WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 2/8: Latest Front Office News, Resetting Draft Thoughts and Super Bowl Predictions 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:09.680 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:11.440 Lazar and Alex Bart. 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:17.400 Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our Bark. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.759 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex barrs. I don't know 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:27.560 what I've done. I think I've made a mistake. Maybe 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:32.320 maybe I should not have exposed to you to Joe Milton, all, 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:35.680 I don't know how much Joe Milton we're gonna do? 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:37.440 Why echoing? 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:38.560 Is that? 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:40.959 There? We go? Okay, I don't know how much Joe 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:42.760 Milton talker and dude, if you can't tell, it's Alex 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:44.839 Bart in the host chair today on Catch twenty two. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.960 Evan is here, but he is sick. So two weeks ago, 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:54.080 two weeks ago or no, yeah, two weeks ago, two 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:58.280 weeks ago I was sick, yep now, and then we 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.000 had the senior balls, Evan was in mobile, and now 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.360 Evan is sick and can't come in. So let the 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.160 conspiracy theory start that we can't be in the same room. 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.560 But I mean, you hear his voice. You heard my 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:11.960 voice a couple of weeks ago. He was obviously in mobile. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.200 The evidence is there, but we're underway here on a 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.280 brand new catch twenty two with obviously a ton to 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.280 get to. Even though it's three weeks in a row, 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.760 we can't manage to be being a building together, so 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.600 we're gonna be pretty heavy coaching staff front office today. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.240 Obviously a lot has happened in that regard in the 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.440 last week. Everything has happened in that regard in the 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.360 last week. But we can get into some I know 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:34.160 you guys want to talk prospects with us, as you 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:35.959 always do. We can get into some of that as well. 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.760 Eight five five PATS five hundred is the number if 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.920 you want to call in eight five five Pats five hundred, 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:47.160 that's eight five five seven two eight seven five hundred, 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.640 or you can email us at web radio at Patriots 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.480 dot com. But in the meantime, Evan, where do you 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:55.240 want to start coaching staff or front office? 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:58.040 We started the coaching staff. 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.000 And just for the record, you know both of us 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.040 have done this show sick now in the last couple 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.919 of weeks, and not all heroes wear capes. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:05.200 Alex. 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.520 You know, like I think that we deserve some kudos 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.760 for for playing sick in these instances. 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:12.720 No, I'm just kidding. 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.080 I mean, I just get your voice sounds much better 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:16.880 than mine did two weeks ago. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:19.160 Yeah, I'm for me right now. 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.880 I just I can't get my my body temperature to 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.760 be at a normal level. I'm either super high or 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.160 super cold. And there's no there's no God. 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.200 Yeah, I was about to say we had a little 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.000 fun with it. I think we were jumping the shark there. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.240 Let's uh, let's go, thank you, thanks for that, man. 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.440 Let's get into the uh, let's get into the coaching staf. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.480 You want to start coaching staff in front office. 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:45.320 Yeah, yeah, we can start the coaching staff. 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:51.040 So the coaching staff, as as it has been reported 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.920 so far, we've got a little bit more on the 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.400 offensive side of the ball. It's gonna be Alex van Pelt, 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:01.200 who has been hot. I think got hired after our 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.000 last show, right, he got hired on Yeah, it was 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:08.120 either Thursday night or Friday, Thursday night. So Alex van 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.680 Pelt's gonna be the offensive coordinator. Ben mca who's going 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:15.800 to be some sort of general assistant. We have TC McCartney. 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.240 Mike Reheese confirmed last night as the reported last night 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.800 as the quarterbacks coach. Scott Peters is the offensive line coach. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.440 Still waiting on running backs, receivers, and tight ends. We'll 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.920 start with Van Pelt, who kind of came out of 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:31.440 nowhere in this whole thing. I it feels like that 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:33.560 that hire was a month ago. With everything that's happened, like, 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:38.240 I feel weird going back through it here. I don't 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.080 mind the higher I liked that they went out and 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.680 they got somebody with playing experience. I like that they 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.280 got somebody who's experienced working with quarterbacks. I like the 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:50.000 system that they run in Cleveland. Now, the play calling questions, 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.040 and it's not that he's never called plays. I'll clear 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:53.360 that up because I see a lot of people saying 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.520 he's never done it. He did do it in Buffalo 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.680 for a year now, it was fifteen years ago. But 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.560 he has done it, and he did it spot times 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:03.160 in Cleveland and when Stefanski was out with illness. That 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.600 that is a fair question, and we're gonna need to 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.320 see what he looks like as as a play caller, 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.840 because you can design a great offense. If you're not 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.160 calling the right plays on Sundays within that design, it 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.000 doesn't really matter. I think we all saw Josh McDaniel's 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.359 fall into that a couple of times during his career 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:24.080 in New England. So to me, like it's a it's 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.279 it's an interesting hire. I'm not gonna sit here in 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:27.680 bash and I'm not gonna sit here and say it's 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.000 a terrible higher, because I don't think it is. Is it? 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.880 You know, beyond question? No, there's legitimate questions with a 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:35.440 guy like this. But I think if they're a team 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.960 that wants to develop a quarterback, and they they do 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.000 need to develop a quarterback. And whether that's a quarterback 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.760 that's drafted third overall, a quarterback that's drafted on Day two, 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.520 whether that's Mac Jones, that's another discussion, but there is 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.599 gonna be a quarterback here that needs developing. They're not 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:54.160 trading for Patrick Mahomes, right. They got a guy that's 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.359 experienced with developing quarterbacks, that experience with working with quarterbacks. 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.080 He runs a quarterback friendly system, and he's run his 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.120 his own show offensively before, and I think in that 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:03.120 sense it's encouraging. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:05.839 Yeah, I agree with a lot of what you just said. 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.120 I think it's disingenuous a little bit to come on 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.839 here and be like, Wow, what a home run higher, 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.359 because let's face it, it wasn't on my list, right, Like, 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.680 it wasn't one of my preferred candidates. Not that my 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.200 list was like the end all be all, But at 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.360 the end of the day, it's not the sexiest of hires. 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.440 It's not the most innovative of hires. We're not talking 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.960 about one of these young Zach Robinson, like young hotshot 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:35.279 OC candidates out there that's gonna be the next Kyle 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.839 Shanahan or Sean McVay or something like that. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.520 So is it inspirational? 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.640 Is it, you know, somebody that I think is gonna 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.360 completely come in here and reinvent how we think of 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.160 offense and how they play offense. 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.279 I don't necessarily think so. I think that their. 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.599 Scheme has a lot of good things about it that 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.840 we can get into that I do like. But it's 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:00.640 not I'm not over the moon about it. But I also, 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.360 like you said, I'm also not sitting here and killing 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.080 them for it either. I'm kind of lukewarm on it 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.440 at for the moment, And I think the biggest reasons 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.640 why I like it are as this process continued for 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:17.279 them and they hire Jerry Springer to be the special 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:22.120 teams coordinator. He's young, he's never done it before. DeMarcus Covington, 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:26.320 defensive coordinator, thirty four years old, never done it before. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:31.800 They needed somebody in that coaching staff on the coordinator level, 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.359 because the head coach obviously, we know who that is 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.760 that had some experience, that had a resume in the league, 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:43.680 that's had experience with quarterbacks, has developed quarterbacks that's running offense. 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.080 I think that that's where I was starting to gear 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.159 more towards a little bit myself. Anyways, once it became 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.120 clear that they weren't going to get the Zach Robinson's 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.120 of the world, right Like, once those guys were out 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.839 of the picture and you started to think about what 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:04.240 are the most important things. I think experience, knowledge, quarterback relationship, 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.800 and I think that that's one thing that you look 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:08.120 at a guy like Nick Kyley. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:12.520 And I know that some people are reporting or surmising. 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.200 I don't know if they've anybody's concretely reported that they 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:20.000 wouldn't play pay Nick Kayley's freight. But that's sort of 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.000 the report out there right is that they wouldn't pay 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.720 the contract that he wanted. But Kayley's never worked with quarterbacks. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.680 He's also a young guy. He's also never coordinated an 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.240 offense on his own before that would have been a 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:37.360 lot of inexperience and just a lot of daring sort 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:41.480 of inexperienced there on one coaching staff. So in a 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:43.400 lot of ways, I think that there's a lot of 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.920 things to like about Alex van Pelt, and I do 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:47.720 want to get into some of the x's and o's 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:53.160 of what they did in Cleveland. And it's not Shanahan style. 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:57.680 It's not McVeigh, but it isn't it's adjacent, you know, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.920 like it's they have so many brands off that tree 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.600 at this point that it's part of the big tree, 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.760 but it's kind of one of the little smaller branches 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.560 towards the bottom, you know. But they definitely do some 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.880 of those things marrying run with play action, you know, 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.720 outside zone like those are some of the things that 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.600 they have done in Cleveland that I would say it's 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.920 Stefanski does adhere a little bit to some of the 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:23.280 Shanahan principles. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.280 Yeah, all good points. I want to get to the 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.320 X and OSVICH is if you have any thoughts on 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.760 the other offensive Highers, TC McCartney, Scott Peters or Ben McAdoo, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.000 So Ben McAdoo. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.360 I feel like this happens in coaching, and I know 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.200 that some people have said that this was on the 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:43.800 record before those drafts, that he liked all those quarterbacks, 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.679 right they wanted to trade up for Patrick Mahomes and 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.560 he wanted Josh Allen over Sam Darnold, and YadA, YadA, YadA. 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.439 But if those things are true, then that is encouraging 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.080 and it kind of under you would understand almost why 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.760 they would bring him and Alex van pelt in together 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.200 because now you have two guys that have a decent 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:07.120 history with quarterbacks and working with quarterbacks and maybe even 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.040 evaluating quarterbacks, and I think that. 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:11.280 That can be really useful. 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.360 I'm not the biggest Ben mcadew fan from his time 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.839 with the Giants, obviously, I don't think anybody could look 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.400 at his head coaching tenure with the Giants and be 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:20.560 super gung. 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:21.080 Ho about it. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.400 But from what I understand, he's a good He's a 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.199 good eye for quarterback talent, a good eye for offensive 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:29.480 talent in general. 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.680 From what they know. Has been reported in the past, and. 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.280 That's something that we've talked about that this team has 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.520 struggled with what not just that quarterback but at receiver, 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.600 you know, at tight end, they haven't really been a 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:45.040 great evaluating team when it comes to offensive skill players. 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.640 So maybe Ben McAdoo is somebody that can come in 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.160 and help the front office out and kind of be 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:50.960 a little. 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.600 Bit of a dual role there. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.760 Of coaching these guys but also having an eye for 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.080 the talent a little bit as well. 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.360 I'll give you the one thing on did interest me, 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.080 and this is a little outside of the box. And yeah, 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.080 I mean that the quarterback stuff's impressive, but I don't know, 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:08.600 it sounds a little bit to me like Bill Paulian 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.240 saying he knew Brady was a first round pick. 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:11.000 Yeah, I agree. 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:18.360 Right. Where mcadow's interesting to me is, Look, Tom Coughlin's 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:22.200 not Bill Belichick, obviously, but he's a guy that's the 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.800 greatest coach in franchise history. He won multiple Super Bowls, 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:26.280 he was there, he was there for a long time, 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.240 he was highly revered. Like, that's not an easy guy 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.959 to replace by any means, and mcadew had to do it, 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.120 and it didn't go well. He got let go late 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.200 in his second year. But I mean, there is no 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.480 apples to apples for replacing Bill Belichick, there isn't. But 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.640 mcadow's kind of come about as close as you're gonna 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:50.120 get in the NFL. And I don't think the weight 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:54.600 of replacing Bill Belichick is just reserved for Girodmeo. I 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:58.200 think that falls on JaMarcus Covington. I think that falls 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.559 on Alex van Pelt being the first to post Belichick's staff. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:07.800 Here's somebody who has navigated those waters before, and again, like, 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.000 take that for whatever it's worth. I'm not necessarily saying 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.679 that's the be all end all, but when I look 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.880 at Macado, that to me is where the true value 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.640 is as a resource for what these guys are going 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:21.920 to go through this year in terms of external pressure 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:28.880 because he's faced and again not the same Belichick, Coughlin, 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.000 not the same, but he's gotten about as close to 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.439 having that experiences is anybody you are realistically going to 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.680 get to come join the staff. And I think there's 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.559 some value in having him as a resource in that regard. 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.360 I know that's the kind of stuff you hate. I 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:43.760 can't tell if you're rolling your eyes, and me you 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:47.160 probably are, but that's what stands out about Macado to me. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.640 I think there's some things that you know, we've discussed 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.480 in the past. Girodmeo to me, with these two piers 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:59.079 is recognizing where his own holes are currently as a coach. 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.520 He I think he's recognizing that he needed a lot 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.600 of help on the offensive side of the ball, that 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.319 he needed two guys that knew what they were doing 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.679 and knew have been around the block a little bit, 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.319 have been to multiple stops, have coached, you know, all 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.480 different types of players, you know, all that kind of stuff. 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.360 And he have two guys now and McAdoo and Van 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.880 pelt that I know a lot of Patriots fans are 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.480 going to hear this and want to, you know, throw. 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:24.959 Up a little bit. 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:26.960 But the reality is is that I think both those 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.600 guys can run the offensive side of the ball, and 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.160 they have the experience, and they have the coaching chops, 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.760 and they have the resumes to be able to garner 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.199 that sort of responsibility. One of them has been a 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.559 head coach in the NFL before, Alex Van Peltz coordinated 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.120 offenses in multiple stops. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:44.680 Both those guys have. 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:49.360 The wello out the resumes to be able to run 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:54.120 offense in the NFL, and Girodmeo I think is recognized 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.160 that he's not ready to be the CEO of the 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.160 football team just yet, where he's got his hand and 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.600 every little thing and he's Bill Belichick. That's you know, 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.800 crossing these te's over here in the offensive meetings then 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.680 walking over to the defensive meetings and dotting those eyes 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:11.319 and that sort of thing, like he's not. 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:12.000 Ready to do that. 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:16.240 So this should allow, in theory, girod Mayo to mostly 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.920 focus on what he does best, which is motivate the 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.280 team and coach the defense. And hopefully that means that 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.240 the defense will be just as good as it was 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:25.320 last year, if not better. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.600 And I think that's a key point. When people talk 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.480 about Van Pelt's lack of experience as a play caller, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.040 I think they conflate that with lack of experience as 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.640 an offensive coordinator, and those are two different things. An 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.640 offensive coordinator is going to design the offense implement it 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.760 both on a macro level on a micro level week 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:44.720 to week. Hey, we want to emphasize this this week, 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.520 we want to emphasize that we want to attack this, 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.559 we want to stay away from that, and then basically 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.760 give that to the play caller. If it's a different person. 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:55.160 So Van Pelt's putting offense together before mcadho's putting offense 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.000 together before one other member of the staff. I want 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.240 to touch on real quick before we get into what 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.079 this thing might look like. And that's TC McCartney, who's 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.240 reportedly going to be the quarterbacks coach when this higher 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.400 or yes, they was reported they at first they were 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:11.080 targeting him. Yeah, I was a little confused because we 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.480 just talked about it, Alex Van pelt Be and McAdoo. 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:18.280 It felt like they were targeting like true experienced quarterback developers, 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:24.280 and TC McCartney is a little bit out of that mold. Yes, 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.320 he played quarterback at LSU, but he was a scout 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.920 team quarterback. He then went He was a general assistant 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.480 in San Francisco for a few years, including under Shanahan, 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.040 spent one year as a quarterbacks coach in Denver, then 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.320 was a general assistant again in Cleveland, and then was 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.240 a tight ends coach for the last four years. His 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.280 resume to me, doesn't look like the resume of quarterbacks coach. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.840 It looks like the resume of an offensive coordinator. Yeah, 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.440 and I wonder if and I said this, when they 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.280 hired Van pelt Evan. I think I texted this to 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.800 you that once they made that higher, we had talked 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:57.560 about how the quarterback coach higher was going to be 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.720 so important. Once they made that higher, to me, it 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.840 was all right, now I need the offensive line coach. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.160 And I think we both really like Scott Peters. Yeah, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.600 in his background with MMA and combat sports and all that, but. 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.960 And just like the videos of him wanting to like 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.360 kill people on Twitter, like not literally like in football, no. 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.840 Just like using like a poll on his house as 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:18.000 a blocking sled. It's awesome. 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:19.320 Yeah, yeah, it's great. 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.960 So to me, I was like, all right, like Van 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.640 Pelts more or less gonna be your quarterbacks coach. I 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.840 look at TC McCartney, and I look at his resume, 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:28.800 and I look at his background. Again, He's spend significant 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.680 time with Kyle Shanahan. He's coached multiple positions on the 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.920 offensive side of the ball. I wonder if this is 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:39.960 kind of all right, Van Peltz got the quarterbacks. We're 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.760 gonna have this guy here so that if it goes 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.200 well with Van pelt and he's gone, Because if it 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:46.880 goes well with him, he's gonna be head coaching at 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:51.600 least three in three years, maximum right. TC McCartney to 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.840 me is a succession plan. TC McCartney to me is 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:56.880 the guy you're grooving that. If it goes well and 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.240 Alex van Pelt takes a head coaching job, this is 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:03.240 your next offense coordinator because his background strongly suggests somebody 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.800 who's a West Coast even borderline shanahano c. He just 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.320 needs a little more experience. He's just not quite there yet, 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.200 and this is a way to maybe get him some 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:17.000 of that experience. So it's an interesting hire. To me's 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.760 If it goes well, it's brilliant. If it doesn't, we're 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:21.640 we there's a real chance of sitting here in a 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.160 year saying they should have gotten somebody with more experience 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.120 around the quarterbacks. It was too much on Alex van 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:30.960 Pelt's plate. But I do think that he's somebody who, 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.280 if it goes well, you're gonna hear quickly talked about 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.520 as an offensive coordinator, either here if Van Pelt jumps, 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:41.440 or elsewhere, like he can be there. To Rad Johnson, basically. 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:43.960 Yeah, I think I look you know, you look at it, 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.560 and there's been a lot of track record of guys 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.800 going from tight ends coaches to offensive coordinators, right, just 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.520 because of all the responsibility on the tight ends coach 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.720 from a run and pass game perspective, but in a 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.040 lot of ways still isn't like quarterbacks coach. A little 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.560 bit of a promotion like that just feels a little 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.040 bit like an upward promotion. And I think if you're 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:10.480 TC McCartney, you probably wanted that a promotion to come 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.359 to New England. Like, I don't know if New England 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.439 was necessarily at the top of his list of places 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.320 that he could go. He could go latch onto you know, 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.320 Kyle Shanahan's staff in San Francisco and replace Clint Kobiac 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.400 and probably be head coach in two years just because 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.320 he knew Kyle Shanahan one time. Right, So, like you 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.880 look at these things and I think that in order 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.199 to get him in the building, they gave him a 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.680 more prominent title of quarterbacks coach, and. 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.600 I'm okay with that. I do want to touch on on. 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:42.560 Scott Peters though, because so Brandon Thorn is my my 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.879 go to offensive line guy does a great job covering 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.440 offensive line play both college and you know, draft and NFL. 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:50.560 He was like. 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:56.000 Imediately tweeted, this is a great hire. Scott Peters deserves 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.399 to run his own room. He's been a you know, 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.960 a rising star under Bill call Hand in Cleveland for 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.359 a couple of years now, so that that's really encouraging. 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.840 And then you just read up and you watch this 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.760 guy do his job and at work and in some 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.320 of these clinics that he's done, and you mentioned like 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.000 the poll in the backyard of his house and he's 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.480 just using it as a blocking sled and looks like 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.800 he could probably go in there and play guard next 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.320 week or something like that. The way that he was, 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.720 you know, firing out of his stance and throwing punches 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.400 and things. I'm encouraged by this. I like his background, 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.600 I like his attitude. I think he's he's somebody that 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.040 just screams offensive line coach at you, right, like he's 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.320 just yeah, you know, you've been joking back and forth 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.680 with like the whole knee caps thing and things like that, 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.160 but that you know, I kind of rolled my eyes 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:46.320 at that type of stuff, usually mostly because I hate 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.119 Dan Campbell, but also but like when it comes to 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:52.200 offensive line coaches, like that's what you want your offensive 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.720 line coach to be like like Dante s Karneck like 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.119 you want him to freaking, you know, spit out fire 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.720 like that's just like what you want your line coaches 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.439 to be like. And I think that Scott Peters definitely 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.040 fits that bill. So out of all of these assistant 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.600 coaching hires, you know, taking Van Pelton McAdoo out of it, 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.520 I think that he's the most encouraging one by far. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:14.840 All Right, so put it all together, Evan, what's this 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:15.919 offense going to look like? 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.440 Well, well, I do think that what's encouraging about what 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.199 Cleveland did? And I know it's tough because yes, he 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:27.480 wasn't a play caller, and it was Stefanski's offense. Like 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.840 that is Stefanski's offense in Cleveland, and here they're running 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.679 the Stefanski system. But if we if they had hired 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.240 Zach Robinson, then we would still be talking about the 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.560 McVeigh offense. And how Zach like, that's the offense he's 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.080 built in, right, Like, that's the offense he's been born in. 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:48.400 Mike McCarthy, it's not exactly the same, but it's it's 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.680 from a passing game standpoint, it's pretty similar from what 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.520 they did in Green Bay and I think the one 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.560 thing that's encouraging is that they do a really really 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:01.480 nice job of marrying together run and play action pass 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.720 and they are an explosive down the field vertical passing 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.359 the game off of play action, Like this is not 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.560 a team that is just trying to get you know, 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:14.440 twelve to fifteen yard chunks at a time off play 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:17.040 action pass. This is a team that wants to push 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.960 the ball down the field for explosives off of those 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:23.159 play actions. So they'll run some outside zone. They're not 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.920 as they weren't as outside zone heavy last year as they. 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.000 Have been in the past, but that's. 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:31.760 Still their Their base run scheme is outside zone. So 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:34.320 they'll run outside zone and then they'll run you know, 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.480 bootleg stretch off of it, right, and then they'll run 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.440 a lot of the different Shanahan types of route combinations 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:44.120 down the field to generate big plays. And you watch 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.880 that film really towards the down the stretch with Joe Flacco, 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:52.080 the one guy that obviously really sticks out continuously is 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:55.480 David and Joku, and they were hitting big play after 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.359 big play after big play against David to David and 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:00.720 Joku off play action. 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:02.360 I love the bootlegs. 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:07.320 They run a good amount of gap now counter you know, 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:09.520 they run a little pin pole and then they run. 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:10.760 They run all. 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.399 Those same blocking schemes and then they just have counteractions 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:17.600 off of them with the play action fakes. So even 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:22.640 though it's not as motion heavy, it's not as exotic. 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:25.600 It's not you know, when you watch like a Shanahan 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:31.040 Mike McDaniel run game, there's guys motioning all over the place, 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:36.000 there's weird odd blocking angles, there's different setups things like that. 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.240 It's not quite as exotic or as creative as that, 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:43.080 but the principles are the same of we're gonna show 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:46.800 you run formation, run block, and then we're gonna bootleg 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:48.840 off of it, or we're gonna play action off of 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.480 it and we're gonna generate big plays down the field. 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.160 So when you look at all these things, I think 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:58.480 what's encouraging about it is that you can see a system. 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:03.160 You can see the game plan, you can see a 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.600 real systemic way of how they like to get to 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:08.400 their things, and they buy into it. You know, they 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.199 are a run first team, but they buy into it 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:13.159 to run the play action off of it, which I 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:15.520 think in a lot of ways, Alex, like you should 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:18.679 be excited about that. That's yeah, this is this is 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:21.200 real man football, like you like to say, like, this 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:23.399 is this is big boy football. They're gonna want to 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:25.480 run the ball and they're gonna want to run the 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.320 play action off of it. And really that's what the 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:30.639 the the real you know, crux of the offenses is 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.440 creating those explosive plays. And then when they get into 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:37.359 past situations, whether it's third down, you know, short yardage, 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:40.560 obvious past two minute, that sort of thing, they'll run 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:44.240 West Coast type of offensive you know, staples in the 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:48.160 passing game, but they're not trying to they're not trying 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.919 to generate too many explosives. And when I say that, 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.639 it's not like they obviously every team wants to generate 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:56.879 explosive all the time, right, but they're not their West 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:59.680 Coast pass game like and you know, third and five 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:02.600 is really just to pick six hours up, right, Like 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:05.080 if they get extra yards from it, great, their first 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.800 and second down play calling and the explosive plays off 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.199 play action, that's where they want to really hit the 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:11.119 chunk plays. 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:11.800 And move the offense. 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:14.480 So as we get into it some more here, I 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:16.280 think one of the cool things that we can talk 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:21.760 about is how this fits, you know, draft prospects, free agency, 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.040 you know, that sort of thing. Because I do think 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:27.240 that if this is exactly how they're gonna play an offense, 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:30.840 and yeah, it does, certain people definitely fitted a lot 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:32.399 better than other people in the draft. 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:35.440 And I think the big thing, I mean draft aside, 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:40.000 just in general, and I'm with you, they're gonna run 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:41.600 set up the pass. I know you're gonna roll your 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:42.960 eyes at that, but they're gonna run to set up 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:45.960 the play action. Yeah, run to make that work and 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.800 then try to hit their explosives off that. The tight 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:51.400 end has been a huge part of what they've done 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:55.199 the last four years. Yeah, three all all of the 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:58.359 previous four tight end was among their top three leading receivers, 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:00.520 was one of their top two receips three to the 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:03.440 last four, and Djoku led the team in catches last year. 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:06.359 They've got to get their version of David and Joku 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:11.680 and whether that's Jatavian Sanders. I look at Austin Hooper's 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:17.400 a free agent. He had success with alex Van Pelton Cleveland. Uh, 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:19.679 I'm blanking on on the other Cleveland tight end that 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:23.080 you you text me about it. Harrison Bryant, who you 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.280 really liked in the draft that year, right, weren't you? 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:25.720 Yeah? 0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:30.040 I mean I was the Devin ASSISI Dalton Keene draft. 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:31.679 And we'll call it the Cole Comet draft. 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:35.040 Maybe maybe they fixed the mistake and get the guy 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:36.440 they should have drafted all along. 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:40.160 So I look at like the the three lynch pins 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.440 of that Browns offense, and well there's four. Like I 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:44.080 don't want to leave out Nick Chubb, but one they're 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.800 very successful without Nick Chubb last year. And two I'm 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:49.120 not saying Rimandre's Nick Chubb, but Ramondre is a really 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:50.800 good running back. Like, I don't think they need to 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:53.479 upgrade at running back to make this offense work. Now 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:55.560 that you get a pass catching back, that's another story. 0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:58.240 They got to get their version of David and Joku. 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:01.600 They got to get their version of Amari Cooper, and 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:04.080 they got to get a tackle. And that sounds like 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:07.760 a lot, and I mean it is. You can do 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:12.600 all that this offseason. That's not unrealistic if you go 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:15.800 about it correctly. You can get those three guys this 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:18.920 offseason and still honestly take a quarterback third. I know 0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:20.920 a lot of people probably heard get your Amari Cooper 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.239 and thought, Marvin Harrison Junior, you can go out and 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:28.960 sign Michael Pittman, Calvin Ridley, like they kind of revitalized 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.440 Amari Cooper and we will still see you the wide 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:34.320 receivers coaches, but go out get your true X, of 0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:37.960 which there's a couple available in free agency. Tackle. Maybe 0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:41.000 that's where you got at the top of the draft 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:43.320 or in the top one hundred. Maybe they trade for 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:45.600 Jack Conklin. I know we talked about that a little 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.679 bit before even Van Pelt was in the picture. Maybe 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:52.120 it's it's somewhere else in free agency you bring going 0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:57.040 Winno back on the other side, and then and then 0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:58.920 tight end. We talked about a couple guys that could 0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:02.480 sign or like I think today Sanders, I had David 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:05.359 Joke who as a comp for him before all of this, 0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:08.639 So now here there's literally a David Joku type player. 0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:11.840 Like there you go. I wanted to ask you this 0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:14.400 and you can respond to that whole plan, but specifically 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.199 on owned when WU last time we had talked about this, 0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:20.400 we still thought they were trying to do that Shanahan thing, 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:23.080 and you talked about on when who maybe not being 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:25.440 an ideal fit for that now that it's going to 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:28.160 be a little more ground a pound his own when 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:31.679 to a better fit for the Van Pelt offenses. Is 0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:33.879 he a guy you're willing to commit to as a 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:35.960 tackle in the Van Pelt offense. 0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:38.520 I'm not sure a tackle. 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:41.920 I still think he's such a good lineman that they 0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:44.600 would make it work. And like I said, last year, 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:47.360 they ran a lot more gap. They were a lot 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:50.000 more gap heavy. They were one of the more gap 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:52.800 heavy offenses in the league the last couple of years. Actually, 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.119 they still run a lot of outside zone though, And 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:58.000 I still look at their film and say, you know, 0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:02.080 the horizontal stretch and the aim point outside the tackle, like, 0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:06.119 that's still kind of the basis of what they do, right, Like, 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.280 that's like the setup that they want to present to 0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:11.000 the defense, right And they still run a lot of 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.880 outside zone. They still run a lot of pinpoll, which 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.760 is basically just outside zone tagged a little bit differently. 0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:18.120 And they still run. 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:19.199 A lot of crack toss. 0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:23.560 So all those three of those schemes are outside on 0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.399 the perimeter. You know a big thing about the Shanahan 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.760 offense and Stefanski is I think a subscriber to this 0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:33.240 as well, and so as van Pelta. In turn, they 0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:35.800 want the dbs to be the guys that have to 0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:37.399 make the tackles at the point of attack. 0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:38.080 Right. 0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:41.040 They look at it and they say, why are we 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:44.359 going to run at three hundred and thirty pound dts 0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.240 and linebackers who jobs it is to stop the run 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:49.760 when we can run at corners and safeties and make 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.080 them stop the run for you know, on the perimeter. 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:54.159 So let's get the ball outside. 0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:56.959 And I still think at their core that is what 0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:00.000 the Browns have been over the last couple of years. 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.480 But I think that on when who can be a 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:08.280 fit in that scheme as more of a not necessarily 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:10.760 the guy that's on the move all the time in 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.680 some of those schemes, but a guy that for example, 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:16.040 you know, when you run pin pull, you have guys 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.399 that are you know, pulling around guys that are pinning 0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:20.680 down Like there's no reason why on when who can't 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:22.160 be the one pinning somebody down? 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:22.600 Right? 0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:22.800 Like? 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.480 It just you have to scheme it a little bit differently. 0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.159 I wouldn't necessarily encourage him to be the guy in space, 0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:31.560 but He's a very good player. 0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:32.640 And I wouldn't. 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:36.000 I wouldn't let him walk simply because it doesn't feel 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.360 like he's a scheme fit. If I'm Mike on when 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:40.280 who's not a scheme fit for you, then your scheme 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:43.520 stakes like make it, make it work like you. It's 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.600 that simple. But you mentioned a couple of alignment with 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:50.280 the Browns. Jack Conklin, I think is a really interesting 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:54.160 trade target or maybe even cap casualty in Cleveland if 0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:58.040 they decide to give our guy Dwan Jones the keys 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:01.560 there at right tackle. He's getting up there in age, 0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:03.920 but would be a nice kind of bridge to a 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.680 younger player than maybe they draft this year. And then 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:11.720 Gary on Conley, who played a decent amount last year 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:14.240 I left tackle almost. I think he was really their 0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:17.000 primary starting left tackle in Cleveland last year. 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:18.960 I think I have that name right, But now my 0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:19.600 might like. 0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:22.240 Isn't isn't gary On Conley corner? 0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:26.480 As soon as I've said it, I was like, that's 0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:30.000 gotta be the the whatever flu brain right now? 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:34.960 But Christian, thank. 0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:38.960 You, Yeah, Gary on Connolly definitely corner. 0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:40.160 I knew it was Gary On. 0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:43.600 Gary On Christian played left tackle for them, like a lot. 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:46.640 I think you would say he was their primary left 0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:49.640 tackle last year because the injuries, and he's more of 0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:52.640 like a swing I think ideally like a third tackle. 0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:56.120 But he's a free agent as well, so that that 0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:58.760 that's a player that maybe they could sign. I think 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.720 Conkland's somebody that they could maybe call on and see 0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:05.120 if he's available in a trade or maybe he becomes 0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:08.560 available as like a cap cut. But they have some 0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:11.440 options off of that Cleveland offensive roster. Obviously, we haven't 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:14.200 even talked about Joe Flacco, who is also going to 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:18.040 be a free agent, but I'm not necessarily taught saying 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:19.680 that we need to talk about that like we want 0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:23.080 to do it, but it is an option. So I 0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:26.640 think on one who's a fit, I think they would 0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:29.360 make it work with him. And one thing I will 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.760 say that, you know, I also didn't mention earlier about 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:33.520 the run scheme. 0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:35.600 That's encouraging it. 0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:39.200 They you can see game to game how they like 0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:43.760 game plan different teams different ways, so they're not a 0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:47.960 totally dead set and running the ball one specific way. 0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:50.600 You know, against the Jets, they did a lot of 0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:53.520 their old school stuff to get out on the perimeter 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.240 and get away from Quinn Williams and those types of guys. 0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:58.360 But then the next you know, week, or maybe it 0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:01.560 was a week before against Houston in the regular season, 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:06.320 they ran a very very different run sort of install 0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:09.800 In that game, they are more downhill and trying to 0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:12.440 run more counter and trap schemes and things like that. 0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:14.400 So they they have a lot. 0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:18.000 Of different things in their their book, very diverse run scheme, 0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.080 and I liked how the game planned and pieced it 0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:23.040 together down the stretch with Flacco. Look, if you get 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.440 that kind of production out of Joe Flacco coming off 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:27.800 his couch, you got to get some some credit for that, 0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:30.440 right you know, you know that that was an impressive 0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:31.880 run that they had offensively. 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:35.840 Yeah, absolutely, And again Van Pelton's earned something the credit 0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:37.400 for it, even though he wasn't calling the place, because 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:39.520 he was still the one putting that together, designing it 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:43.080 and any other thoughts on the offense before we move over, 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:44.960 we'll do the touch on the other two sides of 0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.320 the ball quickly and then we'll take some calls. 0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:49.800 Yeah, I think that's the one other thing. 0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:52.840 And I know that people are gonna are gonna roll 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:54.800 their eyes at me and get mad at me because 0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:58.360 you know there's so many like Arthur I love in 0:31:58.480 --> 0:31:59.360 New York or whatever. 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:00.400 I think it's New York. 0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:03.160 He he loves himself some jayde and Daniels, And I 0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.160 know I always get a lot of flag for this take. 0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:08.240 But the bottom line is is that there's no better 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:11.000 quarterback fit in this draft for this offense than Drake May. 0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:14.280 Like he's just he's the best fit for this offense. 0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:18.360 But at the same time, this offense is at its 0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:20.680 best when you have a quarterback that can vertically throw 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:22.600 the ball down the field like that. 0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:23.960 That's just the bottom line. 0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:25.800 Well, I mean May and Daniels can both do that. 0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:29.200 Yea, yeah, But when I look at it, like I 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:33.360 think that one it has to there has to be 0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.400 an ability to go from under center. 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.800 No, I agree with you that that May is a 0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.400 better fit, but I don't think I think it would 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:44.680 be incorrect to say Daniels is not a fit. Uh. 0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:47.120 I don't know if he's not a fit, it's just 0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:50.600 not it's not the best use of Jayden Daniels. 0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.440 You could you could write like you could Jane Daniels 0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.960 in theory should work in this offense, but not to 0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:57.880 the extent, Drake maywould. 0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:00.640 I just feel like JA putting Jayden Daniels in this 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.040 offense and like to use a really good combo. I 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:08.360 think Bluke GETSI with Chicago and Justin Fields. 0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:09.840 No, but the difference is Justin Fields was not a 0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:10.800 fit in that offense. 0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.000 I think that it's similar, like I think it's similar 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:19.240 with Jayden Daniels, where I think that you're asking Justin 0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.880 Fields to be in an offense, and like, this was 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.480 what happened with Chicago for the first half of last year. 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.719 Second half of last year, they started running option, they 0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.480 start running pistol, they start running spread right and they 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:31.280 and they start. 0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:33.240 To actually move the ball offensively in Chicago. 0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:37.240 I just look at Jayden Daniels and I think, out 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.400 of the gate, he's going to have to be in 0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:43.200 an offense that is pretty option heavy and allows him 0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:46.800 to kind of develop as a passer as he kind 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.200 of gets his feet wet. In the NFL, a lot 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:51.680 of the same thing, you know that the Ravens did 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:55.080 with Lamar in the beginning the remember Lamar's rookie year. 0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.160 Well, he was running Joe Flacco's offense, but. 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:00.600 He was a run like they were using him in 0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.280 like an option style offense right out of the gate 0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:07.640 under Greg Roman, and then as he kind of developed 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.319 as a passer and as he got more comfortable as 0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:13.800 an NFL passer, they started adding more and more onto 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:14.719 his plate. 0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:15.240 As a thrower. 0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.920 Then obviously they they bring in you know, Todd Mounkin, 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:20.920 and they do it, they take it to. 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:21.720 A whole other level. 0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:24.759 I think Jaden Daniels needs to be on a similar track. 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.480 It's it's also the same way that the Eagles treated 0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.000 Jalen Hurts, you know, like he comes into the league 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.960 and a lot of what he's doing is RPO read option, 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.640 you know that sort of thing, and then as they 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:38.600 look at him, they're like, oh wow, he can actually 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.640 do more as a thrower. He's getting more comfortable, we 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.400 add more into like the traditional type of offense. 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:46.640 I think Jaden Daniels is the same way. 0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:49.640 And I don't know if that this offense is necessarily 0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:53.120 the greatest fan And that's like what my one real 0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.960 knock on Van Pelt, like the other stuff of it's 0:34:57.000 --> 0:35:00.520 not what everybody wanted, and it's not you know whatever, 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:06.040 Like it doesn't necessarily matter at this point. But they've 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:08.759 moved on from him in Cleveland because they wanted to 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.120 go in a different direction with Deshaun Watson. 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:13.800 Like that's why he's not there anymore, right. 0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:18.000 Because they felt like this system wasn't a fit for 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.520 Deshaun Watson and it wasn't bringing out the best in 0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:24.760 Deshaun Watson. And I'm not saying that it's they're completely 0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:26.440 the same player or anything. 0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:28.840 Like that, but if you had to say, who was 0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:30.520 Jaden Daniels. 0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:34.400 More like Joe Flacco or Baker Mayfield or Deshaun Watson, 0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:37.480 Like we're all gonna say Deshaun Watson, you know. And 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:40.799 I think that's a real not a concern, but a 0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:42.680 real question for Alex van Pelt. 0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:44.960 If you're girod Mayo and you're Elliott Wolf. 0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:48.520 Is is this do you have to run the offense 0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:50.239 this way? Is this what you know and this is 0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.560 what you're comfortable with or is this just what you 0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:55.839 were doing because this is what Stefanski wanted you to do, right? 0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:59.520 And that I think is a big question because if 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:02.520 this is my offense and we got to figure it 0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:06.080 out running it this way, then they have to. 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:07.800 Get the right quarterback for that type of offense. 0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:10.440 All right, let's move over to the defensive side of 0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:13.359 the ball. Here to Marcus Covington's the defensive coordinator. This 0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:16.439 one's kind of filled out. Jerry Montgomers the defensive line coach. 0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:19.759 Mike Reese reported last night that Brian Belichick is back. 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:22.120 He didn't confirm he's going to be the safety's coach, 0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:24.160 but I mean, I think we can imagine that would 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:27.319 be the case. So you're still waiting on linebackers, and 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.160 we haven't heard anything one way or the other on 0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.719 Mike Pellegrino, So we don't know whether or not the 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:35.799 cornerbacks coach is something Patriots will be hiring. But I mean, 0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:37.880 I think we all we've talked a lot about Covington 0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:40.600 as a potential DC, even before he was hired. What's 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:42.640 your initial rate on Jerry Montgomery. 0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:47.040 Well, it's kind of positive and negative. I think the 0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:48.040 positive is a. 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:50.279 Lot of the Packers players have come out and said, 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:52.800 you know, you guys got a great one. Think it 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:53.680 was like Kenny. 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:56.320 Clark went on Twitter and said, you know, the Patriots 0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:58.560 got a great coach, And I think that the one 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.160 thing that you look at in Green Bay. They've done 0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.719 a really nice job of developing those interior guys like 0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:07.560 a Kenny Clark. They've done a nice job of pressuring 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:09.920 the quarterback with their front, but now they have good 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:12.239 players on their front, there's no doubt about that. But 0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:16.560 their defensive line has been a really good pressure defensive line. 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.520 But that said, they've been terrible against the run for 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:22.239 multiple years now in Green Bay, and I would say 0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:25.200 that they're undoing as a staff. And the reason why 0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:28.200 Joe Berry is not the defensive coordinator there anymore is 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:32.319 because they can't stop the run. So that when you 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:35.160 have a defense that's thirty second against the run and 0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:38.680 he's the defensive line coach. That for all the reasons 0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:41.319 why we gave the Marcus Covington his flowers right for 0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:44.080 the Patriots run defense being good, we have to kind 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:47.359 of be fair and play both sides of it. But 0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:51.520 I would say that that was more maybe schematic of 0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:54.720 like Joe Barry was a big, too high believer, played 0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:57.560 a lot of Fangio style quarters and things like that, 0:37:57.880 --> 0:37:58.320 so they. 0:37:58.160 --> 0:37:59.920 Played a lot of light boxes. They played a lot 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:00.880 light defense. 0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:03.560 So I don't know if that was necessarily on the 0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:06.000 defensive line coach that that's just how they wanted to 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.440 play defense, right, like that was their brand. 0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:11.120 Which isn't gonna be the case I would imagine under Covington. 0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:16.040 No, but I'm not overly concerned about that because they 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:18.719 do still have Covington and Mayo in the building, and 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.440 they obviously have been scheming a great run defense for 0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:24.440 the last couple of years. So it's it's I like, 0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:28.480 you know, another kind of experienced guy, another guy that 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:31.320 that's been around and and has you know, shown his 0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.959 muscle a little bit there and developing players in Green Bay. 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:38.680 You know, they've gone into decent amount out of that 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:42.520 defensive line. So I'm encouraged by that one, and I 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:45.120 think it's really nice that that Brian will be back. 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.600 I think that the one thing that was a little 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:51.360 bit concerning about the defensive staff was that they weren't 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:54.000 you know, they had DeMarcus Covington, they had Drod Mayo, 0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:58.080 but they really had nobody that had secondary experience back 0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:02.040 yet in this system. You know, Steve was obviously a 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:04.960 secondary coach for a while. You don't know if Brian's 0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:07.319 coming back, and then you don't know if Pelgreno's coming back. 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:09.719 I Reese tweeted out a couple of days ago that 0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:14.000 like Projection. Remember we talked about it briefly and he 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.319 had Brian on there, and then he confirmed last night 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:18.960 that Brian's coming back. So something tells me that Mike 0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.840 is hearing whispers that Pelgrino might be coming back also, 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:25.080 So I think that would be encouraging if both of 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:25.799 those guys are back. 0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:28.160 Yeah, I mean, Mike Pellegrino's done a great job Patriots 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:30.560 cornbacks last year, they weren't great, but that was just 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:33.280 for reasons outside his control. I's side of Mike Pelgrino's control. 0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:36.680 But you look at what they did, you know, just 0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.520 just churning some of these slate around guys out or 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:41.640 free agent pickups out. I mean, look, no it's not 0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:44.160 the you know, the biggest example, but even a guy 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:47.080 like Alex Austin last year, who they got after Thanksgiving 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:50.840 and he was making plas in December. Like Mike Pellegrino 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:52.560 does a good job and I'd love to see him back. 0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:57.239 I think Jeremy Springer was hired last time we did 0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:59.440 the show, so I don't know if you have any 0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:01.719 more thoughts on him. I'm still it was the assistant 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:04.720 for the worst ranked special teams unit that really didn't 0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:08.880 allocate any resources towards special teams. Let's see what happened. 0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:10.719 I mean, I think we all assume Matthews later is 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:12.400 going to retire, but let's see kind of how that 0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:16.799 unit shakes out personnel wise. That's a pretty personal dependent role. 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:20.640 I mean, they all are. But we'll see what happens there. 0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:22.799 I think you kind of wait and see with that one, 0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:25.319 because he obviously wasn't in a great situation last year 0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:26.399 and it didn't go well last year. 0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:28.919 Yeah, yeah, I agree with that, all. 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.200 Right, Front office, and then we'll go to the phones 0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:33.120 in your emails. You got a bunch of emails today, 0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:35.600 plus your calls eight five to five, pats five hundred. 0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:38.880 But front office, we finally got the answer to the 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:41.480 question yesterday, and Evan, excuse me, I want to start 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:46.080 with this. I don't care. I do not care if 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:49.839 the Patriots name a GM anymore. I couldn't care less 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:52.080 if the papers were giving out that title. 0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:54.480 That's what I mean, Give him the title. 0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:57.520 I don't care. It's it's give him the title, don't 0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:00.720 it's academic. There's so many people. Yeah, yes, they were pissed, 0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:03.120 like oh, but they still don't have a GM. No, 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:07.160 that's what that report was. I've talked about this Evan 0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:12.120 final say roster control. That's what matters. Call him the GM, 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:15.719 call him the director, player personnel, call him the prince 0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:18.600 in New England. I don't care. Call him for breakfast. 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:20.960 I don't care what you call him. They have the 0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:23.360 structure in place. That's what mattered. That's what was important. 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:26.120 That's what we learned yesterday. That was not an incomplete report. 0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:29.680 The titles will come. It was reported yesterday by a 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:35.240 couple of people, Andrew Callahan, Mark Daniels that the titles 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:38.000 are still being worked out. They all know what they're doing, 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:42.799 regardless of what the title is. You know, call him 0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:46.560 lead mechanic. Matt grow knows what he's doing. Elliot Wolf 0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:49.440 knows what he's doing. Cam Williams knows what he's doing. 0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:51.680 Pat Stewart knows what he's doing. They all know what 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.799 they're doing. It's been organized. The titles will come. They 0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:58.680 probably won't get reported for a couple months after their renownce, 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:00.600 so they will know him in the building before we do. 0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:03.360 I don't care whether we know the titles or not. 0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:08.080 The hierarchies in place. It's Elliott Wolf's show. He has 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.680 final say. Matt Grow is still going to run the 0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:14.600 scouting department. So ironically, their titles from last year basically 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:17.600 flipped when Grow was the director of player Personnel and 0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:21.359 Wolf was the director of scouting. Those are still they're 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:24.480 listed titles. Those are basically holdovers from last year. Those 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:28.959 are basically their twenty three titles. So yeah, you flip those. 0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:35.480 Alonzo high Smith loved the hire first off, certified badass. Yes, 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:37.920 played at the U back when that meant something, won 0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:40.440 a title. Was their leading rusher in the eighties. You 0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:43.640 in the eighties. Third overall pick. So a guy that 0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:45.520 knows a thing or two about the third overall pick, 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:47.440 which the Patriots obviously we'll need to learn a lot 0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:50.279 about here in the next couple of months. A guy 0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:51.759 that's seen a lot of football in a lot of 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:53.600 different places, in a lot of different settings, in a 0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:56.600 lot of different roles, going to be a very valuable resource. 0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:02.400 My one question, and this is maybe more semantics than 0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:05.560 anything else. After I just railed against the semantics of titles. 0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:09.839 I get the hypocrisy here, But that report yesterday from 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.440 rap Report. All right, so GROW's gonna run the big picture, 0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:16.759 or sorry, Wolt's gonna run the big picture. GROW's gonna 0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:20.200 run scouting. High Smith pat Stewart are kind of there 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:23.720 a senior advisors all around. I think Pat Stewart probably 0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:28.040 is your assistant director of Player Personnel, VP of Player Personnel, 0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:30.800 something like that. High Smith just got like a senior 0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:35.480 executive advisor title. Cameron Williams not included in that report, 0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:37.279 which stood out to me a little bit because he's 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.560 somebody I know has been thought of highly in the building. 0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.640 It brings the angle of having been a Division one 0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:47.080 football player. Obviously, his previous ties the organization through his dad, 0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:49.279 somebody who had felt like was building a lot of 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.640 momentum in the organization, was at the Senior Bowl. So 0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:53.600 it's not like he's not a part of the front 0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:55.880 office anymore. I just thought it was interesting he was 0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:58.920 absent in that, but overall we got the answer. If 0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:00.640 the plan was to keep it in house, I think 0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:04.160 this is the right structure to do that. And that's 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:06.440 I guess that's my front office rant. Go ahead. 0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:10.000 Yeah, So I think the first place to start for 0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:14.240 me is with Elliott Wolf and you talk to people 0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:16.000 and you know, I was talking to people at the 0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:16.600 Senior Bowl. 0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:19.279 But when you talk to people, this is a long 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:20.839 time coming for Elliott. 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:22.560 Wolf to have a chance to run a football, run 0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:26.360 a teams as the general manager whatever you know, title 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:29.920 you want to use, but technically as the general manager. 0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:30.719 You know. 0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:34.239 He he spent fourteen years in Green Bay with his father, 0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:37.480 coming through the ranks there, you know, paid his dues, 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:40.080 started from the bottom, went all the way up to 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:45.240 Director of player Personnel, director of football operations. In twenty eighteen, 0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:51.080 Ted Thompson retires right right, it retires in green Bay, 0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:54.720 and it was really between Elliott Wolf and Bridan Gouden 0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:59.439 Kut's to replace him, and the Packers ended up going 0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:04.279 with Goody obviously, and Elliott Wolf goes to Cleveland under 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:07.400 John Dorsey, is the assistant general manager there for a 0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:09.880 couple of years and then comes to New England and 0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:12.400 works up at you know, the Totem Pole here in 0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:16.000 New England. So we're talking about a guy after I 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:18.040 just laid out, like, forget about who his father is 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:20.520 for a second, because you know, I think that holds 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:22.759 some weight too when your your father is a Hall 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:23.920 of Fame executive too. 0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:27.280 But you know, forget about that for a second. 0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:32.840 I just described like twenty years of NFL front office experience. 0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:34.480 He's a real GM resume. 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:37.960 One hundred percent one hundred percent real GM resume. 0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:41.320 And I think that that's what is important to remember, 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:43.719 because I think a lot of people are saying, well, 0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:46.480 you know, why didn't they didn't go outside the building again, 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:50.040 and it's this internal promotion and it's just Ron Wolfe's 0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:52.960 kid and like all this type of stuff. No, the 0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:56.239 Elliott Wolf has paid his dues, Elliott Wolf has been 0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:59.400 around the block, Elliott Wolf has a great reputation around 0:45:59.440 --> 0:45:59.840 the league. 0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:02.279 I think he's gonna do a really good job with this. 0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:04.000 And I think one of the big things. 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:05.880 Do you think there's a chance if they didn't promote 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.000 Elliot Wolf, somebody else might might have hired him as 0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:09.080 an AGM or a GM. 0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:12.279 I think it's definitely possible, and I think he would 0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:13.280 have been looking elsewhere. 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.880 I know that he did look else for was that two. 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:21.360 Years ago that he interviewed for some positions outside the 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:25.279 building or maybe that was last year. The point is 0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:29.520 that he is more than qualified to run the Patriots, 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:32.680 more than qualified. And I think the other thing that 0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:36.880 you look at is that over the last couple of 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:39.920 years they've put macro a little bit more in the 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:43.239 public eye as director of player Personnel. He's done some 0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:47.520 press conferences, you know, he's been around the media a 0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:53.080 little bit, and frankly, it's it's not becoming for him, 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:58.000 Like he's just not very good at the public facing stuff. 0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.719 And when you're the top of the totem pole in 0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:04.600 the front office and you're the top executive in an organization, 0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:06.280 that sort of thing matters. 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:10.719 And your station, Alex, how many times has your station. 0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:13.920 Played if you want fast Guys draft Fast Guys, right, Like, 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.319 how many times have we played that? And I think 0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:20.840 that at this point, Elliott Wolf, I think is a 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:24.000 little bit more statesman. He he's a little bit more 0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:26.880 of a guy that can than can handle himself in 0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:30.240 those public settings and is a little bit more impressive 0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:33.520 in that manner. And so in a lot of ways, 0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:35.520 I look at this and I think that this sort 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:39.120 of hierarchy in the front office is really the way 0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:44.080 it should have been all along. But for most likely 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:46.880 because Bill just you know, you know, that's just Bill's mo. 0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:51.479 Bill promoted mac rowe to director or player personnel because 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:53.600 that was one of his guys, right like that he. 0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:55.160 Made in this league. 0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:59.120 But in reality, Elliott Wolf has been doing a lot 0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:02.960 of the quote unquote GM responsibilities behind the scenes, you know, 0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:07.719 negotiating contracts and speaking to free agents and things like that. 0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:11.360 So now everybody gets to go back to their comfort zones, 0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:14.000 Like everybody gets to do what they actually should be doing, 0:48:14.400 --> 0:48:17.920 which is Macro is essentially a college scout. And I 0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:20.720 think this is where your your question about Cameron Williams 0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:24.800 does become interesting to me because when I look at this, 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:29.280 it isn't Macro just basically like a college scouting director. 0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:32.040 Yeah, he's director of Amateur Scouting. 0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:35.799 It just doesn't really seem like he's you know, that's 0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:38.840 the title that Cameron Williams has currently. 0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:42.600 Right, Well, so what's or maybe grows the director of scouting. 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:44.040 Maybe it's amateur and pro? 0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:45.560 Sure. 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:48.360 I just I look at the pro side of it, 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:53.160 and I think that that's where Pat Stewart and Elliott 0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:55.880 Wolf have really made their hay in the league. 0:48:56.560 --> 0:48:58.279 And I think that Elliott Wolf is going to be 0:48:58.360 --> 0:48:59.280 running free agency. 0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:01.520 I think that he is going to have uh the 0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:05.840 biggest hand in that and and and defining identifying those players. 0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:09.000 So I think there, you know, there's a couple of things. 0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:10.160 That are. 0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:13.960 The bottom line is is that are they good at 0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:16.160 picking players or are they not right? Like, that's what 0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:18.840 we're going to find out that in whether or not 0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:22.279 that that remains to be seen. But I just think 0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:24.399 that it's important to keep in mind that Elliott Wolf 0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:28.120 has definitely earned this opportunity and is somebody that a 0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:30.759 lot of people around the league are like, yep, like 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.719 you know, finally, you know, someone has finally given him 0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:35.800 the keys and that makes a lot of sense and 0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:37.000 and things like that. 0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:40.560 So I'm encouraged by it. I think that it's also 0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:41.400 encouraging that. 0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:46.440 He's not he's really not of the Belichick school, like 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:49.040 he's been with Belichick the last couple of years, but 0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:51.959 that's not where he came up. No, he was brought 0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:53.880 up as a Packers scout, you know, like he's a 0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:55.759 Packers guy. So I'm encouraged by it. 0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:57.520 All Right, we got a bunch of calls, a bunch 0:49:57.560 --> 0:49:59.320 of emails, Let's get through some of these. Is basically 0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:00.960 gonna be a second hand for the program today. So 0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:02.520 if you want to call an eight five five pass 0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:04.799 five hundred who do have one open line will open 0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:06.880 some more up as we take these calls, starting with 0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:12.400 our friend Eldred in North Carolina. Eldrick, good morning, Good morning. 0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:16.440 So let's tell y'all doing. I love you, man, I 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.880 don't wanna pick with you again. Okay, I understand the 0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:24.560 stematic you're saying that Drake May fits whatever I could do. 0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:28.200 Are we got this a coordinator? But my but my 0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:31.239 question is what's making him a good fit? Cause, like 0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:33.440 you said, you got working him as a thrower, and 0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:37.040 like your buddy Bart said, the pure pastor is I'm 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:40.080 still gonna stick with Pennis and I, you know, like 0:50:40.160 --> 0:50:43.040 I said, I think he's a better quarterback. And then 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:47.120 Williams don't want to come come to New England or Chicago, 0:50:47.640 --> 0:50:50.480 but he get drafted, probably want to get traded. But again, 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:52.400 I'm gonna ask you why you think May is a 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:55.479 good fit for everybody in North Carolina saying he's another 0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:58.320 hes gonna be another Wilson. 0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:03.359 Out All right? Thanks to call? All right, all right, 0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:05.520 thanks to call. I want to clarify someone. When we 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:07.360 were talking about, you know, who's the better fit? I 0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:10.400 was just between May and Daniels in that question, Caleb 0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:12.360 Williams is going at the top of the draft. Michael 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:14.480 Pennox would also be a tremendous fit, I think in 0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:15.720 Alex Van Pelt's offense. 0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:17.719 Yeah, I agree with that. 0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:20.280 If you want to clarify on Drake May. 0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:23.000 Yeah, I mean, look, the big the biggest things with 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:26.319 Drake May that are positives are his ability to throw 0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:29.520 in the middle of the field and his vertical throws 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:31.640 right like, he's a very good vertical thrower. 0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:34.080 Drop it in the bucket, drive the ball down the field, 0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:35.279 drive it up the. 0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:38.040 Seam, hit the post, you know those types of things, 0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:40.640 And that's what this offense is all about. You know, 0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:44.160 this offense is let's play action, let's bootleg off of it. 0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:47.080 We got the big post down the field. If it's got, 0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:49.560 if there's no safety up top, we're gonna throw it 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:51.200 over the top and we're gonna try to hit the 0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:54.399 big play. That that's Drake May right there. That that's 0:51:54.680 --> 0:51:57.160 that's something that he can do. He's got the mobility 0:51:57.200 --> 0:51:59.440 to get outside the pocket, he can throw on the 0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:01.880 move on the bootlegs like all that kind of stuff. 0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:02.520 I agree with you. 0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:04.239 I think Penix would be a decent fit in this 0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:07.080 offense as well. If I had to rank it of 0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:09.560 who were the best fits in this offense, I would 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:11.520 say number one would be Drake May. 0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:15.040 Yeah, I wouldn't be May. I might say Penis would 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:17.440 be number two because of how good of a vertical. 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:19.680 Thrower he is. He's kind of Day two Drake May 0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:20.920 in a way, isn't he. I Mean he doesn't have 0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:24.400 the mobility, but that's why he's Day too. But I 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:27.480 mean that's a lot of Washington's offense was play action 0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:30.560 deep shots because hey, Dylan Johnson, who's a great running back. 0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:32.880 They'd run the ball with Dylan Johnson, sucked the opposing 0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:34.719 defense up and then hit it over the top. Now 0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:37.360 it was more at a shotgun and there wasn't as 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:40.480 much of that that bootleg stuff. But the core concepts, 0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:44.080 there's a lot of similar quick they got They got 0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:46.120 to the end goal the same way. They just approached 0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:48.880 it a little differently. They just kind of same picture, 0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:50.000 just a different frame on it. 0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:53.239 So yeah, yeah, and look, I don't know what the 0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:55.880 people down there in North Carolina are saying, Elder, but 0:52:56.600 --> 0:52:57.239 you know, I I. 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:00.480 They all kind of trust myself on this they all 0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:02.880 thought Sam Hall and Mitch Trubisky were going to be excellent, 0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:06.520 so maybe we maybe we flip it. Let's go to 0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:08.160 Nick in Omaha. Nick. 0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:14.960 Hey, you guys, that's it going good. Okay, I got 0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:18.759 a question for Evan and uh it's a bit of 0:53:18.840 --> 0:53:21.560 a nerdy exos question. So I feel like you can 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:24.040 have some fun here, Alex. You can, you know, feel 0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:26.360 free to time and it doesn't as meks, But okay, 0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:30.600 So I I I played football like my whole life, 0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.360 and I've watched it a whole life, so I just 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:37.400 like I know a little bit about football. I'm not 0:53:37.440 --> 0:53:40.160 the smartest guy in the room, but I I play 0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:42.879 just play too much Madden. I played like a ton 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:45.239 of Madden. And it's it's it's not even for like 0:53:45.280 --> 0:53:48.279 the multiplayer, it's just purely for the franchise set and contracts. 0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:50.799 You sound more like me question than question. Yeah. 0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:57.520 Yeah, I I just was I was starting this franchise 0:53:57.719 --> 0:53:59.800 and you know, you took your scheme and everything and 0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:03.560 going through the offense, and I feel like I know 0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:08.280 a lot about offensive schemes a West Coast you know power, 0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:11.080 you know, zone run, whatever, But when it came to defense, 0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:14.160 I feel like I was pretty ignorant on a lot 0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:17.360 of those titles, so I was curious in your opinion, 0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:19.719 you know, if it's like a base four three or 0:54:19.800 --> 0:54:24.000 you know whatever, just in today's NFL as it's mainly 0:54:24.080 --> 0:54:27.880 a passing league. Do you is there a certain scheme 0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:31.880 that you feel is the best to kind of utilize 0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:34.440 your defense with. And then I mean, also the main 0:54:34.480 --> 0:54:36.400 reason why I'm bring us to the show is because 0:54:37.960 --> 0:54:39.880 I'm curious how this relates to the pagotes, like what 0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:41.600 we're seeing in the past and what we can see 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:45.440 in the future with our defense. I will probably have 0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:47.239 a ton of follow up questions, but I'll just take 0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:49.880 it off the air and listen in. But thanks guys, right, 0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:50.399 thanks Nick. 0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:52.839 I'll tell you this. Sevan Madden still makes you run 0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:54.799 base three four or four three like way too much. 0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:57.320 Their playbooks are not caught up to the modern So 0:54:57.840 --> 0:54:59.920 when you pick like three four, there's like you can 0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:02.600 four three four three over four three, disguise three four 0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:06.040 over three four, diskuys things like that. You really have 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:08.719 to pick because it's not so easy to be like, yeah, 0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:10.320 this is my pick, but I'm just gonna go in 0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:12.040 in Nickel or I'm just gonna go and die the 0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:15.200 whole time. So however, that frames your answer. I think 0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:18.279 he's asking what defense he should run in Madden, right, 0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:21.560 I like, I like three four disguis personally, that's what 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:23.239 I usually that I. 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:26.440 Can't answer for you because I don't know which one's 0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:27.240 the most effective. 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:30.960 But honestly, I think of defensive schemes. 0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:33.800 Nowadays more from like the back to the front instead 0:55:33.800 --> 0:55:36.560 of the front of the back, because everything is about 0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:40.920 stopping the past, right. So there's really there's three schools, 0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:44.200 but like there's really two main ones, and then one 0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:46.960 is just kind of like Mike McDonald and you know 0:55:47.320 --> 0:55:52.880 him being ridiculous, right, But they're the main schools right 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:58.400 now are like the Belichick's Disciple school of single. 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:01.279 High man coverage, you know that sort of thing. 0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:05.200 And then the other school is kind of the Fangio people, right, 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:07.920 who are running the palms and the corners and the 0:56:08.000 --> 0:56:11.120 too high stuff. So I think a lot of the 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:14.680 league is going more towards Fangio, and even the Patriots 0:56:14.719 --> 0:56:18.080 have run a little bit more too high coverage recently. 0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:21.319 But I think the one thing that is definitely key 0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:23.800 for a lot of these defenses is how do you 0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:27.480 then you know, take it and then marry the pass 0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:30.080 rush to that. And I think a lot of defenses 0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:33.759 nowadays are running a lot more exotic blitzes, and this 0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:35.799 is I think a lot of the main reason why 0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:38.840 defense has caught up to offense a little bit is 0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:41.399 because they have gotten to a little of some more 0:56:41.520 --> 0:56:45.040 answers on the defensive side of the ball for how 0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:48.440 to generate pressure without sacrificing numbers in the back end. 0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:51.160 Because before it was like, all right, well we can 0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:53.200 blitz five or six guys, but then we only have 0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:55.680 five or six guys in coverage to cover up everything. 0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:59.520 Right now it's we're gonna show blitz, We're only going 0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:01.600 to actually rush four, but you still are gonna have 0:57:01.640 --> 0:57:03.480 to treat it like a blitz, and then we are 0:57:03.640 --> 0:57:07.360 we still have our seven man coverage structure. So I 0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:10.320 would say that, you know, personally, I still think that 0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:13.719 the that the Belichick are now probably more the Mayo 0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:16.640 defense in the Covington defense of the Patriots are gonna 0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:19.000 run next year. There's still definitely a place for that 0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:20.760 in the league. But if I had to say, the 0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:24.480 prevalent scheme, like what's the Shanahan scheme. But on defense 0:57:25.000 --> 0:57:29.160 right now, it's it's definitely Fangio's defense, and I think. 0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:31.280 That makes it. I've said, well, maybe it's not so 0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:34.440 much Fangio, but the like Seattle Cover three, right, that 0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:35.200 zone thing. 0:57:36.120 --> 0:57:39.400 Yeah, so Seattle like started it and then right you know, 0:57:39.600 --> 0:57:42.640 teams got so good at taking down Seattle's Cover three 0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:44.920 that they had to. You know, a lot of those 0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:47.560 Seattle three teams have sort of moreped the more quarters 0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:50.960 based defenses and to kind of combat some of the 0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:52.120 things that they were seeing. 0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:54.200 It's just it's funny you compare it to Shanahan though, 0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:56.480 because we've talked about this off the year before that 0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:04.280 the Seattle three is too cornerbacks what the Shanahan offense 0:58:04.360 --> 0:58:07.640 is to quarterbacks. And not to take anything away from 0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:11.160 sauce Gardner, but you look at what sauce Gardner's asked 0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:14.880 to do, and of course he's dominant at it because 0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:16.720 he's an elite athlete and he's basically just asked to 0:58:16.760 --> 0:58:21.000 be an elite athlete. And I think it's like every 0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:24.400 system is meant to prioritize and emphasize. Certainly, that's just 0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:27.600 how it works. Every system is meant to, all right, 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:29.280 we're gonna make it easier on this group in the 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:31.240 trade office, is gonna be harder on this group, but 0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:33.200 we're gonna build this group up more. Like we talked 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:35.760 about how the old Patriots offense puts so much, so much, 0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:38.000 so much emphasis on the quarterback, and then you have 0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:40.760 the Shanahan offense that puts more emphasis on the receivers 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:43.120 in the running backs to kind of beat the playmaker. 0:58:43.160 --> 0:58:45.160 It's the same thing on defense as well, and it 0:58:45.200 --> 0:58:47.640 feels like, who are you putting that emphasis on. Is 0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:49.320 it gonna be on the pass rushers, is gonna be 0:58:49.360 --> 0:58:51.240 on the corners, is gonna be the linebackers? Like it's 0:58:51.240 --> 0:58:53.600 the same kind of thing. Personally, I still think if 0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:55.880 you can run man coverage, run it. I still think 0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:58.600 man coverage is the more effective coverage. But the reason 0:58:58.680 --> 0:59:01.400 everybody doesn't run it is it's hard and you really 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:03.520 need to have the right personnel where you can maybe 0:59:03.600 --> 0:59:05.400 get away with a little less if you're in zone 0:59:05.680 --> 0:59:07.880 because the scheme itself sort of elevates. But part of 0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:09.880 that is you have to have a really good pass rush. 0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:12.760 For years, the Patriots got by not necessarily having elite 0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:15.919 pass rushers because their corners were so good, didn't matter 0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:17.919 if the quarterback had five seconds in the pocket because 0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:20.200 nobody was getting open for five seconds. And then in 0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:22.280 the last couple of years they've kind of flipped where 0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:24.920 the corners haven't been as good. But you have Matt Chewton, 0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:27.520 you have Josh Shoojay, you have Christian Barmore. So maybe 0:59:27.560 --> 0:59:29.640 the corners can only cover for three seconds, but that's 0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:31.840 fine because you're getting to the quarterback in two and 0:59:31.880 --> 0:59:35.240 a half. That's how I view defensive football. It's basically, 0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:37.600 who are you putting the onus on in your system? 0:59:37.840 --> 0:59:39.760 Who are you putting the onus on to elevate? Is 0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:41.320 it up front or is it on the back end. 0:59:41.560 --> 0:59:43.000 As long as you have one of the two, you'll 0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:44.919 be in okay shape. And I mean, you have great 0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:47.520 defenses that can do both where you can get to 0:59:47.560 --> 0:59:50.280 the quarterback in two seconds and have the thing covered 0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:53.200 for you know, five six seconds down the field. But 0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:55.320 that's you know, one or two defense that we're talking 0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:57.240 about the Baltimore Ravens at this point, we're talking about 0:59:57.240 --> 1:00:00.400 having Justin Mattabeka one level and Kyle Hamilton at another, 1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:01.640 with Patrick Queen in the middle. 1:00:02.640 --> 1:00:05.640 Yeah, well, i'd be interesting to see, especially if they 1:00:05.680 --> 1:00:08.640 win the Super Bowl on Sunday. You know Steve Spagnolo 1:00:08.680 --> 1:00:11.600 and what he's done in Kansas City with that defense. 1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:15.280 It's an exotic scheme. They blitzed like crazy, They spin 1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:18.120 the dial like crazy. They put a lot of stress 1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:21.080 on their dbs to tackle in space and playing on 1:00:21.240 --> 1:00:23.360 islands and things like that, and that's why they you know, 1:00:23.440 --> 1:00:25.520 Trent McDuffie was a great pick for them because he 1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:27.880 that's what he does. You know, he's a great tackler 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:29.880 and a great play speed and that. 1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:30.560 Type of stuff. 1:00:31.160 --> 1:00:33.800 Well, it'd be interesting to see if they that's you know, 1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:35.920 people try to emulate that a little bit more. I 1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:38.520 don't know if you can without spags, Like that's sort 1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:40.960 of the difficult part there, kind of like when I 1:00:41.040 --> 1:00:44.280 brought up Mike McDonald earlier with Baltimore, well now Seattle. 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:47.800 So it'd be interesting to see how that sort of 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:50.840 moves forward, because I do think that there is a 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:54.000 lot of good things about the Fangio scheme. There's a 1:00:54.040 --> 1:00:57.520 lot of good things about Bill's scheme obviously, but those 1:00:57.640 --> 1:01:00.280 things are are starting to kind of pass by to 1:01:00.840 --> 1:01:04.200 some more blitz heavy, more exotic type of defenses. 1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:07.680 All right, let's go. So Eldridge spoke for the entire 1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:11.360 both states of the Carolinas and said, don't take Drake May. 1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:15.240 Anthony is in South Carolina. Does he have a rebuttal 1:01:15.320 --> 1:01:16.480 or does he agree? Anthony? 1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:18.880 Hey, good morning fellos. 1:01:18.880 --> 1:01:19.600 How you doing it? Morning? 1:01:20.680 --> 1:01:20.880 Good? 1:01:21.120 --> 1:01:25.520 That's kind a quick question. Is the uh, the comparison 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:29.320 between Drake May and uh jend and Dams like a 1:01:29.400 --> 1:01:33.160 big difference between their passing ability. I don't know if 1:01:33.160 --> 1:01:36.440 I believe I started correctly that jend and Dams had 1:01:36.440 --> 1:01:38.840 a better passing year than Joe Burrow. 1:01:40.760 --> 1:01:43.880 And also they go ahead, do you guys. 1:01:43.720 --> 1:01:46.920 Think that uh, we should go to a player more 1:01:47.000 --> 1:01:50.160 like Jenden Damns if the office's line isn't I say? 1:01:50.320 --> 1:01:53.919 Great that he can like move and take off because 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:55.280 he looks pretty fast on tape. 1:01:57.000 --> 1:01:59.360 Yeah, he's he's definitely fast, Anthony, thanks for all he 1:01:59.400 --> 1:02:01.240 should if he runs the combine, he's gonna run in 1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:06.840 the four fours. As for the I don't think Daniels 1:02:06.880 --> 1:02:09.360 had a better ear than Burrow. I mean that's one 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:11.880 of him and Cam Newton in twenty eleven, or like 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:17.640 the two greatest quarterback seasons since the turnth century. As 1:02:17.840 --> 1:02:22.520 for the comparison between him and May, I think Daniels 1:02:22.680 --> 1:02:26.840 is more of an outside the numbers thrower, whereas May's 1:02:26.920 --> 1:02:29.400 more evans as you've talked about the middle of the 1:02:29.440 --> 1:02:32.400 field guy, I think that's probably they both have big arms, 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:34.880 and they both can throw on the run. I think 1:02:34.920 --> 1:02:37.040 the chief difference is where they're throwing to. 1:02:38.200 --> 1:02:40.560 Yeah, I just look at Jayden Daniels and has nothing 1:02:40.600 --> 1:02:43.960 to do with like his passing ability. Like I don't 1:02:44.000 --> 1:02:46.600 want to get caught up in all that, but it 1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:49.680 just when I look at Jayden Daniels, I look at 1:02:49.720 --> 1:02:54.280 somebody that ideally, it's a lot like going back and 1:02:54.680 --> 1:02:57.600 we used the Deshaun Watson you know, kind of conversation 1:02:57.720 --> 1:03:00.520 earlier when we were talking about Alex van Pelp, when 1:03:01.000 --> 1:03:05.680 Deshaun Watson was in Houston with Bill O'Brien. They they 1:03:05.840 --> 1:03:11.400 basically took the Patriots twenty eleven offense and said, we're 1:03:11.480 --> 1:03:14.000 just gonna put to Shaan Watson in the gun, in 1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:18.320 the spread, and he's just gonna make something happen, Like 1:03:18.360 --> 1:03:21.320 if there's something in structure there, then he's gonna take it, 1:03:21.640 --> 1:03:22.800 make quick decision. 1:03:22.480 --> 1:03:25.000 With the football. If it's not, then he's gonna run 1:03:25.040 --> 1:03:25.840 around and make a play. 1:03:26.360 --> 1:03:29.640 And if I'm Jayden Daniels, I think that that's where 1:03:30.400 --> 1:03:32.560 I would much rather build the offense with him. I 1:03:32.680 --> 1:03:35.120 at first, I, like I said earlier, with guys like 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:38.040 Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, I would start with the option 1:03:38.200 --> 1:03:40.480 stuff as well. Like I think it's important to get 1:03:40.560 --> 1:03:42.400 him into that sort of offense right out of the 1:03:42.480 --> 1:03:42.880 gate too. 1:03:43.320 --> 1:03:46.080 But he's built to be in a spread offense like 1:03:46.200 --> 1:03:50.160 he should be in the gun spread field, you know, 1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:51.320 option style. 1:03:52.080 --> 1:03:55.560 Let's just pick him apart that way, Whereas I think 1:03:56.080 --> 1:03:58.200 Drake may is a little bit more of that like 1:03:58.360 --> 1:04:03.320 traditional pocket passer, where you know he's somebody that is 1:04:03.440 --> 1:04:06.480 going to run play action room under center. He's somebody 1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:08.080 that is going to be able to read the middle 1:04:08.080 --> 1:04:09.960 of the field and pick apart the middle of the field. 1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:13.600 He's somebody that's going to be able to maybe early on, 1:04:14.200 --> 1:04:17.400 have a better feel for like timing and anticipation and 1:04:17.520 --> 1:04:19.920 reads in the middle of the field. I think that's 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:22.080 the one thing when you watch Jayden Daniels on film 1:04:22.240 --> 1:04:23.720 who I love, by the way, like I feel like 1:04:23.800 --> 1:04:26.320 I am like people always think I'm like trashing him. 1:04:27.720 --> 1:04:30.600 When you watch him on film, though he passes. 1:04:30.280 --> 1:04:33.440 Up a lot of open throws between the numbers, like 1:04:33.560 --> 1:04:37.560 crossing routes and cuts things like that, and he doesn't 1:04:37.600 --> 1:04:40.320 always have the best timing in between the numbers. So 1:04:40.720 --> 1:04:42.760 I just look at him as somebody that I want 1:04:43.160 --> 1:04:45.640 to be in that spread formation, to be in the 1:04:45.720 --> 1:04:49.800 gun and just let him cook, right, Whereas with Dreg May, 1:04:50.400 --> 1:04:52.160 I think that he's a little bit more of that, 1:04:52.400 --> 1:04:53.720 like traditional. 1:04:55.000 --> 1:04:58.760 NFL passer. There's nothing wrong with being Jaden Daniels. 1:04:59.160 --> 1:05:02.000 It's just if I'm and see I'm making sure that 1:05:02.120 --> 1:05:04.840 I'm putting him in a position to succeed. And I 1:05:04.960 --> 1:05:08.080 don't necessarily think that that is by making him run 1:05:08.200 --> 1:05:12.360 like seven step drop play action bootleg nonsense, like, I 1:05:12.520 --> 1:05:12.800 just don't. 1:05:12.840 --> 1:05:14.400 I don't think that that's gonna help him out. 1:05:14.560 --> 1:05:16.680 Let me ask you this, who's a better fit in 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:20.800 Cliff Kingsbury's offense, Oh, Jade and Daniels one hund Okay, 1:05:21.480 --> 1:05:23.800 So the reason I asked that, And I'm sure a 1:05:23.840 --> 1:05:26.480 lot of people can tell where I'm going, So say, 1:05:26.520 --> 1:05:30.440 Kayleb Williams goes one one. Yeah, it sounds like he's 1:05:30.480 --> 1:05:34.640 going to a lot of people wrote off, Drake made 1:05:34.640 --> 1:05:37.919 to the Patriots when they got the third pick. Yeah, 1:05:38.320 --> 1:05:41.200 just Cliff go to go to Scott h Scott Peters, 1:05:41.760 --> 1:05:46.040 Cliff go to Adam Peters and say hey, jayde and 1:05:46.080 --> 1:05:50.880 Daniels my guy and then basically deliver the Patriots Drake 1:05:50.960 --> 1:05:53.919 maya three Like I I think that's on the tape 1:05:55.240 --> 1:05:58.360 something I've thought about or the other thing. Does he 1:05:58.520 --> 1:06:01.080 go there and say you need a trade for Caleb Williams. 1:06:01.520 --> 1:06:04.160 The Paris Socides take the hall build around justin fields. 1:06:04.640 --> 1:06:07.680 They they take Marvin Harrison at two one way or 1:06:07.720 --> 1:06:09.600 the other. I think Cliff Kingsbury there's a good chance 1:06:09.640 --> 1:06:12.360 he delivers the Patriots. Drake May. Him going to Washington 1:06:12.400 --> 1:06:14.560 delivers the Patriots. Drake May. I think there's a real 1:06:14.680 --> 1:06:15.520 there's a real shot at that. 1:06:16.520 --> 1:06:17.720 Yeah, and I know that. 1:06:18.120 --> 1:06:20.680 Look, we've we've gone back and forth at times about 1:06:20.720 --> 1:06:23.040 Kyler and if we think Kyler is good or not 1:06:23.200 --> 1:06:27.440 and whatever, But bottom line is, when Kyler was healthy 1:06:28.280 --> 1:06:30.360 in Arizona, Cliff was getting a. 1:06:30.360 --> 1:06:33.400 Lot out of Kyler, all right, But the difference and 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:35.320 a runner and I look. 1:06:35.200 --> 1:06:37.880 At the way that they ran the offense in in Arizona, 1:06:38.440 --> 1:06:41.760 which was basically just an adapted air raid with the 1:06:42.160 --> 1:06:44.920 option runs and things like that sprinkled in there as well. 1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:48.560 Like that's Jayden Daniels would drive in that offense. He'd 1:06:48.600 --> 1:06:49.480 go crazy in that. 1:06:49.560 --> 1:06:53.720 Offense, and it's basically what he's running it, right. 1:06:53.680 --> 1:06:57.760 I mean it's it's I That's why I've always liked 1:06:57.840 --> 1:06:59.360 Cliff is because I think. 1:06:59.280 --> 1:07:00.080 That his off and. 1:07:01.560 --> 1:07:03.240 This is a lot of people have said all Cliff 1:07:03.320 --> 1:07:05.920 Kingsbury keeps failing up and like all, you know, like 1:07:06.000 --> 1:07:08.960 he's not actually successful and gets these jobs. I think 1:07:09.000 --> 1:07:11.120 the reason why he gets these jobs is because his 1:07:11.320 --> 1:07:14.840 offense fits the modern style of quarterback, Like when you 1:07:15.000 --> 1:07:19.200 get a guy like a Caleb Williams, like a Jayden Daniels, 1:07:19.560 --> 1:07:21.200 Like when you get your hands on a guy like that. 1:07:21.320 --> 1:07:25.800 As an organization, Cliff Kingsbury's offense, he's running a college 1:07:25.800 --> 1:07:28.680 style offense in the NFL, Right, that is going to 1:07:28.800 --> 1:07:31.480 bring out the best in those types of guys. So yeah, 1:07:31.560 --> 1:07:35.120 I would definitely. I don't really see the fit too 1:07:35.240 --> 1:07:39.000 much with with Drake May. Honestly, with with Cliff. That's 1:07:39.040 --> 1:07:41.640 not saying that Drake May would be terrible because I think, 1:07:41.960 --> 1:07:43.840 you know, he's got a chance to be good regardless, 1:07:43.920 --> 1:07:47.520 but I just think that it's Jayden Daniels is definitely 1:07:47.520 --> 1:07:47.920 the answer. 1:07:48.080 --> 1:07:52.600 All Right, let's go to Ryan in OK. C Ryan, 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:53.120 how you doing? 1:07:54.640 --> 1:07:54.800 Hey? 1:07:58.040 --> 1:08:00.720 So, I had two thoughts question for you. 1:08:01.120 --> 1:08:02.640 First of all, I haven't been able to call in 1:08:02.960 --> 1:08:04.760 for a couple of weeks, Evan. I really I really 1:08:04.880 --> 1:08:08.320 liked your article you had with all the former linebackers 1:08:08.400 --> 1:08:12.120 detailing the drawd Mayo hiring. I had a chance to 1:08:12.160 --> 1:08:16.519 meet with with Brandon Spikes at us UH just a 1:08:16.560 --> 1:08:18.280 couple of months ago, and that man, that guy makes 1:08:18.320 --> 1:08:19.960 you want to eat a bowl of nails for breakfast. 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:20.880 He's he's sick. 1:08:21.640 --> 1:08:25.760 There's some really clips with him talking about you know, 1:08:25.840 --> 1:08:27.840 the hardest he's ever been hit in his career was 1:08:27.880 --> 1:08:31.840 from Brandon Spikes in practice. You know that that dude's legit. 1:08:32.040 --> 1:08:35.600 So so I appreciated that right up. So with the 1:08:36.160 --> 1:08:38.920 with the news on the Elliott bools, you know, taking 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:41.880 the reins on that. I've been thinking a lot about 1:08:41.920 --> 1:08:44.720 that article or I guess the the sweet that it 1:08:44.840 --> 1:08:48.880 came out about if Elliott both takes over, they're gonna 1:08:48.880 --> 1:08:50.920 give a serious look to Joe Alt at number three. 1:08:51.960 --> 1:08:54.400 So I've been digging a little bit into those Packers 1:08:54.520 --> 1:08:58.160 drafts while he was in there system, and and man, 1:08:58.240 --> 1:09:01.639 they really really attacked a lion in the first round. 1:09:02.439 --> 1:09:05.120 But just as much as they did that, they always 1:09:05.280 --> 1:09:08.200 nailed receivers in the second and third round. I mean, 1:09:08.320 --> 1:09:12.720 Jordy Nelson, Randall, Cobb, Bonte Adam were all drafted while 1:09:12.760 --> 1:09:15.439 Elliott Wolf was in that front office. Not saying that 1:09:15.680 --> 1:09:19.320 those are his picks, but but that kind of feels 1:09:19.400 --> 1:09:23.240 like the model that he's been thrown in and maybe 1:09:23.360 --> 1:09:26.679 what he tries to do here. But then my last question, 1:09:26.880 --> 1:09:29.519 and I'll take it off the air, is obviously there's 1:09:29.600 --> 1:09:34.240 there's the big three needs, quarterback, wide receiver, and tackle. 1:09:34.840 --> 1:09:36.800 I'm curious what you guys think the approach will be 1:09:37.000 --> 1:09:41.479 in some of those tertiary needs, specifically free safety and 1:09:41.840 --> 1:09:42.559 running back death. 1:09:43.680 --> 1:09:45.479 All right, thanks to car Ryan on the second point, 1:09:46.240 --> 1:09:49.320 He's it's a great point that that's how those Packers 1:09:49.360 --> 1:09:53.679 seems built. Now, they never needed a quarterback when Elliott 1:09:53.680 --> 1:09:57.280 Oak was there, so that reshaped the discussion. Would he 1:09:57.400 --> 1:10:00.040 go quarterback at the top of the board. But but 1:10:00.720 --> 1:10:03.639 this was the whole reason Aaron Rodgers left. They wouldn't 1:10:03.680 --> 1:10:05.360 draft him a receiver in the first round. Do you 1:10:05.360 --> 1:10:07.800 remember that? Yeah, they just wouldn't do it. 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:11.080 And I the second round isn't good enough. It has 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:12.320 to be fair, right, you know. 1:10:12.400 --> 1:10:15.200 I've been read in the face about this. Marvin Harrison 1:10:15.280 --> 1:10:17.320 is not the only receiver in the draft. Believe it 1:10:17.439 --> 1:10:20.160 or not. It's not the only good receiver in the draft. 1:10:20.240 --> 1:10:23.400 Despite what some people may think. This is such a 1:10:23.479 --> 1:10:28.000 good wide receiver draft, and people are petrified of Taekwon Thornton, 1:10:28.040 --> 1:10:30.800 and I get it. The answer to missing on a 1:10:30.840 --> 1:10:34.040 second round receiver is not to stop drafting second round receivers. 1:10:35.080 --> 1:10:37.760 It's to change your approach, Recognize me you did wrong, 1:10:37.840 --> 1:10:39.120 and go back at it. And you now have a 1:10:39.160 --> 1:10:41.920 front office and a staff that has identified wide receiver 1:10:42.040 --> 1:10:45.320 talent in the second round at a high level. It 1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:47.160 doesn't mean you can throw your eye you close your 1:10:47.160 --> 1:10:50.120 eyes and throw a dart and hit a pro bowler. 1:10:50.960 --> 1:10:52.880 But I trust them to find a guy on day two. 1:10:53.040 --> 1:10:56.160 I trust the new regime to find a wide receiver 1:10:56.280 --> 1:10:58.880 on day two, which opens you up on day one 1:10:58.960 --> 1:11:02.960 to the quarterback or the tackle. The report that that 1:11:03.200 --> 1:11:06.439 they were gonna seriously consider Joalt at three with Elliott Wolf, 1:11:06.479 --> 1:11:10.559 I mean they should seriously be considering everybody. I didn't 1:11:10.600 --> 1:11:12.479 read a ton into that. I think that's just drafts 1:11:12.520 --> 1:11:15.400 and antics. His question or if you have any thoughts 1:11:15.439 --> 1:11:16.599 on that, and then we can get to his question. 1:11:17.439 --> 1:11:20.160 Yeah, I would agree with that point that you just 1:11:20.280 --> 1:11:22.200 made about that report. And I'm not trying to pick 1:11:22.280 --> 1:11:25.599 on the report. I just at this point in the game, 1:11:25.680 --> 1:11:26.880 everybody's on the board, right. 1:11:26.920 --> 1:11:28.800 It's just that's just how draft season works. 1:11:29.360 --> 1:11:30.160 It's very early. 1:11:30.240 --> 1:11:32.200 We haven't even hit the combine yet, we haven't hit 1:11:32.240 --> 1:11:34.120 Pro Days, we haven't hit thirty visits. 1:11:34.280 --> 1:11:36.680 Like, we're very very early on in the process. And 1:11:37.120 --> 1:11:39.760 tackle is a big, big need for this team. 1:11:39.840 --> 1:11:40.519 We all know that. 1:11:41.320 --> 1:11:44.599 And so yeah, Joalt is definitely on the table at 1:11:44.680 --> 1:11:45.800 number three. Is he should be. 1:11:46.080 --> 1:11:48.120 He's He's one of the best players on the on 1:11:48.280 --> 1:11:51.599 the board. So I don't necessarily look too much into 1:11:51.680 --> 1:11:54.840 that either. In terms of their draft history in Green Bay, 1:11:54.880 --> 1:11:57.200 I think you make a good point that they never 1:11:57.320 --> 1:12:00.439 really needed the number one quarterback right like they had 1:12:00.479 --> 1:12:01.160 Aaron Rodgers. 1:12:01.680 --> 1:12:03.840 They didn't have to draft the guy and he wasn't 1:12:03.880 --> 1:12:05.800 there when they took he was already gone by the 1:12:05.840 --> 1:12:08.280 time they took love Wolf was Yeah, but. 1:12:08.520 --> 1:12:12.559 His father, Ron Wolf, one of his big like tenants, 1:12:12.640 --> 1:12:15.600 one of his huge philosophies as a team builder is 1:12:15.640 --> 1:12:17.520 that you should always be taking quarterbacks. 1:12:18.040 --> 1:12:22.000 Like I think Ron Wolf was quarterback every single year. 1:12:22.400 --> 1:12:24.760 I think was his was his whole thing, Like even 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:26.439 if it was like a seventh round pick, you know, 1:12:26.680 --> 1:12:29.160 just you should always be adding quarterbacks to your room. 1:12:29.720 --> 1:12:32.240 And so I think that they would definitely still see 1:12:32.280 --> 1:12:35.160 the value in quarterback. But I know that people are 1:12:35.280 --> 1:12:37.200 going to hate it, and uh you know, I I 1:12:37.600 --> 1:12:39.920 go back with and forth with people about this on 1:12:40.040 --> 1:12:43.519 the show on Twitter, you know, all the time about tackle. 1:12:44.120 --> 1:12:46.200 But the bottom line is is that there's different ways 1:12:46.240 --> 1:12:49.320 to build a team. And the Detroit Lions, I think 1:12:49.360 --> 1:12:52.240 are a great example of a team and their their 1:12:52.360 --> 1:12:54.439 GM just went out in in the media. Did you 1:12:54.479 --> 1:12:58.400 see that Alex uh And uh And was trashing the 1:12:58.479 --> 1:13:02.800 media because back intoenty twenty one, everybody in Detroit wanted 1:13:02.840 --> 1:13:06.600 the Lions to draft Justin Fields, right, everybody wanted it was, 1:13:06.760 --> 1:13:08.920 you know one of them, the draft Justin Fields. They 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:11.360 end up making the trade for Jared goff and they 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:14.680 draft Penny Sewell, yeah, seventh overall. Good for him in 1:13:15.160 --> 1:13:17.160 the draft in twenty twenty one. Do you think the 1:13:17.240 --> 1:13:19.880 Lions are crying that they didn't draft justin Fields? No, 1:13:20.200 --> 1:13:24.599 Like you know, it's so, It's definitely a path, am 1:13:24.600 --> 1:13:25.680 I saying, is the path that. 1:13:25.720 --> 1:13:26.320 I would pick. 1:13:26.760 --> 1:13:30.320 Not necessarily, but if they said to us that, you 1:13:30.400 --> 1:13:32.639 know that we need to get better in the trenches, 1:13:32.760 --> 1:13:36.200 that you know, until we're better up front, the quarterback 1:13:36.320 --> 1:13:38.240 is going to struggle that sort of thing. 1:13:38.479 --> 1:13:40.000 There's definitely sound logic to that. 1:13:40.880 --> 1:13:42.880 All right, let's go. We got a bunch of emails. 1:13:42.920 --> 1:13:45.479 Let's run through some of these. Uh, Sam from Saint 1:13:45.560 --> 1:13:50.280 Catharine's I want to see us trade up for Caleb Williams. 1:13:50.760 --> 1:13:53.280 If you have the opportunity to get the best quarterback, 1:13:53.320 --> 1:13:55.160 you do it every time. Fastest way to rebuild is 1:13:55.280 --> 1:13:56.800 to hit on the quarterback, and he's by far the 1:13:56.840 --> 1:13:59.120 best one in recent years. I don't care if we 1:13:59.200 --> 1:14:01.280 have to trade number three and next year's first to 1:14:01.360 --> 1:14:03.880 go get him, next year's first round pick, whatever doesn't 1:14:03.920 --> 1:14:05.280 matter in the grand scale of things. If we have 1:14:05.360 --> 1:14:09.439 Kayleb Williams for the next fifteen years, I mean, it 1:14:09.520 --> 1:14:11.639 all sounds well and good. If it's this year's first 1:14:11.680 --> 1:14:13.639 and next year's first, I do it. That's not even 1:14:13.680 --> 1:14:15.960 gonna come close to what it's gonna take to get 1:14:16.000 --> 1:14:17.720 up there. If the Bears are even willing to trade 1:14:17.760 --> 1:14:23.200 it like you're talking about, they do not in theory, 1:14:23.280 --> 1:14:26.080 he's right if you get Caleb Williams, and Caleb Williams 1:14:26.120 --> 1:14:28.040 is a better player than Bryce Young, which kind of 1:14:28.200 --> 1:14:29.479 I know people are gonna have an issue with what 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:32.920 I'm about to say, but you need to be able 1:14:32.960 --> 1:14:34.840 to the quarterback's only part of it. You still need 1:14:34.880 --> 1:14:37.439 to be able to add around the quarterback, and the 1:14:37.520 --> 1:14:40.160 Patriots don't exactly have the roster where they can just 1:14:40.200 --> 1:14:42.639 bump up at the quarterback and be good. They still 1:14:42.720 --> 1:14:48.280 need future assets. Yeah, Caleb Williams is a great prospect. 1:14:48.560 --> 1:14:50.760 I don't think Drake May and Jane Daniels are bad 1:14:50.800 --> 1:14:55.680 prospects though. So I it's gonna be again, if it's 1:14:55.760 --> 1:14:58.080 just this year's first, next year's first. Fine, you're probably 1:14:58.120 --> 1:15:00.960 talking about this year's first, this year's second, next year's first, 1:15:01.040 --> 1:15:03.560 next year second, and a player and that probably just 1:15:03.600 --> 1:15:04.320 gets you started. 1:15:06.240 --> 1:15:09.920 Yeah, I the conversation I think that we should be 1:15:10.040 --> 1:15:13.680 having around Chicago. And again, not necessarily the path that 1:15:13.720 --> 1:15:15.599 I would take, but something that is on the table 1:15:16.280 --> 1:15:19.600 is what you trade for justin fields, you know, I 1:15:19.880 --> 1:15:22.880 don't think that trading up to number one overall is 1:15:23.400 --> 1:15:25.840 a great way to go. I know, I agree with 1:15:25.920 --> 1:15:28.160 you that Caleb Williams is a better prospect than Bryce 1:15:28.240 --> 1:15:32.160 Young was, but that is the worst case scenario is 1:15:32.240 --> 1:15:35.440 to be the Carolina Panthers, where you have a quarterback 1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:38.720 that isn't good enough to elevate it all on his own, 1:15:39.360 --> 1:15:41.680 probably shouldn't need to anyways, Like that's not fair to 1:15:41.760 --> 1:15:44.599 ask of him anyways. And now Bradcetown is going into 1:15:44.680 --> 1:15:46.920 year two and I don't have a first round picked 1:15:47.000 --> 1:15:50.400 upgrade to roster for them, Like they're just in a 1:15:50.479 --> 1:15:54.599 tough spot from Carolina, and I just don't I would 1:15:54.640 --> 1:15:56.240 hate to see the Patriots end up there. 1:15:57.040 --> 1:16:00.519 Phil in North Carolina is a question for both of us. 1:16:00.520 --> 1:16:03.840 So his question for you, if Drake may superpower and 1:16:03.960 --> 1:16:06.120 carrying trait is his ability to read and hit the 1:16:06.200 --> 1:16:11.599 middle of the field. Are we then worried about how 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:15.480 that carries over to the NFL given the overall competition 1:16:15.800 --> 1:16:18.160 in the acc This to me is the biggest question 1:16:18.320 --> 1:16:22.439 Trake May he really didn't play anybody good in college, 1:16:22.520 --> 1:16:24.160 and you can just watch some of the tape and 1:16:24.160 --> 1:16:26.080 see how the physical tools translate. But Evan, are you 1:16:26.120 --> 1:16:28.680 worried about the jump in competition, especially when it comes 1:16:28.720 --> 1:16:29.479 to the middle of the field. 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:34.519 Uh No, not necessarily, Like I I understand the knock. 1:16:35.080 --> 1:16:39.559 I just I think that his physical traits are bare 1:16:39.760 --> 1:16:42.000 enough for me to not Like you can just use 1:16:42.040 --> 1:16:44.639 the eye test kind of of seeing the arm strength 1:16:44.720 --> 1:16:47.120 and the mobility and the size and that sort of stuff. 1:16:47.560 --> 1:16:51.360 I think my biggest concerns with Drake May are more mechanical, 1:16:51.760 --> 1:16:54.840 you know, like his lower half is never consistent. They're 1:16:54.920 --> 1:16:57.000 they're gonna have to work with if it's him there, 1:16:57.200 --> 1:16:58.800 that's gonna be the thing that they're gonna have to 1:16:58.880 --> 1:17:01.680 drill the most, yea or lower body mechanics. 1:17:01.960 --> 1:17:04.439 But that's why you hired Alex van Pelt, Like, that's 1:17:04.600 --> 1:17:05.600 that's why you hired the. 1:17:05.560 --> 1:17:08.360 Big footwork guy, by the way, specifically Van Pelt big 1:17:08.439 --> 1:17:09.080 footwork guy. 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:13.400 Yeah, like those guys that he is known for footwork 1:17:13.479 --> 1:17:16.240 and all that kind of stuff, being a bit very 1:17:16.360 --> 1:17:19.519 very good at at helping quarterbacks with that DA's Drake 1:17:19.600 --> 1:17:21.160 May's biggest knock right now. 1:17:21.360 --> 1:17:25.640 Is his mechanics and his just pocket mechanics and his 1:17:25.760 --> 1:17:26.360 lower body. 1:17:26.600 --> 1:17:29.400 Hey, if that doesn't get fixed, then he's going to 1:17:29.560 --> 1:17:32.320 spray the ball in the NFL, just like he did 1:17:32.360 --> 1:17:33.400 in college his past year. 1:17:33.400 --> 1:17:34.840 All right, and his question for me, we kind of 1:17:34.920 --> 1:17:37.880 just answered this. Assuming Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison Junior 1:17:37.880 --> 1:17:40.920 are the first two picks, what's more interesting or intriguing 1:17:40.960 --> 1:17:43.360 for the Patriots taking a quarterback or trading down for 1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:46.360 wide receiver tackle He take the quarterback, you take Drake May. 1:17:46.400 --> 1:17:48.120 There a hundred you sprint that card up. 1:17:49.040 --> 1:17:53.719 Yeah, No, I think that I would still I would 1:17:53.720 --> 1:17:56.000 still take either Drake May or jayde and Daniels over 1:17:56.080 --> 1:17:59.439 the alternative. Like and as much as I would have 1:17:59.560 --> 1:18:02.760 concerns about Jaden Daniels in this exact offense, you go 1:18:02.880 --> 1:18:05.800 to Alex van Pelt, you go to Ben McAdoo, you 1:18:05.920 --> 1:18:08.320 go to that staff, and you say, hey, you got 1:18:08.400 --> 1:18:12.080 this guy that's just got oodles of talent in Jaden Daniels. 1:18:12.400 --> 1:18:15.479 Figure it out, right, I just figure it out. I 1:18:15.960 --> 1:18:17.320 think that's still where you gotta go. 1:18:18.720 --> 1:18:22.400 Let's see here somebody asking about trading down, talking about 1:18:22.439 --> 1:18:25.240 packages that have gone for the third pick in recent years, 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:30.320 talks about like the Trey Lance trade three for twelve 1:18:30.400 --> 1:18:33.639 plus multiple first and thirds future years. Wants to see 1:18:33.640 --> 1:18:36.320 the Patriots try to build that way, adding a bunch 1:18:36.360 --> 1:18:39.600 of picks, mentions getting c J. Stroud. I just I 1:18:39.720 --> 1:18:41.920 don't where the organization's at right now. I don't think 1:18:41.920 --> 1:18:44.080 they're gonna have the patience to do that. That's that's 1:18:44.200 --> 1:18:46.280 just the reality of it. Then, rank these four options 1:18:46.400 --> 1:18:48.400 is bridge quarterbacks for next season? I assume this is 1:18:48.439 --> 1:18:52.280 the pay if the Patriots don't draft quarterback Jameis Winston, Gardner, 1:18:52.360 --> 1:18:55.880 Minshew Drew, lock Ja, Kobe Brissett, is Jeff and Needham. 1:18:56.280 --> 1:18:59.000 He says, if you don't have Jacoby Brissett, last I disagree. 1:18:59.080 --> 1:19:01.800 Brissette is guaranteed under five hundred. At least the other 1:19:01.840 --> 1:19:05.360 guys have upside. Well, if you're not taking a quarterback, 1:19:06.000 --> 1:19:08.439 you're probably not a playoff team. Why are you trying 1:19:08.479 --> 1:19:10.080 to get to the middle. In terms of ranking them 1:19:10.080 --> 1:19:14.599 as quarterbacks? I go Jamis Gardner. That's a tough Actually, 1:19:14.640 --> 1:19:20.240 Jamis definitely number one. I feel like Jakobe Gardner Mint 1:19:20.320 --> 1:19:22.320 and Drew lock all kind of the same tier. 1:19:23.160 --> 1:19:26.719 I kind of like Gardner Minshew out of that group personally. 1:19:26.840 --> 1:19:29.480 I mean, I don't know, he got the Colts competitive 1:19:29.560 --> 1:19:31.920 this year, you know, like that that team was still 1:19:32.000 --> 1:19:33.240 relevant even though. 1:19:34.120 --> 1:19:35.959 Drew Locke won a couple of games for the Seahawks. 1:19:37.000 --> 1:19:40.640 Yeah, no, you Gardner Mitchew won some like a like 1:19:40.760 --> 1:19:42.320 real games like for the Colts. 1:19:42.360 --> 1:19:43.839 Oh if heat the Patriots in Germany. 1:19:44.360 --> 1:19:47.840 And I like Jakobe present as not necessarily. 1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:50.120 It's not a he's not a These are not bridge 1:19:50.160 --> 1:19:52.960 quarterbacks to me, by the way, Like these are backup 1:19:53.040 --> 1:19:57.560 quarterbacks that might be starting seven eight games just to 1:19:57.640 --> 1:19:58.639 get to your rookie. 1:19:59.200 --> 1:20:02.000 Well, he's talk about Jefs talking about not drafting quarterback 1:20:02.040 --> 1:20:03.599 or at least not drafting high so right. 1:20:03.640 --> 1:20:05.479 But when I when I think of that though, I 1:20:05.520 --> 1:20:07.799 think of like that true bridge quarterback. 1:20:07.840 --> 1:20:09.400 And I'm not saying that they should do this, but 1:20:09.600 --> 1:20:12.640 like Russell Wilson would be a bridge quarterback. Like you 1:20:12.760 --> 1:20:15.200 try Russell Wilson for a year or two, see if 1:20:15.240 --> 1:20:17.599 it works out, and then you go back into the draft. 1:20:18.240 --> 1:20:21.439 Uh I would I would just say that Jacoby Brissett's 1:20:21.479 --> 1:20:24.559 calling card, and like what makes him an intriguing candidate 1:20:25.200 --> 1:20:27.680 to be signed as a veteran backup is that he's 1:20:27.880 --> 1:20:30.280 He's just a really good freaking dude, right, So, like 1:20:30.720 --> 1:20:33.559 you bring him in, he mentors the guy. He starts 1:20:33.600 --> 1:20:35.760 some games for you in the beginning of the year 1:20:35.760 --> 1:20:37.920 if you need him to uh and and then you 1:20:38.120 --> 1:20:38.760 bring you know you. 1:20:39.160 --> 1:20:41.280 It's a mini bridge. It's not like a bridge bridge. 1:20:42.720 --> 1:20:43.479 But what was it? 1:20:44.040 --> 1:20:47.519 There's another part of somebody's question that I can't remember now, 1:20:47.760 --> 1:20:48.599 all right, never. 1:20:48.520 --> 1:20:50.559 Mind, all right, Well, this one I think is directed 1:20:50.600 --> 1:20:52.320 at you. This is from Christian. I'm gonna just read 1:20:52.360 --> 1:20:54.320 this word for word. I'm gonna try to capture Christian's 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:57.080 tone here because I think it's good. Okay, Why in 1:20:57.200 --> 1:21:01.320 the hell is Drake May a better fit? Every snap 1:21:01.479 --> 1:21:04.120 Drake May has taken has been in shotgun, just like 1:21:04.200 --> 1:21:06.439 the rest of them. If you want the best deep 1:21:06.520 --> 1:21:09.800 ball rollers or boot throwers, it's Daniels and Caleb May 1:21:09.920 --> 1:21:13.479 throws the ball inaccurately when he rolls out and doesn't 1:21:13.520 --> 1:21:16.160 set his feet even I assume that's supposed say Evan 1:21:16.720 --> 1:21:20.920 even has the brain has flu brain for sure. There's 1:21:20.960 --> 1:21:23.000 a second part to this as well. He sent another email, 1:21:23.240 --> 1:21:24.920 so that last one was at ten thirty nine. This 1:21:24.960 --> 1:21:28.160 is at ten fifty five. All caps do not take May. 1:21:28.920 --> 1:21:31.320 We watch him every week and he's nothing special, dude, 1:21:31.680 --> 1:21:32.800 and please fix your hat. 1:21:35.000 --> 1:21:38.720 Ah, I didn't even know that you could see me. 1:21:38.800 --> 1:21:40.200 To be fair with the hell, Oh yeah, no, you've 1:21:40.200 --> 1:21:44.360 been upped whole time. I'm glad you broke the seal 1:21:44.439 --> 1:21:47.120 on us wearing hats on the show. I always wanted 1:21:47.120 --> 1:21:47.360 to do that. 1:21:47.920 --> 1:21:49.120 I didn't know that you could see me. 1:21:50.320 --> 1:21:53.400 But second of all, I just every single time I 1:21:53.479 --> 1:21:56.400 bring up Drake May in a conversation for the Patriots, 1:21:56.560 --> 1:21:57.400 this is where it goes. 1:21:57.479 --> 1:22:01.040 People just get like furious. I don't understand. 1:22:01.120 --> 1:22:03.040 Oh, Christian, there's a thirty email from Christian. He's from 1:22:03.040 --> 1:22:04.799 North Carolina, so he's echoing with Eldridge. 1:22:04.880 --> 1:22:07.360 Okay, cool, So you like grew up in North Carolina 1:22:07.479 --> 1:22:10.120 or something, so now you know everything about Drake May. Sorry, 1:22:10.200 --> 1:22:12.040 like no one else can watch him and have an opinion, 1:22:12.800 --> 1:22:13.920 and you wrought the thirty mail. 1:22:13.960 --> 1:22:17.679 I'm I'm only gonna look at Boston College quarterback. 1:22:18.320 --> 1:22:20.280 Oh, don't make the same mistake I did with Philder 1:22:20.320 --> 1:22:24.439 kobc Yeah. Here's the the first email from Christian. This 1:22:24.520 --> 1:22:26.800 was at ten o'clock. This was right when the show started. Hello, guys, 1:22:27.080 --> 1:22:29.759 I need help. I seriously can't not see what everyone 1:22:29.800 --> 1:22:32.040 else does with Drake what everyone else does with Drake May. 1:22:32.240 --> 1:22:34.519 I've watched film on all the QBS, including every game 1:22:34.560 --> 1:22:35.760 they played last year as well. 1:22:35.960 --> 1:22:36.679 You watched the film. 1:22:36.800 --> 1:22:39.040 I just don't see it. I just feel like everyone 1:22:39.160 --> 1:22:41.760 heard the big name people say he's number two QB 1:22:41.880 --> 1:22:44.640 and accepted it. Some people explain to me what they 1:22:44.760 --> 1:22:47.920 see because I see Daniels as being a way better prospect. 1:22:48.000 --> 1:22:50.519 Thank you. So I just think Daniel's second best quarterback 1:22:50.520 --> 1:22:52.000 in this class. But I don't think it's that close. 1:22:53.360 --> 1:22:54.800 Or I do think it's very close. Sorry, I do 1:22:54.840 --> 1:22:56.400 think it's very close. We do the tube. But anyway, 1:22:57.880 --> 1:23:01.760 your response him, what in the why in the hell 1:23:01.840 --> 1:23:03.639 is Drake May a better fit? Is the lead? Here? 1:23:04.600 --> 1:23:07.360 I keep on telling you, I keep on telling everybody 1:23:07.439 --> 1:23:08.320 why he's a better fit. 1:23:08.400 --> 1:23:10.840 Well, I guess people tell people tell Christian he doesn't 1:23:10.840 --> 1:23:12.799 see it so well, he's from. 1:23:12.640 --> 1:23:14.840 North Carolina, so he'd know better than me. 1:23:15.080 --> 1:23:18.960 Oh boy, here we go. It's from Chad. This specifically does, 1:23:20.160 --> 1:23:23.160 so I'm doing my due diligence on QBS in this 1:23:23.280 --> 1:23:25.639 year's draft. Who do you think based on that? In Truevan, 1:23:25.680 --> 1:23:26.719 this is going to be about. 1:23:28.280 --> 1:23:28.600 I just. 1:23:30.200 --> 1:23:32.560 I'm doing I'm doing my due diligence on QBS in 1:23:32.560 --> 1:23:36.599 this year's draft, and I'm currently on JJ McCarthy. Now, 1:23:36.760 --> 1:23:39.040 I'm not saying he should be a top five prospect 1:23:39.120 --> 1:23:41.760 with the likes of Williams and and Daniels, but he 1:23:41.880 --> 1:23:44.200 could be a fringe Day two candidate and potentially sit 1:23:44.280 --> 1:23:46.880 behind event until he's ready. That's not what I truly want. 1:23:46.920 --> 1:23:48.880 But JJ's made some really good throws strate his career. 1:23:49.040 --> 1:23:51.400 Chad in Atlanta, Honestly, I didn't like where that was starting. 1:23:51.760 --> 1:23:54.200 I agree with you, well, minus the last part about he's, 1:23:54.600 --> 1:23:56.720 you know, made some good throws at his career. Yeah, 1:23:56.800 --> 1:23:58.599 that that's what he is. He's like a fringe day 1:23:58.640 --> 1:24:00.519 two pick. He's like a back get into the top 1:24:00.520 --> 1:24:02.800 one hundred pick that you have a Jordan Love type 1:24:02.840 --> 1:24:04.200 plan for that You're gonna sit for a year or 1:24:04.240 --> 1:24:06.840 two behind an established starter. No chance he needs to 1:24:06.880 --> 1:24:09.439 play in developing and that's not what I want to 1:24:09.479 --> 1:24:12.080 see the Patriots do. They don't JJ McCarthy is a 1:24:12.160 --> 1:24:15.320 perfect fit for the Patriots if it's twenty eighteen and 1:24:15.360 --> 1:24:17.720 they still have Tom Brady for two more years. J J. 1:24:17.880 --> 1:24:20.120 McCarty's the exact kind of guy they draft in that 1:24:20.240 --> 1:24:23.080 situation when you don't have a clear starting quarterback. Not 1:24:23.200 --> 1:24:23.519 so much. 1:24:24.479 --> 1:24:26.639 Yeah, I mean, like, the bottom line with JJ McCarthy 1:24:26.800 --> 1:24:29.719 is ounce is that both you and I are gonna 1:24:29.760 --> 1:24:32.479 be wrong, right, Like I put him wrong in air 1:24:32.600 --> 1:24:35.040 quotes because I think we probably will end up being 1:24:35.160 --> 1:24:36.280 right in the long run. 1:24:36.840 --> 1:24:39.439 But JJ McCarthy is gonna go in the first round, like. 1:24:39.760 --> 1:24:43.280 Yeah, no, And I've said that I never underestimate how 1:24:43.320 --> 1:24:46.519 dumb these teams can do. Sorry, And the. 1:24:46.600 --> 1:24:49.880 League likes him better than everybody than the media does that. 1:24:50.080 --> 1:24:53.360 You know that that everybody loves that report, right right? 1:24:53.400 --> 1:24:54.439 You know JJ McCarthy. 1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:57.439 League's higher on him than draft media, League's higher on 1:24:57.560 --> 1:24:59.360 him than whatever, Zach. 1:24:59.479 --> 1:25:02.280 That was Zach Wilson Man. That's my comp and I'm 1:25:02.280 --> 1:25:02.840 sticking to it. 1:25:03.720 --> 1:25:07.040 Yeah, yeah, cool, And I didn't Michael Michael Penix will 1:25:07.080 --> 1:25:07.240 go in. 1:25:07.280 --> 1:25:11.840 The third round and and the third round. 1:25:13.000 --> 1:25:14.960 J J. McCarthy will go in the first round, and 1:25:15.000 --> 1:25:17.479 Penix will be the better player in the NFL like that. 1:25:17.760 --> 1:25:19.040 Yeah, that's on them. 1:25:19.720 --> 1:25:22.960 Zack Wilson. Man, I'm sticking by that comp Zach Wilson 1:25:23.040 --> 1:25:25.080 to a team. And remember I didn't Zack Wilson was 1:25:25.120 --> 1:25:27.559 my TBI six in that draft item behind Kyle Trask 1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:32.160 who didn't pan out. But they got Tom Brady and 1:25:32.200 --> 1:25:34.920 everything changed. Uh, all right, I guess they already had 1:25:34.960 --> 1:25:39.439 Tom Brady. But this is from Gierm. I apologize, I'm 1:25:39.439 --> 1:25:42.000 pronouncing that wrong. Germ, Hey guy, this is a really 1:25:42.040 --> 1:25:44.720 good emails. Is a really good point. Hey, guys, I 1:25:44.760 --> 1:25:47.160 was thinking about trade targets. Don't you think maybe Kyle 1:25:47.280 --> 1:25:50.759 Pitts should be one that would fit the new offense. 1:25:50.800 --> 1:25:53.800 Haven't heard anything of him being on the trade block, 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:55.559 but just an idea. Since the Falcons are changing their 1:25:55.560 --> 1:25:57.560 coaching staff. I don't know what it would take to 1:25:57.600 --> 1:26:00.320 get Kyle Pitts because there hasn't been that much credit. 1:26:00.360 --> 1:26:04.360 But we talked before about finding your David Joku. Kyle 1:26:04.439 --> 1:26:07.360 Pitts a better version of that player. Despite what Arthur 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:11.679 Smith would have you believe. The one trade down idea 1:26:11.960 --> 1:26:18.320 I entertain is three for eight next year's first and 1:26:18.439 --> 1:26:22.400 Kyle Pitts if they're gonna trade down, that's what I 1:26:22.400 --> 1:26:24.240 would do. Now, there may be other ways to get 1:26:24.280 --> 1:26:26.280 Kyle Pitts. If it's Kyle Pitts for like a third, 1:26:27.439 --> 1:26:30.760 absolutely absolutely I would do that. Kyle Pitts in this 1:26:30.920 --> 1:26:33.000 offense I think would be a tremendous fit. Evan, I 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:34.880 don't know if you agree, but if you can't tell, 1:26:34.880 --> 1:26:38.400 I'm still high on Kyle Pitts despite what despite the Falcons' 1:26:38.439 --> 1:26:39.360 best efforts. 1:26:39.840 --> 1:26:42.240 Kyle, I think the biggest thing with Kyle Pitts is 1:26:43.400 --> 1:26:45.640 you need to look at it and realize, like, is 1:26:45.680 --> 1:26:48.800 this just a player that hasn't been used correctly or 1:26:48.880 --> 1:26:50.840 does he just not have a position in the NFL? 1:26:52.640 --> 1:26:56.599 And I would probably agree with you, but that's definitely 1:26:56.680 --> 1:26:59.320 a question that when you watch his film in Atlanta 1:26:59.360 --> 1:27:02.320 and you kind of diagnose the situation is is he 1:27:02.479 --> 1:27:04.120 just one of those guys that's kind of like a 1:27:04.160 --> 1:27:06.120 tweeter and you just don't really know where to put 1:27:06.160 --> 1:27:07.000 them and that. 1:27:07.160 --> 1:27:08.200 Kind of it's difficult. 1:27:08.439 --> 1:27:12.360 Or is he somebody that's just being underutilized and used incorrectly. 1:27:12.400 --> 1:27:14.720 But it was the trade down scenarios earlier. Remember I 1:27:14.800 --> 1:27:19.040 said that something was jogging my mind. So the Patriots 1:27:19.080 --> 1:27:24.320 are at three, right, Arizona's at four, and then the 1:27:24.479 --> 1:27:25.439 Chargers are at five. 1:27:25.920 --> 1:27:31.240 Yep, how much Danny Ainge do is? Does Elliott Wolf have? 1:27:31.920 --> 1:27:35.120 Oh? This is different, this is different. It's not the 1:27:35.280 --> 1:27:37.600 NBA Draft. I wouldn't risk it. 1:27:39.080 --> 1:27:41.559 Because those two teams are not going to take. 1:27:41.479 --> 1:27:45.559 Quarterbacks, right, But could especially the Chargers. Could the Chargers 1:27:45.680 --> 1:27:47.679 move back for a team that wants to take a quarterback. 1:27:49.479 --> 1:27:50.719 I'm just saying, then you get jumped. 1:27:52.000 --> 1:27:55.920 Okay, I agree with you that it's it's probably too rare. 1:27:56.360 --> 1:27:58.280 So what you're saying is basically, trade down and take 1:27:58.280 --> 1:27:59.559 a quarterback. That's what you're saying. 1:28:00.560 --> 1:28:01.800 What I'm saying is is. 1:28:01.840 --> 1:28:03.519 That you're saying, trade down, take quarterback. 1:28:03.800 --> 1:28:07.160 There's a chance that you could probably get and it's 1:28:07.200 --> 1:28:10.320 probably a quarterback. But I'm just saying, there's a chance 1:28:11.160 --> 1:28:13.400 that you could get the same player at six that 1:28:13.520 --> 1:28:16.639 you want at three, because those two teams are going 1:28:16.720 --> 1:28:18.040 to take non quarterbacks. 1:28:18.080 --> 1:28:18.280 I have. 1:28:18.479 --> 1:28:19.200 That's what I'm saying. 1:28:19.280 --> 1:28:20.960 Put this tablet down to find my list here. Do 1:28:21.040 --> 1:28:23.040 you know the last time a team traded down in 1:28:23.120 --> 1:28:23.639 the top five? 1:28:23.680 --> 1:28:25.840 I know, I know you did your research, but I'm 1:28:25.920 --> 1:28:29.160 just telling you that that is that not awesome. 1:28:29.240 --> 1:28:33.439 This is you are talking about something, Evan, that hasn't 1:28:33.479 --> 1:28:37.479 been attempted in thirty years, and all it takes is 1:28:37.960 --> 1:28:40.760 the Falcons or the Raiders or whoever trading up to 1:28:40.920 --> 1:28:44.160 five and your entire offseason plan is shot. The last 1:28:44.240 --> 1:28:48.720 quarterback that was traded down for period, forget range. No 1:28:48.880 --> 1:28:50.800 team has traded down and taken a quarterback in the 1:28:50.840 --> 1:28:54.920 first round since twenty thirteen. That was EJ. Manuel. The 1:28:54.960 --> 1:28:56.680 Bills went from eight to sixteen and took him. He 1:28:56.760 --> 1:29:00.439 was the only first round quarterback that year. The only 1:29:00.479 --> 1:29:03.240 other times it's happened really in our lifetime, so that 1:29:03.360 --> 1:29:07.080 was twenty thirteen. The last one before that two thousand 1:29:07.120 --> 1:29:10.879 and three, when the Bears moved back and took Rex Grossman, 1:29:10.960 --> 1:29:14.800 but they got two first. They moved back from four, 1:29:15.520 --> 1:29:18.559 they got thirteen and twenty two, and they took Grossman 1:29:18.600 --> 1:29:23.240 at twenty two. Meanwhile, they missed on a Byron Left 1:29:23.280 --> 1:29:26.679 or see only the quarterback they missed on two thousand 1:29:26.680 --> 1:29:26.920 and two. 1:29:27.280 --> 1:29:28.680 It was the first time for everything though. 1:29:28.760 --> 1:29:31.599 Right two thousand and two, Washington moved back from twenty 1:29:31.640 --> 1:29:35.599 one to thirty two to take Patrick Ramsey nineteen ninety nine. Somebody, 1:29:35.600 --> 1:29:37.320 I think it's the Bears moved back from seven to 1:29:37.439 --> 1:29:40.640 twelve to take Cade McNown missed on Dante Culpepper. By 1:29:40.680 --> 1:29:42.840 the way, the last time it happened in the top five, 1:29:43.479 --> 1:29:46.000 Kerry Collins. The Panthers went from one to five to 1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:50.040 take carry Collins. Then Houston Oilers took Steve McNair third. Overall, 1:29:50.400 --> 1:29:52.800 you believe in the quarterback, you take them. It's different 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:55.040 than other positions. You believe in the quarterback, you take them. 1:29:55.200 --> 1:29:57.519 It's a nice idea. Danny Andes Jason Tatum, all that 1:29:57.960 --> 1:29:59.960 doesn't work in this league, doesn't work with that position. 1:30:01.160 --> 1:30:05.080 Okay, I'm just saying that that I don't hate. I 1:30:05.160 --> 1:30:08.200 would stay at three and take the quarterback, okad, But 1:30:08.400 --> 1:30:08.840 I get. 1:30:08.720 --> 1:30:09.559 It you're bringing it up. 1:30:10.320 --> 1:30:13.960 And the trade down scenario is like, realistically, if if they. 1:30:14.240 --> 1:30:17.040 If we just say that they don't like the quarterbacks, yeah, 1:30:17.080 --> 1:30:18.519 they don't like quarterback, that's left. 1:30:18.800 --> 1:30:21.400 Then the trade down scenarios are are very intriguing. 1:30:21.439 --> 1:30:24.160 I know it's what nobody wants to hear, but they 1:30:24.200 --> 1:30:27.519 could really set themselves up with a war chest if 1:30:27.520 --> 1:30:28.560 they were to do that. 1:30:28.720 --> 1:30:30.760 So I think the trade down makes sense for me. 1:30:31.120 --> 1:30:32.519 The way I look at the board and is how 1:30:32.560 --> 1:30:34.360 I look at it, like they need to add more picks, 1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:37.080 they need to add more top fifty picks. I look 1:30:37.120 --> 1:30:39.880 at trading down from thirty four because I think like 1:30:40.120 --> 1:30:43.960 forty to seventy is a real strong point in this draft. 1:30:44.600 --> 1:30:47.599 So I think you move down from thirty four, maybe 1:30:47.680 --> 1:30:49.920 pick up you know, an extra second this year or 1:30:50.120 --> 1:30:52.000 nextra second next year. Like I like the idea of 1:30:52.040 --> 1:30:53.600 trading down to add assets. I just do it in 1:30:53.640 --> 1:30:56.719 the second round to the first round. Nicholas asked about 1:30:57.120 --> 1:31:01.280 if the Commanders may go with Jane Daniels for Drake May. 1:31:01.360 --> 1:31:02.840 We talked about that. We both think yes. 1:31:03.479 --> 1:31:03.599 Uh. 1:31:03.800 --> 1:31:06.000 The subject to this one just says last Chance You. 1:31:06.160 --> 1:31:09.000 So I'm very excited because I like, if you haven't 1:31:09.000 --> 1:31:12.040 watched Last Yan to You on Netflix, definitely checking out awesome, 1:31:12.160 --> 1:31:15.519 awesome football documentary. It's a series they follow a Juco 1:31:15.640 --> 1:31:19.080 team every year, and actually the guy who produced it 1:31:19.680 --> 1:31:22.960 is going to be doing the Red Sox Netflix series 1:31:23.000 --> 1:31:26.000 that's coming out. So definitely recommend Last Chance to You. 1:31:26.160 --> 1:31:29.200 So Craig says Pats fan from the UK since two 1:31:29.200 --> 1:31:32.000 thousand and six, new listeners since the international game. We 1:31:32.120 --> 1:31:36.040 love that seen one series of Last Chance to You 1:31:36.160 --> 1:31:38.920 with d Or Scott. I remember de Or Scott who 1:31:39.000 --> 1:31:44.360 went to uh Hawaii. Oh yes, about Patriots signing him. 1:31:45.160 --> 1:31:47.400 That was, yeah, it was a while ago. The Last 1:31:47.479 --> 1:31:49.280 Chance You played. My question is the Last Chance You 1:31:49.320 --> 1:31:51.479 players last in the NFL due to limited knowledge of 1:31:51.520 --> 1:31:54.200 the college system. There's a couple Last Chance to You 1:31:54.280 --> 1:31:59.320 guys hanging around. I think that documentary ultimately hurt a 1:31:59.360 --> 1:32:02.240 lot of guys because they didn't all they paint players 1:32:02.280 --> 1:32:06.479 in the best light. There's been a couple guys, what's 1:32:06.520 --> 1:32:09.719 his name, the running back were Kim Sanders from Arkansas. 1:32:09.840 --> 1:32:12.160 He was in that. He hung around the league a 1:32:12.160 --> 1:32:16.959 little bit. Pat's about a couple guys in camp Us. 1:32:17.240 --> 1:32:18.800 I'm trying to remember who it is. There's one last 1:32:18.880 --> 1:32:22.320 Chance to You player, one last Chance You player who's 1:32:22.360 --> 1:32:23.920 in the league who's really good. But he was never 1:32:24.120 --> 1:32:26.240 They only would only feature like seven or eight players, 1:32:26.840 --> 1:32:28.360 and he wasn't one of the featured players. He was 1:32:28.439 --> 1:32:30.479 on the team and like you saw him in the background, 1:32:30.680 --> 1:32:32.080 but I don't think they ever interviewed him. I can't 1:32:32.080 --> 1:32:34.320 remember who that was anyway. I appreciate the question, and 1:32:34.439 --> 1:32:36.760 Chance talked about last Chance too. I got a couple 1:32:36.880 --> 1:32:44.360 more here, Uh, David uh Boston Dave says, I heard 1:32:44.439 --> 1:32:47.639 you say Drake May is perfect for the offense, not perfect, 1:32:47.720 --> 1:32:49.880 just the best fit. I heard you say Drake May 1:32:49.960 --> 1:32:52.880 is perfect for the offense. Is Pennis or Fields a 1:32:52.960 --> 1:32:55.040 fit for the offense? A VP is gonna run? We 1:32:55.120 --> 1:32:56.599 talked about this. I think Penis is a really good 1:32:56.640 --> 1:33:00.200 fit as well. Justin Fields, No, because they strung goal 1:33:00.280 --> 1:33:03.240 to add that quarterback run element with Deshaun Watson, and 1:33:03.520 --> 1:33:05.400 you're gonna need the quarterback run element to make it 1:33:05.439 --> 1:33:06.360 work with Justin Fields. 1:33:07.640 --> 1:33:10.759 Yeah, yeah, I look. I I just think it's hilarious. 1:33:10.760 --> 1:33:13.640 I think nothing gets people more rouled up than me 1:33:13.800 --> 1:33:16.040 saying that Drake May is a good fit for this 1:33:16.240 --> 1:33:19.080 offense and Jayden Daniels is not as good of a fit. 1:33:19.560 --> 1:33:23.560 I don't look, Jayden Daniels is Uh. He deserves a 1:33:23.640 --> 1:33:24.200 lot of credit. 1:33:24.320 --> 1:33:26.759 Like he's got like a whole marketing team for himself 1:33:26.800 --> 1:33:27.879 down in North Carolina. 1:33:28.080 --> 1:33:32.479 That's just people. So you know, like that he's in 1:33:32.640 --> 1:33:33.480 good hands. 1:33:33.280 --> 1:33:35.240 Like if only he could be drafted by the Panthers. 1:33:35.880 --> 1:33:39.080 Yeah, oh my goodness, like it's it's incredible, all. 1:33:39.040 --> 1:33:43.479 Right, Claire checking in Claire from the UK right now, 1:33:43.600 --> 1:33:45.320 and I reserve the right change my mind. I may 1:33:45.600 --> 1:33:48.000 all the way. I would like see a big, tough, 1:33:48.040 --> 1:33:50.519 broad shouldered quarterback who can take hits and stuff, not 1:33:50.640 --> 1:33:52.360 a little guy who can run around and not read 1:33:52.400 --> 1:33:54.840 the field as much. I don't know who that's about. 1:33:57.080 --> 1:33:59.519 I would he just wanted to get the broad shoulder game. 1:33:59.600 --> 1:34:02.200 There also said she's met on Kyle Pitts, which I'm 1:34:02.240 --> 1:34:04.400 surprised of from Claire. I would think it's kind of 1:34:04.439 --> 1:34:08.439 tight end that that she'd be interested in. Ryan says, 1:34:08.560 --> 1:34:10.760 been watching your mock drafts for years. I always love 1:34:10.800 --> 1:34:13.000 hearing the players, you like, it's fun to think this 1:34:13.160 --> 1:34:16.000 might be the first year they actually picked some of them. No, 1:34:16.640 --> 1:34:22.000 we had Marcus Jones, we nailed that one. We had 1:34:22.080 --> 1:34:24.160 them taking Cole Strange one year. It wasn't in the 1:34:24.200 --> 1:34:26.720 first round, but we had them taking Cold Strange. We've 1:34:26.760 --> 1:34:31.160 hit on a couple, you know. I don't know if 1:34:31.160 --> 1:34:32.800 that was supposed to be a shot at us or not, 1:34:33.000 --> 1:34:33.800 but we did. 1:34:34.080 --> 1:34:36.240 You know, I think both of us loved Christian Gonzales. 1:34:36.280 --> 1:34:37.680 We just didn't think We didn't think he'd be on 1:34:37.720 --> 1:34:38.439 the board right. 1:34:39.160 --> 1:34:41.760 And we had to respect the board, and it turns 1:34:41.800 --> 1:34:42.439 out that we didn't. 1:34:42.600 --> 1:34:44.519 Now that I think about it, I don't know if 1:34:44.520 --> 1:34:45.840 this is a shot at us or a shot at 1:34:45.840 --> 1:34:48.679 the previous draft saying like, oh, you know the guys 1:34:48.720 --> 1:34:50.400 you like, now they'll take them because they'll take good player. 1:34:51.680 --> 1:34:53.920 I think I feel more interested than ever in draft 1:34:53.960 --> 1:34:55.519 Talk's been hard to get excited for drafts when they 1:34:55.560 --> 1:34:57.160 chose Day three guys on Day one or day two. 1:34:57.240 --> 1:35:00.840 Love getting excited about draft talk. Let's see what else 1:35:01.320 --> 1:35:04.559 this one's to me, Alex. I like your direction. Love 1:35:04.600 --> 1:35:04.960 for this is. 1:35:06.720 --> 1:35:06.840 Uh. 1:35:07.640 --> 1:35:11.679 I want to pitch this and get your thoughts. Trade 1:35:11.720 --> 1:35:13.840 down to Falcons at eight, get Pits and next year's 1:35:13.880 --> 1:35:16.439 first for three, then get Pennix in the second round 1:35:17.080 --> 1:35:20.160 and get Gardner Minshew in free agency. I mean, I 1:35:20.439 --> 1:35:23.280 still want to take the quarterback at three, but like 1:35:23.400 --> 1:35:25.519 I said, this is the one trade down I'll entertain. 1:35:26.800 --> 1:35:30.519 Let's say at eight, you either get Joe Alter Malik 1:35:30.600 --> 1:35:34.560 Neighbors at eight, Yeah, and then you have Pennix and 1:35:34.680 --> 1:35:37.600 you have the Falcons first next year. Wouldn't be my 1:35:37.720 --> 1:35:40.040 least favorite thing. I don't know that that would be 1:35:40.080 --> 1:35:42.000 an a for me, but I would give it a 1:35:42.080 --> 1:35:43.880 passing great for sure. I don't know about you, Evan. 1:35:44.840 --> 1:35:47.800 Yeah, I think that, like I said earlier, the trade 1:35:47.840 --> 1:35:50.320 down scenarios, if you're not falling in love with one 1:35:50.360 --> 1:35:52.479 of these quarterbacks that's going to be available to you, 1:35:52.600 --> 1:35:56.000 then that those are those are all viable scenarios. 1:35:56.120 --> 1:35:58.040 Like I think that's probably what I would do. 1:35:58.600 --> 1:36:00.400 If you're not going to take a quarterback at three 1:36:01.160 --> 1:36:03.760 and you're you're because you're not sold on one of 1:36:03.840 --> 1:36:07.160 these quarterbacks, then I'd be trading down and trying to 1:36:07.240 --> 1:36:10.920 accumulate assets because you're still probably gonna get like once 1:36:11.000 --> 1:36:14.080 we get past the quarterbacks and Marvin Harrison Junior, let's 1:36:14.080 --> 1:36:17.680 face it, like Joe alt Olofashanu Malik neighbors, like these 1:36:17.680 --> 1:36:20.200 are all kind of the same level of prospect. 1:36:19.800 --> 1:36:23.599 At that point. Yeah, this is why, like people are 1:36:23.640 --> 1:36:25.320 just sending emails in because they know what we normally 1:36:25.360 --> 1:36:27.840 don't like read through emails like this. So I apologize 1:36:27.880 --> 1:36:31.040 Evan for hijacking your show, but literally, as I'm reading them, 1:36:31.080 --> 1:36:34.040 more people are sending them in. Robin the Katskills. Any 1:36:34.080 --> 1:36:38.040 thoughts on Jordan Travis in later rounds, Like later, So, 1:36:38.200 --> 1:36:39.799 Jordan Travis, quarterback of Florida State. 1:36:40.160 --> 1:36:41.639 Play, is he even gonna play next year? 1:36:42.000 --> 1:36:42.040 So? 1:36:42.400 --> 1:36:45.360 I guess down at the he went to the Shrine 1:36:45.400 --> 1:36:47.400 Bowl to do interviews, and I guess he was telling 1:36:47.439 --> 1:36:53.639 people he thinks he'll be cleared by October. So like, yeah, look, 1:36:53.680 --> 1:36:56.040 if it's the sixth round, he shouldn't be your only 1:36:56.160 --> 1:36:58.639 quarterback pick. If you're telling me it's the sixth round, 1:36:58.760 --> 1:37:01.320 they feel like they've had a very completet. You want 1:37:01.360 --> 1:37:04.360 to bring him in. Yeah, I mean he showed some 1:37:04.439 --> 1:37:08.280 interesting stuff at Florida State. He is really small, Yeah, 1:37:08.479 --> 1:37:10.280 and that worries me, especially for a guy that's had 1:37:10.320 --> 1:37:12.000 this kind of injury. If you want to take him 1:37:12.080 --> 1:37:14.160 late on Day three as a second quarterback knowing you're 1:37:14.160 --> 1:37:19.160 probably gonna keep him on NFI all year. Sure, I 1:37:19.240 --> 1:37:21.120 mean he's worth a six round flier. I wouldn't be 1:37:21.120 --> 1:37:23.680 opposed to that. I don't know about making him your 1:37:23.800 --> 1:37:26.479 quarterback pick. I wouldn't make him your plan. I would say, 1:37:26.520 --> 1:37:28.400 if you come out of the offseason he's the only 1:37:28.520 --> 1:37:30.599 quarterback you've added, you still don't have any true direction 1:37:30.680 --> 1:37:31.240 a quarterback. 1:37:31.760 --> 1:37:33.880 Yeah, I agree with that, all right. 1:37:33.960 --> 1:37:37.920 Last one, here we go Catch twenty two Patriots position philosophy. 1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:39.880 We love philosophy questions, and then we actually got a 1:37:39.920 --> 1:37:42.240 call too, So appreciate you guys carrying the show. 1:37:42.400 --> 1:37:44.120 Somebody from North Carolina. 1:37:44.200 --> 1:37:49.559 Philadelphia Hello. Thinking about last year's rookies after drawd Mayo's hiring, 1:37:49.600 --> 1:37:52.080 I've been wondering if the team's view on player positions 1:37:52.080 --> 1:37:54.920 will change. Most notably, I'm wondering if Belichick or Mayo 1:37:55.000 --> 1:37:57.480 viewed Marte mop who was a safety rather than a linebacker. 1:37:57.840 --> 1:37:59.800 Did Mayo make the decision to play Mac Wilson on 1:37:59.800 --> 1:38:02.599 the edge rather than as an inside linebacker. With someone 1:38:02.680 --> 1:38:04.920 like James Williams out of Miami, And we got to 1:38:04.920 --> 1:38:07.439 pay attention to the Miami guys now because Alonzo Highsmith's 1:38:07.439 --> 1:38:09.280 in the front office is working with the loot you 1:38:09.520 --> 1:38:12.080 last year. Does somebody like James Williams out of Miami 1:38:12.200 --> 1:38:14.680 be a linebacker or a safety? Into odds isaact cetera, 1:38:14.720 --> 1:38:17.360 et cetera. I genuinely hope Mayo sets guys up for 1:38:17.439 --> 1:38:19.960 success and plays them at their best positions. Love the show. 1:38:20.000 --> 1:38:24.160 I appreciate you guys sharing knowledge with us. Best Carlos, So, 1:38:25.000 --> 1:38:31.880 great question. Great question. Let's start with Mapu because after 1:38:31.960 --> 1:38:34.200 the draft we came in here, Evan, you were so happy, 1:38:34.360 --> 1:38:36.720 encouraged that he was going to be a linebacker and 1:38:36.760 --> 1:38:38.880 they're gonna modernize their defense. And he kept rolling your 1:38:38.920 --> 1:38:40.400 eyes at me when I said they drafted him to 1:38:40.439 --> 1:38:43.080 be a big safety and then he became a big safety. 1:38:43.840 --> 1:38:45.920 Does that maybe change this year? Because to another part 1:38:45.920 --> 1:38:49.360 of the email, Mayo, was it Mayo or Steve Belichick 1:38:49.560 --> 1:38:51.680 at the towards the end of the year talked about, yeah, 1:38:51.720 --> 1:38:55.840 we were playing Mac Wilson incorrectly his first year. One 1:38:55.840 --> 1:39:00.320 of them said that, yeah, is is there a wreck ignition? 1:39:00.479 --> 1:39:03.280 And do you think they used Marte Mapu correctly this year? 1:39:03.560 --> 1:39:05.840 And a few chances he did play on offense? And 1:39:06.240 --> 1:39:07.960 do you think maybe he gets to play a more 1:39:08.000 --> 1:39:09.400 true linebacker role next year? 1:39:12.960 --> 1:39:15.880 I guess it depends on if Kyle duggars here or not. Like, 1:39:16.000 --> 1:39:18.880 if Kyle Duggar is here and they are they're able 1:39:19.000 --> 1:39:21.880 to to be more flexible with Marty Mapu, then I 1:39:21.920 --> 1:39:24.920 could see that If Kyle Dugger is not here, then 1:39:25.000 --> 1:39:27.000 I think that he's Kyle Duggar's replacement. 1:39:27.280 --> 1:39:28.960 Like I I just I have kind of sort of 1:39:29.040 --> 1:39:29.519 succme to. 1:39:29.560 --> 1:39:33.800 That isn't Kyle Duggart's replacement, though well, Jabil. 1:39:33.520 --> 1:39:35.800 Peppers isn't gonna like man up tight ends and things 1:39:35.920 --> 1:39:39.920 like that. You know, I don't know. 1:39:40.280 --> 1:39:44.160 I'm not for I think in a lot of ways 1:39:44.240 --> 1:39:46.600 for the better. Like I'm not necessarily saying this is 1:39:46.680 --> 1:39:50.400 like a super negative thing, don't. I don't necessarily think 1:39:50.439 --> 1:39:53.519 that they're gonna philosophically change all that much on defense 1:39:53.680 --> 1:39:56.400 like that, They're gonna sort of look at positions and 1:39:56.479 --> 1:39:59.200 look at body types and and look at roles and 1:39:59.280 --> 1:39:59.840 stuff like that. 1:40:00.040 --> 1:40:02.560 Pretty similarly, I don't think it's a philosophical change. I 1:40:02.600 --> 1:40:04.880 guess it's more And it's a good point in the 1:40:04.960 --> 1:40:09.320 email the way it's phrased. With mac Wilson, it wasn't 1:40:09.360 --> 1:40:11.720 a philosophy change with mac Wilson. They realized the guy 1:40:11.880 --> 1:40:15.880 was better used doing something else. Do you think there's 1:40:15.920 --> 1:40:19.160 a chance that something similar happens with Marte Moppua? I 1:40:19.160 --> 1:40:19.800 guess is the point? 1:40:21.640 --> 1:40:24.360 I think that, yes, But I think that they might 1:40:24.439 --> 1:40:26.960 look at it and say, well, we're gonna use him 1:40:26.960 --> 1:40:29.920 for the Kyle Duggar role, not Kyle Duggar's role last year, 1:40:30.000 --> 1:40:32.599 but like Kyle Duggar's role when Devin mccordy was still here, 1:40:33.280 --> 1:40:34.800 and he's going to be close to the line of 1:40:34.840 --> 1:40:37.160 scrimmage and playing at the first and second level and 1:40:37.640 --> 1:40:38.759 like that, it all. 1:40:38.720 --> 1:40:40.040 Is kind of the same at that. 1:40:42.160 --> 1:40:46.679 But you want kind of thing, yeah, yeah, this, uh, well. 1:40:46.640 --> 1:40:48.839 We'll see. But you mentioned the loons of Heismith. 1:40:48.880 --> 1:40:52.280 I know we talked about him earlier, but one of 1:40:52.360 --> 1:40:55.200 the things that I think is encouraging about him too 1:40:55.439 --> 1:40:59.040 is that, you know, he's really good at like being 1:40:59.120 --> 1:41:02.680 like a liaison between the players, the coaching staff and 1:41:02.800 --> 1:41:05.880 the front office with the players and is somebody that 1:41:06.120 --> 1:41:09.040 like is almost like a sounding board for the players 1:41:09.160 --> 1:41:11.400 to like kind of come to him and then you know, 1:41:11.560 --> 1:41:15.120 say come with you know, concerns or whatever. And I 1:41:15.200 --> 1:41:17.840 think that's like a really important role because it kind 1:41:17.880 --> 1:41:21.920 of separates Elliott Wolf from like the players a little bit, 1:41:22.160 --> 1:41:25.400 right and kind serves as like a buffer between those. 1:41:25.439 --> 1:41:28.519 So I'm actually very encouraged about him being on the staff. 1:41:28.520 --> 1:41:29.679 I think that's a really good hire. 1:41:29.760 --> 1:41:31.120 And I mean, you get a former player in that 1:41:31.200 --> 1:41:34.680 front office where Cameron Williams played in college, but you know, 1:41:34.840 --> 1:41:39.160 former NFL, high profile NFL player. You don't need your 1:41:39.320 --> 1:41:41.160 entire front office to be former players. They don't need 1:41:41.160 --> 1:41:43.600 your entire coaching staff to be former players. But you 1:41:43.600 --> 1:41:46.920 shouldn't be entirely devoid of them either. I truly believe that. 1:41:47.120 --> 1:41:49.719 So I think high Smith adds that important elmet Let's 1:41:49.800 --> 1:41:52.880 go to William and Philadelphia on the phones. William on 1:41:53.000 --> 1:41:54.680 a very interactive catch twenty two. 1:41:55.760 --> 1:41:56.639 What's going on out? 1:41:56.800 --> 1:41:56.960 Hey? 1:41:59.439 --> 1:42:00.800 What's going on to you too? Evan? 1:42:01.760 --> 1:42:03.760 How you doing all right? Now? 1:42:04.840 --> 1:42:06.920 So I have was I just want to say this 1:42:07.000 --> 1:42:09.599 one first, Well, so much pushback on Drake may Man. 1:42:09.680 --> 1:42:10.760 That's wow. 1:42:10.840 --> 1:42:13.240 I ain't knew Patriot's fans was out on him like that. 1:42:13.360 --> 1:42:16.800 I like Drake Mayy. I know, maybe maybe he can 1:42:16.880 --> 1:42:18.720 do those passes. I don't know. Maybe he wasn't asked, 1:42:18.760 --> 1:42:20.639 Maybe he was just asked to be in a shotgun 1:42:20.720 --> 1:42:25.320 scheme and whatnot. No, I don't know. Excu's the noise 1:42:25.360 --> 1:42:27.519 in the background. Sorry, I'm outside right now. 1:42:28.600 --> 1:42:29.320 I do right now. 1:42:31.200 --> 1:42:33.000 Well, I want to ask you some co questions in 1:42:33.200 --> 1:42:38.080 terms of the draft whatnot. So what do y'all think about? Well, 1:42:38.080 --> 1:42:41.200 I'm gonna say no, let me say this one first, Evan, 1:42:41.240 --> 1:42:44.360 that you were coming out Mark Marvin Harrison Jr. Look, 1:42:44.439 --> 1:42:46.400 I know the Patriots fans, we all want him in 1:42:46.479 --> 1:42:48.880 all do not get me wrong, But I like Roman 1:42:49.240 --> 1:42:54.040 what's the name Roman Wilson from Michigan. Guy, my god, 1:42:54.160 --> 1:42:57.400 I'm with you. Uh we gotta get him. 1:42:57.920 --> 1:42:58.120 Yeah. 1:42:59.080 --> 1:43:00.800 That one hand catch that did it for me. I 1:43:00.960 --> 1:43:03.599 was like his rowse, he looks so crisp doing him joint. 1:43:03.720 --> 1:43:06.400 I was just like, oh, man, can we please get him? 1:43:07.479 --> 1:43:10.960 And also, what do you think of Brandon Rice? And uh, 1:43:11.080 --> 1:43:14.360 who was the other one? There was another one, Brandon Rice, 1:43:14.400 --> 1:43:15.519 which has Jerry Rice done? 1:43:15.600 --> 1:43:16.479 Do you remember the school? 1:43:17.760 --> 1:43:18.000 Yeah? 1:43:18.920 --> 1:43:19.600 What school was that? 1:43:19.760 --> 1:43:22.400 I can't I can't think of the other receiver though, 1:43:22.960 --> 1:43:25.519 Oh the one receiver everybody talking about. What's his name name? 1:43:25.920 --> 1:43:26.240 Cocky? 1:43:26.560 --> 1:43:28.960 Oh Lad mccakkeye, Yeah, Lad mccaukaye from Georgia. 1:43:29.000 --> 1:43:30.240 My goyeah, man, I. 1:43:30.320 --> 1:43:32.560 Mean, I mean, I get it. I understand. He's like 1:43:32.640 --> 1:43:34.719 a Julian. I get he he's always open. 1:43:34.880 --> 1:43:35.320 I get it. 1:43:35.560 --> 1:43:36.000 I get it. 1:43:36.080 --> 1:43:37.960 But I still want Roman Wilson. I want something a 1:43:37.960 --> 1:43:39.960 little different. That's just me personally. 1:43:40.160 --> 1:43:42.439 All right, Thanks for the call, William all right, take 1:43:42.479 --> 1:43:44.519 care now. So it's funny he brought those two names up. 1:43:44.520 --> 1:43:46.160 I'm working on my mock draft right now. Give a 1:43:46.200 --> 1:43:51.960 little spoiler alert. I'm I'm deciding between Brandon Rice and 1:43:52.080 --> 1:43:54.880 Roman Wilson, and I'm really going back and forth. Those 1:43:54.920 --> 1:43:57.960 are two good players, as you like to say't I 1:43:57.960 --> 1:43:59.479 think that's a flavor thing, right, what do you want? 1:43:59.520 --> 1:44:02.000 They're both good, but they both win completely differently. 1:44:03.400 --> 1:44:05.599 Yeah, I was really impressed with both of them. 1:44:05.640 --> 1:44:08.400 And Mobile, I mean, remind Wilson, as as Williams said, 1:44:08.479 --> 1:44:11.439 is just he's he's crispy, right, Like his routes are 1:44:11.560 --> 1:44:15.240 just efficient, quick, sudden, all of the things that you love. 1:44:16.160 --> 1:44:20.439 Sets up routes fantastically well, great ball skills. You know, 1:44:20.479 --> 1:44:22.160 I had the one handed catch, but he caught the 1:44:22.200 --> 1:44:25.720 ball really well all week. He's a smooth criminal out 1:44:25.720 --> 1:44:26.200 there like that. 1:44:26.439 --> 1:44:30.320 That's what he does. Brendan Rice is yeah, you know, 1:44:30.400 --> 1:44:33.280 he's he's an ex He's a bullyball receiver. 1:44:34.120 --> 1:44:36.559 He But I think what it was impressive about him, 1:44:36.800 --> 1:44:39.599 you know, first day was a lot of the contested catches, 1:44:39.680 --> 1:44:42.599 a lot of you know, grabs through traffic and things 1:44:42.720 --> 1:44:45.519 like that. But then on day two, he ran some 1:44:45.720 --> 1:44:47.560 routes and actually got open. I thought he got it 1:44:47.600 --> 1:44:49.720 open in the red zone periods too, and in day 1:44:49.760 --> 1:44:51.880 three a little bit. So I think he's someone that 1:44:51.960 --> 1:44:55.000 even for his size six twoish, he can get down 1:44:55.040 --> 1:44:57.160 and he can sink and come in and out of 1:44:57.240 --> 1:44:59.280 breaks and things. I don't think he's gonna be a dynamic, 1:44:59.439 --> 1:45:02.040 top of the out type of guy, but for his size, 1:45:02.080 --> 1:45:05.200 I think he can do that. So it depends what 1:45:05.320 --> 1:45:07.840 they tackle in free agency. And I know that some 1:45:08.040 --> 1:45:10.240 people think it's a cop out, but this is the 1:45:10.240 --> 1:45:13.320 biggest thing that that gets on my nerves, Alex is, 1:45:13.360 --> 1:45:16.519 like we're talking about these things like free agency doesn't exist. 1:45:17.040 --> 1:45:19.360 So like if they if they signed Michael Pittman or 1:45:19.400 --> 1:45:21.240 they signed t Higgins or something like that. 1:45:21.400 --> 1:45:25.400 Oh no, it's not going to be Brandon Rice, right, shouldn't. 1:45:26.439 --> 1:45:29.200 If they signed Calvin Ridley, then it's probably not going 1:45:29.280 --> 1:45:31.000 to be a Roman Wilson, right, like you know, Like 1:45:31.120 --> 1:45:33.760 so like that, that's that's all it is. And it's 1:45:33.800 --> 1:45:35.680 good to talk about all these guys because you get 1:45:35.680 --> 1:45:38.320 all the different sort of flavors that they would be 1:45:38.360 --> 1:45:41.960 at their disposal. I still think Brandon Rice is in 1:45:42.080 --> 1:45:44.840 this class, it's such a deep receiver class. Is he 1:45:44.920 --> 1:45:47.280 a third round pick? Is he maybe, you know, probably 1:45:47.320 --> 1:45:51.080 a late third round pick something like that. But I 1:45:51.400 --> 1:45:53.080 don't know if he's necessarily going to go. I think 1:45:53.160 --> 1:45:56.760 Roman Wilson could go very high, like not first round, 1:45:56.840 --> 1:45:59.519 but uh, you know, someplace in the second round. 1:46:00.800 --> 1:46:02.840 I think he might fall a little bit. And that's 1:46:02.880 --> 1:46:04.599 not to say he's not a good player. I think 1:46:05.479 --> 1:46:08.560 teams value production. He doesn't. And some of this is 1:46:08.640 --> 1:46:11.160 just the class, right, he doesn't have the production that 1:46:11.320 --> 1:46:14.160 some of these other guys do. He's a little bit 1:46:14.200 --> 1:46:15.240 on the smaller side. 1:46:15.320 --> 1:46:17.040 Would he have had the production that some of these 1:46:17.080 --> 1:46:18.719 other guys do if he played at a different. 1:46:18.520 --> 1:46:21.640 See Yeah, but but how many teams miss that? Like 1:46:21.960 --> 1:46:25.439 look at where Pokinako went last year? Yeah, and this 1:46:25.600 --> 1:46:28.000 thing he went. I think teams are more willing to 1:46:28.000 --> 1:46:29.400 say that, Like I look at Tank Dell who went 1:46:29.439 --> 1:46:30.760 in the third round that year. Like Tank Dell went 1:46:30.800 --> 1:46:32.960 to Houston. They weren't a Power five school at the time. 1:46:33.400 --> 1:46:35.160 I think teams are more willing to look at a 1:46:35.200 --> 1:46:37.120 guy like that, whereas like Roman Wilson went to Michigan. 1:46:39.080 --> 1:46:42.479 So yeah, I know, but it's a run first offense 1:46:42.920 --> 1:46:46.320 with JJ McCarthy as the quarterback. Like if Roman Wilson's 1:46:46.320 --> 1:46:49.320 getting fed the ball in CFB last year, if he's 1:46:49.360 --> 1:46:52.200 in Washington's offense, like if you imagine the numbers he 1:46:52.200 --> 1:46:54.720 would have put up with Michael Pennix last year, it 1:46:54.760 --> 1:46:56.960 would have been you know, like that. That's that's My 1:46:57.080 --> 1:47:01.800 only point is just that he is not the competition 1:47:01.960 --> 1:47:03.960 or anything like that. It's more just like the type 1:47:03.960 --> 1:47:05.599 of offense that he was in. You know, they ran 1:47:05.800 --> 1:47:07.280 fall percent of the time. 1:47:07.520 --> 1:47:10.000 Yeah, no, that I'm just we know NFL teams don't 1:47:10.000 --> 1:47:12.920 always get this right. And romand William Roman Wilson, we 1:47:12.920 --> 1:47:16.280 talked about J. J. McCarthy the other way. Yeah, teams 1:47:16.360 --> 1:47:18.720 love JJ McCarthy and they're gonna kind of look at 1:47:18.800 --> 1:47:20.959 Roman Wilson and be like, well, we love this quarterback 1:47:21.640 --> 1:47:22.920 and this guy didn't really produce. 1:47:23.600 --> 1:47:24.240 So I. 1:47:25.960 --> 1:47:30.200 Screams Roman Wilson, screams the guy the league missed. It's 1:47:30.240 --> 1:47:31.680 not me saying I don't like him, that I think 1:47:31.720 --> 1:47:34.479 he's gonna fall. It's just all these receivers that we've 1:47:34.520 --> 1:47:37.760 seen fall the last few years. It's a gut thing 1:47:38.080 --> 1:47:40.800 like romand Wilson to me, is the guy that a 1:47:40.920 --> 1:47:42.640 year from now. We're sitting here and I'm trying to 1:47:42.640 --> 1:47:44.800 make the case that the Patriots can draft some guy 1:47:44.880 --> 1:47:48.360 on day three instead of in round three instead around two. 1:47:48.360 --> 1:47:50.320 And I'm sitting here saying, well, look at romand Wilson 1:47:50.439 --> 1:47:52.559 last year, Like he just screams that kind of guy 1:47:52.600 --> 1:47:55.280 to me. So he's a mon ross name Brown, That's 1:47:55.280 --> 1:47:56.519 I don't know why couldn't think of his name. I 1:47:56.600 --> 1:47:58.080 was trying to think of his name. Thank you? Yes, 1:47:58.520 --> 1:48:00.519 who is actually your comp for hims? So perfect? 1:48:00.800 --> 1:48:04.600 Yeah, so Lad McConkie is I like Laddi McConkie. 1:48:04.840 --> 1:48:07.679 I think that he was more a little bit more explosive, 1:48:07.680 --> 1:48:09.559 a little bit more bursty than I gave him credit 1:48:09.640 --> 1:48:12.400 for before I saw him in person. But yeah, that's 1:48:12.439 --> 1:48:15.519 such a setting that Lad McConkie should shine in. Like 1:48:15.640 --> 1:48:17.320 there's no there's not a ton of contact. 1:48:17.800 --> 1:48:18.840 It's one on ones. 1:48:19.439 --> 1:48:22.080 Like if you're a route runner, if you're a guy 1:48:22.120 --> 1:48:25.040 that gets open like that, you have to be able 1:48:25.080 --> 1:48:27.559 to get open in that type of setting in mobile 1:48:27.640 --> 1:48:31.000 otherwise you're you're you're really in trouble. So I don't 1:48:31.040 --> 1:48:34.360 want to put too much stock in lad McConkie at 1:48:34.360 --> 1:48:37.360 the Senior Bowl during one on ones because like that's 1:48:37.560 --> 1:48:38.920 that should be his bread and butter. 1:48:40.600 --> 1:48:43.760 I still think he's at his best as like a 1:48:43.840 --> 1:48:46.120 strong number two receiver. I still don't know if he's 1:48:46.160 --> 1:48:47.040 a coverage dictator. 1:48:47.800 --> 1:48:49.439 Yeah, yeah, that's more than fair. 1:48:49.960 --> 1:48:52.200 All right. As we wrap it up here, we work 1:48:52.240 --> 1:48:53.759 through all the calls, who work through all the emails 1:48:53.800 --> 1:48:56.640 again on a very interactive catch twenty two. It is 1:48:56.720 --> 1:49:00.120 super Bowl week. Yeah, super Bowl week. We've got the 1:49:00.200 --> 1:49:03.920 Niners and the Chiefs in a couple of days. We 1:49:04.000 --> 1:49:05.519 can do picks for the game. But more so we 1:49:05.640 --> 1:49:08.519 kind of talked about it earlier. Evan, I'm just what 1:49:08.680 --> 1:49:11.439 do we learn? I say this every year there's something 1:49:11.520 --> 1:49:14.080 there's one big lesson learned from every Super Bowl. It's 1:49:14.080 --> 1:49:17.240 always something different, copycat league. There's always one big lesson 1:49:17.320 --> 1:49:19.519 learned from every Super Bowl that you see kind of become, 1:49:20.280 --> 1:49:22.760 you know, a trend or teams try to pick up on, 1:49:22.960 --> 1:49:25.599 or just a focus or something like that. And sometimes 1:49:25.640 --> 1:49:28.080 it depends who wins I or sometimes it's on Huluse 1:49:28.760 --> 1:49:33.639 the Chiefs, the Chiefs Buck super Bowl in twenty twenty, 1:49:34.040 --> 1:49:37.160 I thought kicked off a lot of you talked about earlier, 1:49:37.360 --> 1:49:40.320 the lines with Pinney seool this, Hey, we've got to 1:49:40.400 --> 1:49:43.560 put more into building the front because you had the 1:49:43.600 --> 1:49:45.320 Bengals kind of get run out of the playoffs with 1:49:45.360 --> 1:49:47.080 the bad front, and then you had the Chiefs just 1:49:47.200 --> 1:49:49.439 unable to block anybody with all those weapons they had. 1:49:49.439 --> 1:49:52.320 They had Peak Kelsey, peak Tyreek Kill with Patrick Mahomes 1:49:52.360 --> 1:49:55.360 all of that. As you look at this Super Bowl, 1:49:56.120 --> 1:49:59.000 what is maybe the lesson that we're gonna end up 1:49:59.000 --> 1:50:01.400 taking away from the Sunday night that we we come 1:50:01.520 --> 1:50:03.720 back here on this show next week could say, well, 1:50:03.760 --> 1:50:07.000 the Patriots should do this because of what happened in 1:50:07.040 --> 1:50:07.639 the Super Bowl. 1:50:09.080 --> 1:50:09.800 It's a good question. 1:50:12.080 --> 1:50:14.559 I think it's gonna be something that I don't necessarily 1:50:14.640 --> 1:50:16.559 subscribe to, you know. I think it's gonna be something 1:50:16.600 --> 1:50:19.160 that I'm gonna end up being wrong about, uh, in 1:50:19.240 --> 1:50:21.040 the in at least some ways. 1:50:21.200 --> 1:50:21.400 Yeah. 1:50:21.560 --> 1:50:24.960 Uh, I look at it and say that it's either 1:50:25.040 --> 1:50:30.160 gonna be something about defense. Rightley, Defense still still holds up. 1:50:30.240 --> 1:50:34.599 Defense still matters win championships. Yeah, whether it's Spags doing 1:50:34.680 --> 1:50:38.639 his thing or the Niners defense playing better because they actually, 1:50:38.640 --> 1:50:40.800 you know, the Niners defense hasn't actually been that great 1:50:41.840 --> 1:50:45.200 for most of the year, or I think it could 1:50:45.240 --> 1:50:47.560 come down to these two running backs, like this is 1:50:47.600 --> 1:50:51.240 a really good Not that Isaiah Pacheco and Christian McCaffer 1:50:51.240 --> 1:50:53.840 are going up against each other, but this is a 1:50:54.080 --> 1:50:56.240 those are two really dynamic backs. 1:50:56.880 --> 1:50:57.000 Uh. 1:50:57.600 --> 1:50:59.800 And I wouldn't be surprised if if we come out 1:50:59.800 --> 1:51:01.880 of this game and one of those guys is Super 1:51:01.880 --> 1:51:02.400 Bowl MVP. 1:51:02.720 --> 1:51:03.240 I wouldn't. 1:51:03.800 --> 1:51:07.080 So I think that you're gonna see some of that, 1:51:07.720 --> 1:51:11.120 you know, Kansas City in my mind, you know, what 1:51:11.479 --> 1:51:15.200 they've how they've turned mostly into like the Patriots of 1:51:15.280 --> 1:51:20.240 old in my eyes, is that they've now realized that 1:51:20.400 --> 1:51:25.040 wherever their talent around Patrick Mahomes takes them, they can 1:51:25.160 --> 1:51:28.680 kind of just ebb and flow with wherever they can 1:51:28.800 --> 1:51:33.200 find the talent. Right like now, it started with Patrick 1:51:33.280 --> 1:51:37.600 Mahomes and it's they're this high flying offense they you know, 1:51:37.720 --> 1:51:40.040 eighteen nineteen Kansas City is like one of the best 1:51:40.120 --> 1:51:42.519 offenses in the NFL history, like up there with those 1:51:42.560 --> 1:51:43.400 seven Patriots. 1:51:43.920 --> 1:51:46.120 Then they lose some of that offensive. 1:51:45.760 --> 1:51:49.400 Talent, but the board follows towards defense for them, and 1:51:49.479 --> 1:51:52.080 they add Trent McDuffie and they add lugerious need, and 1:51:52.160 --> 1:51:54.920 they add you know, they have Chris Jones there already, 1:51:55.640 --> 1:51:58.439 and now all of a sudden, they're like this offense 1:51:58.560 --> 1:52:02.240 that does just an enough that you know, we're gonna 1:52:02.280 --> 1:52:05.599 score twenty four on offense and our defense is gonna 1:52:05.600 --> 1:52:06.439 hold you to twenty one. 1:52:06.720 --> 1:52:08.439 Right like that, That's like, which. 1:52:08.200 --> 1:52:10.280 Is what they've kind of the model that we thought 1:52:10.280 --> 1:52:11.880 the Patriots are going forward the last few years. 1:52:12.360 --> 1:52:15.160 Yeah, you know, it just it seems like that. 1:52:15.600 --> 1:52:20.120 That's what makes the Chiefs so unique is that, like 1:52:20.240 --> 1:52:23.280 they have Mahomes, so they know that they're gonna get 1:52:23.439 --> 1:52:26.680 some offense. Like they're not gonna be completely shut out 1:52:26.760 --> 1:52:30.240 on offense, but they have kind of they've morphed, they've 1:52:30.360 --> 1:52:33.519 changed the way that they play football now. So it's 1:52:33.560 --> 1:52:36.360 gonna be interesting to see if that's gonna be enough 1:52:36.439 --> 1:52:37.599 against the forty nine ers. 1:52:37.920 --> 1:52:40.240 I hoped a big prevailing takeaway from the Super Bowl, 1:52:40.280 --> 1:52:40.559 as you. 1:52:40.600 --> 1:52:43.599 Know, Alex, is that Kyle Shanahan has finally anointed himself 1:52:43.680 --> 1:52:47.519 as as a great head coach. That's what That's what 1:52:47.640 --> 1:52:50.240 I hope, But I don't know if that's gonna happen. 1:52:50.280 --> 1:52:53.160 So I got to give you the list on on 1:52:53.400 --> 1:52:56.200 Shanahan because and we've talked about this off the year. 1:52:56.240 --> 1:52:59.120 I don't know that we've ever had this conversation on 1:52:59.200 --> 1:53:03.040 the air. But first, just my thoughts on the lessons 1:53:03.080 --> 1:53:06.960 we might learn from the Super Bowl outside of Mahomes 1:53:07.960 --> 1:53:09.679 that chiefs offense does not have a lot of talent, 1:53:10.520 --> 1:53:13.400 really doesn't like Rashi Rice is fine. I don't know 1:53:13.479 --> 1:53:15.479 that he'd be as productive anywhere else. They'd kind of 1:53:15.479 --> 1:53:17.080 have to force feed him the ball. And I really 1:53:17.160 --> 1:53:20.200 like Isaia Pacheco, But I mean, is it that in 1:53:20.320 --> 1:53:23.200 terms of just talent outside of the quarterback position, is 1:53:23.280 --> 1:53:27.840 it that different than what the Patriots have? Not, which, 1:53:27.880 --> 1:53:30.519 to me, the lesson would be do everything he can 1:53:30.640 --> 1:53:33.560 to get the quarterback. And this is applying this is 1:53:33.640 --> 1:53:35.519 looking at through the lens of a draft guy to 1:53:35.600 --> 1:53:37.719 everything he can to get the quarterback because he's gonna 1:53:37.720 --> 1:53:40.880 be able to elevate if the Niners win. The lesson 1:53:40.960 --> 1:53:45.080 isn't Evan I actually wrote about this off something off 1:53:45.120 --> 1:53:46.920 an interview you had. I forget if it was Matt 1:53:46.960 --> 1:53:48.519 I think it was Matt Grow. You interviewed matc Grow 1:53:48.520 --> 1:53:50.120 and Cameron Williams at the Senior Bowl and I forget 1:53:50.200 --> 1:53:53.439 which one of them gave the quote about all the 1:53:53.479 --> 1:53:58.440 teams in the final round of the playoffs have explosive 1:53:58.479 --> 1:54:03.519 playmakers on offense. Yeah, okay, so I took that quote 1:54:04.160 --> 1:54:07.360 really ground level phase value. All right, let's talk about 1:54:07.400 --> 1:54:09.280 the teams that made the deep He used the word 1:54:09.320 --> 1:54:11.760 deep run, so we'll call it the final four. Yeah, 1:54:11.840 --> 1:54:16.000 forty nine ers their best skill position players, George Kittle, Deebo, 1:54:16.160 --> 1:54:21.840 Samuel Brandon, Ayuk, Christian McCaffrey. Three of those four guys 1:54:21.880 --> 1:54:23.640 were not first round picks by the Niners. The other 1:54:23.680 --> 1:54:25.639 one was a late first round pick after they'd already 1:54:25.680 --> 1:54:30.200 established their offense. The Detroit Lions, they did use a 1:54:30.280 --> 1:54:33.280 first round pick on Jameson Williams, but that was after 1:54:33.360 --> 1:54:36.160 they added their real weapon, their real leader offensively, Aman 1:54:36.240 --> 1:54:38.280 Ross Saint Brown in the fourth round. 1:54:39.160 --> 1:54:39.360 Yeah. 1:54:39.520 --> 1:54:42.080 You look at the Chiefs Travis Kelsey Day two pick, 1:54:42.440 --> 1:54:45.680 Rashie Rice drafted later on Isaiah Pacheco's seventh round pick. 1:54:46.520 --> 1:54:49.760 The one exception may be the Ravens because they did 1:54:49.880 --> 1:54:52.840 use a first on Za and I think Baitan was 1:54:52.880 --> 1:54:55.640 a first round pick too, right, But you look at 1:54:55.680 --> 1:54:57.480 they got Mark Andrews later on in the draft. They 1:54:57.600 --> 1:55:00.640 signed Odell Beckham as a free agent. These teams all 1:55:00.720 --> 1:55:04.000 do have incredible explosive players, the heavy majority of them 1:55:04.040 --> 1:55:06.040 were not first round picks, at least not by that team. 1:55:06.400 --> 1:55:11.640 Right McCaffrey was traded something like that. There's so much 1:55:12.080 --> 1:55:16.240 skill position talent coming into the league now that you 1:55:16.320 --> 1:55:18.000 can get. You don't need to use a first round 1:55:18.000 --> 1:55:20.600 pick to get an elite playmaker. You do soft to 1:55:20.640 --> 1:55:23.200 correctly identify and develop the guy, which is where I 1:55:23.240 --> 1:55:25.960 think the Patriots have fallen short. But you do not 1:55:26.120 --> 1:55:27.800 need to use a first round pick. Now you look 1:55:27.840 --> 1:55:31.720 at those teams, how they the quarterbacks three first round 1:55:31.760 --> 1:55:35.640 picks and brock Purty is when you have the talent 1:55:35.680 --> 1:55:38.600 the Niners have, you can trust your seventh round quarterbacks. 1:55:38.600 --> 1:55:40.840 Patriots don't have a time watching. 1:55:41.320 --> 1:55:41.520 I know. 1:55:41.760 --> 1:55:45.360 I'm the one who said when Jimmy Garoppolo got hurt 1:55:45.440 --> 1:55:47.000 last year that brock Purty was going to lead them 1:55:47.000 --> 1:55:49.120 to the conference championship. By the way, I don't know 1:55:49.200 --> 1:55:49.800 what I'm watching. 1:55:50.720 --> 1:55:52.160 He's the next Joe Montage. 1:55:52.520 --> 1:55:55.000 Three of the four quarterbacks are first round picks or 1:55:55.080 --> 1:55:57.879 Jerry Goff traded for first round pick, and the offensive 1:55:57.920 --> 1:56:00.800 lines are loaded with first round talent. Yeah, I think 1:56:00.840 --> 1:56:03.080 that's the I think that's the lesson you'll learn. I 1:56:03.120 --> 1:56:04.280 think that's the lesson you'll learn. 1:56:05.320 --> 1:56:08.160 I think you're you're getting into this age of football 1:56:08.240 --> 1:56:11.440 in a lot of ways. You know, Lions, Niners, you 1:56:11.520 --> 1:56:13.520 know a lot of these teams are building up the 1:56:13.640 --> 1:56:17.480 roster around the quarterback and then just drop in quarterbacks 1:56:17.560 --> 1:56:23.440 that whether it's Jared Goff, Brock Purty level or better. Uh, 1:56:23.600 --> 1:56:26.400 if they can find better, and then you know, I 1:56:26.520 --> 1:56:28.640 maybe I would say better would be like Stafford, you 1:56:28.720 --> 1:56:33.120 know at the Rams, uh and that, and that's how 1:56:33.160 --> 1:56:34.680 they've built it. And I think that that in a 1:56:34.720 --> 1:56:37.120 lot of ways, if you're the Patriots, you do have 1:56:37.200 --> 1:56:39.960 to look at that model and say, if we take 1:56:40.000 --> 1:56:42.680 a quarterback at three overall, like, are are we sure 1:56:42.760 --> 1:56:45.600 that it's gonna work out? Because that quarterback is gonna 1:56:45.640 --> 1:56:46.480 have to cover up a lot. 1:56:47.360 --> 1:56:48.960 But I think the lesson is if you're not gonna 1:56:49.000 --> 1:56:50.720 do that, you take a tackle, not a receiver. 1:56:51.400 --> 1:56:51.600 Yeah. 1:56:52.760 --> 1:56:57.640 Right on Shanahan, here's what's a stake. Kyle Shanahan is 1:56:57.720 --> 1:56:59.800 in his seventh year as the head coach of the 1:56:59.880 --> 1:57:03.640 night He has not won a super Bowl. He is 1:57:03.760 --> 1:57:06.840 the longest tenured NFL head coach right now, like with 1:57:07.000 --> 1:57:08.920 his team, with the team he's on that has not 1:57:09.200 --> 1:57:13.040 won a Super Bowl. Here's the company he's approaching. There 1:57:13.120 --> 1:57:15.080 are one, two, three, four, five, six, nine coaches in 1:57:15.240 --> 1:57:18.800 NFL history who coached somewhere for ten years without winning 1:57:18.800 --> 1:57:22.040 a Super Bowl. It's eight and then there's a there's 1:57:22.040 --> 1:57:29.000 an asterisk here. Marvel Levy, Marv Lewis, Ted Marchibroda, Jeff Fisher, 1:57:29.720 --> 1:57:33.800 Dan Reeves, Jason Garrett, Andy Reid and Philly he obviously 1:57:33.800 --> 1:57:36.360 won a Super Bowl later, Andy Reid and Philly, Dennis 1:57:36.440 --> 1:57:40.480 Green and Jim Mora. Mike Holmgren also coached the Seahawks 1:57:40.480 --> 1:57:42.080 for ten years, but he had previously won a title 1:57:42.120 --> 1:57:44.760 with the Packers, so I'm not counting him. My point is, 1:57:44.840 --> 1:57:48.480 this is the group. Kyle Shanahan has this Super Bowl 1:57:48.560 --> 1:57:51.120 in two more years to prove to me that he 1:57:51.280 --> 1:57:52.760 is not Jeff Fisher or Marvel Lewis. 1:57:53.520 --> 1:57:55.400 Oh my god, that's ridiculous. 1:57:55.600 --> 1:57:58.560 This is his This is his comp right now, Evan, 1:57:59.280 --> 1:58:00.440 this is his comp He. 1:58:00.480 --> 1:58:02.760 Isn't better coach than Jeff Fisher. Stop. 1:58:03.160 --> 1:58:03.880 This is it is. 1:58:04.120 --> 1:58:05.920 It has not been done a lot. Jeff Fisher is 1:58:05.920 --> 1:58:07.320 not a bad coach. He was good enough to hang 1:58:07.360 --> 1:58:10.600 around for ten years. But this these are his peers. 1:58:11.160 --> 1:58:13.280 This is his company until he wins one. And for 1:58:13.400 --> 1:58:15.720 what it's worth. So I said he's the longest he's tied. 1:58:15.880 --> 1:58:18.360 Sean McDermott also fits in this category. They're hired the 1:58:18.360 --> 1:58:22.840 same year, so you know that his company right now. 1:58:23.000 --> 1:58:25.000 I'm root in this game, and this is making me 1:58:25.040 --> 1:58:26.240 want to root for him even more. 1:58:26.440 --> 1:58:31.240 His company right now is Sean McDermott, Marv Lewis, Jeff Fisher, 1:58:32.200 --> 1:58:34.720 Dennis Green, Jim Morden. You're gonna say he's Philly, Andy 1:58:34.800 --> 1:58:36.920 Reid because Andy Reid is on this list. I threw 1:58:36.960 --> 1:58:38.240 that one in for you when you missed it. 1:58:39.200 --> 1:58:41.800 He is that I That's a comp I would always 1:58:41.840 --> 1:58:42.560 I use all the time. 1:58:42.640 --> 1:58:46.000 Though he's gotta leave San Francisco then, no, now this 1:58:46.160 --> 1:58:48.720 is his this is his time. He's got to leave, 1:58:48.720 --> 1:58:51.640 saying he needs Patrick Malomes, he needs the best quarterback 1:58:51.640 --> 1:58:52.640 in the league to win a super Bowl. 1:58:52.640 --> 1:58:54.880 If he's Andy Reed, No, no, he's winning super Bowl. 1:58:55.080 --> 1:58:56.320 You got it real quick? Who you got? 1:58:57.280 --> 1:59:01.600 I got the Niners. Go Niners, baby, I'm a Niners fan. 1:59:02.120 --> 1:59:04.960 I'm rooting for the Niners, and I want to just 1:59:05.760 --> 1:59:08.240 I want to shut up all these narratives about my guy, 1:59:08.360 --> 1:59:11.600 Kyle Shanahan, and I want to I don't want to 1:59:11.640 --> 1:59:14.600 hear your lists anymore comparing him to Jeff Fisher and 1:59:14.680 --> 1:59:15.400 Marvin Lewis. 1:59:15.920 --> 1:59:18.280 So it's not my list, that's a fact. 1:59:18.200 --> 1:59:19.840 Picking with I'm picking with that. 1:59:20.080 --> 1:59:22.600 I'm picking with my heart, and I'm saying forty nine 1:59:22.680 --> 1:59:25.680 ers get done and Kyle Shanahan finally gets it done. 1:59:25.720 --> 1:59:27.960 So we will be watching the super Bowl together. We 1:59:28.080 --> 1:59:30.240 will be we will be rooting for the same team, 1:59:30.760 --> 1:59:33.520 the Niners. I'm not betting against Chiefs. I'm not betting 1:59:33.520 --> 1:59:36.160 against Patrick Mahomes. I watched Tom Brady for twenty four 1:59:36.240 --> 1:59:38.160 years playing how many of these games. I know how 1:59:38.200 --> 1:59:40.560 this works when that guy's in this game. I know 1:59:40.680 --> 1:59:43.000 how that works. And I'm not saying Patrick Mahomes is 1:59:43.080 --> 1:59:45.840 Tom Brady, but he's this ever's equivalent. I think the 1:59:45.920 --> 1:59:48.080 Chiefs win. I want the Niners to win because I 1:59:48.160 --> 1:59:51.320 want my takes about Jimmy Garoppolo and the the net 1:59:51.400 --> 1:59:55.040 neutral quarterback and and you know pass catchers on Day two. 1:59:55.160 --> 1:59:56.960 I want all that to pan out, even if it 1:59:57.040 --> 2:00:00.280 means you get your Kyle Shanahan take, but that's who 2:00:00.320 --> 2:00:02.680 I've got. Anyway. We'll be back next week, hopefully finally 2:00:03.080 --> 2:00:06.200 in the same studio once again. 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