Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is my trusted colleague,
Speaker 1: Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from our studios
Speaker 1: at lambeau Field, and we know there is news out
Speaker 1: there about the Packers new defensive coordinator, but because Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy and the Packers organization has not made the higher
Speaker 1: official yet, we will wait until that happens before we
Speaker 1: discussed the particulars. So we're going to continue on this
Speaker 1: show today with our discussion of new GM Brian good
Speaker 1: A Kunst and Um West. It's an interesting situation in
Speaker 1: that he's the new GM of the Packers. He's replacing
Speaker 1: the guy who is his mentor really in Ted Thompson.
Speaker 1: And Ted Thompson is remaining on the Packers staff in
Speaker 1: a senior advisory role. In fact, has been out scouting
Speaker 1: this week for a based on some pictures that we've seen.
Speaker 1: Uh forever a scout for sure, but uh, but a
Speaker 1: really neat situation really for for good A Kunst and
Speaker 1: uh and to to get things started and and have
Speaker 1: somebody that that he learned so much from, you know,
Speaker 1: still right there anytime he needs him. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was funny too. He mentioned on Monday when he was
Speaker 1: talking with some of the reporters in the side session
Speaker 1: that before, you know, he talked with Ted throughout this
Speaker 1: process every day, he said, he talked to him during
Speaker 1: the interview process and before he went up to the
Speaker 1: podium to be introduced in front of his family in
Speaker 1: front of the media. Uh. Ted actually gave him a
Speaker 1: little bit of advice, saying, make sure you smile, because
Speaker 1: you know, that's one thing if I could go back
Speaker 1: to two thousand five, I wish I would have smiled more.
Speaker 1: And into Ted's credit, he has a great deadpen sense
Speaker 1: of humor. If you do go back to look at
Speaker 1: that photo gallery of two thousand five, Ted didn't smile
Speaker 1: a little, So I think there was some self awareness.
Speaker 1: They're involved. But as you said, I think this is
Speaker 1: such a unique opportunity for good uns because Ted is
Speaker 1: a scout first and foremost. We've heard this for years.
Speaker 1: I think he'd been telling media that's going back to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, uh, in the aftermath of that, that
Speaker 1: once he's done as GM, he'd like to be an
Speaker 1: area scout. He'd like to be you know, just be
Speaker 1: able to travel a little bit, continue doing what he
Speaker 1: loves and this new arrangement allows him to do that.
Speaker 1: And from Gouda Kun's perspective, yes, he was hired during
Speaker 1: the Ron wolf era, had two great years with wolf Um,
Speaker 1: and then spend some time obviously when Mike Sherman was
Speaker 1: the GM here in his personnel department, but a bulk
Speaker 1: of his nineteen years at the Packers organization was spent
Speaker 1: with Ted Thompson, and he talked a lot about being
Speaker 1: able to learn from him both not only just with
Speaker 1: the transactions and that's nature, but just what it's like
Speaker 1: and what you have to do to be a successful GM.
Speaker 1: Sitting in that chair, Yeah, and as we all know,
Speaker 1: every GM is going to have that moment, that decision
Speaker 1: they have to make that maybe they don't even know
Speaker 1: it at the time, sometimes they do, but it will
Speaker 1: be a decision that comes to define their tenure as
Speaker 1: a general manager. And we all know with Ted Thompson
Speaker 1: it was what he went through in two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight making that transition from Brett Farve All of Fame
Speaker 1: quarterback to Aaron Rodgers, who we now know is a
Speaker 1: future Hall of Fame quarterback. Ted Thompson, you know, believed
Speaker 1: that was the right move, even though it was highly
Speaker 1: unpopular with many fans. He stuck to his guns, so
Speaker 1: to speak. So did Mike McCarthy. They did this together.
Speaker 1: And at the time, even though Gudaknst was a scout
Speaker 1: really mostly out on the road, uh, you know, not
Speaker 1: necessarily in the building full time, which uh he started
Speaker 1: um in that type of position a handful of years
Speaker 1: ago in more of the director roles where he's not
Speaker 1: out on the road as much. But at that time
Speaker 1: he was an area scout, but he was watching very
Speaker 1: closely how Ted Thompson navigated that situation and and he
Speaker 1: had some words about that as well. Then, I think
Speaker 1: is what taught him the most about what it means
Speaker 1: to be a GM. You can draft, you can scout,
Speaker 1: you can feel like you know everything that's going on
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but there's always that that move where
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to push all in it seems like,
Speaker 1: and really risk it all. Ted Thompson did that, and
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Ted Thompson did that with
Speaker 1: a lot of class, uh, and and the fact that
Speaker 1: he was trying to do the right thing and as
Speaker 1: good An said, there were so many times, you know,
Speaker 1: sitting down and talking with him, Ted reiterated over and
Speaker 1: over again, I'm just trying to do the right thing
Speaker 1: in an in enviable position for him to be in, because,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, Mike, with the way that the NFL structured,
Speaker 1: a lot of guys don't get to go out on
Speaker 1: their own terms. Injuries happen, different scenarios play out in
Speaker 1: far situation was so unique categorically, you know, almost an
Speaker 1: anomaly in that, you know, for a number of years
Speaker 1: he talked about retirement, he hinted that retirement, and then
Speaker 1: this end up being a guy that played until he
Speaker 1: was forty. Ted Thompson when he got here in two
Speaker 1: thousand five, You've heard all the things is out there
Speaker 1: about you know, that draft and that Aaron Rodgers was
Speaker 1: the only guy left with the first round grade that year.
Speaker 1: He trusted his eyes to take him even when that
Speaker 1: might not have been the guy that was going to
Speaker 1: help them the most right away, and then to stand
Speaker 1: by him in two thousand and eight. I always kind
Speaker 1: of go back to that, you know, you have to
Speaker 1: have a touch of madness, like the old mad hatter reference,
Speaker 1: and that you have to be willing to wager at
Speaker 1: all ron Wolf did it. Imagine in two thousand and eighteen,
Speaker 1: if ron Wolf would have traded a first round pick
Speaker 1: for Brett Farve after he had two picks and was
Speaker 1: a second rounder a year before, you know, and had
Speaker 1: been nothing but a backup, hadn't basically hadn't played at
Speaker 1: all exactly, And you have to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: In seeing the way that Thompson handled that situation, I
Speaker 1: think is what talkod it comes to a lot. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely with that, we're gonna toss it to a break
Speaker 1: back with moreen Packers unscripted right after this, Welcome Back
Speaker 1: to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair, Wes Hodkowits
Speaker 1: in that one and West. It's worth mentioning here when
Speaker 1: we talk about the history and where some of these
Speaker 1: guys come from as they as they make their way along.
Speaker 1: Um Brian good Kunts now is the sixth general manager
Speaker 1: from the ron Wolf Tree. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: do you call it branches or limbs, or or however
Speaker 1: you look, however you characterize it, but six guys, half
Speaker 1: a dozen from from that that that ron Wolf Tree
Speaker 1: that's impressive. It's remarkable, it really is. And the fact
Speaker 1: that you and I before we started this segment, we're
Speaker 1: just trying to name all the people, make sure we
Speaker 1: don't forget anybody off the top of our heads is
Speaker 1: really tell you everything. Tells you everything you need to
Speaker 1: know about Wolf and Good counts even said, I mean
Speaker 1: the way that they break down players still to this day,
Speaker 1: the way they scout college players is still rooted in
Speaker 1: the principles of Ron Wolf. And I think the thing
Speaker 1: that's interesting about Good at cons is he's sort of
Speaker 1: a product of all of the guys, all six of
Speaker 1: those guys that have become gms. You go back. He
Speaker 1: was looking to become a coach was his original thought process.
Speaker 1: And I think he said he was working it was
Speaker 1: like a country club he was working at. It was
Speaker 1: eleven PM. There was a wedding reception going on. John
Speaker 1: Dorsey from the Green Bay Packers calls him and basically
Speaker 1: ask can you be here in a week to be
Speaker 1: a scouting intern for us? Because what happened? As he
Speaker 1: tells the story, it's his assertion that Dorsey actually wanted
Speaker 1: a different one of his lacrosse teammates, but that guy
Speaker 1: had just gone another way in his life and that
Speaker 1: he was the backup, and that Dorsey and Reggie mackenzie,
Speaker 1: who went on to become the GM of the Raiders,
Speaker 1: were actually trying to basically was like this little bit
Speaker 1: of a rat race for these guys in the personnel
Speaker 1: department of Wolf to find scouts, to find you know,
Speaker 1: developmental prospects because Ron Wolf was worried after the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl that they were going to be losing guys scouts
Speaker 1: scouting scout scouts, scouting scouts, so, you know, he spends
Speaker 1: the year as an intern. Then John Snyder, who ended
Speaker 1: up being a packer's personal executive for a number of years,
Speaker 1: also another disciple from Wolf. He's in Kansas City, takes
Speaker 1: Good Coon's with into Kansas City. After a year there,
Speaker 1: he comes back as a full time college scout under Wolf.
Speaker 1: You know, and he mentioned I think we talked about
Speaker 1: this in yesterday's show. You know, Scott mccluan, who ends
Speaker 1: up becoming the GM of the of Washington, he ends
Speaker 1: up having a really tight relationship with him. When guys
Speaker 1: were scared to go to Wolf with a question or something,
Speaker 1: they went to mcclewan worked under Dorsey worked with Mackenzie.
Speaker 1: All these different guys have had an impact on obviously goods,
Speaker 1: with the first one probably the one that had the
Speaker 1: biggest one being Ted Thompson. So it's very interesting to
Speaker 1: see his path and when you're in an organization for
Speaker 1: twenty years now, um, all the different people that you've
Speaker 1: interacted with along the way. Yeah, and you see the
Speaker 1: you see the contacts, the way the tree continues to
Speaker 1: branch out and grow, and we saw it with the
Speaker 1: recent introduction of Jon Gruden as the as the head
Speaker 1: coach again. I was gonna say new head coach, but
Speaker 1: he's sort of the head coach again with the Oakland
Speaker 1: soon to be Las Vegas Raiders and Reggie Mackenzie is
Speaker 1: the general manager there. And you know, Jon Gruden was
Speaker 1: a an assistant coach, riding a bicycle to work in
Speaker 1: Green Bay in I think even in the wintertime. He
Speaker 1: talked about bringing his bringing his bike to lambeau Field
Speaker 1: to get to work, and you know it all so
Speaker 1: much of this traces traces back to Ron wolf and
Speaker 1: and Ron Wolfe obviously has roots with the Raiders as well.
Speaker 1: There's history there, so um, really it's hard to get
Speaker 1: your brain around it completely. But you just have to
Speaker 1: sit back and respect and appreciate how much influence over
Speaker 1: the NFL as a whole that a guy like Ron Wolf,
Speaker 1: who deservedly now is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: how much influence he has had. Yeah, And it's one
Speaker 1: thing to be in the Pro Football of Fame. It
Speaker 1: was probably another thing for him to be the first
Speaker 1: among those Cat contributors to make it in underneath that
Speaker 1: r the new category. He not only has a substantial
Speaker 1: footprint in the NFL, it's a footprint that's incredibly deep
Speaker 1: as well. And I thought that said a lot. Gruden
Speaker 1: gets introduced on Tuesday as the new head coach of
Speaker 1: the Raiders, Mackenzie sitting next to him, and Ruden even
Speaker 1: made the comment about, you know, we're just a couple.
Speaker 1: You know, we were just a couple of young Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers way back when coming up in that system,
Speaker 1: learning from Mike Holmgren, learning from Ron Wolf. And to
Speaker 1: see the impact that that has now today. Sean Harrock,
Speaker 1: who was a personal executive for the Packers a number
Speaker 1: of years, he's with Mackenzie, certainly, Alonzo Highsmith, Elliot Wolf.
Speaker 1: It's not even just the gms. It's the guys that
Speaker 1: are running personnel departments, the guys that are high ranking
Speaker 1: executives in the league that all come from his path.
Speaker 1: And another thing too, Mike, these gms they've had success.
Speaker 1: Mackenzie took the Raiders from a bottom dweller, from a
Speaker 1: laughing stock, from being in cap jail to making them
Speaker 1: a contender, a twelve win team a year ago that's
Speaker 1: now looking to try to continue that, you know, consistency.
Speaker 1: Dorsey revamps Kansas City now, he completely rebuilt him, you know,
Speaker 1: much like Mackenzie and Oakland rebuilt a roster and got
Speaker 1: them back to the playoffs much sooner than anybody thought
Speaker 1: could happen exactly. And then John Schneider, I think the
Speaker 1: job he's done in Seattle, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: most heralded gms in the league right now. The guy
Speaker 1: had he went to Seattle, had some phenomenal drafts those
Speaker 1: first three or four years that set them up for
Speaker 1: this this run they've been on all of that. Everybody
Speaker 1: has their own philosophy. I'm not going to say they're
Speaker 1: all just carbon copies of each other, but all of
Speaker 1: them going back to the things that they learned from
Speaker 1: Ron Wolf. I think that was the number one thing
Speaker 1: I took away from this whole process the last week
Speaker 1: is seeing what his impact has been on the entire
Speaker 1: National Football League. In the Green Bay Packers, Mark Murphy
Speaker 1: appreciating that and understanding that having someone steeped in those
Speaker 1: principles like Brian Goodkus was the right way for this
Speaker 1: organization to go. Yeah, when you look at where it
Speaker 1: all started with Ron Wolf with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
Speaker 1: I believe in night teen seventy six, I think that
Speaker 1: was the season that sprouted the great John McKay quote
Speaker 1: as a head coach, and he was asked after one
Speaker 1: of the Buccaneers losses, what did you think of your
Speaker 1: team's execution to day? And his answer was, I'd be
Speaker 1: in favor of it, um. But that's that's the team
Speaker 1: that Ron will start with. And he's always been very
Speaker 1: self deprecating about the fact that, especially when he was
Speaker 1: going into the Hall of Fame, that he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I didn't win everywhere I went. You know, you take
Speaker 1: some lumps along the way in this business. But the
Speaker 1: one thing about Ron Wolf, and I think you see
Speaker 1: it in every one of these other gms that have
Speaker 1: come along and perhaps future ones like Elliot Wolf and
Speaker 1: Alonso Highsmith who probably will get there someday as well.
Speaker 1: They have the courage of their convictions. Because Ron Wolf
Speaker 1: had the courage to pull the trigger on the Brett
Speaker 1: Farve trade that completely changed a franchise around. And these
Speaker 1: guys that have that have learned under him, grown up
Speaker 1: under him and under Ted Thompson, they have the courage
Speaker 1: of their convictions as well. You cannot waiver, you cannot waffle.
Speaker 1: You have to have confidence in your ability. And also
Speaker 1: I'll point out to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers gave up
Speaker 1: on Ron Wolf a little too early. While they did
Speaker 1: not win while he was there, he set them up
Speaker 1: for making a run the year after he left, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that says a lot about the team
Speaker 1: that he built right the late seventies, they reached the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship Game, a team that nobody thought. Nobody gave
Speaker 1: a lot of chance to do that part of it,
Speaker 1: and it's certainly something I think that adds to his legacy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no question about it. With that, we'll toss it to
Speaker 1: a breakback with more on Packerds unscripted right after this
Speaker 1: welcome back to Packers unscripted. Mike Spofford here, Wes Hodkowitz
Speaker 1: over there, and we's a little bit of news with
Speaker 1: regards to the Pro Bowl because Packers defensive tackle Mike
Speaker 1: Daniels has been named to the Pro Bowl team. We
Speaker 1: kind of knew this was going to happen. He was
Speaker 1: a first alternate. All it takes is one guy to
Speaker 1: step aside. In this case, it was Los Angeles Rams
Speaker 1: defensive lineman Aaron Donald, who, following the Rams loss to
Speaker 1: the Falcons, has backed out of the Pro Bowl due
Speaker 1: to an injury. What I'll say about this is it's
Speaker 1: overdue for Mike Daniels. But this is how the Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl works. It was overdue for Josh Sitton when he
Speaker 1: finally got there. Excuse me. It was overdue for t J. Lang.
Speaker 1: It was overdue for David bak tr This is just
Speaker 1: kind of how it goes. Hats off to Mike Daniels.
Speaker 1: He's earned it and I hope he has a good
Speaker 1: time at the at all the festivities. Yeah, and here's
Speaker 1: the thing that's interesting about this whole process. It was
Speaker 1: a third consecutive year he was an alternate. This is
Speaker 1: the first year he was a first alternate, which, as
Speaker 1: you said, pretty much puts you on the doorstep because
Speaker 1: between injuries and teams going to the Super Bowl, there's
Speaker 1: a better than average chance, especially at that position, a
Speaker 1: contact position, that you're gonna end up being able to go.
Speaker 1: Definitely didn't take it for granted though, Um you know,
Speaker 1: I know he was disappointed not to be voted in
Speaker 1: on Pond first balloting, But I thought it's said a
Speaker 1: lot about the fact that the league is starting to
Speaker 1: catch on a little bit more about what he's all about. Um,
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald's has just an amazing physical specimen, and for
Speaker 1: him to have the success he's had at that position,
Speaker 1: I think says a lot about him. Not gonna mince words,
Speaker 1: I think if he can play for another ten years,
Speaker 1: he's a Pro Football Hall of Famer. He's on that
Speaker 1: trajectory right now. But for a lot of defensive tackles,
Speaker 1: it's tough to get those kind of accolades because the
Speaker 1: sack numbers aren't always there. You don't always get the
Speaker 1: fanciest statistics. It's just it's just not something that routinely happens.
Speaker 1: But the fact that Daniels, now I think we were
Speaker 1: talking about this at the end of the season is
Speaker 1: I want to say it's three and a half sack
Speaker 1: shy of what is the franchise record for sacks by
Speaker 1: a nose tackle, which I believe is held by Colin Jenkins.
Speaker 1: I think Daniels is at twenty six. Colin Jenkins was
Speaker 1: twenty nine point five. The fact that he's that close
Speaker 1: to that now, um, I think says a lot about him.
Speaker 1: His consistency. He's had at least four sacks basically every
Speaker 1: year since two thousand thirteen. I think he said another
Speaker 1: record for himself as far as tackles. Incredibly consistent, well
Speaker 1: rounded football player, and now is finally getting a chance
Speaker 1: to go show himself on the you know, Pro Bowl level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you wonder if he might have actually gotten in
Speaker 1: gotten to the Pro Bowl through the initial process if
Speaker 1: it hadn't been for that injury in Week two against Atlanta,
Speaker 1: because he started the season like gangbusters. Against Seattle that
Speaker 1: game here at Lambeufield in Week one, he was dominant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would agree, he was absolutely dominant against Seattle's offensive line.
Speaker 1: Whoever they used to try to block him, it didn't matter.
Speaker 1: And that game was nationally televised or you know, the
Speaker 1: late afternoon. You know, most of the country watched that game.
Speaker 1: But then the following week he gets injured. Um, he
Speaker 1: and he did come back fairly quickly from the injury,
Speaker 1: but you know, a guy is not necessarily going to
Speaker 1: be a hundred percent. It's still going to take a
Speaker 1: little while. And then we really didn't see the full
Speaker 1: scope of that Mike Daniels Kenny Clark tandem in the
Speaker 1: middle of the Packers defensive line until the stretch run
Speaker 1: late in the year when all the attention obviously was
Speaker 1: on Aaron Rodgers coming back and are the Packers going
Speaker 1: to hang in the playoff race and all of that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So some circumstances they're unfortunately you know,
Speaker 1: led him being an alternate, but certainly glad that that
Speaker 1: he's going to get the opportunity. And you know, a
Speaker 1: guy like Daniels, you know, he's gonna go down there
Speaker 1: and have some fun. He's gonna you know, he's gonna
Speaker 1: chat it up with all the other guys down there
Speaker 1: and and take it all in. I'm sure he's going
Speaker 1: to make the most of it. I'm just really interesting.
Speaker 1: You don't they always say that thing about like people
Speaker 1: playing at half speed in the Pro Bowl. I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: I have to imagine he's going to tick some people off.
Speaker 1: I can't see playing at half speed and somebody whoever
Speaker 1: that coach style. I don't know who that coaching staff
Speaker 1: is yet. I don't know if they've if they've we've
Speaker 1: gotten that far but in the process, but they're probably
Speaker 1: gonna have to remind Daniels that you can't hit the
Speaker 1: quarterback in the Pro Bowl. So I think that's one
Speaker 1: thing to kind of keep an eye on, but certainly
Speaker 1: a good honor for him and an opportunity to not
Speaker 1: only have to go to this Pro Bowl, but this
Speaker 1: is what sets you up now if you can keep
Speaker 1: playing at a high level to get voted on first balloting.
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Speaker 1: with more on Packers Unscripted right after this Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Packers Unscripted Mike Spofford alongside Wes Hodkowitz and West.
Speaker 1: Before we go, I want to get back to where
Speaker 1: we ended yesterday's show, and that's with regards to that
Speaker 1: Saints Panthers wild card game. I know I asked you
Speaker 1: about the intentional grounding call at the end there on
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, but really the end of that game had
Speaker 1: so much going on you. I mean, the Panthers are
Speaker 1: down twelve. They get the big play to Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 1: for a touchdown, so they get within five, and then
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints have fourth and two at midfield.
Speaker 1: The Panthers have no time outslift they decided to go
Speaker 1: for it. They don't get it, but then the Panthers
Speaker 1: in the secondary, Mike Adams, I believe it is intercepts
Speaker 1: the ball instead of just knocking it down. He costs
Speaker 1: his team twenty yards of field position, so they have
Speaker 1: it at the thirty instead of at the fifty. And
Speaker 1: then the intentional grounding call when they get inside. I
Speaker 1: think to the twenty five yard liner. So the intentional
Speaker 1: grounding call completely ruins Carolina's chance at at the game
Speaker 1: winning drive. Really an amazing finish too to the game.
Speaker 1: I don't know where you want to start with all that,
Speaker 1: but I'm just curious your thoughts on how that thing
Speaker 1: wrapped up, you know. And it's so weird to me
Speaker 1: because it's like, I'm not an NFL player. I obviously
Speaker 1: have not really been athletic enough to even make a
Speaker 1: high school football team. But the atoms, So is it
Speaker 1: just can you just not get yourself to not catch
Speaker 1: that ball? Yeah, I don't know, Like it's just it's
Speaker 1: just a mental it's just a mental thing where you're
Speaker 1: you're as a safety, you're just you're always naturally trying
Speaker 1: to intercept the ball and and you just you just
Speaker 1: don't think about the fact that it's fourth down and
Speaker 1: it's not the regular season. So like, okay, I get that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like you want to pad your stats out
Speaker 1: a little bit. I respect that nobody cares what the
Speaker 1: stats are in the postseason. I mean, we'll bring him
Speaker 1: up every once in a while, but nobody could tell
Speaker 1: you how many interceptions of Packers have had in the
Speaker 1: postseason since two thousand ten or anything like that. So
Speaker 1: it was a very odd play, and I thought, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I thought that zapped a lot
Speaker 1: of momentum from Carolina in what could have been a
Speaker 1: really big momentum turning play for the Saints to get
Speaker 1: that aggressive and then to have to basically have it
Speaker 1: blow up in their face and then the Panthers sort
Speaker 1: of give it back to him a little bit, almost
Speaker 1: like a botch punt in a way. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: just stunned. I was stunned that Sean Payton decided to
Speaker 1: go for it on fourth and two. There the Panthers
Speaker 1: have no time outs. You can put them back presumably
Speaker 1: to the ten yard line. Maybe even better, they need
Speaker 1: a touchdown, they have to go the length of the field.
Speaker 1: This is the same head coach who started a second
Speaker 1: half of a Super Bowl with an onside kick, So
Speaker 1: I get that he's as aggressive and perhaps maybe as
Speaker 1: unorthodox in some of those decisions as they come. But boy,
Speaker 1: oh boy, the book says point nine percent of the
Speaker 1: time you punt the football there and trust your defense
Speaker 1: is the best defense the Saints have had for however long,
Speaker 1: And he acted like he didn't trust him. I I
Speaker 1: just I didn't understand that it was weird. It was
Speaker 1: a weird game. And then obviously you saw the follow
Speaker 1: out for the Panthers here with all the reports of
Speaker 1: you know, Shula being out and the changes that they're
Speaker 1: making with the offensive coaching staff. Um, it was I
Speaker 1: think it was a really it's a game or both
Speaker 1: teams sort of turned a corner. I think, you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers have made a big commitment to Ron
Speaker 1: Rivera now for another two years, but he's trying to
Speaker 1: reorganize his staff. The Saints, I think it's a really
Speaker 1: good learning experience for them because they do need to
Speaker 1: learn how to trust that defense. Uh, this is a
Speaker 1: game against the Minnesota Vikings. You can't take for granted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that Saints Vikings game coming up this weekend will be
Speaker 1: a big one, and we'll we'll talk as the week
Speaker 1: wraps up looking ahead to some of those divisional around games.
Speaker 1: But with that, we'll call it a wrap on this
Speaker 1: edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of
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Speaker 1: He's at west Hod, I'm at Mike Spofford at Packers
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