick 226 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: and he didn't make it in to the building, right, 227 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 2: So Jeff Fisher comes to Mac was like, someone has 228 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: to present this. So Max says to coach, to coach Fisher, 229 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: let the nard do it. And Fish was like, is 230 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: he ready to do it? Max said, you haven't seen 231 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: him in front of the room. I've seen him in 232 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: front of in front of the room, let him do it. 233 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: And I went up there and I presented. I forgot 234 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 2: what the situation was and people responded well to it. 235 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: But it was just him believing in me and then 236 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: telling Jeff Fisher when I was a quality to control 237 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: coach that I had the ability to speak in front 238 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: of people. That was huge for me as a young coach. 239 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: And he's bypassed several opportunities for himself to give other 240 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: people chances in that way. I mean, it's one of 241 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: please don't tell him. We said this ot people, but 242 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: we're bragging on coach back. Okay, I'm sorry, Amy, go 243 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: ahead here. This is your life. 244 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 3: Dennard Wilson, I know I don't want to lose. 245 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: No. How are we doing so far? We're hitting the 246 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: high points. There's the Steve Jackson connection, the Frank Bush connection. 247 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: We're working on all of it. Yes, And you know 248 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: we love the Greg Williams talk because that was our 249 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: guy before he was anybody else's guy. 250 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: Okay, So you've had your time with the Rams. We're 251 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 3: moving on now. We're going to New York. 252 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: We're going to New York and the Jets. 253 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: So you were the secondary coach there for four years. 254 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 3: You for the last two years were the passing game coordinator. 255 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 3: Let's talk about some of the names that you were 256 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: able to interact with in that situation. We've got Todd 257 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: Bowles as the head coach for two years. 258 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: He blitz his grandmother, Yeah right, Adam Grandma Adam Gase 259 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 2: was there for two years. 260 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: With the Jets, you're working with people like Casey Rogers, 261 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 3: Mike Caldwell, Steve jacks again, Joe Vitt, Frank Bush, and 262 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: there's Greg. 263 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: Williams, Williams. 264 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 2: It's I never ended circle. 265 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: You have your squad. 266 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: I have my squad. It's it's the people I've been around. 267 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: It's kind of you know, I've been trained in many systems, 268 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 2: but the verbiage, the way we handle business, the way 269 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: we go about teaching players, the way we have high expectations, 270 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: how we are demanding on people. It's a philosophy, a 271 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: mindset that we've had in that in that tight circle, 272 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: It's funny you talk about going to the Jets and 273 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: Steve Jackson. Again, Steve Jackson was out of a job. 274 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: So if you how things go full circle, he's my coach. 275 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 2: When I first come in the National Football League, He's 276 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: out of a job. I was the lead dB coach, 277 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: past game coordinator, and I need an assistant. Guess what 278 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: I go get Steve Steve Jackson. So it's it's it's 279 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: crazy how everything goes full circle. But in that moment, 280 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 2: in that time, I trusted him. I knew I knew 281 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: the coach. I know the coach that he is, and 282 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: I know how you coach and how detail he is. 283 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: So obviously having them then and then having them now 284 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: was huge for me. 285 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm a Todd Bowles fan, I always have been. I 286 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: just think he does it the right way. He just 287 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: class all the way and there's a professionalism to how 288 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: he goes about the job. And they're also very successful, 289 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: particularly on defense. What is it about Greg Williams plan 290 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: which is attacking that is somewhat different and somewhat similar 291 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: to Todd Bowles plan which is attacking. 292 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: This is the misconception about attack defense. Attack defense isn't 293 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: just the pressure package. It's the mindset and it's the 294 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: way you play when you attack. It's about attacking the 295 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, being violent at the point of attack. 296 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: It's about your effort running to the ball. It's about 297 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: the competitive nature in which that you play. And then 298 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: you mix it in with bringing pressure off the edges, 299 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: bringing pressure off the quarterback or up the middle to 300 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: affect the timing the quarterback. So being being an aggressive 301 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: defense isn't always about the blitz packages. It's about the 302 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: mindset and the way that you play football. You're not catching, 303 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: you're attacking other people. 304 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: You're playing offensive defense. 305 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: You're trying to dictate to them instead allowing them to 306 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: dictate to you. 307 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: I don't know that I've ever heard a defensive philosophy 308 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: described in terms of a mindset as opposed to in 309 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: terms of a scheme. I think that's very interesting. 310 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: Well, but look where he's been and look who he's 311 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: been with. I mean, is is a I mean you 312 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: mentioned that name. 313 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: You're pulling out names. 314 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: I mean, Joevitt is a I mean what a football code? 315 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: This is great? Mind? 316 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: What did you learn from him? Most? 317 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: Jovid is? The biggest thing I learned from Joevid is 318 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: how to connect with people Like Jovid He's a He's 319 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: an outstanding guy. In front of the room. He can 320 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: galvanize people, but it's about he can he can bring 321 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: a group together and make them players want. He can 322 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: get people to believe in one another better than I've 323 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: ever seen in my life. And when he speaks in 324 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: front of people, he moves you. And that's one of 325 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: the biggest things I took from him, is like he 326 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: can grab the attention of anyone and you're gonna be 327 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: dialed into him and you're gonna believe what he says. 328 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: But he's a man that believes what he says, and 329 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: he says what he means. 330 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: He was always, by some considered the secret weapon of 331 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints during the greatest period in their history. 332 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: You think that's fair. 333 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: I say it's fair because Joevitt he's more analytical than 334 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: a lot of people think. So the small details on 335 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: how teams were attacking, who was in a game, Why 336 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: should we pressure? Why shouldn't we pressure? He was helping 337 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: Greg with piece and all that together. You know, joevit 338 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: is he's a great coach. And obviously he can't stay 339 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: away because he retired and then he went back to 340 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: the Denver Broncos right now, so he said he was 341 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: done and he enjoyed playing golf, and then next thing 342 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: you know, he's back with Sean Payton. 343 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: Are they ever done? 344 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: It's hard. 345 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: It's hard. Okay, Amy, you're doing great, by the way, 346 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: Thank you. 347 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. We're moving on from New York now 348 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 3: we're heading to philadelph. 349 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: Four years with the Jets, four years. 350 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 3: Yes, and now we're moving to Philadelpha, going to Philadelphia, 351 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 3: Run Philadelphia. You're with the Eagles for two years. Jonathan 352 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: Gannon's the defensive coordinator there. Correct, What was that experience 353 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 3: like working. 354 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: With John It was kind of funny because you know, 355 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: Jonathan ends up getting a defensive coordinator job, but Jonathan 356 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: was the coach that used to call me as a 357 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: dB coach about technique. But and it's funny because I 358 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 2: knew him through Jerry Gray right, who used to be. 359 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: Here and. 360 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 2: He used to be as assistant. So that's how I 361 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 2: knew Jonathan. And when he was actually here, we had 362 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: a lot of communication about defensive back play, you know, 363 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: just little things. So he will call. We had a connection, 364 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: and one day, I think it was right before the 365 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, right before one of the Super Bowls, I 366 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 2: get a call from him like, would you be interested 367 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: in and in going to Philadelphia? And I was like yeah, 368 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 2: but I didn't understand. I didn't know that he was 369 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 2: talking about to be the defensive coordinator. And then one 370 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 2: day he calls me said I got the job, you 371 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 2: want to come? And I jumped at it. And then 372 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: obviously I was going closer down ninety five to be 373 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: closer to family back in Maryland, So. 374 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: That worked out well. Jonathan one of the smartest people 375 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I mean the fact that he and 376 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith were here together as young assistant coaches for 377 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: Mike Munchak, which I mean, it's really stunning that we 378 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: had that kind of brain power in the room at 379 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: one point last year. They were obviously both had coaches, 380 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: and I think Arthur will be again. But the cerebral nature, 381 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 1: he didn't necessarily play the same style of defense, not 382 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: known as much for the quote unquote attacking. 383 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jonathan believed in keeping a roof over the defense, 384 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: eliminated explosive plays, still playing fast, still playing physical, and 385 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: taking the ball away. And that was that was his approach. 386 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: He was going to be coverage first. When he pressured, 387 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 2: it was going to be timely pressures when he knew 388 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: that he can attack certain protections and he knew that 389 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 2: he can get home when he called it. But it 390 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 2: was more pass first, keep a roof over it, play 391 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 2: good pattern, match underneath defense, stay connected at the top 392 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: of the routes. And then when you do that, and 393 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: when you're connected at the top of the routes a 394 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: meaning I'm attached to receivers, it creates a hesitation for 395 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: the quarterback because there's nowhere to throw. And then when 396 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: you have elite pass rushers like we had in Philly, 397 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: all right, when you're connected and know where to throw, 398 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: guess what happened? You get seventy some sacks. 399 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: That's true, that works. Could we order that? Now? 400 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: Remember this, it's not about scheme, it's about players. 401 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: I know. There you go, Mike, Hey, okay, I'll sit 402 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: down now. 403 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 2: All right. 404 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 3: We are closing a geographical loop here because we started 405 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 3: in Maryland, or it started, and we are now ending 406 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 3: in Baltimore, where you spent the twenty twenty three season 407 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 3: with John Harbaugh and Mike McDonald, of course, and that 408 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: was kind of your last stop before you came here. 409 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 3: Tell me about being in Baltimore. 410 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: Man, Baltimore was great. You talk about all the coaches. 411 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 2: John Harball is amazing. Obviously, when you're doing it fifteen 412 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: plus years, there's nothing he hasn't seen right. And his 413 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: timing in terms of getting the players together, his timing 414 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 2: on when things are going well, is timing on when 415 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: when it's going bad, when he can communicate and bring 416 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: the unit and make him stay focused at the job 417 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 2: at hand. Like every day we talked about every day 418 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 2: was about being one and zero, and then we talked 419 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 2: about winning, but he abbreviated winning to what's important now 420 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 2: and those are all the small things. So Harpes was man. 421 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: It was great working for Harpes and obviously we won. 422 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: We played good, complimentary football. You know, almost had a 423 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: chance to We really had a chance to go to 424 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, fell short. And then Mike McDonald, I mean, 425 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: he's gonna to me. Mike's gonna have rate success in Seattle. 426 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: He's one of the smartest guys I've ever been around. 427 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: He's the mixture of the cerebral with the aggressive and 428 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: you know, I love I love my time with him. 429 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 2: We we created a great connection, a great bond. He's 430 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: a brother for life. Baltimore was a great experience for me. 431 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: Seed Geek is now the official ticketing partner of the 432 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. Whether you're buying or selling tickets to Titans 433 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: games or any other live event in Nashville, Seat Geek 434 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: is the place to do it. Seat Geek the new 435 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: official ticketing partner of the Tennessee Titans. 436 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: So now we are here in present day. 437 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: Wait, so, Titans fans, I'm sorry your line. 438 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 3: No, I got really excited. 439 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna ask him, well, I ask him something else. 440 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: He's gonna have to go soon. So Denard Wilson, Titans 441 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, with us on the OTP. 442 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 3: We've brought We've gone through your entire your life now 443 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 3: your professional life. Now here we are in Nashville, and 444 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 3: you are able to take all of these pieces and 445 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 3: put them together in this new role. How does one 446 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 3: do that? How do you take a piece of everything 447 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 3: and consolidate it into your mindset, your philosophy, the way 448 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 3: that you're approaching this new position. 449 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: Well, it just didn't start when I got here. Throughout 450 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 2: those courts of years, from the journeys that I've taken, 451 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 2: in the people that I've been around, I've been formulating 452 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 2: what I've been wanting to do the whole time. I've 453 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 2: been preparing myself for certain situations, having a game plan 454 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 2: on how I'm going to structure things with the coaching staff, responsibilities, 455 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 2: those things. And really it goes back to Greg Williams. 456 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: Greg Williams is one of the most organized, detailed individuals 457 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 2: there is and I was a quality control coach for them, 458 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 2: so I had all the information. So I started to 459 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: build the way I would do things and run things. 460 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 2: Not last year or this year, this happened about ten 461 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 2: years ago. 462 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: Wow. 463 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: So as you go through these experience with these other 464 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: people that you've been around, you say, oh, I'm gonna 465 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: take that. I'm gonna put this into how I'm gonna 466 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 2: do it. I'm gonna take this out of it because 467 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 2: the game has evolved a little bit and this doesn't 468 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 2: hold the same weight that it did before. So it's 469 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: been the years of like I say, a long obedience 470 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 2: in the same direction where I've gotten to this point. 471 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: Now it's time to just put it all on paper, 472 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 2: put the film together, put it to life, and let 473 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: the players go do what they need to do. 474 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: Ask you about a couple of staff members outside of 475 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about Steve Jackson and Frank Bush 476 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: on your staff here Tracy Rocker, Yeah, and getting him 477 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: here back here, right? What a teacher? What a just 478 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: a quality human being? Why was he important to sort 479 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: of this formula that you've built in the defensive coaching 480 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: staff through Brian Callahan. 481 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: Well, like you said, he's a great person. And every 482 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: person that you've talked about that's here and that's on 483 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 2: that defensive staff are great people first, right, But Tracy, 484 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: he's a hell of a teacher, you know. And when 485 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 2: you're down in the trenches with the big guys, it's 486 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: a little bit different. Like being with the DB's is 487 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: a whole different world. And being with the big guys 488 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: is a different world. And he has a way about 489 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 2: himself that he can he can identify with them on 490 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: and off the field. He can teach them, but he's 491 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 2: also there to help them through through life, you know 492 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 2: that stuff that happens in life outside of the football field. 493 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: He's a great connector, like he can bridge the gap 494 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 2: and like you said, he's fun to be around. You know, 495 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 2: it's never a bad day with Tracy. Every day that 496 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: he comes in the building, it's a smile. He's gonna work, 497 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: he's gonna work his tail off, and uh, you know 498 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 2: he's gonna get the guys to play play hard, play physical, 499 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 2: and play smart. 500 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: So you're a secondary guy, you convince or offer or 501 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: however you want to say it. Chris Harris to stay 502 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: as the lead dog in the secondary so to speak. Uh, 503 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: very impressive last year and what we saw from him. 504 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: Why was it important to have Chris Harris as part 505 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: of the staff. 506 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 2: Well, obviously it's continuity. He knows the players and we 507 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: say this is a player's driven league, right, So he 508 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 2: had a great connection with those guys. And then just 509 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 2: watching from afar. Right, when you're a dB coach, you 510 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 2: you're watching everybody like you're watching what every other DV 511 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: coach is doing and how well their players play, and 512 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 2: everywhere that he's been. Even when he was an assistant 513 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 2: with the Chargers, those guys played well. Funny thing about Chris, 514 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: you don't know this connection. When I was a scout 515 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: for the Chicago Bears, Chris Harris was a player. 516 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: It was a Chicago Bear. Yeah. 517 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 2: So I've known Chris since about Wait. 518 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: You know, so is he crazier on the practice field 519 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: than you? Or are you crazier than he? I'm full 520 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: of high energy. Well yeah, and he's certainly low energy. 521 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. I mean it's all about comprom competing. Yeah, 522 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna compromise for competing. So we'll see. We'll 523 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 2: see when we get on the field. 524 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: Who who is an ultimate if you draw him up, 525 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: who is an ultimate? Uh? Denard Will? Football player? Who 526 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: as a player represents what you want to have in 527 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: your defense? 528 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: Brian Dawkins. Ah, yeah, I want people that play. I 529 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: want guys that play with a certain mindset. Right. You know, 530 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: you know you hear the term dog all the time. 531 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: In my opinion, you know what a dog is, He's 532 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 2: a discipline with grit, and that's the type guy those 533 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 2: those are the type guys that want around me. I 534 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 2: want guys that's discipline. They're on the field and they're 535 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: they're they're they're gritty. You know, they can dig down 536 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: deep when things get tough and they can find something 537 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 2: within themselves to take it to another to another level. 538 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: That's that's willing to play so hard for so long 539 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: that they make other people quit. That's the type guys 540 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 2: I want. 541 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to spend any time with 542 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons Jet. 543 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've met with Jeffrey once he came into the building. 544 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 2: I mean he's a big man, so you know, we 545 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: just we just talked a little bit football, got to 546 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: know each other a little bit. You know, he's been 547 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: a hell of a player here and we expect him 548 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: to keep doing the same thing. It's it's up to 549 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 2: us to put on positions to keep having success. But 550 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: you know, he's a guy that can wreck shop and 551 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 2: you can't have enough of those guys. And then the 552 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: greatest thing that I've learned about him, you know, just 553 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: walking and building. He's a hell of a teammate. And 554 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 2: the guys the guys. They appreciate him, they respect him, 555 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 2: and because he plays so hard and he's such a 556 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,959 Speaker 2: good player, the other players will follow suit. So it's 557 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: great to have those guys. 558 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: It's been great to have you sitting with us. Thank 559 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: you for the time. This is fun. Thank you all. 560 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: The press conference was a huge hit. The fans are 561 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: very excited. 562 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited. 563 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: Would you blitch grandma? 564 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: I will blitch grandma. 565 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 3: That's great, that's what I want to hear. 566 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: I will blitz grandma. 567 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: Grandma got run over by a defensive end or a corner. 568 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: It's all about it. To me, it's all about winning, 569 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: and I don't care who's in a way. We gotta 570 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 2: go through it. 571 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: Dinard Wilson, thank you so much for any wells I 572 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: Mike Keith, thank you for joining us for this special 573 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: edition of the O T