WEBVTT - Ep. 187: Tripping on Bear Skulls

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<v Speaker 1>where you stand with on x Oh, Yanni? Can you

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<v Speaker 1>tell everybody about your road kill moose story? Sure? Can? Steve?

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead? I was on my way home hard day

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<v Speaker 1>of work. Yeah, it was late, actually it was that

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<v Speaker 1>after six beautiful day though. I remember because I was

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<v Speaker 1>in my shorts and a short sleeved shirt and at

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<v Speaker 1>that time of the night it was still nice and warm.

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<v Speaker 1>I was actually on my way to meet my neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>because is the post production team needed a piece of metal, um,

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<v Speaker 1>sheet metal or something of the like to put underneath

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<v Speaker 1>some food that they were going to be shooting, and

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted a different background. And as you know, my neighbor, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta plug his business right anyone living in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Barton of Southwest Montana, Barton Fabrication, You need any sort

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<v Speaker 1>of welding, cool metal work type done. Steve had a

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<v Speaker 1>what's that thing called it's a long list. He made

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<v Speaker 1>my three sixteen inch thick garden boxes on a welded

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<v Speaker 1>steel plate, which your coolest ship. Yeah, they looked nice.

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<v Speaker 1>He made. He he does like fancy houses, I should

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<v Speaker 1>point out, but I have him do like low grade stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So he did that. He we. I had a stainless

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<v Speaker 1>steel trompo, which is like when you're in Mexico and

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<v Speaker 1>I got the the big thing of pork that spins

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<v Speaker 1>on a spindle and you order a taco and a

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<v Speaker 1>shave off to take like a machette and shave off

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<v Speaker 1>hunks of meat onto a street taco. I think more

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<v Speaker 1>people would uh understand it though, if you just said,

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<v Speaker 1>like a hero, like if you had a Greek place

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<v Speaker 1>and you look in the back and there's that big

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<v Speaker 1>hunk of meat, because that's where you like to go

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<v Speaker 1>for vacation. I don't. I've never been. I'd love to

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<v Speaker 1>check out Greece, though, but I'm just saying that most

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<v Speaker 1>people would. That's that's what you think of when you

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<v Speaker 1>think of a big hun good spinning meat. Yeah, well no,

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<v Speaker 1>sure if you do. Growing up in Missoula, Montana, there

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<v Speaker 1>were three euro places like yeah really yeah, a cropolis Greek,

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<v Speaker 1>and they all had a trumpo. Then it called a trumpo.

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<v Speaker 1>They probably call some Greek thing. Yeah, yep, correct. How

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<v Speaker 1>would you say it if you're goofing on like a

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<v Speaker 1>trompolo trumpo trumpolo, and if you put a Greek spin

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<v Speaker 1>on it, trumpoppopoca. So he yeah, mine was hand crack.

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<v Speaker 1>You had to hand turn. Ronnie Bain made it. We

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<v Speaker 1>used it once at my wedding, but it was hand turned,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he retro fitted it for a He retro

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<v Speaker 1>fitted it for a Rotistrie motor, did a beautiful job

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Then he made me twelve des and I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't do a lot of stuff's way beneath him. He

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<v Speaker 1>made me twelve snare supports, So weldon galvanized wire on

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<v Speaker 1>the rebar so that you pound the rebarn to the

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<v Speaker 1>ground in position the wire right where he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>hang beaver snares whatever you're snaring um. And and now

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing something doesn't require welding where because he's got

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<v Speaker 1>a hoist. He's helping me mount uh Honda jet onto

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<v Speaker 1>my hog island shallow water skiff nice. And meanwhile he

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<v Speaker 1>does all kinds of fancy house stuff spartan fabrication. He is.

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<v Speaker 1>We can go on and on about this guy. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean he I'm so lucky to have him as a neighbor.

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<v Speaker 1>He is the world's best neighbor. I mean he just

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<v Speaker 1>he's a fire chief. He's a higher achieved so he's

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<v Speaker 1>like home half the time. And when he's at home,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like any problem you could think of at your house.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, hey, Travis, uh my chains got one of these?

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<v Speaker 1>Come on down, you know, just bring the truck over,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll put on the lift. We'll just take those wheels

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<v Speaker 1>right off. Right now. That's not true though, because he

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<v Speaker 1>failed us on a thirty six inch chainsall bar. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're offered up a cross cut saw. Ye if you

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<v Speaker 1>can't help you out. He has a good sense of humor. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, in my house for our remodel, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>there's a ton of Travis bartin work handrails. Um. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you call the pieces? The ballusters? You know that

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<v Speaker 1>all that is Travis is there's some I beams in there,

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<v Speaker 1>some shelving. My whole kitchen table countertop is made out

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<v Speaker 1>of steel. And I can't tell a good world. But

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<v Speaker 1>anybody that's ever come over that must have some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of background in welding. They look at that table and

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<v Speaker 1>they go, whoever did this knows their ship. That's funny

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<v Speaker 1>because Doug Dering took a look at my garden boxes

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<v Speaker 1>and the first thing he said is he made a

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<v Speaker 1>joke about the worlds, meaning like he made like a

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<v Speaker 1>reverse joke, commented on the shitty welds meaning holy sh it,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a dirt like a dirt joke. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like he basically he was saying, like, what a phenomenal weld,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead of saying that, he acted like he was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, it must have been this guy's first day. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know I'm doing a horrible job. Yeah, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>get it though. So I was on my way to

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<v Speaker 1>Travis's house and um, right when I pulled off the pavement,

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot we're talking about yeah, talking about my road

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<v Speaker 1>kill moose, um travishes. They're waiting for me on the dirt,

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<v Speaker 1>which I thought was odd and specifically waiting for you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because he I was going to his house to meet him,

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<v Speaker 1>so he knew I was on the way, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he walks up to my truck and he just says, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to moose. Kind of caught me off guard,

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<v Speaker 1>and but I quickly put two and two together, and

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<v Speaker 1>like you, I could I look down the road maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred yards and I could see a blue four

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<v Speaker 1>pickup trucks sitting down there and pick up was it

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<v Speaker 1>as as a raptor rafter? Yeah? And um, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>reputation that? Like when you see someone driving a raft?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do you have like a thing like oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he like I think they have a bigger gas budget

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<v Speaker 1>than I do, just generally, probably bigger budget because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that's a cheap truck. No, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>because I was about a regular old F one fifty

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<v Speaker 1>a year ago. Yeah. Man, you should have gone raptor

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<v Speaker 1>because yeah, because it goes faster. Yeah. I like go

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<v Speaker 1>nice and slow. Yeah me too. I have no use

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<v Speaker 1>for a raptor. They both probably go equally as fast.

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<v Speaker 1>One just excel at rates. I like to accelerate slowly,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of more angry looking, more aggressive looking. Yeah, well

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<v Speaker 1>I am angry. Something that's prime for like big sticker

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<v Speaker 1>on the back window. Our buddy JA runs one. He

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<v Speaker 1>likes that truck. Yeah, loves it. Go on, big big truck. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>One of the first things he said is, I was

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<v Speaker 1>contemplating going to look at this moose. He's not much

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<v Speaker 1>damage on the raptor. I'm thinking, well, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably good. Good for your Yeah, good for the mouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not much damage on the moose either. He said

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<v Speaker 1>it was a calf um that had been hit, so

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<v Speaker 1>we went to check it out. And Uh. I had

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<v Speaker 1>one other experience, which I've told you before about with

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<v Speaker 1>picking up road kill. Buddy of mine, Jimmy and Colorado

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<v Speaker 1>once had gotten one from a herd that had been

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<v Speaker 1>demolished by I think actually a bunch of honeywagon trucks.

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<v Speaker 1>And he pulled up and they actually had a four

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<v Speaker 1>trucks carrying honey or carrying porter potties. Uh, just disposal trucks,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I ain't. The company in Veil was called

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<v Speaker 1>racking Um. Anyways, a bunch had been knocked off the

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<v Speaker 1>interstate and they actually had like a bucket truck or something.

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<v Speaker 1>There's loading elk into people's trucks and um Jimmy Miller, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Miller, who once found a buck tangled up. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you only unbail, hey, like a guy might unbail

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<v Speaker 1>hay and throws all the corriage into a pile. Wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>that what happened? Yeah, that's right. And found a buck

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<v Speaker 1>all tangled up in the corridage, you know, and went

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<v Speaker 1>down here and caught it free. And then the buck

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<v Speaker 1>trying to kick his head once he got it freed up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fell right into his plan. So there are Um. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>but back to Miller's story real quick. When we went

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<v Speaker 1>I went to his house to help him peel that

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<v Speaker 1>thing out, and it was just when we peeled out,

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<v Speaker 1>it was purple from knows the tail peeling it out

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<v Speaker 1>being a yeah, and uh so we turned as much

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<v Speaker 1>as of it as we could into dog food. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think any of it was fit for human consumption.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I was a little little leary, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>going into it. But I looked at this calf moose. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's unfortunately I much I had the moose running around.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been watching it, you know, since it was born.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the thing was probably only six to eight weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't catch that either. You were familiar with this

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<v Speaker 1>particular girl, Yeah, we had seen it maybe two days earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, I didn't know she had to she had twins.

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<v Speaker 1>This is part remember the story I told about how

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the cow elk come and cut that one

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<v Speaker 1>calf out from underneath the cow moose with the two

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<v Speaker 1>remembered it. Really, I'm sitting there watching a cow moose

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<v Speaker 1>one night with her two babies. They come up the

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<v Speaker 1>dirt road and they kind of get off on the

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<v Speaker 1>edge and they're feeding along and out like my periphery,

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<v Speaker 1>I see something running and down the hill comes the

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<v Speaker 1>cow elk, and it's getting dusky. She comes down, goes

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<v Speaker 1>right up to him and then just stands there and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of an aggressive pose, and uh, I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to make of it, you know, and the cow

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<v Speaker 1>moose just sort of pined her ears back, but like

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<v Speaker 1>became subordinate, definitely didn't stand up to this cow elk.

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<v Speaker 1>And the cow elk sort of starts chasing him a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. It's like half play but half aggressive, and

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<v Speaker 1>she sort of starts cutting between the two uh calves,

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<v Speaker 1>and again these guys are like they looked like they

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<v Speaker 1>took their first steps a week ago, you know, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's getting darker. But eventually the cow moose runs up

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<v Speaker 1>the hill with one of the calves and the cow

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<v Speaker 1>elk stayed with one of the calf. Moose pedophile kidnapping.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like that. Yeah, it was like it was

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<v Speaker 1>like in humans, you know, thought You're like, oh, she

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<v Speaker 1>must have lost her her cow elk or her cow

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<v Speaker 1>her elk calf, and now she's trying to pick up

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<v Speaker 1>another one from this moose. You know who knows. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was very odd, very odd animal behavior. Then Anthony,

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<v Speaker 1>better introduce yourself real quick, because, uh, you don't join

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<v Speaker 1>us all the time. I'm Anthony Locata. I'm editor in

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<v Speaker 1>chief here at meat Eater. There you go, olcome. Thanks, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>nice to have you first Meteator podcast. Yeah, yeah, I've been,

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<v Speaker 1>uh but you sat with us the other day. Ye

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<v Speaker 1>sat the other day, And I've been on a honey

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<v Speaker 1>collect a couple of times. But I've been working remotely

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<v Speaker 1>for the first couple of months here in the job.

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<v Speaker 1>But finally I'm here in Bozeman, so you'll be able

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<v Speaker 1>to editorialize. Yes in chief, you've been oh um, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's some history with uh, with this calf. So there

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<v Speaker 1>we are for ye and uh, it looks like the

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<v Speaker 1>calf has like a blow to the head and then

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<v Speaker 1>one of its back legs is you know, broken flopping

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<v Speaker 1>like below the knee and otherwise doesn't look messed up

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<v Speaker 1>at all. There's not a lot of blood on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Chaffs is like, literally, well, now, why did he not

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<v Speaker 1>want it? He's not a big hunter, not a big

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<v Speaker 1>wild game guy. Um. His daughter had actually witnessed it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of traumatic for her. She's I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>not quite high school age. Um. So I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want some to meat? He's like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just but just don't tell my daughter where it

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<v Speaker 1>came from, you know. Um. So I'm gonna get him

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<v Speaker 1>some meat. But yeah, that's just not his style, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not his style um eating stuff he found dead on

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<v Speaker 1>the side the road. Yeah, but I don't. I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they eat a lot of while a game

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<v Speaker 1>in that house. He's too busy welding fires. Um. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I checked it out and uh sort of uh talks

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<v Speaker 1>to Chavis about what it would take to get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of knew the steps, and I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me just call highway patrol. I think that's who

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<v Speaker 1>I called. And the Chavis kind of guy again to sort,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, build his character out a little bit. I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll call high Control and he just rattles off the number. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So I call him and the guy says, yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>really easy. Just go onto the fish and Wildlife website

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<v Speaker 1>and there's an application, fill it out and make sure

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<v Speaker 1>it's filled out and submitted within like twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Have at it, um and so we uh, I try

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<v Speaker 1>to put it into the truck as it was, it

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<v Speaker 1>was too heavy for us to just two men get

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<v Speaker 1>into the back of the truck. So I gutted it

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<v Speaker 1>right there on the median. I'm sorry the shoulder. You

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<v Speaker 1>got a good point. It seems only a few months old. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not even two months old. Huh yeah, the sweetest,

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<v Speaker 1>that's an insane amount of growth. Oh, it is too amazing, amazing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about what that cow must have to do

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<v Speaker 1>to produce those calories, to have two of them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>putting on that kind of weight. Yeah. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you're the my mental picture of your neighbor as he

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<v Speaker 1>not a small dude either, nice tough guy. Beat his ass.

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<v Speaker 1>What amazing amount of growth. So I got it right there,

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<v Speaker 1>slide the guts down off the office shoulders. Kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a steep embankment goes down into the ditch grassy area.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of we slung her in there. When did the uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I said, the permit application there online

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, thirty minutes later they sent me

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<v Speaker 1>an email and said, here's your salvage permit. Oh so

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<v Speaker 1>no physical inspection, Nope, no, no. Um. There was actually

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<v Speaker 1>a I think she was a sheriff. Maybe that rolled

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<v Speaker 1>in while we were working on it. She might have

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<v Speaker 1>been there right at the end to kind of help

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<v Speaker 1>push a little bit to get the moose in there.

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<v Speaker 1>And she didn't have much to say about it. She

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<v Speaker 1>said that good for you. Correct now the the awful,

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<v Speaker 1>the guts um with that salvage the law. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna, what are you asking about that? With the

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<v Speaker 1>alvage permit? Right, aren't you supposed to remove anything that

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<v Speaker 1>could attract other animals too? There's something to that. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the logic behind that. And you put that together.

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<v Speaker 1>They they don't want like the bears, they don't want

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<v Speaker 1>them to bear and then you got like this whole

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<v Speaker 1>vicious cycle. Yep. I was wondered. Word. I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>like they didn't want people to see a gup popper honest,

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<v Speaker 1>is just downloading salvage permits all year Long's I got

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<v Speaker 1>bear moves on spot my truck Scott like two or

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<v Speaker 1>fifty miles on it, so you know with another ding.

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<v Speaker 1>But you broke the law by leaving the gut pile there. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as I call it in the morning, and they said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>next time, you know, take the guts too, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>don't leave me on the side of the road. Otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>you're all sat man. So yeah, we let it. We

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<v Speaker 1>butchered it up that night quartered in got Luckily a

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor of mine had an empty fridge that was turned

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<v Speaker 1>on sitting in his Uh, it wasn't completely empty. He

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<v Speaker 1>has beer. Say you might have an energy efficiency chat

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<v Speaker 1>with that fella. Yeah, he's got some beer in there

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<v Speaker 1>staying cold. But we moved some things around were easily

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<v Speaker 1>able to get the whole moose in there. Yeah, let's

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<v Speaker 1>sit for a week and then butchered it the next weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, I gave you a package of the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you eat it yet? Somebody can't believe you just

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<v Speaker 1>sent me like a package. I mean, that's great, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>but just the package of ground, huh. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be fair. On the text message chain, you were like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna come help, but I'll take the tender lines. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I uh, I will admit. Also, your honest called

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<v Speaker 1>me right away and he's like, hey, if you can,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to come up and help. Did you ask

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<v Speaker 1>for help? Yeah, just with the uh just cutting it up.

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<v Speaker 1>You specifically asked for help when I said no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>just coult yeah, and I felt like trying to cut

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<v Speaker 1>me out. Hey, fill the engineer, What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>about all this? I think it's I've never had moose you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you were about to go into the taste

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<v Speaker 1>of of the ground right, yeah, just as NUIs in general.

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<v Speaker 1>The smell before we even butchered it. I gotta talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this because it was the like the sweetest, most

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<v Speaker 1>like grassy fresh cut hay, like to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like so pungent that it might turn some

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<v Speaker 1>people off. But I think once you get through the pungentness,

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<v Speaker 1>you just realize it's just like this sweet grass smell.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if it's from the eight the

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<v Speaker 1>extreme young age of the animal, or if it was

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<v Speaker 1>just his diet at that time. It was definitely hanging. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But and and that meat definitely it's nowhere near as pungent,

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<v Speaker 1>but it definitely carries that palette with it. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what you can tell me if you wanted to impress

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<v Speaker 1>the hell out of me, you tell me that you

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<v Speaker 1>drank the curdled mother's milk from its stomach. Yeah. Sorry,

0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna impress lose again. Um. Yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 1>got a I mean, I bet I didn't weigh it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I bet you we yielded um, well over a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred pounds. Are you serious? Yeah, more meat than you

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<v Speaker 1>would have gotten off a big meal in your buck.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it was you. No, it was definitely like a

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<v Speaker 1>small to medium cow elk. That's impressive. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>will take a little bit of that. Yeah, No, there's plenty.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I only threw in the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe because that's always looking at when I was getting

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<v Speaker 1>your turkey and the ground was sitting right next to it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I remember giving you some real nice uh hell

0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:44.760
<v Speaker 1>of it flas flames, choice cuts, choice cuts. I wasn't like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the guts off some salmon, Steve's choice cuts. Um good,

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<v Speaker 1>good on that quick nipple biting story. They flood in.

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<v Speaker 1>You wear this ant and they flood in. Guy guy

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting in the lake. I think it's a Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote in we had talking about other people getting

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<v Speaker 1>their nipples bit by fish um, which started out, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a woman tearing her nipple on. She wrote

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<v Speaker 1>in that she tore her nipple on a barbwar fence.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a mass and then all these nipple injuries

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<v Speaker 1>and she was in a hurry to go hunting, got

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<v Speaker 1>like some kind of she got out of some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of athletic event and was trying to get out in

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<v Speaker 1>the dove field hop the fence gas or nipple. She said.

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<v Speaker 1>Her ex husband called its scarface. She said, she's got

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<v Speaker 1>me like a fish if I gave her name, which

0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I never did, like her. Uh. And then more nipple

0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.560
<v Speaker 1>stories came in, but the most recent one is a

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<v Speaker 1>guy was he was sitting in the lake in Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 1>with his future with with who is now his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said they were doing that thing where you

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<v Speaker 1>got your elbows kind of like up on a dock.

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<v Speaker 1>You picture I'm saying, like hot tub style, Yeah, hot

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<v Speaker 1>tub style in a lake, elbows up on dock and

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<v Speaker 1>all a sudden now looks now as nipples bleeding all over.

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<v Speaker 1>What's funny is he do must not know a hell

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<v Speaker 1>of a lot about fish, because he said he thinks

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<v Speaker 1>it could have been bluegills because he had seen Here's

0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:14.960
<v Speaker 1>the story gets weird, but I believe every bit of it.

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<v Speaker 1>He had seen some guys spitting dip spitting tobacco juice

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<v Speaker 1>into the water on the same dock, and bluegills are

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<v Speaker 1>eating it. So he figures, you know what, this sound

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<v Speaker 1>looks like a good place for me, my gal to

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<v Speaker 1>go soak a minute. But know that it happened before. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand he's aware that there's so he's I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like a bluegill. But a blue guild does not draw blood.

0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.840
<v Speaker 1>A blue guild does not bite your nipple and draw blood.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's got to be a kind of a b

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<v Speaker 1>test go It's like, well, we are blue gill more

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive with a healthy dose and nicotine. Oh that's a

0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:57.720
<v Speaker 1>good point. Maybe they get so jacked up. I'm but

0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I think that that, yeah, there's blue was around. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a north around Northern Pike, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>the Northern Pike gashed his nipple. But the takeaway is

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<v Speaker 1>he suggested that you'd make a fish and luard to

0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:15.400
<v Speaker 1>look like a nipple and smelled like chew nipples look

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<v Speaker 1>like bait. They just do. Yeah, they do have a

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<v Speaker 1>bait like appearance. Man. I had to cist cut out

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<v Speaker 1>of my head, a sebaceous sits or whatever you call it,

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<v Speaker 1>like it was like on top. It was on top

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<v Speaker 1>of my like you don't want to sist in your skull,

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<v Speaker 1>between the skin and the skull, like a not scary one.

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<v Speaker 1>They cut it out and I had some little hairs

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<v Speaker 1>growing out of it still, and I kept it. I

0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:36.880
<v Speaker 1>asked me if I could have it, and I kept

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<v Speaker 1>it in this jar alcohol. It's about the size of

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<v Speaker 1>the end of your pinky. And I'd get to drinking

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<v Speaker 1>and get that thing out and tell people how I

0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:46.680
<v Speaker 1>was gonna catch a perch off that thing, and it

0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:50.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of overtime dissolved. That's too bad, and I never

0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:53.320
<v Speaker 1>got to never got to fulfill my my was back,

0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:54.679
<v Speaker 1>and I used to like to drink a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>than I do now. I still like to have a

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<v Speaker 1>little drinking on him, but it never goes so far

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<v Speaker 1>that I get out my cist and started, I don't

0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:05.720
<v Speaker 1>get off with sist anymore ts and rolled it in

0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:10.320
<v Speaker 1>some glitter A truth ain't no youth, So does that

0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 1>guy rode in? Um oh, and Anthony talked about the

0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:18.720
<v Speaker 1>thing that you were going to talk about real quick. Bigfoot. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite subjects. Right. Uh So we have

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<v Speaker 1>this great report from the proceedings of the Royal Society,

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<v Speaker 1>some organization and uh great Britain, and their mission here

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<v Speaker 1>was to take all these samples of hair that have

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<v Speaker 1>been collected over the years that for one reason or

0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:42.680
<v Speaker 1>another I have been identified as possible bigfoot here, bigfoot

0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:46.000
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch yettie, you know, depending because they're all over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So setting it up here that I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>really important. What I found was a very interesting point.

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<v Speaker 1>They kind of lay out the theories of what these

0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:57.800
<v Speaker 1>creatures could be. Right, They could be some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>um remaining population of some sort of humanoid you know,

0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:06.800
<v Speaker 1>chro magnet, not that exactly, but something like that. Um.

0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:10.080
<v Speaker 1>They could be some species of extinct ape. But here's

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.840
<v Speaker 1>the one that I had never heard. One theory is

0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 1>that they are hybreds between humans and some mammal, which

0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I heard that one by, Like, I like that. I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to know what kind of other mammal human

0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 1>could The bear comes by and it looks kind of

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:38.439
<v Speaker 1>like uh so, I thought that was pretty fascinating. I

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.080
<v Speaker 1>like to think about that theory. Maybe it's changing my mind.

0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.159
<v Speaker 1>Um yeah, that one doesn't get thrown out. The one

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:47.360
<v Speaker 1>that gets thrown out is it's like uh like the

0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I think the lead one is that it's some other

0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 1>primate exactly hiding out exactly some primate that that is unknown,

0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:58.879
<v Speaker 1>or one of those other things. So they had fifty

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:00.960
<v Speaker 1>seven samples of hair kind of up to real quick,

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<v Speaker 1>please no, you know, I'll do it as a follow up,

0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, fifty seven samples hair. For one reason or another,

0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:11.080
<v Speaker 1>someone were kicked out some of carpet fiber, stupid stuff

0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:13.760
<v Speaker 1>like that. So but they're left. There was a there

0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.560
<v Speaker 1>was a bigfoot sample that turned out to be carpet fiber, right,

0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:20.439
<v Speaker 1>plastic fiber. They think it was carpet fiber. Right, So

0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:25.480
<v Speaker 1>they end up with thirty seven and use genetic testing

0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and all these other scientific methods to identify what they are.

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 1>And these these things came from Russia, from Arizona, from Washington, Texas, Oregon, India.

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.879
<v Speaker 1>Turns out they're all animals we know and well, polar bear,

0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:46.400
<v Speaker 1>brown bear, horses, cows, black bears, a lot of black bears, raccoons.

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:49.480
<v Speaker 1>One of the samples came from a human, so it

0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:52.919
<v Speaker 1>must have been somebody with very glorious locks, bigfoot like locks.

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Maybe somebody with dreads. I don't know, um porcupine save

0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:02.119
<v Speaker 1>dirts back and probably get dude if I saw if

0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't with dirt, I saw him coming through the

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<v Speaker 1>was that shoot? It's real. Yeah, coyotes, cows, dogs, wolves,

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>but alas, not a single big foot. It sounds like

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:19.960
<v Speaker 1>a conspiracy. Not one freaking big foot in the whole

0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:22.880
<v Speaker 1>stack of hair sample. No, not one big foot. They had.

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<v Speaker 1>They had three that they at first couldn't identify, and

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:29.440
<v Speaker 1>they were thinking maybe it was like a highbread between

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<v Speaker 1>a grizzly and a polar bear. But it turns out

0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 1>they were just polar bear hairs as well. You know

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:38.040
<v Speaker 1>what the good part about this is what this will

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:43.560
<v Speaker 1>not change anyone's no no like big big foot. Dude

0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:46.119
<v Speaker 1>is gonna be like, ah, never mind, I guess they're right.

0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:49.240
<v Speaker 1>There is no big foot. There's no there's somebody staring

0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.720
<v Speaker 1>in their shoe box right now, being like, yeah, but

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:55.879
<v Speaker 1>they haven't seen that. They have to see what I

0:25:55.960 --> 0:26:02.480
<v Speaker 1>found bag in my yard. Uh, guy rode in um

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:05.520
<v Speaker 1>tell about his dad was going to buy a motorcycle

0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 1>and their lording down the trailer and one thing leaves

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:12.200
<v Speaker 1>you another and uh, one thing leaves you another. Any

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 1>in the trailer shifts? No, the I don't know he's

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 1>lowing a motorcycle into a trailer. One thing leads another

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:24.080
<v Speaker 1>and his finger comes off his His ring finger on

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:28.639
<v Speaker 1>his right hand was severed between the distal interphilangeal joint

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 1>and the proximal inter philangeal joint. And the dude he

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:35.439
<v Speaker 1>was buying the motorcycle off of his dog ate it

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 1>and he wants to know. Um, he doesn't. He's doing

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:44.879
<v Speaker 1>more than just telling the story. He's like, this happened

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>to you. What feelings did you have towards the dog

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 1>partial ownership? Would you be piste? He says, Um if

0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 1>someone later told me that man, had you just grabbed

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.439
<v Speaker 1>that before that dog ate it, we could have just

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:05.160
<v Speaker 1>reattached it and you wouldn't have it. Now I would

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>be pissed. Could you get that? Can you make that

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>dog puke, or get it out of its stomach and

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.680
<v Speaker 1>put it on. That'd be even better. My brother's dog

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Shifty ate it. You could have killed Shifty and cut

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 1>it open and that dog would have been fine. The

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:20.959
<v Speaker 1>finger would have been fine, because that dog eats stuff

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>and doesn't chew it. You can give it a big

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>strip like whatever. The other day I had, I gave

0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:28.880
<v Speaker 1>it a we we were out hunting and we had

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 1>some smoke Canada goosebreast, and the dog was like dying,

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.159
<v Speaker 1>you could tell as hungry as I'll get out. And

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:38.399
<v Speaker 1>I peeled away the skin off of smoke goosebreast and

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:43.119
<v Speaker 1>it like, I didn't even pretend to chew it. It

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 1>just gone, not even one chew. When I was a kid,

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 1>I had a lab that I was eating a popsicle

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>right yeah, and I said it too low. Lab came

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>out boom gone. Two days later, popsicle stick came out.

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Strip stripped soccer right off at though as looking at

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>like you could like you could use it again, or

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:06.119
<v Speaker 1>use it for a craft project, send it back in

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 1>for a refill. Another guy real quick, um. Another guy

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>rolled in. He's talking about like eating his own dog.

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Would you eat your dog? Say, if my dog died,

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about eating it. He said, when he

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 1>factors all the expenses he's got into that dog, he

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:29.400
<v Speaker 1>said that that dog, the meat would be two seventy

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 1>dollars a pound. I don't know why he just sent

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 1>that in. No one's interested in that. Well, you beating dog?

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 1>How it tastes? Right? I didn't like it. Yeah, I

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>didn't like it one bit. Okay, one last thing. No

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 1>one's interested in that story. I thought I was good. Uh.

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>We had talked about, you know what we're doing. We

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 1>we had Jason Phelps from Phelps Game Calls, that's right

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 1>as Buddy Dirk, and we got we got to pondering

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 1>who like kind of in vent of the diaphragm call,

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 1>and a listener sent in a little clue. Yeah, we

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 1>were guessing like fifties sixties from you know some of

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 1>the names we kind of know that are still alive,

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 1>like it must have been Will Primos. Yeah, Carlton, and

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the guy rolled in with a clue. Yep, he says.

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:23.480
<v Speaker 1>In the n w t F Museum, which I've been in, Yeah,

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to go sometime stands for National Wild Turkey Federation.

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>There is a display showing a patent from February five,

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixties seven, submitted by S. McClane for the first

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 1>patent for a diaphragm type mouth call US Patent number

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 1>sixty one thousand, four eighty six. And there it looks

0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 1>like a current diaphragm. Yeah, that's the that's the crazy

0:29:56.200 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>like takeaway is that the it's really nothing different from

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>what I've seen his little diagram from what we put

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 1>in our mouths now to make Alcolm Turkey seven what

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>year did he do the patent? Eighteen sixty seven? One year,

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>one year after the Fetterman massacre. Well, I mean just

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 1>that's a brutal massacre story. Everything that was going on

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>in the US, Like it just kind of goes to

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 1>show you that, Uh, sometimes it doesn't slow down hunting

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 1>and fishing, because especially especially yeah, like what do you

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>hear a hunt story from ninety three, Like shouldn't you

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 1>been off fighting the war? Yeah? What U eighteen sixty seven?

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Especially if it's anywhere near where the NWTF Museum is located,

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 1>which obviously it has, Like shouldn't you been just coming

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 1>rolling out of the Civil War? Yeah, it's like fire boys,

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 1>I got an idea. Have you ever heard this gap?

0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:59.719
<v Speaker 1>That's what the rebel yelled. Since you mentioned it, can

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>you of us a quick synopsis of the Fetterman Oh,

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't call it. It's it's euro it's eurocentric. To

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 1>called the Fetterman massacre. I take that back, be the

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Fetterman fight. It wasn't Wyoming the UM. I believe it

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>was a Sioux they had. There was a military fort

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 1>that was, you know, very much imposing on their traditional lands,

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>trying to you know, telling the way that would be.

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm leading so heavy into this. There's a military fort

0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>and there's like a contest of the whole West is

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 1>in contention. Who owns the West? Yeah? Well, the U. S.

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Military sets up this fort, which would be like an outpost.

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah in the brass the top brass is like, hey, man,

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 1>no matter what, don't go over the top of that hill.

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 1>And and you know, don't like, don't do it. But anyways,

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 1>there's some uh, some you guys right up on top

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 1>of the hill and they're like, hey, screw you or whatever,

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and then they runoff over the back of the hill.

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>And Fetterman could be getting parts this round, but the

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 1>most of them not fetterman like gets the bright idea

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>to chase after him over the top of the hill,

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 1>and him and all of the boys vanished over the

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 1>top of the hill and never come back. And they

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 1>eventually wander up there, and I don't know how many

0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>him or all in there, And he was the one.

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I wish I had the quote exactly, but he was

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>very confident and he said with his force he could

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 1>ride through the whole student nation, and that he couldn't

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>make it over that couldn't make it. And Crazy Horse

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 1>was very involved in that battle. But he was one

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 1>of the the ones who did the planning to set

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 1>up that ambush and was one of the sort of

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 1>decoys who came out and let everybody back in. And

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 1>it was a multi day thing, right, Like this part

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 1>of it, this part of it was astonishingly quick, I think,

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 1>really because I thought they had shown up on that hill.

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:56.240
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, yeah, the the actual yeah, there was

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:58.239
<v Speaker 1>like there was some preceding stuff and they had been

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 1>taunting them and torment them, and some I went out

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>to cut wood, I think, and they killed a couple

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 1>of the guys that went out to cut wood, and

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 1>one thing led another. But when the main thing happened

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 1>was a very well laid trap. Yeah, yeah, we hand

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>to hand fighting. Drove out Ben and I been on

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Brian and I drove out to that Vortex Extreme which

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 1>is in was outside of Douglas, Wyoming this year, and

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 1>so there's a lot of Fetterman stuff out there. So

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 1>I was relaying the story of the bound So I

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>was just trying to fight of his men. Oh yeah,

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>he talked to like any of your Wyoming buddies. It's

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 1>so funny because I love that stuff, and like you

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 1>can just see like eyes rolled back in people's heads.

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Like every single year growing up in Wyoming, you gotta

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 1>go out to Fort Federman. I would love it. Uh,

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>why are we talking about that? Oh? He brought up

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 1>the Fetterman man. It was at McClean year after. I

0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 1>just have certain bench. Did this guy get rich off

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 1>his game call patent? I mean he should have been

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 1>born about a hundred years later. I think, huh yeah.

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:11.799
<v Speaker 1>A quick internet starch did not reveal any more information.

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I do find it humorous here thought of that being

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:20.399
<v Speaker 1>the rebel Yell. Can imagine eight dudes from across Yeah,

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>go to the w go to the n WTF convention.

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:28.760
<v Speaker 1>What people silence blowing turkey calls song like probably rattle somebody,

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh check this out, Watch this transition, watch this pivot.

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:42.240
<v Speaker 1>So uh Fetterman right, that was part of the Sioux War. Okay,

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 1>and some of the participants at the Sioux War. You

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 1>guys tracking stay with some of the participants at the

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Sioux some of the participants at the Fetterman fight. We're

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>involved in the battle a Little Big Horn. At the

0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:03.239
<v Speaker 1>battle a Little Big Horn, one thing survived. Captain Keo's

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 1>horse Comanche had like bullet holes arrow holes in it,

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 1>but lift Captain Keo was one of I think two

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 1>people whose bodies were not mutilated after the Little Big

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Horn battle. One because he's under a pile of dead horses,

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:24.839
<v Speaker 1>and that they it seems like they may didn't find

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:28.240
<v Speaker 1>him down there and mutilate him. And Kio was unmutilated.

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:33.720
<v Speaker 1>And Kio had some like Catholic some like Roman Catholic

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:37.360
<v Speaker 1>clan type thing around his neck, some piece of jewelry

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 1>around his neck, and is a theory is that they

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 1>saw that and and I wondered if he was like

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 1>a religious figure or something, and perhaps didn't mutilate Keyo.

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 1>And during the punitive expeditions. Uh, when we came out

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 1>to them enact vengeance on the tribes that were involved

0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 1>in the in the Custer Fight. We set up a

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:06.360
<v Speaker 1>military fort in present day Miles City and they bestowed

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:10.479
<v Speaker 1>upon that fort the name Captain Kia or Fort Kyo,

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 1>which brings up the Fort Kyo Gate situation, the Fort

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Kyo fight, the Four Kyo fight. Well done, Yeah, that

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 1>was like well done. You want to talk about some

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>phenomenal hosting? Is there no bill prize and host I

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 1>was gonna ask, is there an awards? Is there like

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:36.359
<v Speaker 1>a Pulitzer and hosting? Yes? Um Pulzer prize for hosting? Uh, cal,

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, you're supposed to be all up speed on this. Yeah.

0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 1>So uh interesting situation. There is a lonely but well

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>used or was well used at one point. Um boat

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 1>ramp river access Um that is actually on U. S.

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 1>D A property which is part of Is it an

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>experimental station out there? Is that? What? Yeah, it's a

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 1>research facility called for Kyo for Kyo Research Facility. Um,

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:08.439
<v Speaker 1>they're right out outside of Myle City. But um, yeah,

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:10.440
<v Speaker 1>they do a bunch of great work, man, I mean

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>they work, They do a lot of they do cattle work,

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>they genetic work, range range land stuff, invasive plants. There's

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 1>a lot of valuable work comes out of Fort Key

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:22.799
<v Speaker 1>full ecosystem focus really I mean really neat stuff even

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 1>like I know that there's research that comes out of

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:27.200
<v Speaker 1>there too. And you having to do with after a

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:32.800
<v Speaker 1>coal mining operation, Um, best best ways to re establish

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:36.360
<v Speaker 1>shrubs and forbes and things when when you're in the

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 1>remediation process, so like you know, clean up stuff afterwards,

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 1>not clean up, but getting robust plant ecosystems back in

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:49.320
<v Speaker 1>shape and disturb ecosystems. Yeah, and and ecosystem not like monoculture.

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:53.359
<v Speaker 1>Uh tons of work range land, rangeland cattle and what

0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:58.320
<v Speaker 1>cattle e yeah yeah um and uh yeah. So anyway,

0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 1>there used to be uh you know, general public access

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:06.320
<v Speaker 1>to this boat ramp. Then a couple of bad apples

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 1>spoiled that access by um doing what every Eastern Montana

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:13.319
<v Speaker 1>kid knows not to do, which is go out and

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 1>drive around after it rains out there in the hot

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 1>dog and around egg fields, tore up egg fields, tore

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:22.759
<v Speaker 1>up the road. Um, and you know, as a lot

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 1>of folks would do. They said, well enough of this

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and they closed it off and then uh, a handful

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:33.759
<v Speaker 1>of groups got together while I unlimited, um general maybe

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:38.760
<v Speaker 1>there's a general sportsman's group for Miles City. Uh, the community,

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:41.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot of community members, community members, a lot of

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 1>businesses within Miles City. Uh, backcountry hunters and anglers all

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>got together. They raised a little over ten grand I

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 1>believe too, for these very specific purpose of getting this

0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:01.719
<v Speaker 1>river access open to the public on by finding a

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:06.240
<v Speaker 1>middle ground of installing a key code gate. So there's

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:10.959
<v Speaker 1>some accountability for folks using the access because you would

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 1>have to call in get a code, probably provide your

0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:18.920
<v Speaker 1>license plate number als you're you know, fishing license number

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 1>or something like that, and uh, everything was good to go. Yeah,

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:25.879
<v Speaker 1>and this is uh did you cover this? I feel

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 1>like you did that. There's not a lot of reliable Um,

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:31.439
<v Speaker 1>there's not much reliable river access in this area because

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 1>the river fluctuates. Yes, it's a it's a wildly fluctuating

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 1>water level. Yeah, and so there's oftentimes not a good

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:43.680
<v Speaker 1>place to launch. And this is like one that's like always,

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:45.839
<v Speaker 1>no matter what the river is doing, you can launch here. Yeah.

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 1>And I want to say there's like seventy plus you

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>gotta go about seventy miles give or take to the

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:56.719
<v Speaker 1>next like very reliable access unless you use this kind

0:39:56.760 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 1>of below water mark access with which is like kind

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 1>of the legal exactly. So um, it's always better to

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 1>have these established things. It's just better for for everything

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 1>centralizes the human impact on areas. So um, everything was

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 1>going around well, and then the U s d A

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 1>came to the conclusion that this that it had to

0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:27.440
<v Speaker 1>be done through slightly different means, and it really slowed

0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the process down. So you meanwhile, people have spent a

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of money specifically to address the problem, and they

0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:37.279
<v Speaker 1>had the goal line like right there, it's like this

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.759
<v Speaker 1>is going to be done by this date, and we

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 1>have this money very specifically. It's not just going to

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 1>this general pot, it's going to this very specific thing

0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 1>that everybody wants and everybody's behind it. And here's this

0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:51.759
<v Speaker 1>date coming down the road, and you know, government just

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't move that fast. Um. And so they're trying to

0:40:56.960 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 1>get basically an easement through U s d A land

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 1>that I believe Montana Fishing Game would then be in

0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 1>charge of that ease month and people trying to work

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:12.800
<v Speaker 1>through sort of a legal process by which this could happen,

0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 1>and this donated money you could get put to the purpose.

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:18.480
<v Speaker 1>But as you can imagine, if you're Joe Walleye or

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 1>definitely Joe Ducker goose Hunter and the seasons coming down

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:28.440
<v Speaker 1>the pipe, and you were all fired up about this

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:30.640
<v Speaker 1>access and you probably pitched a couple of bucks in

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.239
<v Speaker 1>the pot at a point night or something. Now you're

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 1>starting to get pretty piste and fingers are starting to

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 1>get pointed, and um so, what would be very very

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:45.480
<v Speaker 1>helpful if you like to recreate UH in a smart

0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:48.160
<v Speaker 1>state like the state of Montana that has awesome water

0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:52.720
<v Speaker 1>access laws, I would be very helpful if you contacted

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 1>your duly elected officials or you know, if you happen

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:59.800
<v Speaker 1>to know a guy who looks like or knows Sonny Perdue,

0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 1>or or if you know Sonny Perdue, you may want

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:03.880
<v Speaker 1>to give him a call. That would be extremely helpful.

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Um Here in the state of Montana, if you got

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 1>a hold of Steve Danes, UH Senator tester or Greg

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:16.360
<v Speaker 1>gene Forte and so the senators testers Senators Tester and

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:20.879
<v Speaker 1>Danes Representative Greg gene Forte and asked him to try

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:25.319
<v Speaker 1>to help work with h f w P. Your Montana, Fish,

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Wildlife and Parks in the U. S d A r

0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 1>S Regional Planes Office in Fort Collins, Colorado, try very

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 1>helpful to try to navigate this thing and figure out

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:37.719
<v Speaker 1>something that's gonna work for everybody. And this is all

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 1>like a very positive thing, is just moving slow and

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 1>and um, we got a lot of really good intention

0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 1>folks with their money tied up. Yeah, it's not like

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:49.319
<v Speaker 1>there's not like a bad guy, and it's just a

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 1>matter of you know, you gotta have mechanisms in place

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:53.280
<v Speaker 1>to do this kind of stuff. And I think that

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 1>at this point it just seems like a little bit

0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 1>of political muscle would go a long way and helping

0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.800
<v Speaker 1>grease this up. Because again, man, you get people to

0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:01.719
<v Speaker 1>come together with like this real common calls, like who

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 1>can argue with you know, the importance of good river access. Man,

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Like people came in and pitched in the money, and

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:08.839
<v Speaker 1>it's just kind of a shame to have that pot

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.400
<v Speaker 1>of money sitting there. Yeah. And and again, like anybody

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 1>who's built anything, like you know, eventually you hit a

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:21.439
<v Speaker 1>few speed bumps that slows down that finished construction date. Um,

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 1>and that's really what's happening here. So but phone calls, emails. Um,

0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:31.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, and again, if you know some folks who

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:34.239
<v Speaker 1>know the folks, UM, don't be afraid to give them

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 1>a shout. It's a real good deal. Oh yeah, you know.

0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 1>There's one more thing you can do if you go

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 1>to www dot Backcountry hunters dot org forward slash open

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 1>for Kyo and uh. I guess it's important to note

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 1>that Kyo has spelled k e O g h Um.

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 1>There's a bunch of good information on the whole story

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 1>that I just told you, and I think it'll leaven

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 1>give you us some outreach options, ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Calahan,

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh if you want more from Cal Cal's Weeken Review. Yeah,

0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:11.879
<v Speaker 1>just the only good thing on the internet, it's the

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:13.960
<v Speaker 1>only thing on the Internet that is of any value,

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 1>is Cal's Weeken Review. It's now being used in school curriculums,

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Is that right, Cal, Yeah, we got I would honestly,

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I would love love, love love if the person who

0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:33.840
<v Speaker 1>wrote the iTunes review for Cal's Weeken Review, what that

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:38.839
<v Speaker 1>says you are making this mandatory listening for your high

0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 1>school science class out to me? Yeah. Cal's Weeking Review

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:47.080
<v Speaker 1>is a weekly roundup of wildlife and science news. It's

0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 1>fun and hopefully you learn some good things to kids

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:53.360
<v Speaker 1>love it because it's got good sound effects. Yeah, Coty

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 1>of Phil fills the sound of the engineer. Okay, next

0:44:57.640 --> 0:44:59.400
<v Speaker 1>time we have to talk about is I got Um?

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.000
<v Speaker 1>If you if you came to me and said, who's

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:10.360
<v Speaker 1>the person you would who's the person that you would

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 1>uh least want to be unhappy with you? I would say,

0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:24.600
<v Speaker 1>like the Massad, he's really Massad. And then I'd say

0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Doug durn if it was personal, that's like what I

0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 1>would like like that would be the order. I want

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:33.239
<v Speaker 1>to know where I fall on the list. Oh you've

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:38.439
<v Speaker 1>been mad at me before, haven't you? Yeah? I would

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:40.600
<v Speaker 1>if someone told if I came in to where someone

0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:42.560
<v Speaker 1>like Yanni's Maddie, I'd be like, I'll talk to him.

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 1>What could be? Uh yeah, I wouldn't be like worried

0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:47.320
<v Speaker 1>about it. I feel like we'd get through it. Yeah,

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:51.520
<v Speaker 1>for sure. Um, Doug's all mad at me because we

0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 1>were talking to and we're doing something we don't normally do.

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Is Doug dug Duran has joined us by phone? Um

0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.880
<v Speaker 1>we kind of ambushed him. We we were talking to

0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:05.719
<v Speaker 1>some guys, some q d M A on a on

0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:08.439
<v Speaker 1>a recent episode I think it's called the episodes called

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Managing Bambi. We were talking about a lot of stuff

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:15.000
<v Speaker 1>around whitetail deer. Um oh, because it's kind of a

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 1>crash course in all things white tail deer in the

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>news and whatnot. And I made a mistake. I made

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:24.440
<v Speaker 1>a regrettable. I made a regrettable. I was, you know,

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:25.960
<v Speaker 1>when you're trying to make a point now and then

0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and you kind of oversell the point. There should be

0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 1>word for that. I remember Limbaugh would rush Limbaugh what

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 1>once said something it's not quite it. He said, like

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:41.359
<v Speaker 1>demonstrating absurdity by being absurd, meaning you like when you're

0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:44.800
<v Speaker 1>like arguing, you float some like intentionally like absurd point

0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:49.759
<v Speaker 1>as a rhetorical strategy. And I had said how and

0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I somehow we got on c w D chronic wasting disease,

0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:56.600
<v Speaker 1>which is very serious, and I made some I made

0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:58.839
<v Speaker 1>a comment that I regret. It was like it didn't

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:00.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't capture my sense. Meant, I made a comment I

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 1>regret where I said the only thing I'm worried about

0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 1>was c w DS, that someone would catch it, that

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:10.359
<v Speaker 1>it would jump the species barrier. And I had said

0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:12.279
<v Speaker 1>some stupid thing like, oh, there's all kinds of stuff

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.239
<v Speaker 1>that there's all kinds of stuff that kills deer, so

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 1>who cares, It's just one more thing that kills deer.

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:18.080
<v Speaker 1>And what the point I was trying to make and

0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:20.279
<v Speaker 1>I didn't make it? Well, the point I was trying

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:21.520
<v Speaker 1>to make it, I guess it's like it was that

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:24.920
<v Speaker 1>I was saying. The thing that really really scares me,

0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 1>The thing that really really scares me is that hunters

0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:37.640
<v Speaker 1>um would contract chronic wasting and disease from eating dear meat.

0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Like that is extremely scary to me. And somehow some

0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:43.759
<v Speaker 1>people interpreted that to be that I don't take c

0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:46.239
<v Speaker 1>w D seriously or I don't think it's a serious thing,

0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:50.239
<v Speaker 1>or I'm somehow not concerned about it. It's like, that's

0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:55.520
<v Speaker 1>definitely not true. But the thing that most scares me,

0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the thing that most scares me, was that dear meat

0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 1>would somehow be determined to be or it would become

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:13.960
<v Speaker 1>um essentially inedible from infected animals that super like that, Like,

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:16.879
<v Speaker 1>I feel that you could hold that belief and my

0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:19.239
<v Speaker 1>my feelings on CRD are more complicated than that, but

0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 1>you could hold that belief and use just that as

0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:25.879
<v Speaker 1>a thing for all the reason in the world why

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:30.799
<v Speaker 1>we should be researching, fighting, stopping prevention of So I

0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:32.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know how that got taken to be like, I'm

0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:36.320
<v Speaker 1>like light on my concerns about c w D. But Doug,

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:41.120
<v Speaker 1>who's joining us here? Doug explained to me, like, let's

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:47.759
<v Speaker 1>say God came down and said, I hereby declare that

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:51.680
<v Speaker 1>humans cannot get c w D. I've designed this disease

0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:59.240
<v Speaker 1>to be uh incapable of infecting a human. Why would

0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:04.359
<v Speaker 1>people Why if you knew that to be true, why

0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 1>does c w D matter? Well, first of all, I'd

0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:14.319
<v Speaker 1>like to say that, Um, if I was to make

0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:16.480
<v Speaker 1>a list of people who were upset with that, I

0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:18.480
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't want mad at me. The first one would be

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:21.720
<v Speaker 1>my wife and the second one would be Steve or Ellis.

0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:27.080
<v Speaker 1>So I guess, yeah, don't kill you well, thinking not

0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:33.839
<v Speaker 1>my life. UM. So to answer your question, the UM,

0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:36.920
<v Speaker 1>you know there's and you know the other thing that

0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:39.359
<v Speaker 1>is that there's all kinds of stuff that that killed deer,

0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:42.280
<v Speaker 1>and that is very true, and all of the different

0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:46.160
<v Speaker 1>diseases that killed deer. UM don't do it in a

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:48.880
<v Speaker 1>pretty way. UM h D doesn't kill them in a

0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:51.359
<v Speaker 1>pretty way. It kills them click. C w D doesn't

0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:53.239
<v Speaker 1>kill them in you know, there's no pretty way of

0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:58.279
<v Speaker 1>deer dying. So it's beyond that. C w D UM

0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:02.720
<v Speaker 1>has a has an impact on the resource that isn't

0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:07.880
<v Speaker 1>UM just short term, because it persists in the environment,

0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:11.560
<v Speaker 1>because it persists within the herd. Once you have it,

0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 1>essentially don't get rid of it. So UM that then

0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:20.399
<v Speaker 1>goes on too. If you don't have it, you don't

0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:22.719
<v Speaker 1>want it in your area. Yeah, it's not like like

0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.440
<v Speaker 1>meaning like e h D or what you know people

0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:28.680
<v Speaker 1>call sometimes refer to as blue tongue, like it passes through.

0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:32.520
<v Speaker 1>It passes through, do you get sick and do you die?

0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:34.160
<v Speaker 1>It goes away and then maybe you don't see it

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:38.000
<v Speaker 1>again for twenty years, right, And it's all dependent on

0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:40.360
<v Speaker 1>whether and that midge and drought and all of that.

0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:43.400
<v Speaker 1>And interestingly, one of the things that I've learned recently

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:47.239
<v Speaker 1>about e h D was that there were deer that

0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:51.920
<v Speaker 1>we're taken from northern climates and taken to um Texas

0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:55.919
<v Speaker 1>and places like that for breeding purposes, and those deer

0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:59.640
<v Speaker 1>were insured UM their lives were insured, you know, like

0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:03.799
<v Speaker 1>loads of London or some a insurance company like that,

0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:07.480
<v Speaker 1>and they would take those deer too, um, someplace like

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Texas where they didn't really have a problem with the

0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:12.279
<v Speaker 1>HD because the deer had developed an immunity to it.

0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Over time, they take these bucks down there for breeding purposes,

0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:19.279
<v Speaker 1>they get the h D and die and then they

0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:22.360
<v Speaker 1>were collecting on the insurance policy. And now they don't

0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:25.719
<v Speaker 1>insure dear anymore. But of course what also has changed

0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:29.560
<v Speaker 1>is they now take those dear two um a breeding

0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:33.080
<v Speaker 1>facility in a little tube. Um. They actually take semen

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:35.480
<v Speaker 1>there um now, so that's one of the things that

0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:37.880
<v Speaker 1>they've learned in that. So that's that is a big difference.

0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:40.920
<v Speaker 1>That the h D dies out and then if the

0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:44.120
<v Speaker 1>conditions have to be right for it again to appear

0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:48.279
<v Speaker 1>again a drought condition. And actually, Spencer really really good

0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:51.719
<v Speaker 1>of summary about HD the other day that I read

0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:54.239
<v Speaker 1>on website that I thought was really good. Yeah at

0:51:54.239 --> 0:51:59.359
<v Speaker 1>the media or dot com ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. Um,

0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:02.080
<v Speaker 1>So that's the biggest thing. Once you have it, you

0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:05.400
<v Speaker 1>have it so then um, and then it's going to

0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 1>well then and then can have an impact on the

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:13.000
<v Speaker 1>resource for both in the short and long term. Umsults

0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:16.600
<v Speaker 1>of me here UM prevalence in bucks, and we talked

0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:19.080
<v Speaker 1>about this on that with the two m guys. That

0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:21.759
<v Speaker 1>prevalence has gotten real high assault of us. We have

0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:26.080
<v Speaker 1>all the prevalence in the box. Um one of the

0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:28.520
<v Speaker 1>landowners down there who has reached out to me and

0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I've spent some time with all his land for to

0:52:31.400 --> 0:52:34.320
<v Speaker 1>manage for big Bucks and and and balance hurt and

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:40.719
<v Speaker 1>all those QTM ideas UM, and his essentially stays not.

0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:44.360
<v Speaker 1>We don't see big Box anywhere. They don't get UM

0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:49.799
<v Speaker 1>of the of the box on the ground at one

0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:52.160
<v Speaker 1>given time are infective with c w D, which is

0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:58.759
<v Speaker 1>always fatal. That are always that is always fatal. Prevalence

0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:01.440
<v Speaker 1>is of course based on the data that they have

0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:04.759
<v Speaker 1>and the number of tests, and they're able to extrapolate

0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:10.480
<v Speaker 1>all these numbers. UM, that prevalence is that box an

0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:14.759
<v Speaker 1>adult does. UM, it's less both in yearling bucks in

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:18.000
<v Speaker 1>arling does. But it's even shown up uh down there

0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:20.759
<v Speaker 1>in phones as well. So if all these fatal to

0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:23.480
<v Speaker 1>zero disease that's going to kill that deer in two

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:26.919
<v Speaker 1>years or something related to that disease, you know, it's

0:53:26.960 --> 0:53:31.000
<v Speaker 1>like it's sort of like um, oh cancer or you know,

0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:33.359
<v Speaker 1>any any other kind of thing you get, you get

0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:37.160
<v Speaker 1>stick from it, and you're as your immunity system, your

0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:39.399
<v Speaker 1>body becomes weaker and end up dying. Maybe you don't

0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:42.200
<v Speaker 1>die of cancer, or you don't die you don't die

0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:45.440
<v Speaker 1>of lung cancer as a smoker, but you die of

0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:49.960
<v Speaker 1>of uh you know something else that pneumonia commune system

0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and your body pneumonia exactly. And that's actually what a

0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:56.080
<v Speaker 1>fair number of deer um with c w D die

0:53:56.120 --> 0:54:03.120
<v Speaker 1>from is things like pneumonia, um uh, you know, um

0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:06.759
<v Speaker 1>choking on their own um, you know, spit, vomit, things

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:09.440
<v Speaker 1>that are not vomit but their own bodily fluids, that

0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:12.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing, because they don't have that ability to

0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:15.680
<v Speaker 1>to do it anymore. So that idea that well deer aren't.

0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:20.480
<v Speaker 1>But that dear didn't die a CD. It got um it.

0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:23.520
<v Speaker 1>It's died in pneumonia or you know, it's it it

0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:27.640
<v Speaker 1>got killed by a predatory more easily because it's a

0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:31.319
<v Speaker 1>defense system is down't or because of what it does

0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:35.320
<v Speaker 1>to their brain. They have walked, you know, maybe walking

0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:37.200
<v Speaker 1>out on the highland moor or something like that. So

0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:40.480
<v Speaker 1>there's all the number of things that both sickness is

0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:43.240
<v Speaker 1>and other things that can happen UM as a result.

0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:47.920
<v Speaker 1>So if you wound up, go ahead, But because that

0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:50.680
<v Speaker 1>deal thinks, but because that deer is going to die

0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:53.960
<v Speaker 1>of the disease within two years, imagine a year old

0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:58.120
<v Speaker 1>or a year link bocker of another buck, he's not

0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:01.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna make it to be uh, he's not gonna make

0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:03.440
<v Speaker 1>it to be a three year old deer. And that's

0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:06.440
<v Speaker 1>what we're starting to see now. So even though in

0:55:06.480 --> 0:55:09.640
<v Speaker 1>our area they predicted or saltum here of the endemic

0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:13.680
<v Speaker 1>area when they predicted that um seventeen years ago, may

0:55:13.719 --> 0:55:16.120
<v Speaker 1>being the Department Natural Resources and some of the other

0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:18.040
<v Speaker 1>efforts that this is going to have a huge impact

0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:19.960
<v Speaker 1>on the deer. Our deer population is still going out.

0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:24.280
<v Speaker 1>But what's happened because we just have such a great

0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:28.080
<v Speaker 1>place for growing deer that the models didn't maybe take

0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:31.480
<v Speaker 1>that into consideration. But what is happening is trending to

0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:39.040
<v Speaker 1>a younger deer population. And then of course so UM,

0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:41.640
<v Speaker 1>so there's that. I mean, that's really the biggest the

0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:45.239
<v Speaker 1>bigger impact on the resource is UM. You know, it's

0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.239
<v Speaker 1>my concern and I think Matt from qd M A

0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:50.279
<v Speaker 1>who you know, it did a great job, and I

0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 1>actually talked with him, uh currently regularly about listen some

0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:59.400
<v Speaker 1>other issues. Um did a great job of sort of explaining, uh,

0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:01.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, some of those those things after the fact.

0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:06.440
<v Speaker 1>So if if if I know you're out working right now,

0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:09.759
<v Speaker 1>but quick question for you and we'll pick this up

0:56:09.760 --> 0:56:11.239
<v Speaker 1>because you you know you've been you're on the show

0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:13.919
<v Speaker 1>all the time. We'll talk more about it, but real quick,

0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:17.200
<v Speaker 1>like you've you've emerged as like a c w D crusader,

0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:21.000
<v Speaker 1>right like you're like the you might even be looking

0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:22.640
<v Speaker 1>like some people in your area might think you're like

0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the crazy c w D guy because you're really driving

0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:28.759
<v Speaker 1>awareness in your area. And I don't I'm not trying

0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:30.680
<v Speaker 1>to joke, because you're doing it in a very constructive

0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:35.640
<v Speaker 1>way of really looking for striving for solutions and striving

0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:37.760
<v Speaker 1>for consensus. But that's why I ask out all fairness,

0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:40.480
<v Speaker 1>because you were like pissed at me about what I said,

0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:43.160
<v Speaker 1>because in some ways it would be that that you've

0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:45.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of made this in a way your your life's work,

0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:48.640
<v Speaker 1>and then someone like demeaning that. But if you knew,

0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:51.640
<v Speaker 1>if you were in the scenario where let's say you're

0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:53.480
<v Speaker 1>a ten right now, you're like a on a number

0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:56.440
<v Speaker 1>one to ten. You're a ten and your fight on

0:56:56.520 --> 0:57:01.000
<v Speaker 1>c w D. If you knew that there's no chance

0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:03.200
<v Speaker 1>for human infection, do you think you'd still be a ten?

0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Or would you honestly be down in the seven eight range?

0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:13.920
<v Speaker 1>UM one, I'd like to think I'm a CWD avenger

0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:19.520
<v Speaker 1>um and who I would be attend really And the

0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:22.600
<v Speaker 1>reason for it is the impact on the resource. It's conservation.

0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I yes, I concerned myself about um eating venison, um

0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:32.320
<v Speaker 1>and and people eating venison, but the fact that what

0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 1>it does to what it does to individual dear, but

0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:40.479
<v Speaker 1>then also the impact on the resource. UM, I really

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:43.400
<v Speaker 1>would I mean honestly, some of the things. I mean,

0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:45.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, I used to do buck management. We don't

0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:46.560
<v Speaker 1>do it anymore. I'd love to be able to do

0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:49.480
<v Speaker 1>that again. UM And could I and could I do that? Well?

0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Sure we would still have and we killed some nice

0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:56.840
<v Speaker 1>bucks here last year, but um we would still that

0:57:56.840 --> 0:57:59.280
<v Speaker 1>that would continue to happen. But as that prevalence gets

0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:03.360
<v Speaker 1>higher and high year, we um, dear are they're dying

0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:06.200
<v Speaker 1>and they're they're and they're not reaching those older ages.

0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:08.760
<v Speaker 1>So we're not getting to that older older age class,

0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:12.840
<v Speaker 1>which debate whether deer actually need to have age class

0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:15.840
<v Speaker 1>uh dear a trust all the age classes or not,

0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:19.800
<v Speaker 1>whether that's important the resource or not. But I'd love

0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:21.640
<v Speaker 1>to see that again. I mean, there's nothing like seeing

0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:24.880
<v Speaker 1>a big giant buck um And so yeah, I would

0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:27.720
<v Speaker 1>be concerned about it, and I would like to continue

0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:30.040
<v Speaker 1>to concer no matter what. I would want to control

0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:35.440
<v Speaker 1>prevalence um, so the percentage of gear that have it,

0:58:35.920 --> 0:58:38.120
<v Speaker 1>but then also the spread so that it's not going

0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:40.120
<v Speaker 1>on to the next place. You know. One of the

0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:44.960
<v Speaker 1>analogies that people have used is you keep your kids home, uh,

0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:46.960
<v Speaker 1>keep your kids home from school, and they're six, so

0:58:47.040 --> 0:58:49.480
<v Speaker 1>they don't go and in fact other other kids. And

0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:52.480
<v Speaker 1>we're kind of at the point here where on the

0:58:52.480 --> 0:58:55.360
<v Speaker 1>north edge of the of the streat of c w

0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:57.040
<v Speaker 1>D that I'm trying to keep your kids home from

0:58:57.440 --> 0:59:00.400
<v Speaker 1>school so that folks north of us of their kids

0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:02.640
<v Speaker 1>aren't getting six so they're dearing, kidding sick. So it

0:59:02.720 --> 0:59:06.280
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. No, it makes total sense. Man again, Doug Well,

0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I yeah, what you're on all the time. We'll have

0:59:10.120 --> 0:59:13.400
<v Speaker 1>you on again to talk more about this. Uh forgive

0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the have to do over the phone. But I said,

0:59:16.720 --> 0:59:18.360
<v Speaker 1>I got an email from Doug that said, this is

0:59:18.400 --> 0:59:21.360
<v Speaker 1>an email I'd never thought I'd need to write to you,

0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:25.120
<v Speaker 1>which is not how I like to start my morning.

0:59:26.680 --> 0:59:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Well are we do we still? We still love each other? Right?

0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:35.680
<v Speaker 1>I love you, man, I really do. And I appreciate this. Um,

0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate the call and the opportunity and and uh,

0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I apologize for being a little heavy handed with some

0:59:44.040 --> 0:59:46.480
<v Speaker 1>of that, but I UM, you know, as I think

0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:48.640
<v Speaker 1>I told you, I've gotten a lot of contacts about it,

0:59:48.680 --> 0:59:51.920
<v Speaker 1>and every time I did, I got upset with you

0:59:52.000 --> 0:59:53.880
<v Speaker 1>more than I should have. And I tried to get

0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:56.160
<v Speaker 1>people and I hope some people have written to meet

0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:58.480
<v Speaker 1>either because I said, look, let them know, not just me.

0:59:59.520 --> 1:00:02.080
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it was. It was dumping to say it was.

1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:03.600
<v Speaker 1>It was, I was. I was making a point. I

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<v Speaker 1>should have said what really scares me or what especially

1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:10.920
<v Speaker 1>scares me? But yeah, yeah, and I UM, I also

1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:14.080
<v Speaker 1>want to say that in the of all of the

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<v Speaker 1>work that you've done in conservation and and everything you've

1:00:17.880 --> 1:00:21.360
<v Speaker 1>done for conservation and the voice that you are, it

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<v Speaker 1>pretty hard to to fault you when we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seconds of time in a really a lifetime career

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<v Speaker 1>and uh so um that's I guess that's part of

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the deal. But I appreciate the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I love you like a brother, as

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<v Speaker 1>as the case with some of those other guys there.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, thanks very much. All right, thanks Doug. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about more. I was wanting to clear the air

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<v Speaker 1>because I haven't been able to sleep at night. Think

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't love me. Alright, talk to dog. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're walking the way out of here. Man, I got

1:00:58.880 --> 1:01:02.040
<v Speaker 1>that taking care of now. Okay, who uh do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell your elk story? So I tell my

1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:07.200
<v Speaker 1>elk story. Um, depends on what you're looking for. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>mine's a big, fancy private land scenario. You're a everyday man,

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<v Speaker 1>the nails, blue collar hero. Let's hear your fancy one. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got like very spoiled spoiled kid, um chance

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<v Speaker 1>to go hunt a big private ranch that is owned

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<v Speaker 1>and operated by the Nature Conservancy in eastern Oregon. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called the zoom Walt Prairie Preserve, and their mission statement

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<v Speaker 1>out there is to preserve the last um largest contiguous

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<v Speaker 1>chunk of bunch grass prairie. Um bunch grass prairie ecosystem,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is uh, really gorgeous. It's right outside of

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<v Speaker 1>joseph An Enterprise, Oregon UM, which I understand are getting

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<v Speaker 1>like more popular with um like your Portlands tourist crowd

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<v Speaker 1>out there. So folks is kind of starting to discover

1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:08.520
<v Speaker 1>that area. And I actually have some friends with a

1:02:08.640 --> 1:02:12.160
<v Speaker 1>ranch in that same spots. I've been traveling out there,

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, every other year or so, and and

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<v Speaker 1>it is big, like Feeder Stream tributary country for uh,

1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Snake River Hills Canyon, and it's like big. So you

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<v Speaker 1>have those big flat top plateaus and then these big

1:02:27.520 --> 1:02:31.760
<v Speaker 1>banded kind of cliff band grassy drops all the way

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<v Speaker 1>down into like really dried um kind of desert country. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's stuff that It's like those one of those areas

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<v Speaker 1>where you feel like you're in the mountains because there's

1:02:39.120 --> 1:02:42.040
<v Speaker 1>so much topography, but then you realize there's no like uplift.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's just like it's like a flat thing

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<v Speaker 1>that's been washed away rather than a jaggy thing that's

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<v Speaker 1>been shelved up. Yeah, I mean it's yeah, you could

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<v Speaker 1>travel the tops in a mountain bike, you know, with

1:02:54.160 --> 1:02:59.960
<v Speaker 1>with no trail almost so um. But so they're there

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<v Speaker 1>to this big private chunk with an access component there

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<v Speaker 1>cowell hunters starting out there at the same time. I

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<v Speaker 1>was the opening day in that areas August August. But

1:03:17.360 --> 1:03:19.480
<v Speaker 1>like in Alaska, their full swing by them. But here

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<v Speaker 1>it seems it feels weird. Tolorado starts archery elk in August.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they hard horned? Yeah? Yeah, we we spotted a

1:03:27.520 --> 1:03:32.360
<v Speaker 1>few that were like still had plenty velvet hanging off

1:03:32.400 --> 1:03:34.440
<v Speaker 1>of them, you know, but they had started to shadows.

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<v Speaker 1>It was cool. Um, but um, big bachelor groups of

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<v Speaker 1>bulls and uh not all playing grab bass yet there

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<v Speaker 1>is like a little bit of that winding up and

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<v Speaker 1>it I mean I would tell anybody who can you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you got to diversify and like watch those

1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:56.200
<v Speaker 1>animals every opportunity you get, because it's just like really neat,

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<v Speaker 1>interesting her dynamic stuff when all those bulls are together

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<v Speaker 1>and where you can see like how everybody beds down

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<v Speaker 1>and the biggest bowls are like so covered up by everybody. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'll take the middle boys, yeah exactly. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that spot right next to the rock that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>really see what's coming up behind you? Why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>take that. I'm gonna be down here in this hole. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then yeah, they're like they'd get up and stretch,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they'd like look at each other and go

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<v Speaker 1>over there and like gently gently tap antlers together. For

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<v Speaker 1>then they'd be like, I'm gonna eat some more, um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then but then get like real aggressive on a

1:04:37.520 --> 1:04:42.560
<v Speaker 1>tree and then somebody. It was just interesting. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>just like see the wheels starting to turn? Like, oh God,

1:04:46.040 --> 1:04:47.920
<v Speaker 1>that makes me want to do something, but I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's not quite time yet, and it's super fun. And

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<v Speaker 1>I will tell you never felt like such a bugling

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<v Speaker 1>pro because every I would say of my bugles were

1:05:03.280 --> 1:05:06.320
<v Speaker 1>responded to. But they're just getting to where they feel

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<v Speaker 1>like they want a bugle. Yeah, and so you'd like

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<v Speaker 1>you'd bugle and be like bloo bloop bloop, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's like what did you say. It's all like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm over here. They're not oh no no, but they

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<v Speaker 1>like they like doing it. Yeah. It was I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it was fun and uh, certainly not a situation where

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<v Speaker 1>you have that monkey on your back. Like, boy, I

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<v Speaker 1>only got a couple of days and I haven't found

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<v Speaker 1>ELK yet. You know, like it was. It was pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>One spotted a couple of raghorn bowls underneath the tree,

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<v Speaker 1>went over there, checked him out and started looking and

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<v Speaker 1>there's like sixteen bowls in there. Sixteen you know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>just like, oh my god, like giants too or what? Um? So,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Chad Dotson, who was a preserved steward, so

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<v Speaker 1>if you have an ANTLERD tag out on the preserve,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to be accompanied by a preserved steward. Um

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<v Speaker 1>for what purpose? Uh? I think it's it's purely because

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<v Speaker 1>those tags are UM such high value because they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>used as UM fundraiser tags for UM all these local

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<v Speaker 1>So basically it's set up UM like a grant, so

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<v Speaker 1>all the charities in that area can basically apply for

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<v Speaker 1>one of these tags to then use as a major

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<v Speaker 1>fundraiser for that group. But they want to prevent what

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<v Speaker 1>from happening. Well, I think it's it's more of like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you have this very special thing, we want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure it's a special thing for you to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>maintain the value of the tag. UM. And so the

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<v Speaker 1>preserve stewards go out and they're like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>would probably hold off on shooting that bowl, because is

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<v Speaker 1>if we just look a little bit longer, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>find something bigger and something older. Yeah, presumably they know

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<v Speaker 1>all the property boundaries and yeah yeah, I definitely know

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<v Speaker 1>the property boundaries and and um the uh to get

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<v Speaker 1>elk living a long time out there too, and the

1:07:20.440 --> 1:07:23.680
<v Speaker 1>individual get old. Yeah, and they um part of the

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<v Speaker 1>deal out there, Like if you're a rifle hunter, you

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<v Speaker 1>got to use non let immunition. Um, everybody is required to.

1:07:30.680 --> 1:07:34.960
<v Speaker 1>There's a big survey questionnaire that you gotta fill out. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>after the hunt you gotta send in um tooth so

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<v Speaker 1>they can buy ops yet um and uh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's all it's super neat stuff and and really

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<v Speaker 1>cool program. Didn't you trip and fall and almost land

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<v Speaker 1>on a bear school? Yeah yeah yeah, which was just

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<v Speaker 1>like a total So the interesting part here is, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I shot now turned out to not be a good shot,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the interesting stuff came after and um, so I

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<v Speaker 1>shoot the bowl. It was a twenty four yard shot.

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<v Speaker 1>How was another good shot? I thought the fell right off. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is like all this after the fact stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I have this great shot. I have

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<v Speaker 1>all the time in the world take my time well

1:08:28.240 --> 1:08:32.000
<v Speaker 1>within my comfort range with your curve bow. This was

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<v Speaker 1>with the long bow. UM, and I shoot the bowl

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<v Speaker 1>reacts the sound of the arrow hitting the bowl, it

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<v Speaker 1>was very familiar as like that sounds like a very

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<v Speaker 1>good shot. Um. Like sounded like bone and lung and

1:08:48.560 --> 1:08:50.479
<v Speaker 1>you know because it kind of had that like crunch

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sound to it. Um, that was my like

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<v Speaker 1>a little deflation type sound. And um. And the this

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<v Speaker 1>is a huge bodied bull and he's got this really

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<v Speaker 1>distinct old man bugle um. But then when he stepped out,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like like not that big of a antlerd bull, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, too good to pass up. And the

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<v Speaker 1>bull reacts like he is immediately falling over. And he

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<v Speaker 1>runs and this on a very steep slope, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>like on the edge of the canyon. And uh, he

1:09:31.000 --> 1:09:33.799
<v Speaker 1>reacts like he's fallen over the whole time, and running

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<v Speaker 1>faster than any healthy animal would down this slope. Then

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, somehow hits the brakes, makes a

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<v Speaker 1>ninety degree turn, takes a couple of steps on this

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<v Speaker 1>what turns out to be a game trail, and disappears

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<v Speaker 1>from site. Um. At that point, i'd ripped a big bugle.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah. My theory is like bugle, particularly with big

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<v Speaker 1>bulls after their hit, um, because I find that they

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<v Speaker 1>re act better too, like their anger sense of anger,

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<v Speaker 1>like think you might think he might pause him thinking

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<v Speaker 1>that another bull hit him, right, um and so and

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<v Speaker 1>he turned and hit that trail went out of sight

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm waiting and then I hear crack boom move

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<v Speaker 1>boom boom boom boom, and I kind of like laughed

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<v Speaker 1>to myself like it sounds like you fell all the

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<v Speaker 1>way to the bottom. Har har and he had he had. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So there the and there's a lot of logistics talk

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<v Speaker 1>on this Boston aidlers all the way down and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>It is pitch black by the time I start trailing,

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<v Speaker 1>but because of that crashing noise, I'm very confident that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to recover the animal. Um. You know, up

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<v Speaker 1>until now, like everything's like out of a dusty playbook, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, yeah, this is an area, so go down.

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<v Speaker 1>I find it was actually easier to track in the moonlight,

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<v Speaker 1>um oddly enough or not in the head lamp light, um,

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<v Speaker 1>because like there's so much elk signe over there. But

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<v Speaker 1>like the big digger marks of this bowl running so

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<v Speaker 1>crazy just seemed to pop out more in the head lamp,

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<v Speaker 1>more in the light. Yeah, and uh the more in

1:11:25.200 --> 1:11:28.599
<v Speaker 1>the head lamp. It was pitch black. There is no Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I misspoke, and uh so I'm tracking him.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I find the arrow and I'm like, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not good. First of all, I'm like, I am the

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<v Speaker 1>best tracker in the world. I found the arrow on

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<v Speaker 1>the pitch black, and then I look at the arraw

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<v Speaker 1>on I'm like, I am a terrible shot because I

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<v Speaker 1>ended up hitting him in the front low on the

1:11:52.439 --> 1:11:56.960
<v Speaker 1>front left leg. So I mean the bottom basically like

1:11:57.000 --> 1:12:03.720
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the shoulder um above above the elbow um.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh that leg broke. Oh but it didn't break

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<v Speaker 1>on impact. It broke when he This is all right

1:12:15.680 --> 1:12:19.320
<v Speaker 1>my assumptions here of the data I collected. But it

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<v Speaker 1>broke once he took a couple of steps on that

1:12:21.479 --> 1:12:25.200
<v Speaker 1>game trail. Um and you know, I have the bone

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<v Speaker 1>with the broadhead in it, and there's a big spiral

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<v Speaker 1>fracture up and the break was actually below the impact

1:12:33.800 --> 1:12:37.920
<v Speaker 1>of the broadhead. And then that sent that bowl tumbling downhill.

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<v Speaker 1>That called him to fall off the cliff and he

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<v Speaker 1>fell off three cliffs and I'm you know, I'm picking

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<v Speaker 1>my way down through this stuff. But that whole bowl

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the biggest bodied elk I have ever

1:12:52.840 --> 1:12:57.160
<v Speaker 1>certainly ever taken myself. But that whole bowl was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere between six and ten ft off the ground three

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<v Speaker 1>different times. And uh, I had to have with a

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<v Speaker 1>mount and go at one time who was like thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>pounds or something to meat. This was the I wish

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<v Speaker 1>I could I do, wish I could somehow contextualize this

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<v Speaker 1>properly and then and then show the pictures online because

1:13:18.320 --> 1:13:24.000
<v Speaker 1>the trauma is is just ghastly. And I didn't make

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<v Speaker 1>the comment I'm like, man, I wonder if Oregon Fishing

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<v Speaker 1>Game would slip me a cow tag because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if any of this is going to be usable.

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<v Speaker 1>But the rock slides um that the bowl had to

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<v Speaker 1>have gone through. He was traveling so fast that there

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<v Speaker 1>was very very little blood. Um there was zero hair,

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<v Speaker 1>which I found just unbelievable. Um. But I at first

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<v Speaker 1>like like, well, this is the way he had to go,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't find any sign of It's all active

1:13:56.720 --> 1:14:00.600
<v Speaker 1>rock slides, so they're all smooth, and and then I

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<v Speaker 1>see this rock that looks like somebody hit it with

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<v Speaker 1>a hammer, you know, like all chipped white and broken.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what, it's odd. And then I look and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shining the head lamp around, and I can see

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<v Speaker 1>the bright white inside of an antler, like the core

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<v Speaker 1>of the antler is shining bright white. It's like reflective almost,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, oh, okay, well, here's a chunk of

1:14:27.280 --> 1:14:29.719
<v Speaker 1>an antler. And then there's a chunk of an antler,

1:14:29.760 --> 1:14:33.479
<v Speaker 1>and then there's a chunk and then I can see

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<v Speaker 1>like more busted rock, just same same way, like you're

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<v Speaker 1>just whacking it with a hammer every ten ft. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I can see the roots of a tree tipped

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<v Speaker 1>over and I'm like, oh, that's fresh. And then yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was like really every bit of ten feet. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to like his body hit the tree and

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<v Speaker 1>uproot of the tree. Yeah, And then off this major

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<v Speaker 1>cliff and then and I have to like jump down

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<v Speaker 1>probably like a five ft drop section, and I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>not to fall and slide off, and I look between

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<v Speaker 1>my feet and there's like a pinky size tip of

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<v Speaker 1>a horn, tip of an antler tip right in between

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<v Speaker 1>my feet and I'm like, oh, one piece of a time,

1:15:19.680 --> 1:15:23.240
<v Speaker 1>um like that Johnny Cash song and uh, I can't

1:15:23.280 --> 1:15:28.160
<v Speaker 1>stand that song. They's fitting under these circumstances, man, and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and yeah. So then I continue down the slide path.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just so odd, right, and it's like that

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<v Speaker 1>when you're tracking at night. I'm like, Okay, here he's

1:15:38.560 --> 1:15:42.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna be and then he's no elt. I'm like, there's

1:15:42.400 --> 1:15:46.000
<v Speaker 1>just it's not I have dropped so much elevation, right,

1:15:46.040 --> 1:15:49.360
<v Speaker 1>And I'm always like very hesitant to drop elevation unless

1:15:49.360 --> 1:15:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I really know, but I'm so I'm crossing little side

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<v Speaker 1>gaps off the list and then going down and then

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden go through this next cliff band

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<v Speaker 1>and I slip and fall hard, and I look over

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<v Speaker 1>with my head lamp and there's this bear skull just

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<v Speaker 1>grinning at me. It's awful ominous warning. Warning really gave

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<v Speaker 1>me a stop, right, And it's like that bear had

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<v Speaker 1>laid down and died right there, because it is just perfect,

1:16:26.680 --> 1:16:29.920
<v Speaker 1>and like the canines sitting there eyes looking at me,

1:16:30.160 --> 1:16:32.720
<v Speaker 1>or the sockets looking at me, and he says, your

1:16:32.720 --> 1:16:36.519
<v Speaker 1>bullet is gone, and I was just like, you know,

1:16:36.560 --> 1:16:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I just it was like, what put you and me

1:16:38.800 --> 1:16:42.320
<v Speaker 1>here at the same same time? Like you should spot

1:16:42.360 --> 1:16:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't be here or something, and so yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just threw me for a loop, um, because

1:16:49.000 --> 1:16:53.720
<v Speaker 1>when do you ever see that? And I'd go a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit further. At that point, Um, Chad and uh

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<v Speaker 1>Waring had gotten all the way around to the bottom,

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<v Speaker 1>so they'd gone all the way to the back, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, hey, grab my chainsaw, um grab you know,

1:17:09.640 --> 1:17:12.799
<v Speaker 1>here's like the list of things to chaw for because

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know the condition of the two track road

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<v Speaker 1>in the bottom. Um if we could use that saw

1:17:18.120 --> 1:17:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to like cut some dead timber out of the way

1:17:20.080 --> 1:17:21.920
<v Speaker 1>or just make things easier, you know, And they had

1:17:21.960 --> 1:17:25.439
<v Speaker 1>to go through there anyway, so I figured why not? Um,

1:17:26.000 --> 1:17:29.320
<v Speaker 1>And you know, at this point, I'm like two yards

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<v Speaker 1>off the bottom, like the bottom bottom, and Chad starts

1:17:33.360 --> 1:17:39.519
<v Speaker 1>hiking up and about a hundred feet from like the

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<v Speaker 1>actual creek bottom is that bowl all piled up? And

1:17:42.560 --> 1:17:44.960
<v Speaker 1>so he actually got to him before I did. In

1:17:45.000 --> 1:17:49.200
<v Speaker 1>a total mess. Yeah, in in a in a total

1:17:49.280 --> 1:17:52.280
<v Speaker 1>mass man. And just yes, that bowl could have been

1:17:52.320 --> 1:17:56.759
<v Speaker 1>a six by six, but now it's a two by three,

1:17:57.080 --> 1:18:00.920
<v Speaker 1>two by four. If the way it bro you would

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<v Speaker 1>count like the continuation of the main beam as a point.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the sheared off part of the main beam as

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<v Speaker 1>a point. Yeah, so um, what a disaster. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is huge, like it is a huge bowl

1:18:17.439 --> 1:18:22.479
<v Speaker 1>and man, start cutting that thing and like and I

1:18:22.520 --> 1:18:24.320
<v Speaker 1>made the comment, I'm like, man, it looks like you

1:18:24.400 --> 1:18:27.720
<v Speaker 1>got shot with a shotgun because it's just like peppered

1:18:28.120 --> 1:18:31.840
<v Speaker 1>from that ride down the mountain. And uh so I

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<v Speaker 1>start at the anus, right and I'm cut up and

1:18:37.320 --> 1:18:40.760
<v Speaker 1>I start peeling that hideback and it you know, all

1:18:40.800 --> 1:18:43.200
<v Speaker 1>these bowls I've been watching through the phone scope and

1:18:43.880 --> 1:18:46.840
<v Speaker 1>like watching for days, and I'm just remarking the whole

1:18:46.880 --> 1:18:49.080
<v Speaker 1>time how fat they are. Oh my god, look at

1:18:49.080 --> 1:18:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the fat, Like you can see it ripple, you know,

1:18:51.439 --> 1:18:54.519
<v Speaker 1>And that's just not something you see even early in

1:18:54.560 --> 1:18:57.160
<v Speaker 1>that typical archery season because they've been doing a lot

1:18:57.200 --> 1:19:01.960
<v Speaker 1>of running and um, and this fat is like obliterated.

1:19:03.080 --> 1:19:08.040
<v Speaker 1>It is particulate fat. Oh like that was the cushion

1:19:08.640 --> 1:19:11.280
<v Speaker 1>and it is a mess and it's got awful and

1:19:11.320 --> 1:19:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm just sick to my stomach. But then you kind

1:19:15.040 --> 1:19:18.360
<v Speaker 1>of get through that that layer of fascia um right

1:19:18.400 --> 1:19:22.559
<v Speaker 1>above the meat, and everything started looking clean. Um. But

1:19:22.600 --> 1:19:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I just yeah, the pictures are yeah, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>sent you guys. I think your honest is like what

1:19:27.760 --> 1:19:31.080
<v Speaker 1>am I looking at? It's just like but like the

1:19:31.120 --> 1:19:33.840
<v Speaker 1>anus was blown out of it. All the ribs were

1:19:33.880 --> 1:19:37.400
<v Speaker 1>broken right below the spine on one side. On the

1:19:37.439 --> 1:19:43.560
<v Speaker 1>opposite side. When I started to cut the loin out, Um,

1:19:43.600 --> 1:19:46.679
<v Speaker 1>I made like half a cut in that fashion layer

1:19:47.000 --> 1:19:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and the loin just dropped into my hands like it

1:19:49.439 --> 1:19:54.120
<v Speaker 1>had come It had detached from the spine and the ribs. Um.

1:19:54.200 --> 1:19:56.120
<v Speaker 1>You know. It's well, I think I told you probably

1:19:56.120 --> 1:19:58.280
<v Speaker 1>ten times. But when I had that mountain goat that fell,

1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:04.360
<v Speaker 1>its skull was opened, its brain was gone, and I

1:20:04.439 --> 1:20:07.439
<v Speaker 1>found its long tucked tucked up between its shank and

1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:14.960
<v Speaker 1>it's hide no his ankle, yeah, man, no skinning, no

1:20:15.120 --> 1:20:17.760
<v Speaker 1>necessary skinning coasts. The hide, it completely separated, was just

1:20:17.840 --> 1:20:22.920
<v Speaker 1>held on by the hoofs. Wow. No, but yeah, so

1:20:22.960 --> 1:20:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. This is just kind of one of those things, right,

1:20:26.120 --> 1:20:31.519
<v Speaker 1>It's like, uh, who knows, like the thing it's just

1:20:31.840 --> 1:20:33.360
<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot there's not like a lot of

1:20:33.439 --> 1:20:36.559
<v Speaker 1>lessons to learn here. I think the lesson is like,

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<v Speaker 1>had you just taken it at phase value and like

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<v Speaker 1>not being a heart eater, you would have been like, oh,

1:20:42.479 --> 1:20:44.639
<v Speaker 1>slipped her through the shoulder and whacked him in the heart.

1:20:45.840 --> 1:20:48.960
<v Speaker 1>But I dug the heart out and I'm like, there

1:20:49.040 --> 1:20:52.680
<v Speaker 1>is definitely not a broad head hole in this thing. Um,

1:20:52.760 --> 1:20:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I did find bruising inside the heart. And I asked

1:20:57.600 --> 1:21:03.639
<v Speaker 1>e m T. Buddy, I'm like, you, uh, figure like

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<v Speaker 1>if there's a cardiac arrest type situation, they'll be bruising

1:21:07.000 --> 1:21:10.439
<v Speaker 1>inside the heart. And uh, he said, typically it comes

1:21:10.439 --> 1:21:14.000
<v Speaker 1>from a blockage outside the heart, and so there's not

1:21:14.080 --> 1:21:16.360
<v Speaker 1>bruising inside the heart. But maybe somebody can write in

1:21:16.400 --> 1:21:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and let us know about that, Like really old Elk

1:21:19.040 --> 1:21:21.599
<v Speaker 1>freaked out had a heart attack, and that's you know.

1:21:22.439 --> 1:21:24.639
<v Speaker 1>But so you're you're saying this because you don't know

1:21:24.720 --> 1:21:29.519
<v Speaker 1>what killed it, that the arrow placement may have killed

1:21:29.520 --> 1:21:32.599
<v Speaker 1>it eventually, but it didn't kill it that fast, and

1:21:32.640 --> 1:21:36.559
<v Speaker 1>it fell. The lesson to be learned or the takeaway

1:21:36.560 --> 1:21:38.920
<v Speaker 1>from me or ad is like you aren't as good

1:21:38.920 --> 1:21:40.600
<v Speaker 1>as you think you are with that bow because you

1:21:40.640 --> 1:21:44.720
<v Speaker 1>definitely made a mistake. So um, that's that's a good

1:21:44.800 --> 1:21:48.920
<v Speaker 1>lesson and I got really freaking lucky. Man, So did

1:21:48.920 --> 1:21:52.080
<v Speaker 1>you try any of the meat yet? All I've all

1:21:52.120 --> 1:21:54.680
<v Speaker 1>I have eaten as the heart. And then I had

1:21:54.680 --> 1:21:59.040
<v Speaker 1>a couple of friends in town um that weekend, and

1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:02.000
<v Speaker 1>they helped, but true, and so I sent them with

1:22:02.040 --> 1:22:03.960
<v Speaker 1>some of the meat. Um, and they were there for

1:22:04.000 --> 1:22:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the butchering job. But like inside those loins there would

1:22:07.960 --> 1:22:12.479
<v Speaker 1>be um just if they it looked like actual like

1:22:12.680 --> 1:22:18.080
<v Speaker 1>burst blood vessels. And and so they they actually, um,

1:22:19.360 --> 1:22:23.000
<v Speaker 1>they were there like camping across the country, and they

1:22:23.240 --> 1:22:25.040
<v Speaker 1>cooked it up and they said it was really good,

1:22:25.160 --> 1:22:30.040
<v Speaker 1>exceptionally tender. But yeah, man, I mean and that's I'll

1:22:30.040 --> 1:22:34.640
<v Speaker 1>take a pack of that. That's yeah, definitely the I

1:22:34.640 --> 1:22:37.240
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I I one another takeaway is like you

1:22:37.320 --> 1:22:41.080
<v Speaker 1>just you're never as long as you hunt as many

1:22:41.120 --> 1:22:43.479
<v Speaker 1>of these scenarios as you see, they're all unique, and

1:22:43.479 --> 1:22:47.000
<v Speaker 1>you're never gonna get to a point where you're like, oh, yeah,

1:22:47.000 --> 1:22:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I've seen that, let me tell you what happened, you know.

1:22:49.640 --> 1:22:51.920
<v Speaker 1>So I like that part of last time I had

1:22:51.960 --> 1:22:57.400
<v Speaker 1>a big bull fall off cliff. Yeah, but we figured, um,

1:22:57.439 --> 1:23:00.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, every every bit of six vertical feet that bowl.

1:23:00.920 --> 1:23:09.160
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, you think about that filled the engineer. Uh,

1:23:09.479 --> 1:23:10.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. If it were on tracks, would be

1:23:10.800 --> 1:23:15.840
<v Speaker 1>a fun roller coaster. It sounds like the best phils got. Wow.

1:23:17.800 --> 1:23:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Did you like that story? Yeah, yeah, it was great.

1:23:20.080 --> 1:23:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I had heard some of some of it before, but

1:23:22.200 --> 1:23:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the bare skull is new. Like like that touch, that's

1:23:24.760 --> 1:23:27.400
<v Speaker 1>a good one. Yeah. So you're enjoining yourself down here, Yeah,

1:23:27.680 --> 1:23:30.880
<v Speaker 1>having a great time and it's so hot, you know,

1:23:30.920 --> 1:23:33.679
<v Speaker 1>we're we got that thing back and got the meat

1:23:33.840 --> 1:23:41.200
<v Speaker 1>all hung up cooling. Um uh three am. It was

1:23:41.240 --> 1:23:45.720
<v Speaker 1>probably in bed by a four am. Yeah. That's that's

1:23:45.720 --> 1:23:47.680
<v Speaker 1>what you sign up for when you're shooting bowls at

1:23:47.760 --> 1:23:52.160
<v Speaker 1>night and in the heat. Right. So I hate doing

1:23:52.200 --> 1:23:56.120
<v Speaker 1>that too, Like I've I've called her quits early many

1:23:56.240 --> 1:23:58.280
<v Speaker 1>nights because I'm like, man, I just don't feel like

1:23:58.360 --> 1:24:04.439
<v Speaker 1>doing that whole situation up. Man. Um, you know, next

1:24:04.479 --> 1:24:06.600
<v Speaker 1>week when we're hunting out together, I sure hope you

1:24:06.760 --> 1:24:09.719
<v Speaker 1>kill one in the morning and makes life that much easier.

1:24:09.880 --> 1:24:12.880
<v Speaker 1>That's that's the story I'm gonna tell right now. But

1:24:13.080 --> 1:24:15.880
<v Speaker 1>me and my brother went out elk hunting. You could

1:24:15.920 --> 1:24:18.479
<v Speaker 1>start off saying, let me tell you how it should be.

1:24:18.600 --> 1:24:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you how it should work. So we uh,

1:24:24.560 --> 1:24:28.640
<v Speaker 1>opening morning here just not too long ago, oh a

1:24:28.720 --> 1:24:31.519
<v Speaker 1>week ago, where the hell was a little over a

1:24:31.520 --> 1:24:36.559
<v Speaker 1>week ago? Um, no week will be tomorrow week. Tomorrow. Well,

1:24:36.600 --> 1:24:39.639
<v Speaker 1>it opens on Saturday. And we on Friday night, not filming,

1:24:39.720 --> 1:24:42.000
<v Speaker 1>just out monkeying around like the old days. We on

1:24:42.040 --> 1:24:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Friday night in the afternoon start. We had we had

1:24:47.320 --> 1:24:50.040
<v Speaker 1>his llamas with us, We had four pack llamas, and

1:24:50.080 --> 1:24:51.920
<v Speaker 1>we started hiking up into the mountains to an area

1:24:51.960 --> 1:24:56.479
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to go and hit. Um. We start in

1:24:56.479 --> 1:25:00.080
<v Speaker 1>the afternoon is rainings, all muddy and just kind of nasty,

1:25:00.840 --> 1:25:02.439
<v Speaker 1>but we knew he had a good day touch nasty

1:25:02.479 --> 1:25:05.000
<v Speaker 1>weather that I was even looking at you guys, going man,

1:25:05.040 --> 1:25:08.120
<v Speaker 1>you might want to change direction to help change locations,

1:25:08.160 --> 1:25:10.000
<v Speaker 1>because it looks like a real ship day to walk

1:25:10.040 --> 1:25:12.120
<v Speaker 1>into the starting when you gotta like get when you

1:25:12.160 --> 1:25:13.840
<v Speaker 1>get out of the trunk and it's pouring rain and

1:25:13.880 --> 1:25:15.320
<v Speaker 1>you're going back in for a couple of nights. And

1:25:15.360 --> 1:25:17.519
<v Speaker 1>so I was like, oh really, but then you can't

1:25:17.520 --> 1:25:20.720
<v Speaker 1>back out because then what's the point being alive? So

1:25:21.960 --> 1:25:24.840
<v Speaker 1>we started going, um, and we get into an area

1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:29.639
<v Speaker 1>where he thinks, like he's expecting we should be seeing something,

1:25:29.720 --> 1:25:32.840
<v Speaker 1>seeing hearing something, seeing something. But then it's like hard

1:25:32.880 --> 1:25:35.240
<v Speaker 1>to rule out because well, it's raining. At first. He's like, man,

1:25:35.360 --> 1:25:37.799
<v Speaker 1>rains really putting them down, you know, like they're not out.

1:25:37.840 --> 1:25:41.800
<v Speaker 1>But then all of a sudden, it was like like

1:25:41.840 --> 1:25:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the sky's part and it's like this beautiful evening and

1:25:44.880 --> 1:25:48.280
<v Speaker 1>we're sitting there as it gets dusk and we got

1:25:48.280 --> 1:25:52.200
<v Speaker 1>a good advantage and just just like nothing nothing. So

1:25:52.360 --> 1:25:54.720
<v Speaker 1>nick is dark and we kick around like, man, you know,

1:25:54.800 --> 1:25:56.799
<v Speaker 1>maybe they'll be out in the morning. But we decided

1:25:56.800 --> 1:26:00.200
<v Speaker 1>to keep walking. And we walked another couple hours through

1:26:00.200 --> 1:26:03.559
<v Speaker 1>the dark, and um got the point where about seven

1:26:03.560 --> 1:26:08.280
<v Speaker 1>miles from where we parked, and then we were starting

1:26:08.280 --> 1:26:15.800
<v Speaker 1>to hear some ripping. Um like good buglan and set

1:26:15.880 --> 1:26:18.439
<v Speaker 1>up and slept there for the night, got up in

1:26:18.479 --> 1:26:20.800
<v Speaker 1>the morning and just kind of like got out of

1:26:21.240 --> 1:26:24.120
<v Speaker 1>eight in the morning, not eight in the morning. But

1:26:24.200 --> 1:26:27.519
<v Speaker 1>we ate breakfast in the morning, you know, we ate,

1:26:27.760 --> 1:26:30.720
<v Speaker 1>you know. Uh. That was pretty damn good man. Was

1:26:30.760 --> 1:26:35.680
<v Speaker 1>it a bunch of sinew and normal matt meal? No,

1:26:35.760 --> 1:26:37.639
<v Speaker 1>because I brought it. It was that what was that?

1:26:37.720 --> 1:26:41.120
<v Speaker 1>What's the heathers or pantry? Oh my head, there's choice.

1:26:41.600 --> 1:26:46.640
<v Speaker 1>The breakfast, dude, they're like rockets. That was good. We

1:26:46.800 --> 1:26:48.439
<v Speaker 1>ate some of those. I brought some of those. Yeah,

1:26:48.479 --> 1:26:51.439
<v Speaker 1>and Matt or beating like sin you. Oh you know

1:26:51.439 --> 1:26:54.120
<v Speaker 1>another quick Matt story. He doesn't normally eat. I don't

1:26:54.120 --> 1:26:56.519
<v Speaker 1>think he doesn't like to eat. He used he still

1:26:56.600 --> 1:27:00.040
<v Speaker 1>uses an old school alcohol stove, which I like. I

1:27:00.120 --> 1:27:01.679
<v Speaker 1>was like, hey, want me to grab my jet boil

1:27:01.680 --> 1:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>and he goes no, because I like it to be

1:27:03.080 --> 1:27:05.559
<v Speaker 1>quiet when I'm cooking. I want to listen for bugles.

1:27:07.280 --> 1:27:09.559
<v Speaker 1>And he uses the alcohol because it makes zero noise

1:27:10.360 --> 1:27:13.479
<v Speaker 1>like at jet boils loud. Yes, but I would argue

1:27:13.520 --> 1:27:17.120
<v Speaker 1>that it's so such an inefficient use of time that

1:27:17.120 --> 1:27:19.240
<v Speaker 1>that jet louder jet boys. Sure, you might be not

1:27:19.479 --> 1:27:22.720
<v Speaker 1>hearing something for about two minutes, but at least you

1:27:22.760 --> 1:27:25.200
<v Speaker 1>get to eat before ten pm. Were you writing on

1:27:25.240 --> 1:27:28.280
<v Speaker 1>that alcohol stove man dinners late? Yeah, but he said

1:27:28.400 --> 1:27:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I pressed him on it. He said, I'm never in

1:27:30.439 --> 1:27:33.479
<v Speaker 1>a hurry, and when I'm cooking, I want to listen

1:27:33.520 --> 1:27:35.600
<v Speaker 1>for bugles. He just likes his alcohol sol but I

1:27:35.640 --> 1:27:37.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't argue with him. He likes algoslo. But he told

1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:43.320
<v Speaker 1>me a great story. He carries with them a portable

1:27:43.560 --> 1:27:47.479
<v Speaker 1>bow press. Have you seen one of these? Oh, it's

1:27:47.520 --> 1:27:51.400
<v Speaker 1>like a cable with a little screw attachment on the

1:27:51.640 --> 1:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>hand crank. He carries a portable bow press with the

1:27:54.080 --> 1:27:57.360
<v Speaker 1>mountain the woods. Somehow he got he had ran into

1:27:57.400 --> 1:27:59.479
<v Speaker 1>some problem and wished he had one. Oh he was

1:27:59.479 --> 1:28:01.600
<v Speaker 1>with his white fue time and something happened and his

1:28:01.720 --> 1:28:04.559
<v Speaker 1>bow popped off. The came off one of the cams,

1:28:05.080 --> 1:28:06.720
<v Speaker 1>and him and his wife were able to rastle that

1:28:06.760 --> 1:28:10.479
<v Speaker 1>bow back into submission and got it real strong. So

1:28:10.520 --> 1:28:12.519
<v Speaker 1>then she goes out and buys him a portable bow press.

1:28:13.800 --> 1:28:15.760
<v Speaker 1>And he's working a group of elk. This is not

1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:17.920
<v Speaker 1>our this is this is just him alone. He's out

1:28:17.920 --> 1:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>working a group of elk with and he had his

1:28:19.800 --> 1:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>portable bull press and his wife bought for him with him.

1:28:23.240 --> 1:28:25.120
<v Speaker 1>He's working a group of elk and slips on a

1:28:25.200 --> 1:28:28.320
<v Speaker 1>rock and a stream channel and falls down and busts

1:28:28.360 --> 1:28:32.360
<v Speaker 1>the peep site off his bowstring. And he carries like

1:28:32.439 --> 1:28:34.479
<v Speaker 1>basic stuff like anybody was. But he doesn't care like

1:28:34.479 --> 1:28:37.040
<v Speaker 1>who carries an extra peeps Like maybe I'm sure thousands

1:28:37.080 --> 1:28:39.160
<v Speaker 1>of thousands of people do, but he doesn't have extra

1:28:39.160 --> 1:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>peeps like check this out he's way to hell Bag

1:28:42.840 --> 1:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>in the mountains. His peep site broke. He starts looking

1:28:46.200 --> 1:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>around through all his gear and realizes that the button

1:28:49.439 --> 1:28:54.799
<v Speaker 1>on his pants has like that little rim around the periphery.

1:28:55.840 --> 1:28:59.920
<v Speaker 1>M okay hollows out the hole in the button i

1:29:00.080 --> 1:29:06.760
<v Speaker 1>his pants, takes his portable bull press and installs his

1:29:06.920 --> 1:29:12.759
<v Speaker 1>pants button in as his peep site, and then shoots

1:29:12.760 --> 1:29:17.080
<v Speaker 1>and kills a bull with it. Got some real stuff, right,

1:29:17.080 --> 1:29:22.400
<v Speaker 1>there's some woodsman show kills a bull and never never

1:29:22.439 --> 1:29:25.720
<v Speaker 1>say die, sony out. We get in the morning and

1:29:25.760 --> 1:29:28.320
<v Speaker 1>we start working these bulls and we're like it was

1:29:28.400 --> 1:29:30.640
<v Speaker 1>it was like, you know, like those days. It's like

1:29:30.680 --> 1:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>the daisy dream of having right knowing around. We got

1:29:36.680 --> 1:29:38.720
<v Speaker 1>three bulls out in front of us, ripping, and all

1:29:38.720 --> 1:29:40.600
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, we're like trying to keep track of

1:29:40.600 --> 1:29:43.559
<v Speaker 1>who's where Cole's going off, and also there's another bull

1:29:43.640 --> 1:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>coming from behind us. We reposition like this. This new

1:29:49.240 --> 1:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>bulls like shows up out of nowhere, bugling. He kind

1:29:53.200 --> 1:29:56.360
<v Speaker 1>of sweeps through it sort of bypasses us, but like

1:29:56.360 --> 1:29:59.120
<v Speaker 1>he's bypasses us because there's this whole circus going on

1:29:59.160 --> 1:30:00.720
<v Speaker 1>out in front of us, and he's like coming to

1:30:00.800 --> 1:30:04.519
<v Speaker 1>join the good times. But the main good times there

1:30:04.520 --> 1:30:06.439
<v Speaker 1>are the bulls that are in front of us, not us,

1:30:06.520 --> 1:30:09.040
<v Speaker 1>and he kind of but he still comes through, past

1:30:09.040 --> 1:30:13.000
<v Speaker 1>through the hundred yards, goes into join the whole ship

1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:15.800
<v Speaker 1>show going on out in front of us. Eventually, like

1:30:16.400 --> 1:30:18.400
<v Speaker 1>some of these more vocal bowls, they seem to go

1:30:18.520 --> 1:30:22.320
<v Speaker 1>up this slope. We're kind of looking down into a bottom,

1:30:22.320 --> 1:30:24.120
<v Speaker 1>and we were like they kind of bugle up and over,

1:30:24.160 --> 1:30:27.920
<v Speaker 1>and Matt he knows the area a little bit. He's like, man,

1:30:27.960 --> 1:30:29.479
<v Speaker 1>he goes, I know, I bad know where they're going.

1:30:29.960 --> 1:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>So we circle around to try to get out ahead

1:30:33.280 --> 1:30:34.760
<v Speaker 1>of him, thinking like we'll just get out ahead him

1:30:34.760 --> 1:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and try to set up again. And we look across

1:30:36.960 --> 1:30:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the drainage and find this other bowl bedded down out

1:30:40.080 --> 1:30:42.679
<v Speaker 1>in the open, like and it's overcast, it's a cool day,

1:30:43.840 --> 1:30:45.320
<v Speaker 1>and uh, he just beat it out and the open

1:30:45.360 --> 1:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>with two cows feeding right next to him, and we're

1:30:48.000 --> 1:30:50.640
<v Speaker 1>good looking at him all right, man, that thing the

1:30:50.680 --> 1:30:53.880
<v Speaker 1>way he's positioned, like the land features are such that

1:30:53.920 --> 1:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>you just know right where he is, Like it's like

1:30:56.280 --> 1:30:58.759
<v Speaker 1>so obvious where he is. And there's this cliff band

1:30:58.800 --> 1:31:03.639
<v Speaker 1>behind him, and we just drop everything and circle back around.

1:31:03.680 --> 1:31:06.400
<v Speaker 1>It takes us about thirty minutes, and we just know

1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:08.680
<v Speaker 1>exactly where he is because the landscape features are like

1:31:08.720 --> 1:31:11.519
<v Speaker 1>you just can't mess it up. So we go back

1:31:11.560 --> 1:31:15.559
<v Speaker 1>around and get up on this cliff band above him,

1:31:15.600 --> 1:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and we know that we're a hundred ten yards. We

1:31:18.000 --> 1:31:19.760
<v Speaker 1>tell we're a hundred ten yards when we know that

1:31:19.800 --> 1:31:23.000
<v Speaker 1>bulls betted. And I'm on top of this little rock

1:31:23.040 --> 1:31:25.920
<v Speaker 1>pile cliff band. It's not big. You could throw a rock,

1:31:26.120 --> 1:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, and hit a grouse off the edge of

1:31:27.680 --> 1:31:31.519
<v Speaker 1>the cliff band. It's not too far. But I'm up there.

1:31:32.040 --> 1:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>And Matt creeps down to the foot of the cliff band,

1:31:35.160 --> 1:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>thinking there's no way, you know, to take like a

1:31:38.040 --> 1:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>act of god right to call the bull up through

1:31:40.000 --> 1:31:44.160
<v Speaker 1>this thing. But he gets down in there and he

1:31:44.240 --> 1:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and he realized once he downs, he goes, man, I

1:31:46.000 --> 1:31:48.360
<v Speaker 1>feel like I could, He said, I could recognize the

1:31:48.400 --> 1:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>tree that bowl was on under and I even thought

1:31:53.400 --> 1:31:55.360
<v Speaker 1>I could see part of it. It wasn't sure I

1:31:55.360 --> 1:31:57.799
<v Speaker 1>could see part of it. And I ripped a bugle

1:31:57.840 --> 1:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and he said, he's still like he's still trying to

1:31:59.439 --> 1:32:01.759
<v Speaker 1>be like is that the he goaes the minute I bagle,

1:32:01.840 --> 1:32:04.200
<v Speaker 1>that thing just stands up and beagles in his coming,

1:32:05.760 --> 1:32:08.040
<v Speaker 1>like just coming coming so hard that he draws his

1:32:08.080 --> 1:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>bow back. Its because he doesn't want to have to

1:32:10.360 --> 1:32:11.880
<v Speaker 1>get busted when he goes to draw his bow back.

1:32:11.960 --> 1:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Did you even try? A cow calls, I was doing

1:32:14.240 --> 1:32:17.800
<v Speaker 1>the whole littany, I was doing, Yanni potell Us. It

1:32:17.920 --> 1:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>wasn't until you bugle that he came. I feel like

1:32:22.760 --> 1:32:26.240
<v Speaker 1>the first thing I did. I know, the first thing

1:32:26.280 --> 1:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I did was ripped a bugle. I was doing a combo,

1:32:30.720 --> 1:32:34.479
<v Speaker 1>Yanni Phelps. The only thing that made it not a

1:32:34.520 --> 1:32:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Yanni p tells is I wasn't beating brush yet, but

1:32:37.400 --> 1:32:38.880
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna get to that in a minute. He

1:32:38.880 --> 1:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>hadn't rolled. He probably didn't want rolling rocks And knowing

1:32:43.040 --> 1:32:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I got his damn dog tied up. So he hunts

1:32:45.960 --> 1:32:48.080
<v Speaker 1>that little dog. And the dog such a low riding dog,

1:32:48.120 --> 1:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>that little corky the elk can't usually see it anyway,

1:32:50.240 --> 1:32:52.240
<v Speaker 1>And the dog like is the most obedient dog in

1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:54.160
<v Speaker 1>the world. He like, he goes so much like to

1:32:54.240 --> 1:32:56.479
<v Speaker 1>that dog. That dog stands behind him and walks behind

1:32:56.560 --> 1:32:59.599
<v Speaker 1>him like the dog knows what's up, and he knows

1:32:59.640 --> 1:33:02.280
<v Speaker 1>you're hunt Elk. He's part of the team. Part of

1:33:02.280 --> 1:33:04.800
<v Speaker 1>the team. But because we got two of us, and

1:33:04.800 --> 1:33:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'm calling and Matt's going out ahead, I grab

1:33:09.040 --> 1:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>that dog's colling. The dog attacks me because he doesn't

1:33:12.240 --> 1:33:13.680
<v Speaker 1>like to be fired. He doesn't like to be far

1:33:13.760 --> 1:33:15.760
<v Speaker 1>from Matt. So I took a chunk of para cord

1:33:15.800 --> 1:33:17.840
<v Speaker 1>and tied a slipknot around that dog's neck so he

1:33:17.880 --> 1:33:21.120
<v Speaker 1>couldn't get away without strangling himself. And I tied him

1:33:21.160 --> 1:33:23.519
<v Speaker 1>to a bush. And at one point I was trying

1:33:23.560 --> 1:33:25.040
<v Speaker 1>to get a look down in there to see what's

1:33:25.080 --> 1:33:27.320
<v Speaker 1>going on, and I left forward. Bro that broke the

1:33:27.360 --> 1:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>dog's heart because he's like, now that my owner's gone,

1:33:30.320 --> 1:33:31.960
<v Speaker 1>now this guy is leaving too. And I'm tied to

1:33:32.000 --> 1:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>a noose. So then I backed up, and I felt

1:33:34.479 --> 1:33:36.479
<v Speaker 1>so bad for the dog. Just give me this horrible look.

1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>But um yeah, so he's as Susie biggle, then I was.

1:33:39.000 --> 1:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Then I was calling to because then he starts bugling

1:33:40.960 --> 1:33:42.479
<v Speaker 1>and I can hear him down there just ripping. So

1:33:42.520 --> 1:33:45.240
<v Speaker 1>then I'm doing the whole I'm just making the whole show.

1:33:45.960 --> 1:33:48.200
<v Speaker 1>And mattes he draws back the bull acrosses in front

1:33:48.240 --> 1:33:51.599
<v Speaker 1>him at thirty two yards and he's gonna walk right through,

1:33:52.120 --> 1:33:55.360
<v Speaker 1>and Matt just game a little whistle noise just because

1:33:55.560 --> 1:33:58.599
<v Speaker 1>just to stop him. The bull stops and Matt shoots,

1:33:59.520 --> 1:34:01.759
<v Speaker 1>and I hear like the shot, I hear the boom,

1:34:01.920 --> 1:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>the pumpkin thump, and I'm like, hell yeah, man, I

1:34:04.920 --> 1:34:08.640
<v Speaker 1>come running down and Matt's all distraught, see like he

1:34:08.680 --> 1:34:11.519
<v Speaker 1>didn't see the arrow hit. And he's like, man, I

1:34:11.520 --> 1:34:13.280
<v Speaker 1>feel like if it like if it didn't hit where

1:34:13.320 --> 1:34:15.400
<v Speaker 1>I was looking, I don't know where, you know. He's

1:34:15.439 --> 1:34:18.120
<v Speaker 1>all worked up. The dog. He's trying to trail the

1:34:18.160 --> 1:34:21.000
<v Speaker 1>out the dogs like already gone because his dog is

1:34:21.000 --> 1:34:23.880
<v Speaker 1>a trail. This dog trails elk. He like his dog

1:34:23.920 --> 1:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>is incredible shifty. So he's like telling his dog to

1:34:28.000 --> 1:34:29.519
<v Speaker 1>get back. And we went and took a nap on

1:34:29.560 --> 1:34:33.080
<v Speaker 1>a rock um and I'm laying there taking my nap

1:34:33.120 --> 1:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>and one point looking at dogs. It's got his nose

1:34:35.240 --> 1:34:36.880
<v Speaker 1>up in the air and his dog is like dying

1:34:36.920 --> 1:34:39.320
<v Speaker 1>to go, and he's like just sniffing air. And I

1:34:39.360 --> 1:34:41.920
<v Speaker 1>stipped to him like it smells like a dead whatever

1:34:41.960 --> 1:34:44.040
<v Speaker 1>a dead bull smells like. It smells like a dead bull.

1:34:44.040 --> 1:34:49.800
<v Speaker 1>It smells like hot blood bull is like the strongest,

1:34:49.880 --> 1:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>most potent elk smell you could smell. And even the

1:34:53.479 --> 1:34:55.720
<v Speaker 1>dogs like, dude, what in the world, what are these

1:34:55.760 --> 1:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>guys doing? And Matt's like curled up and think about

1:34:58.400 --> 1:35:00.400
<v Speaker 1>taking a picture of Matt sleeping out of in the

1:35:00.400 --> 1:35:03.519
<v Speaker 1>fetal position, and you know, you always go to negativity, know,

1:35:03.560 --> 1:35:07.479
<v Speaker 1>because it's the best place to go. Uh. And meanwhile,

1:35:07.520 --> 1:35:09.799
<v Speaker 1>the things just laying dead right there, like it wrapped

1:35:09.800 --> 1:35:11.599
<v Speaker 1>around the hill and fell over dead. And so when

1:35:11.600 --> 1:35:13.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm laying there thinking, like my god, that smells like

1:35:13.760 --> 1:35:16.320
<v Speaker 1>the windward shifting. I get the smell like that has

1:35:16.360 --> 1:35:18.240
<v Speaker 1>to be like an elk right there, We're laying like

1:35:18.280 --> 1:35:21.800
<v Speaker 1>forty yards from this elk was just like right there. Yeah,

1:35:21.840 --> 1:35:23.960
<v Speaker 1>because the way we went to find a rock to

1:35:24.000 --> 1:35:25.680
<v Speaker 1>sleep on, like when he shot the bull, the bull

1:35:25.760 --> 1:35:28.080
<v Speaker 1>wrapped around a little mound and we kind of went

1:35:28.200 --> 1:35:32.120
<v Speaker 1>on the mound, do you know what I'm saying. Then

1:35:32.160 --> 1:35:34.360
<v Speaker 1>we went like back down off the mound fund the

1:35:34.360 --> 1:35:37.200
<v Speaker 1>blood trail and basically wrapped around and a half loop

1:35:37.960 --> 1:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>to like back around it almost like where we just were.

1:35:41.479 --> 1:35:43.360
<v Speaker 1>And we're going at first, there's no blood mats like

1:35:43.400 --> 1:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I knew it. I blew it on the worst person

1:35:45.040 --> 1:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>on the planet. But also there's like a big pile

1:35:47.000 --> 1:35:49.439
<v Speaker 1>of blood, and I'm thinking, because I'm already in a

1:35:49.479 --> 1:35:52.320
<v Speaker 1>spotted negativity feeding off his negativity, that you don't even

1:35:52.320 --> 1:35:55.840
<v Speaker 1>get a bad hit on something that there's like no blood.

1:35:55.880 --> 1:35:57.519
<v Speaker 1>But then you find blood. It's only because it stood

1:35:57.520 --> 1:36:00.320
<v Speaker 1>there for an hour trying to figure out what's going on,

1:36:00.479 --> 1:36:02.400
<v Speaker 1>and you find that pile of blood, and you're like,

1:36:02.520 --> 1:36:04.400
<v Speaker 1>this will be the last blood we find, because he

1:36:04.479 --> 1:36:07.080
<v Speaker 1>stopped and stood here for forty five minutes seeing what's

1:36:07.080 --> 1:36:09.880
<v Speaker 1>going on, and then he clots up and walks off,

1:36:09.960 --> 1:36:12.479
<v Speaker 1>and it was just a muscle wound. And we see

1:36:12.520 --> 1:36:14.960
<v Speaker 1>this big pile of blood. And then I almost got

1:36:15.000 --> 1:36:17.000
<v Speaker 1>like a more negative feeling because I was like, oh,

1:36:17.120 --> 1:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>he's stopped and stood. It's never good when they stop

1:36:20.200 --> 1:36:22.679
<v Speaker 1>and stand. But then I look and the dogs licking

1:36:22.760 --> 1:36:24.559
<v Speaker 1>up a pile of blood looks like the size of

1:36:24.560 --> 1:36:29.240
<v Speaker 1>a TV tray, and the dogs like eating blood. And

1:36:29.280 --> 1:36:31.680
<v Speaker 1>then the dog moves along and I look and here's

1:36:31.720 --> 1:36:33.200
<v Speaker 1>the bull all tangled up. I mean, this thing was

1:36:33.240 --> 1:36:35.800
<v Speaker 1>like we're like taking a nap like this, just like

1:36:36.040 --> 1:36:38.240
<v Speaker 1>it's all like very confined. It was all this right there.

1:36:38.280 --> 1:36:39.639
<v Speaker 1>He's just like land here dead or dead. I don't

1:36:39.640 --> 1:36:42.679
<v Speaker 1>know how he didn't hear it. Pilo got it all

1:36:42.880 --> 1:36:46.240
<v Speaker 1>caught up and Matt have any uh. He he gave

1:36:46.280 --> 1:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>me a He gave me a hug. He wanted to

1:36:48.880 --> 1:36:52.479
<v Speaker 1>have a hug. He gave me a long hug. Mean

1:36:52.479 --> 1:36:54.400
<v Speaker 1>while the damn dog doesn't even realize that elk standing

1:36:54.400 --> 1:36:56.360
<v Speaker 1>there because the dog wants to eat all the blood

1:36:56.360 --> 1:36:58.839
<v Speaker 1>as it goes along. So it's like laughing up blood,

1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:01.439
<v Speaker 1>bulls lander every He's all happy. He had a big hug,

1:37:02.200 --> 1:37:05.880
<v Speaker 1>cut it all up when got his llamas um, brought

1:37:05.880 --> 1:37:07.599
<v Speaker 1>it back to where we were sleeping, hung it up

1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:10.840
<v Speaker 1>in a tree. Get the alcohol in a tree, so

1:37:11.040 --> 1:37:13.720
<v Speaker 1>let us go have a look. Worked another bowl, no

1:37:14.960 --> 1:37:17.080
<v Speaker 1>screaming his face off. He comes and I couldn't see

1:37:17.080 --> 1:37:18.599
<v Speaker 1>in the way he came in. He probably came seventy

1:37:18.960 --> 1:37:22.400
<v Speaker 1>seventy yards before he goldsted off, slept, woke up, and

1:37:22.439 --> 1:37:23.920
<v Speaker 1>here's where the here's what the bad part of the

1:37:23.960 --> 1:37:27.479
<v Speaker 1>story happens. All night. I can't sleep because the bulls

1:37:27.560 --> 1:37:31.519
<v Speaker 1>ripping like it's like they're it's like they're ripping in

1:37:31.640 --> 1:37:36.920
<v Speaker 1>our in our tent man, and then coles keep getting

1:37:36.960 --> 1:37:39.000
<v Speaker 1>like they know we're like sleeping there, so like you're

1:37:39.000 --> 1:37:43.000
<v Speaker 1>like you fall asleep and a like warning barking. You

1:37:43.040 --> 1:37:44.960
<v Speaker 1>think like they're all gonna leave, but they like don't leave.

1:37:46.160 --> 1:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>It's the weird night. And I'm just like, dude, this

1:37:48.439 --> 1:37:52.000
<v Speaker 1>is the most amazing thing. And we get up and

1:37:52.040 --> 1:37:53.519
<v Speaker 1>we had to be hunting this place where is a

1:37:53.640 --> 1:37:57.679
<v Speaker 1>there's like there's seasonal motorized motorized used through this area

1:37:59.120 --> 1:38:02.320
<v Speaker 1>and this this kind of such a weird story. Man,

1:38:02.439 --> 1:38:05.080
<v Speaker 1>I almost hesitated to get into it. There's an outfitter

1:38:05.120 --> 1:38:07.200
<v Speaker 1>to hunts this area, but he does drop camp stuff.

1:38:07.280 --> 1:38:10.160
<v Speaker 1>But he has this very big gass drop camp and

1:38:10.200 --> 1:38:13.680
<v Speaker 1>he generally hikes in hike hunters and sets up this

1:38:13.720 --> 1:38:15.840
<v Speaker 1>big drop camp and guys hunt out of this big

1:38:15.920 --> 1:38:18.960
<v Speaker 1>drop camp. Somehow, this guy he used to not allow

1:38:19.080 --> 1:38:20.920
<v Speaker 1>dudes to do this, but somehow he opened it up

1:38:20.920 --> 1:38:26.559
<v Speaker 1>and allows motorcycle guys. Now, like a horse pack in

1:38:27.400 --> 1:38:34.040
<v Speaker 1>drop camp inhabited by guys on dirt bikes. Yeah, it's

1:38:34.080 --> 1:38:37.200
<v Speaker 1>just right. Whatever whatever he used not allowed, now he

1:38:37.200 --> 1:38:40.280
<v Speaker 1>allows it, right, Okay, so he'll pack in a big

1:38:40.360 --> 1:38:44.320
<v Speaker 1>he'll pack in his wall, tense and everything established this

1:38:44.400 --> 1:38:48.240
<v Speaker 1>big base camp where he can go fetch elk on mules.

1:38:48.240 --> 1:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>But then guys can ride into the camp on dirt

1:38:50.760 --> 1:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>bikes because they're scared of grizzlies. So they like to

1:38:54.080 --> 1:38:56.760
<v Speaker 1>have a big, elaborate place to go sleep at night

1:38:56.760 --> 1:38:59.280
<v Speaker 1>where they don't have to be scared of grizzlies. They

1:38:59.320 --> 1:39:01.200
<v Speaker 1>don't want to sleep out like just out in the mountains.

1:39:01.240 --> 1:39:02.680
<v Speaker 1>They want to sleep at like a big place with

1:39:02.720 --> 1:39:05.439
<v Speaker 1>all this hubbub going on. Yeah, and he's got a

1:39:05.479 --> 1:39:08.679
<v Speaker 1>big guy. He's got a big electric fence around the camp. Yeah.

1:39:08.800 --> 1:39:11.200
<v Speaker 1>So these guys, these dirt bike guys, are scared of grizzlies,

1:39:11.240 --> 1:39:13.680
<v Speaker 1>but they want to hunt the area. One of these

1:39:13.680 --> 1:39:16.799
<v Speaker 1>guys was saying once that he can't even go, uh,

1:39:16.880 --> 1:39:19.160
<v Speaker 1>he can't even go drop a deuce without bringing someone

1:39:19.200 --> 1:39:23.280
<v Speaker 1>with me, so scared of grizzlies. So he's not that's

1:39:23.280 --> 1:39:26.479
<v Speaker 1>not a comfortable experience. Now, and we're in this meadow

1:39:26.520 --> 1:39:28.519
<v Speaker 1>and he's elkmen ripping online in this meadow, and we

1:39:28.600 --> 1:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>get up in the dark and we're getting we go

1:39:30.520 --> 1:39:32.799
<v Speaker 1>up into the edge of the timber, so we're looking

1:39:32.840 --> 1:39:34.880
<v Speaker 1>down and we're like, Okay, as soon as the light

1:39:34.920 --> 1:39:37.080
<v Speaker 1>comes up, we're gonna see what's going on and make

1:39:37.080 --> 1:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>a plan and all some and again, man, this trail

1:39:43.120 --> 1:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>is open up until something it's seasonally open, not to

1:39:47.439 --> 1:39:51.960
<v Speaker 1>its seasonally opened up to dirt bikes. And Matt's like

1:39:52.000 --> 1:39:54.920
<v Speaker 1>he just wants to drift off the trail, and I'm like,

1:39:55.120 --> 1:39:58.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm like mildly annoyed, and I stopped and express my

1:39:58.280 --> 1:40:02.519
<v Speaker 1>annoyance to the dirt biker. But it's like I feel

1:40:02.520 --> 1:40:05.120
<v Speaker 1>bad about it because it is legal. But it's like,

1:40:05.160 --> 1:40:06.720
<v Speaker 1>it'd be legal for me to be up there with

1:40:06.760 --> 1:40:14.800
<v Speaker 1>a marching band. Uh If if I determined that it

1:40:14.880 --> 1:40:18.240
<v Speaker 1>was most effective to hunt with a marching band, it

1:40:18.240 --> 1:40:20.240
<v Speaker 1>would be legal for me to be up there with

1:40:20.320 --> 1:40:23.280
<v Speaker 1>a marching band. It's not illegal as long as you're

1:40:23.320 --> 1:40:29.560
<v Speaker 1>not having like a gathering for oh, exp'd be oversized. Okay,

1:40:29.880 --> 1:40:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I could legally be up there with a five man

1:40:31.880 --> 1:40:34.200
<v Speaker 1>marching band with a trumpeter, like like I could have

1:40:34.280 --> 1:40:36.840
<v Speaker 1>a trumpeter, I could have the cavalry. I'm not breaking law.

1:40:36.920 --> 1:40:41.360
<v Speaker 1>So it's like we're not debating legality. It's not. It's like, sure,

1:40:41.439 --> 1:40:43.760
<v Speaker 1>there's all kinds of stuff that's legal, But is it

1:40:43.920 --> 1:40:47.920
<v Speaker 1>smart when you're in like the prime and I know

1:40:47.960 --> 1:40:50.679
<v Speaker 1>where they camp there's we're in it. The elk eventually

1:40:50.680 --> 1:40:54.599
<v Speaker 1>move out, but they're in it, Like is that smart? Like?

1:40:54.720 --> 1:40:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Or is it better to maybe wait till eleven in

1:40:56.840 --> 1:41:00.320
<v Speaker 1>the morning and do your travel on a motor cycle

1:41:00.360 --> 1:41:03.360
<v Speaker 1>and not blow through and you can't hear the thing.

1:41:03.400 --> 1:41:07.000
<v Speaker 1>It's hunting spots or hunting elk, right, It's like you

1:41:07.120 --> 1:41:09.719
<v Speaker 1>when you're when you're on it, you can't hear bugling,

1:41:11.360 --> 1:41:16.240
<v Speaker 1>so you're blowing through. You're you're like, you're blowing through

1:41:16.360 --> 1:41:19.599
<v Speaker 1>a meadow. Were elker ripping and you don't know they're ripping?

1:41:20.520 --> 1:41:23.280
<v Speaker 1>It's just what you said. The guy's hunting a spot,

1:41:23.439 --> 1:41:26.360
<v Speaker 1>he's not hunting elk, right, So he's like, I go

1:41:26.439 --> 1:41:28.880
<v Speaker 1>to this spot and there's usually elk there, so I

1:41:28.880 --> 1:41:32.000
<v Speaker 1>gotta get to that spot. And by making that choice,

1:41:32.520 --> 1:41:40.320
<v Speaker 1>you have then eliminated for most circumstances, you've you've eliminated

1:41:40.600 --> 1:41:45.639
<v Speaker 1>hunting elk in the transition zone between trailhead and the

1:41:45.880 --> 1:41:48.400
<v Speaker 1>spot that you're going. No, I feel horrible about it.

1:41:48.400 --> 1:41:51.479
<v Speaker 1>I feel horrible about you said where are you camping?

1:41:51.520 --> 1:41:55.479
<v Speaker 1>I said, right here? But did you ask the guy

1:41:55.520 --> 1:41:58.200
<v Speaker 1>what his motivation was to be ripped? Ripping on the

1:41:58.520 --> 1:42:01.000
<v Speaker 1>said he's headed off, he goes old works, we're headed

1:42:02.280 --> 1:42:04.680
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean, how would he know. I just

1:42:04.680 --> 1:42:06.559
<v Speaker 1>feel bad about it. I feel bad about it. It

1:42:06.680 --> 1:42:10.599
<v Speaker 1>is because I've been at trailheads. I killed the bowl,

1:42:10.800 --> 1:42:14.080
<v Speaker 1>none of the we're nowhere near a trailhead. Um, but

1:42:14.200 --> 1:42:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I started at a trailhead with a guy unloading his

1:42:18.280 --> 1:42:22.640
<v Speaker 1>motorbike and I've thrown my backpack and start as I

1:42:22.680 --> 1:42:24.200
<v Speaker 1>have to go down the trail, and he gets like, well,

1:42:24.200 --> 1:42:27.080
<v Speaker 1>where are you going. I'm like, well, I'm heading down

1:42:27.080 --> 1:42:29.240
<v Speaker 1>the trail till I hear a bugle. Well, I was

1:42:29.320 --> 1:42:31.800
<v Speaker 1>going down this trail. I was like, man, you can.

1:42:32.880 --> 1:42:35.120
<v Speaker 1>And I knew that country very well, and I'm like,

1:42:35.680 --> 1:42:38.960
<v Speaker 1>you can drive a hundred and fifty miles on this trail.

1:42:41.160 --> 1:42:46.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, ums around, I'm not, I'm not gonna get

1:42:46.280 --> 1:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>that far. I'm like, I'm sure you're gonna get further

1:42:49.000 --> 1:42:53.439
<v Speaker 1>than I am. Um, you know it's pitch black and

1:42:53.439 --> 1:42:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and um. I never did see the guy that that day,

1:42:56.920 --> 1:43:01.360
<v Speaker 1>but went about, um, several miles further than I should do,

1:43:01.479 --> 1:43:05.360
<v Speaker 1>and I killed a bowl that morning. Yeah, I don't

1:43:05.360 --> 1:43:06.720
<v Speaker 1>know what. I still don't know. I feel, like I said,

1:43:06.720 --> 1:43:08.439
<v Speaker 1>I feel guilty about it, because like you know, I

1:43:08.439 --> 1:43:10.000
<v Speaker 1>feel guilty about it, but I also feel like, come

1:43:10.000 --> 1:43:14.240
<v Speaker 1>on man, Yeah, but I mean that's the nice part though,

1:43:14.240 --> 1:43:17.280
<v Speaker 1>is you know that they're gonna miss plenty of opportunities

1:43:17.400 --> 1:43:20.360
<v Speaker 1>using that means to travel, and they're gonna find opportunities

1:43:20.400 --> 1:43:23.200
<v Speaker 1>that you're not using that means to travel. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>smart thing would have been just to do it, just

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<v Speaker 1>to slip off, just the ghost off the trail and

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<v Speaker 1>then rip a big old bugle. What if he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>hunting and he just decided to be at dawn, I

1:43:34.000 --> 1:43:37.040
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have cared at all. Right, there's plenty of dudes

1:43:37.080 --> 1:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>in those little evil kinevil suits driving those trails, and

1:43:39.920 --> 1:43:44.200
<v Speaker 1>during the daytime a motorbikes. I would look like, that's

1:43:44.240 --> 1:43:47.200
<v Speaker 1>not even that's not my business. Is like, yeah, there's

1:43:47.240 --> 1:43:49.640
<v Speaker 1>plenty of pleasure riders. But the thing the assumption you

1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:53.559
<v Speaker 1>make is like they're usually in the cold gray light

1:43:53.600 --> 1:43:58.120
<v Speaker 1>of dawn. Turn it out right, they kind of go

1:43:58.280 --> 1:44:01.160
<v Speaker 1>there like they ride out in the daytime pleasure cruising.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what struck me as weird as like you're hunting,

1:44:05.479 --> 1:44:08.599
<v Speaker 1>you're hunting that zoom Walt deal. We would get up

1:44:08.640 --> 1:44:16.400
<v Speaker 1>at normal wear ely archery, elk season hunting time, you know,

1:44:16.560 --> 1:44:22.400
<v Speaker 1>four am, wake up, and then basically have get our

1:44:22.400 --> 1:44:25.559
<v Speaker 1>gear ready, get sandwiches ready for the day. I have

1:44:25.600 --> 1:44:29.360
<v Speaker 1>a couple of cups coffee, wait for it to start

1:44:29.439 --> 1:44:34.160
<v Speaker 1>getting light, and then get going, just based off the

1:44:34.160 --> 1:44:38.400
<v Speaker 1>fact that we know if we tried to go anywhere

1:44:38.439 --> 1:44:41.160
<v Speaker 1>at night, we'd be bumping out the whole time. You know,

1:44:42.000 --> 1:44:44.679
<v Speaker 1>me and Yanni were in the exact opposite situation yesterday

1:44:44.680 --> 1:44:47.559
<v Speaker 1>where we were we went out in the morning to

1:44:47.640 --> 1:44:50.280
<v Speaker 1>a state chunk to do some rifle shooting. We met

1:44:50.360 --> 1:44:52.559
<v Speaker 1>up there at seven thirty am to do some gun shooting,

1:44:53.479 --> 1:44:57.320
<v Speaker 1>and it turns out there there was some dudes trying

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<v Speaker 1>to bow hunt, just eight section and they came and

1:45:01.680 --> 1:45:05.000
<v Speaker 1>expressed there. One of them came and expressed his displeasure. Yeah,

1:45:05.200 --> 1:45:09.439
<v Speaker 1>seven thirty in the morning, you gotta come out shooting guns. Yeah,

1:45:10.120 --> 1:45:15.640
<v Speaker 1>early September multi use and we're kind of like, yeah,

1:45:15.680 --> 1:45:19.160
<v Speaker 1>I got you, I got you. It's like I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like it's legal. I was like, yeah, that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>made me feel bad. It kind of makes me feel

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<v Speaker 1>like dah now for sure. And the thing is too, like,

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<v Speaker 1>if there had been any sign I think that somebody

1:45:31.640 --> 1:45:34.280
<v Speaker 1>was haunting it, we probably would have made Plan B. Definitely,

1:45:34.560 --> 1:45:37.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, but there we had no idea. No, and

1:45:37.280 --> 1:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>if I had known, you know. But then I was like,

1:45:39.240 --> 1:45:41.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, it says you have these weird interactions. It's

1:45:41.680 --> 1:45:43.800
<v Speaker 1>it'd always be better if someone could tell you, hey,

1:45:43.840 --> 1:45:46.240
<v Speaker 1>tomorrow you're gonna have a weird interaction and here's what's

1:45:46.240 --> 1:45:48.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna happen. Then you can plan out like, oh, here's

1:45:48.760 --> 1:45:50.880
<v Speaker 1>what I'll do when I had that interaction, I'll be

1:45:50.920 --> 1:45:54.519
<v Speaker 1>real cool. Yeah, and I'll have you know, I'll express

1:45:54.560 --> 1:45:57.519
<v Speaker 1>this complex. That wouldn't be much fun. He said, you're

1:45:57.520 --> 1:46:04.920
<v Speaker 1>like dah legal. One last question here. I know we

1:46:05.000 --> 1:46:08.400
<v Speaker 1>got to wrap it up, but um, did you miss

1:46:08.439 --> 1:46:13.240
<v Speaker 1>your production crew? No? Just your brother. No, I didn't

1:46:13.240 --> 1:46:16.839
<v Speaker 1>miss anything about it. I took some cell phone videos.

1:46:17.640 --> 1:46:23.000
<v Speaker 1>It was so good being back out with my brother. Yeah, dude,

1:46:23.000 --> 1:46:24.760
<v Speaker 1>it was so good. That's why I didn't even want

1:46:24.760 --> 1:46:29.760
<v Speaker 1>to shoot. I just wanted to have, you know, let

1:46:29.800 --> 1:46:33.040
<v Speaker 1>him you know, party wasn't thinking if I just nose

1:46:33.120 --> 1:46:34.840
<v Speaker 1>over this Cliff a little bit. I might be able

1:46:34.920 --> 1:46:37.960
<v Speaker 1>to snag that bowl out from I was enjoying myself

1:46:37.960 --> 1:46:41.280
<v Speaker 1>so much I didn't want to shoot. That's awesome. I

1:46:41.320 --> 1:46:45.760
<v Speaker 1>love it, dude. It was fun. Man. He's a good hunter. Man. Yeah,

1:46:46.479 --> 1:46:49.479
<v Speaker 1>he's a good hunter, like just because like the just

1:46:49.600 --> 1:46:57.519
<v Speaker 1>the girl I love map out there an enormous amount

1:46:57.640 --> 1:47:00.960
<v Speaker 1>of gur It sounds like a headcase. So like he

1:47:01.000 --> 1:47:03.679
<v Speaker 1>does a lot of Like, dude, he bowls, having beat

1:47:03.800 --> 1:47:06.800
<v Speaker 1>before he gets on the trail. No, he's like mad Jack.

1:47:06.800 --> 1:47:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Remember Grizzly Adams. Yeah, he's like a crazy guy. Water

1:47:10.160 --> 1:47:12.680
<v Speaker 1>and the hill man, I'm sure he's got I'm sure

1:47:12.720 --> 1:47:14.479
<v Speaker 1>to be like. Oh, and there's an insane person that

1:47:14.600 --> 1:47:16.639
<v Speaker 1>wanders the hills out here. You'll see him. He uses

1:47:16.680 --> 1:47:20.280
<v Speaker 1>an alcohol stove and takes his time cooking. Yeah, like

1:47:20.439 --> 1:47:23.760
<v Speaker 1>to listen for bugles. He's got a button for he's

1:47:23.760 --> 1:47:27.639
<v Speaker 1>got his pants button. And you'll know his camp because

1:47:27.680 --> 1:47:32.040
<v Speaker 1>there would be fifty half gallon bottles of vodka and

1:47:32.160 --> 1:47:35.479
<v Speaker 1>gins thrown about. But he's not drinking at all. No,

1:47:35.760 --> 1:47:38.200
<v Speaker 1>he's for carrying water. That's one thing I laughed about

1:47:38.720 --> 1:47:40.240
<v Speaker 1>because he when he packs him as long as they

1:47:40.280 --> 1:47:41.880
<v Speaker 1>got they don't have that much to carry. So he

1:47:41.920 --> 1:47:45.040
<v Speaker 1>packs in tons of water and he drinks gin and tonics,

1:47:45.600 --> 1:47:48.599
<v Speaker 1>and so all his water bottles are two Leader tonic

1:47:48.640 --> 1:47:52.040
<v Speaker 1>bottles and in half gallon vodka bottles. And if you look,

1:47:52.080 --> 1:47:55.040
<v Speaker 1>you can see the ratio when he empties his panniers out,

1:47:55.120 --> 1:47:57.839
<v Speaker 1>you can see the ratio of like his ratio of vodka,

1:47:57.960 --> 1:48:01.920
<v Speaker 1>like it takes him like three. It takes him like

1:48:02.040 --> 1:48:05.479
<v Speaker 1>three two lead bottles a tonic to get through a

1:48:05.520 --> 1:48:08.719
<v Speaker 1>half gallon of vodka. So the ratio is like fixed

1:48:08.720 --> 1:48:12.640
<v Speaker 1>would be like six half gallons of vodka and eighteen

1:48:13.000 --> 1:48:16.559
<v Speaker 1>bottles of tonic, all full of drinking waters in a pile.

1:48:16.680 --> 1:48:18.840
<v Speaker 1>He just like throws him in a big pile. You're

1:48:18.840 --> 1:48:21.360
<v Speaker 1>always looking at a good time, are you? If you

1:48:21.479 --> 1:48:24.400
<v Speaker 1>roll'd be like one of these alcoholics. But they're all

1:48:24.400 --> 1:48:26.160
<v Speaker 1>like you can tell, he's been using all these bottles

1:48:26.200 --> 1:48:30.479
<v Speaker 1>for like years. At one time got him turned down

1:48:30.520 --> 1:48:32.719
<v Speaker 1>to these army water bottles, and he had some reason

1:48:32.760 --> 1:48:34.600
<v Speaker 1>he didn't like him, like he didn't like he's like

1:48:34.640 --> 1:48:37.040
<v Speaker 1>he much prefers a good two Leader bottle with the

1:48:37.160 --> 1:48:41.680
<v Speaker 1>label still at it. Dude, he's a good hunter man.

1:48:41.680 --> 1:48:44.240
<v Speaker 1>He's good hunter. He's good hunter because he's like methodic.

1:48:45.320 --> 1:48:47.360
<v Speaker 1>He's just a good hunter because just like the girl,

1:48:49.280 --> 1:48:54.040
<v Speaker 1>he just just goes and goes and goes and doesn't care.

1:48:55.479 --> 1:48:57.280
<v Speaker 1>It's like you could be like, oh, you know if

1:48:57.280 --> 1:49:01.559
<v Speaker 1>you woke up and someone stole his boot. Right, he's

1:49:01.600 --> 1:49:05.840
<v Speaker 1>just being but he's prepared for it. He's prepared. My

1:49:05.880 --> 1:49:08.880
<v Speaker 1>boot's gone and he would just still hunt. Man, he's

1:49:08.920 --> 1:49:10.760
<v Speaker 1>prepared for that. With the way at the rate that

1:49:10.800 --> 1:49:13.640
<v Speaker 1>he loses pieces of gear, he usually has two or

1:49:13.680 --> 1:49:17.519
<v Speaker 1>three pairs of foot wear with him. Yeah, he'd like

1:49:17.600 --> 1:49:20.720
<v Speaker 1>kill a lum and rapids, hide around his foot and

1:49:20.800 --> 1:49:23.479
<v Speaker 1>hunt another couple of days. Yeah, that cracks me up. Man,

1:49:23.640 --> 1:49:28.080
<v Speaker 1>get to taken care of thom. Uh yeah, good jobs.

1:49:28.200 --> 1:49:31.400
<v Speaker 1>That's probably the first boy you've ever called in for

1:49:31.400 --> 1:49:35.400
<v Speaker 1>for a kill. Yeah yeah, yeah, good job. I learned everything.

1:49:35.880 --> 1:49:40.400
<v Speaker 1>I learned everything. It's pretty sweet Montana home coming, right,

1:49:40.479 --> 1:49:42.800
<v Speaker 1>that's your first now, because we used to go out

1:49:42.840 --> 1:49:44.320
<v Speaker 1>and just try to get out and we killed elk

1:49:44.400 --> 1:49:45.720
<v Speaker 1>like that, but just go out and get out in

1:49:45.760 --> 1:49:47.280
<v Speaker 1>front of him and then that doesn't work and get

1:49:47.280 --> 1:49:48.760
<v Speaker 1>out in front of them. But dude, it's so much

1:49:48.840 --> 1:49:53.360
<v Speaker 1>more fun. So much more fun, cool cool, so much

1:49:53.360 --> 1:49:57.320
<v Speaker 1>more fun. Things last longer. Oh yeah, when I first

1:49:57.360 --> 1:49:59.640
<v Speaker 1>met you, you thought the calling out just made him

1:49:59.680 --> 1:50:04.679
<v Speaker 1>run the the direction. For us, we had those same

1:50:04.800 --> 1:50:07.559
<v Speaker 1>preemost bite and blowcall everybody else head. We don't know

1:50:07.560 --> 1:50:09.559
<v Speaker 1>how to use it. You'd like blow that in it

1:50:09.560 --> 1:50:16.559
<v Speaker 1>as the answer. You hear that. Oh that's good, Johnny,

1:50:17.040 --> 1:50:22.000
<v Speaker 1>that's a good warring. Do your morning call again, far

1:50:22.080 --> 1:50:32.280
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