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Speaker 1: action Fire Up the Morning podcast. We shared some takeaways

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Speaker 1: That's the other podcast from today. But guys, the NBA

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Speaker 1: trade deadline is about a month away, and look, let's

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Speaker 1: be honest. Our two teams disappointing this season, not living

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Speaker 1: we thought, wouldn't it be fun to discuss whether or

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Speaker 1: blow it up. That's a popular phrase out there, right,

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Speaker 1: rebuild from the ground up or retool, rebuild, retool you

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Speaker 2: A couple more than a couple multiple Wow, in my case.

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Speaker 2: I don't want you to see it. Don't look at this.

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Speaker 1: fun if like you tasks as the Raptors fan, did

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Speaker 1: a rebuild trade and a retool trade for the Chicago

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Speaker 2: Well, let's go big. I don't think that Zach Lavine

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Speaker 2: the most enticing for Carnaishavs and Eversley in the Bulls

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Speaker 2: front office in this scenario, is the picks not the greatest, No,

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Speaker 2: Isn't this proposal what you'd kind of expect for zach

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Speaker 1: Well, the Bulls would have two Todds.

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Speaker 1: This isn't easy. No DeRozan for Kuzma. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: Like probably early in his career you would say Tomato

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Speaker 1: Let me, let me, let me entice it something else

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Speaker 1: Ass, all right. Those are the Bulls trades, yeah, from Tassi,

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Speaker 1: send him in, tweet them in at no dunksin' going

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Speaker 1: It's Trey's turn to come up with some hypothetical trades

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Speaker 3: Like until last night, it had been since November twenty

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Speaker 3: It happened for twelve straight days when they played on

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Speaker 1: First, they they ain't got it right now.

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Speaker 1: We're giving up an all NBA player.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very unlikely Messiu Jeri would trade his

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Speaker 1: praying that they hit a top three pick, top two

431
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 1: pick for a scooter women or something.

432
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 2: But in reality, this team ain't good right now. So yes,

433
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,479
Speaker 2: so yes, we're tanking. But how much worse is uh,

434
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 2: Fred og, Cam Johnson, DeAndre and I missing the power

435
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 2: forward type team Scotty Scott? Yeah, I miss Scott. It's unfortunately,

436
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 2: it's unfortunate that I'm skipping Scotty's name. How much worse

437
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 2: is that is? We're five games under five hundred, six

438
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 2: games under five hundred.

439
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 3: I will say I envisioned this as the first of

440
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 3: many trades Fred van Vliet. That would be like if

441
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 3: Siakam gets traded, then Van Vleet gets traded and shout

442
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 3: out to Jack coo god for this one. He would

443
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 3: be traded Fred van Vliet to the Washington Wizards for

444
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: Ruy Hatchamura, Will Barton and another pick. Ohow okay, So

445
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 3: I'm honestly I'm targeting picks mostly. Yeah, the Dators in

446
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 3: the blow it Up trade here alongside Ayton, who was

447
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 3: a number one pick not too long ago. He's got

448
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 3: a big deal right now. And Cam Johnson was a

449
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 3: first rounder as well. Looks like to be a solid

450
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 3: role player, maybe starter at the very Yeah. Yeah, honestly,

451
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 3: you could probably talk James Jones into giving another pick

452
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 3: as well.

453
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Speaker 1: That guy hates drafting.

454
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very good point. Yeah, and the pick

455
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 2: could be pretty decent. With Chris Paul at the end

456
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: of the run there, the twenty twenty five pick could

457
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: be juicy. It's unlikely that Messiah trades Pascal. It's this guy, yeah,

458
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 2: but more so than the Bulls, they are a little

459
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: further along. And I know it was a different era.

460
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: The championship era was a different era, but this is

461
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: year seven for past scal, year seven for Fred van Vliet.

462
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 2: These guys have been there for a long time. I

463
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 2: doubt it. I doubt it. I doubt this would happen,

464
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: But I think the package is pretty decent. They do

465
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 2: lose their top end talent, there's no doubt, but they'd

466
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: still be as solid as they are really. I know,

467
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: I know that sounds a little nuts, but they're finally

468
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: getting a center and DeAndre eight and it's not a

469
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 2: backpackage at all.

470
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: We are I mean, look, they lost to the Bucks

471
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: last night in overtime, I mean miraculously came back to

472
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: even force overtime, but they losing the Anti honest there

473
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: and Grayson Allen in the corner. But they have a

474
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: home stand here right now, and it's like this is

475
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: the make or break point of the Raptors season and

476
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: they're down bad I mean right now. But they're at

477
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: home here against the Knicks, the Blazers, two against the

478
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: Hornets and then the Hawks. I mean, you have very

479
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: little confidence in this team right now to win four

480
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: of those or something like that. So like if they

481
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: go one in five here, if it just completely falls apart,

482
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: then yeah, he is I will leave miss IGERI and

483
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: Bobby Webster will they will whatever lean into being bad

484
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season by trading. I don't

485
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: think Siakam, but some of those other guys, uh, And

486
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: I think that would be the right call, because like, hell,

487
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: they're a lot closer than to like winning the damn

488
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: lottery than they are doing anything of making a play

489
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: in or again getting into the into playoffs and actually

490
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: making some noise. If they continue to slide here at home, Yeah,

491
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: this is important. My point is this is important. What

492
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: five stres five games, I.

493
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Speaker 2: Guess and I do agree, if they're gonna be anything

494
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: this season, it's now or never, And it's now or

495
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: never sort of for Fred van Vliet really, because this

496
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 2: trade would not give the Raptors back any ball handlers. Uh.

497
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: They they'd be losing Passcal Siakam and they'd be getting

498
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: bigger and Fred would be every possession that would be

499
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: Fred primarily, So the Raptors could use a little help

500
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: in this scenario handling ball. But I guess it is,

501
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 2: you know, the first of many trades if we're looking

502
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: at this specific trade. But I also agree if it's uh,

503
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be Pascal, it's gonna be somebody else.

504
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 2: And I know this retooling trade that you're gonna get

505
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 2: to trades not Pascal.

506
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: Let's tinker. Let's see Tinker away. As the Uniques says

507
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: here in this dream team, the Raptors need a center.

508
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: It's true.

509
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna address that for you here with this

510
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: retooling trade. The Raptors trade away Otto, Porter, kem Birch,

511
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 3: and Ogannobi plus a lottery protected pick to the Atlanta

512
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: Hawks for Clint Capella and Bogdan Bogdanovich.

513
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 2: Og, you buried the lead, you throw, you throw out Birch,

514
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: and then Og comes in plus a pick.

515
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting.

516
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: I think that's too much.

517
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: I think I don't mind something going on here, though.

518
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: There's something here interesting.

519
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 3: You want me to take you behind the machine. Here's

520
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: what I thought of. I was trying to trade O

521
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: Jannoby for a center first up. So honestly, Og for

522
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 3: Capella is the basic trade. Like that works right away?

523
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 3: They could do it straight up, that wouldn't.

524
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: Happen like that.

525
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: I added Bogdanovic because the Raptors need a little ball handling,

526
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 3: They need a lot of outside shooting. Yeah, he would

527
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: be a nice fit alongside them there. However, if you

528
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 3: just wanted to do Capella for Og, then I think

529
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: the picks are probably coming to the Raptors from the Hawks.

530
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: The Hawks have their first this year, they could trade,

531
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: they could trade I think the King's first next season.

532
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: So there are some middle of the round picks kind

533
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: of that would be coming from Atlanta to Toronto.

534
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: If you just wanted to do straight up Capella for Og. Yeah,

535
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: because this isn't this is a retool, This is not

536
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: really about picks, like, oh, we got another chance to

537
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: land like a top five star in the draft. This

538
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: is we have glaring holes in our team center, very

539
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: little shooting, no bench whatsoever, and we have a lot

540
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: of or at least you can talk yourself into Og,

541
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: Scottie Barnes, and Siakam. There's some overlap in our good players,

542
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: so let's move one of them Og. In this case,

543
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: four needs.

544
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: Two needs trades working that machine, and they work in

545
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: that machine. Although there would be an outrage in Toronto

546
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: if this trade went through as is, because Og plus

547
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: a pick primarily, that's what you're trading. If rumors are

548
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 2: to be believed, OG would get three picks back to

549
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: the Raptors on his own. Now that those rumors are wrong.

550
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: But that's a lot. That's a lot to get back

551
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: for Og and and Obi. But at the same time,

552
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't. I don't think this is enough.

553
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: You are you are alluding to it? Was it a

554
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: professor zech Lowe saying that, you know, some executives thought

555
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: Og would warrant a Donovan Mitchell like, yeah, return.

556
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: Almost on par I think the exact wording was, So

557
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: what is almost on par means two, I guess yeah,

558
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: on par would be three picks, so twog for two picks. Yeah,

559
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 2: so if we're going back the other, like to your

560
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: initial version of this trade, Clint plus a pick for

561
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: og you doing that? Obviously the Raps are still lacking

562
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: ball handling in that scenario. Yeah, yeah, they just they

563
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: need help. Well do you want to read? Yeah, you

564
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: don't want to give it.

565
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 3: It'd be better if it was Clint Capella from two

566
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: years ago. Yeah, when he was leading the league in

567
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: rebound rebound. Yeah, he's slowing down.

568
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: He's slowing down. He feels like he's injured every you

569
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: know week, it's something new.

570
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: And he's twenty eight, but he is slowing down. And

571
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: Bogdan too. I was shocked to see that he's thirty

572
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: already and he's not having a great year. And the

573
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: whole Milwaukee fighting over Atlanta for him, fighting with that

574
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: was a couple of years ago, and Bogdan ended up

575
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: with with the Hawks. He has not been what people

576
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: thought he'd be. Yeah, I mean he struggled with injuries

577
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: for sure. For sure he would love Toronto though he

578
00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: would he would a lot of.

579
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Ogobi? Like what is he

580
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: going to get two first round picks back in return?

581
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: Is he that?

582
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: To He's only twenty five, He's obviously a two way

583
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: player in this league. He's an elite defensive player, Like

584
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: he's a menace on that. Yeah, and this year struggled

585
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: with a shot and stuff like that. Yeah, what do

586
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: you think. I think he's worth two things whatever.

587
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: It may be two good players, a pick and a

588
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: player or two picks, and I think that that's I mean,

589
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: it will depend on how many sellers we end up

590
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: having in the NBA, because if like Ogi's the biggest

591
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: name that's on the trade block, then the return will

592
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: obviously increase there. But to me, he's kind of like

593
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: a two piece player. He's a two way player, so

594
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: he should get a decent player.

595
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: And a pick, is what.

596
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: I would kind of be looking for somebody to plug

597
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: the hole in the center and then something for the

598
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 3: future as well. I just couldn't bring myself to do

599
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: another Yakham Pertle trade.

600
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it.

601
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, you know that's who everybody wants, right Bertle Power,

602
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: the one guy beside traded away, and he's like, I

603
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: got a gam mat I missed him.

604
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: We did a damn center.

605
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: Any other thoughts on the wraps, No, No, I do

606
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: think if we're looking at their big three, sorry Scotty

607
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: right now, right now, Scott, he's not part of the

608
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: big three. If we're looking at og fred in Pascal,

609
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: I think Fred is the more likely player to go

610
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: if they were going to make a deal.

611
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: Well, A big part of that too, is his contract

612
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: coming up, right, Like, he's got a player option, which

613
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: I am assuming with the free agent class in the summer,

614
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: he's going to turn down and hit the market. I

615
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 1: mean it's like twenty two million, which is nothing, right.

616
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: I know he's not having a great year, but still

617
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: he's a good point guard. That's like a part of

618
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: the equation here, right Like, I don't think i'd want

619
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: to be the next team to have to pay Fred

620
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: van Vliet, probably more than you were gonna want to. Now.

621
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: He might come through in that first year, that new

622
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: deal or whatever it is, but as it goes on,

623
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: I don't know back and I'm less convinced.

624
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's scary. It's scary right now watching him

625
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: because it seems like he's got so many any little

626
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: ningling injuries that are bothering him.

627
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: Back issue, crying out loud. Yeah, and so last night

628
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: against the Bucks, he was still playing his ass off,

629
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: like that's the thing. Oh no, it's not from not trying.

630
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm a little interested in all these comments. He continues

631
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: to say about, Well, what's different is I don't have

632
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: the ball as much. Yep, there's some truth to it.

633
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: I mean it will get a usage percentage and it

634
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: is going through Sakamore and Scotty Moore. They're trying to

635
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: make as a playmaker big like he's like, I think

636
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm trying to find that role. And he's

637
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: also feels like he's saying, give me the ball back.

638
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, he's saying that. Yeah, he's definitely saying that.

639
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: And I think they'd have more victories. If he's had

640
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: the ball now Scotty played like year one Scotty, then

641
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: they'd probably be in a good scenario. But it hasn't

642
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: been that way. I hear what Freddy's saying.

643
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: People don't think fred van Vliet will get more than

644
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: twenty two million in his next contract. But the way

645
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: he's playing now, he's not playing well now. But it's

646
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: I think we've had a hard time adjusting to what contracts.

647
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: That's what I first started. Exactly million is an easy

648
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: starter salary. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's my opinion on it.

649
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: So I think. So I'm not saying he's going to

650
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: be like a forty million dollar guy or.

651
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: Anything like that. Twenty eight getting Yeah, right, there's going

652
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: to be more contract that's going to happen. Right, A

653
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: good point the one.

654
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: That he yea, I will bet on him even though well,

655
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: look he is playing poorly, but I think even then

656
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: he will explore the market. I think he'll you know,

657
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: turn down that player option the twenty two for next season.

658
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: You'd bet on him, and he'd bet on him. He

659
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: always bets on himself, right, and it worked out. OG

660
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: the the OG. The idea around O G and the

661
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: trade package that he would get in return is it's bonkers.

662
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: It's it's we just mentioned the three picks. Obviously that's

663
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: a lot, but I wonder I understand the whole If

664
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: the whole league wants him, then yeah, a couple of

665
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: good picks I imagine would come back and return. And

666
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: if you're tearing it down, then go for it, I guess.

667
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: But he's O G. He's another Toronto son. Don't trade him.

668
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: We got five games to figure it out at home.

669
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: What they're doing here, and uh, we'll see what Missia

670
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: and Bobby webs are do. They don't usually make a

671
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: lot of trades during the season. Messiah, he's a he's

672
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: like A. I know he did the Marcosol one Fad

673
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: Young last year. Honestly, when you look back at it, now,

674
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: that's a bad trade.

675
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: They traded a first rounder for that Young and I

676
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: think Drew U Banks U Banks is now on the Blazers.

677
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 3: Fad Young doesn't play, and if they would have kept

678
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 3: their pick that they ended up trading, they could have

679
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: just taken Walker Kessler.

680
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: That solves a lot of problems if they have Walker

681
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: Kesselr there. But i'll see if they did make it

682
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: to the playoffs last year and uh lost in the first.

683
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: Roup, Yeah yeah, yeah to me like that Mark Kessler,

684
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: that guy, he's good, that's all. That's all. He surprised

685
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: a lot of people though with how good he Yes, definitely.

686
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: Definitely, no one thought he'd be better than Rudy Gobert.

687
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: All right, we have the screen team.

688
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: Should the Raptors blow it up, what do you think

689
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: they said sixty three percent is the answer.

690
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: So yes, yes, of course everybody wants to blow it up,

691
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: like we want content, We want to debate the trades

692
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,959
Speaker 1: that hopefully happen, like uh yeah. And I think even

693
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: like they are in a tough spot here, like this

694
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: is an interesting roster build. Make up this six or

695
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: nine vision so tired of hearing that you know it

696
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: has its faults. Is what we're learning. You need goddamn

697
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: shooting in the in this league, and it helps you

698
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: have the center and some perimeter defense inside. So yeah,

699
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: I think they should retool. I'm I'm in that camp

700
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: that a van Vliet or an og in my opinion,

701
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: should be moved. And I think how both of these

702
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: guys have value across this league to the right team

703
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: and you get something back, hopefully a player that helps

704
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: a need and then maybe a pick. I think that's

705
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: a good way that you put it, a player and

706
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: a pick.

707
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: Possibly only sixty three percent though from eighty percent with

708
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: the bull say blow it up. Maybe maybe we're having

709
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: effect on people. I think we're having effect on people

710
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: to rain them in a little bit. You can just

711
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: blow it up, because I would think eighty percent would

712
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 2: be the standard.

713
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Raptors have a little bit better future going forward.

714
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: They got the raining rookie of the year in Scotti,

715
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: even if you had had a great season yet so far,

716
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: and they haven't traded picks far in the future, which

717
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 3: you know, got the whole war chest, got that whole chest,

718
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: it does.

719
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: I'm some surprised you don't like the six nine vision

720
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: because you like saying six six six. Why can't you

721
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: say six six? And you like saying nice as well.

722
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: I do like saying it should be six'. Nine nice, Vision,

723
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: yeah nice. VISION i just heard it too many. TIMES

724
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: i listened to too Many raptors podcasts and watch too

725
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: Many raptors, games and, uh and the. Vision it's like, me,

726
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: MAN i you gotta get laser eye. Surgery i'm not

727
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: seeing the vision with. This you see a lot of,

728
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: wins a lot of. L's that's What i'm.

729
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 2: Saying just come, On, fred come, on fraid.

730
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: You have another, Baby, Fred let's take our final break

731
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: when we come. BACK i do have some trade, rumors

732
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: actual ones to throw at, you. Guys don't go, anywhere all.

733
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: Right still here in the classic factory, hypothetical trades are

734
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: a trip man AND i say that because The raptor's son's.

735
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: Hypothetical that trade came up with earlier in this podcast

736
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: With siakam in the rebuild sort of phase from The

737
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: raps going to The suns for that deal that Had

738
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: crowder eight And Cam johnson and a pick coming back

739
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: For siakam And gary Tren. Junior it got shared by

740
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: At Suns jam AND i say they're a trip because

741
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: they ask On, twitter, hey this was a trade they

742
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: threw out on no, dunks yes or. No they're Asking

743
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: suns Fans, Siakam gary Tren junior coming back again for

744
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: eight and camp a pick And Jake. Carter people are

745
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: either like one hundred percent absolutely send it, in let's.

746
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: Go and then right after that tweet this is a horrible.

747
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: Trade this is the worst trade. Ever it's, like it's

748
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: amazing how polar hypothetical trade can.

749
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 3: Be it's also when it's the team that you're a fan,

750
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: of it's so frustrating because you're, like if all these

751
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: players are so, coveted why are we trading? Away so

752
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 3: that's why you can never ask for trade suggestions because

753
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 3: you'll get LIKE i asked for Fake raptors, trades And

754
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 3: John hollander, says ya come to The grizzlies for a protected.

755
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: SECOND i can't trust we're all looking out for our own.

756
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: Interest all, Right let's get to some actual trade. Rumors,

757
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: yeah a few rumors floating around the. Internet first one

758
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: from Heavy. Sports Sean devinie Of Heavy sports used to

759
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: be in The Sporting. News he's with Heavy sports. Now

760
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: this one is a fun. One The pacers have Talked

761
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: Obie toppin trade with The. Knicks pacers And knicks tasks

762
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: talking About Obi. Toppin what do you?

763
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: THINK i like it from The pacers, Side first step back.

764
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: HERE i like the fact that what they've become this

765
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: season is pretty fricking. Cool, here the fact That haliburn

766
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: And matherin have worked. Out they haven't Traded, turner they

767
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: haven't Traded. Healed they're looking to build upon what they,

768
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: have exciting stuff for. THEM i also like it just

769
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: Because toppen would fit in. Seamlessly they Started turner And

770
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,959
Speaker 2: Jalen smith Old Phoenix sun Now pacers Big Jalen smith

771
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: Beside turner for a long, time two seven, footers and

772
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: they're just a little too big and could use some athleticism,

773
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: there they've sort of pivoted and they're starting nemhard now

774
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: along With halliburton And healed and even AARON Nei, Smith

775
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: so they're looking for they need size if they're gonna.

776
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 2: Go they kind of they're too huge With Jalen, smith

777
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: they're a little too small with Aaron Ne. SMITH i

778
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: Think Obi topin would fit in pretty. Well AND i

779
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: think he's shown that he can hit the corner, three

780
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: And Miles sturner has shown he can hit a corner.

781
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: Three and the magician that Is Tyrese haliburton can make things.

782
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: Happen they move the ball so. WELL i think he

783
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: would fit in and we'd see a little bit more

784
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: of a what he can, do BECAUSE i think he

785
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: has been underutilized In New.

786
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: York he's not even twenty five, yet he's due for an.

787
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: Extension topping is coming. Up but, yeah it's like he's

788
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: still sort of unpolished in the sense that you, know

789
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: because of injury at times and minutes that he does

790
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: or does not get from TIBs, there it's tough to figure.

791
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: Out like you see flashes and you get very, excited

792
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: AND i Think knicks fans even do and then he

793
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: can disappear for a while and then he's at the

794
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: end of the. Bench so, Yeah i'm with you on,

795
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: like this feels like Another pacers player that you could

796
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: just sort of get for not a, lot maybe in,

797
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: return and maybe he then can grow with these other young.

798
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: Guys what do you think of? This Pacers Nicks top And, Rumor.

799
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: OH i love the idea Of obie topping With Tyre's.

800
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 3: Halliburton she, like that's an alley oopfest just waiting to.

801
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 3: Happen that would be very. Exciting, YEAH i, MEAN i

802
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 3: think it's, reasonable just because it's pretty obvious That Tom

803
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: thibodeau doesn't Trust Obie toppin. Enough he's played sixty nine

804
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: minutes this season Alongside Julius. Randall randall's playing really, well

805
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: so you're not GONNA i, mean it'd be interesting if

806
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: The knicks decided to trade him, now but it doesn't feel.

807
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 3: Realistic BUT i don't, know there's kind of something. HERE

808
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: i think Like toppin is a guy who The pacers

809
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: could certainly be, targeting because he'd be nice if they

810
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 3: decided to Keep Miles turner. Around you, know the idea

811
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: of top and being a bit more of a role,

812
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: guy Where turner is a floor spacer that works running Alongside,

813
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 3: halliburton And mathern works since he's making so little right

814
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: now on his rookie, contract they could do it for LIKE.

815
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: Tj McConnell and a.

816
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: Pick something along those, lines which McConnell seems like the

817
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 3: kind of player That thibs would like as a third

818
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: point guard or something along those. Lines and when you're

819
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: looking at The pacers back, court they might not need.

820
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: HIM i don't know if that's enough to get back

821
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 3: for a guy who you just took in the top

822
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: ten of the draft a couple of seas.

823
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: Back BUT i can understand why these two teams are

824
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: talking about.

825
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: Topping talking about. Topping people are talking talking about.

826
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: Topping will they be? TRADING i guess we'll see.

827
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: Soon obe is interesting with the next, guys like you,

828
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: said hasn't played a lot With. Randall thibodeau does it

829
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: in just emergency. Situations all, right we need. Buckets let's

830
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: open the floor For Julius randall because he doesn't trust topping, defensively,

831
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: really and there's a reason for. That topping sometimes gets

832
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: lost on that. End would be nice With Miles turner

833
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: who takes care of everything back. There The knicks have

834
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: a guy like That Mitchell. Robinson but, yeah there's there's

835
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 2: potential he could even come off the bench with This pacers.

836
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: Team it's it's a scenario here where the tables have

837
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: turned so freaking much In indiana where it was six weeks.

838
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: AGO i, Guess Miles turner said To Adrian wolden And

839
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: rescue on his, podcast if The lakers want a guy

840
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: who's good at being, big they should think about. Me

841
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: now he's talking about being. Extending so it's wild And

842
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 2: toppin would fit in pretty.

843
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: Well it feels like The knicks could use like most,

844
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: teams like a bigger defensive wing or just a peer

845
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: shooter like a scorer right from a wing. Position so

846
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: you do, WONDER i mean you were bringing it up

847
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: in one of your hypothetical trades trad like how much

848
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: of a legitimate upgrade could The knicks get by putting

849
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: three guys together in like a topin a reddish and

850
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: a quickly like that's not? Bad and then you know

851
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: If fournier has to be included because the contract reason

852
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: and stuff like, that like what could you Upgrade i'll

853
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: throw it like a minor deal at you who says

854
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: no to you? Guys what About toppin' and reddish For?

855
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: Crowder you know this is not gonna move the needle

856
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: all that, much But toppin' And reddish like again like

857
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: sort of flyers to add to the. Suns for, god

858
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't even play for. You But, CROWDER i could

859
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: see just see fitting in a tip, situation and you

860
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: could give them some defensive identity and shooting.

861
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: THERE i think The knicks would try and say just

862
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: one of those, guys BUT i could see both.

863
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: Fits, OKAY i mean topping and quickly also, works but

864
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: that feels like way too. Much, yeah, Crowd that's WHY

865
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: i thought topping and reddish, okay okay.

866
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: Extreme and then this.

867
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: ONE i think is it's probably unlikely BECAUSE i don't

868
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: think The pistons would be unless they're, like, hey we

869
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: think there's something there with, topping topping And fournier to

870
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: make it work contract wise For. Bogdanovic, yeah, yeah, okay

871
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: it's like a. NIX i would think they would do

872
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: that in a, Heartbeat but, again The pistons would have

873
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: to be like there's something there talking top into, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

874
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: yeah BECAUSE i think you're still taking on The fournier

875
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: contract and stuff like. That i'm checking a couple out

876
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: there for, you all. Right next, one another rumor is

877
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: from ESPN's. Timmicman it's actually in the form of a.

878
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: Question Is Christian wood A MAVs cornerstone or is he

879
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: a trade? Candidate and he is now eligible to sign

880
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: a four, year seventy seven million dollar extension what? Is

881
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: but sources TOLD espn told McMahon that The MAVs have

882
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: interest in a two year, extension which would be for

883
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: a maximum of thirty six, Million so they would like

884
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: to instead of doing all four years on an. Extension,

885
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: yeh we'll pay you a whole, bunch but it'd be

886
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: for two, years so we have way more cap space

887
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 1: come like twenty twenty. Five what do you think About

888
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: wood and how he's played so? Far they're winning a

889
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: lot of games when he's starting Alongside. LUCA i haven't

890
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: played the greatest teams in the, world but what do.

891
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 2: You THINK i think they have to sign, him whether

892
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: it's two, years IT'S i think that's. FINE i think

893
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: that's more than the contract he signed with The. Rockets last.

894
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: SEASON i think that was a three for two years.

895
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: Ago that was a three for twenty, seven and SO

896
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: i think he'd be happy with two for thirty. Six

897
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: it's just a scenario there with The. MAVs they gave

898
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: Up Jalen brunson at the beginning of this. Year you

899
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: can't give up more, talent give up more, TALENT i.

900
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: DON'T i don't think they would trade. HIM i think

901
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: Keeping wood around With, luca they've shown enough that they're

902
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: they're good. Enough obviously they're defensively as some, problems but

903
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: he's been happy coming off the bench as well in two.

904
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: Seasons you keep it, tight you don't extend him for too,

905
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: long and keep him.

906
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: Motivated you always Want Christian wood in a contract. Here,

907
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: yeah that's the.

908
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: Best.

909
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah what do you think here for mcmahon'ster.

910
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 3: Part, YEAH i think cornerstone is a little bit of an,

911
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: overreach But i'm with you that they can't let him

912
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 3: walk for.

913
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: Nothing and he's been pretty, solid even.

914
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 3: DEFENSIVELY i think Since Maxi kleeba went, down since they

915
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: said we got to Start Christian, wood he's our best

916
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: big man out. There he's been given an effort on

917
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 3: defense a little bit, MORE i, think AND i don't

918
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: think it's a coincidence that as soon as they Started

919
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 3: Christian wood and have all the space out, There luca

920
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 3: goes on an insane run of score and putting up,

921
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 3: sixty putting up.

922
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: Fifty there's so much space out.

923
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 3: There wood is a really great offensive, player even if

924
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: he can get a little shot happy at.

925
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: Times but after the way they Lost, brunson.

926
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 3: They cannot lose their second leading scorer once again a

927
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: few months, later especially when you've Got luca playing at

928
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: AN mvp level like right. Now The MAVs aren't really

929
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 3: a championship, CONTENDER i don't, think but they could get

930
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 3: hot enough in the playoffs With luca and Even Christian

931
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: wood Spencer, dinwidie if he has a hot streak at

932
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: the right, time they could make a run at.

933
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: It but that ain't happen if if it's Just luca

934
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: And dinwitty fair. Enough final one here from ESPN's Professor Zach.

935
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: Lowe cavaliers reportedly in the market for wing help now.

936
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: AGAIN i feel like you could say this About, hey,

937
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: yeah like twenty teams in the, league like everybody always

938
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: wants some wing help because you want a guy that

939
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: can play a little defense on the, wing or you,

940
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: know preferably both can hit a three and shoot a little.

941
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: Bit but The cavs specifically tasks maybe looking for, that you,

942
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: know that that fifth potentially youngish player to go with

943
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: all of their star talent there in their other. Positions

944
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: the other four, positions they're.

945
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: Stacked they've obviously integrated a superstar In Donovan mitchell really,

946
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: well so they got no fear in integrating another. WING

947
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: i wonder what this means For Karros lavert in the.

948
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: FUTURE i feel like he could be the one that

949
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: would be moved in a potential upgrade or help on the.

950
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: WING i think he could be, had you.

951
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: COULD i do think that. Too they've got another solid

952
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: wing In Jettie, osman but he's perfect off the, bench

953
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: and And i'm still An Isaaca korro believer to some

954
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: degree coming through in that three. SPOT i think they

955
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: still have enough with him And Lamar, stevens but an

956
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: upgrade could be. HAD i think this totally makes. SENSE

957
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: i think they would definitely be. Buyers they're buyers, Now

958
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,959
Speaker 2: they're going for, IT i do, think and as small

959
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: forward as the spot that they needed any.

960
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 3: Thoughts it's going to be interesting to see what they, do,

961
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: because like you guys are, Saying Karris lavert is kind

962
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: of the player who would likely be. Moved With Donovan

963
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: mitchell And Darius, garland you've got your two guys who

964
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: are going to be handling the ball most of the. Time,

965
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 3: Now garlands missed a ton of time this, season And

966
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: lavert has been able to step in and be the

967
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: secondary creator when. Necessary but long, term playoffs, term you

968
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: need to have somebody who can guard the bigger wings out.

969
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: THERE i don't think they're gonna be able to get

970
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 3: away with A coro And stevens as the. Wing but

971
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: it's also gonna be really tough for The calves to

972
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 3: find somebody at this trade deadline. Season As Jake fisher

973
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: At yahoo explained, today they've traded away so many picks

974
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 3: that basically The jazz have access to their first round

975
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 3: picks for the next five drafts with you, know pick

976
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: trades and pick, swaps so they can't really trade any.

977
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 3: Pick they're gonna have to Trade Kris, lavert which then

978
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: makes it a team really has to Want Kris livert

979
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: or think they can then flip him for something. Else

980
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 3: so you're looking at A Josh, Richardson Gary, Harris Terrence,

981
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: ross guys who have been gettable quite often in the,

982
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 3: past which may be help a little. Bit but it

983
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: seems more likely that The calves are gonna find their

984
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 3: real fifth, part their real wing in the off. Season

985
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: this is still year one for this teason in The,

986
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: calves so they don't need to do anything to jeopardize

987
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: what they got going.

988
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: On, yeah, well let's see them get into the playoffs

989
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: and whoever they match up with in a potential Playoffs,

990
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: like it's not like a given that The calves win

991
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: a first round playoff. SERIES i, MEAN i, know the

992
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: way they played this, season you would think that's an automatic,

993
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: thing BUT i don't think. So, again depending on who

994
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: they see there where it, is is it a four

995
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: or five something like. That he's not gonna get you a.

996
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: Gimme you mean it's guaranteed they win two. Playoffs, no it's.

997
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: Not because they could play The sixers in a first round.

998
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: Matchup they, could you, know play a heat team that

999
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: could give them trouble in a first. ROUND i, MEAN

1000
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: i just.

1001
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: Don't think that's a. Lot we.

1002
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: Got ourselves a.

1003
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 3: Tree unbelievable stream team coming through alerting us to the.

1004
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: News i'm seeing us tweet here from Sham. Stana The

1005
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: Boston celtics are trading center Forward Noah vonley and cash

1006
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 3: consideration to The San Antorni Tonio. Spurs The spurs will

1007
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: wave gorgey jang to create roster.

1008
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: Space, okay you've got me.

1009
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: Trade thank, GOD i don't have to redo the thumbnail

1010
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: for this.

1011
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: Show you got, me you got me going? Trade this

1012
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: is this is a real.

1013
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: Trade is a real trade that has. Happened Noah bonley

1014
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: to The spurs along with cash considerations and what was going?

1015
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: Back anything? Yet okay is finding his way To San.

1016
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: Antonio spurs are getting. Paid that's what they're getting, PAID i.

1017
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 2: Know but they're getting paid to take no contract, Alright.

1018
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: So opening a roster, SPOT i guess The celtics. Are that's.

1019
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: It, yeah, yeah maybe maybe they need to get below

1020
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: a tax apron or something going on. There it's because

1021
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: it sounds it sounds like you give the, contract which

1022
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: you know takes money off your, books but you pay,

1023
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: people uh to do.

1024
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: That, okay already, done way too many. Minutes had we

1025
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: got to close down the. Stream start another? One, yeah,

1026
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: YEAH i mean this.

1027
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: Show, yeah, no we gotta do emergency.

1028
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: Podcast oh another?

1029
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: One? Yeah all, Right oh you have? YOU i saw

1030
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: a trey. FERVENTLY i couldn't believe. It you, start he started.

1031
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 2: SEARCHING i was looking over his. SHOULDER i didn't care

1032
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: what was what you were. SAYING i was just.

1033
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: Looking over you're looking at his passa excited.

1034
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: Baby, wow he had a good game On NATIONAL. Tv

1035
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 2: trade for?

1036
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: Him Wasn't Noah vonley like drafted like eighth or? Something?

1037
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah is that? What who was drafted By Noah? Vonley?

1038
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: Wow did you Start opening? Night he might have?

1039
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: Started that Was Opening night THAT i was thinking. Of

1040
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 2: they had a Big NATIONAL tv.

1041
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: Game oh, no he was drafted by The. Hornets Jeezs

1042
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: oh my. God i've played for a lot of teams.

1043
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: Already he's twenty. Seven, wow gotta take a flyer. On

1044
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: it's the same age as.

1045
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 2: Is this the emergency? PODCAST i don't? Know all, right twenty? Seven,

1046
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: wow there you.

1047
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: Go let's call it. There perfect time to uh shut

1048
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: down this podcast and start another, one to do an emergency.

1049
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: Voute noahvonley going to the. Spurs uh, no we'll be

1050
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: back tomorrow drop. Podcasts oh, yeah Ten Am Eastern live

1051
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: in The Classic. Factory we did get a couple hours

1052
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: ago the first returns for The All Star game. Voting

1053
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: so we know who the leaders are in each of the,

1054
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: conferences and you, know you get a lot of. Names,

1055
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: ACTUALLY i think they give us like ten spots for

1056
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: the forwards and guards in each. Conference Jalen brunson nowhere

1057
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: to be. Seen what's going? On knicks, fans they didn't

1058
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: have a chance to watch. It this morning's Pot, okay

1059
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: so you think the second.

1060
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,959
Speaker 3: Returns they're gonna, See they're gonna see the, returns listen

1061
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 3: to the, podcast realize the mistake and then GETS i.

1062
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: Would imagine like a triple day is coming up. Soon

1063
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: oh they we just we've had triple days lesson and

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Speaker 1: right every. Day yeah, yeah, Yeah I'm i'm convinced they

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Speaker 1: do it now to make it look like they have

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Speaker 1: way more, votes like the, players Like lebron's like three

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Speaker 1: million votes, already but it's goosed because of the THREE x.

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Speaker 1: Days they're goosen the. Numbers more news, here more.

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Speaker 3: News what do you got wo just reporting that The

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Speaker 3: spurs are also Waving Noah von so straight cash straight.

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Speaker 1: Up The spurs are getting paid to do paperwork or

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Speaker 1: what are they doing? Here maybe The spurs are trading yaka.

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Speaker 1: PURDLE i don't. Know opening up some spots here on

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Speaker 1: the Ross turtle on the move straight waving, Guys. Tassie

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Speaker 1: they a bunch of guys coming.

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Speaker 2: Back they didn't open them. Spots AND i got a

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Speaker 2: guy and they's.

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Speaker 1: Waving well they Wave Gorgy. Jay so that's that's a good.

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Speaker 2: Point all, right good.

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Speaker 1: Job we'll see you guys. Tomorrow drop Podcast. Teddy I'm

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Speaker 1: eastern until they have clipper. Brow you heard it here,

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Speaker 1: first have a great, time turn. Up love you, guys, Awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining. Us and Remember Noah vonle was a

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Speaker 2: guest on the. Starters remember, That, YEAH i guess. Not

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Speaker 2: guess you. Don't it was not that.

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Speaker 1: Memorable it was The Summer.

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Speaker 2: LEAGUE i wasn't gonna, say go watch, that but. Don't

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Speaker 2: wasn't that.

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Speaker 1: GOOD i would HAVE i would have rather been sitting

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Speaker 1: beside a isle of. Cash Consider sorry that sounds. Harsh

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Speaker 1: it was, Great, brason it was really.

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Speaker 3: Good h