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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our Bark.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex barrs. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what I've done. I think I've made a mistake. Maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe I should not have exposed to you to Joe Milton, all,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much Joe Milton we're gonna do?

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Speaker 1: Why echoing?

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 1: There? We go? Okay, I don't know how much Joe

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Speaker 1: Milton talker and dude, if you can't tell, it's Alex

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Speaker 1: Bart in the host chair today on Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Evan is here, but he is sick. So two weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: two weeks ago or no, yeah, two weeks ago, two

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Speaker 1: weeks ago I was sick, yep now, and then we

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Speaker 1: had the senior balls, Evan was in mobile, and now

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Speaker 1: Evan is sick and can't come in. So let the

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theory start that we can't be in the same room.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, you hear his voice. You heard my

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Speaker 1: voice a couple of weeks ago. He was obviously in mobile.

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Speaker 1: The evidence is there, but we're underway here on a

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Speaker 1: brand new catch twenty two with obviously a ton to

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Speaker 1: get to. Even though it's three weeks in a row,

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Speaker 1: we can't manage to be being a building together, so

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be pretty heavy coaching staff front office today.

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Speaker 1: Obviously a lot has happened in that regard in the

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Speaker 1: last week. Everything has happened in that regard in the

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Speaker 1: last week. But we can get into some I know

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Speaker 1: you guys want to talk prospects with us, as you

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Speaker 1: always do. We can get into some of that as well.

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Speaker 1: Eight five five PATS five hundred is the number if

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Speaker 1: you want to call in eight five five Pats five hundred,

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Speaker 1: that's eight five five seven two eight seven five hundred,

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Speaker 1: or you can email us at web radio at Patriots

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Speaker 1: dot com. But in the meantime, Evan, where do you

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Speaker 1: want to start coaching staff or front office?

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Speaker 2: We started the coaching staff.

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Speaker 4: And just for the record, you know both of us

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Speaker 4: have done this show sick now in the last couple

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Speaker 4: of weeks, and not all heroes wear capes.

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Speaker 2: Alex.

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Speaker 4: You know, like I think that we deserve some kudos

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Speaker 4: for for playing sick in these instances.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just get your voice sounds much better

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Speaker 1: than mine did two weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm for me right now.

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Speaker 4: I just I can't get my my body temperature to

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Speaker 4: be at a normal level. I'm either super high or

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Speaker 4: super cold. And there's no there's no God.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was about to say we had a little

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Speaker 1: fun with it. I think we were jumping the shark there.

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Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's go, thank you, thanks for that, man.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into the uh, let's get into the coaching staf.

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Speaker 1: You want to start coaching staff in front office.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we can start the coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: So the coaching staff, as as it has been reported

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Speaker 1: so far, we've got a little bit more on the

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Speaker 1: who has been hot. I think got hired after our

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Speaker 1: last show, right, he got hired on Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: Mike Reheese confirmed last night as the reported last night

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Speaker 1: Still waiting on running backs, receivers, and tight ends. We'll

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Speaker 1: start with Van Pelt, who kind of came out of

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Speaker 1: system that they run in Cleveland. Now, the play calling questions,

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting hire. I'm not gonna sit here in

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Speaker 1: You know, beyond question? No, there's legitimate questions with a

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Speaker 1: trading for Patrick Mahomes, right. They got a guy that's

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Speaker 1: He runs a quarterback friendly system, and he's run his

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Speaker 4: I think it's disingenuous a little bit to come on

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, it's not the sexiest of hires.

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Speaker 4: It's not the most innovative of hires. We're not talking

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Speaker 2: So is it inspirational?

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Speaker 4: Is it, you know, somebody that I think is gonna

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Speaker 4: Scheme has a lot of good things about it that

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Speaker 4: we can get into that I do like. But it's

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Speaker 4: not I'm not over the moon about it. But I also,

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Speaker 4: They needed somebody in that coaching staff on the coordinator level,

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Speaker 2: And I know that some people are reporting or surmising.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if they've anybody's concretely reported that they

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Speaker 4: He's also a young guy. He's also never coordinated an

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Speaker 4: want to get into some of the x's and o's

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Speaker 4: It's not McVeigh, but it isn't it's adjacent, you know,

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Speaker 4: like it's they have so many brands off that tree

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Speaker 4: Stefanski does adhere a little bit to some of the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all good points. I want to get to the

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Speaker 1: the other offensive Highers, TC McCartney, Scott Peters or Ben McAdoo,

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Speaker 4: I feel like this happens in coaching, and I know

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Speaker 4: he wanted Josh Allen over Sam Darnold, and YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 4: But if those things are true, then that is encouraging

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Speaker 4: I'm not the biggest Ben mcadew fan from his time

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Speaker 2: Ho about it.

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Speaker 4: But from what I understand, he's a good He's a

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Speaker 4: good eye for quarterback talent, a good eye for offensive

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Speaker 2: From what they know. Has been reported in the past, and.

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Speaker 4: That's something that we've talked about that this team has

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Speaker 4: struggled with what not just that quarterback but at receiver,

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Speaker 4: you know, at tight end, they haven't really been a

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Speaker 4: So maybe Ben McAdoo is somebody that can come in

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Speaker 2: Bit of a dual role there.

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Speaker 4: Of coaching these guys but also having an eye for

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Speaker 1: I'll give you the one thing on did interest me,

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Speaker 1: and this is a little outside of the box. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that the quarterback stuff's impressive, but I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it sounds a little bit to me like Bill Paulian

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Speaker 1: saying he knew Brady was a first round pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: Right. Where mcadow's interesting to me is, Look, Tom Coughlin's

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Speaker 1: not Bill Belichick, obviously, but he's a guy that's the

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Speaker 1: greatest coach in franchise history. He won multiple Super Bowls,

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Speaker 1: he was there, he was there for a long time,

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Speaker 1: he was highly revered. Like, that's not an easy guy

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Speaker 1: to replace by any means, and mcadew had to do it,

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Speaker 1: and it didn't go well. He got let go late

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I look you know, you look at it,

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Speaker 4: there's weird odd blocking angles, there's different setups things like that.

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Speaker 4: It's not quite as exotic or as creative as that,

433
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 4: but the principles are the same of we're gonna show

434
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Speaker 4: you run formation, run block, and then we're gonna bootleg

435
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 4: off of it, or we're gonna play action off of

436
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 4: it and we're gonna generate big plays down the field.

437
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 4: So when you look at all these things, I think

438
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 4: what's encouraging about it is that you can see a system.

439
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 4: You can see the game plan, you can see a

440
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 4: real systemic way of how they like to get to

441
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 4: their things, and they buy into it. You know, they

442
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 4: are a run first team, but they buy into it

443
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 4: to run the play action off of it, which I

444
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 4: think in a lot of ways, Alex, like you should

445
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 4: be excited about that. That's yeah, this is this is

446
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 4: real man football, like you like to say, like, this

447
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 4: is this is big boy football. They're gonna want to

448
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 4: run the ball and they're gonna want to run the

449
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 4: play action off of it. And really that's what the

450
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 4: the the real you know, crux of the offenses is

451
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 4: creating those explosive plays. And then when they get into

452
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Speaker 4: past situations, whether it's third down, you know, short yardage,

453
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 4: obvious past two minute, that sort of thing, they'll run

454
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Speaker 4: West Coast type of offensive you know, staples in the

455
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 4: passing game, but they're not trying to they're not trying

456
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 4: to generate too many explosives. And when I say that,

457
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 4: it's not like they obviously every team wants to generate

458
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 4: explosive all the time, right, but they're not their West

459
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 4: Coast pass game like and you know, third and five

460
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 4: is really just to pick six hours up, right, Like

461
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 4: if they get extra yards from it, great, their first

462
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 4: and second down play calling and the explosive plays off

463
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 4: play action, that's where they want to really hit the

464
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 4: chunk plays.

465
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Speaker 2: And move the offense.

466
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Speaker 4: So as we get into it some more here, I

467
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 4: think one of the cool things that we can talk

468
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Speaker 4: about is how this fits, you know, draft prospects, free agency,

469
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 4: you know, that sort of thing. Because I do think

470
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Speaker 4: that if this is exactly how they're gonna play an offense,

471
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 4: and yeah, it does, certain people definitely fitted a lot

472
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 4: better than other people in the draft.

473
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Speaker 1: And I think the big thing, I mean draft aside,

474
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Speaker 1: just in general, and I'm with you, they're gonna run

475
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: set up the pass. I know you're gonna roll your

476
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: eyes at that, but they're gonna run to set up

477
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: the play action. Yeah, run to make that work and

478
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: then try to hit their explosives off that. The tight

479
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: end has been a huge part of what they've done

480
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 1: the last four years. Yeah, three all all of the

481
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: previous four tight end was among their top three leading receivers,

482
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: was one of their top two receips three to the

483
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: last four, and Djoku led the team in catches last year.

484
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: They've got to get their version of David and Joku

485
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: and whether that's Jatavian Sanders. I look at Austin Hooper's

486
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: a free agent. He had success with alex Van Pelton Cleveland. Uh,

487
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Speaker 1: I'm blanking on on the other Cleveland tight end that

488
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: you you text me about it. Harrison Bryant, who you

489
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: really liked in the draft that year, right, weren't you?

490
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

491
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Speaker 4: I mean I was the Devin ASSISI Dalton Keene draft.

492
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Speaker 1: And we'll call it the Cole Comet draft.

493
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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe they fixed the mistake and get the guy

494
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Speaker 4: they should have drafted all along.

495
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Speaker 1: So I look at like the the three lynch pins

496
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Speaker 1: of that Browns offense, and well there's four. Like I

497
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: don't want to leave out Nick Chubb, but one they're

498
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Speaker 1: very successful without Nick Chubb last year. And two I'm

499
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: not saying Rimandre's Nick Chubb, but Ramondre is a really

500
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: good running back. Like, I don't think they need to

501
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 1: upgrade at running back to make this offense work. Now

502
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: that you get a pass catching back, that's another story.

503
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: They got to get their version of David and Joku.

504
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: They got to get their version of Amari Cooper, and

505
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: they got to get a tackle. And that sounds like

506
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: a lot, and I mean it is. You can do

507
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: all that this offseason. That's not unrealistic if you go

508
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: about it correctly. You can get those three guys this

509
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: offseason and still honestly take a quarterback third. I know

510
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people probably heard get your Amari Cooper

511
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 1: and thought, Marvin Harrison Junior, you can go out and

512
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: sign Michael Pittman, Calvin Ridley, like they kind of revitalized

513
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper and we will still see you the wide

514
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: receivers coaches, but go out get your true X, of

515
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: which there's a couple available in free agency. Tackle. Maybe

516
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Speaker 1: that's where you got at the top of the draft

517
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Speaker 1: or in the top one hundred. Maybe they trade for

518
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Speaker 1: Jack Conklin. I know we talked about that a little

519
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: bit before even Van Pelt was in the picture. Maybe

520
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: it's it's somewhere else in free agency you bring going

521
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Speaker 1: Winno back on the other side, and then and then

522
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Speaker 1: tight end. We talked about a couple guys that could

523
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Speaker 1: sign or like I think today Sanders, I had David

524
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: Joke who as a comp for him before all of this,

525
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: So now here there's literally a David Joku type player.

526
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: Like there you go. I wanted to ask you this

527
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: and you can respond to that whole plan, but specifically

528
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: on owned when WU last time we had talked about this,

529
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: we still thought they were trying to do that Shanahan thing,

530
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: and you talked about on when who maybe not being

531
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Speaker 1: an ideal fit for that now that it's going to

532
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: be a little more ground a pound his own when

533
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Speaker 1: to a better fit for the Van Pelt offenses. Is

534
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Speaker 1: he a guy you're willing to commit to as a

535
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Speaker 1: tackle in the Van Pelt offense.

536
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure a tackle.

537
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Speaker 4: I still think he's such a good lineman that they

538
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 4: would make it work. And like I said, last year,

539
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 4: they ran a lot more gap. They were a lot

540
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Speaker 4: more gap heavy. They were one of the more gap

541
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 4: heavy offenses in the league the last couple of years. Actually,

542
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 4: they still run a lot of outside zone though, And

543
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Speaker 4: I still look at their film and say, you know,

544
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Speaker 4: the horizontal stretch and the aim point outside the tackle, like,

545
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 4: that's still kind of the basis of what they do, right, Like,

546
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 4: that's like the setup that they want to present to

547
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 4: the defense, right And they still run a lot of

548
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 4: outside zone. They still run a lot of pinpoll, which

549
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 4: is basically just outside zone tagged a little bit differently.

550
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 4: And they still run.

551
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Speaker 2: A lot of crack toss.

552
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 4: So all those three of those schemes are outside on

553
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 4: the perimeter. You know a big thing about the Shanahan

554
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 4: offense and Stefanski is I think a subscriber to this

555
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 4: as well, and so as van Pelta. In turn, they

556
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 4: want the dbs to be the guys that have to

557
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 4: make the tackles at the point of attack.

558
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: Right.

559
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: They look at it and they say, why are we

560
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 4: going to run at three hundred and thirty pound dts

561
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 4: and linebackers who jobs it is to stop the run

562
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Speaker 4: when we can run at corners and safeties and make

563
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 4: them stop the run for you know, on the perimeter.

564
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: So let's get the ball outside.

565
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 4: And I still think at their core that is what

566
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 4: the Browns have been over the last couple of years.

567
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 4: But I think that on when who can be a

568
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 4: fit in that scheme as more of a not necessarily

569
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Speaker 4: the guy that's on the move all the time in

570
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 4: some of those schemes, but a guy that for example,

571
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 4: you know, when you run pin pull, you have guys

572
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 4: that are you know, pulling around guys that are pinning

573
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 4: down Like there's no reason why on when who can't

574
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 4: be the one pinning somebody down?

575
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: Right?

576
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 5: Like?

577
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: It just you have to scheme it a little bit differently.

578
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 4: I wouldn't necessarily encourage him to be the guy in space,

579
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 4: but He's a very good player.

580
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't.

581
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 4: I wouldn't let him walk simply because it doesn't feel

582
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: like he's a scheme fit. If I'm Mike on when

583
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 4: who's not a scheme fit for you, then your scheme

584
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 4: stakes like make it, make it work like you. It's

585
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 4: that simple. But you mentioned a couple of alignment with

586
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: the Browns. Jack Conklin, I think is a really interesting

587
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: trade target or maybe even cap casualty in Cleveland if

588
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 4: they decide to give our guy Dwan Jones the keys

589
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 4: there at right tackle. He's getting up there in age,

590
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 4: but would be a nice kind of bridge to a

591
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 4: younger player than maybe they draft this year. And then

592
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 4: Gary on Conley, who played a decent amount last year

593
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 4: I left tackle almost. I think he was really their

594
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 4: primary starting left tackle in Cleveland last year.

595
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Speaker 2: I think I have that name right, But now my

596
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: might like.

597
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: Isn't isn't gary On Conley corner?

598
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Speaker 4: As soon as I've said it, I was like, that's

599
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 4: gotta be the the whatever flu brain right now?

600
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: But Christian, thank.

601
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: You, Yeah, Gary on Connolly definitely corner.

602
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: I knew it was Gary On.

603
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 4: Gary On Christian played left tackle for them, like a lot.

604
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 4: I think you would say he was their primary left

605
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 4: tackle last year because the injuries, and he's more of

606
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 4: like a swing I think ideally like a third tackle.

607
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 4: But he's a free agent as well, so that that

608
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 4: that's a player that maybe they could sign. I think

609
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 4: Conkland's somebody that they could maybe call on and see

610
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 4: if he's available in a trade or maybe he becomes

611
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 4: available as like a cap cut. But they have some

612
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 4: options off of that Cleveland offensive roster. Obviously, we haven't

613
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Speaker 4: even talked about Joe Flacco, who is also going to

614
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 4: be a free agent, but I'm not necessarily taught saying

615
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 4: that we need to talk about that like we want

616
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 4: to do it, but it is an option. So I

617
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: think on one who's a fit, I think they would

618
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 4: make it work with him. And one thing I will

619
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Speaker 4: say that, you know, I also didn't mention earlier about

620
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 4: the run scheme.

621
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Speaker 2: That's encouraging it.

622
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 4: They you can see game to game how they like

623
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: game plan different teams different ways, so they're not a

624
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 4: totally dead set and running the ball one specific way.

625
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 4: You know, against the Jets, they did a lot of

626
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 4: their old school stuff to get out on the perimeter

627
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 4: and get away from Quinn Williams and those types of guys.

628
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Speaker 4: But then the next you know, week, or maybe it

629
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 4: was a week before against Houston in the regular season,

630
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: they ran a very very different run sort of install

631
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 4: In that game, they are more downhill and trying to

632
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 4: run more counter and trap schemes and things like that.

633
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: So they they have a lot.

634
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 4: Of different things in their their book, very diverse run scheme,

635
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 4: and I liked how the game planned and pieced it

636
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 4: together down the stretch with Flacco. Look, if you get

637
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 4: that kind of production out of Joe Flacco coming off

638
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 4: his couch, you got to get some some credit for that,

639
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: right you know, you know that that was an impressive

640
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: run that they had offensively.

641
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And again Van Pelton's earned something the credit

642
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: for it, even though he wasn't calling the place, because

643
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: he was still the one putting that together, designing it

644
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: and any other thoughts on the offense before we move over,

645
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: we'll do the touch on the other two sides of

646
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: the ball quickly and then we'll take some calls.

647
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the one other thing.

648
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 4: And I know that people are gonna are gonna roll

649
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 4: their eyes at me and get mad at me because

650
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 4: you know there's so many like Arthur I love in

651
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Speaker 4: New York or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I think it's New York.

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Speaker 4: He he loves himself some jayde and Daniels, And I

654
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Speaker 4: know I always get a lot of flag for this take.

655
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Speaker 4: But the bottom line is is that there's no better

656
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Speaker 4: quarterback fit in this draft for this offense than Drake May.

657
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Speaker 2: Like he's just he's the best fit for this offense.

658
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Speaker 4: But at the same time, this offense is at its

659
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Speaker 4: best when you have a quarterback that can vertically throw

660
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Speaker 4: the ball down the field like that.

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Speaker 2: That's just the bottom line.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean May and Daniels can both do that.

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Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, But when I look at it, like I

664
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Speaker 4: think that one it has to there has to be

665
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Speaker 4: an ability to go from under center.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree with you that that May is a

667
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Speaker 1: better fit, but I don't think I think it would

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Speaker 1: be incorrect to say Daniels is not a fit. Uh.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he's not a fit, it's just

670
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Speaker 4: not it's not the best use of Jayden Daniels.

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Speaker 1: You could you could write like you could Jane Daniels

672
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Speaker 1: in theory should work in this offense, but not to

673
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Speaker 1: the extent, Drake maywould.

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Speaker 4: I just feel like JA putting Jayden Daniels in this

675
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Speaker 4: offense and like to use a really good combo. I

676
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Speaker 4: think Bluke GETSI with Chicago and Justin Fields.

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Speaker 1: No, but the difference is Justin Fields was not a

678
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Speaker 1: fit in that offense.

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Speaker 4: I think that it's similar, like I think it's similar

680
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Speaker 4: with Jayden Daniels, where I think that you're asking Justin

681
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Speaker 4: Fields to be in an offense, and like, this was

682
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Speaker 4: what happened with Chicago for the first half of last year.

683
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Speaker 4: Second half of last year, they started running option, they

684
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Speaker 4: start running pistol, they start running spread right and they

685
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Speaker 4: and they start.

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Speaker 2: To actually move the ball offensively in Chicago.

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Speaker 4: I just look at Jayden Daniels and I think, out

688
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Speaker 4: of the gate, he's going to have to be in

689
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Speaker 4: an offense that is pretty option heavy and allows him

690
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Speaker 4: to kind of develop as a passer as he kind

691
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Speaker 4: of gets his feet wet. In the NFL, a lot

692
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Speaker 4: of the same thing, you know that the Ravens did

693
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Speaker 4: with Lamar in the beginning the remember Lamar's rookie year.

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Speaker 1: Well, he was running Joe Flacco's offense, but.

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Speaker 4: He was a run like they were using him in

696
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Speaker 4: like an option style offense right out of the gate

697
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Speaker 4: under Greg Roman, and then as he kind of developed

698
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Speaker 4: as a passer and as he got more comfortable as

699
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 4: an NFL passer, they started adding more and more onto

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Speaker 4: his plate.

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Speaker 2: As a thrower.

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Speaker 4: Then obviously they they bring in you know, Todd Mounkin,

703
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Speaker 4: and they do it, they take it to.

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Speaker 2: A whole other level.

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Speaker 4: I think Jaden Daniels needs to be on a similar track.

706
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Speaker 4: It's it's also the same way that the Eagles treated

707
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Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts, you know, like he comes into the league

708
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: and a lot of what he's doing is RPO read option,

709
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 4: you know that sort of thing, and then as they

710
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 4: look at him, they're like, oh wow, he can actually

711
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Speaker 4: do more as a thrower. He's getting more comfortable, we

712
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Speaker 4: add more into like the traditional type of offense.

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Speaker 2: I think Jaden Daniels is the same way.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know if that this offense is necessarily

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Speaker 4: the greatest fan And that's like what my one real

716
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 4: knock on Van Pelt, like the other stuff of it's

717
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: not what everybody wanted, and it's not you know whatever,

718
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 4: Like it doesn't necessarily matter at this point. But they've

719
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: moved on from him in Cleveland because they wanted to

720
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Speaker 4: go in a different direction with Deshaun Watson.

721
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Speaker 2: Like that's why he's not there anymore, right.

722
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 4: Because they felt like this system wasn't a fit for

723
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Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson and it wasn't bringing out the best in

724
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Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson. And I'm not saying that it's they're completely

725
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 4: the same player or anything.

726
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Speaker 2: Like that, but if you had to say, who was

727
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Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels.

728
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Speaker 4: More like Joe Flacco or Baker Mayfield or Deshaun Watson,

729
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 4: Like we're all gonna say Deshaun Watson, you know. And

730
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Speaker 4: I think that's a real not a concern, but a

731
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Speaker 4: real question for Alex van Pelt.

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Speaker 2: If you're girod Mayo and you're Elliott Wolf.

733
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Speaker 4: Is is this do you have to run the offense

734
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Speaker 4: this way? Is this what you know and this is

735
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Speaker 4: what you're comfortable with or is this just what you

736
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 4: were doing because this is what Stefanski wanted you to do, right?

737
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Speaker 4: And that I think is a big question because if

738
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Speaker 4: this is my offense and we got to figure it

739
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Speaker 4: out running it this way, then they have to.

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Speaker 2: Get the right quarterback for that type of offense.

741
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Speaker 1: All right, let's move over to the defensive side of

742
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: the ball. Here to Marcus Covington's the defensive coordinator. This

743
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Speaker 1: one's kind of filled out. Jerry Montgomers the defensive line coach.

744
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: Mike Reese reported last night that Brian Belichick is back.

745
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: He didn't confirm he's going to be the safety's coach,

746
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Speaker 1: but I mean, I think we can imagine that would

747
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Speaker 1: be the case. So you're still waiting on linebackers, and

748
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: we haven't heard anything one way or the other on

749
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Speaker 1: Mike Pellegrino, So we don't know whether or not the

750
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Speaker 1: cornerbacks coach is something Patriots will be hiring. But I mean,

751
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Speaker 1: I think we all we've talked a lot about Covington

752
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Speaker 1: as a potential DC, even before he was hired. What's

753
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Speaker 1: your initial rate on Jerry Montgomery.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's kind of positive and negative. I think the

755
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Speaker 4: positive is a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of the Packers players have come out and said,

757
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 2: you know, you guys got a great one. Think it

758
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: was like Kenny.

759
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 4: Clark went on Twitter and said, you know, the Patriots

760
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 4: got a great coach, And I think that the one

761
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: thing that you look at in Green Bay. They've done

762
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 4: a really nice job of developing those interior guys like

763
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Speaker 4: a Kenny Clark. They've done a nice job of pressuring

764
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 4: the quarterback with their front, but now they have good

765
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 4: players on their front, there's no doubt about that. But

766
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Speaker 4: their defensive line has been a really good pressure defensive line.

767
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Speaker 4: But that said, they've been terrible against the run for

768
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Speaker 4: multiple years now in Green Bay, and I would say

769
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 4: that they're undoing as a staff. And the reason why

770
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 4: Joe Berry is not the defensive coordinator there anymore is

771
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 4: because they can't stop the run. So that when you

772
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 4: have a defense that's thirty second against the run and

773
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 4: he's the defensive line coach. That for all the reasons

774
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Speaker 4: why we gave the Marcus Covington his flowers right for

775
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 4: the Patriots run defense being good, we have to kind

776
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 4: of be fair and play both sides of it. But

777
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 4: I would say that that was more maybe schematic of

778
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 4: like Joe Barry was a big, too high believer, played

779
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 4: a lot of Fangio style quarters and things like that,

780
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 4: so they.

781
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: Played a lot of light boxes. They played a lot

782
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: light defense.

783
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 4: So I don't know if that was necessarily on the

784
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: defensive line coach that that's just how they wanted to

785
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 4: play defense, right, like that was their brand.

786
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Speaker 1: Which isn't gonna be the case I would imagine under Covington.

787
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Speaker 4: No, but I'm not overly concerned about that because they

788
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 4: do still have Covington and Mayo in the building, and

789
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 4: they obviously have been scheming a great run defense for

790
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 4: the last couple of years. So it's it's I like,

791
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 4: you know, another kind of experienced guy, another guy that

792
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 4: that's been around and and has you know, shown his

793
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 4: muscle a little bit there and developing players in Green Bay.

794
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 4: You know, they've gone into decent amount out of that

795
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 4: defensive line. So I'm encouraged by that one, and I

796
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 4: think it's really nice that that Brian will be back.

797
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 4: I think that the one thing that was a little

798
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 4: bit concerning about the defensive staff was that they weren't

799
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 4: you know, they had DeMarcus Covington, they had Drod Mayo,

800
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 4: but they really had nobody that had secondary experience back

801
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: yet in this system. You know, Steve was obviously a

802
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 4: secondary coach for a while. You don't know if Brian's

803
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 4: coming back, and then you don't know if Pelgreno's coming back.

804
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 4: I Reese tweeted out a couple of days ago that

805
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 4: like Projection. Remember we talked about it briefly and he

806
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 4: had Brian on there, and then he confirmed last night

807
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 4: that Brian's coming back. So something tells me that Mike

808
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 4: is hearing whispers that Pelgrino might be coming back also,

809
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 4: So I think that would be encouraging if both of

810
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 4: those guys are back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Mike Pellegrino's done a great job Patriots

812
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: cornbacks last year, they weren't great, but that was just

813
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: for reasons outside his control. I's side of Mike Pelgrino's control.

814
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: But you look at what they did, you know, just

815
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: just churning some of these slate around guys out or

816
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: free agent pickups out. I mean, look, no it's not

817
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: the you know, the biggest example, but even a guy

818
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: like Alex Austin last year, who they got after Thanksgiving

819
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: and he was making plas in December. Like Mike Pellegrino

820
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: does a good job and I'd love to see him back.

821
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: I think Jeremy Springer was hired last time we did

822
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: the show, so I don't know if you have any

823
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: more thoughts on him. I'm still it was the assistant

824
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 1: for the worst ranked special teams unit that really didn't

825
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: allocate any resources towards special teams. Let's see what happened.

826
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we all assume Matthews later is

827
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Speaker 1: going to retire, but let's see kind of how that

828
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: unit shakes out personnel wise. That's a pretty personal dependent role.

829
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Speaker 1: I mean, they all are. But we'll see what happens there.

830
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Speaker 1: I think you kind of wait and see with that one,

831
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Speaker 1: because he obviously wasn't in a great situation last year

832
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: and it didn't go well last year.

833
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that, all.

834
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Speaker 1: Right, Front office, and then we'll go to the phones

835
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Speaker 1: in your emails. You got a bunch of emails today,

836
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: plus your calls eight five to five, pats five hundred.

837
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: But front office, we finally got the answer to the

838
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Speaker 1: question yesterday, and Evan, excuse me, I want to start

839
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Speaker 1: with this. I don't care. I do not care if

840
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: the Patriots name a GM anymore. I couldn't care less

841
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: if the papers were giving out that title.

842
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: That's what I mean, Give him the title.

843
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: I don't care. It's it's give him the title, don't

844
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: it's academic. There's so many people. Yeah, yes, they were pissed,

845
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: like oh, but they still don't have a GM. No,

846
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: that's what that report was. I've talked about this Evan

847
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: final say roster control. That's what matters. Call him the GM,

848
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: call him the director, player personnel, call him the prince

849
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: in New England. I don't care. Call him for breakfast.

850
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't care what you call him. They have the

851
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: structure in place. That's what mattered. That's what was important.

852
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: That's what we learned yesterday. That was not an incomplete report.

853
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: The titles will come. It was reported yesterday by a

854
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: couple of people, Andrew Callahan, Mark Daniels that the titles

855
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: are still being worked out. They all know what they're doing,

856
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: regardless of what the title is. You know, call him

857
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: lead mechanic. Matt grow knows what he's doing. Elliot Wolf

858
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. Cam Williams knows what he's doing.

859
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: Pat Stewart knows what he's doing. They all know what

860
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: they're doing. It's been organized. The titles will come. They

861
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: probably won't get reported for a couple months after their renownce,

862
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: so they will know him in the building before we do.

863
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: I don't care whether we know the titles or not.

864
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: The hierarchies in place. It's Elliott Wolf's show. He has

865
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: final say. Matt Grow is still going to run the

866
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: scouting department. So ironically, their titles from last year basically

867
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: flipped when Grow was the director of player Personnel and

868
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: Wolf was the director of scouting. Those are still they're

869
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: listed titles. Those are basically holdovers from last year. Those

870
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,959
Speaker 1: are basically their twenty three titles. So yeah, you flip those.

871
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: Alonzo high Smith loved the hire first off, certified badass. Yes,

872
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: played at the U back when that meant something, won

873
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: a title. Was their leading rusher in the eighties. You

874
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: in the eighties. Third overall pick. So a guy that

875
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: knows a thing or two about the third overall pick,

876
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: which the Patriots obviously we'll need to learn a lot

877
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: about here in the next couple of months. A guy

878
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: that's seen a lot of football in a lot of

879
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: different places, in a lot of different settings, in a

880
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: lot of different roles, going to be a very valuable resource.

881
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: My one question, and this is maybe more semantics than

882
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: anything else. After I just railed against the semantics of titles.

883
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: I get the hypocrisy here, But that report yesterday from

884
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: rap Report. All right, so GROW's gonna run the big picture,

885
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: or sorry, Wolt's gonna run the big picture. GROW's gonna

886
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: run scouting. High Smith pat Stewart are kind of there

887
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: a senior advisors all around. I think Pat Stewart probably

888
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: is your assistant director of Player Personnel, VP of Player Personnel,

889
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: something like that. High Smith just got like a senior

890
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: executive advisor title. Cameron Williams not included in that report,

891
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: which stood out to me a little bit because he's

892
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: somebody I know has been thought of highly in the building.

893
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: It brings the angle of having been a Division one

894
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: football player. Obviously, his previous ties the organization through his dad,

895
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: somebody who had felt like was building a lot of

896
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: momentum in the organization, was at the Senior Bowl. So

897
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: it's not like he's not a part of the front

898
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: office anymore. I just thought it was interesting he was

899
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: absent in that, but overall we got the answer. If

900
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: the plan was to keep it in house, I think

901
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: this is the right structure to do that. And that's

902
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: I guess that's my front office rant. Go ahead.

903
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think the first place to start for

904
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 4: me is with Elliott Wolf and you talk to people

905
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 4: and you know, I was talking to people at the

906
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl.

907
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: But when you talk to people, this is a long

908
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: time coming for Elliott.

909
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: Wolf to have a chance to run a football, run

910
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 4: a teams as the general manager whatever you know, title

911
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 4: you want to use, but technically as the general manager.

912
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: You know.

913
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 4: He he spent fourteen years in Green Bay with his father,

914
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 4: coming through the ranks there, you know, paid his dues,

915
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 4: started from the bottom, went all the way up to

916
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 4: Director of player Personnel, director of football operations. In twenty eighteen,

917
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 4: Ted Thompson retires right right, it retires in green Bay,

918
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 4: and it was really between Elliott Wolf and Bridan Gouden

919
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 4: Kut's to replace him, and the Packers ended up going

920
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 4: with Goody obviously, and Elliott Wolf goes to Cleveland under

921
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 4: John Dorsey, is the assistant general manager there for a

922
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 4: couple of years and then comes to New England and

923
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 4: works up at you know, the Totem Pole here in

924
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 4: New England. So we're talking about a guy after I

925
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 4: just laid out, like, forget about who his father is

926
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 4: for a second, because you know, I think that holds

927
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 4: some weight too when your your father is a Hall

928
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 4: of Fame executive too.

929
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 2: But you know, forget about that for a second.

930
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 4: I just described like twenty years of NFL front office experience.

931
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: He's a real GM resume.

932
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: One hundred percent one hundred percent real GM resume.

933
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 4: And I think that that's what is important to remember,

934
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 4: because I think a lot of people are saying, well,

935
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 4: you know, why didn't they didn't go outside the building again,

936
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 4: and it's this internal promotion and it's just Ron Wolfe's

937
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 4: kid and like all this type of stuff. No, the

938
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 4: Elliott Wolf has paid his dues, Elliott Wolf has been

939
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 4: around the block, Elliott Wolf has a great reputation around

940
00:45:59,440 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 4: the league.

941
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna do a really good job with this.

942
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: And I think one of the big things.

943
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a chance if they didn't promote

944
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: Elliot Wolf, somebody else might might have hired him as

945
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: an AGM or a GM.

946
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 4: I think it's definitely possible, and I think he would

947
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 4: have been looking elsewhere.

948
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 2: I know that he did look else for was that two.

949
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 4: Years ago that he interviewed for some positions outside the

950
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 4: building or maybe that was last year. The point is

951
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 4: that he is more than qualified to run the Patriots,

952
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 4: more than qualified. And I think the other thing that

953
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 4: you look at is that over the last couple of

954
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 4: years they've put macro a little bit more in the

955
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 4: public eye as director of player Personnel. He's done some

956
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 4: press conferences, you know, he's been around the media a

957
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 4: little bit, and frankly, it's it's not becoming for him,

958
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 4: Like he's just not very good at the public facing stuff.

959
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 4: And when you're the top of the totem pole in

960
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 4: the front office and you're the top executive in an organization,

961
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 4: that sort of thing matters.

962
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: And your station, Alex, how many times has your station.

963
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 4: Played if you want fast Guys draft Fast Guys, right, Like,

964
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 4: how many times have we played that? And I think

965
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 4: that at this point, Elliott Wolf, I think is a

966
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: little bit more statesman. He he's a little bit more

967
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 4: of a guy that can than can handle himself in

968
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 4: those public settings and is a little bit more impressive

969
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 4: in that manner. And so in a lot of ways,

970
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 4: I look at this and I think that this sort

971
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 4: of hierarchy in the front office is really the way

972
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 4: it should have been all along. But for most likely

973
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 4: because Bill just you know, you know, that's just Bill's mo.

974
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,479
Speaker 4: Bill promoted mac rowe to director or player personnel because

975
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 4: that was one of his guys, right like that he.

976
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: Made in this league.

977
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 4: But in reality, Elliott Wolf has been doing a lot

978
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 4: of the quote unquote GM responsibilities behind the scenes, you know,

979
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 4: negotiating contracts and speaking to free agents and things like that.

980
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 4: So now everybody gets to go back to their comfort zones,

981
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 4: Like everybody gets to do what they actually should be doing,

982
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 4: which is Macro is essentially a college scout. And I

983
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 4: think this is where your your question about Cameron Williams

984
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 4: does become interesting to me because when I look at this,

985
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 4: it isn't Macro just basically like a college scouting director.

986
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's director of Amateur Scouting.

987
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 4: It just doesn't really seem like he's you know, that's

988
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 4: the title that Cameron Williams has currently.

989
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: Right, Well, so what's or maybe grows the director of scouting.

990
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: Maybe it's amateur and pro?

991
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: Sure.

992
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 4: I just I look at the pro side of it,

993
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 4: and I think that that's where Pat Stewart and Elliott

994
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 4: Wolf have really made their hay in the league.

995
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: And I think that Elliott Wolf is going to be

996
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 2: running free agency.

997
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 4: I think that he is going to have uh the

998
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 4: biggest hand in that and and and defining identifying those players.

999
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: So I think there, you know, there's a couple of things.

1000
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: That are.

1001
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 4: The bottom line is is that are they good at

1002
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 4: picking players or are they not right? Like, that's what

1003
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 4: we're going to find out that in whether or not

1004
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 4: that that remains to be seen. But I just think

1005
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 4: that it's important to keep in mind that Elliott Wolf

1006
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 4: has definitely earned this opportunity and is somebody that a

1007
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 4: lot of people around the league are like, yep, like

1008
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 4: you know, finally, you know, someone has finally given him

1009
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 4: the keys and that makes a lot of sense and

1010
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 4: and things like that.

1011
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: So I'm encouraged by it. I think that it's also

1012
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: encouraging that.

1013
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 4: He's not he's really not of the Belichick school, like

1014
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 4: he's been with Belichick the last couple of years, but

1015
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,959
Speaker 4: that's not where he came up. No, he was brought

1016
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 4: up as a Packers scout, you know, like he's a

1017
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 4: Packers guy. So I'm encouraged by it.

1018
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: All Right, we got a bunch of calls, a bunch

1019
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: of emails, Let's get through some of these. Is basically

1020
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a second hand for the program today. So

1021
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: if you want to call an eight five five pass

1022
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: five hundred who do have one open line will open

1023
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: some more up as we take these calls, starting with

1024
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: our friend Eldred in North Carolina. Eldrick, good morning, Good morning.

1025
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 3: So let's tell y'all doing. I love you, man, I

1026
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 3: don't wanna pick with you again. Okay, I understand the

1027
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 3: stematic you're saying that Drake May fits whatever I could do.

1028
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 3: Are we got this a coordinator? But my but my

1029
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 3: question is what's making him a good fit? Cause, like

1030
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 3: you said, you got working him as a thrower, and

1031
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 3: like your buddy Bart said, the pure pastor is I'm

1032
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: still gonna stick with Pennis and I, you know, like

1033
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 3: I said, I think he's a better quarterback. And then

1034
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: Williams don't want to come come to New England or Chicago,

1035
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: but he get drafted, probably want to get traded. But again,

1036
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask you why you think May is a

1037
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 3: good fit for everybody in North Carolina saying he's another

1038
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 3: hes gonna be another Wilson.

1039
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: Out All right? Thanks to call? All right, all right,

1040
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: thanks to call. I want to clarify someone. When we

1041
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: were talking about, you know, who's the better fit? I

1042
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: was just between May and Daniels in that question, Caleb

1043
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: Williams is going at the top of the draft. Michael

1044
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: Pennox would also be a tremendous fit, I think in

1045
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: Alex Van Pelt's offense.

1046
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.

1047
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: If you want to clarify on Drake May.

1048
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, the big the biggest things with

1049
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 4: Drake May that are positives are his ability to throw

1050
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 4: in the middle of the field and his vertical throws

1051
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 4: right like, he's a very good vertical thrower.

1052
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: Drop it in the bucket, drive the ball down the field,

1053
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: drive it up the.

1054
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 4: Seam, hit the post, you know those types of things,

1055
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 4: And that's what this offense is all about. You know,

1056
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 4: this offense is let's play action, let's bootleg off of it.

1057
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 4: We got the big post down the field. If it's got,

1058
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 4: if there's no safety up top, we're gonna throw it

1059
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 4: over the top and we're gonna try to hit the

1060
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 4: big play. That that's Drake May right there. That that's

1061
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 4: that's something that he can do. He's got the mobility

1062
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 4: to get outside the pocket, he can throw on the

1063
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 4: move on the bootlegs like all that kind of stuff.

1064
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: I agree with you.

1065
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 4: I think Penix would be a decent fit in this

1066
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 4: offense as well. If I had to rank it of

1067
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 4: who were the best fits in this offense, I would

1068
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 4: say number one would be Drake May.

1069
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be May. I might say Penis would

1070
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: be number two because of how good of a vertical.

1071
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: Thrower he is. He's kind of Day two Drake May

1072
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: in a way, isn't he. I Mean he doesn't have

1073
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: the mobility, but that's why he's Day too. But I

1074
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: mean that's a lot of Washington's offense was play action

1075
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: deep shots because hey, Dylan Johnson, who's a great running back.

1076
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: They'd run the ball with Dylan Johnson, sucked the opposing

1077
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: defense up and then hit it over the top. Now

1078
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: it was more at a shotgun and there wasn't as

1079
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: much of that that bootleg stuff. But the core concepts,

1080
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of similar quick they got They got

1081
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: to the end goal the same way. They just approached

1082
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: it a little differently. They just kind of same picture,

1083
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: just a different frame on it.

1084
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, and look, I don't know what the

1085
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 4: people down there in North Carolina are saying, Elder, but

1086
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 4: you know, I I.

1087
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: They all kind of trust myself on this they all

1088
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: thought Sam Hall and Mitch Trubisky were going to be excellent,

1089
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: so maybe we maybe we flip it. Let's go to

1090
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: Nick in Omaha. Nick.

1091
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Speaker 6: Hey, you guys, that's it going good. Okay, I got

1092
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 6: a question for Evan and uh it's a bit of

1093
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 6: a nerdy exos question. So I feel like you can

1094
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 6: have some fun here, Alex. You can, you know, feel

1095
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 6: free to time and it doesn't as meks, But okay,

1096
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 6: So I I I played football like my whole life,

1097
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 6: and I've watched it a whole life, so I just

1098
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 6: like I know a little bit about football. I'm not

1099
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 6: the smartest guy in the room, but I I play

1100
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 6: just play too much Madden. I played like a ton

1101
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 6: of Madden. And it's it's it's not even for like

1102
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 6: the multiplayer, it's just purely for the franchise set and contracts.

1103
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: You sound more like me question than question. Yeah.

1104
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I I just was I was starting this franchise

1105
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 6: and you know, you took your scheme and everything and

1106
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 6: going through the offense, and I feel like I know

1107
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 6: a lot about offensive schemes a West Coast you know power,

1108
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 6: you know, zone run, whatever, But when it came to defense,

1109
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 6: I feel like I was pretty ignorant on a lot

1110
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 6: of those titles, so I was curious in your opinion,

1111
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 6: you know, if it's like a base four three or

1112
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 6: you know whatever, just in today's NFL as it's mainly

1113
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 6: a passing league. Do you is there a certain scheme

1114
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 6: that you feel is the best to kind of utilize

1115
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 6: your defense with. And then I mean, also the main

1116
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 6: reason why I'm bring us to the show is because

1117
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 6: I'm curious how this relates to the pagotes, like what

1118
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 6: we're seeing in the past and what we can see

1119
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 6: in the future with our defense. I will probably have

1120
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 6: a ton of follow up questions, but I'll just take

1121
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 6: it off the air and listen in. But thanks guys, right,

1122
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 6: thanks Nick.

1123
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. Sevan Madden still makes you run

1124
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: base three four or four three like way too much.

1125
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: Their playbooks are not caught up to the modern So

1126
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: when you pick like three four, there's like you can

1127
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: four three four three over four three, disguise three four

1128
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: over three four, diskuys things like that. You really have

1129
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: to pick because it's not so easy to be like, yeah,

1130
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: this is my pick, but I'm just gonna go in

1131
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: in Nickel or I'm just gonna go and die the

1132
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: whole time. So however, that frames your answer. I think

1133
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: he's asking what defense he should run in Madden, right,

1134
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: I like, I like three four disguis personally, that's what

1135
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: I usually that I.

1136
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 4: Can't answer for you because I don't know which one's

1137
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 4: the most effective.

1138
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: But honestly, I think of defensive schemes.

1139
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 4: Nowadays more from like the back to the front instead

1140
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 4: of the front of the back, because everything is about

1141
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 4: stopping the past, right. So there's really there's three schools,

1142
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 4: but like there's really two main ones, and then one

1143
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 4: is just kind of like Mike McDonald and you know

1144
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 4: him being ridiculous, right, But they're the main schools right

1145
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 4: now are like the Belichick's Disciple school of single.

1146
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 2: High man coverage, you know that sort of thing.

1147
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 4: And then the other school is kind of the Fangio people, right,

1148
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 4: who are running the palms and the corners and the

1149
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 4: too high stuff. So I think a lot of the

1150
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 4: league is going more towards Fangio, and even the Patriots

1151
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 4: have run a little bit more too high coverage recently.

1152
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 4: But I think the one thing that is definitely key

1153
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 4: for a lot of these defenses is how do you

1154
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 4: then you know, take it and then marry the pass

1155
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 4: rush to that. And I think a lot of defenses

1156
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 4: nowadays are running a lot more exotic blitzes, and this

1157
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 4: is I think a lot of the main reason why

1158
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 4: defense has caught up to offense a little bit is

1159
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 4: because they have gotten to a little of some more

1160
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 4: answers on the defensive side of the ball for how

1161
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 4: to generate pressure without sacrificing numbers in the back end.

1162
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 4: Because before it was like, all right, well we can

1163
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 4: blitz five or six guys, but then we only have

1164
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 4: five or six guys in coverage to cover up everything.

1165
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 4: Right now it's we're gonna show blitz, We're only going

1166
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 4: to actually rush four, but you still are gonna have

1167
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 4: to treat it like a blitz, and then we are

1168
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 4: we still have our seven man coverage structure. So I

1169
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 4: would say that, you know, personally, I still think that

1170
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 4: the that the Belichick are now probably more the Mayo

1171
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 4: defense in the Covington defense of the Patriots are gonna

1172
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 4: run next year. There's still definitely a place for that

1173
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 4: in the league. But if I had to say, the

1174
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 4: prevalent scheme, like what's the Shanahan scheme. But on defense

1175
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 4: right now, it's it's definitely Fangio's defense, and I think.

1176
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: That makes it. I've said, well, maybe it's not so

1177
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: much Fangio, but the like Seattle Cover three, right, that

1178
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: zone thing.

1179
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Seattle like started it and then right you know,

1180
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 4: teams got so good at taking down Seattle's Cover three

1181
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 4: that they had to. You know, a lot of those

1182
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 4: Seattle three teams have sort of moreped the more quarters

1183
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 4: based defenses and to kind of combat some of the

1184
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 4: things that they were seeing.

1185
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: It's just it's funny you compare it to Shanahan though,

1186
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: because we've talked about this off the year before that

1187
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: the Seattle three is too cornerbacks what the Shanahan offense

1188
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: is to quarterbacks. And not to take anything away from

1189
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: sauce Gardner, but you look at what sauce Gardner's asked

1190
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: to do, and of course he's dominant at it because

1191
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: he's an elite athlete and he's basically just asked to

1192
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: be an elite athlete. And I think it's like every

1193
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: system is meant to prioritize and emphasize. Certainly, that's just

1194
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: how it works. Every system is meant to, all right,

1195
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna make it easier on this group in the

1196
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: trade office, is gonna be harder on this group, but

1197
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna build this group up more. Like we talked

1198
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: about how the old Patriots offense puts so much, so much,

1199
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: so much emphasis on the quarterback, and then you have

1200
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: the Shanahan offense that puts more emphasis on the receivers

1201
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: in the running backs to kind of beat the playmaker.

1202
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: It's the same thing on defense as well, and it

1203
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: feels like, who are you putting that emphasis on. Is

1204
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: it gonna be on the pass rushers, is gonna be

1205
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: on the corners, is gonna be the linebackers? Like it's

1206
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: the same kind of thing. Personally, I still think if

1207
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: you can run man coverage, run it. I still think

1208
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: man coverage is the more effective coverage. But the reason

1209
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: everybody doesn't run it is it's hard and you really

1210
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: need to have the right personnel where you can maybe

1211
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: get away with a little less if you're in zone

1212
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: because the scheme itself sort of elevates. But part of

1213
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: that is you have to have a really good pass rush.

1214
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: For years, the Patriots got by not necessarily having elite

1215
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 1: pass rushers because their corners were so good, didn't matter

1216
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,919
Speaker 1: if the quarterback had five seconds in the pocket because

1217
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: nobody was getting open for five seconds. And then in

1218
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: the last couple of years they've kind of flipped where

1219
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: the corners haven't been as good. But you have Matt Chewton,

1220
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: you have Josh Shoojay, you have Christian Barmore. So maybe

1221
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: the corners can only cover for three seconds, but that's

1222
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: fine because you're getting to the quarterback in two and

1223
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: a half. That's how I view defensive football. It's basically,

1224
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: who are you putting the onus on in your system?

1225
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: Who are you putting the onus on to elevate? Is

1226
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: it up front or is it on the back end.

1227
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: As long as you have one of the two, you'll

1228
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,919
Speaker 1: be in okay shape. And I mean, you have great

1229
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: defenses that can do both where you can get to

1230
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: the quarterback in two seconds and have the thing covered

1231
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: for you know, five six seconds down the field. But

1232
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: that's you know, one or two defense that we're talking

1233
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: about the Baltimore Ravens at this point, we're talking about

1234
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: having Justin Mattabeka one level and Kyle Hamilton at another,

1235
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: with Patrick Queen in the middle.

1236
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, i'd be interesting to see, especially if they

1237
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl on Sunday. You know Steve Spagnolo

1238
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 4: and what he's done in Kansas City with that defense.

1239
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 4: It's an exotic scheme. They blitzed like crazy, They spin

1240
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 4: the dial like crazy. They put a lot of stress

1241
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 4: on their dbs to tackle in space and playing on

1242
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 4: islands and things like that, and that's why they you know,

1243
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 4: Trent McDuffie was a great pick for them because he

1244
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 4: that's what he does. You know, he's a great tackler

1245
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 4: and a great play speed and that.

1246
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 2: Type of stuff.

1247
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 4: Well, it'd be interesting to see if they that's you know,

1248
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 4: people try to emulate that a little bit more. I

1249
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 4: don't know if you can without spags, Like that's sort

1250
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 4: of the difficult part there, kind of like when I

1251
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 4: brought up Mike McDonald earlier with Baltimore, well now Seattle.

1252
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 4: So it'd be interesting to see how that sort of

1253
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 4: moves forward, because I do think that there is a

1254
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 4: lot of good things about the Fangio scheme. There's a

1255
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 4: lot of good things about Bill's scheme obviously, but those

1256
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 4: things are are starting to kind of pass by to

1257
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 4: some more blitz heavy, more exotic type of defenses.

1258
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: All right, let's go. So Eldridge spoke for the entire

1259
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: both states of the Carolinas and said, don't take Drake May.

1260
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: Anthony is in South Carolina. Does he have a rebuttal

1261
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: or does he agree? Anthony?

1262
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 7: Hey, good morning fellos.

1263
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: How you doing it? Morning?

1264
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 2: Good?

1265
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 7: That's kind a quick question. Is the uh, the comparison

1266
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 7: between Drake May and uh jend and Dams like a

1267
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 7: big difference between their passing ability. I don't know if

1268
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 7: I believe I started correctly that jend and Dams had

1269
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 7: a better passing year than Joe Burrow.

1270
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: And also they go ahead, do you guys.

1271
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 7: Think that uh, we should go to a player more

1272
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 7: like Jenden Damns if the office's line isn't I say?

1273
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,919
Speaker 7: Great that he can like move and take off because

1274
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 7: he looks pretty fast on tape.

1275
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's definitely fast, Anthony, thanks for all he

1276
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: should if he runs the combine, he's gonna run in

1277
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: the four fours. As for the I don't think Daniels

1278
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: had a better ear than Burrow. I mean that's one

1279
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: of him and Cam Newton in twenty eleven, or like

1280
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: the two greatest quarterback seasons since the turnth century. As

1281
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: for the comparison between him and May, I think Daniels

1282
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: is more of an outside the numbers thrower, whereas May's

1283
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: more evans as you've talked about the middle of the

1284
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: field guy, I think that's probably they both have big arms,

1285
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: and they both can throw on the run. I think

1286
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: the chief difference is where they're throwing to.

1287
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just look at Jayden Daniels and has nothing

1288
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 4: to do with like his passing ability. Like I don't

1289
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 4: want to get caught up in all that, but it

1290
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 4: just when I look at Jayden Daniels, I look at

1291
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Speaker 4: somebody that ideally, it's a lot like going back and

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01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 4: we used the Deshaun Watson you know, kind of conversation

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Speaker 4: earlier when we were talking about Alex van Pelp, when

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Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson was in Houston with Bill O'Brien. They they

1295
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 4: basically took the Patriots twenty eleven offense and said, we're

1296
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Speaker 4: just gonna put to Shaan Watson in the gun, in

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Speaker 4: the spread, and he's just gonna make something happen, Like

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Speaker 4: if there's something in structure there, then he's gonna take it,

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Speaker 4: make quick decision.

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Speaker 2: With the football. If it's not, then he's gonna run

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Speaker 2: around and make a play.

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Speaker 4: And if I'm Jayden Daniels, I think that that's where

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01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 4: I would much rather build the offense with him. I

1304
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 4: at first, I, like I said earlier, with guys like

1305
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, I would start with the option

1306
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 4: stuff as well. Like I think it's important to get

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Speaker 4: him into that sort of offense right out of the

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Speaker 4: gate too.

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Speaker 2: But he's built to be in a spread offense like

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01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: he should be in the gun spread field, you know,

1311
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: option style.

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Speaker 4: Let's just pick him apart that way, Whereas I think

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Speaker 4: Drake may is a little bit more of that like

1314
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Speaker 4: traditional pocket passer, where you know he's somebody that is

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01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 4: going to run play action room under center. He's somebody

1316
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 4: that is going to be able to read the middle

1317
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 4: of the field and pick apart the middle of the field.

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Speaker 4: He's somebody that's going to be able to maybe early on,

1319
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 4: have a better feel for like timing and anticipation and

1320
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 4: reads in the middle of the field. I think that's

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Speaker 4: the one thing when you watch Jayden Daniels on film

1322
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 4: who I love, by the way, like I feel like

1323
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 4: I am like people always think I'm like trashing him.

1324
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 2: When you watch him on film, though he passes.

1325
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 4: Up a lot of open throws between the numbers, like

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Speaker 4: crossing routes and cuts things like that, and he doesn't

1327
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 4: always have the best timing in between the numbers. So

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Speaker 4: I just look at him as somebody that I want

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01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 4: to be in that spread formation, to be in the

1330
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 4: gun and just let him cook, right, Whereas with Dreg May,

1331
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 4: I think that he's a little bit more of that,

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Speaker 4: like traditional.

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01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 2: NFL passer. There's nothing wrong with being Jaden Daniels.

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Speaker 4: It's just if I'm and see I'm making sure that

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01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 4: I'm putting him in a position to succeed. And I

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01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 4: don't necessarily think that that is by making him run

1337
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 4: like seven step drop play action bootleg nonsense, like, I

1338
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 4: just don't.

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01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's gonna help him out.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, who's a better fit in

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01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury's offense, Oh, Jade and Daniels one hund Okay,

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Speaker 1: So the reason I asked that, And I'm sure a

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01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: lot of people can tell where I'm going, So say,

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01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams goes one one. Yeah, it sounds like he's

1345
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: going to a lot of people wrote off, Drake made

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01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,919
Speaker 1: to the Patriots when they got the third pick. Yeah,

1347
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: just Cliff go to go to Scott h Scott Peters,

1348
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: Cliff go to Adam Peters and say hey, jayde and

1349
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: Daniels my guy and then basically deliver the Patriots Drake

1350
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,919
Speaker 1: maya three Like I I think that's on the tape

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01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: something I've thought about or the other thing. Does he

1352
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: go there and say you need a trade for Caleb Williams.

1353
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: The Paris Socides take the hall build around justin fields.

1354
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: They they take Marvin Harrison at two one way or

1355
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: the other. I think Cliff Kingsbury there's a good chance

1356
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: he delivers the Patriots. Drake May. Him going to Washington

1357
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: delivers the Patriots. Drake May. I think there's a real

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01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: there's a real shot at that.

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01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know that.

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01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 4: Look, we've we've gone back and forth at times about

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01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 4: Kyler and if we think Kyler is good or not

1362
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 4: and whatever, But bottom line is, when Kyler was healthy

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01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 4: in Arizona, Cliff was getting a.

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01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: Lot out of Kyler, all right, But the difference and

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01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: a runner and I look.

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Speaker 4: At the way that they ran the offense in in Arizona,

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01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 4: which was basically just an adapted air raid with the

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01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 4: option runs and things like that sprinkled in there as well.

1369
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 4: Like that's Jayden Daniels would drive in that offense. He'd

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Speaker 4: go crazy in that.

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Speaker 1: Offense, and it's basically what he's running it, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's it's I That's why I've always liked

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01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 4: Cliff is because I think.

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Speaker 2: That his off and.

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Speaker 4: This is a lot of people have said all Cliff

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01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 4: Kingsbury keeps failing up and like all, you know, like

1377
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 4: he's not actually successful and gets these jobs. I think

1378
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 4: the reason why he gets these jobs is because his

1379
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 4: offense fits the modern style of quarterback, Like when you

1380
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 4: get a guy like a Caleb Williams, like a Jayden Daniels,

1381
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 4: Like when you get your hands on a guy like that.

1382
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 4: As an organization, Cliff Kingsbury's offense, he's running a college

1383
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 4: style offense in the NFL, Right, that is going to

1384
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 4: bring out the best in those types of guys. So yeah,

1385
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Speaker 4: I would definitely. I don't really see the fit too

1386
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 4: much with with Drake May. Honestly, with with Cliff. That's

1387
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 4: not saying that Drake May would be terrible because I think,

1388
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 4: you know, he's got a chance to be good regardless,

1389
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 4: but I just think that it's Jayden Daniels is definitely

1390
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 4: the answer.

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Speaker 1: All Right, let's go to Ryan in OK. C Ryan,

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Speaker 1: how you doing?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 6: So, I had two thoughts question for you.

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01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 5: First of all, I haven't been able to call in

1396
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 5: for a couple of weeks, Evan. I really I really

1397
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 5: liked your article you had with all the former linebackers

1398
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 5: detailing the drawd Mayo hiring. I had a chance to

1399
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 5: meet with with Brandon Spikes at us UH just a

1400
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 5: couple of months ago, and that man, that guy makes

1401
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 5: you want to eat a bowl of nails for breakfast.

1402
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 6: He's he's sick.

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01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 5: There's some really clips with him talking about you know,

1404
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 5: the hardest he's ever been hit in his career was

1405
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 5: from Brandon Spikes in practice. You know that that dude's legit.

1406
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 5: So so I appreciated that right up. So with the

1407
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 5: with the news on the Elliott bools, you know, taking

1408
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 5: the reins on that. I've been thinking a lot about

1409
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 5: that article or I guess the the sweet that it

1410
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 5: came out about if Elliott both takes over, they're gonna

1411
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 5: give a serious look to Joe Alt at number three.

1412
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 5: So I've been digging a little bit into those Packers

1413
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 5: drafts while he was in there system, and and man,

1414
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 5: they really really attacked a lion in the first round.

1415
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 5: But just as much as they did that, they always

1416
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 5: nailed receivers in the second and third round. I mean,

1417
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 5: Jordy Nelson, Randall, Cobb, Bonte Adam were all drafted while

1418
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 5: Elliott Wolf was in that front office. Not saying that

1419
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 5: those are his picks, but but that kind of feels

1420
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 5: like the model that he's been thrown in and maybe

1421
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 5: what he tries to do here. But then my last question,

1422
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 5: and I'll take it off the air, is obviously there's

1423
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 5: there's the big three needs, quarterback, wide receiver, and tackle.

1424
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 5: I'm curious what you guys think the approach will be

1425
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 5: in some of those tertiary needs, specifically free safety and

1426
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 5: running back death.

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01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: All right, thanks to car Ryan on the second point,

1428
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: He's it's a great point that that's how those Packers

1429
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: seems built. Now, they never needed a quarterback when Elliott

1430
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: Oak was there, so that reshaped the discussion. Would he

1431
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 1: go quarterback at the top of the board. But but

1432
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 1: this was the whole reason Aaron Rodgers left. They wouldn't

1433
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: draft him a receiver in the first round. Do you

1434
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: remember that? Yeah, they just wouldn't do it.

1435
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 2: And I the second round isn't good enough. It has

1436
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 2: to be fair, right, you know.

1437
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: I've been read in the face about this. Marvin Harrison

1438
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: is not the only receiver in the draft. Believe it

1439
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: or not. It's not the only good receiver in the draft.

1440
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: Despite what some people may think. This is such a

1441
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: good wide receiver draft, and people are petrified of Taekwon Thornton,

1442
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: and I get it. The answer to missing on a

1443
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: second round receiver is not to stop drafting second round receivers.

1444
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: It's to change your approach, Recognize me you did wrong,

1445
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: and go back at it. And you now have a

1446
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: front office and a staff that has identified wide receiver

1447
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: talent in the second round at a high level. It

1448
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can throw your eye you close your

1449
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: eyes and throw a dart and hit a pro bowler.

1450
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: But I trust them to find a guy on day two.

1451
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: I trust the new regime to find a wide receiver

1452
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: on day two, which opens you up on day one

1453
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: to the quarterback or the tackle. The report that that

1454
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: they were gonna seriously consider Joalt at three with Elliott Wolf,

1455
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 1: I mean they should seriously be considering everybody. I didn't

1456
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: read a ton into that. I think that's just drafts

1457
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: and antics. His question or if you have any thoughts

1458
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: on that, and then we can get to his question.

1459
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree with that point that you just

1460
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 4: made about that report. And I'm not trying to pick

1461
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 4: on the report. I just at this point in the game,

1462
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 4: everybody's on the board, right.

1463
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: It's just that's just how draft season works.

1464
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 2: It's very early.

1465
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 4: We haven't even hit the combine yet, we haven't hit

1466
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 4: Pro Days, we haven't hit thirty visits.

1467
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 2: Like, we're very very early on in the process. And

1468
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 2: tackle is a big, big need for this team.

1469
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 4: We all know that.

1470
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 2: And so yeah, Joalt is definitely on the table at

1471
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 2: number three. Is he should be.

1472
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 4: He's He's one of the best players on the on

1473
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 4: the board. So I don't necessarily look too much into

1474
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 4: that either. In terms of their draft history in Green Bay,

1475
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 4: I think you make a good point that they never

1476
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 4: really needed the number one quarterback right like they had

1477
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers.

1478
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: They didn't have to draft the guy and he wasn't

1479
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: there when they took he was already gone by the

1480
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: time they took love Wolf was Yeah, but.

1481
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 4: His father, Ron Wolf, one of his big like tenants,

1482
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 4: one of his huge philosophies as a team builder is

1483
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:17,520
Speaker 4: that you should always be taking quarterbacks.

1484
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 2: Like I think Ron Wolf was quarterback every single year.

1485
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 4: I think was his was his whole thing, Like even

1486
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 4: if it was like a seventh round pick, you know,

1487
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 4: just you should always be adding quarterbacks to your room.

1488
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 4: And so I think that they would definitely still see

1489
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 4: the value in quarterback. But I know that people are

1490
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 4: going to hate it, and uh you know, I I

1491
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 4: go back with and forth with people about this on

1492
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 4: the show on Twitter, you know, all the time about tackle.

1493
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 4: But the bottom line is is that there's different ways

1494
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 4: to build a team. And the Detroit Lions, I think

1495
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 4: are a great example of a team and their their

1496
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 4: GM just went out in in the media. Did you

1497
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 4: see that Alex uh And uh And was trashing the

1498
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 4: media because back intoenty twenty one, everybody in Detroit wanted

1499
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 4: the Lions to draft Justin Fields, right, everybody wanted it was,

1500
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 4: you know one of them, the draft Justin Fields. They

1501
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 4: end up making the trade for Jared goff and they

1502
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 4: draft Penny Sewell, yeah, seventh overall. Good for him in

1503
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 4: the draft in twenty twenty one. Do you think the

1504
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 4: Lions are crying that they didn't draft justin Fields? No,

1505
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 4: Like you know, it's so, It's definitely a path, am

1506
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 4: I saying, is the path that.

1507
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 2: I would pick.

1508
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 4: Not necessarily, but if they said to us that, you

1509
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 4: know that we need to get better in the trenches,

1510
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 4: that you know, until we're better up front, the quarterback

1511
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 4: is going to struggle that sort of thing.

1512
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 2: There's definitely sound logic to that.

1513
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: All right, let's go. We got a bunch of emails.

1514
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: Let's run through some of these. Uh, Sam from Saint

1515
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: Catharine's I want to see us trade up for Caleb Williams.

1516
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: If you have the opportunity to get the best quarterback,

1517
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: you do it every time. Fastest way to rebuild is

1518
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: to hit on the quarterback, and he's by far the

1519
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: best one in recent years. I don't care if we

1520
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: have to trade number three and next year's first to

1521
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 1: go get him, next year's first round pick, whatever doesn't

1522
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: matter in the grand scale of things. If we have

1523
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams for the next fifteen years, I mean, it

1524
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: all sounds well and good. If it's this year's first

1525
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: and next year's first, I do it. That's not even

1526
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: gonna come close to what it's gonna take to get

1527
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: up there. If the Bears are even willing to trade

1528
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: it like you're talking about, they do not in theory,

1529
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: he's right if you get Caleb Williams, and Caleb Williams

1530
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: is a better player than Bryce Young, which kind of

1531
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: I know people are gonna have an issue with what

1532
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm about to say, but you need to be able

1533
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 1: to the quarterback's only part of it. You still need

1534
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: to be able to add around the quarterback, and the

1535
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: Patriots don't exactly have the roster where they can just

1536
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 1: bump up at the quarterback and be good. They still

1537
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: need future assets. Yeah, Caleb Williams is a great prospect.

1538
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: I don't think Drake May and Jane Daniels are bad

1539
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 1: prospects though. So I it's gonna be again, if it's

1540
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: just this year's first, next year's first. Fine, you're probably

1541
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: talking about this year's first, this year's second, next year's first,

1542
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,560
Speaker 1: next year second, and a player and that probably just

1543
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: gets you started.

1544
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I the conversation I think that we should be

1545
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 4: having around Chicago. And again, not necessarily the path that

1546
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 4: I would take, but something that is on the table

1547
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 4: is what you trade for justin fields, you know, I

1548
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 4: don't think that trading up to number one overall is

1549
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 4: a great way to go. I know, I agree with

1550
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 4: you that Caleb Williams is a better prospect than Bryce

1551
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 4: Young was, but that is the worst case scenario is

1552
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,440
Speaker 4: to be the Carolina Panthers, where you have a quarterback

1553
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 4: that isn't good enough to elevate it all on his own,

1554
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 4: probably shouldn't need to anyways, Like that's not fair to

1555
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 4: ask of him anyways. And now Bradcetown is going into

1556
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 4: year two and I don't have a first round picked

1557
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 4: upgrade to roster for them, Like they're just in a

1558
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 4: tough spot from Carolina, and I just don't I would

1559
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 4: hate to see the Patriots end up there.

1560
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: Phil in North Carolina is a question for both of us.

1561
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 1: So his question for you, if Drake may superpower and

1562
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: carrying trait is his ability to read and hit the

1563
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 1: middle of the field. Are we then worried about how

1564
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,480
Speaker 1: that carries over to the NFL given the overall competition

1565
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: in the acc This to me is the biggest question

1566
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: Trake May he really didn't play anybody good in college,

1567
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: and you can just watch some of the tape and

1568
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: see how the physical tools translate. But Evan, are you

1569
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 1: worried about the jump in competition, especially when it comes

1570
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: to the middle of the field.

1571
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 4: Uh No, not necessarily, Like I I understand the knock.

1572
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 4: I just I think that his physical traits are bare

1573
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 4: enough for me to not Like you can just use

1574
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 4: the eye test kind of of seeing the arm strength

1575
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 4: and the mobility and the size and that sort of stuff.

1576
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 4: I think my biggest concerns with Drake May are more mechanical,

1577
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 4: you know, like his lower half is never consistent. They're

1578
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to work with if it's him there,

1579
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 4: that's gonna be the thing that they're gonna have to

1580
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 4: drill the most, yea or lower body mechanics.

1581
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 2: But that's why you hired Alex van Pelt, Like, that's

1582
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:05,600
Speaker 2: that's why you hired the.

1583
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: Big footwork guy, by the way, specifically Van Pelt big

1584
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: footwork guy.

1585
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, like those guys that he is known for footwork

1586
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff, being a bit very

1587
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 4: very good at at helping quarterbacks with that DA's Drake

1588
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 4: May's biggest knock right now.

1589
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 2: Is his mechanics and his just pocket mechanics and his

1590
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 2: lower body.

1591
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 4: Hey, if that doesn't get fixed, then he's going to

1592
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 4: spray the ball in the NFL, just like he did

1593
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 4: in college his past year.

1594
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: All right, and his question for me, we kind of

1595
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: just answered this. Assuming Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison Junior

1596
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: are the first two picks, what's more interesting or intriguing

1597
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: for the Patriots taking a quarterback or trading down for

1598
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: wide receiver tackle He take the quarterback, you take Drake May.

1599
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: There a hundred you sprint that card up.

1600
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think that I would still I would

1601
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 4: still take either Drake May or jayde and Daniels over

1602
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 4: the alternative. Like and as much as I would have

1603
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 4: concerns about Jaden Daniels in this exact offense, you go

1604
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 4: to Alex van Pelt, you go to Ben McAdoo, you

1605
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 4: go to that staff, and you say, hey, you got

1606
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 4: this guy that's just got oodles of talent in Jaden Daniels.

1607
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 4: Figure it out, right, I just figure it out. I

1608
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 4: think that's still where you gotta go.

1609
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: Let's see here somebody asking about trading down, talking about

1610
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 1: packages that have gone for the third pick in recent years,

1611
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: talks about like the Trey Lance trade three for twelve

1612
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 1: plus multiple first and thirds future years. Wants to see

1613
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: the Patriots try to build that way, adding a bunch

1614
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,600
Speaker 1: of picks, mentions getting c J. Stroud. I just I

1615
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 1: don't where the organization's at right now. I don't think

1616
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna have the patience to do that. That's that's

1617
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: just the reality of it. Then, rank these four options

1618
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: is bridge quarterbacks for next season? I assume this is

1619
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: the pay if the Patriots don't draft quarterback Jameis Winston, Gardner,

1620
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: Minshew Drew, lock Ja, Kobe Brissett, is Jeff and Needham.

1621
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: He says, if you don't have Jacoby Brissett, last I disagree.

1622
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: Brissette is guaranteed under five hundred. At least the other

1623
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: guys have upside. Well, if you're not taking a quarterback,

1624
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: you're probably not a playoff team. Why are you trying

1625
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: to get to the middle. In terms of ranking them

1626
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: as quarterbacks? I go Jamis Gardner. That's a tough Actually,

1627
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 1: Jamis definitely number one. I feel like Jakobe Gardner Mint

1628
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 1: and Drew lock all kind of the same tier.

1629
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,719
Speaker 2: I kind of like Gardner Minshew out of that group personally.

1630
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, he got the Colts competitive

1631
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 4: this year, you know, like that that team was still

1632
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 4: relevant even though.

1633
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:35,959
Speaker 1: Drew Locke won a couple of games for the Seahawks.

1634
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you Gardner Mitchew won some like a like

1635
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 2: real games like for the Colts.

1636
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:43,839
Speaker 1: Oh if heat the Patriots in Germany.

1637
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 2: And I like Jakobe present as not necessarily.

1638
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 4: It's not a he's not a These are not bridge

1639
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 4: quarterbacks to me, by the way, Like these are backup

1640
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:57,560
Speaker 4: quarterbacks that might be starting seven eight games just to

1641
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 4: get to your rookie.

1642
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: Well, he's talk about Jefs talking about not drafting quarterback

1643
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: or at least not drafting high so right.

1644
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 2: But when I when I think of that though, I

1645
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,799
Speaker 2: think of like that true bridge quarterback.

1646
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that they should do this, but

1647
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 4: like Russell Wilson would be a bridge quarterback. Like you

1648
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 4: try Russell Wilson for a year or two, see if

1649
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 4: it works out, and then you go back into the draft.

1650
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 4: Uh I would I would just say that Jacoby Brissett's

1651
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 4: calling card, and like what makes him an intriguing candidate

1652
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 4: to be signed as a veteran backup is that he's

1653
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 4: He's just a really good freaking dude, right, So, like

1654
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 4: you bring him in, he mentors the guy. He starts

1655
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 4: some games for you in the beginning of the year

1656
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 4: if you need him to uh and and then you

1657
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 4: bring you know you.

1658
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 2: It's a mini bridge. It's not like a bridge bridge.

1659
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 7: But what was it?

1660
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 4: There's another part of somebody's question that I can't remember now,

1661
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 4: all right, never.

1662
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: Mind, all right, Well, this one I think is directed

1663
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: at you. This is from Christian. I'm gonna just read

1664
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 1: this word for word. I'm gonna try to capture Christian's

1665
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: tone here because I think it's good. Okay, Why in

1666
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 1: the hell is Drake May a better fit? Every snap

1667
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: Drake May has taken has been in shotgun, just like

1668
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: the rest of them. If you want the best deep

1669
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 1: ball rollers or boot throwers, it's Daniels and Caleb May

1670
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: throws the ball inaccurately when he rolls out and doesn't

1671
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: set his feet even I assume that's supposed say Evan

1672
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: even has the brain has flu brain for sure. There's

1673
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: a second part to this as well. He sent another email,

1674
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: so that last one was at ten thirty nine. This

1675
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: is at ten fifty five. All caps do not take May.

1676
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: We watch him every week and he's nothing special, dude,

1677
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 1: and please fix your hat.

1678
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 2: Ah, I didn't even know that you could see me.

1679
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 1: To be fair with the hell, Oh yeah, no, you've

1680
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: been upped whole time. I'm glad you broke the seal

1681
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: on us wearing hats on the show. I always wanted

1682
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: to do that.

1683
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 2: I didn't know that you could see me.

1684
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 4: But second of all, I just every single time I

1685
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 4: bring up Drake May in a conversation for the Patriots,

1686
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 4: this is where it goes.

1687
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 2: People just get like furious. I don't understand.

1688
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 1: Oh, Christian, there's a thirty email from Christian. He's from

1689
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,799
Speaker 1: North Carolina, so he's echoing with Eldridge.

1690
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, So you like grew up in North Carolina

1691
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 4: or something, so now you know everything about Drake May. Sorry,

1692
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 4: like no one else can watch him and have an opinion,

1693
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 4: and you wrought the thirty mail.

1694
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 2: I'm I'm only gonna look at Boston College quarterback.

1695
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: Oh, don't make the same mistake I did with Philder

1696
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 1: kobc Yeah. Here's the the first email from Christian. This

1697
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: was at ten o'clock. This was right when the show started. Hello, guys,

1698
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,759
Speaker 1: I need help. I seriously can't not see what everyone

1699
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 1: else does with Drake what everyone else does with Drake May.

1700
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: I've watched film on all the QBS, including every game

1701
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 1: they played last year as well.

1702
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 2: You watched the film.

1703
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. I just feel like everyone

1704
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: heard the big name people say he's number two QB

1705
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 1: and accepted it. Some people explain to me what they

1706
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: see because I see Daniels as being a way better prospect.

1707
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: Thank you. So I just think Daniel's second best quarterback

1708
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: in this class. But I don't think it's that close.

1709
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: Or I do think it's very close. Sorry, I do

1710
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: think it's very close. We do the tube. But anyway,

1711
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 1: your response him, what in the why in the hell

1712
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 1: is Drake May a better fit? Is the lead? Here?

1713
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 4: I keep on telling you, I keep on telling everybody

1714
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 4: why he's a better fit.

1715
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: Well, I guess people tell people tell Christian he doesn't

1716
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:12,799
Speaker 1: see it so well, he's from.

1717
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 2: North Carolina, so he'd know better than me.

1718
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: Oh boy, here we go. It's from Chad. This specifically does,

1719
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: so I'm doing my due diligence on QBS in this

1720
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 1: year's draft. Who do you think based on that? In Truevan,

1721
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:26,719
Speaker 1: this is going to be about.

1722
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:28,600
Speaker 7: I just.

1723
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm doing I'm doing my due diligence on QBS in

1724
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 1: this year's draft, and I'm currently on JJ McCarthy. Now,

1725
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he should be a top five prospect

1726
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 1: with the likes of Williams and and Daniels, but he

1727
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 1: could be a fringe Day two candidate and potentially sit

1728
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 1: behind event until he's ready. That's not what I truly want.

1729
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 1: But JJ's made some really good throws strate his career.

1730
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: Chad in Atlanta, Honestly, I didn't like where that was starting.

1731
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 1: I agree with you, well, minus the last part about he's,

1732
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, made some good throws at his career. Yeah,

1733
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 1: that that's what he is. He's like a fringe day

1734
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: two pick. He's like a back get into the top

1735
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: one hundred pick that you have a Jordan Love type

1736
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: plan for that You're gonna sit for a year or

1737
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 1: two behind an established starter. No chance he needs to

1738
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: play in developing and that's not what I want to

1739
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: see the Patriots do. They don't JJ McCarthy is a

1740
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: perfect fit for the Patriots if it's twenty eighteen and

1741
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 1: they still have Tom Brady for two more years. J J.

1742
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 1: McCarty's the exact kind of guy they draft in that

1743
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 1: situation when you don't have a clear starting quarterback. Not

1744
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 1: so much.

1745
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like, the bottom line with JJ McCarthy

1746
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,719
Speaker 4: is ounce is that both you and I are gonna

1747
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 4: be wrong, right, Like I put him wrong in air

1748
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 4: quotes because I think we probably will end up being

1749
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 4: right in the long run.

1750
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 2: But JJ McCarthy is gonna go in the first round, like.

1751
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, And I've said that I never underestimate how

1752
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: dumb these teams can do. Sorry, And the.

1753
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 4: League likes him better than everybody than the media does that.

1754
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 4: You know that that everybody loves that report, right right?

1755
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 2: You know JJ McCarthy.

1756
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 4: League's higher on him than draft media, League's higher on

1757
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 4: him than whatever, Zach.

1758
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: That was Zach Wilson Man. That's my comp and I'm

1759
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: sticking to it.

1760
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, cool, And I didn't Michael Michael Penix will

1761
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 2: go in.

1762
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: The third round and and the third round.

1763
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 4: J J. McCarthy will go in the first round, and

1764
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 4: Penix will be the better player in the NFL like that.

1765
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's on them.

1766
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: Zack Wilson. Man, I'm sticking by that comp Zach Wilson

1767
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 1: to a team. And remember I didn't Zack Wilson was

1768
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 1: my TBI six in that draft item behind Kyle Trask

1769
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: who didn't pan out. But they got Tom Brady and

1770
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 1: everything changed. Uh, all right, I guess they already had

1771
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. But this is from Gierm. I apologize, I'm

1772
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: pronouncing that wrong. Germ, Hey guy, this is a really

1773
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 1: good emails. Is a really good point. Hey, guys, I

1774
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: was thinking about trade targets. Don't you think maybe Kyle

1775
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,759
Speaker 1: Pitts should be one that would fit the new offense.

1776
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: Haven't heard anything of him being on the trade block,

1777
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: but just an idea. Since the Falcons are changing their

1778
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:57,560
Speaker 1: coaching staff. I don't know what it would take to

1779
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: get Kyle Pitts because there hasn't been that much credit.

1780
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: But we talked before about finding your David Joku. Kyle

1781
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: Pitts a better version of that player. Despite what Arthur

1782
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 1: Smith would have you believe. The one trade down idea

1783
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 1: I entertain is three for eight next year's first and

1784
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts if they're gonna trade down, that's what I

1785
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 1: would do. Now, there may be other ways to get

1786
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. If it's Kyle Pitts for like a third,

1787
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely I would do that. Kyle Pitts in this

1788
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: offense I think would be a tremendous fit. Evan, I

1789
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 1: don't know if you agree, but if you can't tell,

1790
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm still high on Kyle Pitts despite what despite the Falcons'

1791
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 1: best efforts.

1792
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 4: Kyle, I think the biggest thing with Kyle Pitts is

1793
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 4: you need to look at it and realize, like, is

1794
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 4: this just a player that hasn't been used correctly or

1795
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 4: does he just not have a position in the NFL?

1796
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 4: And I would probably agree with you, but that's definitely

1797
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 4: a question that when you watch his film in Atlanta

1798
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 4: and you kind of diagnose the situation is is he

1799
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 4: just one of those guys that's kind of like a

1800
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 4: tweeter and you just don't really know where to put

1801
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 4: them and that.

1802
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 2: Kind of it's difficult.

1803
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 4: Or is he somebody that's just being underutilized and used incorrectly.

1804
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 4: But it was the trade down scenarios earlier. Remember I

1805
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 4: said that something was jogging my mind. So the Patriots

1806
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 4: are at three, right, Arizona's at four, and then the

1807
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 4: Chargers are at five.

1808
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 2: Yep, how much Danny Ainge do is? Does Elliott Wolf have?

1809
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: Oh? This is different, this is different. It's not the

1810
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,600
Speaker 1: NBA Draft. I wouldn't risk it.

1811
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 2: Because those two teams are not going to take.

1812
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks, right, But could especially the Chargers. Could the Chargers

1813
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 1: move back for a team that wants to take a quarterback.

1814
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, then you get jumped.

1815
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I agree with you that it's it's probably too rare.

1816
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is basically, trade down and take

1817
01:27:58,280 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 1: a quarterback. That's what you're saying.

1818
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is is.

1819
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 1: That you're saying, trade down, take quarterback.

1820
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 4: There's a chance that you could probably get and it's

1821
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 4: probably a quarterback. But I'm just saying, there's a chance

1822
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 4: that you could get the same player at six that

1823
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 4: you want at three, because those two teams are going

1824
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 4: to take non quarterbacks.

1825
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 1: I have.

1826
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

1827
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: Put this tablet down to find my list here. Do

1828
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 1: you know the last time a team traded down in

1829
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:23,639
Speaker 1: the top five?

1830
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 2: I know, I know you did your research, but I'm

1831
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 2: just telling you that that is that not awesome.

1832
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: This is you are talking about something, Evan, that hasn't

1833
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: been attempted in thirty years, and all it takes is

1834
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 1: the Falcons or the Raiders or whoever trading up to

1835
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: five and your entire offseason plan is shot. The last

1836
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: quarterback that was traded down for period, forget range. No

1837
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 1: team has traded down and taken a quarterback in the

1838
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: first round since twenty thirteen. That was EJ. Manuel. The

1839
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 1: Bills went from eight to sixteen and took him. He

1840
01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 1: was the only first round quarterback that year. The only

1841
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 1: other times it's happened really in our lifetime, so that

1842
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: was twenty thirteen. The last one before that two thousand

1843
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:10,879
Speaker 1: and three, when the Bears moved back and took Rex Grossman,

1844
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: but they got two first. They moved back from four,

1845
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 1: they got thirteen and twenty two, and they took Grossman

1846
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: at twenty two. Meanwhile, they missed on a Byron Left

1847
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 1: or see only the quarterback they missed on two thousand

1848
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 1: and two.

1849
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 2: It was the first time for everything though.

1850
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,599
Speaker 1: Right two thousand and two, Washington moved back from twenty

1851
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 1: one to thirty two to take Patrick Ramsey nineteen ninety nine. Somebody,

1852
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: I think it's the Bears moved back from seven to

1853
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,640
Speaker 1: twelve to take Cade McNown missed on Dante Culpepper. By

1854
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 1: the way, the last time it happened in the top five,

1855
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: Kerry Collins. The Panthers went from one to five to

1856
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: take carry Collins. Then Houston Oilers took Steve McNair third. Overall,

1857
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: you believe in the quarterback, you take them. It's different

1858
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: than other positions. You believe in the quarterback, you take them.

1859
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: It's a nice idea. Danny Andes Jason Tatum, all that

1860
01:29:57,960 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 1: doesn't work in this league, doesn't work with that position.

1861
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm just saying that that I don't hate. I

1862
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 4: would stay at three and take the quarterback, okad, But

1863
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 4: I get.

1864
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 1: It you're bringing it up.

1865
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 2: And the trade down scenario is like, realistically, if if they.

1866
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 4: If we just say that they don't like the quarterbacks, yeah,

1867
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 4: they don't like quarterback, that's left.

1868
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 2: Then the trade down scenarios are are very intriguing.

1869
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 4: I know it's what nobody wants to hear, but they

1870
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 4: could really set themselves up with a war chest if

1871
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:28,560
Speaker 4: they were to do that.

1872
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 1: So I think the trade down makes sense for me.

1873
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 1: The way I look at the board and is how

1874
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 1: I look at it, like they need to add more picks,

1875
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: they need to add more top fifty picks. I look

1876
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 1: at trading down from thirty four because I think like

1877
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 1: forty to seventy is a real strong point in this draft.

1878
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 1: So I think you move down from thirty four, maybe

1879
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 1: pick up you know, an extra second this year or

1880
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: nextra second next year. Like I like the idea of

1881
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:53,600
Speaker 1: trading down to add assets. I just do it in

1882
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 1: the second round to the first round. Nicholas asked about

1883
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 1: if the Commanders may go with Jane Daniels for Drake May.

1884
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 1: We talked about that. We both think yes.

1885
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 3: Uh.

1886
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: The subject to this one just says last Chance You.

1887
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 1: So I'm very excited because I like, if you haven't

1888
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 1: watched Last Yan to You on Netflix, definitely checking out awesome,

1889
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: awesome football documentary. It's a series they follow a Juco

1890
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: team every year, and actually the guy who produced it

1891
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: is going to be doing the Red Sox Netflix series

1892
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: that's coming out. So definitely recommend Last Chance to You.

1893
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 1: So Craig says Pats fan from the UK since two

1894
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 1: thousand and six, new listeners since the international game. We

1895
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: love that seen one series of Last Chance to You

1896
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: with d Or Scott. I remember de Or Scott who

1897
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: went to uh Hawaii. Oh yes, about Patriots signing him.

1898
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: That was, yeah, it was a while ago. The Last

1899
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 1: Chance You played. My question is the Last Chance You

1900
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 1: players last in the NFL due to limited knowledge of

1901
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: the college system. There's a couple Last Chance to You

1902
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 1: guys hanging around. I think that documentary ultimately hurt a

1903
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 1: lot of guys because they didn't all they paint players

1904
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 1: in the best light. There's been a couple guys, what's

1905
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,719
Speaker 1: his name, the running back were Kim Sanders from Arkansas.

1906
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 1: He was in that. He hung around the league a

1907
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:16,959
Speaker 1: little bit. Pat's about a couple guys in camp Us.

1908
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember who it is. There's one last

1909
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 1: Chance to You player, one last Chance You player who's

1910
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 1: in the league who's really good. But he was never

1911
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: They only would only feature like seven or eight players,

1912
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 1: and he wasn't one of the featured players. He was

1913
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 1: on the team and like you saw him in the background,

1914
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 1: but I don't think they ever interviewed him. I can't

1915
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: remember who that was anyway. I appreciate the question, and

1916
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 1: Chance talked about last Chance too. I got a couple

1917
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: more here, Uh, David uh Boston Dave says, I heard

1918
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 1: you say Drake May is perfect for the offense, not perfect,

1919
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 1: just the best fit. I heard you say Drake May

1920
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 1: is perfect for the offense. Is Pennis or Fields a

1921
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: fit for the offense? A VP is gonna run? We

1922
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 1: talked about this. I think Penis is a really good

1923
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: fit as well. Justin Fields, No, because they strung goal

1924
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: to add that quarterback run element with Deshaun Watson, and

1925
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna need the quarterback run element to make it

1926
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 1: work with Justin Fields.

1927
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:10,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I look. I I just think it's hilarious.

1928
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 4: I think nothing gets people more rouled up than me

1929
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 4: saying that Drake May is a good fit for this

1930
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 4: offense and Jayden Daniels is not as good of a fit.

1931
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:23,560
Speaker 2: I don't look, Jayden Daniels is Uh. He deserves a

1932
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 2: lot of credit.

1933
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,759
Speaker 4: Like he's got like a whole marketing team for himself

1934
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:27,879
Speaker 4: down in North Carolina.

1935
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 2: That's just people. So you know, like that he's in

1936
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:33,480
Speaker 2: good hands.

1937
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 1: Like if only he could be drafted by the Panthers.

1938
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my goodness, like it's it's incredible, all.

1939
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 1: Right, Claire checking in Claire from the UK right now,

1940
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 1: and I reserve the right change my mind. I may

1941
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 1: all the way. I would like see a big, tough,

1942
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: broad shouldered quarterback who can take hits and stuff, not

1943
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 1: a little guy who can run around and not read

1944
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 1: the field as much. I don't know who that's about.

1945
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 2: I would he just wanted to get the broad shoulder game.

1946
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: There also said she's met on Kyle Pitts, which I'm

1947
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 1: surprised of from Claire. I would think it's kind of

1948
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: tight end that that she'd be interested in. Ryan says,

1949
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 1: been watching your mock drafts for years. I always love

1950
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: hearing the players, you like, it's fun to think this

1951
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 1: might be the first year they actually picked some of them. No,

1952
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 1: we had Marcus Jones, we nailed that one. We had

1953
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 1: them taking Cole Strange one year. It wasn't in the

1954
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 1: first round, but we had them taking Cold Strange. We've

1955
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: hit on a couple, you know. I don't know if

1956
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be a shot at us or not,

1957
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 1: but we did.

1958
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 2: You know, I think both of us loved Christian Gonzales.

1959
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:37,680
Speaker 1: We just didn't think We didn't think he'd be on

1960
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: the board right.

1961
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 2: And we had to respect the board, and it turns

1962
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 2: out that we didn't.

1963
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: Now that I think about it, I don't know if

1964
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 1: this is a shot at us or a shot at

1965
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 1: the previous draft saying like, oh, you know the guys

1966
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 1: you like, now they'll take them because they'll take good player.

1967
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 1: I think I feel more interested than ever in draft

1968
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 1: Talk's been hard to get excited for drafts when they

1969
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 1: chose Day three guys on Day one or day two.

1970
01:34:57,240 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 1: Love getting excited about draft talk. Let's see what else

1971
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 1: this one's to me, Alex. I like your direction. Love

1972
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 1: for this is.

1973
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 3: Uh.

1974
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 1: I want to pitch this and get your thoughts. Trade

1975
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 1: down to Falcons at eight, get Pits and next year's

1976
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 1: first for three, then get Pennix in the second round

1977
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 1: and get Gardner Minshew in free agency. I mean, I

1978
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 1: still want to take the quarterback at three, but like

1979
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: I said, this is the one trade down I'll entertain.

1980
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 1: Let's say at eight, you either get Joe Alter Malik

1981
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:34,560
Speaker 1: Neighbors at eight, Yeah, and then you have Pennix and

1982
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,600
Speaker 1: you have the Falcons first next year. Wouldn't be my

1983
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 1: least favorite thing. I don't know that that would be

1984
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 1: an a for me, but I would give it a

1985
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 1: passing great for sure. I don't know about you, Evan.

1986
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that, like I said earlier, the trade

1987
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 4: down scenarios, if you're not falling in love with one

1988
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 4: of these quarterbacks that's going to be available to you,

1989
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:56,000
Speaker 4: then that those are those are all viable scenarios.

1990
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 2: Like I think that's probably what I would do.

1991
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 4: If you're not going to take a quarterback at three

1992
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:03,760
Speaker 4: and you're you're because you're not sold on one of

1993
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 4: these quarterbacks, then I'd be trading down and trying to

1994
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 4: accumulate assets because you're still probably gonna get like once

1995
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 4: we get past the quarterbacks and Marvin Harrison Junior, let's

1996
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 4: face it, like Joe alt Olofashanu Malik neighbors, like these

1997
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 4: are all kind of the same level of prospect.

1998
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 1: At that point. Yeah, this is why, like people are

1999
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 1: just sending emails in because they know what we normally

2000
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 1: don't like read through emails like this. So I apologize

2001
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 1: Evan for hijacking your show, but literally, as I'm reading them,

2002
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 1: more people are sending them in. Robin the Katskills. Any

2003
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 1: thoughts on Jordan Travis in later rounds, Like later, So,

2004
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:39,799
Speaker 1: Jordan Travis, quarterback of Florida State.

2005
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 2: Play, is he even gonna play next year?

2006
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 5: So?

2007
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 1: I guess down at the he went to the Shrine

2008
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 1: Bowl to do interviews, and I guess he was telling

2009
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:53,639
Speaker 1: people he thinks he'll be cleared by October. So like, yeah, look,

2010
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:56,040
Speaker 1: if it's the sixth round, he shouldn't be your only

2011
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:58,639
Speaker 1: quarterback pick. If you're telling me it's the sixth round,

2012
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 1: they feel like they've had a very completet. You want

2013
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 1: to bring him in. Yeah, I mean he showed some

2014
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 1: interesting stuff at Florida State. He is really small, Yeah,

2015
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 1: and that worries me, especially for a guy that's had

2016
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 1: this kind of injury. If you want to take him

2017
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 1: late on Day three as a second quarterback knowing you're

2018
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 1: probably gonna keep him on NFI all year. Sure, I

2019
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 1: mean he's worth a six round flier. I wouldn't be

2020
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 1: opposed to that. I don't know about making him your

2021
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 1: quarterback pick. I wouldn't make him your plan. I would say,

2022
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 1: if you come out of the offseason he's the only

2023
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:30,599
Speaker 1: quarterback you've added, you still don't have any true direction

2024
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 1: a quarterback.

2025
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, all right.

2026
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 1: Last one, here we go Catch twenty two Patriots position philosophy.

2027
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 1: We love philosophy questions, and then we actually got a

2028
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 1: call too, So appreciate you guys carrying the show.

2029
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 2: Somebody from North Carolina.

2030
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Hello. Thinking about last year's rookies after drawd Mayo's hiring,

2031
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: I've been wondering if the team's view on player positions

2032
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 1: will change. Most notably, I'm wondering if Belichick or Mayo

2033
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,480
Speaker 1: viewed Marte mop who was a safety rather than a linebacker.

2034
01:37:57,840 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 1: Did Mayo make the decision to play Mac Wilson on

2035
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:02,599
Speaker 1: the edge rather than as an inside linebacker. With someone

2036
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 1: like James Williams out of Miami, And we got to

2037
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 1: pay attention to the Miami guys now because Alonzo Highsmith's

2038
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 1: in the front office is working with the loot you

2039
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 1: last year. Does somebody like James Williams out of Miami

2040
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:14,680
Speaker 1: be a linebacker or a safety? Into odds isaact cetera,

2041
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 1: et cetera. I genuinely hope Mayo sets guys up for

2042
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: success and plays them at their best positions. Love the show.

2043
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys sharing knowledge with us. Best Carlos, So,

2044
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 1: great question. Great question. Let's start with Mapu because after

2045
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 1: the draft we came in here, Evan, you were so happy,

2046
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 1: encouraged that he was going to be a linebacker and

2047
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna modernize their defense. And he kept rolling your

2048
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 1: eyes at me when I said they drafted him to

2049
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 1: be a big safety and then he became a big safety.

2050
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:45,920
Speaker 1: Does that maybe change this year? Because to another part

2051
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 1: of the email, Mayo, was it Mayo or Steve Belichick

2052
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 1: at the towards the end of the year talked about, yeah,

2053
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 1: we were playing Mac Wilson incorrectly his first year. One

2054
01:38:55,840 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 1: of them said that, yeah, is is there a wreck ignition?

2055
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 1: And do you think they used Marte Mapu correctly this year?

2056
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 1: And a few chances he did play on offense? And

2057
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 1: do you think maybe he gets to play a more

2058
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 1: true linebacker role next year?

2059
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 4: I guess it depends on if Kyle duggars here or not. Like,

2060
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 4: if Kyle Duggar is here and they are they're able

2061
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 4: to to be more flexible with Marty Mapu, then I

2062
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 4: could see that If Kyle Dugger is not here, then

2063
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 4: I think that he's Kyle Duggar's replacement.

2064
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 2: Like I I just I have kind of sort of

2065
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 2: succme to.

2066
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 1: That isn't Kyle Duggart's replacement, though well, Jabil.

2067
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 2: Peppers isn't gonna like man up tight ends and things

2068
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 2: like that. You know, I don't know.

2069
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 4: I'm not for I think in a lot of ways

2070
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,600
Speaker 4: for the better. Like I'm not necessarily saying this is

2071
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 4: like a super negative thing, don't. I don't necessarily think

2072
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 4: that they're gonna philosophically change all that much on defense

2073
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 4: like that, They're gonna sort of look at positions and

2074
01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:59,200
Speaker 4: look at body types and and look at roles and

2075
01:39:59,280 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 4: stuff like that.

2076
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:02,560
Speaker 1: Pretty similarly, I don't think it's a philosophical change. I

2077
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 1: guess it's more And it's a good point in the

2078
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 1: email the way it's phrased. With mac Wilson, it wasn't

2079
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:11,720
Speaker 1: a philosophy change with mac Wilson. They realized the guy

2080
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: was better used doing something else. Do you think there's

2081
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 1: a chance that something similar happens with Marte Moppua? I

2082
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 1: guess is the point?

2083
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 4: I think that, yes, But I think that they might

2084
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:26,960
Speaker 4: look at it and say, well, we're gonna use him

2085
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,920
Speaker 4: for the Kyle Duggar role, not Kyle Duggar's role last year,

2086
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,599
Speaker 4: but like Kyle Duggar's role when Devin mccordy was still here,

2087
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 4: and he's going to be close to the line of

2088
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,160
Speaker 4: scrimmage and playing at the first and second level and

2089
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:38,759
Speaker 4: like that, it all.

2090
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 2: Is kind of the same at that.

2091
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:46,679
Speaker 1: But you want kind of thing, yeah, yeah, this, uh, well.

2092
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:48,839
Speaker 2: We'll see. But you mentioned the loons of Heismith.

2093
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 4: I know we talked about him earlier, but one of

2094
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 4: the things that I think is encouraging about him too

2095
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 4: is that, you know, he's really good at like being

2096
01:40:59,120 --> 01:41:02,680
Speaker 4: like a liaison between the players, the coaching staff and

2097
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:05,880
Speaker 4: the front office with the players and is somebody that

2098
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 4: like is almost like a sounding board for the players

2099
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 4: to like kind of come to him and then you know,

2100
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 4: say come with you know, concerns or whatever. And I

2101
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 4: think that's like a really important role because it kind

2102
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 4: of separates Elliott Wolf from like the players a little bit,

2103
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 4: right and kind serves as like a buffer between those.

2104
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 4: So I'm actually very encouraged about him being on the staff.

2105
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:29,679
Speaker 4: I think that's a really good hire.

2106
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 1: And I mean, you get a former player in that

2107
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:34,680
Speaker 1: front office where Cameron Williams played in college, but you know,

2108
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 1: former NFL, high profile NFL player. You don't need your

2109
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:41,160
Speaker 1: entire front office to be former players. They don't need

2110
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,600
Speaker 1: your entire coaching staff to be former players. But you

2111
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 1: shouldn't be entirely devoid of them either. I truly believe that.

2112
01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:49,719
Speaker 1: So I think high Smith adds that important elmet Let's

2113
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 1: go to William and Philadelphia on the phones. William on

2114
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 1: a very interactive catch twenty two.

2115
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:56,639
Speaker 8: What's going on out?

2116
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 1: Hey?

2117
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 8: What's going on to you too? Evan?

2118
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 2: How you doing all right? Now?

2119
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 8: So I have was I just want to say this

2120
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:09,599
Speaker 8: one first, Well, so much pushback on Drake may Man.

2121
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:10,760
Speaker 6: That's wow.

2122
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 8: I ain't knew Patriot's fans was out on him like that.

2123
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:16,800
Speaker 8: I like Drake Mayy. I know, maybe maybe he can

2124
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:18,720
Speaker 8: do those passes. I don't know. Maybe he wasn't asked,

2125
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:20,639
Speaker 8: Maybe he was just asked to be in a shotgun

2126
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 8: scheme and whatnot. No, I don't know. Excu's the noise

2127
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 8: in the background. Sorry, I'm outside right now.

2128
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 6: I do right now.

2129
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 8: Well, I want to ask you some co questions in

2130
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 8: terms of the draft whatnot. So what do y'all think about? Well,

2131
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say no, let me say this one first, Evan,

2132
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 8: that you were coming out Mark Marvin Harrison Jr. Look,

2133
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 8: I know the Patriots fans, we all want him in

2134
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 8: all do not get me wrong, But I like Roman

2135
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 8: what's the name Roman Wilson from Michigan. Guy, my god,

2136
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,400
Speaker 8: I'm with you. Uh we gotta get him.

2137
01:42:57,920 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2138
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 8: That one hand catch that did it for me. I

2139
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,599
Speaker 8: was like his rowse, he looks so crisp doing him joint.

2140
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:06,400
Speaker 8: I was just like, oh, man, can we please get him?

2141
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 8: And also, what do you think of Brandon Rice? And uh,

2142
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 8: who was the other one? There was another one, Brandon Rice,

2143
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:15,519
Speaker 8: which has Jerry Rice done?

2144
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 1: Do you remember the school?

2145
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2146
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:19,600
Speaker 1: What school was that?

2147
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 8: I can't I can't think of the other receiver though,

2148
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 8: Oh the one receiver everybody talking about. What's his name name?

2149
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 3: Cocky?

2150
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:28,960
Speaker 1: Oh Lad mccakkeye, Yeah, Lad mccaukaye from Georgia.

2151
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 3: My goyeah, man, I.

2152
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:32,560
Speaker 8: Mean, I mean, I get it. I understand. He's like

2153
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:34,719
Speaker 8: a Julian. I get he he's always open.

2154
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 4: I get it.

2155
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 3: I get it.

2156
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 8: But I still want Roman Wilson. I want something a

2157
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 8: little different. That's just me personally.

2158
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:42,439
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks for the call, William all right, take

2159
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: care now. So it's funny he brought those two names up.

2160
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm working on my mock draft right now. Give a

2161
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 1: little spoiler alert. I'm I'm deciding between Brandon Rice and

2162
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 1: Roman Wilson, and I'm really going back and forth. Those

2163
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 1: are two good players, as you like to say't I

2164
01:43:57,960 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 1: think that's a flavor thing, right, what do you want?

2165
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 1: They're both good, but they both win completely differently.

2166
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:05,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really impressed with both of them.

2167
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 4: And Mobile, I mean, remind Wilson, as as Williams said,

2168
01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:11,439
Speaker 4: is just he's he's crispy, right, Like his routes are

2169
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 4: just efficient, quick, sudden, all of the things that you love.

2170
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:20,439
Speaker 4: Sets up routes fantastically well, great ball skills. You know,

2171
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 4: I had the one handed catch, but he caught the

2172
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 4: ball really well all week. He's a smooth criminal out

2173
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:26,200
Speaker 4: there like that.

2174
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 2: That's what he does. Brendan Rice is yeah, you know,

2175
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 2: he's he's an ex He's a bullyball receiver.

2176
01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:36,559
Speaker 4: He But I think what it was impressive about him,

2177
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,599
Speaker 4: you know, first day was a lot of the contested catches,

2178
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:42,599
Speaker 4: a lot of you know, grabs through traffic and things

2179
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 4: like that. But then on day two, he ran some

2180
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:47,560
Speaker 4: routes and actually got open. I thought he got it

2181
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 4: open in the red zone periods too, and in day

2182
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 4: three a little bit. So I think he's someone that

2183
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 4: even for his size six twoish, he can get down

2184
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,160
Speaker 4: and he can sink and come in and out of

2185
01:44:57,240 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 4: breaks and things. I don't think he's gonna be a dynamic,

2186
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 4: top of the out type of guy, but for his size,

2187
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 4: I think he can do that. So it depends what

2188
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:07,840
Speaker 4: they tackle in free agency. And I know that some

2189
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 4: people think it's a cop out, but this is the

2190
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 4: biggest thing that that gets on my nerves, Alex is,

2191
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 4: like we're talking about these things like free agency doesn't exist.

2192
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:19,360
Speaker 4: So like if they if they signed Michael Pittman or

2193
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 4: they signed t Higgins or something like that.

2194
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's not going to be Brandon Rice, right, shouldn't.

2195
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 4: If they signed Calvin Ridley, then it's probably not going

2196
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 4: to be a Roman Wilson, right, like you know, Like

2197
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:33,760
Speaker 4: so like that, that's that's all it is. And it's

2198
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:35,680
Speaker 4: good to talk about all these guys because you get

2199
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 4: all the different sort of flavors that they would be

2200
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 4: at their disposal. I still think Brandon Rice is in

2201
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 4: this class, it's such a deep receiver class. Is he

2202
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 4: a third round pick? Is he maybe, you know, probably

2203
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 4: a late third round pick something like that. But I

2204
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 4: don't know if he's necessarily going to go. I think

2205
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 4: Roman Wilson could go very high, like not first round,

2206
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 4: but uh, you know, someplace in the second round.

2207
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 1: I think he might fall a little bit. And that's

2208
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:04,599
Speaker 1: not to say he's not a good player. I think

2209
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:08,560
Speaker 1: teams value production. He doesn't. And some of this is

2210
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:11,160
Speaker 1: just the class, right, he doesn't have the production that

2211
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:14,160
Speaker 1: some of these other guys do. He's a little bit

2212
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 1: on the smaller side.

2213
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:17,040
Speaker 2: Would he have had the production that some of these

2214
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:18,719
Speaker 2: other guys do if he played at a different.

2215
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:21,640
Speaker 1: See Yeah, but but how many teams miss that? Like

2216
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 1: look at where Pokinako went last year? Yeah, and this

2217
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:28,000
Speaker 1: thing he went. I think teams are more willing to

2218
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 1: say that, Like I look at Tank Dell who went

2219
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:30,760
Speaker 1: in the third round that year. Like Tank Dell went

2220
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:32,960
Speaker 1: to Houston. They weren't a Power five school at the time.

2221
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 1: I think teams are more willing to look at a

2222
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 1: guy like that, whereas like Roman Wilson went to Michigan.

2223
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:42,479
Speaker 4: So yeah, I know, but it's a run first offense

2224
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:46,320
Speaker 4: with JJ McCarthy as the quarterback. Like if Roman Wilson's

2225
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:49,320
Speaker 4: getting fed the ball in CFB last year, if he's

2226
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 4: in Washington's offense, like if you imagine the numbers he

2227
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:54,720
Speaker 4: would have put up with Michael Pennix last year, it

2228
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:56,960
Speaker 4: would have been you know, like that. That's that's My

2229
01:46:57,080 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 4: only point is just that he is not the competition

2230
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 4: or anything like that. It's more just like the type

2231
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:05,599
Speaker 4: of offense that he was in. You know, they ran

2232
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 4: fall percent of the time.

2233
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that I'm just we know NFL teams don't

2234
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:12,920
Speaker 1: always get this right. And romand William Roman Wilson, we

2235
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 1: talked about J. J. McCarthy the other way. Yeah, teams

2236
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:18,720
Speaker 1: love JJ McCarthy and they're gonna kind of look at

2237
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:20,959
Speaker 1: Roman Wilson and be like, well, we love this quarterback

2238
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 1: and this guy didn't really produce.

2239
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 5: So I.

2240
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 1: Screams Roman Wilson, screams the guy the league missed. It's

2241
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:31,680
Speaker 1: not me saying I don't like him, that I think

2242
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 1: he's gonna fall. It's just all these receivers that we've

2243
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:37,760
Speaker 1: seen fall the last few years. It's a gut thing

2244
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:40,800
Speaker 1: like romand Wilson to me, is the guy that a

2245
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:42,640
Speaker 1: year from now. We're sitting here and I'm trying to

2246
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:44,800
Speaker 1: make the case that the Patriots can draft some guy

2247
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:48,360
Speaker 1: on day three instead of in round three instead around two.

2248
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting here saying, well, look at romand Wilson

2249
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:52,559
Speaker 1: last year, Like he just screams that kind of guy

2250
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:55,280
Speaker 1: to me. So he's a mon ross name Brown, That's

2251
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 1: I don't know why couldn't think of his name. I

2252
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 1: was trying to think of his name. Thank you? Yes,

2253
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:00,519
Speaker 1: who is actually your comp for hims? So perfect?

2254
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Lad McConkie is I like Laddi McConkie.

2255
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:07,679
Speaker 4: I think that he was more a little bit more explosive,

2256
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:09,559
Speaker 4: a little bit more bursty than I gave him credit

2257
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 4: for before I saw him in person. But yeah, that's

2258
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:15,519
Speaker 4: such a setting that Lad McConkie should shine in. Like

2259
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 4: there's no there's not a ton of contact.

2260
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:18,840
Speaker 2: It's one on ones.

2261
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:22,080
Speaker 4: Like if you're a route runner, if you're a guy

2262
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 4: that gets open like that, you have to be able

2263
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:27,559
Speaker 4: to get open in that type of setting in mobile

2264
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 4: otherwise you're you're you're really in trouble. So I don't

2265
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:34,360
Speaker 4: want to put too much stock in lad McConkie at

2266
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:37,360
Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl during one on ones because like that's

2267
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:38,920
Speaker 4: that should be his bread and butter.

2268
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:43,760
Speaker 1: I still think he's at his best as like a

2269
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 1: strong number two receiver. I still don't know if he's

2270
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 1: a coverage dictator.

2271
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:49,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's more than fair.

2272
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:52,200
Speaker 1: All right. As we wrap it up here, we work

2273
01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:53,759
Speaker 1: through all the calls, who work through all the emails

2274
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:56,640
Speaker 1: again on a very interactive catch twenty two. It is

2275
01:48:56,720 --> 01:49:00,120
Speaker 1: super Bowl week. Yeah, super Bowl week. We've got the

2276
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:03,920
Speaker 1: Niners and the Chiefs in a couple of days. We

2277
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:05,519
Speaker 1: can do picks for the game. But more so we

2278
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 1: kind of talked about it earlier. Evan, I'm just what

2279
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 1: do we learn? I say this every year there's something

2280
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,080
Speaker 1: there's one big lesson learned from every Super Bowl. It's

2281
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 1: always something different, copycat league. There's always one big lesson

2282
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:19,519
Speaker 1: learned from every Super Bowl that you see kind of become,

2283
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, a trend or teams try to pick up on,

2284
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,599
Speaker 1: or just a focus or something like that. And sometimes

2285
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 1: it depends who wins I or sometimes it's on Huluse

2286
01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:33,639
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, the Chiefs Buck super Bowl in twenty twenty,

2287
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 1: I thought kicked off a lot of you talked about earlier,

2288
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 1: the lines with Pinney seool this, Hey, we've got to

2289
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:43,560
Speaker 1: put more into building the front because you had the

2290
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:45,320
Speaker 1: Bengals kind of get run out of the playoffs with

2291
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 1: the bad front, and then you had the Chiefs just

2292
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:49,439
Speaker 1: unable to block anybody with all those weapons they had.

2293
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:52,320
Speaker 1: They had Peak Kelsey, peak Tyreek Kill with Patrick Mahomes

2294
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:55,360
Speaker 1: all of that. As you look at this Super Bowl,

2295
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 1: what is maybe the lesson that we're gonna end up

2296
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:01,400
Speaker 1: taking away from the Sunday night that we we come

2297
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:03,720
Speaker 1: back here on this show next week could say, well,

2298
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots should do this because of what happened in

2299
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:07,639
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl.

2300
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 2: It's a good question.

2301
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,559
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be something that I don't necessarily

2302
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:16,559
Speaker 4: subscribe to, you know. I think it's gonna be something

2303
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 4: that I'm gonna end up being wrong about, uh, in

2304
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 4: the in at least some ways.

2305
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2306
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 4: Uh, I look at it and say that it's either

2307
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:30,160
Speaker 4: gonna be something about defense. Rightley, Defense still still holds up.

2308
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:34,599
Speaker 4: Defense still matters win championships. Yeah, whether it's Spags doing

2309
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:38,639
Speaker 4: his thing or the Niners defense playing better because they actually,

2310
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:40,800
Speaker 4: you know, the Niners defense hasn't actually been that great

2311
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 4: for most of the year, or I think it could

2312
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:47,560
Speaker 4: come down to these two running backs, like this is

2313
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:51,240
Speaker 4: a really good Not that Isaiah Pacheco and Christian McCaffer

2314
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 4: are going up against each other, but this is a

2315
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:56,240
Speaker 4: those are two really dynamic backs.

2316
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

2317
01:50:57,600 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 4: And I wouldn't be surprised if if we come out

2318
01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:01,880
Speaker 4: of this game and one of those guys is Super

2319
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:02,400
Speaker 4: Bowl MVP.

2320
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

2321
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 4: So I think that you're gonna see some of that,

2322
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 4: you know, Kansas City in my mind, you know, what

2323
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:15,200
Speaker 4: they've how they've turned mostly into like the Patriots of

2324
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:20,240
Speaker 4: old in my eyes, is that they've now realized that

2325
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:25,040
Speaker 4: wherever their talent around Patrick Mahomes takes them, they can

2326
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:28,680
Speaker 4: kind of just ebb and flow with wherever they can

2327
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:33,200
Speaker 4: find the talent. Right like now, it started with Patrick

2328
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:37,600
Speaker 4: Mahomes and it's they're this high flying offense they you know,

2329
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:40,040
Speaker 4: eighteen nineteen Kansas City is like one of the best

2330
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:42,519
Speaker 4: offenses in the NFL history, like up there with those

2331
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 4: seven Patriots.

2332
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:46,120
Speaker 2: Then they lose some of that offensive.

2333
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:49,400
Speaker 4: Talent, but the board follows towards defense for them, and

2334
01:51:49,479 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 4: they add Trent McDuffie and they add lugerious need, and

2335
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:54,920
Speaker 4: they add you know, they have Chris Jones there already,

2336
01:51:55,640 --> 01:51:58,439
Speaker 4: and now all of a sudden, they're like this offense

2337
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:02,240
Speaker 4: that does just an enough that you know, we're gonna

2338
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:05,599
Speaker 4: score twenty four on offense and our defense is gonna

2339
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 4: hold you to twenty one.

2340
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:08,439
Speaker 2: Right like that, That's like, which.

2341
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 1: Is what they've kind of the model that we thought

2342
01:52:10,280 --> 01:52:11,880
Speaker 1: the Patriots are going forward the last few years.

2343
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it just it seems like that.

2344
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:20,120
Speaker 4: That's what makes the Chiefs so unique is that, like

2345
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:23,280
Speaker 4: they have Mahomes, so they know that they're gonna get

2346
01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:26,680
Speaker 4: some offense. Like they're not gonna be completely shut out

2347
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:30,240
Speaker 4: on offense, but they have kind of they've morphed, they've

2348
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 4: changed the way that they play football now. So it's

2349
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 4: gonna be interesting to see if that's gonna be enough

2350
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:37,599
Speaker 4: against the forty nine ers.

2351
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:40,240
Speaker 2: I hoped a big prevailing takeaway from the Super Bowl,

2352
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:40,559
Speaker 2: as you.

2353
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:43,599
Speaker 4: Know, Alex, is that Kyle Shanahan has finally anointed himself

2354
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:47,519
Speaker 4: as as a great head coach. That's what That's what

2355
01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 4: I hope, But I don't know if that's gonna happen.

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01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:53,160
Speaker 1: So I got to give you the list on on

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01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 1: Shanahan because and we've talked about this off the year.

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01:52:56,240 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that we've ever had this conversation on

2359
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:03,040
Speaker 1: the air. But first, just my thoughts on the lessons

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01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:06,960
Speaker 1: we might learn from the Super Bowl outside of Mahomes

2361
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:09,679
Speaker 1: that chiefs offense does not have a lot of talent,

2362
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:13,400
Speaker 1: really doesn't like Rashi Rice is fine. I don't know

2363
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:15,479
Speaker 1: that he'd be as productive anywhere else. They'd kind of

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01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 1: have to force feed him the ball. And I really

2365
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 1: like Isaia Pacheco, But I mean, is it that in

2366
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 1: terms of just talent outside of the quarterback position, is

2367
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:27,840
Speaker 1: it that different than what the Patriots have? Not, which,

2368
01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 1: to me, the lesson would be do everything he can

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01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:33,560
Speaker 1: to get the quarterback. And this is applying this is

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01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 1: looking at through the lens of a draft guy to

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01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:37,719
Speaker 1: everything he can to get the quarterback because he's gonna

2372
01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:40,880
Speaker 1: be able to elevate if the Niners win. The lesson

2373
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:45,080
Speaker 1: isn't Evan I actually wrote about this off something off

2374
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:46,920
Speaker 1: an interview you had. I forget if it was Matt

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01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:48,519
Speaker 1: I think it was Matt Grow. You interviewed matc Grow

2376
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 1: and Cameron Williams at the Senior Bowl and I forget

2377
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:53,439
Speaker 1: which one of them gave the quote about all the

2378
01:53:53,479 --> 01:53:58,440
Speaker 1: teams in the final round of the playoffs have explosive

2379
01:53:58,479 --> 01:54:03,519
Speaker 1: playmakers on offense. Yeah, okay, so I took that quote

2380
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:07,360
Speaker 1: really ground level phase value. All right, let's talk about

2381
01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 1: the teams that made the deep He used the word

2382
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:11,760
Speaker 1: deep run, so we'll call it the final four. Yeah,

2383
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:16,000
Speaker 1: forty nine ers their best skill position players, George Kittle, Deebo,

2384
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:21,840
Speaker 1: Samuel Brandon, Ayuk, Christian McCaffrey. Three of those four guys

2385
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:23,640
Speaker 1: were not first round picks by the Niners. The other

2386
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:25,639
Speaker 1: one was a late first round pick after they'd already

2387
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:30,200
Speaker 1: established their offense. The Detroit Lions, they did use a

2388
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:33,280
Speaker 1: first round pick on Jameson Williams, but that was after

2389
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:36,160
Speaker 1: they added their real weapon, their real leader offensively, Aman

2390
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:38,280
Speaker 1: Ross Saint Brown in the fourth round.

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01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2392
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:42,080
Speaker 1: You look at the Chiefs Travis Kelsey Day two pick,

2393
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:45,680
Speaker 1: Rashie Rice drafted later on Isaiah Pacheco's seventh round pick.

2394
01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 1: The one exception may be the Ravens because they did

2395
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:52,840
Speaker 1: use a first on Za and I think Baitan was

2396
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:55,640
Speaker 1: a first round pick too, right, But you look at

2397
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:57,480
Speaker 1: they got Mark Andrews later on in the draft. They

2398
01:54:57,600 --> 01:55:00,640
Speaker 1: signed Odell Beckham as a free agent. These teams all

2399
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:04,000
Speaker 1: do have incredible explosive players, the heavy majority of them

2400
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:06,040
Speaker 1: were not first round picks, at least not by that team.

2401
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:11,640
Speaker 1: Right McCaffrey was traded something like that. There's so much

2402
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:16,240
Speaker 1: skill position talent coming into the league now that you

2403
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:18,000
Speaker 1: can get. You don't need to use a first round

2404
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:20,600
Speaker 1: pick to get an elite playmaker. You do soft to

2405
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:23,200
Speaker 1: correctly identify and develop the guy, which is where I

2406
01:55:23,240 --> 01:55:25,960
Speaker 1: think the Patriots have fallen short. But you do not

2407
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 1: need to use a first round pick. Now you look

2408
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:31,720
Speaker 1: at those teams, how they the quarterbacks three first round

2409
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:35,640
Speaker 1: picks and brock Purty is when you have the talent

2410
01:55:35,680 --> 01:55:38,600
Speaker 1: the Niners have, you can trust your seventh round quarterbacks.

2411
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:40,840
Speaker 1: Patriots don't have a time watching.

2412
01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:41,520
Speaker 7: I know.

2413
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm the one who said when Jimmy Garoppolo got hurt

2414
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:47,000
Speaker 1: last year that brock Purty was going to lead them

2415
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:49,120
Speaker 1: to the conference championship. By the way, I don't know

2416
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:49,800
Speaker 1: what I'm watching.

2417
01:55:50,720 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 2: He's the next Joe Montage.

2418
01:55:52,520 --> 01:55:55,000
Speaker 1: Three of the four quarterbacks are first round picks or

2419
01:55:55,080 --> 01:55:57,879
Speaker 1: Jerry Goff traded for first round pick, and the offensive

2420
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:00,800
Speaker 1: lines are loaded with first round talent. Yeah, I think

2421
01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:03,080
Speaker 1: that's the I think that's the lesson you'll learn. I

2422
01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:04,280
Speaker 1: think that's the lesson you'll learn.

2423
01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:08,160
Speaker 4: I think you're you're getting into this age of football

2424
01:56:08,240 --> 01:56:11,440
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways. You know, Lions, Niners, you

2425
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:13,520
Speaker 4: know a lot of these teams are building up the

2426
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:17,480
Speaker 4: roster around the quarterback and then just drop in quarterbacks

2427
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:23,440
Speaker 4: that whether it's Jared Goff, Brock Purty level or better. Uh,

2428
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:26,400
Speaker 4: if they can find better, and then you know, I

2429
01:56:26,520 --> 01:56:28,640
Speaker 4: maybe I would say better would be like Stafford, you

2430
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:33,120
Speaker 4: know at the Rams, uh and that, and that's how

2431
01:56:33,160 --> 01:56:34,680
Speaker 4: they've built it. And I think that that in a

2432
01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:37,120
Speaker 4: lot of ways, if you're the Patriots, you do have

2433
01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:39,960
Speaker 4: to look at that model and say, if we take

2434
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:42,680
Speaker 4: a quarterback at three overall, like, are are we sure

2435
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 4: that it's gonna work out? Because that quarterback is gonna

2436
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:46,480
Speaker 4: have to cover up a lot.

2437
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:48,960
Speaker 1: But I think the lesson is if you're not gonna

2438
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:50,720
Speaker 1: do that, you take a tackle, not a receiver.

2439
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2440
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:57,640
Speaker 1: Right on Shanahan, here's what's a stake. Kyle Shanahan is

2441
01:56:57,720 --> 01:56:59,800
Speaker 1: in his seventh year as the head coach of the

2442
01:56:59,880 --> 01:57:03,640
Speaker 1: night He has not won a super Bowl. He is

2443
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 1: the longest tenured NFL head coach right now, like with

2444
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:08,920
Speaker 1: his team, with the team he's on that has not

2445
01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:13,040
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl. Here's the company he's approaching. There

2446
01:57:13,120 --> 01:57:15,080
Speaker 1: are one, two, three, four, five, six, nine coaches in

2447
01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:18,800
Speaker 1: NFL history who coached somewhere for ten years without winning

2448
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:22,040
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. It's eight and then there's a there's

2449
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:29,000
Speaker 1: an asterisk here. Marvel Levy, Marv Lewis, Ted Marchibroda, Jeff Fisher,

2450
01:57:29,720 --> 01:57:33,800
Speaker 1: Dan Reeves, Jason Garrett, Andy Reid and Philly he obviously

2451
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:36,360
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl later, Andy Reid and Philly, Dennis

2452
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:40,480
Speaker 1: Green and Jim Mora. Mike Holmgren also coached the Seahawks

2453
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:42,080
Speaker 1: for ten years, but he had previously won a title

2454
01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:44,760
Speaker 1: with the Packers, so I'm not counting him. My point is,

2455
01:57:44,840 --> 01:57:48,480
Speaker 1: this is the group. Kyle Shanahan has this Super Bowl

2456
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:51,120
Speaker 1: in two more years to prove to me that he

2457
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:52,760
Speaker 1: is not Jeff Fisher or Marvel Lewis.

2458
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:55,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's ridiculous.

2459
01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:58,560
Speaker 1: This is his This is his comp right now, Evan,

2460
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 1: this is his comp He.

2461
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:02,760
Speaker 2: Isn't better coach than Jeff Fisher. Stop.

2462
01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:03,880
Speaker 3: This is it is.

2463
01:58:04,120 --> 01:58:05,920
Speaker 1: It has not been done a lot. Jeff Fisher is

2464
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:07,320
Speaker 1: not a bad coach. He was good enough to hang

2465
01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:10,600
Speaker 1: around for ten years. But this these are his peers.

2466
01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:13,280
Speaker 1: This is his company until he wins one. And for

2467
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:15,720
Speaker 1: what it's worth. So I said he's the longest he's tied.

2468
01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:18,360
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott also fits in this category. They're hired the

2469
01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:22,840
Speaker 1: same year, so you know that his company right now.

2470
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm root in this game, and this is making me

2471
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:26,240
Speaker 2: want to root for him even more.

2472
01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:31,240
Speaker 1: His company right now is Sean McDermott, Marv Lewis, Jeff Fisher,

2473
01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:34,720
Speaker 1: Dennis Green, Jim Morden. You're gonna say he's Philly, Andy

2474
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:36,920
Speaker 1: Reid because Andy Reid is on this list. I threw

2475
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:38,240
Speaker 1: that one in for you when you missed it.

2476
01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:41,800
Speaker 2: He is that I That's a comp I would always

2477
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:42,560
Speaker 2: I use all the time.

2478
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:46,000
Speaker 1: Though he's gotta leave San Francisco then, no, now this

2479
01:58:46,160 --> 01:58:48,720
Speaker 1: is his this is his time. He's got to leave,

2480
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:51,640
Speaker 1: saying he needs Patrick Malomes, he needs the best quarterback

2481
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:52,640
Speaker 1: in the league to win a super Bowl.

2482
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:54,880
Speaker 2: If he's Andy Reed, No, no, he's winning super Bowl.

2483
01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:56,320
Speaker 1: You got it real quick? Who you got?

2484
01:58:57,280 --> 01:59:01,600
Speaker 2: I got the Niners. Go Niners, baby, I'm a Niners fan.

2485
01:59:02,120 --> 01:59:04,960
Speaker 4: I'm rooting for the Niners, and I want to just

2486
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:08,240
Speaker 4: I want to shut up all these narratives about my guy,

2487
01:59:08,360 --> 01:59:11,600
Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan, and I want to I don't want to

2488
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:14,600
Speaker 4: hear your lists anymore comparing him to Jeff Fisher and

2489
01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:15,400
Speaker 4: Marvin Lewis.

2490
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:18,280
Speaker 1: So it's not my list, that's a fact.

2491
01:59:18,200 --> 01:59:19,840
Speaker 2: Picking with I'm picking with that.

2492
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:22,600
Speaker 4: I'm picking with my heart, and I'm saying forty nine

2493
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:25,680
Speaker 4: ers get done and Kyle Shanahan finally gets it done.

2494
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:27,960
Speaker 1: So we will be watching the super Bowl together. We

2495
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:30,240
Speaker 1: will be we will be rooting for the same team,

2496
01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 1: the Niners. I'm not betting against Chiefs. I'm not betting

2497
01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:36,160
Speaker 1: against Patrick Mahomes. I watched Tom Brady for twenty four

2498
01:59:36,240 --> 01:59:38,160
Speaker 1: years playing how many of these games. I know how

2499
01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:40,560
Speaker 1: this works when that guy's in this game. I know

2500
01:59:40,680 --> 01:59:43,000
Speaker 1: how that works. And I'm not saying Patrick Mahomes is

2501
01:59:43,080 --> 01:59:45,840
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, but he's this ever's equivalent. I think the

2502
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 1: Chiefs win. I want the Niners to win because I

2503
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:51,320
Speaker 1: want my takes about Jimmy Garoppolo and the the net

2504
01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:55,040
Speaker 1: neutral quarterback and and you know pass catchers on Day two.

2505
01:59:55,160 --> 01:59:56,960
Speaker 1: I want all that to pan out, even if it

2506
01:59:57,040 --> 02:00:00,280
Speaker 1: means you get your Kyle Shanahan take, but that's who

2507
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:02,680
Speaker 1: I've got. Anyway. We'll be back next week, hopefully finally

2508
02:00:03,080 --> 02:00:06,200
Speaker 1: in the same studio once again. I We'll obviously have

2509
02:00:06,240 --> 02:00:08,400
Speaker 1: a lot more to get into personnel wise, getting closer

2510
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:11,400
Speaker 1: to free agency and the combine. But until then, for

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02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:14,280
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