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Speaker 1: Our individual and religious liberties are under attack. If we

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Speaker 1: This is Outlowed with Gianno calledwell. Welcome back to Allow

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Speaker 1: with Gianno calledwey. I'm so excited for today's show, and

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Speaker 1: when I tell you excited, I am truly excited. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is the great Doctor Ben Carson, the founder

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Speaker 1: problems our nation face. From March twenty seventeenth to January,

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Speaker 1: Dr Carson served in the Trump administration is the seventeenth

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Speaker 1: I'll ask Dr Carson about his extraordinary life, his new institute,

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Speaker 1: I'm just so ecstatic to have one of my heroes

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure now the

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Speaker 1: How Conservatism can win back to the Americans and Liberalism failed.

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Speaker 1: Dr Carson. Well, you know, it's interesting you mentioned the

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Speaker 1: We beat panic. Can we say that's just going but

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Speaker 1: I think it's actually very important detonation see how the

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Speaker 1: believed it if you just said, you know, they're going

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't do that. Now you can see they would

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Speaker 1: do that, And I think that's very important going forward. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and that makes me wonder And by the way, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that faith it gives you. Confidence is faith is

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Speaker 1: the assurance the confidence the title deed the scripture says,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Now do you think that the Republicans

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Speaker 1: are going to win back the House and the Senate

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Speaker 1: are courageous enough to insist on election reform an election integrity,

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Speaker 1: absolutely they went it back. If they leave things like

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Speaker 1: they are, they'll never win anything back. Mm hmm. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you look at the things that happened when you have

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter whether you get the balance in one time

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Speaker 1: indicating that they weren't actually mailed. None of that stuff

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Speaker 1: really matter just okay, Well, as long as you're letting

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Speaker 1: that go on, forget it, you're never gonna win anything. Right,

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Speaker 1: So we'll see what Republicans do, but you can't do

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Speaker 1: much of you don't have the majority. So understanding that federally,

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Speaker 1: that that's an issue, but certainly we have a lot

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Speaker 1: of state houses and governorships that that kind of legislative

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Speaker 1: reform can be implemented. There's a lot of concentration on

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Speaker 1: that now, and that's that's a very good thing. It

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Speaker 1: will help us. And and shining the light and insisting

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Speaker 1: on you know, one of the things that the Democrats

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Speaker 1: do is they insist on things even when they're in

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Speaker 1: the minority. They seem to be much better at that.

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Speaker 1: And the Republicans just getting their way. We need to

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Speaker 1: look at their playbook. Yeah, I think to a degree,

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Speaker 1: Donald up had already looked at the playbook and ran

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Speaker 1: it pretty pretty hardcore. But speaking of that, as you know,

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Speaker 1: in January, there was issues at the at the Capitol.

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Speaker 1: There was a riot at the capital. As you know,

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Speaker 1: there's been numerous figures within the Trump administration who said

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Speaker 1: that they either don't support the president anymore or they're

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Speaker 1: ending their move into the movement and meaning to make

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Speaker 1: America great again. They're not going to be a part

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Speaker 1: of it. Some very prominent folks Nicki Haley among others,

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Speaker 1: and Stacy Dash it was just released reported anyway, she

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Speaker 1: said that after that happened at the Capitol that she's

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Speaker 1: no longer part of the mega movement. But I believe

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Speaker 1: she still considers herself to be a conservative. How did

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Speaker 1: that impact you and and what do you think about

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Speaker 1: that situation? Well, I have a tendency to be a

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Speaker 1: big picture guy. I look at the big picture, and

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Speaker 1: are fractionated, cannot join forces and work together, whether it's

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump at the head of the table or whoever

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Speaker 1: it is at the head of the table, if we

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Speaker 1: cannot unite behind them because of our little pet teeds

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Speaker 1: and little things and anger in us, and we're not

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Speaker 1: And again take a take a page from the democrats playbook.

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Speaker 1: They had big disagreements. You know, you have those who

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Speaker 1: are moderate and those who are far left, but they

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Speaker 1: put it behind them when it comes to something important

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Speaker 1: to them. And if conservatives learn how to do that,

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Speaker 1: believe me, they will be a formidable force, and that's

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Speaker 1: why there are a lot of people out there feigning

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Speaker 1: those flames. They want the Conservatives to be divided and

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Speaker 1: each other's Believe me, that's the only way that they

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Speaker 1: can stay in power. I understand that certainly. I want

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Speaker 1: to pick up from there in a moment, but first

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Speaker 1: let's go to break in terms of the capital of

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Speaker 1: the riot at the Capitol how how did that impact

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Speaker 1: you specifically? How did you feel about that situation? Do

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Speaker 1: you steal support the president? Are you giving up on

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Speaker 1: the movement? Are you continuing stronger? Straight straight ahead? How

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Speaker 1: did it impact you? Well, it was horrible, but I

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Speaker 1: do not buy into the fact that that the President

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Speaker 1: caused it, And the FBI has plenty of evidence now

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Speaker 1: that there were groups who were planning this long before

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Speaker 1: the president speech, and they were warned about it, and

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Speaker 1: in fact, the President had recommended that they had ten

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Speaker 1: thousand trips there and others had requested it, and it

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Speaker 1: was the leadership of the House that detailed it because

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Speaker 1: they didn't think it would look good. That were the

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Speaker 1: real blame lies. You have that many people, and you

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Speaker 1: know you have some who have nefarious intentions, and you

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Speaker 1: don't provide the kind of security that's necessary. And then

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Speaker 1: you want to blame that all on one person. I

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Speaker 1: don't think so. But does he bear any any blame

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Speaker 1: in this situation? He said he was going to go

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Speaker 1: to the capital. Well, I think there's plenty of blame

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Speaker 1: to go around. You know, there there were warnings that

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Speaker 1: everybody could have heeded, and I think, you know, we

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Speaker 1: we should have done everything we could to make sure

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Speaker 1: that we cool the situation. No, particularly knowing that there

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Speaker 1: were groups there who were intending to be violent. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So so President Trump could have approached it quite differently

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Speaker 1: than he did. Yeah, I mean, I think and in

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Speaker 1: virtually every situation that goes awry, you know, in retrospect,

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Speaker 1: you could have done upsetter mm hmm. No, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: that that assessment. Dr Carson. Now, but before I let

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Speaker 1: you go, I wanted to ask you about, um, your

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Speaker 1: career in medicine clearly enormously successful, a giant in the

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Speaker 1: medical field. UM, And you've talked about before how you

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Speaker 1: got interested in medicine. Now, is there is still a

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Speaker 1: chance that you might go back into medicine at some point?

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Speaker 1: Would you would you do that? Pretty unlikely at age

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Speaker 1: sixty nine. I think I probably would. I would find

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Speaker 1: it a little more uh stressful and demanding that my

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Speaker 1: body might have the energy for. But I stayed obviously

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Speaker 1: quite interested in it. Still do a lot of reading

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Speaker 1: and keeping up with what's going on. Okay, I understand,

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Speaker 1: And let me ask you this question, which I think

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Speaker 1: would probably be a head scratcher. If the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: wanted to use you in an advisatory capacity, would you

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Speaker 1: do it? As a medical expert? I would always be

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Speaker 1: willing to do things to help our nation. I don't

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Speaker 1: care who was asking. No. I appreciate that, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. I'm not a highly person person, but I

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Speaker 1: am a highly patriotic person, and if there are things

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Speaker 1: that can be done that were supporting Uplift donation, always

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Speaker 1: do those things. All right? Well, I appreciate that one.

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Speaker 1: In final question to you, Dr Carson, you obviously became

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Speaker 1: well known for your work as a newer certain years ago,

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Speaker 1: but you first gained national fame, if you will, in

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Speaker 1: a political context among conservatives in when you spoke at

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Speaker 1: the National Proper Breakfasts and seemed to be critical of

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Speaker 1: then President Obama's policies. Did you ever think back then

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Speaker 1: that one day you would have served in the president's

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Speaker 1: cabinet and be so involved in politics and the leadership capacity.

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Speaker 1: Uh no, that that certainly was not part of the plan.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting though, you know, some of the people on

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Speaker 1: the left have said to me that was very offensive

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Speaker 1: what you said during that prayer breakfast, and I said,

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Speaker 1: it seems to me that it would only be offensive

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Speaker 1: or sort of if it applied to you, which made

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Speaker 1: him eve the name here. I'm sure it did. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure it did. Is there anything new for you coming up?

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Speaker 1: Do you have any big projects coming up? The folks

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Speaker 1: at homes you knew about? And where can people find you?

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Speaker 1: On social media? And Elselie, Well, people should go to

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Speaker 1: American Cornerstone dot org and uh there's some beautiful video

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Speaker 1: tapes there, uh, some news letters, op eds, all kinds

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Speaker 1: of things, and there's even a donate button, so there's

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Speaker 1: all kind of good things to do there. Get involved.

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Speaker 1: This is the real key thing. This country is up

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Speaker 1: for it and by the people, not up formed by

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Speaker 1: the government, and that means we have to take an

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Speaker 1: active role. If we don't take an active role, the

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Speaker 1: government just expands and we wind up with the very

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Speaker 1: kind of situation that people were fleeing from when they

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Speaker 1: came to this country in the first place. So so true.

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Speaker 1: And is Dr Ben Carson on social media? Uh? We

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Speaker 1: have UH Facebook page and we'll continue to to use that,

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Speaker 1: but we're also looking at some other very interesting developing

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Speaker 1: platforms to make sure that you and actually get your

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Speaker 1: voice out there without worrying about whether somebody is going

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Speaker 1: to be looking over your shoulder and deciding whether you

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Speaker 1: can say that or not. Thank you so so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me here on out Loud with Giano Caldwell

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Speaker 1: and your your message. We'll go far along. We we

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Speaker 1: really appreciate for all you mean to this country, to

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Speaker 1: this world, and UH, as a Christian one Christian to another,

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Speaker 1: thank you for continuing to speak about your faith because

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who are hurting, who can't

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Speaker 1: see a way forward, but they hear about your story

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Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden they believe. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's certainly an aspect of faith and abundance. So

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Speaker 1: thank you, UH, and we're praying for you, and thank

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Speaker 1: you for what you're doing for our country. We really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. I want to give a special thanks to

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Speaker 1: Dr Ben Carson for an extraordinary interview. If you're enjoying

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