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Speaker 1: Before we get into the reunion, I would like to

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Speaker 2: Yes, the dog.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: There's still a lot to unpack here.

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Speaker 3: So Shina did physically assault me that night, and I

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Speaker 3: She threw my phone in the street and then called

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Speaker 3: Tom immediately and I was like, Shina just punched me

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Speaker 3: I heard her say to Ariana, I just punched that

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Speaker 3: So it's just nuts that she's doubled down on this

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Speaker 2: I don't think that filing a restraining.

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Speaker 3: Order was out of question because she was making this

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Speaker 2: I've been. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't make sense to me how I can

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Speaker 2: So much vitriol and I think.

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Speaker 1: And still be the villain. Yeah, yeah, did you sign

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Speaker 3: You know what, Bethany, I really thought that reality TV

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Speaker 3: I thought it would be a great experience for me

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Speaker 1: So what I didn't ask you is how did you

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Speaker 3: I felt very betrayed. I felt like I couldn't trust

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Speaker 3: Besides, he wanted me to see it later on to

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Speaker 3: why did you say that? Why did you say that

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Speaker 1: I've seen that happen before. Yeah, yeah, I've seen that happen. Yet, Wow,

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Speaker 3: I think he's getting a lot of hate right now

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Speaker 2: But I feel like it's true.

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Speaker 3: The woman does the woman does get the short end

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Speaker 1: That makes sense, does so Tom owns the bar with

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Speaker 1: You know, it sounds like everyone. It sounds like Lisa

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Speaker 1: Pump in a position to protect you? Guys within this

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Speaker 3: I don't think that anybody on that show has my

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Speaker 1: And people have spent like Kristen has a spin off.

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Speaker 1: she has a spinoff coming right, Yes, So you kind

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Speaker 3: You're selling your soul essentially, and this past season really

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Speaker 2: The realm, protect the realm.

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Speaker 1: It's it's so crazy. Sometimes reality TV is like the

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Speaker 1: That's outrageous. More than one hundred and fifteen million hours

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Speaker 2: Nobody should ever be spoken to like that.

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Speaker 3: that's all mine. No, Like, I can see that those

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Speaker 1: And you know, I thought to myself, what must your

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Speaker 2: Like where's if I did? I don't know. They've be like, well,

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Speaker 1: And then it was said to you you should leave

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I can't even remember. In that moment, I believe

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Speaker 1: It was like your penance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like I have to own up to it,

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Speaker 1: Well, my therapist. I have a therapist called doctor Matt Pulowitz.

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Speaker 1: there's a difference between punishment and abuse. He said, punishment

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Speaker 1: Maybe she doesn't to get a divorce. Maybe a divorce

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Speaker 1: he said, In this particular case, he said, there was

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Speaker 1: And I looked up. You know, many studies say that

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? In the moment, I felt like I deserved it.

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Speaker 1: And did you feel protected at all? By why do

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