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Speaker 2: podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Friday, April tenth, twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: dunk Sinc. You had quite the success story yesterday Lee

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Speaker 4: Ig Oh, yeah, we got through it. That was most important.

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Speaker 4: from ninety ninety one ninety two. You don't get much

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Speaker 2: comment No Dunks at the Athletic dot com. We've had

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Speaker 2: a very fun week of podcasting here. We started it

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Speaker 2: off by reviewing the nineteen ninety sevens for it's comedy Airbud.

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Speaker 2: We've drafted the Perfect Sandwich on an episode of Squad.

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Speaker 2: We let Lee have his own podcast where he talked

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Speaker 2: cricket for an hour. We did some beach step in

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Speaker 2: and you know, we had a great Survivor recap podcast

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Speaker 2: on Thursday. But today, gentlemen, we're getting back to talking

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Speaker 2: some hoops. Okay, the NBA, you know, when they decided

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Speaker 2: to suspend the season, the optimistic hope, let's call it

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Speaker 2: that was that play could maybe resume in May or June,

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Speaker 2: though it's becoming increasingly more likely that the season, at

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Speaker 2: least the regular season, is going to be canceled. So

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Speaker 2: with that in mind, today we've decided to hand out

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Speaker 2: some NBA awards, and we're gonna use check the polls

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Speaker 2: that format as our jumping off point here see whether

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Speaker 2: we agree with the consensus what the fans out there

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Speaker 2: have voted on for each of the six major awards.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're gonna do. We're gonna hand out some hardware.

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Speaker 2: We had pretty good participation. Each poll had over a

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Speaker 2: the poll with these awards, and then we'll break them

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Speaker 2: down before we get started too little tease here. After

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Speaker 2: we're done discussing the six major awards, we're gonna make

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Speaker 2: sure we get in some predictions on the NBA Horse

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Speaker 2: Tournament that starts this weekend. Yeah, this is a go

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Speaker 2: But let's start with the first poll. It's most Valuable Player,

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Speaker 2: anyone task I mean, let's start with you, like, you're

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Speaker 1: I would be giving it to Yannis at Googo. If

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Speaker 1: And he won Player of the Month every single month

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Speaker 1: the best player night in and night out. Would you

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Speaker 1: what this award is about. This award is about consistency

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Speaker 1: and if you talk to any NBA player throughout the years,

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Speaker 1: that's the hardest thing to do is to be great night,

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Speaker 1: I think when you look out those two guys as

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Speaker 2: way in your mind that Lebron could have realistically caught

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Speaker 2: Jannis was banged up, task said it, the Lakers were rolling.

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Speaker 2: Lebron looked like a superhero again. You know, there were

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Speaker 2: It was unlakely. Yeah, the Bucks were fifty three and

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Speaker 4: Have won this again, I don't think so. I think

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Speaker 4: I think that the body of work Yarnis had done

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Speaker 4: Lebron continued to play at that level that we saw

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Speaker 4: made it closer. Because I was someone who early in

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Speaker 4: UNANUUS MVP. Now that clearly wasn't going to be the

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Speaker 4: case anymore. But I don't think Lebron would have done

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Speaker 4: overhaul him. I think that Jannis and Milwaukee would have

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Speaker 4: steadied and they still would have won, you know, sixty

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Speaker 4: five games. Perhaps maybe not quite, but close enough to

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Speaker 4: that point where if you look at all that Jarnis

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Speaker 4: had sort of lost a step and he just didn't

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Speaker 4: whole summer off, which he hadn't done for basically his

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Speaker 4: think he rejuvenated his body, he got himself right again,

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Speaker 4: and the Lakers were one of the best teams in

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Speaker 4: the league, probably you know, equal with the Bucks's title favorite.

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Speaker 4: So Lebron was fantastic. But Yannas for me, still would

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Speaker 4: have been the MVP this season.

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Speaker 3: I actually think that if the Lakers were to catch

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Speaker 3: were twenty three and seven in the calendar year twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: But I just kept coming back to that tweet you

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Speaker 3: the first month of the season, is it Janis or Luca?

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Speaker 3: Jannis or Lebron James. If it's always Jannis in the mix,

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Speaker 3: he's probably the MVP. But you know, if if the

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Speaker 3: make best player on the best team that wins MVP

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Speaker 3: a lot of seasons. Lebron hasn't won one since the

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Speaker 3: twenty thirteen season. I think people would have been excited

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Speaker 3: to give it to Lebron, a guy who's leading the

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Speaker 3: in his age thirty five season. But Jannis is the winner,

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Speaker 3: and it's not a surprise that he has so much

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Speaker 3: twenty fifth in assists, he's a defensive Player of the

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Speaker 3: in minutes per game. He plays basically, you know, like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like his numbers too. I think he ranks

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Speaker 2: fifth all time in player efficiency rating.

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Speaker 5: Giannis season, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, we're talking about two Wilt Chamberlain seasons, a Lebron season,

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Speaker 2: I mean it is, and it's a legendary season. It

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Speaker 2: Curry went back to back, right, I mean, he wins

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Speaker 2: MVP in an unbelievable year. It was like, Wow, this

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Speaker 2: and then so follows it up with another MVP. It's

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Speaker 2: it's similar there with what Giannis is very likely going

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Speaker 2: to win this award when it's ever announced. But would anyone?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds like everybody has Lebron walked in

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Speaker 2: selection there in m VP, or is there anyone else

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Speaker 2: you could make a case for above Lebron or really,

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Speaker 2: I guess what I'm getting at is sort of how's

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Speaker 2: the rest of your ballot? You know flush out task.

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Speaker 2: We'll start with you like who you look at in

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Speaker 2: the three four five, because we all agree it's Jihn's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely agree with it's the honest. I think,

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Speaker 4: So but really, Doncic, Harden, Anthony Davis, you know, Jokich,

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Speaker 3: if you're what about this guy? And who else are

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler, is that too deep of a reach? Chris Middleton,

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Speaker 2: We'll play a little what about this guy for all

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Speaker 2: these awards? Because you know, people just want to hear names.

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Speaker 2: Hey just say my favorite player all I want you

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Speaker 2: to do. All right, So yeah, we all agree it's

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Speaker 2: Giannis very likely going back to back here. The people

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Speaker 2: All right, next one most improved Player, Let's go to

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Speaker 2: my favorite award. We had four people, obviously, we can

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Speaker 2: We had in alphabetical order, we had Bam, Luca Ingram,

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Speaker 2: a Baio win's the popular vote here forty four percent,

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Speaker 2: basically Ingram a close thirty point five percent, so him

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Speaker 3: huge bump in scoring, He became a better playmaker, and

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Speaker 3: It's been very impressive. That being said, I love the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think as this season has gone on,

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Speaker 4: He's got plenty of time. But you saw the Celtics

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Speaker 4: He didn't have that sort of ugly early in the

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Speaker 4: I think I think Tatum has been fantastic and he

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Speaker 4: And as Trey mentioned there, you know, all of us

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Speaker 2: Can't you just everything you just said about Tetum you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he's definitely got a strong case, no

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's interesting with him because the Pelicans

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Speaker 5: Dictate what he's going to get paid.

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Speaker 4: I think now based on what we're seeing, he's getting

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's gonna get paid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a brandon Ingram. Yeah, he's definitely going to

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Speaker 1: bit when Zion came back. But Jason Tatum had I

431
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Speaker 1: think a little bit more of a luxury of having

432
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Speaker 1: the leon like Kemba Walker for instance, while Brandon Ingram

433
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Speaker 1: didn't really have that Withdrew Holiday. So I would give

434
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Speaker 1: it to Ingram. But there, Yeah, they're they're they're very,

435
00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 1: very similar to both those dudes.

436
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Speaker 2: And it's but so is Bam really, I mean he's

437
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 2: got to be in that same group, right, I mean

438
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 2: going from a guy that we was like, yeah, that

439
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,880
Speaker 2: guy's athletic, Yeah he's solid, but he became an All Star.

440
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the difference is a number one guy

441
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Speaker 1: on these two teams like Tatum's now become the number

442
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 1: one guy scoring wise, and so has Brandon Ingram. Well,

443
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 1: you know, Bam gives it up to Jimmy.

444
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's the thing with is Bam the more

445
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 2: important player to the Heat the way they play because

446
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 2: he is sort of like their Draymond Green. I know

447
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 2: that's been you know, thrown out a million times. He's

448
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,879
Speaker 2: like a lot of stuff goes through him, which is

449
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 2: pretty wild for a big guy. And he's also I mean,

450
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,879
Speaker 2: so is Jimmy, but he's one of the better defenders

451
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,880
Speaker 2: in the league too. So I'm not I'm just saying,

452
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Speaker 2: like I'm I was a little shocked that he got

453
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Speaker 2: forty four percent of the vote, but I'm sort of

454
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Speaker 2: happy and I think he's well deserving of it because

455
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Speaker 2: he's right there with Ingram and Tatum in my mind

456
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,959
Speaker 2: of like that jump to that tough level of becoming

457
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 2: sort of like, wow, this guy's maybe one of the

458
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Speaker 2: better players in the league. He obviously is as an

459
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Speaker 2: All Star.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Twitter pool is, like Trey said,

461
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 1: it's a guy who came out of nowhere type vibe. Yeah,

462
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: and so I think he got that a little bit

463
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Speaker 1: more than a guy in Brandon Ingram who's number two pick,

464
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Speaker 1: who's talked about over and over and over again, and

465
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Speaker 1: Jayson Tatum, who's also both those guys and the Anthony

466
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 1: Davis trade discussions for years, while bam Adebayo's you know

467
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 1: in the mix as just a guy who is being

468
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 1: developed and playing behind Hassan Whiteside when basketball guys like

469
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: yourself skits like you you know that he can play, Yeah,

470
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 1: but then came out of nowhere. That's that's it's where

471
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Speaker 1: the voter is gonna go with this. Are they going

472
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Speaker 1: to vote for a second year player? Are they going

473
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Speaker 1: to be dumb and vote for a second year player?

474
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Speaker 1: There's lots of those guys, No.

475
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Speaker 2: I don't think so. Yeah, like well Luca and Shay Gildas,

476
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Speaker 2: Alexander who else am I.

477
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Speaker 1: Forgetting Davante Graham?

478
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Speaker 2: Davante Graham has no right to be in this conversation

479
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: this guy, sure, I know, but he was what about

480
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Speaker 2: this guy for maybe the first month and a half

481
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Speaker 2: and then.

482
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Speaker 1: You don't like seven and a half assists?

483
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you're right, He's going to be

484
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Speaker 2: definitely one of the what about this guy? And he'll

485
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Speaker 2: probably get some votes but.

486
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Speaker 1: He and people killed, people kill. Oh, he's shooting thirty

487
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: eight percent from the floor. Well, you know, it's unfortunately

488
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: you kind of have to look at all the numbers

489
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Speaker 1: to get a real feel of advanced stats. He shoots

490
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Speaker 1: thirty seven percent from three, He shoots the majority of

491
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Speaker 1: his shots from there, and it's about the troop shooting percentage.

492
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Speaker 1: That's what it's about. You've got a factor in free

493
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Speaker 1: throws and that's why Harden and actually it isn't as

494
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: inefficient or he seems like he's more inefficient this year,

495
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Speaker 1: but his numbers are basically the exact same as year

496
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Speaker 1: to year to year. And DeVante he lost, he lost

497
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Speaker 1: the shine because he didn't play as well and the

498
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 1: Hornets fell off.

499
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but the Hornets were never on. That's the problem.

500
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Speaker 2: That's a good week there, I remember.

501
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they did I think a bunch of three.

502
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think Graham had that game eight

503
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 4: of nine threes or something like that, and it was like, oh,

504
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Speaker 4: this guy all style, you know.

505
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Speaker 5: But yeah, that's yeah, he's got some talent. But it's

506
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Speaker 5: the same old story. In Charlotte.

507
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Speaker 4: They win a few games and people are like, oh,

508
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Speaker 4: maybe they could and then they just lose eight in

509
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 4: a row and it's like, no, they suck again.

510
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so DeVante's in there. I threw Shag Gilders,

511
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: Alexander in there. Are there any more guys Trey for

512
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: the Hey what about this guy Lift that you want

513
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Speaker 2: in the mix?

514
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Speaker 3: I suppose Jalen Brown is in the Hey what about

515
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: this guy? Range? He became an All Star fringe guy

516
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 3: and you know, I know Lee had him on his team,

517
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Speaker 3: and it was certainly a discussion at the time who

518
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Speaker 3: was the better Celtic between Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown,

519
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Speaker 3: And as soon as the votes came out at it

520
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 3: immediately switched to Jason Tatum. But surely Brown is in

521
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Speaker 3: the mix.

522
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Speaker 1: I don't forget about don't forget about the wood Christian would,

523
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: oh yeah, well more more of a hey is this

524
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: guy going to be in the NBA? To uh, looks

525
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Speaker 1: like he's going to be in the NBA type guy.

526
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

527
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Speaker 4: The The other thing I made a case for was

528
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Speaker 4: the improved player of Russell Westbrook. I mean, obviously, an

529
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Speaker 4: MVP is not going to win this award, but you know,

530
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Speaker 4: he clearly adjusted the way that he played and was

531
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Speaker 4: having a fantastic impact on the Rockets, you know as

532
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 4: the year turned. Now, you know, that was the big

533
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 4: question coming in with Westbrook and Harden, is how they

534
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 4: would adapt and share the ball, and Westbrook showed that

535
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Speaker 4: he was able to and that was really important. The

536
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 4: Rockets were a bit of a weird team, and it's

537
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Speaker 4: kind of I'm really disappointed that we're not going to

538
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 4: see how it would have played out for them this

539
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 4: season because I don't think they would have gone far

540
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 4: with that small ball lineup, but it would have been

541
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 4: fun just to see exactly how crazy things could have

542
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 4: gotten if they, you know, they would have made the playoffs,

543
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Speaker 4: and just to see how far they would have gone,

544
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Speaker 4: because they might have caused some chaos, but they could

545
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Speaker 4: have also just flamed out in the first round. So

546
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Speaker 4: unfortunately we'll never really know, I don't think Lee.

547
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Speaker 2: What about your preseason most improved pick of I believe

548
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Speaker 2: Lonzo ball.

549
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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's right, Yeah, And a lot of the

550
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Speaker 4: reason I picked that was because of what I saw

551
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Speaker 4: in their preseason games there with he and Zion connecting.

552
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Speaker 4: So when Zion went down that that was a bit

553
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Speaker 4: of a blow and Lonzo struggled. He definitely struggled at

554
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 4: the start of the season, but he did pick it

555
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Speaker 4: up in that second part. I mean, he got that

556
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 4: shot going. The improved mechanics are a sight to see.

557
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 4: I tell you, they look so much better than.

558
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Speaker 2: From three I know, And.

559
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Speaker 4: There were a couple couple of times you saw him

560
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 4: he stepped in with confidence to shoot that shot and

561
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 4: it looked like he was able to make them. So

562
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Speaker 4: I'm excited to see he and Zion. I think they'll

563
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Speaker 4: be together for at least a couple of years here

564
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 4: and to see if they can work some pick and

565
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 4: roll together and see if they can become some sort

566
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Speaker 4: of a combination, because like I say, I saw it

567
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 4: early and I thought there's something there. But you know,

568
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 4: obviously where whether or not he stays in New Orleans,

569
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Speaker 4: if he's a long term fit, that's going to be

570
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: a question.

571
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Speaker 5: But if he can.

572
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Speaker 4: Improve and keep that jump shot consistent, because he's a

573
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Speaker 4: good defender already, he's a good rebounder for a guard,

574
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 4: he's going to be on the floor. But if that

575
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 4: shot isn't consistent and he can't be relied on to

576
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 4: knock it down, then you wonder exactly what his ceiling

577
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: is going to be in the league.

578
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Speaker 3: You got to give him a ring lee. He's shooting

579
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Speaker 3: fifty seven percent from the free throw line, which was

580
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Speaker 3: a huge improvement from forty two percent the year before.

581
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Speaker 3: You know, it's the loneliest place out there. But my

582
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 3: man only goes to the line one point two times

583
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: per game. You gotta be able to take some contact

584
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Speaker 3: if you're a point guard.

585
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Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely.

586
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Speaker 2: I remember my I sort of cheated when we were

587
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Speaker 2: doing our preseason most improved picks I had. I think

588
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Speaker 2: I threw it three names ultimately because I was uh,

589
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Speaker 2: I was early on the Pascal siakam for back to

590
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: back most Improved and it was looking great for again

591
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, maybe a month, was killing it

592
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 2: and then you know that the chances of that actually

593
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: happening sort of started to dip and he got injured

594
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 2: and stuff, blah blah blah. But also had TJ Warren

595
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Speaker 2: I remember in the mix, and Jonathan Isaac I remember

596
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: I threw out there too, who of course got injured

597
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: to task trade. Do you remember who you guys picked for.

598
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Speaker 3: This Jamal Murray big moment this season was, uh, he

599
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: got a double D brown pack. If you know what

600
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Speaker 3: I'm talking about.

601
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Speaker 5: As soon as.

602
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Speaker 1: I took Shay Giljos Alexander.

603
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he went second year player, very very controversial

604
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 2: for me, that's right, that's right, but awesome year and

605
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: he probably will get some votes right down the bellet.

606
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 5: A little bit.

607
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's eleven to nineteen points a game.

608
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: That's good. Jump.

609
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep it going here. Let's go to

610
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: the guys in the suits. Coach of the year. Are four,

611
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: you know names that we had on the pole. We

612
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: had Budenholzer with the Bucks, Billy Donovan, okay, see Taylor

613
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: Jenkins in Memphis, and then Nick Nurse in Toronto. Nick

614
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: Nurse wins the vote fifty four point three percent. Say

615
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 2: Nick Nurse deserves Coach of the Year for nineteen twenty.

616
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: Coming in second was Billy Donovan with twenty two points

617
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: six percent, and then Budenholzer about sixteen percent and Jenkins

618
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: getting about seven percent. So Lee, you agree with the

619
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Speaker 2: poll results. There is Nick Nurse your coach of the

620
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Speaker 2: year selection.

621
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Speaker 5: I do, I do?

622
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Speaker 4: I think what Nick Nurse did, considering he lost two

623
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 4: of his starters from last season obviously in Kawhi and

624
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 4: Danny Green, and people kind of thought that the Raptor

625
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 4: has got lucky in the finals last year and that

626
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 4: they were going to drop off, But instead Nick Nurse

627
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 4: got them in an incredible position.

628
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 5: And what I really like about.

629
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 4: Nurse as a coach his ability to effectively communicate to

630
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 4: everyone on that roster because the Raptors and every team

631
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 4: suffers injuries, but the Raptors were beaten up a lot

632
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 4: this year. They were banged up, and he seemed to

633
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 4: get performances out of guys like Chris Bouchet at times,

634
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 4: you know, like a Terrence Davis at times, Ronde Hollis

635
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 4: Jefferson played some he was playing center at one stage

636
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: for the Raptors. And the fact that they were forty

637
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 4: six and eighteen coming in now and again Gasol was out,

638
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 4: Power was out, Lowry was in and out, but he

639
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: was back playing by the time the season was put

640
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: on suspension.

641
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

642
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: Every ten plus games.

643
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah.

644
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: So I think considering all those factors, Nick Nurse has

645
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 4: been the best coach this season. I think all of

646
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 4: these guys have got a pretty strong case. I think

647
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 4: Taylor Jenkins, especially in Memphis there, has got the Grizzlies

648
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 4: in a position nobody thought they were going to be

649
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 4: in Budenholzer, you know, maybe the weakest case out of

650
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 4: these four guys, simply because he had the talent and

651
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 4: he's got the MVP. And Billy Donovan though he had

652
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 4: a fantastic season so far in Okay see. But ultimately,

653
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 4: I think Nick Nurse has done the best job considering

654
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 4: all the factors and the expectations coming to this season.

655
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oganna Noby is the only starter for the Raptors

656
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: who missed fewer than ten games this season, and they

657
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: have a better record than the Clippers after losing Kawhi Leonard.

658
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: So that was my vote basically. Plus, if it came

659
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: down to a quarantine, I'd love to be there with

660
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: Nick Nurse. He's got a guitar and you know he's

661
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: got the moves.

662
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: Gareth get the guitar. Yeah, I think I saw Dan

663
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: Devine ray that no team worked harder to get more

664
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: out of its talent this season than probably Nick Nurse

665
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: and the Raptors. I think there's some truth to that.

666
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: And yeah, I also just even and probably it's because

667
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: I am a Raptors fan and I'm watching the Raptors

668
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: maybe more closely than I am some of the other

669
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: teams in the league. It is pretty incredible, and we've

670
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: talked about it before. But like Nurse, he's just not

671
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: afraid to try things within a game, to switch up

672
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: a defensive strategy, to run the offense differently, Like he's

673
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: just not afraid, where most coaches are so stuck in

674
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: their ways that it's like, Nope, we'll just continue with

675
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: what we know and it will all work out. And Nurse,

676
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: I mean, really is the opposite. And you see it

677
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: again from game to game, even where he's like, all right,

678
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: let's just try this, you know whatever zone defense, let's

679
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: go this. Let's just like we're losing, let's try something else.

680
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: And you know, raps have a lot of comebacks of

681
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: course in them, and I think he's a big part

682
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: of that, in the belief that they have in him,

683
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 2: his players in him that he's like, no, we can

684
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: get creative here. You guys are smart, you know, intelligence

685
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: basketball players, and we know what we're doing out here,

686
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: so let's just try other things. I love that part,

687
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: so he gets my vote as well. But I like

688
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: what Lee was saying. I agree with you can make

689
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: a case for these guys on the list, and many

690
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: other guys too when we get into the like, hey

691
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: what about this guy? But task did Nurse you know,

692
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: get your vote in this one as well?

693
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: He did. I would love to see him up at

694
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: the podium accepting his award with his hat that has

695
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: n n embroidered on it as Nick Nurse hat. The

696
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: I think there's only four in the world, but I

697
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: believe at that press conference every one of his Raptors

698
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: players would get one and would be wearing one in

699
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: the crowd as well, or he'd bring them up all

700
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: on stage the n N hats. It's crazy to see

701
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: a coach with his own initials in his hat, but

702
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool because it's Nick Nurse.

703
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: Wait, we don't actually hold on as Raptors fans. We

704
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: don't want Nick Nurse to win Coach of the Year

705
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: at all. Yeah, that's never a good thing for Raptors coaches.

706
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: Sam Mitchell, Dwayne Casey, that's probably it.

707
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: But it's okay. He'll he'll if he if he has

708
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: a demise like those other guys, he'll have more to

709
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: write about music. That's what's It's the hardships that make

710
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: me good tunes. Nikki. So I think that would be Uh,

711
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: that would be fine. There's there's so many guys on

712
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: Like you said, there's so many suits that could be

713
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: up there. I think Eric Spolstra is sort of in

714
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: the same vein as as Nick Nurse, taking a bunch

715
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: of second round players or undrafted players or guys deep

716
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: in the bench that he just he worked them to

717
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: be a very very good team. And they could have

718
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: been easily a second round team up against the Bucks

719
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: fighting them, so that would have been a good story.

720
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: And then I think it's always easy to overlook a

721
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: coach that coaches Lebron's teams. But Frank Vogel went from

722
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: being the third, their third or fourth who knows selection

723
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: for coach on their picks. They wanted to Ty Lou

724
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: that didn't work out, they wanted Manti Williams that didn't

725
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: work out, And Frank Vogel has gotten them to work

726
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: their butts off. And that reputation he had in Indiana

727
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: to be a being a great defensive coach, it's happening

728
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. So you know, maybe Jason Kidd gets

729
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: credit for some weird reason, but Frank Vogel should get credit.

730
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the Lakers I think have the biggest

731
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: single season improvement in the league. Yeah, they must because

732
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: they're under five hundred last year and then now they're

733
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: the second best team in the league. And yeah, it's

734
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: interesting with Vogel because you're like, on one hand, it's like,

735
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: all right, any coach that has Lebron out there, oh yeah,

736
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: and then Anthony Davis, I mean we just listed you know,

737
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: two of the top five MVP guys. You're probably gonna

738
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 2: be okay, So it's like, well, why would we give

739
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: you coach the ear But then the flip side of

740
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: that is like, oh damn, we've seen before how difficult

741
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: it can be to coach a Lebron team and whether

742
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: or not you can survive it. And of course the

743
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: LA media and all that, and he has and flying

744
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: Colors comes through, especially defensively. Some of the guards they

745
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: even play on that team. So yeah, maybe it was

746
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: an oversight not having them on the list. I'm not

747
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: sure who we would have bumped from that list. Maybe

748
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: maybe Jenkins. I mean, this team is better than we thought.

749
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: The Grizzlies. You know, a lot of people thought they

750
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: might be a twenty one team with a rookie point guard. Instead,

751
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: they're you know, just under a five hundred team, but

752
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: vocals deserving too. There's no doubt any other Hey, what

753
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: about this, guys, I guess Nate McMillan with the Pacers.

754
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that seems like the standard every year with the Paces,

755
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: it's like the Yeah, yeah, I didn't expect that, you know,

756
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 4: but they probably won't go much further than the first

757
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: round anyway. They just just the way they are.

758
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: But it's a regular season awardly Yeah, I know, I know.

759
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 4: It's just it just feels like that with the Pacers.

760
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, you watch them and you think

761
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: they're they're a tough team without that real superstar and

762
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 4: Os the Bonus was an All Star but and all

763
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 4: the depots. You know, he's a star when he's playing

764
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 4: when he's healthy. But it just sort of feels like

765
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 4: it's it's like a very consistent team without really a

766
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 4: threat to anybody in the Eastern Conference.

767
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 5: Is the way they are. But that's Hey, that could be.

768
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 5: It could be a lot worse.

769
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 4: You know, you could be like a team like the

770
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 4: Hornets who don't even really threaten to make the playoffs

771
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 4: every season.

772
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I think there should be a coach

773
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: of the Year for the guys you know their names,

774
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: the coaches that you recognize, like Nick Nurse has become

775
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: a known coach, Billy Donovan fits that list, Mike Putenholzer.

776
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: But I would put Taylor Jenkins in the group of

777
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: people you don't know their name, Nate McMillan, don't people

778
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: don't know the Piecers said coach. I would even throw

779
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: Frank Vogel in that I know because he's in LA.

780
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: People people know, Yeah, they don't know, don't know who

781
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: the head coach. In general, I don't think people know

782
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: who the head coach of the Los Angeleskers is. But

783
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: Taylor Jenkins he would win that as far as notoriety

784
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have. If it was just guys you

785
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: don't know their names, Taylor jank would win it.

786
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like if you asked, like one hundred casual NBA fans,

787
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: who's the coach of the Grizzlies, Yeah, I agree with

788
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 2: you. You're not going to get a ton of people saying

789
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: Taylor Jenkins.

790
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 5: I don't think.

791
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't think I'd say more people would say Jason

792
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: Kidd is the head coach of the of the Los

793
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: Angeles Lakers.

794
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: Fifty to fifty, then more then Moore would know who

795
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: Taylor Jenkins being Grizzlies. I don't think so.

796
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: I think you get some joke if you're just gonna

797
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: say if if the poll was who is the head

798
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: coach of the Lakers, I think you'd get forty Vogel,

799
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: forty Kid, and twenty jokers who would say it's Lebron

800
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: James robb Ye.

801
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: Another good question, though, is Taylor Jenkins. If you showed

802
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: people a picture of Taylor Jenkins and told the told

803
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 3: the person his name is Taylor Jenkins, would you think

804
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 3: he's an NBA coach or a professional golfer?

805
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, yeah, he's got a real mean

806
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: Taylor is a golfer. Taylor made No, you're right, You're right.

807
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: He's super super young too. And look, I'm not like

808
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: discrediting what he's done because again a lot of people,

809
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: including myself, thought the Grizzlies were going to be garbage,

810
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: Like you know, you're getting rid of a lot of

811
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: your vets, like Conley's gone and you're handing the keys

812
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: over to a rookie point guard and John Moran who

813
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: he thought would be good. But no one is that

814
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: good as a rookie point guard. And we're gonna get

815
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: to Rookie of the Year later on here. But that's

816
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: incredible to have them in a playoff race, to have

817
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 2: them in the eighth seed is pretty amazing. But it's

818
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: tough to win this award. I feel like just being

819
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: a five hundred team. I know it's happened. I think

820
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: Doc Rivers did it right with the Magic way back when. Yeah,

821
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: so that would be the similarity here, but it's generally

822
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: going to Yeah, a team with just some straight up

823
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: more wins that maybe you still didn't see coming, like

824
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: the Thunder, you know, and Billy Donovan.

825
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

826
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 4: I mean, if a teams winning sixty five games, it's

827
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 4: kind of hard to not give that guy the Coach

828
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 4: of the Year just because you've won that many games.

829
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of other guys do make strong cases.

830
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 5: But then well, yeah.

831
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 4: I know, I mean, I guess it's one of those things.

832
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 4: It's like, well, because he won it last season and

833
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 4: the Bucks are on pace again to sort of be

834
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: where they were, so it's not like you know, you

835
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 4: expected him. It would have been worse if Budenholzer had

836
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 4: dropped off. So you just expect him to be there,

837
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 4: and you expect him to be in the mix. So

838
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 4: you are looking for another story for some of these

839
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 4: other guys.

840
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've never had back to back coach of the Year.

841
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 5: Win, no repeats.

842
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And just talking about season turnaround as well,

843
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: the Lakers actually wouldn't be that close to the biggest turnaround.

844
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 4: The seven eight Celtics had a forty two win turnaround

845
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 4: from one season to the next. That was when, of

846
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 4: course they got KG and Ray Allen.

847
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: Oh I was I didn't mean all the time, I

848
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 2: meant this, Oh right, right, yeah, sorry, biggest single season

849
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: I provement in the league this season. But that's right,

850
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: that's a crazy stat. Forty two that's what he's saying.

851
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, forty two wins. Yeah, unbelievable.

852
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: All right, So ultimately it sounds like we're all agreeing

853
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: on Nurse, though, as we mentioned, there's a lot of

854
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: guys who are going to warrant some votes and rightfully,

855
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: so okay, this next one, this was the closest vote,

856
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 2: so maybe maybe we'll have some disagreements on this one.

857
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Year Anthony Davis comes through with

858
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: the vote forty one point five percent. The people say

859
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: Giannis in second right there thirty five point nine percent,

860
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 2: so very very close here. And then even Ben Simmons

861
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: who had on the list, he got twelve percent. And

862
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert, who's won this award obviously a handful of times,

863
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: he got ten point seven percent. Tasks defensive player. There

864
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: were you surprised by this or who do you go for? Dpoy?

865
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to expect from the fan vote.

866
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: I guess I knew that Rudy Gobert wasn't going to

867
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: win it. Just like Lee mentioned about the story, people

868
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: are sort of tired of talking about Rudy Gobert noting

869
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: to do with coronavirus. Just from a basketball perspective, yeah,

870
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was between Yannis or Anthony Davis, and

871
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: I personally would give it to Jannis. I find this

872
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: really difficult to vote on. I think this is more

873
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: and more becoming a team award, the best defensive player

874
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: on the best defensive team type thing, sort of like

875
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, you can make that case for MVP because

876
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, you don't really lock guys down in the NBA.

877
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: It's just so hard. It's about being a really good

878
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: basketball team being on the tightest string, And it's about

879
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: the rim protector because you can't really get handsy out there,

880
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: but you can meet people by the rim. There's some

881
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: physical contact that's allowed up there. In the Bucks far

882
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: and away the best defensive team. You could say brook

883
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: Lopez is their rim protector, but Yannis is the player

884
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: that strikes the most fear in opponents on that end

885
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: for the Bucks, and the player that meets people highest

886
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: above the rim as well. And you know, he's more

887
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: of the free safety. Brook is more of the positional

888
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 1: defender guarding a guy. And there will be some votes

889
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: for brook Lopez for sure, But I think Yannis's work

890
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: ethic is rubbed off on everybody. There's a trickle down effect.

891
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: Superstar working, they're working his butt off and that's why

892
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: they're the best teams. So maybe I'm dismissing how good

893
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: guys are are around Giannis, like Eric Bledsoe and Brooke

894
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: and Wesley Matthews. They've been great. But I think Anthony

895
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: Davis also has a lot of good guys around him.

896
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: But like players have been doing with the m VPS,

897
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: can win it. Call his teammates up as well. And

898
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: all those guys can be up there with them and

899
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: so uh it's you know, the voting voting was good,

900
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: Yannis ad nothing wrong with that.

901
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: It's close and like so you yeah, I mean you

902
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: think Giannest will become what the third player of all

903
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 2: time too. It's crazy possibly win MVP and Defensive Player

904
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: of the Year, joining Jordan in a keem.

905
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 4: I didn't think I'd be saying it to someone other

906
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 4: than skatsy bit test homeer.

907
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I disagree.

908
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: It's a bit of fairness because he doesn't really he

909
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: is a free safety out there, you know, he is

910
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: more of a help defender. But he's scary. He's scary

911
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: for other team.

912
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he could test the three, gets better rebounds. I

913
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: mean he's everywhere. Guys covers more ground than Scott's line

914
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 2: care am I right?

915
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 5: Yeah?

916
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 4: I think this award is a lot more about the

917
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 4: eye test than the stats as well, because it is

918
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 4: harder to quantify defensive impact stats because it is such

919
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 4: a you know, such a team concept to defend the

920
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 4: other teams well, and Yannis does. He hustles, he gets

921
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 4: out there, he can test shots, he gets, he gets

922
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 4: dunked on at times, you know, but he's always moving,

923
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: he's always around, and the fact that the Bucks do

924
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 4: have the best defensive rating sort of shows.

925
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 5: That that's not a surprise.

926
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's not a surprise when they have been

927
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 4: the best team to this point. So and Anthony Davis

928
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 4: as well. At times, it's like that Lakers defense. I

929
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 4: still credit so much of that to Lebron because when

930
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 4: he's focused and engaged, everyone else is. And the start

931
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 4: of the season, the Lakers defense was incredible. It did

932
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 4: drop off a little bit, but again, so that was

933
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 4: Lebron and Anthony Davis. So you've got to you know,

934
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 4: some great players there. I thought Ben Simmons, and I

935
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 4: guess I'm playing the home I thought this year, if

936
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 4: there was such an award as best or most improved

937
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 4: defensive player, I thought he would win that because he

938
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 4: really used his size and his athleticism to sort of

939
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 4: stifle his opponent, his direct opponent. And you see that

940
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: a lot, because he's six ten, is a point guard.

941
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 4: He's quick, he's got long arms, and he's strong. He

942
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 4: rarely rarely gets beaten for the ball, and he makes

943
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 4: it so hard for his direct opponent to get shots

944
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 4: off and to get into the paint, so I think

945
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 4: he's improved a lot. But again, the Sixers, if you

946
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 4: look at them, you think they are a good defensive team,

947
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 4: not a great offensive team. But it's hard to sort

948
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 4: of say, is he the best defensive player when he

949
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: also is surrounded by other good defensive players as well.

950
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 5: So a tough award.

951
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: I'm confused.

952
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess I am going with Yannis myself as well. No,

953
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 4: I know, I'm going around in long circles heat to

954
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 4: get to it. But just because, again, your best player

955
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 4: sets the tone defensively, and Yarnis clearly is not afraid

956
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: to get dunked on. He basically wants to stop every show.

957
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 4: And I think that certainly gives confidence to all the

958
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 4: players because I think I don't have the stat handy,

959
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 4: but I think individually, like Middleton was one of the

960
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 4: best defensive players as well, and Bledshet.

961
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the thing. Is Yannis the best defender

962
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: on his team? That's I think he is too, But

963
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: you know, I.

964
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: Think he is in a landslide. I think it's not

965
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 3: even close. Brook Lopez has been around for a long

966
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: time and he's never had a top ten defense until

967
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: he was playing alongside. Yes, him as a rim protector

968
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: is not the reason the Bucks are a great defense

969
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 3: him alongside the honest, Yeah, for sure. That's the reason

970
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: I actually refuse to vote in this award because I

971
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: don't want to encourage people to be playing defense. But

972
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: if I did vote, it would be free, honest, because

973
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 3: he makes the Bucks exactly what they are. He's the best, scariest,

974
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 3: most versatble defender on the team.

975
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: But I lied to you, guys, I voted.

976
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 3: I voted for Ben Simmons because his defensive highlights are

977
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 3: the most like offense led the League of Steels twenty

978
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 3: third in rebounds. To me, he's like a defensive end

979
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: where he's just wreaking havoc out there on one side

980
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: of the field, and you kind of got to always

981
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: know where he's at.

982
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this is a good one because I

983
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: could throw a vote to Giannis Anthony Davis easily. And

984
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 2: then the more I looked into it, the more I

985
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: really started to convince myself that Ben Simmons deserves a

986
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 2: lot more love than maybe he got in our vote.

987
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: Because you said les League and Steels ranks second in

988
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: total deflections, third in total loose balls recovered. He is

989
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: a good defender, versatile I should say defender. He can

990
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: play basically defend ending position on the floor. I mean

991
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: he has matched up even against some fives at some times,

992
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: but one through four easily. He always is asked to

993
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: guard the other team's best scorer two. That's like he's

994
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: handed that role and is one of the better guys

995
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: in the league at shutting down. I saw Nylon calculus

996
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: and the ball index B ball index excuse me, huge

997
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: two stats for Ben Simmons DPIO DPOY candidacy. He spent

998
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: at least fifteen percent of his floor time defending either

999
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: the one, two, three, and four, so he was everywhere

1000
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: all positions he played. And then he always took the

1001
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: number one option more than any other All Star that

1002
00:44:59,120 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: was out there.

1003
00:44:59,560 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: He was on.

1004
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: So I think I think Giannis or Anthony Davis is

1005
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: going to win it and Simmits is going to come

1006
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: in like third or fourth. But man to add what

1007
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 2: you said there, Trey with the highlights sort of defensively too,

1008
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 2: it's a he's got a case. He's got a case

1009
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: to be made. A d's one knock is and it's

1010
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: a weird one. The Lakers actually posted a better defensive

1011
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: efficiency mark with him off the floor, if you you know,

1012
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: if you care like about things like that, that's just

1013
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: maybe it's just one of those weird things. But they're

1014
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: obviously a defensive team.

1015
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder how much of that was to do

1016
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 4: with Dwight Howard as well out there, if they split

1017
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 4: time because dwait was was great and he was having

1018
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 4: an impact for them defense.

1019
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 5: I just wonder. I'm speculating, of course there, but you

1020
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 5: know they Yeah, I.

1021
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 3: Mean, Anthony Davis is a starter, so he's playing against

1022
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 3: the starters, they should have a higher offensive rating. Dwight

1023
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 3: Howard comes in, locks it down as a defender against

1024
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 3: the bench units, they should have a lower defensive rating.

1025
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: That's why defensive rating can be really tough to look

1026
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 3: at it. You look at at the top five and

1027
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 3: it's like Dante di Vincenzo, is he one of the

1028
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: five best defenders in the league or does he happen

1029
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: to play on the same team as Giannis and Brook.

1030
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: Lopez shout out to Brook though, just because he is

1031
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: He's just part of the trickle down effect of Giannis.

1032
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: The last couple of years. He looks like a good defender,

1033
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: when before he did not. In the first parts of

1034
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: his career, he was just mister heavy foot. But now

1035
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: he looks like he's got some bounce out there. So

1036
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of cool, kind of cool to see things

1037
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: like that happen in the NBA because he he could

1038
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: have gone the way of the dinosaurs and just been

1039
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: out of the league at this point. But he's obviously

1040
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: a gifted offensive player and now he's awesome on both ends.

1041
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he leads the league by a wide margin in

1042
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: contested shots per game Brook Lopez, like three more than

1043
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 2: per game than Rudy Gobert. And that's the defensive scheme

1044
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: of the Bucks. It's like, we have all these awesome

1045
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: wing defenders in Giannis and Bledsoe and Middleton and Dvicenzo

1046
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: and even Wesley Matthews and stuff like that's like, yeah,

1047
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: we'll just funnel them all to you, giant Brook, and

1048
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: just challenge those shots as many as you can. And

1049
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: he did an unbelievable job. He has been really good

1050
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: and I think is obviously pretty instrumental to the best

1051
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: defense in the league. But yeah, it's still you're still

1052
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: like Jannis is the better defender for sure, and just

1053
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: in versatility alone. But this was a fun one that

1054
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 2: my gut says Anthony Davis is actually gonna win it

1055
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: in part because voters, I don't know, they may not

1056
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: want to do the old MVP and Defensive Player of

1057
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: the Year combo, like a Keeman MJ for j honest,

1058
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: in a weird season where we're only gonna have played

1059
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: you know, seventy you think that could be the case.

1060
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Lakers are more of a surprise good

1061
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,959
Speaker 1: defensive team as well, so I think he Anthony Davis

1062
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: is going to get all the credit for that. Well,

1063
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,479
Speaker 1: people may not care about the Bucks defense as much,

1064
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: so you know, I think the surprise factor plays into it.

1065
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: And we had Lebron talking up Anthony Davis felt like

1066
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: all season long, right, he's Defensive Player of the Year,

1067
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: He's amazing, and he is. I mean, he's got a

1068
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: ton of blocks, tons of steels. They're top three defensively

1069
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: and yeah, so he might win it, well, Yannis, maybe

1070
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: who knows? All Right, a couple more here, Rookie of

1071
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: the Year. This one's gonna be quick. We only put

1072
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: two up on the poll because there was no point

1073
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 2: to have, Like whatever, I don't know Brandon Clark. Because

1074
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: there's somebody that wasn't gonna win. It's Jah Morant. Or

1075
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: do you think Zion Williamson, having played only nineteen games,

1076
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: has done enough, has impressed you enough to win the thing?

1077
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: People say no, John Morant ninety one point two percent

1078
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: of the vote, only eight point eight percent going to

1079
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: Zion Trey. I imagine you agree with this is.

1080
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I voted for joh. I mean,

1081
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 3: I would love to have voted for Zion, but he

1082
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: played a third of the minutes that John Morant played.

1083
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 3: That's not enough. Considering Jaw has been a worthy Rookie

1084
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: of the Year in his own right since two thousand.

1085
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: If you're looking at per for rookie guards, he's in

1086
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: the top six with Chris Paul, Ben Simmons, Lukadancic, Tyreek Evans,

1087
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: Jaws number five, and Brandon roy Is number six. Those

1088
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: are all rookie of the Year's right there. He's having

1089
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 3: a Rookie of the Year guard season. If Zion had

1090
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: been healthy from the jump, if he was dominating the

1091
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 3: entire season like he was during his nineteen games, Zion

1092
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: would get the ninety one percent of the vote over

1093
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 3: John Morant, I believe, but that's not how it happened.

1094
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 3: So JA an easy pick this season.

1095
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think from what we saw from Zion when

1096
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 4: he did come back, everyone was pretty happy with the

1097
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 4: play and the performance. I mean that very first game,

1098
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 4: of course, against San Antonio, he hits the four threes.

1099
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 4: I think he scored seventeen points in a row for

1100
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 4: the Pelicans.

1101
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 5: They took the lead.

1102
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 4: They weren't able to win that game, but Zion is

1103
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 4: clearly ready already for the NBA, and he's got a body.

1104
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 4: He's got a big, strong body that he can get

1105
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 4: inside and score. He doesn't have to have that jump

1106
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 4: shot yet in his game, but he's got a pretty

1107
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 4: good handle. He can get inside and get to where

1108
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 4: he needs to go. So obviously, if you're the Pelicans,

1109
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 4: there's no question that Zion, you know, if he's overcome

1110
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 4: this injury, hopefully this miniscus doesn't bother him at any point,

1111
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 4: because you know that was what slow Brandon Roy down

1112
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 4: and through his career. But if Zion can get over

1113
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 4: that and become the player that we've seen in his

1114
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 4: brief career already, then he's going to be a superstar.

1115
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 4: Likely to win an MVP at some point, and likely

1116
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 4: certainly to up to the expectations he came in with.

1117
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unfortunate we didn't get to see him in

1118
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: the last quarter of the season for the Pelicans because

1119
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: it would have made this at least somewhat of a

1120
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: conversation at the table here, you know, somewhat because right

1121
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: now he's played nineteen games. It's hard, it's very difficult

1122
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: to even think about it. But if he got up

1123
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: to thirty seven, which would have been his max at

1124
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: twenty three and a half points fifty nine percent from

1125
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: the floor, he hit those threes, so he's shooting forty

1126
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: six percent from three because he doesn't take any that's

1127
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: it's wild to look at those numbers and not think

1128
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: that he would be the rookie of the Year. But yeah,

1129
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: it's the body of the bodywork for Jaw who, like

1130
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: you mentioned about being a young point guard, skeets that

1131
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: John ran coming out and kick an ass and and

1132
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: he's he's so good at balancing, getting everybody involved and

1133
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: being awesome scoring and taking over when he needs to.

1134
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: And so his numbers aren't as gaudy as as zions.

1135
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: But you watch him play and he controls things, and

1136
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: he's a playoff he's it's got a playoff team going.

1137
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: So it would have been a great race if we

1138
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: could have seen Zion from the from the beginning of

1139
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: the season. But even though this class overall isn't all

1140
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: that sexy, I think this will be, uh, you know,

1141
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: two guys that will carry the class for a long

1142
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: long time because they're both gonna be great.

1143
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have been a closer vote. Maybe if

1144
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: the Pelicans snatch the eighth seed from the Grizzlies, like

1145
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: you know, down the home stretch there and somehow pull

1146
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: that off, and Zion, like you said, task plays thirty

1147
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: five plus games, maybe then it's closer, you know, him

1148
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 2: coming in there and taking that away from John Morant

1149
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: and the Grizzlies. But John Moran leads rookie class in

1150
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: total points assists, and he's clutched too. That's the other thing.

1151
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: He like has taken over games for them, shoots really

1152
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: well in the final five minutes of games when it's tight,

1153
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: and he's their leader, like automatically. Michael Shapiro of s

1154
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: I had a wild out of the box idea for

1155
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 2: this one, though. Why don't we delay this award and

1156
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 2: give Zion and Jaw a full season to battle it out,

1157
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: and then we give out Rookie of the Year. We

1158
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: can even double the trophy size for good measure. That's

1159
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: my favorite part of that.

1160
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 3: Are all the rookies for next year involved in this

1161
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 3: as well?

1162
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just they're playing for a super Rookie of

1163
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 2: the Year trophy.

1164
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 3: Nice. It's like a Skins game. You gotta roll it

1165
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 3: over to the next season.

1166
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: That's like brilliant, brilliant idea. Okay, so we don't need

1167
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: to do Hey what about this guy for that one?

1168
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: It's really just John and Zion looked awesome in twenty games. Okay,

1169
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: final one here six Man of the Year. We had

1170
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 2: two Clippers on the board. We had Derek Rose and

1171
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: then we had Dennis Truder. Mantres Harol and Lo Williams

1172
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: were the two Clippers. Dennis Shruder win's the vote a

1173
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 2: bit of a landslide, fifty nine point five percent of

1174
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: the vote for six man, and then Montres Harol coming

1175
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: in second sixteen point one, then Rose fifteen point five

1176
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 2: and Sweet Lou only eight point eight. So Lee, they

1177
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: say the people do that Lou Williams run here of

1178
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: winning six man is over. It should go to Dennis Shrewder.

1179
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that or are you still team

1180
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 2: Lou or maybe his teammate in montres Herrel.

1181
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 4: I think coming into the season I would have picked

1182
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 4: one of those two Clippers. But Dennis Shruder, I think

1183
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 4: has really stamped his name on this award this season.

1184
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 4: He's been very, very good for the Thunder. And what's

1185
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 4: important for Dennis Shruder is one of the big problems

1186
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 4: he had in Atlanta. He wasn't happy playing as six

1187
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 4: man behind Jeff Tigue. He goes to Oka See and

1188
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 4: last season he came off the bench mostly. This season,

1189
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,959
Speaker 4: there's been a lot of change. Of course, Chris Paul

1190
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 4: comes in and Shruder seems to have learnt and really

1191
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 4: matured a lot. And whether or not that's Chris Paul

1192
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 4: or Billy Donovan or just Shrewder himself growing up, but

1193
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 4: it was evident in his play. He was coming out

1194
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 4: nineteen points a game, shooting thirty nine percent from downtown

1195
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 4: and forty seven percent overall. I mean, that's fantastic numbers.

1196
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 4: And he Gilgas, Alexander and Chris Paul were a big

1197
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 4: three headed monster. They were tough to defend. So I'm

1198
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 4: pretty happy with this. I mean, Lou Williams, by his standards,

1199
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 4: is not having a great season, but I think overall,

1200
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 4: Dennis Shruder and the improvement from the Thunder, you're really

1201
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 4: seeing the impact that he's having coming off the bench.

1202
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 4: So I'm happy with him for him to win this award,

1203
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 4: I think he's been great. There was talk about maybe

1204
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 4: the Thunder trading him around the deadline, but I never

1205
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 4: really thought they were going to do that because I

1206
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 4: thought they could see the value that Shrud was providing

1207
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 4: for them, and this was a bit of a season

1208
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 4: of like, hey, let's just see how far we can

1209
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 4: ride this thing.

1210
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 5: You know, because Shrud.

1211
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 4: He's going to be in demand, but I don't think

1212
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 4: he's going to be one of those guys that you

1213
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 4: break your franchise up for either. So I think he's

1214
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 4: been a good player this year and it would be

1215
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 4: nice to see him win this award.

1216
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: Twas you agree with that, I would go with Dennis Shruter.

1217
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: This is definitely one where there's going to be a

1218
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: ton of people who get votes, so I wanted a

1219
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: little refresher for this one. I didn't want to vote

1220
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: for Lou Williams and again, and I think that Reggie

1221
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: Jackson coming in and playing off the Clippers bench and

1222
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: handling the ball hurt Lou Williams a bit, and Lou

1223
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: Williams is getting used to that. And Doc Rivers actually

1224
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: in a conference call recently in Jovann Bouja wrote about

1225
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: it on The Athletic said that that's what they were

1226
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: going to do, and he likes Lou Williams coming off

1227
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: the ball, and he's upset that if they do get

1228
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: back in there is a playoffs that they didn't get

1229
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: more time together, but that hurts Lou and his chances.

1230
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: So I think I think Shrewder will take it. But

1231
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: what I learned from that Clippers article is that they're

1232
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: also doing workouts together. They're doing virtual nine, ten eleven

1233
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: guy workouts at times, so I think there's no excuse

1234
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: for us not to be doing workouts together. JD fire

1235
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: up the video conferencing, let's rocket, let's do it, and

1236
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: Dallas Burton's I want to get Dallas Burton's name in

1237
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: here before it's all said and done, because he was

1238
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: a blast. It was a blast for a while. He

1239
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: made the Wizards, pretty enjoyable. Try.

1240
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 2: You're gonna throw a vote for the big guy in Montres, Harald,

1241
00:55:58,880 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 2: You're the big guy here the group.

1242
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 3: I am the big guy, but I'm not throwing a

1243
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 3: vote to him. I throwing my vote to Derreck Rose,

1244
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 3: who is the only player of these four who is

1245
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 3: the best player on his team. He led the Pistons

1246
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 3: in points per game, assists per game, third in per

1247
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: and first in usage rate. He per thirty six minutes

1248
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 3: per one hundred possessions. Whichever way you want to look

1249
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 3: at it, He's the leading scorer off the bench. He's

1250
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 3: the leading assist guy off the bench. I didn't expect

1251
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 3: Derek Rose to be the guy that I would choose

1252
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 3: for six Man of the Year, but the Pistons don't

1253
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 3: really have much else When Derek Rose is on the court.

1254
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 3: He is their best option.

1255
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: Has I have no idea, so maybe someone can look

1256
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 2: it up. But has there ever been an MVP to

1257
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 2: go on to win six Man?

1258
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 5: Like?

1259
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 3: Did Bill Walton do that?

1260
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, yeah?

1261
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: Is that the only one? That's the only one I

1262
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: can think.

1263
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: And pretty much the same scenario as Derek Rose. He

1264
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: was a young, dominant player who won MVP went through

1265
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 3: a lot of injuries and then was forced into a

1266
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 3: six man role where he ended up succeeding ah Man.

1267
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: I was torn on this one. For my vote, it

1268
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 2: was only between Truder and Montrez Harral. I just wonder

1269
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: Montres Harold's almost hurt in a weird way because of

1270
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: lou Williams and his you know, his history with this

1271
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: this award, and obviously just the two of them are

1272
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: so linked together too when they play because of all

1273
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: the pick and roll action, and they obviously help each

1274
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: other and feed off each other. It's also tough for

1275
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: a non guard to win this thing. I don't think

1276
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: we've had one since lamar Odom, you know, back in

1277
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: like twenty ten eleven for a non guard to win it.

1278
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: So Mantrez Harrold's got that. He's going up against that,

1279
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: but you know, like he's instant energy. He's gives you points,

1280
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: he rebounds, He's such a hustle guy. So he's gonna

1281
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: deserve some votes here and he might run away with it.

1282
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: But Shrewder, he's helped by that that idea of like

1283
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: man CP three SGA and him. Yeah, they're like this

1284
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: super clutch effective lineup. That just win games for Okay, see, yeah,

1285
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: a lot of it is Chris Paul, don't get me wrong,

1286
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 2: like getting his shot and getting to the elbow and

1287
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: splashing it down. But he's hit some big ones too,

1288
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: and is also ramped up his defense. I don't think

1289
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: that should be overlooked because he didn't play a lot

1290
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: of that when he was here in Atlanta, I'll tell

1291
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: you that. And he's actually focused a little bit more

1292
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: on that end of the floor too. So I think

1293
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 2: Shrewder will ultimately win this, but it would be down

1294
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 2: to I think Montrez comes in second.

1295
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 3: So is basically Dennis Shrewder's case over Derreck Rose, that

1296
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 3: he plays on a better team, and that he plays

1297
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 3: alongside Chris Paul, ros has statistically been significantly better than Shruder.

1298
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, but it's like it's sort of

1299
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: maybe who cares type of points and assists and that

1300
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 2: because of his team being so bad. Like I'm trying

1301
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: to think, like when when was the last guy to

1302
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: win this award coming off the bench and scoring obviously

1303
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: a lot, usually on a bad, bad team, Like because.

1304
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 5: I don't I don't have him.

1305
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 3: I mean, Lou Williams was an eighth seed last year.

1306
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 3: That's not a great team.

1307
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're not even an eight The Pisons aren't

1308
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: even an eight seed in the East. I mean, that's

1309
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: they're just so bad. I don't think.

1310
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't have a Chris Paul, they're their best player,

1311
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 3: who they actually acquired from the Clippers as well, Blake

1312
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 3: Griffin was hurt most of the season. They traded their

1313
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 3: other best player in Andre Drummond. But even when those

1314
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 3: guys were there, this season, Rose has been the best

1315
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 3: guy on the Pistons, which obviously didn't take them very far.

1316
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: He's the best guy, then why isn't he starting?

1317
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 3: Well, he was starting after they traded Reggie Jackson. They

1318
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 3: just liked him coming off the bench. I don't know.

1319
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 3: I just I feel like a lot of a lot

1320
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 3: of shrewders cases that he's on a good team, which

1321
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 3: is nice, but not everybody has to be on a

1322
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 3: good team.

1323
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 4: But I think as well, you know, with Shrewd it's

1324
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 4: a story that people a lot of people didn't know

1325
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 4: about him and all of a sudden he's playing really well.

1326
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 4: Whereas obviously Derek Rose, you know, he's an MVP and

1327
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 4: he's had a lot of history and so people, you know,

1328
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 4: have higher expectations. I guess for Derek Rose, you know,

1329
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 4: whereas a shrewder, it's like, oh man, this guy's actually

1330
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 4: really cool. And that's what plays into a lot of awards.

1331
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, I didn't know about this guy and

1332
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 4: he's good, so let's give it to him.

1333
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 5: You know.

1334
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 4: It's whether that's right or wrong, that's again, that's just

1335
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 4: how it goes. I think I think people just would

1336
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 4: have a tougher time voting for Is because of where

1337
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 4: he has been in the league already.

1338
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, I mean, look, there's another guy, right, we

1339
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: already said Christian Wood. He's another guy that I think

1340
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 2: comes off the bench or was at least enough to

1341
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: warrant this this award. He gets some love. Maybe. Jordan

1342
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 2: Clarkson is another name with his weird season, you know,

1343
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 2: going from the Caves to the Jazz, but is a

1344
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,439
Speaker 2: sort of an instant offense type of guy. I think

1345
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: he'll get some looks. Yeah, there's there's a there's no

1346
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: shortage of obviously talented players coming.

1347
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 5: Off the bench, aren't.

1348
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: Aren't Dereck Roses and Denisher's stats essentially the same. When

1349
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: you said stats wise because they're you know, both.

1350
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're yeah, but Rose plays five fewer minutes

1351
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 3: per game.

1352
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: Mhm, okay, yeah, I don't. I'll be shocked if he

1353
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 2: wins it, I'll tell you that.

1354
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 3: But he's oh yeah, I would be shocked at Rose

1355
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 3: wins it or even finish the second in the vote.

1356
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 3: But I think it's I think it's basically because people

1357
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 3: are like, this is Derek Rose. He was an MVP,

1358
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 3: despite the fact that he probably has been the best

1359
01:00:59,040 --> 01:00:59,959
Speaker 3: guy off the bench this season.

1360
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and.

1361
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: That's where he belongs. I was a Derrick roseman for

1362
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: a long time until as as far as winning this award,

1363
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: until he started starting and not that you know that

1364
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: should take it away from it, but yeah, he started

1365
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: a decent amount of games now and he's definitely their closer,

1366
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: and that's where he should be because at this point

1367
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: of his career can't play starters minutes. So it's great

1368
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: for him and that he's that young to find like

1369
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: I know it, it feels like Derek Rose has been

1370
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: around forever, but to have this sort of second phase

1371
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: of his career at thirty one now, it's a lot

1372
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: of guys don't find that and so yeah, I think

1373
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: if he sticks with this, he can have another five

1374
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: years potentially four years at this, you know, being in

1375
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: a six man which is pretty cool.

1376
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is ultimately a trade. Like they're twenty and

1377
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 2: forty six. I mean, there's like they're one of the

1378
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: worst teams in the league, and that's you're right, Is

1379
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: that is that Derrick Rose's fault? Probably not at all,

1380
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: because he's played well in whatever twenty six minutes per game.

1381
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: But gonna be tough to get a lot of love

1382
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 2: in this award because people will just look at it

1383
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 2: as like it's just sort of empty stats. It's like

1384
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 2: Lee talking about Nikolovucevic. Also, I mean similar to Derek Rows. Like,

1385
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 2: Terrence Ross is a pretty damn good six man on

1386
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: a team that I guess that's marginally better in Orlando.

1387
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: He might get some love too. To throw in one more, Hey,

1388
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,959
Speaker 2: what about this guy? Anyone else we're missing here?

1389
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: I mentioned Davis, but that's about it. The Human Torch

1390
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: nickname for Terrence Ross. It's a good nickname. I don't

1391
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: know if it's fitting. I mean, you guys tell me JD.

1392
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: Is you remember Terrence Ross from his Raptor days? He

1393
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: scored fifty points. Once upon a time is a human

1394
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: torch nickname. It's a Marvel guy, right, it is.

1395
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 6: A Marvel guy, remember the Fantastic four. Right, he could

1396
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 6: fly and he could turn himself on fire, and I

1397
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 6: believe he could shoot fire out of his fingers. So

1398
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 6: is that Terrence Ross?

1399
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, there you go, you can fly fiery fingers.

1400
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: That is Terrence Ross.

1401
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that works.

1402
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 5: Nickname checks O cool.

1403
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. It feels like this

1404
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: year more than previous years. I don't know, maybe it's

1405
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: the old recency bias, but it feels like we we

1406
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 2: and like the collective media and even fans for the

1407
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: most part, agree on a lot of these awards. Right,

1408
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of arguments being had over these.

1409
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: Really defensive Player of the one Defensive Player of the

1410
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 2: Year is the only one that is like, feels almost

1411
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 2: tight in a way.

1412
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that. I mean, we basically

1413
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 3: have two candidates for two of the major awards, in

1414
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 3: MVP and Rookie of the Year, and in one of

1415
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 3: those it's easily a blowout. And you know, for the

1416
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 3: MVP vote, it's almost a blow and even our vote

1417
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 3: turned out being seventy five percent. So yeah, I mean

1418
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 3: it does seem to be quite a bit of consensus

1419
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 3: right now. But I suppose that's how it is when

1420
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 3: you got one team that was clearly about the best

1421
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 3: team throughout the season in both conferences.

1422
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. All right, Well, I wanted to end

1423
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: this podcast with a little little horse talk. You guys

1424
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: know I hate horses. No, So wait, you know ESPN

1425
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 2: and the NBA and WNBA have partnered for a two

1426
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 2: day horse challenge. It's starting this Sunday. It's gonna feature

1427
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: eight current and former stars from the two leagues. We

1428
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 2: got our pairings. We now know our pairings. It's gonna

1429
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 2: be Trey Young versus Chauncey Billips Hall of Famer to

1430
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 2: be Tamika Catchings versus Mike Conley Junior. We got Zach

1431
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 2: Levine versus Paul Pierce, and then Chris Paul versus w

1432
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: NBA star Ali Quigley. So the two players will match

1433
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 2: shots against one another in a single elimination horse competition

1434
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: from their respective isolated home courts. We're gonna get ESPN

1435
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 2: NBA commentator Mark Jones as the host on this one.

1436
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 2: Players must describe each shot attempt, specifying the type of

1437
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 2: shot they intend to make, like whether it's gonna be

1438
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 2: like a bank shot or a switch or stuff like that.

1439
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: And dunking is prohibited, So Zach Zach Levine can't put

1440
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 2: out Paul Pierce with a couple of cool dunks.

1441
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 3: Is Zach Levine the only player in this contest who

1442
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 3: can dunk? You think Paul Pierce still can?

1443
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 2: Huh? I mean, I who Conley?

1444
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 3: I suppose maybe could still throw it out. Yeah, I

1445
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 3: mean even maybe.

1446
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 2: Could still throw one down. Yeah, but you're right, we

1447
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of dunkers in this. This effects

1448
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 2: one guy, it seems, yeah. So they're like, it's yeah.

1449
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: The press release should have just said, hey, Zach, no doubt,

1450
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: but we have odds out for this guys.

1451
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

1452
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 2: So I saw bet online had the odds for this

1453
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 2: NBA horse competition. Trey Young the favorite two to one,

1454
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 2: Chris Paul was five to two, Conley three to one,

1455
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 2: Paul Pierce four to one, better than Zach Levine at

1456
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 2: five to one, Bill up six to one, Ali quickly

1457
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 2: eight to one, and then Tamika Catching is ten to one.

1458
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 2: So Task one, you guys started a are you excited

1459
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 2: about this, and then b who do you like to

1460
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 2: take this thing?

1461
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: And why I'm interested to see how it all plays

1462
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: out on the television more from a production standpoint, probably

1463
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: from a basketball standpoint, but yeah, I'll tune in. I'll

1464
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: tune in to see Trey Young win this thing. This

1465
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: is a shooters competition really when it comes down to it,

1466
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: And I think Trey is the best shooter out there.

1467
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: And I've seen him in his crop tops practicing basketball

1468
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: out there in the last few weeks. He's playing against

1469
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,439
Speaker 1: his dog and his driveway, so I think he's he's

1470
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: staying sharp, and I think he'll wear a crop top

1471
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: to this event and he'll take it. I mean, I'm

1472
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: looking forward to Zach Lavine. I saw it on Reddit today.

1473
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: Zach Lavine's got to try something from the three point line.

1474
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: A finger roll, I guess, like you got a leap

1475
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: from the from the three point line. Yeah, that would

1476
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: probably be hard for a lot of players to do,

1477
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: I guess, but there's no specifying how you finish right,

1478
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's either a banker it goes in,

1479
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: but maybe you call it a finger roll, and that's

1480
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: hard to duplicate. If you're jumping from the three point line.

1481
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,040
Speaker 1: I think that should be his go to move. I

1482
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: think he's gonna eliminate Paul Pierce. I'm betting on that. Yeah.

1483
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's the thing you said. This is uh,

1484
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: you know, it favors the shooters. It's a shooters competition.

1485
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 2: But I'm just curious, like how creative they're gonna get

1486
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 2: or are they just going to be like we saw

1487
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 2: in the old horse competitions unfortunately that were live back

1488
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 2: in what nine to ten, when Kevin Durant went back

1489
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: to back, it was really just like it wasn't that creative.

1490
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 2: It was like, all right, I'll take a jumper, or

1491
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 2: I'll take a three from the corner or maybe like

1492
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: a deeper three, Like I hope it's not that like,

1493
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 2: of course, that's fine sprinkled in like a normal shot

1494
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. But like, I mean,

1495
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 2: you gotta hope we get a little more creativity from

1496
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 2: from the men and women here. And I'm talking you know,

1497
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: like you know, shots over your head, like backwards or

1498
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 2: like over the backboard.

1499
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 3: Right hand left back, Yeah.

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01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 5: Like the classically ls.

1501
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 2: You didn't call bang in that one.

1502
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 5: You challenge no, I didn't.

1503
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 4: But that's the thing with Horse. It doesn't have to

1504
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 4: be like just those long shots. Do just do something

1505
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 4: silly and dumb like that, because as we know, those

1506
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 4: can be the hottest ones to mike, the ones that

1507
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 4: you think are kind of simple.

1508
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if and and that's fine because this is

1509
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 2: gonna be an edited, you know production here, Like this

1510
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 2: isn't gonna be live, so you can get away with that,

1511
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 2: like a lot more misses because you just edit those

1512
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,440
Speaker 2: out to some extent and make this just an entertaining product.

1513
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 2: But I'm sort of excited for this, but it's all

1514
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: gonna come down to that production. It's like the editing,

1515
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 2: Like you can make this exciting if they're being funny

1516
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:29,799
Speaker 2: with their shots.

1517
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's unfortunately why I think you gotta look

1518
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 3: at Chris Paul as a guy who's gonna go quite

1519
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 3: far in this competition, because Trey Young probably taking some

1520
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 3: silly shots Zach Lavine as well, But Chris Paul's gonna

1521
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 3: just be taking fifteen footers the entire day, just pulling

1522
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 3: up shooting fifteen footers.

1523
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

1524
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 3: That's how I lose every single time I play a horse.

1525
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 3: I've never beaten Laura in Horse because when we're playing,

1526
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 3: I'm shooting from forty feet trying to bounce the ball

1527
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 3: in off the ground every single time. And she shoots

1528
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 3: a free throw, I'm like, okay, I'll go miss a

1529
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 3: free throw, real, Ques, I can get back to trying

1530
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 3: to shoot my ball off the ground. Next thing I know,

1531
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 3: I've got four letters and haven't even hit the rim

1532
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 3: off the bounce. So yeah, I imagine Chris Paul is

1533
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 3: gonna play gonna slow player here and just kill him

1534
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 3: from the mid range like he usually does.

1535
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: Is Mike Conley the only left handed player in this?

1536
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: Someone know that, Yeah, that'll come into play. I guess

1537
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 2: it's your dominant hand. You'll have to be very specific

1538
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 2: when they.

1539
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 5: Do all that. But he's he's so good on both hands. Really, yeah,

1540
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 5: that's true.

1541
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 4: You know, he's kind of ampidexterrous there. I'm going with

1542
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 4: Ali Quigley. I think Ali's gonna upset the upset here

1543
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 4: because she's a two time WNBA three point champ and

1544
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 4: she actually set the record, so she's got the range.

1545
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 4: But I think as well her and Tamika going in this,

1546
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 4: they know they have to bring something special to upset

1547
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 4: the guys. So I think she's gonna pull out some

1548
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 4: tricks and some magic and cause an upset, knockout Chris

1549
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 4: Paul in that first round and then run the field

1550
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 4: from there. So give me Ali quickly at eight to one.

1551
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, I mean you're yeah, you're getting good, good

1552
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 2: odds here on the women and Ali Quigley think at

1553
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: the end, you know what, give me catchings. She's got

1554
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 2: damn Hall of Famer of the group.

1555
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, And.

1556
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 2: You know you would you would think, like, yeah, oh,

1557
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take Trey Young, Okay, if that makes sense.

1558
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 2: He's an All Star already. He is the youngest guy

1559
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 2: in this But uh, I don't know. You play horse

1560
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 2: with those those grizzled old vets. They got those crazy

1561
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 2: shots like Jay Triano right is like notoriously one of

1562
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 2: like the best like trick shooters in the NBA. Former

1563
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: Raptors coach. He's on I forget what Benchi's on right now,

1564
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 2: but is he on Charlotte?

1565
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1566
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 3: So hey what about this guy?

1567
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I wish she was in it now

1568
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 2: because I guess he's got a lot of tricks up

1569
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 2: his sleeve. But I'll take Tamika catchings as the long

1570
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 2: shot here at ten to one. I've seen it even

1571
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 2: worse than that. It's at twelve to one. I gotta

1572
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 2: lay some coin on this man. I'm Jones gonna make

1573
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 2: some money here, at least get some get some juice

1574
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 2: in the game. So yeah, this should be fun. We

1575
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 2: get the first rounds, we see this on Sunday night,

1576
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 2: and then I think Thursdays we get the semi finals

1577
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 2: and the finals. So again, this was all We'll be

1578
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 2: all packaged and hopefully be entertaining. So let's hear from

1579
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 2: you guys. Who you like in the NBA horse competition.

1580
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 2: Who do you like in all those awards? Agreed? Disagree?

1581
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 2: I know we're gonna get the old Well, hey what

1582
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 2: about this guy? When talking about hey what about this guy?

1583
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 2: So tell us who we missed. Email us no dunks

1584
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 2: at the Athletic dot Com. Keep your questions and your

1585
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,880
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1586
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 2: Or use the hashtag no dunks Your weekend film session homework. Everyone,

1587
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 2: we are watching Love and Basketball. Yeah, Little Sexy Time.

1588
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 2: I don't know is it a sex I've actually never

1589
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 2: watched it. I can't believe I've never seen love in basketball,

1590
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 2: so I'm sort of excited. Has anyone ever seen it?

1591
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 5: Nope, not the whole way.

1592
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: Wow, not the whole way, Not the whole way. Okay,

1593
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: I've seen minutes of love.

1594
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, did you see the love part

1595
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 2: of the basketball? So Love and Basketball, everybody, that is

1596
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 2: the movie we're all watching this weekend. So make sure

1597
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 2: you do the same so you can have a laugh

1598
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 2: with us on Monday's film session. Should be a blast.

1599
01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:59,759
Speaker 2: All right, Clipper bros, you heard it here first.

1600
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 3: Have a great time. Turn up love you guys awesome.

1601
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, And I remember love in basketball?

1602
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 1: Isn't that the same thing?

1603
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 2: Praise the WEEKND people.

1604
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 5: You could stay boo every day.

1605
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: And I'd be happy every minute. It's been so long

1606
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: that you're the funna wait for It's happened already. It's

1607
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:30,839
Speaker 1: gonna be grevy