1 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Saber Protection of iHeartRadio. I'm any 2 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Reo and. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: I'm Lauren Bolblabaum, and today we have an episode of 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: listener Mail for you. 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: Yes, you know we love these. Yes, Oh, y'all are 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: so delightful you are, and we love that you take 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: the time to write in and you share these stories 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: with us, and we love how you interact with each 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: other after hearing from each other. It's the best. It's wonderful. 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: It's been a minute since we've done one of these. 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: And I counted on you, Lauren, because I was just like, 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what number. This is, no idea. 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: I did have to look it up. This is number 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: twenty two, just my favorite numbers. 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: Oh it is okay, great, cool, Yes, but yeah, thanks 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: as always to everyone for writing in. We've got some 17 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: really good ones today. 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, some real meaty ones. Yeah. Truly truly a 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,279 Speaker 2: spot of joy in a really heck and weird world 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: that we're living in right now. So so thank you 21 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: all so much. But yeah, you want to dive in, yes, 22 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: I will start. 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: And I do have to say I have loved how 24 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: many people have written about pasta Sality, especially after Lauren's 25 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: pretty Uh. I won't to say not intense, but just like. 26 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: Slightly slightly harsh. 27 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that's okay. Yeah, but that didn't stop 28 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: you all? 29 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: No as well? 30 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: It should shunt. Yeah, no, it shouldn't. So we've got 31 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: some pasta sality emails here. Kelsey wrote, when Savor's latest 32 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: episodes started in my cueue this afternoon, I was prepping supper, 33 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: specifically pasta salad. I had not glanced at the title 34 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: or synopsis before listening. It was very fun listening to 35 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: you talk about pasta salad while I made some. When 36 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: I make pasta salad, it is usually because it is 37 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: hot out and I am trying to avoid cooking late 38 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: in the day. It is always a what have I 39 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: got and how can I use it? 40 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 2: For centure. 41 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: Occasionally I crave a lemony garlicky feta and olive strewn taboule, 42 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: but no one else in my house really wants that, 43 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: so it's just for me. Tonight's pasta salad is fusilli 44 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: with grated parmesan dice, tomato dice, bell pepper, corn, and 45 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: chopped pickled chilis. The dressing is salsa, canola oil and 46 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: a bit of mayo, a squirt of ketchup with cumin, coriander, paprika, 47 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: and regano all run through the food processor to smooth 48 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: and emulsify. It'll be served alongside grilled Smoky's and a 49 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: green salad. I have to say all of your sometimes 50 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm so envious of your dinner situations listeners when I 51 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: hear what you do and how you have these go 52 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: to recipes. My mom, she was a big to boulet. 53 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: Oh she loved it, but similarly, my brothers and dad 54 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: didn't really like it, so it was just for her also. 55 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that sounds that sounds delightful. That 56 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: sounds like the tabulet one sounds like exactly what I 57 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: would like to eat. That other one if you left 58 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: out the pasta, I would be great with it. But uh, yeah, 59 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: it's just a personal thing that I'm going to have 60 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: to continue working through, you know or not? 61 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, lean in. 62 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I also appreciate like it's a like a summertime. 63 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: It's a fun time. I can make this. I have 64 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: to say, this is something I have to work through. 65 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: If I see like I have to put something in 66 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: a food processor. 67 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: Oh oh man, we need to get you like one 68 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: of those little immersion blenders. 69 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: That you just have. 70 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 2: Oh it's so easy, Annie, I know. 71 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: E'sye. I know, I need to work through it. Okay, 72 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: we both have things. Maybe we'll think about more. 73 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: There you go. There, that's always always room for self consideration. Sure, yes, uh, 74 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: Cale wrote, Hi Annie and Lauren, your recent episode on 75 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 2: You Guessed It? Pasta Salad had me considering whether or 76 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: not it is a dish I actually enjoy. I loved 77 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 2: the butt when you say how it's never really the 78 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: main event, but more of a side option at potlucks 79 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: and barbecues. This is eventually what I decided as well, 80 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: and ultimately it's a side I most often try to 81 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: avoid due to my sensory issues with certain food textures. 82 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: Lo and behold. A few days later, my partner lovingly 83 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: made pasta salad as a main dish for dinner. I 84 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: took this as a sign from the universe that maybe 85 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: it was time for me to give it another chance, 86 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: especially because the dish was a childhood favorite of my partners, 87 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: as her mother would make it on hot days because 88 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: of its simplicity and well general coldness. The verdict, I 89 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 2: can now say I am a big fan of my 90 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: partner's pasta salad. It is still up for debate whether 91 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: I enjoy all pasta salads or just this one. But 92 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 2: I do think any dish made with love is a 93 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: dish worth trying, regardless of past experiences. While my partner's 94 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: mom passed away some years ago and I never had 95 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 2: the pleasure of meeting her, I feel so lucky I 96 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: get to meet her in all the wonderful qualities and 97 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: traditions my partner shares with me. Thanks so much for 98 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: continuing to be a bright spot in my week and 99 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: for allowing me the opportunity to cry about pasta salad. 100 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: Oh always, absolutely, we support crying about food. Oh but yeah, 101 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 2: that is so lovely. That's really cool. 102 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 1: That is that is and there is something special about 103 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: someone sharing something that is important to them, that has 104 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: this history, maybe to their family or something. And so 105 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: there's something about that that I do think adds an 106 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: extra like, okay, I can taste how much you love this? Almost? 107 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? And of course any personal dietary restrictions notwithstanding. 108 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: You know, if if someone makes a dish with love, 109 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: you know, even if you're even if you think you 110 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: might not like it. Try it, Try it, you might 111 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: be so pleasantly surprised. Yeah, yeah, when you can. When 112 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: it's when it's safe too, you know, yeah, have fun 113 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: out there. 114 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, don't make yourself miserable. But no, Generally, 115 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: when people make something, I think they want to share it, 116 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: and they're happy to share it, and so if you're 117 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: open to it, I say, go for it. 118 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely no. 119 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: Bass the salad. Okay, Now we have a note from 120 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: Ric about a couple different things. Ark wrote, Dorito's are 121 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: an interesting snack. I can't recall anyone coming close to 122 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: making a similar slash clone of the chip. They are 123 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: a chip I enjoy, but it is also a chip 124 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: that I need to be in the mood for. They 125 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: do hit the spot when in the mood. If I'm 126 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: going to have a walking taco, I will take Dorito's 127 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: over Frito's. While Frito's are the original, I think Dorito's 128 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: make a better walking taco. I've also used them in 129 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: a taco salad instead of regular tortilla chips to give 130 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: a bit of a twist. They do have a variety 131 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: of flavors, but there is something about the original nacho 132 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: and cool ranch flavors. I've tried a couple of different 133 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: flavors over the years, but nothing really struck me. If 134 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: I go overseas at some point again, I'll have to 135 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: look and see what is there and even compare their 136 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: base nacho to what we have here. Oo Oh, pasta salad. 137 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: I know you are definitely going to hear a lot 138 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: of strong video here. While I don't mind pasta salad, 139 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: I think there are very few that are done really 140 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: well to the point that I want to have more. 141 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: During the summer or at potluck type gatherings, I'll grab 142 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: a small bite to try. I think a large majority 143 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: fall into the It's fine, but nothing really special or 144 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: memorable going on. The dressing really makes a difference on it. 145 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: I generally encountered it either being overdressed or underdressed, and 146 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: when overdressed it seems like it will be an oil 147 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: bomb or a Mayo bomb. Yes, with the dressing, I 148 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: think an oil based one works better for the most part. 149 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: While I like a good Mayo for the most part, 150 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: I think mayo and pasta don't really go together. Well. 151 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: Maybe someone can change her mind, but I haven't found 152 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: one I liked yet. Seems like it is more common 153 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: with elbow macaroni for some reason, and oil and vinegar 154 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: with the appropriate herbs works better. As Lauren mentioned, she 155 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: might like an orizo based pasta salad more. Those are 156 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: generally simpler and not overdone. Just cook up some orizo ads, 157 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: some good chopped olives, dice cucumber, some sliced cherry or 158 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: grape tomatoes, a little finely diced red onion or shallot, 159 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: and a little asiago. Then at a dressing of your choice, 160 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: a simple herb red wine vinaigrette would go well. I 161 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: don't have a recipe handy, but I do remember having 162 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: one like this that was definitely one of the better ones. 163 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: Also a wild thought, maybe if we take a sosa 164 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: pasta salad add some doritos to it. Finally, I can't 165 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: remember if you've done an episode on lentils. I've been 166 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: cooking with them a lot more recently. They are so versatile. 167 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: We we have a November of twenty twenty two, the 168 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: sentimental lentil episode. Yes, classic title. Hats off to Annie 169 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: for those titles all the time. 170 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: I have to say, I'm loving this sort of Madman esque. 171 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: Let's just add doritos to it. 172 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. Why let's go Yeah, walking taco withas 173 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: I do think that sounds really good. That sounds slightly 174 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: overwhelming to me, Like Dorito's are already kind of like 175 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: a heightened flavor experience, and so I'm like, would I 176 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: be able to handle a walking taco dorito situation? 177 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: Only one way to find. 178 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: Out, right, And yeah, like why not put some cool 179 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: ranch Dorito's into your nice orzo pasta salad? I don't 180 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: see where we could possibly go wrong? 181 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: No, I mean at least the experiment will give more knowledge, 182 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: more data, and you can go from there. 183 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: Which is always worth having. 184 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, And I really hope more listeners continue 185 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: to write in about pasta salads and perhaps experiments with Dorito's. 186 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: I think that would be great. Love that. 187 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: I love that other people have strong opinions about this. 188 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: That's I mean, I shouldn't be surprised. We have strong 189 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: opinions about just about every. 190 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: Food out there. But yeah, here we are. Yes, it's fantastic. 191 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: Well, we do have a bunch more listener mail for you, 192 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: but first we've got a quick break for award from 193 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: our sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you, 194 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: and uh Okay, Nova wrote first, let me thank you 195 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: for doing an episode on cultured meats. I was very 196 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: sad to hear that bistro and vitro was never a 197 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: real thing. I'll have to wait a bit longer to 198 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: sample some lab meat, though apparently not in my home 199 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: state of Florida. To make it more relevant, I've been 200 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: waiting for a Saber Classics episode to come up on 201 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: chocolate chip cookies to write you this email, but decided 202 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: to throw caution into the wind and send it anyways. 203 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: Based on your cultural references, I deduce that both of 204 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: you are in my age group or thereabouts, so you 205 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: probably remember the days of the chain email. You may 206 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: have even seen this one come through your inbox at 207 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: some point in time, because it's been around for a 208 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: long time. I received it in two thousand and nine. 209 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: It was possibly a chain letter even before or email 210 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: was commonly used. I always had my doubts as to 211 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: its authenticity, but either way, I have made these cookies 212 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 2: several times and they are yummy. Indeed, it's a bit 213 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: long winded, so feel free to paraphrase Okay and then 214 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: Nova pastes in this chain email. That is a thing 215 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: that exists, so okay, let's go into it a little background. 216 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: Nieman Marcus, if you don't know already, is a very 217 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: expensive store. They sell your typical eight dollars shirt for 218 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: fifty dollars. Let's let them have it. This is a 219 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: true story. Good mark of any actual true story on 220 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 2: the internet. 221 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: Okay. 222 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: My daughter and I had just finished a salad at 223 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: Anemen Marcus cafe in Dallas, and we decided to have 224 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: a small dessert. Because both of us are such cookie lovers, 225 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: we decided to try the Nemen Marcus cookie. It was 226 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: so excellent that I asked if they would give me 227 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 2: the recipe, and the waitress said, with a small frown, 228 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: I'm afraid not, but you can buy the recipe. 229 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: Well. 230 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: I asked how much, and she responded, only two fifty 231 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: it's a great deal. I agreed to that and told 232 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: her to just add it to my tab. Thirty days later, 233 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: I received my visa statement and the Nieman Marcus charge 234 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: was two hundred and eighty five dollars. I looked again 235 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: and I remembered I had only spent like nine to 236 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 2: ninety five for two salads and about twenty dollars for 237 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, 238 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: it said cookie recipe two hundred and fifty dollars. This 239 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: was outrageous. I called Neeman's accounting department and told them 240 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: the waitress said it was two fifty, which clearly does 241 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: not mean two hundred and fifty dollars by any reasonable interpretation. 242 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: Nieman Marcus refused to budge. They wouldn't refund my money because, 243 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: according to them, what the waitress told you is not 244 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: our problem. You've already seen the recipe. We absolutely will 245 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: not refund your money. I explained the accounting department lady 246 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: the criminal statutes that governed fraud in the state of Texas. 247 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: I threatened to report them to the Better Business Bureau 248 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: and the Texas Attorney General's Office for engaging in fraud. 249 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: And I was basically told, do what you want, don't 250 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: bother thinking of how you can get even, and don't 251 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: bother trying to get any of your money back. I 252 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: just said, okay, you folks got my two hundred and 253 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: fifty bucks, and now I'm going to have two hundred 254 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: and fifty dollars worth of fun. I told her that 255 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: I was going to see to it that every cookie 256 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: lover in the United States with an email account has 257 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: a two hundred and fifty dollars cookie recipe from Nieman 258 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: Marcus for free. She replied, I wish you wouldn't do this, 259 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: and I said, well, perhaps you should have thought of 260 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: that before you ripped me off and slammed down the phone. 261 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: So here it is. Please, please, please pass it on 262 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: to everyone you can possibly think of. I paid two 263 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty bucks for this, and I don't want 264 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: Nimon Marcus to ever make another penny off of this recipe. 265 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: And then the recipe follows, I'm not going to read 266 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: it out right now, but you can absolutely Google. You 267 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: can email as or Google if you want the purported recipe. 268 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: Nova finishes the email. If you are planning a new 269 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: cookie esque episode, may I suggest Stroopwaffle. Growing up, we 270 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: would visit my family in the Netherlands every few years, 271 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: and these guys were a special treat for us. But 272 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: more recently they have been popping up at restaurants all 273 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: over the US. Okay, several things. First of all, yes, 274 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: for some reason, I was just thinking about streep Waffles 275 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: the other day and how we have not we've been 276 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: remiss and not talking about them. 277 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: Indeed very important. Yeah. 278 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: Second of all, you're correct about us being of an age. 279 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: I'm like a couple years older than Annie, but certainly 280 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: I remember chain emails and physical chain letters. I even 281 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: remember the Ya horror books by Christopher Pike from the 282 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: late eighties or early nineties called Chainletter and Chainletter too, 283 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 2: the Ancient Evil. Yeah. 284 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it'd be like, if you don't send this 285 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: to ten people, that's the end. 286 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: For you, right, yeah, yeah, And this one functions on 287 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: like a slightly. It's not a threat to you, but 288 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: like you're sticking it to the man if you continued 289 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: the email, which which is a great way to motivate 290 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: people to send along an email. That is an urban myth. 291 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: It has indeed been debunked. One weird detail that proliferates 292 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: within the myth is that the writer found the charge 293 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 2: on her visa statement, but Nieman Marcus only accepted American 294 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 2: Express until nineteen ninety nine, which is years after the 295 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: story began circulating. This is one of our points of evidence. 296 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: I had to look into this, so okay, Niam and 297 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 2: Marcus maintains that they have never charged customers for recipes. Furthermore, 298 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 2: they didn't even have a company recipe for chocolate chip 299 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: cookies in the mid nineties, but apparently people believed this 300 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 2: story and were writing into them, like absolutely incensed, to 301 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: the point that by nineteen ninety seven they were so 302 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: fed up with this rumor that they had their executive 303 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: chef create a chocolate chip cookie recipe and they posted 304 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: it online for free, with like explicit notice that anyone 305 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 2: was free to distribute or print it as they wished. 306 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this. 307 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,719 Speaker 2: Was in nineteen ninety seven. You can still find that 308 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: recipe on their website. It is different than the one 309 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 2: in the chain letter. The chain letter version uses powdered 310 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: oatmeal and like a grated chocolate bar. The company version 311 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: uses instant espresso. They both sound pretty good anyway. As 312 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: of twenty sixteen, which is when Facebook had an iteration 313 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 2: of this tale circulating, Nieman Marcus's VP of communications told 314 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 2: Eater that she had not received an angry email about 315 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 2: the whole thing in six or seven years, and you know, 316 00:18:51,320 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: good for her. Wow, not done yet. So this is 317 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 2: not the first urban myth about a customer being like 318 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: sneakily overcharged for a recipe by some kind of uppity 319 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 2: retailer and then taking revenge by distributing said recipe. Snopes 320 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 2: found iterations of this going back to nineteen forty eight, 321 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 2: when this cookbook titled Massachusetts Cooking Rules Old and New 322 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: printed a recipe called twenty five dollars fudge Cake along 323 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 2: with this story about a woman who enjoyed a slice 324 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 2: of cake on a train, asking the chef for the recipe, 325 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: and being billed twenty five dollars for it, which at 326 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: the time was a lot more outrageous. In the nineteen sixties, 327 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 2: the villain was the Waldorf Astoria Hotel and it was 328 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: a three hundred and fifty dollars red velvet cake recipe. 329 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: In the seventies, it was Missus Fields and a two 330 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars chocolate chip cookie recipe. Some versions 331 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: of that story shifted the blame to Marshall Fields the 332 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: department store, and Snopes thinks that that is probably where 333 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: it to Nieman Marcus the department store. 334 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: Fascinating. That is so interesting to me. 335 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: It's really wonderful in a kind of sick way. 336 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: Wow, because I feel like every chain letter I got 337 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: what the end wanted, some action from you. This one 338 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: I guess spreading this recipe. Yeah, but if it's not 339 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: really their recipe, I don't know that's interesting to me. 340 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a part in my use of an 341 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: industry phrase. But it's a great way to go viral. 342 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: I guess they clearly did. I can't believe that me 343 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: and Marcus is still like, please. 344 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: Leave us alone about the heck and cookies. 345 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: The recipe is all for free. 346 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 2: We didn't even have one, but we made one for you. 347 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: Please leave us alone. Wow, this poor VP of Communications, 348 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 2: this woman who made it up through the chain of 349 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 2: command at name and Marcus and has been plagued by 350 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 2: accusations oh god decades. 351 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: Wow. 352 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, whole thing. So thank you for sharing that. 353 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for putting that on our radar. 354 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: We got to look into it. How wonderful. 355 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: Wow. I had no idea. That's now I want to 356 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: I want to go in all further deep dive. 357 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: Right like urban legends about I'm sure that others are 358 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 2: out there now now, I'm like, these can't be the 359 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: only ones. 360 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well listeners right in if you've got any more, Yeah, okay, 361 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: but in the meantime, do you have more listener mail? 362 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: For you. Yeah, Janet wrote one of your episodes, asked 363 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: to send you my interesting cooking projects. I feel like 364 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: many concepts and food differ only by tradition. For example, 365 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: every culture has a version of things like bread, fried dough, 366 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: and dumplings. To test how different or similar food concepts are, 367 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: I like to make hybrid monstrosities a midway point in 368 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: between two disparate food ideas. This one is Lamington pizza. 369 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 1: I took the idea of a baked dough circle topped 370 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: in cheese, sauce, various herbs, especially basil and other vegetables 371 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: or meats. I combined it with the idea of a 372 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: square of sponge cake dipped in chocolate sauce and coated 373 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: in desiccated coconut or sometimes other nuts, oftenandwich with cream 374 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 1: and jam. This resulted in me making a marscapone and 375 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: sliced pineapple jam filled square bakedo dipped in tomato, chili 376 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: and chocolate sauce and covered in sliced roast almonds and 377 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: fresh basil. Thus it is a completely new abomination because 378 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: the pineapple is inside the pizza. It was generously filled, 379 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: so it was a rich dessert. Both soft and crunchy, 380 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: with the brightness of the basil counterpointing the sweet sour 381 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: of the jam, the richness of the marscapone, and bitter 382 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: umame of the chocolate sauce. It was so much better 383 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: than it had any right to me. If I made 384 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: it again, I would definitely coat it in desiccated coconut 385 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: to pair with the pineapple. Please find picture attached and 386 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: picture wells attached. 387 00:23:50,720 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would absolutely try that. It does look slightly 388 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 2: like an abomination. It looks a little aggressive. That's a 389 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 2: good word for it. Yeah, threatening, Aura, Yeah. 390 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: It's a little menacing. But I adore that you're doing these. 391 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, like, why not? 392 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: Absolutely you might. I mean you could discover something. Maybe 393 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: this will become a whole thing we don't know, or 394 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: it could be the stepping stone to something. 395 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: Else, right, And really you never know until you try. 396 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: You never know until you try. I do love I 397 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: know that's what it is. But I love your continued 398 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: usage of desiccated coconut. 399 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: Uh oh does that make you feel like like like 400 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 2: mummies are about? 401 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, it just adds another layer of like monstrosity. 402 00:24:54,520 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: It's said with fondness. This is great. Please write in 403 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: any other experiments. 404 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I need to know more about more of these. 405 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 2: That took a number of turns I did. But again, 406 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 2: I'm really really curious. Huh, I am. 407 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: Too, I am too. Yeah, keep the listeners. We always 408 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: want to hear about your food experiments. 409 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well we do have a little bit more 410 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: for you here today, but first we've got one more 411 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: quick break for a word from our sponsors. 412 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: And we're back. 413 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 2: Thank you sponsors, Yes, thank you, Cecilia wrote your podcast 414 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: topics are always interesting and enlightening and sometimes amazingly pertinent 415 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: for me. On April fourth, you put out an episode 416 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: about Turkish Delight. I was in France at the time, 417 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 2: but made sure to listen as I was headed to 418 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: Turkey in a few weeks. Once we got to Turkey, 419 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 2: I started looking out for Turkish delight or Lookum, as 420 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 2: you said it was called. That is the name used 421 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 2: in Turkey, but because they want to appeal to tourists, 422 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: the shops there also call it Turkish Delight. I did 423 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: get some on our second day there. The shop had 424 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: lots of varieties, but I wanted to try the plain ones. 425 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: I bought a box of three flavors. They had rose, 426 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 2: honey and mint. They were delicious. Later I bought another 427 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: box to take to my son and his wife. That 428 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: box was from a rest stop on a highway and 429 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 2: it contained rose and lemon. I like those even better. 430 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: All attach a photo of a shop in the town 431 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: of Saffron Bola, which is named after Saffron. After Turkey. 432 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 2: We went to Cambridge, England to visit our son, daughter 433 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: in law and grandson. They lived next door to a 434 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: Sri Lankan family and mentioned that the family had cooked 435 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 2: a delicious dish for them that included leaves from the 436 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 2: curry tree. I tried to correct them to say that 437 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 2: curry wasn't a plant, but a mix of spices. They 438 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 2: insisted the neighborhood said that there was a curry tree. 439 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: That night, I looked at your podcast feed and saw 440 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: an episode on the curry Tree that I had just missed. 441 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: It is hard for me to keep up with podcasts 442 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 2: when I'm traveling, so I listened to that episode and 443 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: admitted my misunderstanding. The next day and now camembert ah 444 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 2: cam and Beert. As I said at the top, we 445 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: were in France, Normandy. Actually for the month of April. 446 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: We have a house there in a small village. We 447 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 2: spent the month getting the house ready for the market. 448 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: So if you know anyone looking for a small house 449 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: in a small village in Normandy, let us know. We're 450 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: asking ninety five thousand euros. It's a charming village and 451 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 2: we love the Normandy area, but with a grandson in England, 452 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 2: we need to spend more time in England. We'll still 453 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: vacation in France, though we've been spending time in Normandy 454 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: every year except twenty twenty since twenty ten. One year 455 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 2: we visited Camembert. There's a museum there devoted to the cheese, 456 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 2: but it was a disappointment. It consisted of some wallboards 457 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,479 Speaker 2: with pictures. I don't even know if there's a factory 458 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 2: there producing cam and Beert. We did see the statue 459 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 2: of Marie Harel in the town center. It was interesting 460 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: to learn more about the statue through your podcast. 461 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: So we're moving to Normandy, Lauren. 462 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not doing it next week. 463 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: Let's go put our funds together. Cecilia continues. The Prisidon 464 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: Factory has a larger and more interesting museum that we 465 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: visited in Laval last year. That one takes you through 466 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: the entire history of cheese in that area, with lots 467 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: of pieces of equipment on display. They describe and detailed 468 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: the production of the cheese, but they don't let you 469 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: visit the actual factory. I suppose her reasons of safety 470 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: and cleanliness. In contrast, we did visit the factory in 471 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: Lone l'abier. On that visit, we were right on the 472 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: floor where the biscuits were being made. They were making 473 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: chocolate cookies at the time. They have a gift shop, 474 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: of course, but our guide told us we couldn't buy 475 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: the biscuits we saw them making because those were made 476 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: to ship to America. They are sold here under the 477 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: name Pierre Biscuity. But we were discussing camm bear. Our 478 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: house in Normandy is not far from the President factory 479 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: in Don, France, which claims to be the largest manufacturer 480 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: of cam and beer's in the world. We often see 481 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: the President trucks go by the house with the morning's milk. 482 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: Whenever we go out walking or driving in Normandy, we 483 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: see cows in the fields and orchards. Most of the 484 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: herds we see are small, twelve to forty cows. I'll 485 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: attach a picture of some normand cows. We see other 486 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: varieties as well. I have some Camembert in the fridge 487 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: at all times when I'm in Normandy and most of 488 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: the time here in North Carolina. There are many brands 489 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: available in the grocery store in Normandy. I've tried several 490 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: of them. Most are made from pasteoroid's milk, but I 491 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: did find one made from raw milk. I didn't notice 492 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: a difference in taste, but maybe I'm just not sophisticated 493 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: enough to taste the difference. I often buy the President brand, 494 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: but I've tried others as well. The cheeses in the 495 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: supermarket in France are fresher than the ones I buy. 496 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: Hear there's one variety I've bought called Les Rustique. This 497 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: one is creamier. When my sister in law was visiting, 498 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: she said that that one was the best, but it 499 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: is still made from Pastchoi's milk. And finally, you asked 500 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: for recipes. I loved baked bree or Camembert. And if 501 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: you are having people over or have a large family, 502 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: that's a wonderful way to serve the cheese. But if 503 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: you are just one person in the household eating it. 504 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: Baking a whole cheese at once is not a good idea, 505 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: so I have found out a way to enjoy baked 506 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: caman beert one serving at a time. You need a 507 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: five inch wheel of cammbert, a five inch round pocket peda. 508 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: I buy Joseph's which are low carb, a pop up toaster, 509 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: and a wire cheese cutter. I hope everyone who enjoys 510 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: cheese has a wire cutter. It is the best way 511 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: to cut soft cheese. Take your wheel of cheese and 512 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: cut it first in half so you have two semi circles. 513 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: Do the same with the peda. Then stand one semi 514 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: circle of cheese on the cut side in the wire 515 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: cutter and use a knife. Score the outside rind parallel 516 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: to the cutting wire, about one eighth inch in from 517 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: the edge. You need to score the front part where 518 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: the wire enters the cheese and the top, but once 519 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: the wire is in the cheese, it will continue to 520 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: cut through the rest of the rind. This trims off 521 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: the outside rind. It's fine to use this as the 522 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: first slice, but if you prefer not to eat that 523 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: much rind, you can just leave that part off. Next, 524 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,719 Speaker 1: score the cheese twice more and cut two semicircular pieces 525 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: of cheese, put each one in the peda pockets and 526 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: drop them in a pop up toaster toast on a 527 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: medium setting until the cheese melts. The peda will keep 528 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: it from leaking into the toaster. I've been doing this 529 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: for years, never had a problem with leaking. That's it. 530 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: Enjoy your low carb sandwich. Well, I just have to 531 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: let you know how much I enjoy your podcast and 532 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: how often it relates directly to something in my life. 533 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: And lovely pictures were attached, by the way, Yeah, so 534 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: sad sometimes where we're. 535 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, there were there were pictures. They were images. 536 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: We're not in an image medium, no, but yeah, oh 537 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: I love it when y'all write in and these like 538 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 2: weird coincidences. I promised that we're not surveilling you. 539 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: No, no, but people write in about that kind of frequently. 540 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah right right, yes, also a cheese peta. 541 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 2: Oh right. I'm kind of mad at myself for never 542 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 2: having thought to do this. 543 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like so. 544 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 2: So obvious, like you have that you have the technology, 545 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: Like why wouldn't you. 546 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: Just put the cheese in Theah? 547 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, delicious, so cool and oh my goodness. Thank you 548 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 2: for all of the information about Camembert and various cookies. 549 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, always, we love that you go on such 550 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: You always sound so well traveled. You go on all 551 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: these journeys, Cecilia. 552 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 2: And a lot of y'all. 553 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of you do, and we love that 554 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: you share that with us and we get to live 555 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: somewhat vicuriously through you. Yes. Well, this brings us to 556 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: the end of this listener mail episode, but we do 557 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: love so much hearing from all of you. 558 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, thank you. Thank you to everyone who wrote in. 559 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: Thank you to everyone who wrote in, and please keep 560 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: those letters coming. 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