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Speaker 1: tell everybody about your road kill moose story? Sure? Can? Steve?

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Speaker 1: Go ahead? I was on my way home hard day

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Speaker 1: of work. Yeah, it was late, actually it was that

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Speaker 1: after six beautiful day though. I remember because I was

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Speaker 1: I was actually on my way to meet my neighbor

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Speaker 1: because is the post production team needed a piece of metal, um,

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Speaker 1: some food that they were going to be shooting, and

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Speaker 1: they wanted a different background. And as you know, my neighbor, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you gotta plug his business right anyone living in there.

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Speaker 1: Barton of Southwest Montana, Barton Fabrication, You need any sort

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Speaker 1: of welding, cool metal work type done. Steve had a

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Speaker 1: what's that thing called it's a long list. He made

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Speaker 1: my three sixteen inch thick garden boxes on a welded

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Speaker 1: steel plate, which your coolest ship. Yeah, they looked nice.

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Speaker 1: He made. He he does like fancy houses, I should

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Speaker 1: point out, but I have him do like low grade stuff.

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Speaker 1: So he did that. He we. I had a stainless

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Speaker 1: steel trompo, which is like when you're in Mexico and

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Speaker 1: hunks of meat onto a street taco. I think more

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Speaker 1: people would uh understand it though, if you just said,

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Speaker 1: it was very odd, very odd animal behavior. Then Anthony,

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Speaker 1: us all the time. I'm Anthony Locata. I'm editor in

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Speaker 1: chief here at meat Eater. There you go, olcome. Thanks, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: nice to have you first Meteator podcast. Yeah, yeah, I've been,

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Speaker 1: uh but you sat with us the other day. Ye

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Speaker 1: sat the other day, And I've been on a honey

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Speaker 1: collect a couple of times. But I've been working remotely

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Speaker 1: But finally I'm here in Bozeman, so you'll be able

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Speaker 1: Chaffs is like, literally, well, now, why did he not

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Speaker 1: someone were kicked out some of carpet fiber, stupid stuff

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00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: like that. So but they're left. There was a there

423
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: was a bigfoot sample that turned out to be carpet fiber, right,

424
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 1: plastic fiber. They think it was carpet fiber. Right, So

425
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: they end up with thirty seven and use genetic testing

426
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: and all these other scientific methods to identify what they are.

427
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: And these these things came from Russia, from Arizona, from Washington, Texas, Oregon, India.

428
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: Turns out they're all animals we know and well, polar bear,

429
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: brown bear, horses, cows, black bears, a lot of black bears, raccoons.

430
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: One of the samples came from a human, so it

431
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: must have been somebody with very glorious locks, bigfoot like locks.

432
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: Maybe somebody with dreads. I don't know, um porcupine save

433
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: dirts back and probably get dude if I saw if

434
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't with dirt, I saw him coming through the

435
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: was that shoot? It's real. Yeah, coyotes, cows, dogs, wolves,

436
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: but alas, not a single big foot. It sounds like

437
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: a conspiracy. Not one freaking big foot in the whole

438
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: stack of hair sample. No, not one big foot. They had.

439
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: They had three that they at first couldn't identify, and

440
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: they were thinking maybe it was like a highbread between

441
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: a grizzly and a polar bear. But it turns out

442
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: they were just polar bear hairs as well. You know

443
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: what the good part about this is what this will

444
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: not change anyone's no no like big big foot. Dude

445
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: is gonna be like, ah, never mind, I guess they're right.

446
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: There is no big foot. There's no there's somebody staring

447
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: in their shoe box right now, being like, yeah, but

448
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: they haven't seen that. They have to see what I

449
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: found bag in my yard. Uh, guy rode in um

450
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: tell about his dad was going to buy a motorcycle

451
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: and their lording down the trailer and one thing leaves

452
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: you another and uh, one thing leaves you another. Any

453
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: in the trailer shifts? No, the I don't know he's

454
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: lowing a motorcycle into a trailer. One thing leads another

455
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: and his finger comes off his His ring finger on

456
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: his right hand was severed between the distal interphilangeal joint

457
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: and the proximal inter philangeal joint. And the dude he

458
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: was buying the motorcycle off of his dog ate it

459
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: and he wants to know. Um, he doesn't. He's doing

460
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: more than just telling the story. He's like, this happened

461
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: to you. What feelings did you have towards the dog

462
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: partial ownership? Would you be piste? He says, Um if

463
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: someone later told me that man, had you just grabbed

464
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: that before that dog ate it, we could have just

465
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: reattached it and you wouldn't have it. Now I would

466
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: be pissed. Could you get that? Can you make that

467
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: dog puke, or get it out of its stomach and

468
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: put it on. That'd be even better. My brother's dog

469
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: Shifty ate it. You could have killed Shifty and cut

470
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: it open and that dog would have been fine. The

471
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 1: finger would have been fine, because that dog eats stuff

472
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: and doesn't chew it. You can give it a big

473
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: strip like whatever. The other day I had, I gave

474
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: it a we we were out hunting and we had

475
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: some smoke Canada goosebreast, and the dog was like dying,

476
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: you could tell as hungry as I'll get out. And

477
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: I peeled away the skin off of smoke goosebreast and

478
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: it like, I didn't even pretend to chew it. It

479
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: just gone, not even one chew. When I was a kid,

480
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: I had a lab that I was eating a popsicle

481
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: right yeah, and I said it too low. Lab came

482
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: out boom gone. Two days later, popsicle stick came out.

483
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: Strip stripped soccer right off at though as looking at

484
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: like you could like you could use it again, or

485
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: use it for a craft project, send it back in

486
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: for a refill. Another guy real quick, um. Another guy

487
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: rolled in. He's talking about like eating his own dog.

488
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: Would you eat your dog? Say, if my dog died,

489
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: I was thinking about eating it. He said, when he

490
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: factors all the expenses he's got into that dog, he

491
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: said that that dog, the meat would be two seventy

492
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: dollars a pound. I don't know why he just sent

493
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: that in. No one's interested in that. Well, you beating dog?

494
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: How it tastes? Right? I didn't like it. Yeah, I

495
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: didn't like it one bit. Okay, one last thing. No

496
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: one's interested in that story. I thought I was good. Uh.

497
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: We had talked about, you know what we're doing. We

498
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: we had Jason Phelps from Phelps Game Calls, that's right

499
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: as Buddy Dirk, and we got we got to pondering

500
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: who like kind of in vent of the diaphragm call,

501
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: and a listener sent in a little clue. Yeah, we

502
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: were guessing like fifties sixties from you know some of

503
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: the names we kind of know that are still alive,

504
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: like it must have been Will Primos. Yeah, Carlton, and

505
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: the guy rolled in with a clue. Yep, he says.

506
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: In the n w t F Museum, which I've been in, Yeah,

507
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: I'd like to go sometime stands for National Wild Turkey Federation.

508
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: There is a display showing a patent from February five,

509
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: eighteen sixties seven, submitted by S. McClane for the first

510
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: patent for a diaphragm type mouth call US Patent number

511
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: sixty one thousand, four eighty six. And there it looks

512
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: like a current diaphragm. Yeah, that's the that's the crazy

513
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: like takeaway is that the it's really nothing different from

514
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: what I've seen his little diagram from what we put

515
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: in our mouths now to make Alcolm Turkey seven what

516
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: year did he do the patent? Eighteen sixty seven? One year,

517
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: one year after the Fetterman massacre. Well, I mean just

518
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: that's a brutal massacre story. Everything that was going on

519
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: in the US, Like it just kind of goes to

520
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: show you that, Uh, sometimes it doesn't slow down hunting

521
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: and fishing, because especially especially yeah, like what do you

522
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: hear a hunt story from ninety three, Like shouldn't you

523
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: been off fighting the war? Yeah? What U eighteen sixty seven?

524
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: Especially if it's anywhere near where the NWTF Museum is located,

525
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: which obviously it has, Like shouldn't you been just coming

526
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: rolling out of the Civil War? Yeah, it's like fire boys,

527
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: I got an idea. Have you ever heard this gap?

528
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 1: That's what the rebel yelled. Since you mentioned it, can

529
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: you of us a quick synopsis of the Fetterman Oh,

530
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: I shouldn't call it. It's it's euro it's eurocentric. To

531
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: called the Fetterman massacre. I take that back, be the

532
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: Fetterman fight. It wasn't Wyoming the UM. I believe it

533
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: was a Sioux they had. There was a military fort

534
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: that was, you know, very much imposing on their traditional lands,

535
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: trying to you know, telling the way that would be.

536
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm leading so heavy into this. There's a military fort

537
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: and there's like a contest of the whole West is

538
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: in contention. Who owns the West? Yeah? Well, the U. S.

539
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: Military sets up this fort, which would be like an outpost.

540
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah in the brass the top brass is like, hey, man,

541
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: no matter what, don't go over the top of that hill.

542
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: And and you know, don't like, don't do it. But anyways,

543
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: there's some uh, some you guys right up on top

544
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: of the hill and they're like, hey, screw you or whatever,

545
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: and then they runoff over the back of the hill.

546
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: And Fetterman could be getting parts this round, but the

547
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: most of them not fetterman like gets the bright idea

548
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: to chase after him over the top of the hill,

549
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: and him and all of the boys vanished over the

550
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: top of the hill and never come back. And they

551
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: eventually wander up there, and I don't know how many

552
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: him or all in there, And he was the one.

553
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: I wish I had the quote exactly, but he was

554
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: very confident and he said with his force he could

555
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: ride through the whole student nation, and that he couldn't

556
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: make it over that couldn't make it. And Crazy Horse

557
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: was very involved in that battle. But he was one

558
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: of the the ones who did the planning to set

559
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: up that ambush and was one of the sort of

560
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: decoys who came out and let everybody back in. And

561
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: it was a multi day thing, right, Like this part

562
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: of it, this part of it was astonishingly quick, I think,

563
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: really because I thought they had shown up on that hill.

564
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, the the actual yeah, there was

565
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 1: like there was some preceding stuff and they had been

566
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: taunting them and torment them, and some I went out

567
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: to cut wood, I think, and they killed a couple

568
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: of the guys that went out to cut wood, and

569
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: one thing led another. But when the main thing happened

570
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: was a very well laid trap. Yeah, yeah, we hand

571
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: to hand fighting. Drove out Ben and I been on

572
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: Brian and I drove out to that Vortex Extreme which

573
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: is in was outside of Douglas, Wyoming this year, and

574
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of Fetterman stuff out there. So

575
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: I was relaying the story of the bound So I

576
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: was just trying to fight of his men. Oh yeah,

577
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: he talked to like any of your Wyoming buddies. It's

578
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: so funny because I love that stuff, and like you

579
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: can just see like eyes rolled back in people's heads.

580
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: Like every single year growing up in Wyoming, you gotta

581
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: go out to Fort Federman. I would love it. Uh,

582
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: why are we talking about that? Oh? He brought up

583
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: the Fetterman man. It was at McClean year after. I

584
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: just have certain bench. Did this guy get rich off

585
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: his game call patent? I mean he should have been

586
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: born about a hundred years later. I think, huh yeah.

587
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: A quick internet starch did not reveal any more information.

588
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: I do find it humorous here thought of that being

589
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: the rebel Yell. Can imagine eight dudes from across Yeah,

590
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: go to the w go to the n WTF convention.

591
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: What people silence blowing turkey calls song like probably rattle somebody,

592
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: Oh check this out, Watch this transition, watch this pivot.

593
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: So uh Fetterman right, that was part of the Sioux War. Okay,

594
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: and some of the participants at the Sioux War. You

595
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: guys tracking stay with some of the participants at the

596
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: Sioux some of the participants at the Fetterman fight. We're

597
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: involved in the battle a Little Big Horn. At the

598
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: battle a Little Big Horn, one thing survived. Captain Keo's

599
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: horse Comanche had like bullet holes arrow holes in it,

600
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: but lift Captain Keo was one of I think two

601
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: people whose bodies were not mutilated after the Little Big

602
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: Horn battle. One because he's under a pile of dead horses,

603
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: and that they it seems like they may didn't find

604
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: him down there and mutilate him. And Kio was unmutilated.

605
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: And Kio had some like Catholic some like Roman Catholic

606
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: clan type thing around his neck, some piece of jewelry

607
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: around his neck, and is a theory is that they

608
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: saw that and and I wondered if he was like

609
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: a religious figure or something, and perhaps didn't mutilate Keyo.

610
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: And during the punitive expeditions. Uh, when we came out

611
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: to them enact vengeance on the tribes that were involved

612
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: in the in the Custer Fight. We set up a

613
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: military fort in present day Miles City and they bestowed

614
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,479
Speaker 1: upon that fort the name Captain Kia or Fort Kyo,

615
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: which brings up the Fort Kyo Gate situation, the Fort

616
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: Kyo fight, the Four Kyo fight. Well done, Yeah, that

617
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: was like well done. You want to talk about some

618
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: phenomenal hosting? Is there no bill prize and host I

619
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: was gonna ask, is there an awards? Is there like

620
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: a Pulitzer and hosting? Yes? Um Pulzer prize for hosting? Uh, cal,

621
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're supposed to be all up speed on this. Yeah.

622
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: So uh interesting situation. There is a lonely but well

623
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: used or was well used at one point. Um boat

624
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: ramp river access Um that is actually on U. S.

625
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: D A property which is part of Is it an

626
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: experimental station out there? Is that? What? Yeah, it's a

627
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: research facility called for Kyo for Kyo Research Facility. Um,

628
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: they're right out outside of Myle City. But um, yeah,

629
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: they do a bunch of great work, man, I mean

630
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: they work, They do a lot of they do cattle work,

631
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: they genetic work, range range land stuff, invasive plants. There's

632
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: a lot of valuable work comes out of Fort Key

633
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: full ecosystem focus really I mean really neat stuff even

634
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: like I know that there's research that comes out of

635
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: there too. And you having to do with after a

636
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: coal mining operation, Um, best best ways to re establish

637
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: shrubs and forbes and things when when you're in the

638
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: remediation process, so like you know, clean up stuff afterwards,

639
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: not clean up, but getting robust plant ecosystems back in

640
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: shape and disturb ecosystems. Yeah, and and ecosystem not like monoculture.

641
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: Uh tons of work range land, rangeland cattle and what

642
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: cattle e yeah yeah um and uh yeah. So anyway,

643
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: there used to be uh you know, general public access

644
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: to this boat ramp. Then a couple of bad apples

645
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: spoiled that access by um doing what every Eastern Montana

646
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: kid knows not to do, which is go out and

647
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: drive around after it rains out there in the hot

648
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: dog and around egg fields, tore up egg fields, tore

649
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: up the road. Um, and you know, as a lot

650
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: of folks would do. They said, well enough of this

651
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: and they closed it off and then uh, a handful

652
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: of groups got together while I unlimited, um general maybe

653
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: there's a general sportsman's group for Miles City. Uh, the community,

654
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: a lot of community members, community members, a lot of

655
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: businesses within Miles City. Uh, backcountry hunters and anglers all

656
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: got together. They raised a little over ten grand I

657
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: believe too, for these very specific purpose of getting this

658
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: river access open to the public on by finding a

659
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: middle ground of installing a key code gate. So there's

660
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,959
Speaker 1: some accountability for folks using the access because you would

661
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: have to call in get a code, probably provide your

662
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: license plate number als you're you know, fishing license number

663
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: or something like that, and uh, everything was good to go. Yeah,

664
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: and this is uh did you cover this? I feel

665
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: like you did that. There's not a lot of reliable Um,

666
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: there's not much reliable river access in this area because

667
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: the river fluctuates. Yes, it's a it's a wildly fluctuating

668
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: water level. Yeah, and so there's oftentimes not a good

669
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: place to launch. And this is like one that's like always,

670
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: no matter what the river is doing, you can launch here. Yeah.

671
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: And I want to say there's like seventy plus you

672
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: gotta go about seventy miles give or take to the

673
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: next like very reliable access unless you use this kind

674
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: of below water mark access with which is like kind

675
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: of the legal exactly. So um, it's always better to

676
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: have these established things. It's just better for for everything

677
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: centralizes the human impact on areas. So um, everything was

678
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: going around well, and then the U s d A

679
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that this that it had to

680
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: be done through slightly different means, and it really slowed

681
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: the process down. So you meanwhile, people have spent a

682
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: lot of money specifically to address the problem, and they

683
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: had the goal line like right there, it's like this

684
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: is going to be done by this date, and we

685
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: have this money very specifically. It's not just going to

686
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: this general pot, it's going to this very specific thing

687
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: that everybody wants and everybody's behind it. And here's this

688
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: date coming down the road, and you know, government just

689
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: doesn't move that fast. Um. And so they're trying to

690
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: get basically an easement through U s d A land

691
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: that I believe Montana Fishing Game would then be in

692
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: charge of that ease month and people trying to work

693
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: through sort of a legal process by which this could happen,

694
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: and this donated money you could get put to the purpose.

695
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: But as you can imagine, if you're Joe Walleye or

696
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: definitely Joe Ducker goose Hunter and the seasons coming down

697
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: the pipe, and you were all fired up about this

698
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: access and you probably pitched a couple of bucks in

699
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: the pot at a point night or something. Now you're

700
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: starting to get pretty piste and fingers are starting to

701
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: get pointed, and um so, what would be very very

702
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: helpful if you like to recreate UH in a smart

703
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: state like the state of Montana that has awesome water

704
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: access laws, I would be very helpful if you contacted

705
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: your duly elected officials or you know, if you happen

706
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: to know a guy who looks like or knows Sonny Perdue,

707
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: or or if you know Sonny Perdue, you may want

708
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: to give him a call. That would be extremely helpful.

709
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: Um Here in the state of Montana, if you got

710
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: a hold of Steve Danes, UH Senator tester or Greg

711
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: gene Forte and so the senators testers Senators Tester and

712
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: Danes Representative Greg gene Forte and asked him to try

713
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: to help work with h f w P. Your Montana, Fish,

714
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: Wildlife and Parks in the U. S d A r

715
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: S Regional Planes Office in Fort Collins, Colorado, try very

716
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: helpful to try to navigate this thing and figure out

717
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: something that's gonna work for everybody. And this is all

718
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: like a very positive thing, is just moving slow and

719
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: and um, we got a lot of really good intention

720
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: folks with their money tied up. Yeah, it's not like

721
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: there's not like a bad guy, and it's just a

722
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: matter of you know, you gotta have mechanisms in place

723
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: to do this kind of stuff. And I think that

724
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: at this point it just seems like a little bit

725
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: of political muscle would go a long way and helping

726
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: grease this up. Because again, man, you get people to

727
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: come together with like this real common calls, like who

728
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: can argue with you know, the importance of good river access. Man,

729
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: Like people came in and pitched in the money, and

730
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: it's just kind of a shame to have that pot

731
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: of money sitting there. Yeah. And and again, like anybody

732
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: who's built anything, like you know, eventually you hit a

733
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: few speed bumps that slows down that finished construction date. Um,

734
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: and that's really what's happening here. So but phone calls, emails. Um,

735
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, and again, if you know some folks who

736
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: know the folks, UM, don't be afraid to give them

737
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: a shout. It's a real good deal. Oh yeah, you know.

738
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: There's one more thing you can do if you go

739
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: to www dot Backcountry hunters dot org forward slash open

740
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: for Kyo and uh. I guess it's important to note

741
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: that Kyo has spelled k e O g h Um.

742
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of good information on the whole story

743
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: that I just told you, and I think it'll leaven

744
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: give you us some outreach options, ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Calahan,

745
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: Oh if you want more from Cal Cal's Weeken Review. Yeah,

746
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: just the only good thing on the internet, it's the

747
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: only thing on the Internet that is of any value,

748
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: is Cal's Weeken Review. It's now being used in school curriculums,

749
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: Is that right, Cal, Yeah, we got I would honestly,

750
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: I would love love, love love if the person who

751
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: wrote the iTunes review for Cal's Weeken Review, what that

752
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: says you are making this mandatory listening for your high

753
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: school science class out to me? Yeah. Cal's Weeking Review

754
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: is a weekly roundup of wildlife and science news. It's

755
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: fun and hopefully you learn some good things to kids

756
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: love it because it's got good sound effects. Yeah, Coty

757
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: of Phil fills the sound of the engineer. Okay, next

758
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: time we have to talk about is I got Um?

759
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: If you if you came to me and said, who's

760
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: the person you would who's the person that you would

761
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: uh least want to be unhappy with you? I would say,

762
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: like the Massad, he's really Massad. And then I'd say

763
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: Doug durn if it was personal, that's like what I

764
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: would like like that would be the order. I want

765
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: to know where I fall on the list. Oh you've

766
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: been mad at me before, haven't you? Yeah? I would

767
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: if someone told if I came in to where someone

768
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: like Yanni's Maddie, I'd be like, I'll talk to him.

769
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: What could be? Uh yeah, I wouldn't be like worried

770
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: about it. I feel like we'd get through it. Yeah,

771
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: for sure. Um, Doug's all mad at me because we

772
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: were talking to and we're doing something we don't normally do.

773
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: Is Doug dug Duran has joined us by phone? Um

774
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: we kind of ambushed him. We we were talking to

775
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: some guys, some q d M A on a on

776
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: a recent episode I think it's called the episodes called

777
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: Managing Bambi. We were talking about a lot of stuff

778
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: around whitetail deer. Um oh, because it's kind of a

779
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: crash course in all things white tail deer in the

780
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: news and whatnot. And I made a mistake. I made

781
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: a regrettable. I made a regrettable. I was, you know,

782
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: when you're trying to make a point now and then

783
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: and you kind of oversell the point. There should be

784
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: word for that. I remember Limbaugh would rush Limbaugh what

785
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: once said something it's not quite it. He said, like

786
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: demonstrating absurdity by being absurd, meaning you like when you're

787
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: like arguing, you float some like intentionally like absurd point

788
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: as a rhetorical strategy. And I had said how and

789
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: I somehow we got on c w D chronic wasting disease,

790
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: which is very serious, and I made some I made

791
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: a comment that I regret. It was like it didn't

792
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: didn't capture my sense. Meant, I made a comment I

793
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: regret where I said the only thing I'm worried about

794
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: was c w DS, that someone would catch it, that

795
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: it would jump the species barrier. And I had said

796
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: some stupid thing like, oh, there's all kinds of stuff

797
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: that there's all kinds of stuff that kills deer, so

798
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: who cares, It's just one more thing that kills deer.

799
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: And what the point I was trying to make and

800
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: I didn't make it? Well, the point I was trying

801
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: to make it, I guess it's like it was that

802
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: I was saying. The thing that really really scares me,

803
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: The thing that really really scares me is that hunters

804
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: um would contract chronic wasting and disease from eating dear meat.

805
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: Like that is extremely scary to me. And somehow some

806
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: people interpreted that to be that I don't take c

807
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: w D seriously or I don't think it's a serious thing,

808
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: or I'm somehow not concerned about it. It's like, that's

809
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: definitely not true. But the thing that most scares me,

810
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: the thing that most scares me, was that dear meat

811
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: would somehow be determined to be or it would become

812
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: um essentially inedible from infected animals that super like that, Like,

813
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: I feel that you could hold that belief and my

814
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: my feelings on CRD are more complicated than that, but

815
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: you could hold that belief and use just that as

816
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: a thing for all the reason in the world why

817
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: we should be researching, fighting, stopping prevention of So I

818
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: don't know how that got taken to be like, I'm

819
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: like light on my concerns about c w D. But Doug,

820
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: who's joining us here? Doug explained to me, like, let's

821
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: say God came down and said, I hereby declare that

822
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: humans cannot get c w D. I've designed this disease

823
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: to be uh incapable of infecting a human. Why would

824
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: people Why if you knew that to be true, why

825
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: does c w D matter? Well, first of all, I'd

826
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: like to say that, Um, if I was to make

827
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: a list of people who were upset with that, I

828
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't want mad at me. The first one would be

829
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 1: my wife and the second one would be Steve or Ellis.

830
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: So I guess, yeah, don't kill you well, thinking not

831
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: my life. UM. So to answer your question, the UM,

832
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: you know there's and you know the other thing that

833
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: is that there's all kinds of stuff that that killed deer,

834
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: and that is very true, and all of the different

835
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: diseases that killed deer. UM don't do it in a

836
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: pretty way. UM h D doesn't kill them in a

837
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: pretty way. It kills them click. C w D doesn't

838
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: kill them in you know, there's no pretty way of

839
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: deer dying. So it's beyond that. C w D UM

840
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: has a has an impact on the resource that isn't

841
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: UM just short term, because it persists in the environment,

842
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: because it persists within the herd. Once you have it,

843
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: essentially don't get rid of it. So UM that then

844
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: goes on too. If you don't have it, you don't

845
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: want it in your area. Yeah, it's not like like

846
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: meaning like e h D or what you know people

847
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: call sometimes refer to as blue tongue, like it passes through.

848
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: It passes through, do you get sick and do you die?

849
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: It goes away and then maybe you don't see it

850
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: again for twenty years, right, And it's all dependent on

851
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: whether and that midge and drought and all of that.

852
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: And interestingly, one of the things that I've learned recently

853
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: about e h D was that there were deer that

854
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: we're taken from northern climates and taken to um Texas

855
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 1: and places like that for breeding purposes, and those deer

856
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: were insured UM their lives were insured, you know, like

857
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: loads of London or some a insurance company like that,

858
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: and they would take those deer too, um, someplace like

859
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: Texas where they didn't really have a problem with the

860
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: HD because the deer had developed an immunity to it.

861
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: Over time, they take these bucks down there for breeding purposes,

862
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: they get the h D and die and then they

863
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: were collecting on the insurance policy. And now they don't

864
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: insure dear anymore. But of course what also has changed

865
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: is they now take those dear two um a breeding

866
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: facility in a little tube. Um. They actually take semen

867
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: there um now, so that's one of the things that

868
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: they've learned in that. So that's that is a big difference.

869
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: That the h D dies out and then if the

870
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: conditions have to be right for it again to appear

871
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: again a drought condition. And actually, Spencer really really good

872
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: of summary about HD the other day that I read

873
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: on website that I thought was really good. Yeah at

874
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: the media or dot com ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. Um,

875
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: So that's the biggest thing. Once you have it, you

876
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: have it so then um, and then it's going to

877
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: well then and then can have an impact on the

878
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: resource for both in the short and long term. Umsults

879
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: of me here UM prevalence in bucks, and we talked

880
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: about this on that with the two m guys. That

881
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: prevalence has gotten real high assault of us. We have

882
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: all the prevalence in the box. Um one of the

883
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: landowners down there who has reached out to me and

884
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: I've spent some time with all his land for to

885
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: manage for big Bucks and and and balance hurt and

886
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: all those QTM ideas UM, and his essentially stays not.

887
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: We don't see big Box anywhere. They don't get UM

888
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: of the of the box on the ground at one

889
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: given time are infective with c w D, which is

890
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: always fatal. That are always that is always fatal. Prevalence

891
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: is of course based on the data that they have

892
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: and the number of tests, and they're able to extrapolate

893
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: all these numbers. UM, that prevalence is that box an

894
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: adult does. UM, it's less both in yearling bucks in

895
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: arling does. But it's even shown up uh down there

896
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: in phones as well. So if all these fatal to

897
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: zero disease that's going to kill that deer in two

898
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: years or something related to that disease, you know, it's

899
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: like it's sort of like um, oh cancer or you know,

900
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: any any other kind of thing you get, you get

901
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: stick from it, and you're as your immunity system, your

902
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: body becomes weaker and end up dying. Maybe you don't

903
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: die of cancer, or you don't die you don't die

904
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: of lung cancer as a smoker, but you die of

905
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: of uh you know something else that pneumonia commune system

906
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: and your body pneumonia exactly. And that's actually what a

907
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: fair number of deer um with c w D die

908
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: from is things like pneumonia, um uh, you know, um

909
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: choking on their own um, you know, spit, vomit, things

910
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: that are not vomit but their own bodily fluids, that

911
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: sort of thing, because they don't have that ability to

912
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: to do it anymore. So that idea that well deer aren't.

913
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: But that dear didn't die a CD. It got um it.

914
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: It's died in pneumonia or you know, it's it it

915
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: got killed by a predatory more easily because it's a

916
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: defense system is down't or because of what it does

917
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: to their brain. They have walked, you know, maybe walking

918
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: out on the highland moor or something like that. So

919
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: there's all the number of things that both sickness is

920
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: and other things that can happen UM as a result.

921
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: So if you wound up, go ahead, But because that

922
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: deal thinks, but because that deer is going to die

923
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: of the disease within two years, imagine a year old

924
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: or a year link bocker of another buck, he's not

925
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: gonna make it to be uh, he's not gonna make

926
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: it to be a three year old deer. And that's

927
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: what we're starting to see now. So even though in

928
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: our area they predicted or saltum here of the endemic

929
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: area when they predicted that um seventeen years ago, may

930
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: being the Department Natural Resources and some of the other

931
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: efforts that this is going to have a huge impact

932
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: on the deer. Our deer population is still going out.

933
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 1: But what's happened because we just have such a great

934
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: place for growing deer that the models didn't maybe take

935
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: that into consideration. But what is happening is trending to

936
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: a younger deer population. And then of course so UM,

937
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: so there's that. I mean, that's really the biggest the

938
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: bigger impact on the resource is UM. You know, it's

939
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: my concern and I think Matt from qd M A

940
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: who you know, it did a great job, and I

941
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: actually talked with him, uh currently regularly about listen some

942
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: other issues. Um did a great job of sort of explaining, uh,

943
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, some of those those things after the fact.

944
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: So if if if I know you're out working right now,

945
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: but quick question for you and we'll pick this up

946
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: because you you know you've been you're on the show

947
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: all the time. We'll talk more about it, but real quick,

948
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: like you've you've emerged as like a c w D crusader,

949
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: right like you're like the you might even be looking

950
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: like some people in your area might think you're like

951
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: the crazy c w D guy because you're really driving

952
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: awareness in your area. And I don't I'm not trying

953
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: to joke, because you're doing it in a very constructive

954
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: way of really looking for striving for solutions and striving

955
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: for consensus. But that's why I ask out all fairness,

956
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: because you were like pissed at me about what I said,

957
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: because in some ways it would be that that you've

958
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: kind of made this in a way your your life's work,

959
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: and then someone like demeaning that. But if you knew,

960
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: if you were in the scenario where let's say you're

961
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: a ten right now, you're like a on a number

962
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: one to ten. You're a ten and your fight on

963
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: c w D. If you knew that there's no chance

964
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: for human infection, do you think you'd still be a ten?

965
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: Or would you honestly be down in the seven eight range?

966
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: UM one, I'd like to think I'm a CWD avenger

967
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: um and who I would be attend really And the

968
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: reason for it is the impact on the resource. It's conservation.

969
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: I yes, I concerned myself about um eating venison, um

970
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: and and people eating venison, but the fact that what

971
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: it does to what it does to individual dear, but

972
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 1: then also the impact on the resource. UM, I really

973
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: would I mean honestly, some of the things. I mean,

974
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, I used to do buck management. We don't

975
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: do it anymore. I'd love to be able to do

976
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: that again. UM And could I and could I do that? Well?

977
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: Sure we would still have and we killed some nice

978
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: bucks here last year, but um we would still that

979
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: that would continue to happen. But as that prevalence gets

980
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: higher and high year, we um, dear are they're dying

981
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: and they're they're and they're not reaching those older ages.

982
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: So we're not getting to that older older age class,

983
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: which debate whether deer actually need to have age class

984
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: uh dear a trust all the age classes or not,

985
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: whether that's important the resource or not. But I'd love

986
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: to see that again. I mean, there's nothing like seeing

987
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: a big giant buck um And so yeah, I would

988
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: be concerned about it, and I would like to continue

989
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: to concer no matter what. I would want to control

990
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: prevalence um, so the percentage of gear that have it,

991
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: but then also the spread so that it's not going

992
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: on to the next place. You know. One of the

993
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: analogies that people have used is you keep your kids home, uh,

994
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: keep your kids home from school, and they're six, so

995
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: they don't go and in fact other other kids. And

996
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: we're kind of at the point here where on the

997
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: north edge of the of the streat of c w

998
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: D that I'm trying to keep your kids home from

999
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: school so that folks north of us of their kids

1000
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: aren't getting six so they're dearing, kidding sick. So it

1001
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: makes sense. No, it makes total sense. Man again, Doug Well,

1002
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: I yeah, what you're on all the time. We'll have

1003
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: you on again to talk more about this. Uh forgive

1004
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: the have to do over the phone. But I said,

1005
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: I got an email from Doug that said, this is

1006
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: an email I'd never thought I'd need to write to you,

1007
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: which is not how I like to start my morning.

1008
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: Well are we do we still? We still love each other? Right?

1009
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: I love you, man, I really do. And I appreciate this. Um,

1010
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call and the opportunity and and uh,

1011
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: I apologize for being a little heavy handed with some

1012
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: of that, but I UM, you know, as I think

1013
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: I told you, I've gotten a lot of contacts about it,

1014
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: and every time I did, I got upset with you

1015
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: more than I should have. And I tried to get

1016
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: people and I hope some people have written to meet

1017
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: either because I said, look, let them know, not just me.

1018
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was. It was dumping to say it was.

1019
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: It was, I was. I was making a point. I

1020
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: should have said what really scares me or what especially

1021
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: scares me? But yeah, yeah, and I UM, I also

1022
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: want to say that in the of all of the

1023
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: work that you've done in conservation and and everything you've

1024
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: done for conservation and the voice that you are, it

1025
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: pretty hard to to fault you when we're talking about

1026
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: thirty seconds of time in a really a lifetime career

1027
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: and uh so um that's I guess that's part of

1028
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: the part of the deal. But I appreciate the opportunity.

1029
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: And you know, I love you like a brother, as

1030
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,479
Speaker 1: as the case with some of those other guys there.

1031
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: So um, thanks very much. All right, thanks Doug. We'll

1032
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: talk about more. I was wanting to clear the air

1033
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: because I haven't been able to sleep at night. Think

1034
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: he didn't love me. Alright, talk to dog. All right,

1035
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: we're walking the way out of here. Man, I got

1036
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: that taking care of now. Okay, who uh do you

1037
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: want to tell your elk story? So I tell my

1038
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: elk story. Um, depends on what you're looking for. You know,

1039
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: mine's a big, fancy private land scenario. You're a everyday man,

1040
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: the nails, blue collar hero. Let's hear your fancy one. Um.

1041
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: So I got like very spoiled spoiled kid, um chance

1042
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: to go hunt a big private ranch that is owned

1043
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: and operated by the Nature Conservancy in eastern Oregon. It's

1044
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: called the zoom Walt Prairie Preserve, and their mission statement

1045
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: out there is to preserve the last um largest contiguous

1046
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: chunk of bunch grass prairie. Um bunch grass prairie ecosystem,

1047
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: and it is uh, really gorgeous. It's right outside of

1048
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: joseph An Enterprise, Oregon UM, which I understand are getting

1049
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: like more popular with um like your Portlands tourist crowd

1050
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: out there. So folks is kind of starting to discover

1051
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: that area. And I actually have some friends with a

1052
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: ranch in that same spots. I've been traveling out there,

1053
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: uh you know, every other year or so, and and

1054
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: it is big, like Feeder Stream tributary country for uh,

1055
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: Snake River Hills Canyon, and it's like big. So you

1056
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: have those big flat top plateaus and then these big

1057
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: banded kind of cliff band grassy drops all the way

1058
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: down into like really dried um kind of desert country. Yes,

1059
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: that's stuff that It's like those one of those areas

1060
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: where you feel like you're in the mountains because there's

1061
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: so much topography, but then you realize there's no like uplift.

1062
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's just like it's like a flat thing

1063
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: that's been washed away rather than a jaggy thing that's

1064
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: been shelved up. Yeah, I mean it's yeah, you could

1065
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: travel the tops in a mountain bike, you know, with

1066
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: with no trail almost so um. But so they're there

1067
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 1: to this big private chunk with an access component there

1068
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: cowell hunters starting out there at the same time. I

1069
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: was the opening day in that areas August August. But

1070
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: like in Alaska, their full swing by them. But here

1071
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: it seems it feels weird. Tolorado starts archery elk in August.

1072
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: Are they hard horned? Yeah? Yeah, we we spotted a

1073
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: few that were like still had plenty velvet hanging off

1074
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: of them, you know, but they had started to shadows.

1075
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: It was cool. Um, but um, big bachelor groups of

1076
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: bulls and uh not all playing grab bass yet there

1077
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: is like a little bit of that winding up and

1078
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: it I mean I would tell anybody who can you know,

1079
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean you got to diversify and like watch those

1080
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: animals every opportunity you get, because it's just like really neat,

1081
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: interesting her dynamic stuff when all those bulls are together

1082
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: and where you can see like how everybody beds down

1083
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: and the biggest bowls are like so covered up by everybody. Yeah,

1084
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: like I'll take the middle boys, yeah exactly. You know

1085
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: that spot right next to the rock that you can't

1086
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: really see what's coming up behind you? Why don't you

1087
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: take that. I'm gonna be down here in this hole. Um.

1088
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: And then yeah, they're like they'd get up and stretch,

1089
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: and then they'd like look at each other and go

1090
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: over there and like gently gently tap antlers together. For

1091
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: then they'd be like, I'm gonna eat some more, um.

1092
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: And then but then get like real aggressive on a

1093
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: tree and then somebody. It was just interesting. Can you

1094
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: just like see the wheels starting to turn? Like, oh God,

1095
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: that makes me want to do something, but I know

1096
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: it's not quite time yet, and it's super fun. And

1097
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: I will tell you never felt like such a bugling

1098
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: pro because every I would say of my bugles were

1099
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: responded to. But they're just getting to where they feel

1100
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: like they want a bugle. Yeah, and so you'd like

1101
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: you'd bugle and be like bloo bloop bloop, but you know,

1102
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: nobody's like what did you say. It's all like, yeah,

1103
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm over here. They're not oh no no, but they

1104
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: like they like doing it. Yeah. It was I mean

1105
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: it was fun and uh, certainly not a situation where

1106
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: you have that monkey on your back. Like, boy, I

1107
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: only got a couple of days and I haven't found

1108
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: ELK yet. You know, like it was. It was pretty amazing.

1109
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: One spotted a couple of raghorn bowls underneath the tree,

1110
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: went over there, checked him out and started looking and

1111
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: there's like sixteen bowls in there. Sixteen you know, you're

1112
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, like giants too or what? Um? So,

1113
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: according to Chad Dotson, who was a preserved steward, so

1114
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: if you have an ANTLERD tag out on the preserve,

1115
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: you have to be accompanied by a preserved steward. Um

1116
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: for what purpose? Uh? I think it's it's purely because

1117
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: those tags are UM such high value because they're they're

1118
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: used as UM fundraiser tags for UM all these local

1119
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: So basically it's set up UM like a grant, so

1120
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: all the charities in that area can basically apply for

1121
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: one of these tags to then use as a major

1122
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: fundraiser for that group. But they want to prevent what

1123
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: from happening. Well, I think it's it's more of like, hey,

1124
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: you have this very special thing, we want to make

1125
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: sure it's a special thing for you to kind of

1126
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: maintain the value of the tag. UM. And so the

1127
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: preserve stewards go out and they're like, you know, I

1128
01:06:55,160 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: would probably hold off on shooting that bowl, because is

1129
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: if we just look a little bit longer, we're gonna

1130
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: find something bigger and something older. Yeah, presumably they know

1131
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: all the property boundaries and yeah yeah, I definitely know

1132
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: the property boundaries and and um the uh to get

1133
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: elk living a long time out there too, and the

1134
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: individual get old. Yeah, and they um part of the

1135
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: deal out there, Like if you're a rifle hunter, you

1136
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: got to use non let immunition. Um, everybody is required to.

1137
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: There's a big survey questionnaire that you gotta fill out. Um,

1138
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: after the hunt you gotta send in um tooth so

1139
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: they can buy ops yet um and uh yeah, I

1140
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: mean it's all it's super neat stuff and and really

1141
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: cool program. Didn't you trip and fall and almost land

1142
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: on a bear school? Yeah yeah yeah, which was just

1143
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: like a total So the interesting part here is, yes,

1144
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: I shot now turned out to not be a good shot,

1145
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: Like the interesting stuff came after and um, so I

1146
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: shoot the bowl. It was a twenty four yard shot.

1147
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: How was another good shot? I thought the fell right off. Yeah,

1148
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: but this is like all this after the fact stuff,

1149
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: So you know, I have this great shot. I have

1150
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: all the time in the world take my time well

1151
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: within my comfort range with your curve bow. This was

1152
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: with the long bow. UM, and I shoot the bowl

1153
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: reacts the sound of the arrow hitting the bowl, it

1154
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: was very familiar as like that sounds like a very

1155
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: good shot. Um. Like sounded like bone and lung and

1156
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: you know because it kind of had that like crunch

1157
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of sound to it. Um, that was my like

1158
01:08:55,200 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: a little deflation type sound. And um. And the this

1159
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: is a huge bodied bull and he's got this really

1160
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: distinct old man bugle um. But then when he stepped out,

1161
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:13,440
Speaker 1: he's like like not that big of a antlerd bull, um,

1162
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: but you know, too good to pass up. And the

1163
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: bull reacts like he is immediately falling over. And he

1164
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: runs and this on a very steep slope, like I said,

1165
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: like on the edge of the canyon. And uh, he

1166
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,799
Speaker 1: reacts like he's fallen over the whole time, and running

1167
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: faster than any healthy animal would down this slope. Then

1168
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, somehow hits the brakes, makes a

1169
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: ninety degree turn, takes a couple of steps on this

1170
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,440
Speaker 1: what turns out to be a game trail, and disappears

1171
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 1: from site. Um. At that point, i'd ripped a big bugle.

1172
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. My theory is like bugle, particularly with big

1173
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: bulls after their hit, um, because I find that they

1174
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: re act better too, like their anger sense of anger,

1175
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: like think you might think he might pause him thinking

1176
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: that another bull hit him, right, um and so and

1177
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: he turned and hit that trail went out of sight

1178
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: and I'm waiting and then I hear crack boom move

1179
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:29,799
Speaker 1: boom boom boom boom, and I kind of like laughed

1180
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: to myself like it sounds like you fell all the

1181
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: way to the bottom. Har har and he had he had. Yeah.

1182
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: So there the and there's a lot of logistics talk

1183
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: on this Boston aidlers all the way down and whatnot.

1184
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: It is pitch black by the time I start trailing,

1185
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: but because of that crashing noise, I'm very confident that

1186
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to recover the animal. Um. You know, up

1187
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: until now, like everything's like out of a dusty playbook, right,

1188
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, this is an area, so go down.

1189
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: I find it was actually easier to track in the moonlight,

1190
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 1: um oddly enough or not in the head lamp light, um,

1191
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: because like there's so much elk signe over there. But

1192
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: like the big digger marks of this bowl running so

1193
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: crazy just seemed to pop out more in the head lamp,

1194
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: more in the light. Yeah, and uh the more in

1195
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 1: the head lamp. It was pitch black. There is no Yeah,

1196
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I misspoke, and uh so I'm tracking him.

1197
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: Then I find the arrow and I'm like, oh, that's

1198
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: not good. First of all, I'm like, I am the

1199
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: best tracker in the world. I found the arrow on

1200
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: the pitch black, and then I look at the arraw

1201
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: on I'm like, I am a terrible shot because I

1202
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: ended up hitting him in the front low on the

1203
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: front left leg. So I mean the bottom basically like

1204
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: the bottom of the shoulder um above above the elbow um.

1205
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: And uh that leg broke. Oh but it didn't break

1206
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: on impact. It broke when he This is all right

1207
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: my assumptions here of the data I collected. But it

1208
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: broke once he took a couple of steps on that

1209
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: game trail. Um and you know, I have the bone

1210
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: with the broadhead in it, and there's a big spiral

1211
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:33,799
Speaker 1: fracture up and the break was actually below the impact

1212
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: of the broadhead. And then that sent that bowl tumbling downhill.

1213
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 1: That called him to fall off the cliff and he

1214
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:45,719
Speaker 1: fell off three cliffs and I'm you know, I'm picking

1215
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: my way down through this stuff. But that whole bowl

1216
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: and this is the biggest bodied elk I have ever

1217
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: certainly ever taken myself. But that whole bowl was you know,

1218
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: somewhere between six and ten ft off the ground three

1219
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,560
Speaker 1: different times. And uh, I had to have with a

1220
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: mount and go at one time who was like thirteen

1221
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: pounds or something to meat. This was the I wish

1222
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: I could I do, wish I could somehow contextualize this

1223
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: properly and then and then show the pictures online because

1224
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: the trauma is is just ghastly. And I didn't make

1225
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: the comment I'm like, man, I wonder if Oregon Fishing

1226
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: Game would slip me a cow tag because I don't

1227
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 1: know if any of this is going to be usable.

1228
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: But the rock slides um that the bowl had to

1229
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: have gone through. He was traveling so fast that there

1230
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: was very very little blood. Um there was zero hair,

1231
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: which I found just unbelievable. Um. But I at first

1232
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: like like, well, this is the way he had to go,

1233
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 1: and I can't find any sign of It's all active

1234
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 1: rock slides, so they're all smooth, and and then I

1235
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 1: see this rock that looks like somebody hit it with

1236
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: a hammer, you know, like all chipped white and broken.

1237
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, it's odd. And then I look and

1238
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 1: I'm shining the head lamp around, and I can see

1239
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: the bright white inside of an antler, like the core

1240
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 1: of the antler is shining bright white. It's like reflective almost,

1241
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, okay, well, here's a chunk of

1242
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 1: an antler. And then there's a chunk of an antler,

1243
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: and then there's a chunk and then I can see

1244
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: like more busted rock, just same same way, like you're

1245
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: just whacking it with a hammer every ten ft. And

1246
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: then I can see the roots of a tree tipped

1247
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: over and I'm like, oh, that's fresh. And then yeah,

1248
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 1: that was like really every bit of ten feet. But

1249
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like his body hit the tree and

1250
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: uproot of the tree. Yeah, And then off this major

1251
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: cliff and then and I have to like jump down

1252
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: probably like a five ft drop section, and I'm trying

1253
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: not to fall and slide off, and I look between

1254
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: my feet and there's like a pinky size tip of

1255
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: a horn, tip of an antler tip right in between

1256
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 1: my feet and I'm like, oh, one piece of a time,

1257
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: um like that Johnny Cash song and uh, I can't

1258
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: stand that song. They's fitting under these circumstances, man, and

1259
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: uh and yeah. So then I continue down the slide path.

1260
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 1: But it's just so odd, right, and it's like that

1261
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: when you're tracking at night. I'm like, Okay, here he's

1262
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: gonna be and then he's no elt. I'm like, there's

1263
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 1: just it's not I have dropped so much elevation, right,

1264
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: And I'm always like very hesitant to drop elevation unless

1265
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: I really know, but I'm so I'm crossing little side

1266
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: gaps off the list and then going down and then

1267
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden go through this next cliff band

1268
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: and I slip and fall hard, and I look over

1269
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: with my head lamp and there's this bear skull just

1270
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: grinning at me. It's awful ominous warning. Warning really gave

1271
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 1: me a stop, right, And it's like that bear had

1272
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:26,440
Speaker 1: laid down and died right there, because it is just perfect,

1273
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: and like the canines sitting there eyes looking at me,

1274
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: or the sockets looking at me, and he says, your

1275
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 1: bullet is gone, and I was just like, you know,

1276
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 1: I just it was like, what put you and me

1277
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: here at the same same time? Like you should spot

1278
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be here or something, and so yeah, that

1279
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: kind of just threw me for a loop, um, because

1280
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 1: when do you ever see that? And I'd go a

1281
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: little bit further. At that point, Um, Chad and uh

1282
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,839
Speaker 1: Waring had gotten all the way around to the bottom,

1283
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: so they'd gone all the way to the back, and

1284
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, grab my chainsaw, um grab you know,

1285
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,799
Speaker 1: here's like the list of things to chaw for because

1286
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know the condition of the two track road

1287
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: in the bottom. Um if we could use that saw

1288
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: to like cut some dead timber out of the way

1289
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: or just make things easier, you know, And they had

1290
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: to go through there anyway, so I figured why not? Um,

1291
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: And you know, at this point, I'm like two yards

1292
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: off the bottom, like the bottom bottom, and Chad starts

1293
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: hiking up and about a hundred feet from like the

1294
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: actual creek bottom is that bowl all piled up? And

1295
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 1: so he actually got to him before I did. In

1296
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: a total mess. Yeah, in in a in a total

1297
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: mass man. And just yes, that bowl could have been

1298
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,759
Speaker 1: a six by six, but now it's a two by three,

1299
01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: two by four. If the way it bro you would

1300
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: count like the continuation of the main beam as a point.

1301
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: There's the sheared off part of the main beam as

1302
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: a point. Yeah, so um, what a disaster. Yeah. And

1303
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: the thing is huge, like it is a huge bowl

1304
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: and man, start cutting that thing and like and I

1305
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: made the comment, I'm like, man, it looks like you

1306
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 1: got shot with a shotgun because it's just like peppered

1307
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: from that ride down the mountain. And uh so I

1308
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: start at the anus, right and I'm cut up and

1309
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: I start peeling that hideback and it you know, all

1310
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: these bowls I've been watching through the phone scope and

1311
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 1: like watching for days, and I'm just remarking the whole

1312
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: time how fat they are. Oh my god, look at

1313
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 1: the fat, Like you can see it ripple, you know,

1314
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: And that's just not something you see even early in

1315
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: that typical archery season because they've been doing a lot

1316
01:18:57,200 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 1: of running and um, and this fat is like obliterated.

1317
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: It is particulate fat. Oh like that was the cushion

1318
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: and it is a mess and it's got awful and

1319
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm just sick to my stomach. But then you kind

1320
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: of get through that that layer of fascia um right

1321
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 1: above the meat, and everything started looking clean. Um. But

1322
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 1: I just yeah, the pictures are yeah, I mean I

1323
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 1: sent you guys. I think your honest is like what

1324
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: am I looking at? It's just like but like the

1325
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 1: anus was blown out of it. All the ribs were

1326
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: broken right below the spine on one side. On the

1327
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:43,560
Speaker 1: opposite side. When I started to cut the loin out, Um,

1328
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 1: I made like half a cut in that fashion layer

1329
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: and the loin just dropped into my hands like it

1330
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 1: had come It had detached from the spine and the ribs. Um.

1331
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: You know. It's well, I think I told you probably

1332
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: ten times. But when I had that mountain goat that fell,

1333
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: its skull was opened, its brain was gone, and I

1334
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: found its long tucked tucked up between its shank and

1335
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: it's hide no his ankle, yeah, man, no skinning, no

1336
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: necessary skinning coasts. The hide, it completely separated, was just

1337
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: held on by the hoofs. Wow. No, but yeah, so

1338
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: I didn't. This is just kind of one of those things, right,

1339
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, who knows, like the thing it's just

1340
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: there's not a lot there's not like a lot of

1341
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 1: lessons to learn here. I think the lesson is like,

1342
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 1: had you just taken it at phase value and like

1343
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: not being a heart eater, you would have been like, oh,

1344
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 1: slipped her through the shoulder and whacked him in the heart.

1345
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: But I dug the heart out and I'm like, there

1346
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 1: is definitely not a broad head hole in this thing. Um,

1347
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: I did find bruising inside the heart. And I asked

1348
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 1: e m T. Buddy, I'm like, you, uh, figure like

1349
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: if there's a cardiac arrest type situation, they'll be bruising

1350
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: inside the heart. And uh, he said, typically it comes

1351
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: from a blockage outside the heart, and so there's not

1352
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: bruising inside the heart. But maybe somebody can write in

1353
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: and let us know about that, Like really old Elk

1354
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 1: freaked out had a heart attack, and that's you know.

1355
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 1: But so you're you're saying this because you don't know

1356
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 1: what killed it, that the arrow placement may have killed

1357
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 1: it eventually, but it didn't kill it that fast, and

1358
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: it fell. The lesson to be learned or the takeaway

1359
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: from me or ad is like you aren't as good

1360
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 1: as you think you are with that bow because you

1361
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 1: definitely made a mistake. So um, that's that's a good

1362
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: lesson and I got really freaking lucky. Man, So did

1363
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: you try any of the meat yet? All I've all

1364
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 1: I have eaten as the heart. And then I had

1365
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: a couple of friends in town um that weekend, and

1366
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: they helped, but true, and so I sent them with

1367
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 1: some of the meat. Um, and they were there for

1368
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: the butchering job. But like inside those loins there would

1369
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: be um just if they it looked like actual like

1370
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: burst blood vessels. And and so they they actually, um,

1371
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: they were there like camping across the country, and they

1372
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: cooked it up and they said it was really good,

1373
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: exceptionally tender. But yeah, man, I mean and that's I'll

1374
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 1: take a pack of that. That's yeah, definitely the I

1375
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: don't know, I I one another takeaway is like you

1376
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: just you're never as long as you hunt as many

1377
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: of these scenarios as you see, they're all unique, and

1378
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: you're never gonna get to a point where you're like, oh, yeah,

1379
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: I've seen that, let me tell you what happened, you know.

1380
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 1: So I like that part of last time I had

1381
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: a big bull fall off cliff. Yeah, but we figured, um,

1382
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 1: you know, every every bit of six vertical feet that bowl.

1383
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, you think about that filled the engineer. Uh,

1384
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. If it were on tracks, would be

1385
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: a fun roller coaster. It sounds like the best phils got. Wow.

1386
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: Did you like that story? Yeah, yeah, it was great.

1387
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: I had heard some of some of it before, but

1388
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 1: the bare skull is new. Like like that touch, that's

1389
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: a good one. Yeah. So you're enjoining yourself down here, Yeah,

1390
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: having a great time and it's so hot, you know,

1391
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,679
Speaker 1: we're we got that thing back and got the meat

1392
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 1: all hung up cooling. Um uh three am. It was

1393
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: probably in bed by a four am. Yeah. That's that's

1394
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 1: what you sign up for when you're shooting bowls at

1395
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 1: night and in the heat. Right. So I hate doing

1396
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: that too, Like I've I've called her quits early many

1397
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: nights because I'm like, man, I just don't feel like

1398
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 1: doing that whole situation up. Man. Um, you know, next

1399
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:06,600
Speaker 1: week when we're hunting out together, I sure hope you

1400
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,719
Speaker 1: kill one in the morning and makes life that much easier.

1401
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: That's that's the story I'm gonna tell right now. But

1402
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 1: me and my brother went out elk hunting. You could

1403
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: start off saying, let me tell you how it should be.

1404
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: Let me tell you how it should work. So we uh,

1405
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 1: opening morning here just not too long ago, oh a

1406
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 1: week ago, where the hell was a little over a

1407
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: week ago? Um, no week will be tomorrow week. Tomorrow. Well,

1408
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 1: it opens on Saturday. And we on Friday night, not filming,

1409
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: just out monkeying around like the old days. We on

1410
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: Friday night in the afternoon start. We had we had

1411
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: his llamas with us, We had four pack llamas, and

1412
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 1: we started hiking up into the mountains to an area

1413
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: he wanted to go and hit. Um. We start in

1414
01:24:56,479 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 1: the afternoon is rainings, all muddy and just kind of nasty,

1415
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: but we knew he had a good day touch nasty

1416
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: weather that I was even looking at you guys, going man,

1417
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: you might want to change direction to help change locations,

1418
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 1: because it looks like a real ship day to walk

1419
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 1: into the starting when you gotta like get when you

1420
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 1: get out of the trunk and it's pouring rain and

1421
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: you're going back in for a couple of nights. And

1422
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: so I was like, oh really, but then you can't

1423
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 1: back out because then what's the point being alive? So

1424
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: we started going, um, and we get into an area

1425
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:29,639
Speaker 1: where he thinks, like he's expecting we should be seeing something,

1426
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 1: seeing hearing something, seeing something. But then it's like hard

1427
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: to rule out because well, it's raining. At first. He's like, man,

1428
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,799
Speaker 1: rains really putting them down, you know, like they're not out.

1429
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, it was like like

1430
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: the sky's part and it's like this beautiful evening and

1431
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 1: we're sitting there as it gets dusk and we got

1432
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: a good advantage and just just like nothing nothing. So

1433
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 1: nick is dark and we kick around like, man, you know,

1434
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,799
Speaker 1: maybe they'll be out in the morning. But we decided

1435
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: to keep walking. And we walked another couple hours through

1436
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: the dark, and um got the point where about seven

1437
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 1: miles from where we parked, and then we were starting

1438
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: to hear some ripping. Um like good buglan and set

1439
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: up and slept there for the night, got up in

1440
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: the morning and just kind of like got out of

1441
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: eight in the morning, not eight in the morning. But

1442
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: we ate breakfast in the morning, you know, we ate,

1443
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. That was pretty damn good man. Was

1444
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: it a bunch of sinew and normal matt meal? No,

1445
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 1: because I brought it. It was that what was that?

1446
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: What's the heathers or pantry? Oh my head, there's choice.

1447
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 1: The breakfast, dude, they're like rockets. That was good. We

1448
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: ate some of those. I brought some of those. Yeah,

1449
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 1: and Matt or beating like sin you. Oh you know

1450
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: another quick Matt story. He doesn't normally eat. I don't

1451
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 1: think he doesn't like to eat. He used he still

1452
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:00,040
Speaker 1: uses an old school alcohol stove, which I like. I

1453
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: was like, hey, want me to grab my jet boil

1454
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: and he goes no, because I like it to be

1455
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 1: quiet when I'm cooking. I want to listen for bugles.

1456
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 1: And he uses the alcohol because it makes zero noise

1457
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 1: like at jet boils loud. Yes, but I would argue

1458
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: that it's so such an inefficient use of time that

1459
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 1: that jet louder jet boys. Sure, you might be not

1460
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 1: hearing something for about two minutes, but at least you

1461
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 1: get to eat before ten pm. Were you writing on

1462
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 1: that alcohol stove man dinners late? Yeah, but he said

1463
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: I pressed him on it. He said, I'm never in

1464
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: a hurry, and when I'm cooking, I want to listen

1465
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,600
Speaker 1: for bugles. He just likes his alcohol sol but I

1466
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: didn't argue with him. He likes algoslo. But he told

1467
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 1: me a great story. He carries with them a portable

1468
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 1: bow press. Have you seen one of these? Oh, it's

1469
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 1: like a cable with a little screw attachment on the

1470
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: hand crank. He carries a portable bow press with the

1471
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 1: mountain the woods. Somehow he got he had ran into

1472
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: some problem and wished he had one. Oh he was

1473
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 1: with his white fue time and something happened and his

1474
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 1: bow popped off. The came off one of the cams,

1475
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 1: and him and his wife were able to rastle that

1476
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: bow back into submission and got it real strong. So

1477
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: then she goes out and buys him a portable bow press.

1478
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 1: And he's working a group of elk. This is not

1479
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: our this is this is just him alone. He's out

1480
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 1: working a group of elk with and he had his

1481
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: portable bull press and his wife bought for him with him.

1482
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: He's working a group of elk and slips on a

1483
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: rock and a stream channel and falls down and busts

1484
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 1: the peep site off his bowstring. And he carries like

1485
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 1: basic stuff like anybody was. But he doesn't care like

1486
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: who carries an extra peeps Like maybe I'm sure thousands

1487
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 1: of thousands of people do, but he doesn't have extra

1488
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 1: peeps like check this out he's way to hell Bag

1489
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 1: in the mountains. His peep site broke. He starts looking

1490
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 1: around through all his gear and realizes that the button

1491
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:54,799
Speaker 1: on his pants has like that little rim around the periphery.

1492
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: M okay hollows out the hole in the button i

1493
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: his pants, takes his portable bull press and installs his

1494
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:12,759
Speaker 1: pants button in as his peep site, and then shoots

1495
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: and kills a bull with it. Got some real stuff, right,

1496
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: there's some woodsman show kills a bull and never never

1497
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: say die, sony out. We get in the morning and

1498
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 1: we start working these bulls and we're like it was

1499
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, like those days. It's like

1500
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 1: the daisy dream of having right knowing around. We got

1501
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 1: three bulls out in front of us, ripping, and all

1502
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:40,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we're like trying to keep track of

1503
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: who's where Cole's going off, and also there's another bull

1504
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 1: coming from behind us. We reposition like this. This new

1505
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: bulls like shows up out of nowhere, bugling. He kind

1506
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 1: of sweeps through it sort of bypasses us, but like

1507
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 1: he's bypasses us because there's this whole circus going on

1508
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 1: out in front of us, and he's like coming to

1509
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 1: join the good times. But the main good times there

1510
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: are the bulls that are in front of us, not us,

1511
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 1: and he kind of but he still comes through, past

1512
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: through the hundred yards, goes into join the whole ship

1513
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 1: show going on out in front of us. Eventually, like

1514
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 1: some of these more vocal bowls, they seem to go

1515
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: up this slope. We're kind of looking down into a bottom,

1516
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 1: and we were like they kind of bugle up and over,

1517
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 1: and Matt he knows the area a little bit. He's like, man,

1518
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 1: he goes, I know, I bad know where they're going.

1519
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 1: So we circle around to try to get out ahead

1520
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 1: of him, thinking like we'll just get out ahead him

1521
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 1: and try to set up again. And we look across

1522
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: the drainage and find this other bowl bedded down out

1523
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 1: in the open, like and it's overcast, it's a cool day,

1524
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 1: and uh, he just beat it out and the open

1525
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 1: with two cows feeding right next to him, and we're

1526
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,640
Speaker 1: good looking at him all right, man, that thing the

1527
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 1: way he's positioned, like the land features are such that

1528
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: you just know right where he is, Like it's like

1529
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:58,759
Speaker 1: so obvious where he is. And there's this cliff band

1530
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 1: behind him, and we just drop everything and circle back around.

1531
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 1: It takes us about thirty minutes, and we just know

1532
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 1: exactly where he is because the landscape features are like

1533
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 1: you just can't mess it up. So we go back

1534
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 1: around and get up on this cliff band above him,

1535
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 1: and we know that we're a hundred ten yards. We

1536
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 1: tell we're a hundred ten yards when we know that

1537
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: bulls betted. And I'm on top of this little rock

1538
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 1: pile cliff band. It's not big. You could throw a rock,

1539
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, and hit a grouse off the edge of

1540
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: the cliff band. It's not too far. But I'm up there.

1541
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 1: And Matt creeps down to the foot of the cliff band,

1542
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: thinking there's no way, you know, to take like a

1543
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 1: act of god right to call the bull up through

1544
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: this thing. But he gets down in there and he

1545
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: and he realized once he downs, he goes, man, I

1546
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 1: feel like I could, He said, I could recognize the

1547
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: tree that bowl was on under and I even thought

1548
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 1: I could see part of it. It wasn't sure I

1549
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,799
Speaker 1: could see part of it. And I ripped a bugle

1550
01:31:57,840 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 1: and he said, he's still like he's still trying to

1551
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:01,759
Speaker 1: be like is that the he goaes the minute I bagle,

1552
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 1: that thing just stands up and beagles in his coming,

1553
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 1: like just coming coming so hard that he draws his

1554
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: bow back. Its because he doesn't want to have to

1555
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 1: get busted when he goes to draw his bow back.

1556
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 1: Did you even try? A cow calls, I was doing

1557
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 1: the whole littany, I was doing, Yanni potell Us. It

1558
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 1: wasn't until you bugle that he came. I feel like

1559
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: the first thing I did. I know, the first thing

1560
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:30,560
Speaker 1: I did was ripped a bugle. I was doing a combo,

1561
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: Yanni Phelps. The only thing that made it not a

1562
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 1: Yanni p tells is I wasn't beating brush yet, but

1563
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna get to that in a minute. He

1564
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 1: hadn't rolled. He probably didn't want rolling rocks And knowing

1565
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 1: I got his damn dog tied up. So he hunts

1566
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: that little dog. And the dog such a low riding dog,

1567
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 1: that little corky the elk can't usually see it anyway,

1568
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 1: And the dog like is the most obedient dog in

1569
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 1: the world. He like, he goes so much like to

1570
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 1: that dog. That dog stands behind him and walks behind

1571
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,599
Speaker 1: him like the dog knows what's up, and he knows

1572
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 1: you're hunt Elk. He's part of the team. Part of

1573
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 1: the team. But because we got two of us, and

1574
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 1: and I'm calling and Matt's going out ahead, I grab

1575
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 1: that dog's colling. The dog attacks me because he doesn't

1576
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:13,680
Speaker 1: like to be fired. He doesn't like to be far

1577
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 1: from Matt. So I took a chunk of para cord

1578
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: and tied a slipknot around that dog's neck so he

1579
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: couldn't get away without strangling himself. And I tied him

1580
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 1: to a bush. And at one point I was trying

1581
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 1: to get a look down in there to see what's

1582
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 1: going on, and I left forward. Bro that broke the

1583
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: dog's heart because he's like, now that my owner's gone,

1584
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: now this guy is leaving too. And I'm tied to

1585
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 1: a noose. So then I backed up, and I felt

1586
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 1: so bad for the dog. Just give me this horrible look.

1587
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: But um yeah, so he's as Susie biggle, then I was.

1588
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: Then I was calling to because then he starts bugling

1589
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 1: and I can hear him down there just ripping. So

1590
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: then I'm doing the whole I'm just making the whole show.

1591
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 1: And mattes he draws back the bull acrosses in front

1592
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 1: him at thirty two yards and he's gonna walk right through,

1593
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 1: and Matt just game a little whistle noise just because

1594
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:58,599
Speaker 1: just to stop him. The bull stops and Matt shoots,

1595
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,759
Speaker 1: and I hear like the shot, I hear the boom,

1596
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 1: the pumpkin thump, and I'm like, hell yeah, man, I

1597
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:08,640
Speaker 1: come running down and Matt's all distraught, see like he

1598
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 1: didn't see the arrow hit. And he's like, man, I

1599
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 1: feel like if it like if it didn't hit where

1600
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: I was looking, I don't know where, you know. He's

1601
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: all worked up. The dog. He's trying to trail the

1602
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 1: out the dogs like already gone because his dog is

1603
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 1: a trail. This dog trails elk. He like his dog

1604
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 1: is incredible shifty. So he's like telling his dog to

1605
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 1: get back. And we went and took a nap on

1606
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 1: a rock um and I'm laying there taking my nap

1607
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 1: and one point looking at dogs. It's got his nose

1608
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 1: up in the air and his dog is like dying

1609
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 1: to go, and he's like just sniffing air. And I

1610
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 1: stipped to him like it smells like a dead whatever

1611
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 1: a dead bull smells like. It smells like a dead bull.

1612
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 1: It smells like hot blood bull is like the strongest,

1613
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: most potent elk smell you could smell. And even the

1614
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 1: dogs like, dude, what in the world, what are these

1615
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 1: guys doing? And Matt's like curled up and think about

1616
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 1: taking a picture of Matt sleeping out of in the

1617
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 1: fetal position, and you know, you always go to negativity, know,

1618
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: because it's the best place to go. Uh. And meanwhile,

1619
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,799
Speaker 1: the things just laying dead right there, like it wrapped

1620
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:11,599
Speaker 1: around the hill and fell over dead. And so when

1621
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 1: I'm laying there thinking, like my god, that smells like

1622
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 1: the windward shifting. I get the smell like that has

1623
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 1: to be like an elk right there, We're laying like

1624
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 1: forty yards from this elk was just like right there. Yeah,

1625
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: because the way we went to find a rock to

1626
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,680
Speaker 1: sleep on, like when he shot the bull, the bull

1627
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: wrapped around a little mound and we kind of went

1628
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: on the mound, do you know what I'm saying. Then

1629
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 1: we went like back down off the mound fund the

1630
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 1: blood trail and basically wrapped around and a half loop

1631
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 1: to like back around it almost like where we just were.

1632
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 1: And we're going at first, there's no blood mats like

1633
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 1: I knew it. I blew it on the worst person

1634
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 1: on the planet. But also there's like a big pile

1635
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 1: of blood, and I'm thinking, because I'm already in a

1636
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 1: spotted negativity feeding off his negativity, that you don't even

1637
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 1: get a bad hit on something that there's like no blood.

1638
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 1: But then you find blood. It's only because it stood

1639
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 1: there for an hour trying to figure out what's going on,

1640
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 1: and you find that pile of blood, and you're like,

1641
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 1: this will be the last blood we find, because he

1642
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:07,080
Speaker 1: stopped and stood here for forty five minutes seeing what's

1643
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: going on, and then he clots up and walks off,

1644
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 1: and it was just a muscle wound. And we see

1645
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 1: this big pile of blood. And then I almost got

1646
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 1: like a more negative feeling because I was like, oh,

1647
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 1: he's stopped and stood. It's never good when they stop

1648
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 1: and stand. But then I look and the dogs licking

1649
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 1: up a pile of blood looks like the size of

1650
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 1: a TV tray, and the dogs like eating blood. And

1651
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,680
Speaker 1: then the dog moves along and I look and here's

1652
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 1: the bull all tangled up. I mean, this thing was

1653
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,800
Speaker 1: like we're like taking a nap like this, just like

1654
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 1: it's all like very confined. It was all this right there.

1655
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:39,639
Speaker 1: He's just like land here dead or dead. I don't

1656
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 1: know how he didn't hear it. Pilo got it all

1657
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 1: caught up and Matt have any uh. He he gave

1658
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 1: me a He gave me a hug. He wanted to

1659
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 1: have a hug. He gave me a long hug. Mean

1660
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 1: while the damn dog doesn't even realize that elk standing

1661
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 1: there because the dog wants to eat all the blood

1662
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:58,839
Speaker 1: as it goes along. So it's like laughing up blood,

1663
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:01,439
Speaker 1: bulls lander every He's all happy. He had a big hug,

1664
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 1: cut it all up when got his llamas um, brought

1665
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 1: it back to where we were sleeping, hung it up

1666
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 1: in a tree. Get the alcohol in a tree, so

1667
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 1: let us go have a look. Worked another bowl, no

1668
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 1: screaming his face off. He comes and I couldn't see

1669
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 1: in the way he came in. He probably came seventy

1670
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: seventy yards before he goldsted off, slept, woke up, and

1671
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 1: here's where the here's what the bad part of the

1672
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 1: story happens. All night. I can't sleep because the bulls

1673
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 1: ripping like it's like they're it's like they're ripping in

1674
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: our in our tent man, and then coles keep getting

1675
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 1: like they know we're like sleeping there, so like you're

1676
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 1: like you fall asleep and a like warning barking. You

1677
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 1: think like they're all gonna leave, but they like don't leave.

1678
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 1: It's the weird night. And I'm just like, dude, this

1679
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 1: is the most amazing thing. And we get up and

1680
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 1: we had to be hunting this place where is a

1681
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:57,679
Speaker 1: there's like there's seasonal motorized motorized used through this area

1682
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 1: and this this kind of such a weird story. Man,

1683
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 1: I almost hesitated to get into it. There's an outfitter

1684
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 1: to hunts this area, but he does drop camp stuff.

1685
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 1: But he has this very big gass drop camp and

1686
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 1: he generally hikes in hike hunters and sets up this

1687
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 1: big drop camp and guys hunt out of this big

1688
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: drop camp. Somehow, this guy he used to not allow

1689
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 1: dudes to do this, but somehow he opened it up

1690
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 1: and allows motorcycle guys. Now, like a horse pack in

1691
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 1: drop camp inhabited by guys on dirt bikes. Yeah, it's

1692
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 1: just right. Whatever whatever he used not allowed, now he

1693
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 1: allows it, right, Okay, so he'll pack in a big

1694
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 1: he'll pack in his wall, tense and everything established this

1695
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 1: big base camp where he can go fetch elk on mules.

1696
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:50,719
Speaker 1: But then guys can ride into the camp on dirt

1697
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 1: bikes because they're scared of grizzlies. So they like to

1698
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 1: have a big, elaborate place to go sleep at night

1699
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 1: where they don't have to be scared of grizzlies. They

1700
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 1: don't want to sleep out like just out in the mountains.

1701
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:02,680
Speaker 1: They want to sleep at like a big place with

1702
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 1: all this hubbub going on. Yeah, and he's got a

1703
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:08,679
Speaker 1: big guy. He's got a big electric fence around the camp. Yeah.

1704
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 1: So these guys, these dirt bike guys, are scared of grizzlies,

1705
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:13,680
Speaker 1: but they want to hunt the area. One of these

1706
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:16,799
Speaker 1: guys was saying once that he can't even go, uh,

1707
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 1: he can't even go drop a deuce without bringing someone

1708
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 1: with me, so scared of grizzlies. So he's not that's

1709
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 1: not a comfortable experience. Now, and we're in this meadow

1710
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 1: and he's elkmen ripping online in this meadow, and we

1711
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 1: get up in the dark and we're getting we go

1712
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:32,799
Speaker 1: up into the edge of the timber, so we're looking

1713
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 1: down and we're like, Okay, as soon as the light

1714
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 1: comes up, we're gonna see what's going on and make

1715
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 1: a plan and all some and again, man, this trail

1716
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: is open up until something it's seasonally open, not to

1717
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 1: its seasonally opened up to dirt bikes. And Matt's like

1718
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 1: he just wants to drift off the trail, and I'm like,

1719
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm like mildly annoyed, and I stopped and express my

1720
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 1: annoyance to the dirt biker. But it's like I feel

1721
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 1: bad about it because it is legal. But it's like,

1722
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:06,720
Speaker 1: it'd be legal for me to be up there with

1723
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 1: a marching band. Uh If if I determined that it

1724
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 1: was most effective to hunt with a marching band, it

1725
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:20,240
Speaker 1: would be legal for me to be up there with

1726
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 1: a marching band. It's not illegal as long as you're

1727
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:29,560
Speaker 1: not having like a gathering for oh, exp'd be oversized. Okay,

1728
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 1: I could legally be up there with a five man

1729
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: marching band with a trumpeter, like like I could have

1730
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 1: a trumpeter, I could have the cavalry. I'm not breaking law.

1731
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 1: So it's like we're not debating legality. It's not. It's like, sure,

1732
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:43,760
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of stuff that's legal, But is it

1733
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 1: smart when you're in like the prime and I know

1734
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,679
Speaker 1: where they camp there's we're in it. The elk eventually

1735
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:54,599
Speaker 1: move out, but they're in it, Like is that smart? Like?

1736
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:56,800
Speaker 1: Or is it better to maybe wait till eleven in

1737
01:40:56,840 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 1: the morning and do your travel on a motor cycle

1738
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 1: and not blow through and you can't hear the thing.

1739
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 1: It's hunting spots or hunting elk, right, It's like you

1740
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:09,719
Speaker 1: when you're when you're on it, you can't hear bugling,

1741
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 1: so you're blowing through. You're you're like, you're blowing through

1742
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:19,599
Speaker 1: a meadow. Were elker ripping and you don't know they're ripping?

1743
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 1: It's just what you said. The guy's hunting a spot,

1744
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 1: he's not hunting elk, right, So he's like, I go

1745
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 1: to this spot and there's usually elk there, so I

1746
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 1: gotta get to that spot. And by making that choice,

1747
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 1: you have then eliminated for most circumstances, you've you've eliminated

1748
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:45,639
Speaker 1: hunting elk in the transition zone between trailhead and the

1749
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 1: spot that you're going. No, I feel horrible about it.

1750
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 1: I feel horrible about you said where are you camping?

1751
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 1: I said, right here? But did you ask the guy

1752
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 1: what his motivation was to be ripped? Ripping on the

1753
01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 1: said he's headed off, he goes old works, we're headed

1754
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:04,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, how would he know. I just

1755
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:06,559
Speaker 1: feel bad about it. I feel bad about it. It

1756
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:10,599
Speaker 1: is because I've been at trailheads. I killed the bowl,

1757
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 1: none of the we're nowhere near a trailhead. Um, but

1758
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 1: I started at a trailhead with a guy unloading his

1759
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:22,640
Speaker 1: motorbike and I've thrown my backpack and start as I

1760
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 1: have to go down the trail, and he gets like, well,

1761
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 1: where are you going. I'm like, well, I'm heading down

1762
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:29,240
Speaker 1: the trail till I hear a bugle. Well, I was

1763
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 1: going down this trail. I was like, man, you can.

1764
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 1: And I knew that country very well, and I'm like,

1765
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 1: you can drive a hundred and fifty miles on this trail.

1766
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, ums around, I'm not, I'm not gonna get

1767
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 1: that far. I'm like, I'm sure you're gonna get further

1768
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: than I am. Um, you know it's pitch black and

1769
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,840
Speaker 1: and um. I never did see the guy that that day,

1770
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 1: but went about, um, several miles further than I should do,

1771
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 1: and I killed a bowl that morning. Yeah, I don't

1772
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:06,720
Speaker 1: know what. I still don't know. I feel, like I said,

1773
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 1: I feel guilty about it, because like you know, I

1774
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:10,000
Speaker 1: feel guilty about it, but I also feel like, come

1775
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 1: on man, Yeah, but I mean that's the nice part though,

1776
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 1: is you know that they're gonna miss plenty of opportunities

1777
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 1: using that means to travel, and they're gonna find opportunities

1778
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:23,200
Speaker 1: that you're not using that means to travel. Yeah, the

1779
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 1: smart thing would have been just to do it, just

1780
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 1: to slip off, just the ghost off the trail and

1781
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:30,639
Speaker 1: then rip a big old bugle. What if he wasn't

1782
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 1: hunting and he just decided to be at dawn, I

1783
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't have cared at all. Right, there's plenty of dudes

1784
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 1: in those little evil kinevil suits driving those trails, and

1785
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 1: during the daytime a motorbikes. I would look like, that's

1786
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 1: not even that's not my business. Is like, yeah, there's

1787
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:49,640
Speaker 1: plenty of pleasure riders. But the thing the assumption you

1788
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:53,559
Speaker 1: make is like they're usually in the cold gray light

1789
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:58,120
Speaker 1: of dawn. Turn it out right, they kind of go

1790
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 1: there like they ride out in the daytime pleasure cruising.

1791
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:04,120
Speaker 1: That's what struck me as weird as like you're hunting,

1792
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:08,599
Speaker 1: you're hunting that zoom Walt deal. We would get up

1793
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 1: at normal wear ely archery, elk season hunting time, you know,

1794
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 1: four am, wake up, and then basically have get our

1795
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:25,559
Speaker 1: gear ready, get sandwiches ready for the day. I have

1796
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 1: a couple of cups coffee, wait for it to start

1797
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 1: getting light, and then get going, just based off the

1798
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 1: fact that we know if we tried to go anywhere

1799
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 1: at night, we'd be bumping out the whole time. You know,

1800
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,679
Speaker 1: me and Yanni were in the exact opposite situation yesterday

1801
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 1: where we were we went out in the morning to

1802
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 1: a state chunk to do some rifle shooting. We met

1803
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 1: up there at seven thirty am to do some gun shooting,

1804
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 1: and it turns out there there was some dudes trying

1805
01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:01,600
Speaker 1: to bow hunt, just eight section and they came and

1806
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 1: expressed there. One of them came and expressed his displeasure. Yeah,

1807
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 1: seven thirty in the morning, you gotta come out shooting guns. Yeah,

1808
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:15,640
Speaker 1: early September multi use and we're kind of like, yeah,

1809
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:19,160
Speaker 1: I got you, I got you. It's like I wasn't

1810
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:24,320
Speaker 1: like it's legal. I was like, yeah, that kind of

1811
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 1: made me feel bad. It kind of makes me feel

1812
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: like dah now for sure. And the thing is too, like,

1813
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:31,479
Speaker 1: if there had been any sign I think that somebody

1814
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 1: was haunting it, we probably would have made Plan B. Definitely,

1815
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 1: you know, but there we had no idea. No, and

1816
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 1: if I had known, you know. But then I was like,

1817
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, it says you have these weird interactions. It's

1818
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 1: it'd always be better if someone could tell you, hey,

1819
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 1: tomorrow you're gonna have a weird interaction and here's what's

1820
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:48,760
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Then you can plan out like, oh, here's

1821
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 1: what I'll do when I had that interaction, I'll be

1822
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 1: real cool. Yeah, and I'll have you know, I'll express

1823
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:57,519
Speaker 1: this complex. That wouldn't be much fun. He said, you're

1824
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:04,920
Speaker 1: like dah legal. One last question here. I know we

1825
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 1: got to wrap it up, but um, did you miss

1826
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 1: your production crew? No? Just your brother. No, I didn't

1827
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:16,839
Speaker 1: miss anything about it. I took some cell phone videos.

1828
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:23,000
Speaker 1: It was so good being back out with my brother. Yeah, dude,

1829
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:24,760
Speaker 1: it was so good. That's why I didn't even want

1830
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:29,760
Speaker 1: to shoot. I just wanted to have, you know, let

1831
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 1: him you know, party wasn't thinking if I just nose

1832
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:34,840
Speaker 1: over this Cliff a little bit. I might be able

1833
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:37,960
Speaker 1: to snag that bowl out from I was enjoying myself

1834
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:41,280
Speaker 1: so much I didn't want to shoot. That's awesome. I

1835
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 1: love it, dude. It was fun. Man. He's a good hunter. Man. Yeah,

1836
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 1: he's a good hunter, like just because like the just

1837
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 1: the girl I love map out there an enormous amount

1838
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:00,960
Speaker 1: of gur It sounds like a headcase. So like he

1839
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:03,679
Speaker 1: does a lot of Like, dude, he bowls, having beat

1840
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 1: before he gets on the trail. No, he's like mad Jack.

1841
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 1: Remember Grizzly Adams. Yeah, he's like a crazy guy. Water

1842
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:12,680
Speaker 1: and the hill man, I'm sure he's got I'm sure

1843
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 1: to be like. Oh, and there's an insane person that

1844
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:16,639
Speaker 1: wanders the hills out here. You'll see him. He uses

1845
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 1: an alcohol stove and takes his time cooking. Yeah, like

1846
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:23,760
Speaker 1: to listen for bugles. He's got a button for he's

1847
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:27,639
Speaker 1: got his pants button. And you'll know his camp because

1848
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 1: there would be fifty half gallon bottles of vodka and

1849
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 1: gins thrown about. But he's not drinking at all. No,

1850
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 1: he's for carrying water. That's one thing I laughed about

1851
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 1: because he when he packs him as long as they

1852
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:41,880
Speaker 1: got they don't have that much to carry. So he

1853
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:45,040
Speaker 1: packs in tons of water and he drinks gin and tonics,

1854
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:48,599
Speaker 1: and so all his water bottles are two Leader tonic

1855
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 1: bottles and in half gallon vodka bottles. And if you look,

1856
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:55,040
Speaker 1: you can see the ratio when he empties his panniers out,

1857
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:57,839
Speaker 1: you can see the ratio of like his ratio of vodka,

1858
01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 1: like it takes him like three. It takes him like

1859
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 1: three two lead bottles a tonic to get through a

1860
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:08,719
Speaker 1: half gallon of vodka. So the ratio is like fixed

1861
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:12,640
Speaker 1: would be like six half gallons of vodka and eighteen

1862
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:16,559
Speaker 1: bottles of tonic, all full of drinking waters in a pile.

1863
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:18,840
Speaker 1: He just like throws him in a big pile. You're

1864
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:21,360
Speaker 1: always looking at a good time, are you? If you

1865
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:24,400
Speaker 1: roll'd be like one of these alcoholics. But they're all

1866
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 1: like you can tell, he's been using all these bottles

1867
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 1: for like years. At one time got him turned down

1868
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:32,719
Speaker 1: to these army water bottles, and he had some reason

1869
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:34,600
Speaker 1: he didn't like him, like he didn't like he's like

1870
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:37,040
Speaker 1: he much prefers a good two Leader bottle with the

1871
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:41,680
Speaker 1: label still at it. Dude, he's a good hunter man.

1872
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 1: He's good hunter. He's good hunter because he's like methodic.

1873
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 1: He's just a good hunter because just like the girl,

1874
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 1: he just just goes and goes and goes and doesn't care.

1875
01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 1: It's like you could be like, oh, you know if

1876
01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 1: you woke up and someone stole his boot. Right, he's

1877
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:05,840
Speaker 1: just being but he's prepared for it. He's prepared. My

1878
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:08,880
Speaker 1: boot's gone and he would just still hunt. Man, he's

1879
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Speaker 1: prepared for that. With the way at the rate that

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Speaker 1: he loses pieces of gear, he usually has two or

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01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:17,519
Speaker 1: three pairs of foot wear with him. Yeah, he'd like

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Speaker 1: kill a lum and rapids, hide around his foot and

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01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:23,479
Speaker 1: hunt another couple of days. Yeah, that cracks me up. Man,

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Speaker 1: get to taken care of thom. Uh yeah, good jobs.

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Speaker 1: That's probably the first boy you've ever called in for

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Speaker 1: for a kill. Yeah yeah, yeah, good job. I learned everything.

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Speaker 1: I learned everything. It's pretty sweet Montana home coming, right,

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Speaker 1: that's your first now, because we used to go out

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Speaker 1: and just try to get out and we killed elk

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Speaker 1: like that, but just go out and get out in

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Speaker 1: front of him and then that doesn't work and get

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Speaker 1: out in front of them. But dude, it's so much

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Speaker 1: more fun. So much more fun, cool cool, so much

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01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 1: more fun. Things last longer. Oh yeah, when I first

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Speaker 1: met you, you thought the calling out just made him

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Speaker 1: run the the direction. For us, we had those same

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01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:07,559
Speaker 1: preemost bite and blowcall everybody else head. We don't know

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01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:09,559
Speaker 1: how to use it. You'd like blow that in it

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Speaker 1: as the answer. You hear that. Oh that's good, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: that's a good warring. Do your morning call again, far

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Speaker 1: off vehicle. There it is, there it is. Oh hey,

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Speaker 1: You can netflix that ship. I don't mean that, I

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Speaker 1: mean you can go watch it all. That's right, all right,

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Speaker 1: thank you. You guys don't know about it yet, but

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Speaker 1: we just kind of are announcing this today that we

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Speaker 1: here at Meat Eater bought a farm. Well, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: eventually do it. This farm is uh is a surprise

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Speaker 1: that will come out in time. But what we're doing

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Speaker 1: first off is we're gonna take one lucky winner out

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Speaker 1: to hunt with me and Mark Kenyon on this farm.

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Speaker 1: It's in Michigan. We're trying over the next you know,

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Speaker 1: a couple of years here to turn it into a

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Speaker 1: wildlife paradise, not just turkeys and deer, pollinators, birds, everything, man.

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Speaker 1: We want to make it bloom. We want to hunt

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Speaker 1: there with you if you want to hook up with

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Speaker 1: me and Mark Kenyon and win this hunt and come

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Speaker 1: hang out we wild game at night, we'll hunt all day,

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Speaker 1: we'll do all kinds of fun stuff for a few days.

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Speaker 1: our new farm with me and Mark Kenyon and we

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