1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is my trusted colleague, 3 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from our studios 4 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field, and we know there is news out 5 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: there about the Packers new defensive coordinator, but because Mike 6 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: McCarthy and the Packers organization has not made the higher 7 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: official yet, we will wait until that happens before we 8 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: discussed the particulars. So we're going to continue on this 9 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: show today with our discussion of new GM Brian good 10 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: A Kunst and Um West. It's an interesting situation in 11 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: that he's the new GM of the Packers. He's replacing 12 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: the guy who is his mentor really in Ted Thompson. 13 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: And Ted Thompson is remaining on the Packers staff in 14 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: a senior advisory role. In fact, has been out scouting 15 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: this week for a based on some pictures that we've seen. 16 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: Uh forever a scout for sure, but uh, but a 17 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: really neat situation really for for good A Kunst and 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: uh and to to get things started and and have 19 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: somebody that that he learned so much from, you know, 20 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: still right there anytime he needs him. Yeah, and it 21 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: was funny too. He mentioned on Monday when he was 22 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: talking with some of the reporters in the side session 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: that before, you know, he talked with Ted throughout this 24 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: process every day, he said, he talked to him during 25 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: the interview process and before he went up to the 26 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: podium to be introduced in front of his family in 27 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: front of the media. Uh. Ted actually gave him a 28 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: little bit of advice, saying, make sure you smile, because 29 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, that's one thing if I could go back 30 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: to two thousand five, I wish I would have smiled more. 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: And into Ted's credit, he has a great deadpen sense 32 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: of humor. If you do go back to look at 33 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: that photo gallery of two thousand five, Ted didn't smile 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: a little, So I think there was some self awareness. 35 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: They're involved. But as you said, I think this is 36 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: such a unique opportunity for good uns because Ted is 37 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: a scout first and foremost. We've heard this for years. 38 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: I think he'd been telling media that's going back to 39 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, uh, in the aftermath of that, that 40 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: once he's done as GM, he'd like to be an 41 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: area scout. He'd like to be you know, just be 42 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: able to travel a little bit, continue doing what he 43 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: loves and this new arrangement allows him to do that. 44 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: And from Gouda Kun's perspective, yes, he was hired during 45 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: the Ron wolf era, had two great years with wolf Um, 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: and then spend some time obviously when Mike Sherman was 47 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: the GM here in his personnel department, but a bulk 48 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: of his nineteen years at the Packers organization was spent 49 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: with Ted Thompson, and he talked a lot about being 50 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: able to learn from him both not only just with 51 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: the transactions and that's nature, but just what it's like 52 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: and what you have to do to be a successful GM. 53 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: Sitting in that chair, Yeah, and as we all know, 54 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: every GM is going to have that moment, that decision 55 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: they have to make that maybe they don't even know 56 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: it at the time, sometimes they do, but it will 57 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: be a decision that comes to define their tenure as 58 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: a general manager. And we all know with Ted Thompson 59 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: it was what he went through in two thousand and 60 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 1: eight making that transition from Brett Farve All of Fame 61 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: quarterback to Aaron Rodgers, who we now know is a 62 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: future Hall of Fame quarterback. Ted Thompson, you know, believed 63 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: that was the right move, even though it was highly 64 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: unpopular with many fans. He stuck to his guns, so 65 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: to speak. So did Mike McCarthy. They did this together. 66 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: And at the time, even though Gudaknst was a scout 67 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: really mostly out on the road, uh, you know, not 68 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: necessarily in the building full time, which uh he started 69 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: um in that type of position a handful of years 70 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: ago in more of the director roles where he's not 71 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: out on the road as much. But at that time 72 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: he was an area scout, but he was watching very 73 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: closely how Ted Thompson navigated that situation and and he 74 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: had some words about that as well. Then, I think 75 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: is what taught him the most about what it means 76 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: to be a GM. You can draft, you can scout, 77 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: you can feel like you know everything that's going on 78 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: in the NFL, but there's always that that move where 79 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to push all in it seems like, 80 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: and really risk it all. Ted Thompson did that, and 81 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Ted Thompson did that with 82 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: a lot of class, uh, and and the fact that 83 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: he was trying to do the right thing and as 84 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: good An said, there were so many times, you know, 85 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: sitting down and talking with him, Ted reiterated over and 86 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: over again, I'm just trying to do the right thing 87 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: in an in enviable position for him to be in, because, 88 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: let's be honest, Mike, with the way that the NFL structured, 89 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: a lot of guys don't get to go out on 90 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: their own terms. Injuries happen, different scenarios play out in 91 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: far situation was so unique categorically, you know, almost an 92 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: anomaly in that, you know, for a number of years 93 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: he talked about retirement, he hinted that retirement, and then 94 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: this end up being a guy that played until he 95 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: was forty. Ted Thompson when he got here in two 96 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: thousand five, You've heard all the things is out there 97 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: about you know, that draft and that Aaron Rodgers was 98 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: the only guy left with the first round grade that year. 99 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: He trusted his eyes to take him even when that 100 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: might not have been the guy that was going to 101 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: help them the most right away, and then to stand 102 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: by him in two thousand and eight. I always kind 103 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: of go back to that, you know, you have to 104 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: have a touch of madness, like the old mad hatter reference, 105 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: and that you have to be willing to wager at 106 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: all ron Wolf did it. Imagine in two thousand and eighteen, 107 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: if ron Wolf would have traded a first round pick 108 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: for Brett Farve after he had two picks and was 109 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: a second rounder a year before, you know, and had 110 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: been nothing but a backup, hadn't basically hadn't played at 111 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: all exactly, And you have to be able to do that. 112 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: In seeing the way that Thompson handled that situation, I 113 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: think is what talkod it comes to a lot. Yeah, yeah, 114 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: absolutely with that, we're gonna toss it to a break 115 00:05:45,680 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: back with moreen Packers unscripted right after this, Welcome Back 116 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair, Wes Hodkowits 117 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: in that one and West. It's worth mentioning here when 118 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: we talk about the history and where some of these 119 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: guys come from as they as they make their way along. 120 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: Um Brian good Kunts now is the sixth general manager 121 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: from the ron Wolf Tree. So I don't know if 122 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: do you call it branches or limbs, or or however 123 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: you look, however you characterize it, but six guys, half 124 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: a dozen from from that that that ron Wolf Tree 125 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: that's impressive. It's remarkable, it really is. And the fact 126 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: that you and I before we started this segment, we're 127 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: just trying to name all the people, make sure we 128 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: don't forget anybody off the top of our heads is 129 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: really tell you everything. Tells you everything you need to 130 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: know about Wolf and Good counts even said, I mean 131 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: the way that they break down players still to this day, 132 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: the way they scout college players is still rooted in 133 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: the principles of Ron Wolf. And I think the thing 134 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: that's interesting about Good at cons is he's sort of 135 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: a product of all of the guys, all six of 136 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: those guys that have become gms. You go back. He 137 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: was looking to become a coach was his original thought process. 138 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: And I think he said he was working it was 139 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: like a country club he was working at. It was 140 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: eleven PM. There was a wedding reception going on. John 141 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: Dorsey from the Green Bay Packers calls him and basically 142 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: ask can you be here in a week to be 143 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: a scouting intern for us? Because what happened? As he 144 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: tells the story, it's his assertion that Dorsey actually wanted 145 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: a different one of his lacrosse teammates, but that guy 146 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: had just gone another way in his life and that 147 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: he was the backup, and that Dorsey and Reggie mackenzie, 148 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 1: who went on to become the GM of the Raiders, 149 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: were actually trying to basically was like this little bit 150 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: of a rat race for these guys in the personnel 151 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: department of Wolf to find scouts, to find you know, 152 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: developmental prospects because Ron Wolf was worried after the Super 153 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: Bowl that they were going to be losing guys scouts 154 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: scouting scout scouts, scouting scouts, so, you know, he spends 155 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: the year as an intern. Then John Snyder, who ended 156 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: up being a packer's personal executive for a number of years, 157 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: also another disciple from Wolf. He's in Kansas City, takes 158 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: Good Coon's with into Kansas City. After a year there, 159 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: he comes back as a full time college scout under Wolf. 160 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: You know, and he mentioned I think we talked about 161 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: this in yesterday's show. You know, Scott mccluan, who ends 162 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: up becoming the GM of the of Washington, he ends 163 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 1: up having a really tight relationship with him. When guys 164 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: were scared to go to Wolf with a question or something, 165 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: they went to mcclewan worked under Dorsey worked with Mackenzie. 166 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: All these different guys have had an impact on obviously goods, 167 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: with the first one probably the one that had the 168 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: biggest one being Ted Thompson. So it's very interesting to 169 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: see his path and when you're in an organization for 170 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: twenty years now, um, all the different people that you've 171 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: interacted with along the way. Yeah, and you see the 172 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: you see the contacts, the way the tree continues to 173 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: branch out and grow, and we saw it with the 174 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: recent introduction of Jon Gruden as the as the head 175 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: coach again. I was gonna say new head coach, but 176 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: he's sort of the head coach again with the Oakland 177 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: soon to be Las Vegas Raiders and Reggie Mackenzie is 178 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: the general manager there. And you know, Jon Gruden was 179 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: a an assistant coach, riding a bicycle to work in 180 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: Green Bay in I think even in the wintertime. He 181 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: talked about bringing his bringing his bike to lambeau Field 182 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: to get to work, and you know it all so 183 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: much of this traces traces back to Ron wolf and 184 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: and Ron Wolfe obviously has roots with the Raiders as well. 185 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: There's history there, so um, really it's hard to get 186 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: your brain around it completely. But you just have to 187 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: sit back and respect and appreciate how much influence over 188 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: the NFL as a whole that a guy like Ron Wolf, 189 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: who deservedly now is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, 190 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: how much influence he has had. Yeah, And it's one 191 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: thing to be in the Pro Football of Fame. It 192 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: was probably another thing for him to be the first 193 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: among those Cat contributors to make it in underneath that 194 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: r the new category. He not only has a substantial 195 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: footprint in the NFL, it's a footprint that's incredibly deep 196 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: as well. And I thought that said a lot. Gruden 197 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: gets introduced on Tuesday as the new head coach of 198 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: the Raiders, Mackenzie sitting next to him, and Ruden even 199 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: made the comment about, you know, we're just a couple. 200 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: You know, we were just a couple of young Green 201 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: Bay Packers way back when coming up in that system, 202 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: learning from Mike Holmgren, learning from Ron Wolf. And to 203 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: see the impact that that has now today. Sean Harrock, 204 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: who was a personal executive for the Packers a number 205 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: of years, he's with Mackenzie, certainly, Alonzo Highsmith, Elliot Wolf. 206 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: It's not even just the gms. It's the guys that 207 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: are running personnel departments, the guys that are high ranking 208 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: executives in the league that all come from his path. 209 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: And another thing too, Mike, these gms they've had success. 210 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: Mackenzie took the Raiders from a bottom dweller, from a 211 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: laughing stock, from being in cap jail to making them 212 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: a contender, a twelve win team a year ago that's 213 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: now looking to try to continue that, you know, consistency. 214 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: Dorsey revamps Kansas City now, he completely rebuilt him, you know, 215 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: much like Mackenzie and Oakland rebuilt a roster and got 216 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: them back to the playoffs much sooner than anybody thought 217 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: could happen exactly. And then John Schneider, I think the 218 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: job he's done in Seattle, you know, one of the 219 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: most heralded gms in the league right now. The guy 220 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: had he went to Seattle, had some phenomenal drafts those 221 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: first three or four years that set them up for 222 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: this this run they've been on all of that. Everybody 223 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: has their own philosophy. I'm not going to say they're 224 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: all just carbon copies of each other, but all of 225 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: them going back to the things that they learned from 226 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: Ron Wolf. I think that was the number one thing 227 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: I took away from this whole process the last week 228 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: is seeing what his impact has been on the entire 229 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: National Football League. In the Green Bay Packers, Mark Murphy 230 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: appreciating that and understanding that having someone steeped in those 231 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: principles like Brian Goodkus was the right way for this 232 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: organization to go. Yeah, when you look at where it 233 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: all started with Ron Wolf with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 234 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: I believe in night teen seventy six, I think that 235 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: was the season that sprouted the great John McKay quote 236 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: as a head coach, and he was asked after one 237 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: of the Buccaneers losses, what did you think of your 238 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: team's execution to day? And his answer was, I'd be 239 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: in favor of it, um. But that's that's the team 240 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: that Ron will start with. And he's always been very 241 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: self deprecating about the fact that, especially when he was 242 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: going into the Hall of Fame, that he's like, hey, 243 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: I didn't win everywhere I went. You know, you take 244 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: some lumps along the way in this business. But the 245 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: one thing about Ron Wolf, and I think you see 246 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: it in every one of these other gms that have 247 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: come along and perhaps future ones like Elliot Wolf and 248 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: Alonso Highsmith who probably will get there someday as well. 249 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: They have the courage of their convictions. Because Ron Wolf 250 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: had the courage to pull the trigger on the Brett 251 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: Farve trade that completely changed a franchise around. And these 252 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: guys that have that have learned under him, grown up 253 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: under him and under Ted Thompson, they have the courage 254 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: of their convictions as well. You cannot waiver, you cannot waffle. 255 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: You have to have confidence in your ability. And also 256 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: I'll point out to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers gave up 257 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: on Ron Wolf a little too early. While they did 258 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: not win while he was there, he set them up 259 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: for making a run the year after he left, right, 260 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: And I think that says a lot about the team 261 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: that he built right the late seventies, they reached the 262 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: NFC Championship Game, a team that nobody thought. Nobody gave 263 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: a lot of chance to do that part of it, 264 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: and it's certainly something I think that adds to his legacy. Yeah, 265 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: no question about it. With that, we'll toss it to 266 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 1: a breakback with more on Packerds unscripted right after this 267 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: welcome back to Packers unscripted. Mike Spofford here, Wes Hodkowitz 268 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: over there, and we's a little bit of news with 269 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: regards to the Pro Bowl because Packers defensive tackle Mike 270 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: Daniels has been named to the Pro Bowl team. We 271 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: kind of knew this was going to happen. He was 272 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: a first alternate. All it takes is one guy to 273 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: step aside. In this case, it was Los Angeles Rams 274 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: defensive lineman Aaron Donald, who, following the Rams loss to 275 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: the Falcons, has backed out of the Pro Bowl due 276 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: to an injury. What I'll say about this is it's 277 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: overdue for Mike Daniels. But this is how the Pro 278 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: Bowl works. It was overdue for Josh Sitton when he 279 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: finally got there. Excuse me. It was overdue for t J. Lang. 280 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: It was overdue for David bak tr This is just 281 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: kind of how it goes. Hats off to Mike Daniels. 282 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: He's earned it and I hope he has a good 283 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: time at the at all the festivities. Yeah, and here's 284 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: the thing that's interesting about this whole process. It was 285 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: a third consecutive year he was an alternate. This is 286 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: the first year he was a first alternate, which, as 287 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: you said, pretty much puts you on the doorstep because 288 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: between injuries and teams going to the Super Bowl, there's 289 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: a better than average chance, especially at that position, a 290 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: contact position, that you're gonna end up being able to go. 291 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: Definitely didn't take it for granted though, Um you know, 292 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: I know he was disappointed not to be voted in 293 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: on Pond first balloting, But I thought it's said a 294 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: lot about the fact that the league is starting to 295 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: catch on a little bit more about what he's all about. Um, 296 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald's has just an amazing physical specimen, and for 297 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: him to have the success he's had at that position, 298 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: I think says a lot about him. Not gonna mince words, 299 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: I think if he can play for another ten years, 300 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: he's a Pro Football Hall of Famer. He's on that 301 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: trajectory right now. But for a lot of defensive tackles, 302 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: it's tough to get those kind of accolades because the 303 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: sack numbers aren't always there. You don't always get the 304 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: fanciest statistics. It's just it's just not something that routinely happens. 305 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: But the fact that Daniels, now I think we were 306 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: talking about this at the end of the season is 307 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: I want to say it's three and a half sack 308 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: shy of what is the franchise record for sacks by 309 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: a nose tackle, which I believe is held by Colin Jenkins. 310 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: I think Daniels is at twenty six. Colin Jenkins was 311 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: twenty nine point five. The fact that he's that close 312 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: to that now, um, I think says a lot about him. 313 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: His consistency. He's had at least four sacks basically every 314 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: year since two thousand thirteen. I think he said another 315 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: record for himself as far as tackles. Incredibly consistent, well 316 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: rounded football player, and now is finally getting a chance 317 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: to go show himself on the you know, Pro Bowl level. Yeah, 318 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: and you wonder if he might have actually gotten in 319 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: gotten to the Pro Bowl through the initial process if 320 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: it hadn't been for that injury in Week two against Atlanta, 321 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: because he started the season like gangbusters. Against Seattle that 322 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: game here at Lambeufield in Week one, he was dominant. Yeah, 323 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: I would agree, he was absolutely dominant against Seattle's offensive line. 324 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: Whoever they used to try to block him, it didn't matter. 325 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: And that game was nationally televised or you know, the 326 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: late afternoon. You know, most of the country watched that game. 327 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: But then the following week he gets injured. Um, he 328 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: and he did come back fairly quickly from the injury, 329 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: but you know, a guy is not necessarily going to 330 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: be a hundred percent. It's still going to take a 331 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: little while. And then we really didn't see the full 332 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: scope of that Mike Daniels Kenny Clark tandem in the 333 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: middle of the Packers defensive line until the stretch run 334 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: late in the year when all the attention obviously was 335 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: on Aaron Rodgers coming back and are the Packers going 336 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: to hang in the playoff race and all of that 337 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So some circumstances they're unfortunately you know, 338 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: led him being an alternate, but certainly glad that that 339 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: he's going to get the opportunity. And you know, a 340 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 1: guy like Daniels, you know, he's gonna go down there 341 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: and have some fun. He's gonna you know, he's gonna 342 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: chat it up with all the other guys down there 343 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: and and take it all in. I'm sure he's going 344 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: to make the most of it. I'm just really interesting. 345 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: You don't they always say that thing about like people 346 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: playing at half speed in the Pro Bowl. I mean, dude, 347 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: I have to imagine he's going to tick some people off. 348 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,719 Speaker 1: I can't see playing at half speed and somebody whoever 349 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: that coach style. I don't know who that coaching staff 350 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: is yet. I don't know if they've if they've we've 351 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: gotten that far but in the process, but they're probably 352 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: gonna have to remind Daniels that you can't hit the 353 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: quarterback in the Pro Bowl. So I think that's one 354 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: thing to kind of keep an eye on, but certainly 355 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: a good honor for him and an opportunity to not 356 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: only have to go to this Pro Bowl, but this 357 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 1: is what sets you up now if you can keep 358 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: playing at a high level to get voted on first balloting. 359 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: Next right, the recognition continues to come. 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Chunky Soup, 366 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: the official sup partner of the Green Bay Packers, back 367 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: with more on Packers Unscripted right after this Welcome back 368 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: to Packers Unscripted Mike Spofford alongside Wes Hodkowitz and West. 369 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: Before we go, I want to get back to where 370 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: we ended yesterday's show, and that's with regards to that 371 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: Saints Panthers wild card game. I know I asked you 372 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: about the intentional grounding call at the end there on 373 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: Cam Newton, but really the end of that game had 374 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: so much going on you. I mean, the Panthers are 375 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: down twelve. They get the big play to Christian McCaffrey 376 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: for a touchdown, so they get within five, and then 377 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints have fourth and two at midfield. 378 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: The Panthers have no time outslift they decided to go 379 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: for it. They don't get it, but then the Panthers 380 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: in the secondary, Mike Adams, I believe it is intercepts 381 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: the ball instead of just knocking it down. He costs 382 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: his team twenty yards of field position, so they have 383 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: it at the thirty instead of at the fifty. And 384 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: then the intentional grounding call when they get inside. I 385 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: think to the twenty five yard liner. So the intentional 386 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: grounding call completely ruins Carolina's chance at at the game 387 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: winning drive. Really an amazing finish too to the game. 388 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: I don't know where you want to start with all that, 389 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: but I'm just curious your thoughts on how that thing 390 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: wrapped up, you know. And it's so weird to me 391 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: because it's like, I'm not an NFL player. I obviously 392 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: have not really been athletic enough to even make a 393 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: high school football team. But the atoms, So is it 394 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: just can you just not get yourself to not catch 395 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: that ball? Yeah, I don't know, Like it's just it's 396 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: just a mental it's just a mental thing where you're 397 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: you're as a safety, you're just you're always naturally trying 398 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: to intercept the ball and and you just you just 399 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: don't think about the fact that it's fourth down and 400 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: it's not the regular season. So like, okay, I get that. 401 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like you want to pad your stats out 402 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: a little bit. I respect that nobody cares what the 403 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 1: stats are in the postseason. I mean, we'll bring him 404 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: up every once in a while, but nobody could tell 405 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: you how many interceptions of Packers have had in the 406 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: postseason since two thousand ten or anything like that. So 407 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: it was a very odd play, and I thought, to 408 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: be honest with you, I thought that zapped a lot 409 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: of momentum from Carolina in what could have been a 410 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: really big momentum turning play for the Saints to get 411 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: that aggressive and then to have to basically have it 412 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: blow up in their face and then the Panthers sort 413 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: of give it back to him a little bit, almost 414 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: like a botch punt in a way. Yeah, I was 415 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: just stunned. I was stunned that Sean Payton decided to 416 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: go for it on fourth and two. There the Panthers 417 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: have no time outs. You can put them back presumably 418 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: to the ten yard line. Maybe even better, they need 419 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: a touchdown, they have to go the length of the field. 420 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: This is the same head coach who started a second 421 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: half of a Super Bowl with an onside kick, So 422 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: I get that he's as aggressive and perhaps maybe as 423 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: unorthodox in some of those decisions as they come. But boy, 424 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: oh boy, the book says point nine percent of the 425 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: time you punt the football there and trust your defense 426 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: is the best defense the Saints have had for however long, 427 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: And he acted like he didn't trust him. I I 428 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: just I didn't understand that it was weird. It was 429 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: a weird game. And then obviously you saw the follow 430 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: out for the Panthers here with all the reports of 431 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, Shula being out and the changes that they're 432 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: making with the offensive coaching staff. Um, it was I 433 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: think it was a really it's a game or both 434 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: teams sort of turned a corner. I think, you know, obviously, 435 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers have made a big commitment to Ron 436 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: Rivera now for another two years, but he's trying to 437 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: reorganize his staff. The Saints, I think it's a really 438 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: good learning experience for them because they do need to 439 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: learn how to trust that defense. Uh, this is a 440 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: game against the Minnesota Vikings. You can't take for granted. Yeah, 441 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: that Saints Vikings game coming up this weekend will be 442 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: a big one, and we'll we'll talk as the week 443 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: wraps up looking ahead to some of those divisional around games. 444 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: But with that, we'll call it a wrap on this 445 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of 446 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: our coverage of the team on Packers dot com on Twitter. 447 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: He's at west Hod, I'm at Mike Spofford at Packers 448 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: for the team account. Thanks for tuning in, everybody. We'll 449 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: see you next time. H M.