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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Monday, November twenty fourth. Happy Monday, everybody,

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Speaker 2: and we have a stacked night of headlines, breaking news

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Speaker 2: as we come on the air fresh from the lapd celestreves.

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Speaker 3: Hernandez's case has.

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Speaker 2: Now had a new twist put on it because it's

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Speaker 2: being said that she was not decapitated and she was

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Speaker 2: not frozen.

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Speaker 3: So much to unpack there.

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Speaker 2: Also the slender Man teen who was found at a

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Speaker 2: truck stop after cutting off her ankle monitor and fleeing

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Speaker 2: her home, has a few things to say, So we're

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Speaker 2: going to unpack that case. In so much more so,

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Speaker 2: the Idaho student victims family of Kayleie Gonzalvez is basically

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Speaker 2: suing the Washington State University where Brian Cooberger, the convicted killer,

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Speaker 2: resides now behind bars. They're basically saying the school ignored

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Speaker 2: a lot of red flags and frankly, they need some

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Speaker 2: answers there's also more an eighteen year old Anna Kepner's case.

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Speaker 2: Her grandparents are breaking their silence and what they have

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Speaker 2: to say about the final moments are pretty harrowing. They

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Speaker 2: too were on the cruise with her. And also we've

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Speaker 2: been covering this on our in Cells podcast and talked

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Speaker 2: about it here several times. Federal agents declare the seven six'

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Speaker 2: four network a violent child targeting extremist, group which is pretty.

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Speaker 3: Major it's been put into a whole new.

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Speaker 2: Category so it's really great that we're talking about it

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Speaker 2: and have been talking about it BECAUSE i do think

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Speaker 2: that's bringing a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Awareness so we have so much to get you to.

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Speaker 2: Night I'm Stephanie leidecker, here of, course with my two favorite. Ladies,

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Speaker 2: Ladies Happy. Monday you made it. THROUGH i hope you

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Speaker 2: guys are. Good Courtney, armstrong body move. In we Have

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Speaker 2: taha And adam with us as. Well, ladies are you

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Speaker 2: good before we jump into such heavy?

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Speaker 3: Things you want a? Report, okay let's.

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Speaker 2: Go we got a big night. Tonight freddy talks Slender. Man,

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Speaker 2: courtney do you want to give us a? Synopsis absolutely.

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Speaker 4: So Morgan, Geyser she's twenty three years, old and she

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Speaker 4: was one of the killers involved in the twenty fourteen

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Speaker 4: case the Slender man, stabbing which people might. Remember so

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Speaker 4: ten years, ago she and another they were twelve years

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Speaker 4: old at the. Time she another twelve year old stabbed

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Speaker 4: a third friend nineteen times and was. Convicted So Morgan.

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Speaker 4: Geyser she was found sleeping outside by An illinois truck

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Speaker 4: fleed the group home that she was in and was

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Speaker 4: forced to be in In. Wisconsin so, Again Morgan, geyser

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Speaker 4: twelve years old at the, Time her and a girl

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Speaker 4: named Anisso weir lured their Classmate, peyton who was the,

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Speaker 4: victim into the, woods stabbed her nineteen, times and this

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Speaker 4: was all in an attempt to appease the fictional internet

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Speaker 4: character Slender. Man, Amazingly Peyton lautner survived and the other

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Speaker 4: two twelve year olds who stabbed her were committed to

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Speaker 5: Verdicts not only Did peyton, survive she like crawled out

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Speaker 5: of the. Woods, yes satdy nineteen. Times and this little

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Speaker 3: It is so, true that's. Right and by the, way

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Speaker 3: talk about like you have twelve year old.

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Speaker 2: Girls you, know it's been said that the two perpetrator

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Speaker 2: friends that it was almost like the perfect, storm you know,

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Speaker 2: were both a little, lonesome both a little, friendless you,

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Speaker 2: know both watching all this Slender man. Stuff if you

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Speaker 2: image is really. Horrifying it's always kind of in black and,

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Speaker 2: this Slender man was kind of haunting, them or at

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Speaker 2: least urging them to commit this. Crime and that in

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Speaker 5: Right it comes from the old like copy pasta pasted,

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Speaker 5: days and like people just submit kind of like spooky

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Speaker 3: Crazy and this was like a birthday.

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Speaker 2: Party so the girl that we're talking about who escaped

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Speaker 2: geyser she somehow got one hundred miles. Away she, escapes

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Speaker 3: Today scary.

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Speaker 2: Stuff and by the, way it was her birthday party

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Speaker 2: Yeah like it was supposed to be a birthday party

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Speaker 4: has you, know recently. Escaped she was celebrating her twelfth

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Speaker 4: birthday and, her the, victim and the other assailant went

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Speaker 4: skating at a local roller. Rank they have frozen, yogurt

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Speaker 4: then the slumber Party it ended with the slumber party that,

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Speaker 4: Downstairs they were playing on a, computer and the two assailants, say,

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Speaker 3: Bicyclist that's, like.

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Speaker 5: The one THING i remember about this when it, happened

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Speaker 4: Difficult they were everyone who was twelve years old exactly talking.

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Speaker 5: About and they were like literally talking to Slender man

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Speaker 4: Problems, yes, absolutely Particularly Morgan, geyser who ultimately just. Escaped

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Speaker 4: So Morgan, geyser she pled guilty to attempted first degree

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Speaker 4: after the trauma she. Sustained as of twenty, nineteen she

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Speaker 4: was still sleeping with a pair of broken scissors under.

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Speaker 3: Her, pillow just in. Case so that's the level of.

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Speaker 2: Can remember back in those, days you, know have you

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Speaker 2: ever gone to a, sleepover or just were homesick and

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Speaker 2: Scary and it's hard as a parent to qualify what's just?

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Speaker 2: NORMAL i want to be? Home what's just? Normal are these?

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Speaker 2: know they're twelve years.

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Speaker 3: Old it's three of. Them how bad could this get?

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Speaker 2: You never in a million years would imagine that two

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Speaker 3: Her, Right this is true.

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Speaker 5: Crime tonight On, iHeartRadio I'm Body moving here With Stephanie Ann.

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Speaker 5: Courtney we're talking about this Slender man. Escape what do

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Speaker 5: you guys? Think do you think that she should have

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Speaker 5: that by the, way didn't notify anybody she was missing

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Speaker 2: Hours and what about everybody else in the group home with? More,

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Speaker 2: Yeah So Morgan geyser, was you, know allegedly the kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah and maybe had she not met Again i'm paraphrasing

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Speaker 2: because that also put everybody else that's working in that group,

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Speaker 4: Year Morgan, geyser she had petitioned multiple times for a conditional.

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Speaker 2: Then And payne's family also did not want that release to.

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Speaker 2: it seems like twelve years old frontal lobes are not.

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Speaker 2: Developed is it too much to throw away the? Key

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Speaker 2: this is a, terrible a terrible crisis that was frankly, avoided, thankfully.

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Speaker 2: Right so her.

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Speaker 4: Escape so just On saturday the twenty, second just a

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Speaker 4: couple of days, Ago morgan removed her electronic monitoring.

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Speaker 3: Bracelet she left her group.

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Speaker 4: Right The madison police were, Notified and the only reason

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Speaker 2: Like, hey heads, up somebody's on the. Loose and she

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Speaker 5: Her this is just like failure from its eighty more

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Speaker 4: Yeah and then the night of the twenty, Third morgan

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Speaker 4: but officers did find bus tickets From madison To chicago

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Speaker 2: Together, yeah there's a guy involved in this for. Sure

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Speaker 3: Forty two year Old, okay, no we're going to find

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Speaker 4: And, morgan she initially gave a false name and told

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Speaker 4: Now waiting extradition To Cook. County this forty two year

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Speaker 5: Imagine so it sounds like this group home is not

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Speaker 3: Mentally she was just she was pleased in the wrong.

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Speaker 2: Been, institutionalized and it does speak to a larger conversation

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Speaker 2: about what you do in those. Situations how do you

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Speaker 2: know this is not a great finding an example of.

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Speaker 3: That, no not at. All, wow who's the guy's? Care

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Speaker 3: who is this guy who's like letting her break?

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Speaker 6: Three, yeah they've been, communicating SO i guess they have

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Speaker 5: Me i've done bad. Things like somebody who's been you,

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Speaker 5: to say something like. That in my, opinion you, know

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Speaker 1: Know this is.

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Speaker 2: Weird and For peyton's family for their statement even last,

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Speaker 3: Much it's right there still and very. Scared, yeah it's right.

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Speaker 5: Right, well when we come back the new lawsuit that

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Speaker 5: Says Washington State university ignored red flags About Brian, coberger

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Speaker 2: Ship welcome back To True crime tonight On. iHeartRadio we're

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Speaker 2: talking true crime all the. Time I'm stephanieleidecker here With

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Speaker 2: Courtney armstrong And baddie move in and we're talking all

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Speaker 2: now about the man who maybe aided in her, escape and,

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Speaker 2: again he is not helping her story at, All, courtney

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Speaker 4: Know, yeah this man is not helping the cause. Whatsoever

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Speaker 4: so originally he was widely reported as forty two years.

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Speaker 3: Old he's forty three years.

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Speaker 4: Old he's From, wisconsin and his name Is Chad, mecca

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Speaker 4: and he's the man who was found sleeping next To.

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Speaker 4: Morgan so they had, met according To, mecca several months

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Speaker 4: ago through The Good Shepherd, church became friendly that. Way

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Speaker 4: apparently he was upset with how she was treated at

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Speaker 4: him visitation rights With, geyser which seems like the right

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Speaker 4: because of, that and that allegedly he had or what

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Speaker 4: he told, officers that he had previously visited her by

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Speaker 3: Escape oh my, god, wow, wow talk about a red.

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Speaker 2: Flag holy.

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Speaker 4: Moly absolutely so that is the information we have at this.

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Speaker 3: Moment and then they took the. Bus holy, Moly, wow

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Speaker 4: Unfolds of, course we'll keep you. Updated and now why

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Speaker 7: Back good after Youon curious that has been.

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Speaker 8: HERE i heard that one of the, victims families of

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Speaker 8: The Brian coburger, crise is going to be seeing the

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Speaker 7: Worked my question to you is is that?

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Speaker 9: True kenneed it?

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Speaker 8: Is do they even have a?

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Speaker 7: Case is it possible for an employer to be food

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Speaker 8: Thank you so.

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Speaker 2: Much, heck, yeah in this case you.

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Speaker 3: Can see anybody for.

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Speaker 2: Anything, yeah but in this case he was working and

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Speaker 2: SAFETY i would assume we'll have to ask Jar. Farantino On,

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Speaker 2: yeah if there's a lot of red flags against someone

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Speaker 2: were overlooked and there were other young people in their

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Speaker 5: Problem, yeah especially if those one of those red flags

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Speaker 3: Hands exactly very.

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Speaker 5: Well documented complaints About Brian koberger's behavior AT.

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Speaker 2: Wsu that's exactly.

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Speaker 4: Right, yeah and with all these, complaints it's it really

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Speaker 4: yeah if you're a, student, fine but it's a totally

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Speaker 4: don't know how they could have let all of this,

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Speaker 3: Truth, WELL i mean it might be their policy like

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Speaker 5: Happen then we escalated to, This then this, happens and

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Speaker 5: we escalated to that there many.

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Speaker 3: Times, NO i, KNOW i, Understand i'm.

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Speaker 5: Scene it is to, me that's the, cause, Right, like

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Speaker 5: that's what the have to.

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Speaker 3: Do, YEAH i don't. KNOW i did.

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Speaker 2: Too by the, way even For Brian coberger's best, care you,

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Speaker 2: know had he been flagged, prior perhaps this wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: avoided as. Well but you, know let's remember we also

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Speaker 2: we've interviewed the police chief that was the former chief you,

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Speaker 2: had real red flags that they said were noticeable and.

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Speaker 2: Real and imagine sending your child someplace and you, know

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Speaker 2: one they're underage in that, regard and you assume that

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Speaker 3: Right just to reiterate What stephanie just.

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Speaker 5: Said in one of the complaints Against Brian, coberger some

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Speaker 5: they requested security to start escorting.

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Speaker 3: THEM i, mean that is that's a big.

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Speaker 5: Deal and one professor even commented and, said we're going

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Speaker 5: to have a PhD predator on our. Hands so they

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Speaker 5: were recognizing, that you, Know Brian cober was showing symptoms

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Speaker 5: go through their steps to write them, up and you,

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Speaker 5: know write them up three. Times then he gets counseling

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Speaker 5: and then, YadA, YadA, YadA and then he gets this

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Speaker 5: termination or this letter On october, Second i'm Sorry november,

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Speaker 5: sorry ten eleven days before the. Murders AND i think

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Speaker 3: More.

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Speaker 5: SO i don't know if they would have terminated him,

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Speaker 5: sooner would he have, acted you, know differently From.

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Speaker 2: We'll never, know but maybe he would have gotten some

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Speaker 2: help maybe he would have gotten some. Care you, know

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Speaker 2: we we can never go back in, time but, yes

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Speaker 2: in case you don't know this, case also The idaho

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Speaker 2: student Murders Ethan Shapin's Aner, Kernodle Kaylee, gonzalvez And Madison

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Speaker 3: School they were murdered the same.

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Speaker 2: Night and, Yeah Kaylee gonzalvez's family is issuing the.

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Speaker 3: School that feels like they dropped the ball a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit and even for The coburger, family you, Know Brian,

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Speaker 2: coburger maybe he, was you, know displaying some signs that needed,

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Speaker 2: BUT i don't. Know it's a tough. One you're dealing with.

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Speaker 2: of your staff members is given someone the, creeps that's a.

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Speaker 3: Problem or the.

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Speaker 6: Fact that like there were so many like If i'm not, mistaken,

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Speaker 6: complaints which, well.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't the various, complaints it was how many Times

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Speaker 5: Brian coberger was late to, class if it was a

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Speaker 5: Lines but, Yeah so The gonsalest family they've initiated legal

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Speaker 5: seeking accountability for how misconduct reports Involving coburger were. Handled

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00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 5: the public records that we've received thus far show thirteen

438
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 5: formal complaints were filed by students and faculty AT wsu

439
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 5: Between august And.

440
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 3: NOVEMBER i, mean that's a lot in a really short

441
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: amount of.

442
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 5: Time, august you, Know, September, october in four, months thirteen.

443
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 2: Complaints that's like we're talking, weekly and you're absolutely, right,

444
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: great we're at a crazy.

445
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 3: ACCOUNT i, thought just, like, oh he's got Bo they were.

446
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 5: Formal they were stalking style, actions repeated, staring blocking, exits

447
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 5: like he was blocking people into corners and not letting

448
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 5: them leave his, physical you know area.

449
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 3: He was he was hulking over.

450
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: People and just to add to, that we had interviewed

451
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: a former student that was again a student in the

452
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: class At Brian, coburger the now convicted killer in his

453
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: class that he was the teacher's assistant in and she

454
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: had said that the university at the. Time, so remember

455
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: the murders happened At Idaho, university and he was a

456
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: teacher's assistant at a neighboring, University Washington State. University they

457
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: were very close, together So Washington State university has its

458
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: own set of, circumstances, police all the. Things so this

459
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 2: former classmate of that was in his class specifically said

460
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: that when the murders, happened there was no big. Alarm in,

461
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: fact the feeling, was don't you guys. Worry everything's safe

462
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 2: here At Washington State. University even though the trouble happened,

463
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: There we're all. Good so there was this like relaxed

464
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: sense of, everything and they were treating it very. Relaxed

465
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: now again allegedly allegedly, allegedly because this is how it's

466
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: been reported to. Us that's a problem when the person

467
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: who's the killer is actually on your, staff, right it's

468
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: actually a like interacting with other young people that are.

469
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: Vulnerable and by the, way it's hard to speak out

470
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: against your teacher because you don't want to get a bad. Grade, Right,

471
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: yeah that's also a.

472
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 3: Problem, yeah. Complicated, well this is true crimetonight On iHeart.

473
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 3: Radio I'm.

474
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 4: Courtney i'm here With Body movin And Stephanie, leidecker and

475
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 4: we've been talking about a new lawsuit involving The Brian colberger.

476
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 4: Case The gonsolves family is suing The university of The

477
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 4: Washington State, university Where Brian coburger was a teaching. Assistant

478
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 4: we'd love to hear your thoughts eighty eight three one

479
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 4: crime or hit us up in the talk. Backs so

480
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: do we know how this is progressing the lawsuit or

481
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 4: has it just been?

482
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 3: Filed IT'S i, mean it's just been filed this.

483
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 5: Week but the lawsuit is claiming THAT wsu had a

484
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 5: duty to respond to those reports and Supervise Brian coberger's

485
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 5: conduct and intervened before The november twenty, two twenty twenty two.

486
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 5: Killings it's again been filed by The consolvest. Family they're

487
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 5: going to use the discovery process to seek Internal Washington

488
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 5: State university records because all we have right now are

489
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 5: the public, records, right we don't have those internal, reports,

490
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 5: Right so that's going to be very.

491
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 3: Interesting so it's going.

492
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 5: To i'm at some point it's going to become public

493
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 5: knowledge what these internal reports.

494
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: Said it's hard because of this, lawsuit what our.

495
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: Heartbreak they deserve, it and my heart goes out to

496
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: them and all of the family members and even to

497
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: The coburger. Family it's like there's no winners in. This you,

498
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: know it is such a bad thing that happened that

499
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 2: it'll take lifetimes to recover from. This BUT i do

500
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 2: THINK i think there's an awareness now THAT i think

501
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: parents of any student and any university have to be aware. Of,

502
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: Right so in a body.

503
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 4: In addition to the complaints that you had said about

504
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 4: him sort of hulking over, People, YEAH i, know there

505
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 4: was one allegations of being discriminating against, people misogynistic and ablest.

506
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 5: Remarks, yeah because he was talking about there was a

507
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 5: quickt ME i find more On. Courtney there was a,

508
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 5: woman disabled woman that he, said are you sure you

509
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 5: want to?

510
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: Procreator something like? That, yeah that's.

511
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 4: Right so one of the complaints was from a deaf,

512
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 4: classmate And coburger asked her if she would be comfortable

513
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 4: pro creating giving the fact that she had a.

514
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: Disability, Right, SO i, mean listen with this.

515
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 5: Lawsuit there's going to be these internal w, s your

516
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 5: you reports that are going to be you, know offered in,

517
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 5: discovery but we, might as the, public might not get

518
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 5: access to.

519
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 3: Them i'm hoping we, do but we might not.

520
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 5: Because OF, furpa AND furpa is The Family Educational rights

521
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 5: And Privacy act and it's a federal law that protects

522
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 5: the privacy privacy of student education. Records So i'm hoping that.

523
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 5: DOESN'T i hope it BECAUSE i want to SEE i

524
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 5: want to see what they were saying. Internally, well it's tough.

525
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: Call it's. Criminology this was this guy was getting a

526
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: PhD in, criminology, Right so it's very difficult to get

527
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: a PhD number. One it's also really difficult difficult to

528
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: become a teacher's assistant in This at this, level you're.

529
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: Handpicked so, this you, know is a real hard. Thing

530
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: and you, know we know he had was just you,

531
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: know had some social anxieties and was suffering with some

532
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: some level of. Autism so maybe his social cues were

533
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: appearing a little bit. Off but security has to get

534
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: involved to follow people to a. Car those are all

535
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: some big ticket items that seem to get a little

536
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: bit lost in the, SAUCE i, suppose AND i think

537
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: everybody could have done better a little. Bit, again hindsight's so, easy,

538
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: Right SO i hesitate to say that because that doesn't,

539
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: Help SO i almost take a. BACK i know everybody

540
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: tries their, best but, Yeah i'll be.

541
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 4: Curious i'd love to if we don't find out before

542
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: then to speak With Jarrett farantino about if the furba

543
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 4: as you, said, body IF i would love records Because

544
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 4: i'm sure there is likely a legal standard once it

545
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 4: reaches criminality is an exception made to, something.

546
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 5: RIGHT i, MEAN i can understand if the report is

547
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 5: About Jane doe, making you, know a complaint That Brian

548
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 5: coberger cornered her in a. Classroom OBVIOUSLY i don't want

549
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 5: to know Who Jane doe, is you, know DON'T i

550
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 5: don't think the public needs to know.

551
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: That of course is specific.

552
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 5: Person BUT i can't see the harm in releasing that

553
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 5: kind of. Information but you, KNOW i don't know what That's.

554
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: Even in our documentary and even in the, podcast we

555
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: had to keep those.

556
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 5: IDENTITIES i remember she was in the, library, right and

557
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 5: you guys didn't show her.

558
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: FACE yea beautiful library with all the books and. Whatnot,

559
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: yes why.

560
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: Bring more fear and pr right and again people are

561
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: afraid to speak, out by the, way.

562
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 5: Tough if you aren't familiar with this, case please check

563
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 5: out The idaho student murders On peacock's definitely won't touot

564
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 5: her own, horn BUT i. Will it's such a good

565
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 5: documentary if you if you know nothing about this, case

566
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 5: this is the DOCUMENTARY i recommend to people to watch

567
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 5: to get up to speed on it because it's so well.

568
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 5: Done it's not very. Long there's family in, it there's

569
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 5: friends of the, victims there's you, know people that went

570
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 5: to school With brian in. It it's very well.

571
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 2: Done we were trying to prove him, INNOCENT i, know

572
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: AND i was, like, no there is so much going

573
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: on tonight in the, headline so, LISTEN i feel a little.

574
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: Discombobulated it's like we have to just keep jamming through

575
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: because there's so much to still set.

576
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 3: Through So david The Pop star complicated.

577
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: One by the. Way also later in the, show we're

578
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: going to be talking about this tragedy on the cruise

579
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: ship With Anna. Kepner but back To david The Pop.

580
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: Star this new information FROM lapd is pretty stunning that

581
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: what was previously reported that she had been frozen and

582
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: decapitated is not.

583
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: True and there's more on that to.

584
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: Come that's totally in line with what you were saying last,

585
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: Night body that it would not be in alignment with

586
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: the forensics if somebody was frozen and. Decapitated these are

587
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: all things that can't be unseen by. Forensics so now

588
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: that there are these new, developments it does appear very

589
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: clear that this is a murder investigation and that pop

590
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: Star david is a real. Suspect AND i had pretty

591
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: that he would have been arrested by the. Weekend clearly

592
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: that was. Inaccurate so what do we think when is

593
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: this going to?

594
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 5: Happen, WELL i, mean they have to build their, case

595
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 5: right AND i think it's building to that AND i

596
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 5: can kind of explain WHY.

597
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: I think that if you guys just do.

598
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: It, yeah of.

599
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 5: Course all, Right so THE lapd has placed a security,

600
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 5: hold all right on the death investigation of fourteen year

601
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 5: Old celesti Of.

602
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: Hernandez it just this is, breaking like right.

603
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 5: NOW lapd now says that she's been dead For she

604
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 5: was probably dead for weeks before being found in the

605
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 5: trunk Of david's, tesla and they confirmed that her. Body

606
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 5: she was not, decapitated nor was she, frozen despite earlier.

607
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 5: Reports police are treating it as a, homicide And david

608
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 5: is considered a. Suspect, Right those are kind of the

609
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 5: things that we. Know And courtney AND i were talking

610
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 5: about this last, night and we had we had kind

611
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 5: of mentioned that none of this made, sense, right and

612
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 5: that we thought POSSIBLY i had said, that you, KNOW

613
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 5: i think maybe TMC's getting trolled over, this, yep because

614
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 5: it just didn't make, Sense like you can't be badly

615
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 5: decomposed and frozen at the.

616
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 4: Same, frozen, Right, yeah it just didn't line, up which

617
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 4: is just didn't line.

618
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 5: Up so, Yeah, well the REASON i think that it's

619
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 5: kind of heating up is back In, september apparently the

620
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 5: laped went to court and they asked for the security

621
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 5: hold on the medical, release and the judge denied, it

622
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 5: saying that they needed more.

623
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: Evidence and what is it a security hold?

624
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 5: Exactly don't you can't talk about her manner of, death

625
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 5: her cause of, death, Anything you can't release any of that, information.

626
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: Which we have suspected because it does seem as though

627
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: there's been such little information that chances are they were

628
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: trying to gather a, case which if it were just one,

629
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: person it feels like that person would likely have been

630
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 2: identified by now Obviously david being at the forefront of,

631
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: that BUT i have to assume there's just more players. Involved.

632
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 5: WELL lapd definitely thinks he have, help right they THINK

633
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 5: i THINK i know who it. Is i'm not going to,

634
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 5: say but you, know they are implying that they Believe

635
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 5: david is a suspect and that he did not do this,

636
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 5: alone that you, know he possibly had help or you,

637
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 5: know they're kind of alluding to. That and this is

638
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 5: coming directly from the you, know THE tmc report that

639
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 5: we were talking, about just s AT lapd, sources, right

640
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 5: this guy is name this is like a named. Person you.

641
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 5: Know The La times did a great. ARTICLE i really

642
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 5: recommend everybody read it talking about, this and it just

643
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 5: released today like, tonight.

644
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 4: Yep and having the coroner's, office The County Medical examiner's

645
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 4: office is pushing back against this.

646
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 3: Hold they criticized.

647
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 4: It, yeah they said that it's virtually unheard of in other.

648
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 4: Counties they don't they, said it's not proven to improve

649
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: the outcome of. Investigations WHICH i want to.

650
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: Do we want to talk about, why, yes. Desperately, Okay so,

651
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: no it's very. Uncommon, oh, okay it's very. UNCOMMON i

652
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: can't count.

653
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 5: On there's something if there's something about her death that

654
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 5: only the killers or person that did this to her would, know.

655
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: Like something.

656
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 5: Unique there's got to be something unique that only they would, know, Right.

657
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 3: Okay and because there's two they think.

658
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 5: That there's more than one person, Involved they're going to

659
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 5: try to get the information out of the other person

660
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 5: and if it, Matches.

661
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: I'm hundred.

662
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: Percent and by the, way if that information is out

663
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: to the, public then whoever was involved knows how to

664
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: cover and any that is.

665
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: Strategy so, exactly it's.

666
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: An important, STRATEGY i might, Add i'm surprised we haven't

667
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: heard more about The Charlie kirk investigation as. Well it

668
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: seems like the details of THAT i feel like are

669
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: also kind of that comes from missing in the. Press

670
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: i'm trying to think in one, Hand i'm trying to

671
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: think on one, hand where that.

672
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: Information is not pretty readily available to the.

673
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: Press you, know typically there's something of shocking manner or

674
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: murder that is you, know, harrowing basically like we're seeing

675
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: In Anna keepner's, case which we'll get you. Later you,

676
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: know the details come out pretty quickly about cause of, death,

677
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: aphixiation you, know stab, wounds you, know, gunshot and then

678
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: there's typically more toxicology always takes a bit. Longer so

679
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: we've always been kind of assuming that's the that's the,

680
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: ticket but it's not.

681
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 5: Problem let me ask you a question, like just let's,

682
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 5: go let's just follow this. Trail what is With Charlie kirk's.

683
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 5: Assassination let's you, know what's what's not?

684
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 2: Known, well where is like the roommate Of Ty robinson and,

685
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: yeah or there's been so much specula and chatter, online you,

686
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 2: Know Joseph Scott, morgan we've talked about this so much

687
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: with and he's you, know very clear what the autopsy will.

688
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 2: Say why isn't it released or shouldn't it be released?

689
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 2: Soon you, know obviously that's a very, significant major. Case

690
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 2: SO i, know with the sensitivity beyond, measure everything has

691
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 2: to be buttoned up. Perfectly, david the pop start let's

692
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: fall under the same, category, right very significant, case high

693
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: profile person happening In Los. Angeles they don't want it

694
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: to fall through the. Cracks so therefore it seems as

695
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: though there hasn't been a ton of information being released

696
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: when in other cases it's released so. Readily AND i

697
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: have to assume there's some strategy in, that AND i

698
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: have to also assume that there's some carefulness in that

699
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: by law enforcement because these are probably going to be

700
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: very big. Trials david's, included so they you, know they

701
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: don't want to mess it up with you, know misinformation

702
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: in the.

703
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 4: Media, Right and it does seem, like, OH i don't

704
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 4: know what it, is but all roads seem to lead

705
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 4: that they do think multiple people were, involved and again

706
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 4: that this would be released with some specificity in the medical.

707
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 4: Examination so there's something that we don't know that they

708
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: don't want everyone to.

709
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: Know this is true.

710
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 4: Crime, Tonight I'm courtney here With body And, stephanie and

711
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 4: we are talking about the celestiy of This hernandez. Case

712
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 4: and for really the first time in a long, time

713
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 4: THE lapd has gone on record giving information and really

714
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 4: clarifying misinformation that's been out in the. Press so we'd

715
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 4: love to hear your. Thoughts do you think that the

716
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 4: coroner has the right since they are fighting the sort

717
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 4: of injunction on their information that they. Have do you

718
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 4: think that they should be able to release this despite

719
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: officers request eighty eight three to one.

720
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 3: CRIME i so love to talk about.

721
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: That let's talk about. IT i, guess LIKE i THINK

722
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: i love to.

723
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 3: KNOW i do.

724
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: TOO i don't think they should fight.

725
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 5: IT i, think you, know when these security holds are

726
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 5: implemented is to protect the investigation and the integrity of

727
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 5: any witnesses that have seen something or you, know and

728
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 5: if the public knows, everything then so do the.

729
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: Suspects, yeah and case in, point everyone's talking about the fact,

730
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: that you, Know Celestritas hernandez was frozen and she.

731
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: Wasn't So's.

732
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 5: I'm so glad that we decided to kind of last

733
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 5: night kind of go with like we weren't sure like

734
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 5: THE tmt was right about this.

735
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 6: STUFF i wonder if they walk it back now or

736
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 6: do they.

737
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 5: You, know some part of, me, listen there's parts of

738
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 5: me that kind of think it's all on purpose to

739
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 5: GET lapd to release a.

740
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: Statement.

741
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:48,479
Speaker 5: Ah interesting because like you create a swell of misinformation right,

742
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 5: right and then they're forced to like say, something.

743
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 6: To say something about.

744
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 3: IT i don't, know that's just.

745
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: WHAT i don't. Know that sounds a little.

746
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 4: CONSPIRATORY i know the, reputation BUT i also think there's

747
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 4: such a hunger in this case has had a dearth

748
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 4: of information more than more than, most and so in that,

749
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: void human nature is to fill it with, information, Right and.

750
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: Do you report on what you're being?

751
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: Told?

752
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: Right SO i kind of, say as much as we

753
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: talk about, it, OBVIOUSLY i do think that the sanctity

754
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: of an investigation is paramount to. Everything so when you

755
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: look at cases like all of, Them Frankly david's the

756
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: Pop star or you, know The Charlie kirk, investigation, like,

757
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: yeah that's all very very sacred information because, appeals, appeals,

758
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: appeals it goes on, forever and you, know you want

759
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 2: to make sure you have the right guy or you,

760
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: know or right. Persons, yeah it's complicated, stuff and it's

761
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: hard for law enforcement to navigate through the public public.

762
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 3: Opinion.

763
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 5: Right AND i should add here it says the you,

764
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 5: know the Medical examiner released a, STATEMENT i, mean like

765
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 5: even the Medical examiner released a statement about, this and

766
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 5: it says that the hold was granted after detectives declaration

767
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 5: that said making autopsy findings public will reveal the identity

768
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 5: or witnesses and or informants and compromise the.

769
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: Investigation, right think about informants another big piece of. This

770
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: so you, know the media runs away with something and

771
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: now informants are put in a compromised, position which could

772
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: also be incredibly dangerous and undermine all of their.

773
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 5: Informing, yeah you, KNOW i Support, LISTEN i don't like

774
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 5: gag orders and things like. That when there's a, TRIAL

775
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 5: i don't like. IT i hate, it, Actually but when

776
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 5: there's an, on when there's an ongoing, INVESTIGATION i think it's,

777
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 5: important that's.

778
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 3: INTERESTING i actually don't mind a gag.

779
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: ORDER i find them troublesome because you're making a documentary

780
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: or podcast and it really puts.

781
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 5: A because of, that because of the, information but the

782
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 5: information of, information the vacuum that it, creates like it

783
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 5: happened In, delphi it happened In. Idaho IT'S i, mean

784
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 5: people run with anything and they make they blow it

785
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 5: up into, NOTHING i mean into crazy.

786
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 4: Proportions but that goes back to a little bit what

787
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 4: we were talking. About we've spoken about it in the,

788
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 4: past and particularly last night of the sourcing because how

789
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 4: this versus being an official, report you, know versus police

790
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: sources or sources, say so it just goes to sort,

791
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 4: of you, know being diligent in media consumption and being

792
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 4: careful in media.

793
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 5: Consumption, yeah and that's an important and that's an important.

794
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 5: Point like last, Night, courtney we were talking about AND

795
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 5: i think the night prior actually, too we were talking

796
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 5: about the source of this This it just kept saying laped.

797
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 5: Sources right when you're reading an article or you're watching

798
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 5: a YouTube channel and they're, saying oh my, source but

799
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 5: they're not saying who it, is be saus of that, information,

800
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 5: right be sus with this. Information we have the, name

801
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 5: it's AN lapd. Captain i'm looking for his name, Now Scott,

802
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 5: Williams Elliot.

803
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: Williams and sometimes the, source as we also learned From

804
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: Jared farantino On wednesday of last, week sometimes that's strategy

805
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: by law enforcement to seed information to the media for

806
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: us to run with it so that people create a

807
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: narrative and it makes it makes people. Squawk if you

808
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: are a bystander or you feel, like oh my, GOD

809
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 2: i was there And i'm going to go down with these.

810
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: CLOWNS i better you, KNOW i better talk, Now, yeah

811
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: because Otherwise i'm going to be the one left with the.

812
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: Bag that is how it goes. Down If i'm IF

813
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: i was in law, ENFORCEMENT i would totally be working

814
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: in tandem with the media for that very.

815
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 4: Reason, so, actually, BODY i might kind of take back

816
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 4: WHAT i said when you were, like MAYBE tmz you,

817
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 4: know did all, this but, no, honestly maybe LA.

818
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: PD i. AGREE i don't THINK i didn't.

819
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: Want to jump in And, harvey BUT i think My

820
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: harvey's probably you, know a part of the. Save you,

821
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: know sometimes you report on something and that makes people

822
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: who are close to the case on the bad guys,

823
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 2: Side they're, like oh my, Gosh i'm going. Down i'm going.

824
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: Down the walls are closing.

825
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 3: In right like the bump does exactly. Bump that's where it.

826
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 3: Is that is such a scary, thing the, bump the.

827
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 5: Bump H so for those who don't, know so this

828
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 5: happened in The atolsen case.

829
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: With it sounds like, cocaine but it's.

830
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 2: NOT i know it's.

831
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 5: Not, No so what they did was they Wanted in

832
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 5: the case Of Dan markle, Right denmarkel his his mother in, law.

833
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 3: His ex mother in.

834
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 5: Law she had gone quiet and wasn't wasn't, talking and

835
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 5: they wanted her to be talking to her son about

836
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 5: the murder they had, done and they have gone. Quiet

837
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 5: so THE fbi like physically bumped into her and handed

838
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 5: her a flyer and the flyer WAS i think it

839
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 5: was Of, dan the, victim.

840
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: And on the back it's call.

841
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 5: Me and so that getting that flyer from like the

842
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 5: some random stranger made them start.

843
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: Talking chatter, chatter, chatter, chatter, chatter.

844
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 4: And they did and piked, in piped in, massacre which.

845
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 4: Done you, Know katie's done five seasons of the podcast

846
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 4: on that very complicated. Case but that was also kind

847
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 4: of just planting little bits of information which ultimately got

848
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 4: the suspects.

849
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 3: Talking so such a good. Effect, Britany, yeah.

850
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah that's.

851
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: SO i was, like, well maybe they were in on.

852
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 5: It maybe they you, know kind of did that on,

853
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 5: purpose because they were they were sticking by it even

854
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 5: AFTER lapd or after it was like, no, no, no

855
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 5: they're like, no we're standing by our, reporting and they.

856
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: Do take it very, seriously have a Nice sure they

857
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: were penty four hours a. Day and, also you, know

858
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 2: is That Fox news also connected TO. Tmz i'm not totally,

859
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: sure But harvey My, harvey your.

860
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 4: Blessin keep it here because at the top of the,

861
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: hour we're going to be getting into The Anna kopner.

862
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 4: Case she's the teen who tragically died on The carnival. Cruise,

863
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 4: well the case is taking another. Turn her grandmother is

864
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 4: sharing new insights into the teen's death and who investigators

865
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 4: are focusing.

866
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 3: On we'd love to hear from. You eighty eight to

867
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886
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887
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 2: fact let's go to a talkback right. Now cruise ships

888
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: should require separate sleeping arrangements for unrelated teens or is that?

889
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 3: OVERSTEPPING?

890
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: O what a lead into what we're about to discuss

891
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: at A, KEBNER i can't eat this case enough because

892
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: it's making me, enraged is it? REALLY i don't know

893
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: what about this case is making me so? CRAZY i,

894
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: mean they all. Are everything tonight is, harrowing and at

895
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 2: some point we'll have to talk about a crock pot

896
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i know it's very, dark but it's you, know

897
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 2: the Sweet Anna. Keepner you know her grandparents are speaking

898
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 2: out for the first.

899
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 3: Time they too were on the cruise with.

900
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: Her you, know they she kissed them good night because you,

901
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: know she wasn't feeling so well at dinner and she

902
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: said to her, mema who's her?

903
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: Grandma?

904
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: Who by the, way if you look at grandma and

905
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 2: grandpa and put their little faces.

906
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: Together they Literally, anna they look exactly like.

907
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: Her so you, know the heartbreak is, just you, know

908
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: too much to bear for all of, them let alone

909
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: with the circumstances are shaking out to. Be, So, courtney

910
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: do you want to break down the family tree for,

911
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 2: us BECAUSE i think it's an important part of the puzzle.

912
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 9: Here.

913
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 4: Yeah So Anna, kepner the eighteen year old who lost

914
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 4: her life on The carnival cruise. Ship she was on

915
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 4: this cruise with her father and her, brother as well

916
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 4: as her stepmother and. Stepbrother and then also the grandparents

917
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 4: you referred to are her biological they're her father's mom and.

918
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 3: Dad, okay so those are the.

919
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 5: Players so the grandmother that spoke out is the one

920
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 5: that was on the cruise with.

921
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 2: Them, yes, yes she was on the cruise with. Them

922
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: they were having a delightful. Time they were all at dinner.

923
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: Together And anna eighteen years old basically who was a

924
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: cheerleader in high school and beloved big life ahead and you,

925
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: know looks like a movie star and they Basically anna

926
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 2: wasn't feeling so. Hot so she says to Me, ma her,

927
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: grandma you, KNOW i don't feel. Great i'm want to

928
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: catch you, later And i'm going to go because you,

929
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: Know grandpa And grandma were going to go and like

930
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: what you do on, cruises, right they're going to go

931
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: gamble or you, know dance the night away.

932
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: Hopefully But anna wasn't feeling so, hot so she.

933
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: Leaves and you, know she also said that in her,

934
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: opinion the really relationship between the stepbrother who's you, know

935
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: seemingly at the center of.

936
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 3: This he's also only sixteen years.

937
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 2: Old And anna that from her, perspective you, know they

938
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: were just like brothers and.

939
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 3: Sisters it wasn't so.

940
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: Deep but there are other people that are weighing, in

941
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 2: Like Anna kepner's ex, boyfriend for, example who was, saying

942
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: AND i don't know the sixteen year old. Stepbrother you,

943
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: know it was kind of a. Weirdo you, know he

944
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: was facetiming too. Much i'm, paraphrasing but there was something

945
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: weird in the air in his.

946
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 4: Apeation rapt by the way to answer the talk back beyond,

947
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 4: it AND i appreciate. IT i do think it's. OVERSTEPPING

948
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 4: i don't think we can make a blanket. STATEMENT i

949
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 4: understand why that thought popped into your, head but to

950
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 4: make a blanket, statement then unrelated teens can't stay in.

951
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: A room stay, together, right BECAUSE i Think i've.

952
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 6: Been travel, together and you, know you can't dictate how

953
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 6: a family should have their kids all share, room SO

954
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 6: i think that would be.

955
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 5: OVERSTEPPING i, MEAN i get what you guys are, Saying,

956
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 5: like you, know who can afford to pay for another?

957
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 2: Room?

958
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: Right well there was another room though.

959
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: Too they don't have to or the parents could make this, distinction,

960
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: Right so maybe.

961
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 5: The cruise the whole, family you can see with your

962
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 5: kids for a couple of.

963
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:22,479
Speaker 2: Days but If.

964
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 6: I'm not, mistaken there was still another, Child like it

965
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 6: was the sixteen year old and the fourteen year old

966
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 6: And anna in one. Room then there's the father and her,

967
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 6: stepmother and then there was a younger step sibling that

968
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 6: wasn't in the. Room so maybe that little younger. One you,

969
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 6: know maybe they didn't want too many kids all in

970
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 6: the same, room so there was a way to sort

971
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 6: of spread it.

972
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 3: Out, YEAH i don't.

973
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 6: KNOW i JUST i don't even know how expensive they,

974
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 6: are SO i.

975
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 5: Gets, Yeah, NO i MEAN i definitely, understand and you,

976
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 5: KNOW i just don't think kids of that, age you,

977
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 5: know sixteen sept fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen eighteen should be

978
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 5: in the same room. Together BUT i definitely understand number.

979
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 5: One it's kind of over stepping number. Two how do

980
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 5: you even enforce?

981
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: It but it's a good, point like this is a cautionary, tale,

982
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: perhaps you. Know so it seems like in correct me

983
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: If i'm wrong that the step brother who according to

984
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: the ex boyfriend Of Anna, KEPNER i don't know if

985
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: he gets a huge vote ex boyfriends who, KNOWS i.

986
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: Know so this is you, know we're waiting for the sauce.

987
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 2: Here this is opinions off of. Opinions so he's sixteen years.

988
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: Old he's the last person in the, room even according to, Me,

989
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: ma grandma it you, know they were, like do you

990
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: think the step sudden did? It and she was, LIKE

991
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: i hate you, Know i'm not just sure, here, Right

992
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: but you, know he was the only person in the

993
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 2: room because the fourteen year old who was also supposed

994
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: to be in that room wasn't at the. Time so

995
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: what do we? Think oh and, apparently and you know,

996
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 2: again you guys may have seen, this but when he

997
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: was being talked to by, authorities the sixteen year old,

998
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: stepbrother he was a real.

999
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 3: Mess and like super all over the.

1000
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 2: Place now other Side devil's, advocate you, know his roommate

1001
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: on a cruise ship who's also his, stepsister just was

1002
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: found dead under his. Bed maybe he's just traumatized from.

1003
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: THAT i mean he's sixteen years. Old or another theory

1004
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: were they goofing around and he was strong arming, her like,

1005
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: allegedly like the wounds seemed to seem like, afphyxiation as

1006
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: though he was she was taken into like a. Chokehold,

1007
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: yeah like, yeah like you, KNOW i have a bunch of.

1008
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 2: Brothers you, Know i've been in my fair share choke

1009
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 2: holds in that, regard you, know when you have older.

1010
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: Brothers or they just like goofing around and it went

1011
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: sideways and then he panicked and like shoved her under

1012
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: the bed and hoped for the. Best or was there

1013
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: something more calculated about. It it's you, know there's not enough, Information,

1014
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: courtney correct me If i'm.

1015
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 3: Wrong, no but.

1016
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 4: We'll update you on What there is no more information

1017
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 4: specifically on what you just, mentioned but a little more

1018
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 4: details about What anna's grandparents, said specifically her grandma Or Mima,

1019
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 4: barbara which given to them for their poise and being

1020
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 4: able to speak so. Eloquently they confirmed that THE fbi

1021
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 4: did tell the family that she died from exphyxiation and

1022
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 4: also revealed That anna's stepbrother is a.

1023
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 3: Suspect so she confirmed that information was shared.

1024
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 4: With, them and authorities have not publicly released a formal

1025
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 4: cause of, death but the investigation. Continues and, yeah the

1026
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 4: Grandma barbara just, said we were having a great. Time of,

1027
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 4: course you couldn't imagine who would want to hurt her.

1028
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 4: Babies And grandma also did confirm that authorities told the

1029
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 4: family That anna's sixteen year old, stepbrother the, suspect was

1030
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 4: the only one seen going in and out of the.

1031
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 4: Cabin and What grandma said, was, LISTEN i can't accuse,

1032
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 4: him OR i won't accuse him. Paraphrasing, however he was

1033
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 4: the only one going in and. Out and she, said

1034
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 4: but you, know she since she doesn't know what happened

1035
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 4: in that, room she can't accuse. Him and you did

1036
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 4: not overstate talking about the sixteen year old step brother

1037
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 4: being a mess when he was speaking with, Authorities And grandma,

1038
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 4: said who was there for part of? It that she believed,

1039
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 4: him that his truth and he was just an emotional.

1040
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 4: Mess so maybe it seemed like maybe he blocked it

1041
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 4: out or whatever happened in that.

1042
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 5: Room, wow did you guys hear about the ex boyfriend, Though.

1043
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: Well the ex boyfriend says that the stepbrother was, creepy but, like, well,

1044
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: no he said.

1045
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 5: A lot more than.

1046
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 3: That let's HEAR i. Said he.

1047
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 5: Said the ex boyfriend apparently spoke with the little, brother

1048
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 5: the biological, brother the fourteen year, old and the biological

1049
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 5: brother said that he heard, shouting screaming in what sounded like

1050
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 5: furniture being thrown around in that, room and he tried

1051
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 5: to get back in but he was.

1052
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: Blocked that's according to the ex.

1053
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 4: Boyfriend so which is also goes back to what we

1054
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 4: are talking. ABOUT i would just say we take that

1055
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 4: with a mountain of, salt, agreed because that's the source

1056
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 4: of the ex, boyfriend whomever he may.

1057
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 3: Be maybe he's the most lovely.

1058
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 4: GUY i have no idea his interpretation of allegedly What

1059
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 4: Anna kappner's fourteen year old brother said to.

1060
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: Him, so what a tragedy for everybody involved. Here the

1061
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: sixteen year old's, gone fourteen year olds. Traumatized anna is,

1062
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: gone you know, Me ma is, heartbroken and her husband and,

1063
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: mom the, stepmom she's not cooperating with, authority is taking the?

1064
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 3: Fifth is that?

1065
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 5: Accurate, well she took the fifth in her custody agreement

1066
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 5: and not not in you, know with the. POLICE i

1067
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 5: mean she's not you, know a, susper, right it's in

1068
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 5: relation to the custody.

1069
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 3: Agreement she took the.

1070
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 6: Fifth, stephan did you hear About anna's biological mom that

1071
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 6: she found out about the death Of anna basically through The,

1072
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 6: internet like no one had actually contacted her directly to

1073
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 6: let her stop?

1074
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: It.

1075
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 3: Horrible we talked about this last. Night, Yea so she

1076
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: googled it last. Night i'm giving you the date right, now.

1077
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 4: Sisters authorities didn't tell, her and nor Did anna's, Father

1078
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 4: and we're just, saying no matter, what no matter how,

1079
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 4: contentious and of course marriages breaking up can be. CONTENTIOUS

1080
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 4: i have no idea what's going, on but to not

1081
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 4: call and let her know and let her find out

1082
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 4: by doing her Own google.

1083
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 3: Search and then she had to sneak into the. Funeral,

1084
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 3: yeah why she had to wear.

1085
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 6: A skag and heels like something that you, know just

1086
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 6: made her not. Noticeable so there's a lot of everything

1087
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 6: sounds a little fishy and kind of unusual with their family,

1088
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 6: dynamic but that one in particular stood out as, like

1089
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 6: who would not tell their own the mother of their Own.

1090
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 5: We don't know their, history don't know if they had a,

1091
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 5: Relationship we don't, know you, KNOW i, MEAN i don't

1092
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 5: want to.

1093
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: Say What i'm.

1094
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: Thinking that's, awful you, know yeah?

1095
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 4: What? Yeah What anna's biological mother, again who found out

1096
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 4: by googling that her daughter was. Dead she wore this

1097
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 4: disguise because Apparently anna's, father her ex, husband had said

1098
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 4: that if you she lives out of, state that if

1099
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 4: she stepped foot into the state Of, florida he'd have

1100
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 4: her arrested due to some hustody involved issues.

1101
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 2: At some, point like things are so, contentious and you, know,

1102
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: listen relationships being contentious is the story as old as, time,

1103
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: right there has to be a moment of reckoning where

1104
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 2: all things are off the table and give me a.

1105
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 3: Break that is the MOM i think she lives In.

1106
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 5: Oklahoma she just saw that this there was a cruise ship,

1107
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 5: death and she googled it and literally the picture of

1108
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 5: her daughter appeared and she was, like oh my, god

1109
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 5: it was my.

1110
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,919
Speaker 3: Daughter, yeah that's how she found. Out isn't that? Insane oh,

1111
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 3: NO i know it's real sick in.

1112
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 5: It and then they have this celebration of life for

1113
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 5: funeral and she's, Like i'm coming And dad's, like if

1114
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 5: you come To, Florida i'm going to have you thrown in.

1115
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 5: Jail so she goes anyway and wears the disguise like, what,

1116
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 5: well let me ask.

1117
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 3: You, like crazy town is what this new mother?

1118
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 2: Is, Like oh my, goodness don't get me.

1119
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 4: Started But, boddy do you know for a certaintude that

1120
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 4: dad said that To Anna kapner's mom at the time

1121
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 4: of her, death or BECAUSE i WHAT i read just

1122
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 4: said he said. It it could have been seven years, ago? Gotcha,

1123
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 4: yeah you Understand i'm SAYING i absolutely.

1124
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 3: Do so maybe context is, right, yeah or the.

1125
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: Ex boyfriend said. It by the, way ex boyfriend might

1126
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: be an amazing. Source i'm not suggesting he's. Not i'm

1127
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 2: just it bums me out sixteen years, Old, like something

1128
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 2: doesn't seem right. There and the.

1129
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 5: Ex boyfriend also said that on FaceTime calls when he

1130
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 5: was With, anna they would be on FaceTime and the

1131
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 5: stepbrother would be like crawling on top of.

1132
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 6: Her oh, yeah like in a in a sexual way

1133
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:33,919
Speaker 6: or in.

1134
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 3: That's what he.

1135
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: Implies that was my say away from What i've heard

1136
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: from him.

1137
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 6: Too, yeah all those, points maybe they should never have

1138
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 6: been in the room, together, clearly but SO i get.

1139
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 3: That but so we should discuss.

1140
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: This so one thing to our you, know talkbacks, point

1141
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: the cruise ship can't be held responsible for separating young

1142
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: adults or teenagers that are under this same roof that

1143
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: are not, biological, Right, so but it is a cautionary

1144
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 2: tale to the many many families who are com mingling and,

1145
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 2: blending which is the, goal Right you want smooth transitions

1146
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 2: and everyone gets on and it's good. Times but maybe

1147
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: at the teen years that is something for separation or

1148
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 2: if you ever have an inkling that there's troubled.

1149
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 3: Waters my, god pun not.

1150
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: Intended that did not come out as an intentional, pun,

1151
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 2: Right but that is just sort, of you, know something

1152
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 2: for everyone to think.

1153
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 6: ABOUT i, suppose but she is, eighteen SO i could

1154
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 6: There's that's WHY i go back and forth because she's,

1155
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 6: eighteen so it seems true to think things through and

1156
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 6: the other legal. Adult, Yeah Megan kelly would say, anyway

1157
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 6: she's definitely. Older that's a, sidebar but.

1158
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 2: Yah Says.

1159
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 4: Casey, yeah says Case, well we can all, Yeah so

1160
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 4: we'll keep you up on all of. This AND i

1161
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 4: think we just all thanked good thoughts for the senselessness

1162
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 4: Of anna's, life this beautiful cheerleader who was set to.

1163
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 3: Graduate and wanted to join THE Us.

1164
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 4: Navy, Okay so moving, on stay with us after the.

1165
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 3: Break roadblocks is cracking down.

1166
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 4: And there's going to be some major new age checks

1167
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 4: to keep kids away from.

1168
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 3: Adults True Crime.

1169
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 2: Tonight welcome back To True Crime tonight On. iHeartRadio we're

1170
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time Of Stephanie. Leidecker here

1171
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 2: with my dance and. Ladies, Coritney i'm strong and body move.

1172
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 9: In.

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01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 2: Listen we had to all shake it off during the,

1174
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 2: break shake it, Off shake it off because it's, dark really.

1175
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: Dark our hearts are with, Me ma and all Of anna's.

1176
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 2: Family going back to the last, segment and there's all

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01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: these new developments On roadblocks and new so there are

1178
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 2: some new guardrails being put into The roadblocks, world which

1179
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 2: obviously is long overdue for much of the reporting that we've.

1180
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: Heard and also this seven six,' four which is this

1181
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 2: now extremist group which you know we were talking about

1182
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: in the Podcast in Cells. And courtney you can talk more.

1183
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: To this please check out the. Podcast too also on

1184
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 2: your iHeartRadio app, important stuff and we were just saying during,

1185
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 2: the break really important even in my. OWN world i

1186
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 2: Feel like i've learned so much and have applied it

1187
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: in my. Own world like, YOU, know covid we were, all,

1188
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: like oh be so strict on, the rules and in,

1189
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 2: My case i'm a, single mom so like you really

1190
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 2: want to make sure that you try to be all

1191
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 2: things and you can't be all, things right so sometimes

1192
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: you need the reminder the little this is like real

1193
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 2: and like roadblocks has. Gone rogue how do you rain that?

1194
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: Back in and, you know how do you rain that?

1195
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 2: Back in it seems so like happy and it's.

1196
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 3: Little blocks how bad could?

1197
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 2: It Be so i'm really glad to see that maybe

1198
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 2: some of these larger conversations that have been happening in

1199
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 2: the media have really forced the hand of these platforms

1200
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 2: to make make it.

1201
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 3: Harder.

1202
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 6: PERIOD yeah i wonder if it's because the media is talking,

1203
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 6: about it or if, you know the people that are

1204
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 6: taking loss legal action against them is.

1205
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 2: Forcing thank you, Do it but likely, The, latter yeah

1206
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 2: but the legal enforcement puts it in the media or.

1207
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 2: Vice VERSA so i think, that's, also yeah, money, Talks

1208
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 2: RIGHT but i, DON'T know i FEEL like i learned

1209
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: so much on this program and through you guys just

1210
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 2: by talking, about, it right because, you know you think

1211
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: you're being strict and then you think you're being, on

1212
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 2: it but you know you got to kind of do

1213
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: it all, the time so, you know you, look back, you're,

1214
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: like gosh you know it's, it's.

1215
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 3: Hard man so there's, no shame.

1216
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: No judgment i'm just really grateful that there's maybe some

1217
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 2: change in.

1218
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 9: The.

1219
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 6: Air, Same YEAH and i had never even heard of

1220
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 6: seven sixty four until The intill courtney.

1221
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 3: Started sobbing courtney talked.

1222
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 6: About It so COURTNEY and i know this news with.

1223
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 2: That one well that.

1224
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 4: And it's kind of, amazing because like, You, said stephanie

1225
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 4: things that, YOU know i think we all learned so

1226
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 4: much doing The in. Cells podcast and this is no

1227
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 4: kind of. Shameless plug it was just a lot of

1228
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 4: REALITY that i didn't. Know Existed and i'm really grateful

1229
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 4: for including the seven, six four which was brought to

1230
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 4: our attention by a prosecutor we interviewed for another in,

1231
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 4: cell crime and.

1232
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 2: We had never heard, Of, IT like i have never heard.

1233
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 2: Of Not And, courtney ARMSTRONG who's i don't know.

1234
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 3: How to say.

1235
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 2: Toughest steel how do we how do We say courtney's

1236
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 2: tough like she can she can hold, her own she's a,

1237
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 2: good stock she hears. It all she's not. EASILY shaken i, would,

1238
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 2: Say right i'm probably. More Shakeable, AND body i think

1239
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: you're a perfect HYBRID because i think you wear your

1240
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 2: emotions on the sleeve and you're tough as nails all

1241
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 2: at the.

1242
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 3: Same time, so like and, you know that is the truth.

1243
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: Of it courtney was sobbing after, that interview like like.

1244
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 3: UNCONTROLLABLY sobbing i, REMEMBER it, i, REMEMBER yeah i mean.

1245
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 2: It's yeah it's.

1246
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 4: Unimaginable stuff so here's. What's happening federal investigators have issued

1247
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 4: new warnings about this seven six four network and it

1248
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 4: is a violent online extremist group that. Targets children, fresh

1249
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 4: indictments escalating cases are showing that this organization, is growing

1250
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 4: it is splintering into new subgroups and becoming harder for

1251
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 4: law enforcement.

1252
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 3: To track so a little bit.

1253
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 4: Of background, investigators again they they have just said that

1254
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 4: this threat is intensifying.

1255
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 3: At a really.

1256
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 4: Rapid RATE the fbi and other authorities are examining hundreds

1257
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 4: of cases with. Potential ties and this goes past the

1258
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 4: atrocities that happen online and into, you know physical violence hand.

1259
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 4: To hand and that includes A deadly january twenty second

1260
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 4: Shooting At Antioch high school that Happened, in Nashville the

1261
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 4: may nineteenth bombing Of A palm springs fertility clinic and

1262
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 4: arson Spree, in wisconsin and a series of swatting incidents

1263
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 4: at colleges. This fall so this seven six' four nihilist

1264
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 4: extremist violent group is now acting out in person as

1265
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 4: well as behind The screens every there are again. Hundreds

1266
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 4: of investigations every single one of the bureau's fifty six

1267
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 4: field offices are handling at least one case tied to

1268
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 4: the seven sixty four. For its offshoots so this is

1269
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 4: happening in a really wide way and we all need to.

1270
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 4: Know about it and now obviously it is hitting the

1271
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 4: news more. As right here so this WEEK'S newly unsealed

1272
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 4: doj Indictman Involves a marilyn man accused of coursing a

1273
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 4: minor into self harm and live. Streamed sexual, abuse excuse

1274
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 4: me and that is a really big fundamental part. Of this,

1275
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 4: group officials, say this network the seven, six y four

1276
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 4: operates more like a loosely, organized extremist movement and they use.

1277
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 4: Detailed online manuals the members of this group have manuals,

1278
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 4: that teach grooming that, teach, emotional manipulation blackmail and how

1279
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 4: to escalate victims into more extreme. And dangerous behavior that

1280
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 4: is the goal of this group largely is to get children. To,

1281
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 4: hurt themselves body.

1282
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 3: Did you guys hear about this Little Boy in west

1283
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 3: virginia press state.

1284
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 9: And?

1285
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 2: Talk about father? Can?

1286
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:03,799
Speaker 5: We yeah please his father posted His Name, is adam

1287
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 5: tate and his father posted how. It went down for

1288
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 5: those who Don't, know about Bryce he, Died november sixth

1289
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 5: just so this is very recent and he was approached

1290
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 5: online by somebody posing as a seventeen year old girl

1291
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 5: who said they, had mutual friends and they started chatting

1292
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 5: and she said that she wanted some, pictures of him

1293
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 5: and like any, fifteen year old he complied and then immediately. The,

1294
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 5: sextation began okay you need to send me five Hundred

1295
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 5: dollars or i'm, going to. School you know and the

1296
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 5: dad said it. Happened so, quickly He said like I'M

1297
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 5: paraphrasing because i don't have in, front of me but

1298
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 5: he said that the first message was like at four

1299
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 5: o'clock and the last message was.

1300
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: At seven o'clock this.

1301
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 5: Happened, Very quickly WOW and remember i every current to

1302
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 5: please go read at His.

1303
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 4: Post on facebook and what happened at the very end,

1304
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 4: of this actually and the child'll Take is unfortunately.

1305
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 2: Bryce shot.

1306
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 6: Himself, oh god yeah.

1307
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 2: So just for the play, along of, hideousness and like

1308
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 2: may everybody involved in this see some. Real legal time

1309
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 2: that's a problem with the, dark web though it's really

1310
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 2: hard to identify who the individual players are because it's

1311
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 2: it's nebulous and like what are? They looking for who

1312
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 2: specifically are? They looking FOR. There's not dna it's like

1313
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: very hard. To track right so in like the marching

1314
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 2: orders are exactly what, you just described which. Is, so

1315
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 2: painful hey send, me something sexy, send me something, do

1316
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 2: something inappropriate and then you know who has any judgment.

1317
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: AT that age, i certainly didn't and, you you know

1318
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 2: do it and, Then they're like i'm going to tell your.

1319
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 2: Parents how exciting i'm going to show this. To your

1320
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 2: teacher i'm going to. Tell your pastor i'm going to

1321
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 2: show and then and then and, then and like can

1322
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 2: you imagine the? Prayer of that as, A young adult

1323
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 2: i would not.

1324
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,560
Speaker 3: Have survived it i'm going to.

1325
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 2: Read Just.

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01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:09,799
Speaker 5: Please adam tate he is the Father Of, victim bryce

1327
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 5: tate who recently committed. Suicide over, this he said once the,

1328
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 5: photos were sent. The extortion began they demanded, five hundred

1329
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,799
Speaker 5: dollars threatening to share images, with, the, school family friends

1330
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 5: and social media followers if. He didn't pay they, shamed

1331
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 5: him relentlessly convincing him that this one mistake had ruined.

1332
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 5: His life forever these criminals are professionals who prey on innocence,

1333
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 5: all day long and, they're incredibly persuasive. Especially, two children

1334
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,600
Speaker 5: bryce feeling trapped with no way out and believing his,

1335
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 5: world was destroyed was manipulated into taking. His own life and,

1336
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 5: then it says we also want everyone to be aware

1337
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 5: that the first message was at four pm and the

1338
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 5: last message was at seven. To nine pm this, was

1339
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 5: extremely fast And from, what i've researched this is typically.

1340
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 5: How it works most outcomes are within six hours of.

1341
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 3: THE ACTUAL interaction, I i, Really i.

1342
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 5: Really and The only reason i'm bringing THIS up is

1343
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 5: i think it would be really good for parents of

1344
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,839
Speaker 5: children in this age range to maybe Go read mister Tate's.

1345
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 5: Post on facebook Just Look. For adam, tate IT'S heartbreaking

1346
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 5: but i think it's. Really important information.

1347
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 3: Thank you. FOR sharing THAT i just i wanted.

1348
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 4: To point out one other thing is that often, members can,

1349
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 4: start you know, grooming can start and often does start,

1350
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 4: nicely and innocently and even if we're talking about Younger

1351
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 4: children with, you're SO smart and i would like, to

1352
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 4: give you send you a couple.

1353
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 2: Of, books online.

1354
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 3: Yeah let, me, worlds books yes.

1355
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 5: Literally road, books so yeah.

1356
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 3: This is important.

1357
01:12:56,240 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 2: We'll, we'll continue also something that's like already you. KNOW studying, too,

1358
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,799
Speaker 2: i mean listen you're, dealing, With teenagers right so imagine,

1359
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 2: you're a teenager you look at a porn site and

1360
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 2: then suddenly there's an email that COMES right after i

1361
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 2: saw what you. Were looking at i'm going to, Tell

1362
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 2: your parents i'm going to, Call your school i'm going to.

1363
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 2: Tell your mima i'm going to tell everybody, Under, the

1364
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 2: sun like can you imagine the firestorm you must be

1365
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: feeling in your head you have. No frontal lobes you

1366
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 2: feel like the world is crashing in and, you you

1367
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 2: know we remember that age my parents are going. To, kill, Me,

1368
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: yeah yeah no they're not going. To KILL you and

1369
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,600
Speaker 2: i think that's what every kid needs to. Be reassured,

1370
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 2: about but boy when you're in, that hot seat it's hard.

1371
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 2: To know that.

1372
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 3: And, it's hard yeah it's where do? You even start like? Who,

1373
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 3: you know oh.

1374
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 5: IT'S just terrifying i read that POST today and i

1375
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 5: just my eyes just swalled up, in WATER immediately like

1376
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 5: i just.

1377
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 2: It's so sad You're Listening to.

1378
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 5: True crime tonight where we talk true crime. All the

1379
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 5: time i'm Body moving and I'm here With. Stephanie and

1380
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 5: courtney we've been talking about the seven. Six four network

1381
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 5: if you want to weigh, in your thoughts give us

1382
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 5: a call at eighty eight thirty one crime or send

1383
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 5: us a talk Back On the.

1384
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 3: iHeart radio app i'm.

1385
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 2: GONNA go ahead i was going to say ONE thing

1386
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 2: that I will say i learned also, on THIS show

1387
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 2: and i forget who the expert was that taught, it

1388
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 2: to us but it really has BEEN applicable and i

1389
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 2: recommend it is about like not making discussions, with your,

1390
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 2: children you know because, it's Hard stuff right you're talking

1391
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 2: about like real heavy stuff and, it's super dark and

1392
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 2: you're like to talk to their mod it's?

1393
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 3: Lose my number how quickly?

1394
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 2: Can you possibly there's a couple of really basic pieces

1395
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 2: of Advices that that I'VE learned that i do. Think

1396
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 2: it's accurate which is one if you're. In the car,

1397
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 2: first of all it's always about. The, car drives yeah

1398
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: if you're, in the car especially if you're the child

1399
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 2: is in the backseat or even in, the front seat

1400
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 2: like you're not making, DIRECT eye contact i think. Is

1401
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 2: the lead you're, Looking straight ahead you're not like face

1402
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 2: to face across a meal, where THEY'RE like am i being?

1403
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 2: Interrograted right now do? You know? Something you know if

1404
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 2: it's just like a casual convo and there's, zero eye

1405
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,799
Speaker 2: contact actually, very good advice sounds simple. But really true

1406
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 2: and also the kickoff line is are you looking at

1407
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 2: this or do you know? Anything about that that also

1408
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 2: kind of seems. A little, accusatory you know you get,

1409
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 2: defensive right away as opposed to a little bit more esoteric,

1410
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 2: of you know what is it like to be in

1411
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 2: what's it like to be? A fifth, grader you, know

1412
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 2: right now what? Are you experiencing like, fill me in

1413
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 2: like what are? You hearing like or a middle school or.

1414
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: A high schooler sometimes being a little bit more third

1415
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 2: person first person is kind of that's. A good idea

1416
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 2: it kind of takes the pressure, off, of themselves right

1417
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 2: so you can kind of have a little bit of

1418
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 2: a crack to have a way into a larger conversation and.

1419
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 2: Conversations around consent these are. All HEAVY things but i

1420
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 2: do think those were Good tips that I'VE learned that.

1421
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have it's, sounds PRETTY basic but, i wouldn't.

1422
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 3: HAVE thoughtown that i Think It.

1423
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 4: Was, JESSICA kathlin yeah i, think it, was because yeah

1424
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 4: and all of that really is.

1425
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 2: Jess knows best, just knows best, just knows. Best is

1426
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 2: right but and if you have any, tips, and suggestions yeah,

1427
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 2: let THEM rap because i think.

1428
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 3: We're all ears how do we?

1429
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 2: Help other?

1430
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 3: Parents right exactly and? Other kids too like? What's the course?

1431
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 5: OBVIOUSLY the kids, i mean, clearly BUT yeah because i

1432
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 5: wouldn't know. WHAT to, DO i mean i, don't have,

1433
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 5: Kids YOU KNOW like i i wouldn't even know.

1434
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 2: What, To do no but also looking back to when we,

1435
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 2: WERE that age i would have been running.

1436
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 3: For the hills, OH my god I, DON'T even yeah i.

1437
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 6: Was just embarrassed if someone stuck someone. On, MY locks aside.

1438
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 5: I didn't know i never wanted to like bother my

1439
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 5: mom because She was bo she were so BUSY and

1440
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 5: like i, just you know ANY heartbreak, THAT i had

1441
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 5: i didn't want her to. Know, about it, YEAH you

1442
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 5: know i wanted to SPARE her to i didn't want.

1443
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 5: Her To Worry and i'm i'm certain there's a million

1444
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 5: billion other kids that were, just like, me you.

1445
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 3: Know and chances, are you know on the other side

1446
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 3: of that is just.

1447
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 2: A warm hug but when you're, like in, there you

1448
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,799
Speaker 2: know kids filling in the blanks is never, a good idea?

1449
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 3: Right oh, man but yeah please. Go read that that.

1450
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 5: That posts us It's just so i've been thinking about,

1451
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 5: it All day and i've been waiting for This segment,

1452
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 5: BECAUSE i'm like i need to. Talk About this adam

1453
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 5: tate post The Father, of Bryce tate.

1454
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 2: Who i'm so glad. You've, brought that yeah it's. It's

1455
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 2: heart breaking God bless the Tate family. Because, god bless

1456
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 2: yeah it's really generous to share. To spark CONVERSATION that's

1457
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 2: what i was just going to say that then hopefully

1458
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 2: spark many More, conversations with.

1459
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 5: Yeah he, said you know they've spent days sifting through

1460
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 5: the memories trying to make. Sense of everything bryce was not.

1461
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 5: Bullied in school. He was, not you know it's. Just

1462
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 5: very sad please. Go, read, It wow, please so. Yeah

1463
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 5: stick around, coming up next we're going to tell You

1464
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 5: about what rollblocks is doing to.

1465
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 3: Protect the kids let's see. Her about that and we.

1466
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 2: Have a caller?

1467
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 3: Is, that true oh we, Have a caller so we're

1468
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 3: going to. Take a call keep, It Right Here. True

1469
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 3: drive tonight.

1470
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 2: Welcome Back To true Crime. Tonight and iHeartRadio we're talking

1471
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 2: true crime. All The Time i'm stephanie Leidecker Here with

1472
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 2: courtney armstrong and my body move, in and hey we

1473
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 2: have a caller, On, The line michelle welcome.

1474
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 5: To.

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01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 2: The show Hi michelle is MICHELLE.

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01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 5: With.

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01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 2: ONE l hi.

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01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 9: I just want to add a little More Information about

1479
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 9: banna kafner story and the interview, with the grandmother especially

1480
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 9: since like the rooming together, and unrelated teams it's such.

1481
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 9: A contingous issue and so what the grandma had said

1482
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 9: in an, interview, was that okay there was three generations

1483
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 9: and there was actually five children that were on, this

1484
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 9: crews together and so the grandparents had. Their own room

1485
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 9: the parents, had their room and they kept the two younger,

1486
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 9: girls with them and the teenagers stayed in. The third

1487
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 9: room and they they said that the three teenagers had

1488
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 9: decided amongst themselves that they wanted to stay together. In

1489
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 9: the room but the grandmother also said she said they

1490
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 9: had a larger room and that they made it clear

1491
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,600
Speaker 9: that if any time they weren't getting along and they

1492
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 9: didn't want, to be together that any one of them

1493
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 9: could stay in the room. With the grandparents so she

1494
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 9: just wanted to. Make THAT clear so i thought, that

1495
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 9: was interesting although we do really want to stay, with their, grandparents, you,

1496
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 9: know right yeah but if she, did feel uncomfortable there

1497
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 9: was a place for. Her to go so but that

1498
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 9: was quote from An Interview from barbara, kepner as well that's.

1499
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 5: Really Important information and i'm so glad you called in to.

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01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,759
Speaker 5: Let us, Know, Thank you Michelle.

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01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 2: Thank you michelle and also it, sounds show, Well thank you.

1502
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 3: We Love you oh.

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01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 9: MICHELLE did everything i MEAN that, they i know we

1504
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 9: listen to, you every night including we're. Usually streaming it

1505
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 9: so you guys are awesome and we love you so

1506
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 9: much and. Keep it going you're, like our family like

1507
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 9: in the, late at night even for Us of. The Eastern, seaboard, So.

1508
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 3: Michell nice, You're so sweet thank you so much.

1509
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 9: For calling guys have.

1510
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 3: A good night oh she. Was so sweet she has such.

1511
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 5: A nice, voice she does she does have.

1512
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 2: A good voice she'd be, a good speaker.

1513
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 3: She, sure was yeah so That's important for.

1514
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 5: Michelle to know so there was, the grandparents room and

1515
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 5: then there was, the parents room and there were the

1516
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 5: two younger siblings or two younger girls in, with, the

1517
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 5: parents right And Then in anna kepner room there. Was

1518
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 5: the teenagers so that makes a. Lot, more sense actually

1519
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 5: that puts a lot more. Perspective, for me.

1520
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 3: Yeah like what else?

1521
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 2: Can they do they can't have, a thousand, rooms you

1522
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 2: know it's it's.

1523
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 3: A small.

1524
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 6: Fortune three rooms how do you divide it Up amongst

1525
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 6: h it's a, Lose.

1526
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 2: Lose really and when you, think about it when you're,

1527
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 2: eighteen Years old, as anna was in some ways she

1528
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 2: becomes like the the the adult, ADULT or adult. I Say,

1529
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 2: ADULTS i'm FRENCH i know i.

1530
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 3: SAY adult too i DON'T know why i said.

1531
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 2: It, that way ADULTS my vas i DON'T.

1532
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 3: Know why i said. It that way but.

1533
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: It's an adult but like, in her, Mind, you know

1534
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 2: look she's, on, a babysitter right so but she's like

1535
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 2: electing to be with her baby. Brother who's fourteen but

1536
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 2: that's four years, younger and okay, well you know throw

1537
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 2: the stepbrother, In there too. No big deal it sounds

1538
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 2: like they kind of divided that up to the best

1539
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 2: of their ability as. As humanly possible it doesn't kind of,

1540
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 2: ford ten, rooms you know.

1541
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 5: Otherwise, you couldn't yeah sometimes your Best friend the vardashians.

1542
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 6: For each room so.

1543
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 2: My Best friends the. Kardashians, COULD right yeah.

1544
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 4: I don't know i've had some real loosey goosey arrangements

1545
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 4: and it's just.

1546
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 3: Like pile in. Don't You know so i've been with

1547
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 3: whole judgment.

1548
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 5: On, THAT week WELL i have i have An update

1549
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 5: ON roadblocks that i kind of wanted.

1550
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 3: To talk about please.

1551
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 5: Fall Into this so roadblocks is introducing sweeping age verification

1552
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 5: and chat restriction changes after like massive scrutiny over.

1553
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 3: Child safety, on this platform.

1554
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 5: So federal regulators and text safety advocates say that these

1555
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 5: steps mark one of the most significant moves to date

1556
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:40,719
Speaker 5: to keep younger users isolated from adults and. Reduced grooming

1557
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 5: risks the Rollout begins this december and Glows. Global By

1558
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:49,719
Speaker 5: january so roadblocks is going to start users who want

1559
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,520
Speaker 5: to use chat to do some kind of. Ide verification

1560
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 5: process it's going to start beginning in SELECT markets which.

1561
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 5: I Have, them They're australia news Land and the Netherlands,

1562
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 5: in early december, so coming up and Then. Globally in

1563
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 5: january so the age estimation process, uses video selfies so

1564
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 5: you'll take a video of yourself and it's probably going to, estimate,

1565
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 5: Your age right i've, seen those before and then assign

1566
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:26,919
Speaker 5: users to one of six brackets under nine, nine through twelve,

1567
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 5: thirteen through fifteen, sixteen, through seventeen eighteen eighteen through twenty

1568
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 5: and then twenty. One and over with, this new system

1569
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 5: users will only be allowed to chat with other users

1570
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:39,639
Speaker 5: in their.

1571
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 2: SAME age bracket i mean Not to be devil's advocate

1572
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 2: here because there's no way to win based, on THIS

1573
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 2: conversation but i don't love the idea of kids having.

1574
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 3: THEIR faces scanned.

1575
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 2: I don't know now we're going to be in THE

1576
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 2: real digital id and now they're like likeness is being

1577
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 2: stolen right. Under our nose there's really it's. A hard

1578
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 2: one it is, a hard one, but.

1579
01:23:59,360 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 5: Go.

1580
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 4: Ahead CORK oh and i was, GOING to say i

1581
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 4: don't know what would PREVENT anyone if i was SOME creep,

1582
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 4: and i, had you know whether it was my eight, year,

1583
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 4: Old sister whatever THERE'S nothing unless i MISUNDERSTAND.

1584
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 5: Exactly what i was, Going to say like what's going to,

1585
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 5: Present You know jim bob the predator from longing into.

1586
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 3: His, daughter's account yeah.

1587
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 2: Or you're just using his daughter's face or using, came

1588
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 2: here honey like sit in front, of THIS camera so i,

1589
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 2: can you know? USE your Face i d and, by

1590
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 2: the way can we just list the countries as, this

1591
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 2: is rolling it's always it's always these three that are

1592
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 2: always ahead.

1593
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:41,600
Speaker 3: Of The curve australia News. And the netherlands we.

1594
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 2: Should do a crime search, on them too because they're also,

1595
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 2: have no, crime you know like they're the at the

1596
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 2: always at the forefront of, what's going right they have

1597
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 2: The lowest crime i'm just going on. On a limit schools.

1598
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 2: The best educations, BY the way i think the Happiest

1599
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 2: places on earth also fall probably. In those categories have

1600
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 2: you ever met anyone from either of those places that?

1601
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 2: IS not awesome i love.

1602
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 4: THEM so much i wanted To Live, in, new zealand

1603
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 4: like actually Investigated Moving. To new, ZEALAND so yes i did,

1604
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 4: ON my list i Mean. With THE roadblocks so, i

1605
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 4: Listened to which. STEPHANIE always loves i was listening, to

1606
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 4: A podcast which. I do incessantly and.

1607
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 2: Then you really do you listen to a.

1608
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 5: Lot of podcasts where do you? Find, THE time well

1609
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 5: i guess you're working and You, JUST have yeah i.

1610
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 4: Have them on IT'S, Also like i i'm not online,

1611
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,600
Speaker 4: like YOU are AND i watched tv all the time AND.

1612
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 3: You watch tv it's just all it's a. Safe that's.

1613
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 4: True, THAT'S true however i listened This weekend to it's

1614
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,560
Speaker 4: a it's A It's A new york. Times produced podcast

1615
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 4: It's called hard fork and it's, a tech podcast.

1616
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 3: Which is absolutely not my.

1617
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 4: Normal mo O but The ceo of roadblocks Was on

1618
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:02,679
Speaker 4: day zuki and. It got tense it got very tense

1619
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 4: because they were asking a lot of questions about the

1620
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 4: lawsuits and THE.

1621
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 3: Safety and i can say THAT What.

1622
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 4: The ceo bazouki was saying in addition to mentioning this

1623
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 4: rollout of, the face verification WHICH is when i first

1624
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 4: had the thought of good grief that.

1625
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 3: COULD go, wrong i MEAN why wouldn't i have not?

1626
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 4: To be, glad you know a cage of children different

1627
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 4: ages and just go and have them put their faces.

1628
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 2: To identify exactly it's a, sex, traffickers dream, Right it's

1629
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 2: literally but apparently there are also OTHER iterations of ai

1630
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 2: that are all trying to work together in concert to

1631
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 2: try and stop everything.

1632
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 3: That's going on go, Ahead, BY me well i would

1633
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 3: like to know what.

1634
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 5: Our listeners think do you think that these security measures

1635
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 5: are enough to allow your child? To play rollblocks give

1636
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 5: us a call eighty eight thirty one crime or hit

1637
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 5: us on the talk box on. The iHeartRadio app but

1638
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 5: i would really like to know like parents. THINK about

1639
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,919
Speaker 5: this i personally don't think it's going. TO be effective

1640
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 5: i think this this video selfie verification. Process is flawed

1641
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 5: i've seen them and other iterations of different kinds of

1642
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 5: software apps like estimating your. Age and whatnot and.

1643
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 3: It's just. Goofy it's great.

1644
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 2: And people look different than their age number one and.

1645
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 2: Also that's twenty what do you mean you do know,

1646
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 2: you Look nineteen don't you don't, don't age up, You

1647
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 2: are eighteen you, are eighteen always but you know to,

1648
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 2: that extent though what, Is, THE answer like i think

1649
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 2: the answer is we Should?

1650
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 3: Have asked barry is? That his name BARRY is The?

1651
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 2: Ceo of Roadblocks he should is?

1652
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 3: That, his name? No it is what? IS his name

1653
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 3: I Just saw barry?

1654
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 2: BLUCKLOCK or, something I.

1655
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 3: Think So barry does barry allow his Kids?

1656
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 4: To? Play roadblocks, Yes, he absolutely yes. He Absolutely, DOES

1657
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 4: dave bazuki.

1658
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 3: I DON'T know Where I. HEARD barry zuki, i don't, know.

1659
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 2: But yes.

1660
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 4: He absolutely does and He also, likened. He's like, listen

1661
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:10,759
Speaker 4: as parents we are. The ultimate arbiters and some people

1662
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 4: think it's safe to let their kids go to the park.

1663
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 4: And others don't and it's not for me. To say which.

1664
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 2: It's like everybody the person who created the, iPad is,

1665
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 2: like no iPad the person who created, anything, that's like,

1666
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 2: oh social media but my kids. Don't Have. It there's

1667
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 2: instagram my kids are Not on it facebook not. On the,

1668
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 2: menu you know it's like the genies a little out

1669
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 2: of the bottle and now we're left with the sandwich

1670
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 2: and it's.

1671
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 3: A real bummer and.

1672
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 2: What's the answer we just have to go back in

1673
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 2: time and say anything that requires chatting with anybody outside

1674
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 2: OF people that i approve you're not. Allowed to do But.

1675
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 3: Then add snapchat.

1676
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 2: It's like dissolvable like they've already beaten the system before

1677
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:55,639
Speaker 2: we can.

1678
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:56,799
Speaker 3: Even, correct it.

1679
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 5: Well and they're already adding things like users that you

1680
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 5: can mark a user as. A trusted connection SO like

1681
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 5: if i wanted to play with my niece who's, you know,

1682
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 5: ten oh SEE they would i would be marked as

1683
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 5: a TRUSTED connection and i would be able to play.

1684
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 5: With my niece but, who's to, SAY you know. I,

1685
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 5: just don't yeah just make me a trusted connection on

1686
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 5: rollblocks and we can, we can chat YOU know?

1687
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 2: What I mean like i just totally and, by the

1688
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 2: way not to go full circle on, this entire night

1689
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 2: but we, started the, show you know early on Talking,

1690
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 2: about slender man, and you know she was, twelve years

1691
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 2: old so it's not to say that you can't get

1692
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 2: a twelve year old that's still a complete weirdo and

1693
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 2: has a lot going on, behind the. Scene you know

1694
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 2: so now We're, talking about, Morgan, you know geyser, and

1695
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 2: you know some, people have stuff and this my heart

1696
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 2: goes out to her. And her family even her, mother

1697
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 2: has said like this, was you know. She's, got stuff yeah,

1698
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 2: and that happens and, there's no like this is, not

1699
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 2: shame passion but it is not. An open door so

1700
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 2: you wouldn't let your kid just room aimlessly. In the

1701
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:09,679
Speaker 2: mall yet the malls claim that the doors are locked.

1702
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 2: And everything, SAFE so like. I don't, know, IT'S tough

1703
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 2: man i don't KNOW the ANSWERS i.

1704
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 6: Wish i did and, to your POINT even, the I

1705
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 6: think if, i'm not mistaken the seven six four network

1706
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 6: was originated by a teenager.

1707
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 2: Probably exactly was.

1708
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 4: It absolutely was so it was originated by a teenager

1709
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 4: who ended up Getting eighty years is that That Bridle

1710
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 4: guy Bradley. Chance caden head he was A. Teenager from

1711
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 4: texas his zip code prefix is seven six eight four,

1712
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 4: seven six, four excuse me and that inspired the name

1713
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:46,640
Speaker 4: AND he his mL was coursing minors, into sexual exploitation

1714
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 4: into animal abuse and acts.

1715
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 3: Of self harm and.

1716
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 6: This is what, it has been so even someone in your,

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01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 6: own age.

1718
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 2: Bracket.

1719
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 6: THAT'S right verified.

1720
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 5: I found out about seven six four is that there

1721
01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 5: was a Little Girl. IN san francisco i think it

1722
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 5: was is that the one of the people and that

1723
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 5: was talking to her that was, like extorting her wanted

1724
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 5: her to. Kill HER cat and I got contacted i

1725
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 5: think by a news organization or.

1726
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 2: Something about it this. Was a, wow. That's tough man.

1727
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 2: I'M so sorry i feel like we're ending on a.

1728
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 2: Very dark note yeah about.

1729
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 6: Something in the ready for us?

1730
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 3: To, Laugh Able Okay, Rue.

1731
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 10: Crime tonight friends everybody.

1732
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 2: AND the crew i.

1733
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 11: Love you guys this is actually from being a listener.

1734
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 10: From the beginning this isn't necessarily, true CRIME related but

1735
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 10: i just wanted to let you KNOW how much I

1736
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:46,520
Speaker 10: Love when taylor swift gets a shout out, on your show.

1737
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 11: And you guys do bring her up, quite A bit

1738
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 11: so i think you might. BE spiky too i was

1739
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 11: listening to the episode where you were talking about how

1740
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 11: great Her Songs with, bonnie bear is and you love

1741
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 11: that song and you should Also listen To taylor song

1742
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 11: Evermore with BONY bear that i would say it might

1743
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 11: be Even. Better than exile when you guys give a

1744
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,759
Speaker 11: little tailor SWIFT shadow and i just. Love the show.

1745
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:13,679
Speaker 7: Listen every.

1746
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 8: Day thanks guys oh love you.

1747
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 3: IS so good i have had that new. SONG of

1748
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 3: hers i have it in my head all the time

1749
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:24,839
Speaker 3: to keep it one hundred.

1750
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 2: On the limb.

1751
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 9: Are you?

1752
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 3: Doing, the dance. Yes the dance i'm.

1753
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 2: Doing.

1754
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 5: THE dance yeah i watch every single TikTok of that

1755
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 5: dance that comes up On.

1756
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 6: MY every.

1757
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 3: Honestly i know, the Dance too and. I'm into it

1758
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 3: i'm on board. Know the, song oh yeah you. Do

1759
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,759
Speaker 3: trust Me the of ophelia. IS that this i cannot

1760
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 3: get it out. Of my head and why do we?

1761
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 3: All know it? Like it is. She is captivating it

1762
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 3: scratches my brain in all. The right ways and the.

1763
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,639
Speaker 3: Video is good there are. So many tutorials good.

1764
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 2: Luck escaping it and, by the way it's actually an

1765
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 2: easy dance to.

1766
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 3: LEARN it is i can even DO it and.

1767
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 2: I love it I love it and ever was such.

1768
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 2: A good call that.

1769
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 3: Was very.

1770
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 6: Hearts but question? About that Name? Is it bonnieville don't

1771
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 6: give me different ways.

1772
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 3: In, the, top yes sure someone else called in about

1773
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 3: this wondering. About the pronunciation i'm pretty sure. It's bony

1774
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:32,840
Speaker 3: ver my high school hipster credit is on the. Line with, That.

1775
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:36,839
Speaker 6: For, You i'm right.

1776
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 3: I'm Pretty guaranteeing.

1777
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 2: You i'm wrong so, in that regard do not listen

1778
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 2: to me. On, that one.

1779
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 6: Well we'll figure.

1780
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 2: THAT one out, i, LOVE you guys i know that was,

1781
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 2: A good way and thank.

1782
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:51,639
Speaker 3: You, so, much.

1783
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 2: Listen, guys dark night. But important stuff so thank you

1784
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 2: for letting us. Unpack with you and here's To an

1785
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 2: awesome tuesday tomorrow, because guess what there's gonna be a

1786
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 2: lot to. Unpack Then too the epstein stuff is unfolding.

1787
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 2: True crime tonight, We love, You stay safe we'll.

1788
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 6: See.

1789
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 2: You tomorrow bye