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Speaker 1: Past from the Baptist Health Studio. This inside the Baptist
Speaker 1: Help Training Complex. This is Drivetime with Travis Wingfield.
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Speaker 1: What is up Dolphins? And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Travis Wingfield. And on today's show
Speaker 1: we start our draft preview series with our esteemed guest
Speaker 1: Taylor Kyles is with us today to talk wideouts. Plus
Speaker 1: we'll have some trade options that we could look at
Speaker 1: in the first round and my favorite picks for pick
Speaker 1: twenty one. On this eighth day of April from the
Speaker 1: Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.
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Speaker 1: The Draft Time Podcast. Maybe daffeirs On this Monday, we
Speaker 1: three and a half weeks out from the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: I wanted to take a look at my favorite players
Speaker 1: that could be on the board for pick twenty one
Speaker 1: come April twenty fifth. And like the more tape I watch,
Speaker 1: this will likely change just FYI and we do it
Speaker 1: because well it's fun and it's a good exercise to
Speaker 1: see the different scenarios that my scenarios, scenarios that Miami
Speaker 1: could face come Draft nine. In order to execute this,
Speaker 1: we're gonna run a mock draft simulator on pff RIP
Speaker 1: Draft Network, and I will not use PFNS, and I'll
Speaker 1: go off of the available names from that list, just
Speaker 1: so it's not arbitrary, all right, So I ran it,
Speaker 1: and the big three quarterbacks went first. Then the top
Speaker 1: three receivers were gone by pick eight. McCarthy and Joe
Speaker 1: alt In there as well. Vers and Turner gone, no surprises,
Speaker 1: brock Bauers gone to corners, Mitchell and Arnold both gone, Latham, Fuaga, Fashanu, Mims,
Speaker 1: and Barton all of the offensive linemen there, they're gone.
Speaker 1: And then lot Too and Nix both went off the boards.
Speaker 1: And this is what I mean, man Like twenty one
Speaker 1: should it should provide some really good options for the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. And that's why I want to look at
Speaker 1: at who could be eager to get up and who
Speaker 1: could maybe help us recoup some draft capital and get
Speaker 1: the player we might covet on the first night. So
Speaker 1: off the top, here are my preferred players, my short
Speaker 1: list of guys at twenty one as it stands right now.
Speaker 1: Number one is you Dubbs Troy Fatanu and look, I've
Speaker 1: regurgitated this take time and time and time again. He's
Speaker 1: O line one for me. Getting him here would be
Speaker 1: not to me that dissimilar to when we left the
Speaker 1: first round with Jalen Waddle and Jalen Phillips. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: two players and too you know, basically they haven't made
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl yet, but I consider them Pro bowlers.
Speaker 1: Hard to imagine a better scenario from my own scatting
Speaker 1: reports than getting out of this draft with Troy Fatanu
Speaker 1: and the way that Jalen Phillips should not have been
Speaker 1: there at eighteen. I don't think Fatano should be there
Speaker 1: at twenty one. But it's a deep tackle class, so
Speaker 1: who the hell knows. But gosh, this board is loaded. Man.
Speaker 1: I've got both Johnny Newton and Byron Murphy on the board,
Speaker 1: and I love both those guys at the spot, we'll
Speaker 1: go with him in that order. Newton first, Murphy one B,
Speaker 1: and I refer you back to the podcast last week
Speaker 1: where I broke down each of their games. I love
Speaker 1: love Newton's pass rush, I love love love Murphy's ability
Speaker 1: to beat three hundred and thirty pound dudes at three
Speaker 1: hundred pounds and still give you plenty of rush or pop.
Speaker 1: I should say, as a pass rusher to boot either
Speaker 1: of those players is a round tripper as they call
Speaker 1: him in baseball. And then my fourth guy is Jackson
Speaker 1: Powers Johnson. He was kind of my first darling of
Speaker 1: this cycle. And that's a typical draft cycle rotation for me.
Speaker 1: Fall for a player, watch one hundred more guys, kind
Speaker 1: of forget about the first guy, and then you come
Speaker 1: back to him. You always come back to your first love.
Speaker 1: I dated my high school sweetheart a second time in college.
Speaker 1: Didn't work out at all, but you do it. But
Speaker 1: I mean three hundred and thirty pounds, that quickness, the
Speaker 1: love of the game. I just think that he's going
Speaker 1: to be a star on the interior for somebody. And
Speaker 1: this draft again fell in a very nice way for
Speaker 1: multiple reasons. If you want a cornerback, Cooper dejan is there,
Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins is there, and so is kool Aid. McKinstry
Speaker 1: all there, Peyton Wilson, the top linebacker on PFF's board,
Speaker 1: and then Brian Thomas, the receiver that I could be
Speaker 1: indifferent on, and then Xavier Legga is there as well.
Speaker 1: So I think I'm gonna stay with a four man
Speaker 1: shortlist board there because they come with to me a
Speaker 1: significant gap over the rest of the field. So for
Speaker 1: this exercise, Troy Fatanu, Johnny Newton, Byron Murphy, Jackson, Powers
Speaker 1: Johnson are my four players on the short list of
Speaker 1: guys that were there for the simulation. Let's do four
Speaker 1: posterity sake one more simulation and see if it changes
Speaker 1: it all. So Fatano did go off the board on
Speaker 1: the second simulation, and yes, part of the infatuation with him,
Speaker 1: let me just say this first, I think he is
Speaker 1: a franchise pillar left tackle. But part of the draw
Speaker 1: is I see a lot of Laramie Tounzel there and
Speaker 1: that he could come in while you still have Brandon Albert,
Speaker 1: to Ron Armstead and Austin Jackson on the right side
Speaker 1: for that matter, and be a damn good left guard
Speaker 1: while you wait for him to become your franchise left
Speaker 1: tackle and kick out there seamlessly, smoothly and just become
Speaker 1: the next layer may Tunzel. That's kind of where I
Speaker 1: view Fatano's game. But because he did go off the
Speaker 1: board and Brian Thomas goes way up at number fifteen,
Speaker 1: we get Newton, We get no Byron Murphy this time.
Speaker 1: The corners are all here again. JPJ is there again,
Speaker 1: but so are JC Latham and Amarius Mims, which would
Speaker 1: fall into the home run pick category for me. I
Speaker 1: think Latham is right up there in terms of his upside,
Speaker 1: and Amarius Mims is the biggest boomer Bus prospect in
Speaker 1: the draft. So I can see how you wouldn't want
Speaker 1: that if you're the Miami Dolphins. But I can also
Speaker 1: see why it could be a great pick because you
Speaker 1: could get a franchise stalwart at pick twenty one at
Speaker 1: one of the premium spots in the national football So
Speaker 1: that worked out perfectly. I love when your hypothesis provides
Speaker 1: you the results you hope for, because hey, we're scientists here.
Speaker 1: We're all scientists, right, we have to be willing to
Speaker 1: accept that it won't always you won't always get the
Speaker 1: results you desire, but getting the desired result on your
Speaker 1: hypothesis makes it so much better. So with that in mind,
Speaker 1: and look like, maybe the list is longer, maybe it's
Speaker 1: shorter for the Dolphins in terms of that pick at
Speaker 1: twenty one, who the hell knows. But for my own
Speaker 1: multiple month preparation of work, here back in the studio,
Speaker 1: back here grinding, watching the tape at grinding the tape
Speaker 1: on Twitter. That's Kyle. I come away from two simulations
Speaker 1: where I have four players. I would leave the first
Speaker 1: round thrilled about and quite frankly, if I include the corners,
Speaker 1: it's more like six guys that I love. And when
Speaker 1: that happens, you try to find your twenty twenty trade
Speaker 1: from twenty six back to thirty, don't you. You just
Speaker 1: don't take no Ignaggi this time. You can still get
Speaker 1: one of those guys and recoup a mid round pick,
Speaker 1: something I would love to see happen, just because I
Speaker 1: love the talent in rounds three through four of this class.
Speaker 1: So let's take a look at some trade up and
Speaker 1: trade back options that could exist for the Dolphins come
Speaker 1: night one of the draft. First thing, a disclaimer, it
Speaker 1: takes two to tangle, right baby, Oh shopping back dad?
Speaker 1: You always see this, And look, if we're going to
Speaker 1: address every take on Twitter, we're gonna be here all day.
Speaker 1: But oh, I should have traded up or down from that,
Speaker 1: they could have gotten three picks later. I used three
Speaker 1: picks because it's hilarious, like, oh, you drafted him three
Speaker 1: spots too high. Like those are criticisms you see from Twitter, GMS, right,
Speaker 1: but like, you can't just force a trade dog. This
Speaker 1: is not Dwight forcing Andy to sign the title of
Speaker 1: his ex Terra over. You need two consenting parties. You
Speaker 1: can't just say sign it, sign it out now, and
Speaker 1: Andy does it. And here's where it gets tough, Like
Speaker 1: I think the quarterback is the one you always search for,
Speaker 1: you know, the rights to get that move down package.
Speaker 1: And we were lucky, the lucky ones in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one to be smack dab in the middle of quarterback
Speaker 1: alley there between Trevor Lawrence is Zach Wilson and then
Speaker 1: Trey Lance was the guy that the Niners came up
Speaker 1: to get there ahead of Justin Fields and mac Jones. Right,
Speaker 1: So that was a prime spot to be to recoup
Speaker 1: draft capital. But here the one guy I think that
Speaker 1: makes any sense for anybody, and then maybe you don't
Speaker 1: take him here. This is why I think he could
Speaker 1: slide because once you get to that, like there's one
Speaker 1: quarterback left that everybody kind of likes, but you know,
Speaker 1: isn't willing to go all in on. They tend to slide.
Speaker 1: Whether it's Aaron Rodgers in two thousand and five, or shoot,
Speaker 1: who was with Jimmy Klausen was the guy that slid?
Speaker 1: Who was the one last year? Somebody will Levis slid
Speaker 1: last year? Right Like, once they get past that threshold
Speaker 1: of the teams that suck in the top of the
Speaker 1: first round, you kind of hit that loll where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: we already have a quarterback and we can get you
Speaker 1: later on because no one else can take the quarterback
Speaker 1: here because they all have quarterbacks too. But here with
Speaker 1: Pennix on the board and probably not coming off anytime soon,
Speaker 1: right Like I said, Philly, Dallas, Green Bay coming up.
Speaker 1: But then there's Minnesota and Tampa Bay in that range
Speaker 1: at twenty three and twenty six as well. But I
Speaker 1: suspect that Minnesota does find a dance partner up higher
Speaker 1: to get one of the top five quarterbacks. I don't
Speaker 1: think you move that capital to go up and just
Speaker 1: pick at twenty three and eleven. We'll see, but I
Speaker 1: don't imagine that happens. I also don't imagine Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: gives Baker Mayfield that contract, even though it's not like
Speaker 1: the top of the line quarterbacks, which is such a
Speaker 1: rare spot. You're like, hey, you're gonna be our starter,
Speaker 1: but we don't think you're like a top twelve quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's kind of weird limbo. You're in there. But when
Speaker 1: you get that contract up, do you then move up
Speaker 1: for a quarterback? Probably not. They could take one, but
Speaker 1: I doubt they leap a bunch of teams who already
Speaker 1: have established quarterb to go get their guy. And then
Speaker 1: it's Arizona with Kyler Murray, Buffalo with Josh Allen, Detroit
Speaker 1: but Jerard Goff Baltimore, Lamar Jackson, San fran with Brock Purdy,
Speaker 1: and case with that freaking Patrick Mahomes guy. Like, show
Speaker 1: me the quarterback needy team there? It doesn't exist. So
Speaker 1: I think the most plausible route is going back into
Speaker 1: round two because what you probably need from a non
Speaker 1: quarterback standpoint is one of those top tackles or offensive
Speaker 1: lineman right to drop to you, whether that's Graham barton
Speaker 1: the top of your interior guys or whoever it might be,
Speaker 1: or if it's Latham or whoever might be. But then
Speaker 1: are you passing that up? Like if JC Latham falls
Speaker 1: to you, do you pass on that? I don't think
Speaker 1: you do. I don't know, but go to any draft publication.
Speaker 1: In my own perception as well as offensive line is
Speaker 1: going to be one of your top three needs going
Speaker 1: into this draft, right, So if the team agrees with you,
Speaker 1: then you'd think it's hard to believe that happens. And
Speaker 1: then it's like, do you want Dude Newton or Murphy drop? Well?
Speaker 1: I like both of them, and I think there's a
Speaker 1: good case to be made to draft the defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: and we don't think we have you know, we have Wilkins,
Speaker 1: and the aggregate, we don't have wilkins replacement shot for shot.
Speaker 1: Then there's like a bunch of good cornerbacks. So who
Speaker 1: is enticed to come up right here to somebody love
Speaker 1: Jackson powers Johnson enough to come up I kind of
Speaker 1: doubt that too. And then at the top of round two,
Speaker 1: you figure all those teams are gonna get their quarterback
Speaker 1: in the first round. The Panthers took theirs last year.
Speaker 1: Whoops the Patriots at thirty four. If they don't get
Speaker 1: one in at number three, maybe they're a guy a
Speaker 1: team that comes up here, but they probably don't trade
Speaker 1: with you in that position. Thirty five Arizona they have theirs.
Speaker 1: Washington surely takes a quarterback at two, right, they're at
Speaker 1: thirty six. Maybe then it's them coming up for receiver
Speaker 1: to pair with Daniels may or mccarthur, whoever they take,
Speaker 1: Chargers Titans. They're gonna go with Will Levis this year.
Speaker 1: I mean the Chargers should could maybe move off Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert right because he's been disappointing. I kid, I kid,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just Carolina Washington again, Like, I just
Speaker 1: don't think you're getting the quarterback takeer there so forecasting
Speaker 1: who would be and for what beyond that is very
Speaker 1: very tricky. Maybe Dallas wants to get up three spots
Speaker 1: and jump Philly to get their Tyrone Smith replacement. Maybe
Speaker 1: Arizona finds a player, a cornerback they like of the
Speaker 1: Eagles pick because the Eagles need corner help that they
Speaker 1: cover it. They have the draft capital to be aggressive
Speaker 1: after the Will Anderson trade last year, So maybe that's
Speaker 1: the spot that makes the most sense. All these cornerbacks
Speaker 1: Arizona six spots behind put you in position to still
Speaker 1: get the guy you want, probably and recoop what would
Speaker 1: be a pick that's worth one hundred and twenty points
Speaker 1: them to go from twenty seven to twenty one, and
Speaker 1: using the very outdated Jimmy Johnson Draft trade value chart,
Speaker 1: which is a kin to the this, it provides a
Speaker 1: pick that is a kin to the ninety fifth pick,
Speaker 1: a third round pick, and so Arizona happens to have
Speaker 1: the ninetieth pick. So let's say you can recoup that
Speaker 1: third round pick that you forfeited for in the tampering
Speaker 1: nonsense stuff a while back. So that's what you get here.
Speaker 1: And what's nice about the mock simulator is you can
Speaker 1: force the opposing team to make the trade. Do it,
Speaker 1: turn it, turn it right now. Pffs. Some of the
Speaker 1: cardinals were not interested. I said, too damn bad, buddy,
Speaker 1: learn you better learn trade a knees real quick. So
Speaker 1: then I went twenty seven edge layout tow lot to
Speaker 1: from UCLA. If that's the case, go ahead and mount
Speaker 1: the statute today because getting him on a trade back
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. And then pick fifty five. I did this
Speaker 1: a few time, and this guy was always the pick
Speaker 1: right here. Guard Christian Haynes from Yukon. I think he's
Speaker 1: a plug employee star our day one. He's your rob
Speaker 1: hunt of twenty twenty four, and then it picked ninety.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna love this wide receiver Malachai Corley
Speaker 1: Western Kentucky. I would be so happy with that draft
Speaker 1: class right there. And then straight up options. I mean,
Speaker 1: first you have to identify a player you love, right
Speaker 1: you can't know who that is for any given team,
Speaker 1: of course, So we look at mine, which is Troy Fatanu,
Speaker 1: and so I look at another simulation. Seven offensive linemen
Speaker 1: go in front of me, most notably Fatanu at fifteen
Speaker 1: to the Colts, And that comes off the heels of
Speaker 1: a really good potential tackle run there with the Saints,
Speaker 1: who lost Ramcheck for the entire season already, the Raiders
Speaker 1: need to right tackle to pair of Colton Miller with
Speaker 1: the other tackle spot. The Jets are at ten. Figure
Speaker 1: to go offensive line or receiver. I think is pretty
Speaker 1: obvious there the Jags. I mean, you can throw a
Speaker 1: penny up the draft board, it probably lands on a
Speaker 1: team that needs a tackle. But I like that fifteenth
Speaker 1: spot with Indy because it gets you ahead of Jacksonville
Speaker 1: Sincey and Pittsburgh, who all have o line and tackle
Speaker 1: spots as their top needs. In the offseason, Seattle has
Speaker 1: a guard at their top need as well. So that
Speaker 1: cost to get up on the JJ draft chart is
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty points, which is probably next year's
Speaker 1: natural third. And remember we figure to get two additional
Speaker 1: third round picks in the comp formula next year. So
Speaker 1: like I think that I affords you some aggressive You're
Speaker 1: the opportunity to be aggresive if you want to. And
Speaker 1: then that fifth round pick this year that makes up
Speaker 1: the two hundred and fifty points, So next year's third,
Speaker 1: this year's fifth round pick to go up and get
Speaker 1: Troy Fatanu. Is it worth it? I think it is,
Speaker 1: so I think either way you have lots and lots
Speaker 1: of choices, and good ones too. Those extra projected COMP
Speaker 1: picks afford you the opportunity to be aggressive, and depending
Speaker 1: how the board falls, you could even stand to gain
Speaker 1: more capital and get one more guy that you love.
Speaker 1: Fun exercise, let's go ahead and take our first break
Speaker 1: right there. Come back on the other side and get
Speaker 1: to my guest and preview this wide receiver class with
Speaker 1: the great Taylor Kyle's That's Next Draft Time podcast, your
Speaker 1: host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation. The
Speaker 1: first of our draft position previews with my esteem guest,
Speaker 1: my Rollodecks of Knowers as it were here on the
Speaker 1: Draft Time podcast. We kick it off with the position
Speaker 1: group that I cannot shut up about this entire draft process.
Speaker 1: The receivers. I love this year's class. I think that
Speaker 1: there's a chance we see Miami go after that position
Speaker 1: at some point in this draft. And to help us
Speaker 1: go through it all and talk about these prospects from
Speaker 1: Patriots CLNS formally of next year on stats, so you
Speaker 1: know he's covered in the resume. There are Taylor, Kyle's Taylor.
Speaker 1: What's happening?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be back on with you, buddy.
Speaker 2: Always love talking ball. I'm glad we get to talk
Speaker 2: to receivers. Like you said, man, this is a fun
Speaker 2: class loaded all throughout. You can get talent in every
Speaker 2: single round. So yeah, man, I'm excited to really dive in.
Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, like, let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: get someone that knows some football and someone that covers
Speaker 1: a team that probably will go after receivers. Who better
Speaker 1: than Taylor because the Patriots right like it's gonna be
Speaker 1: there's gonna be at least one receiver taken by the
Speaker 1: Patriots this year.
Speaker 2: I have to imagine I'm hoping they doubled dip Man
Speaker 2: because free agency it didn't work out.
Speaker 3: They tried to get Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 2: I don't think he was really dead set on joining
Speaker 2: a team in New England with high tax is where
Speaker 2: they don't even know who their quarterback is gonna be.
Speaker 3: So it's obvious that they do want to weaponize.
Speaker 2: I think that's a real priority, but it seems like
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to do that through the draft because
Speaker 2: this is a pretty significant rebuild for them, so probably
Speaker 2: gonna be a double dip at least that we see
Speaker 2: from them in the wide receiver department.
Speaker 1: Well that's a great way to start the podcast here,
Speaker 1: because I wanted to lead off by having you do
Speaker 1: overtime work here. I didn't ask you to come on
Speaker 1: Talk Patriots, but I'm gonna have you do it anyways,
Speaker 1: because you cover a team that we play twice a
Speaker 1: year and have had good success against recently after a
Speaker 1: twenty year run where it was not so successful. But
Speaker 1: the Patriots, I think this year might be the pivot
Speaker 1: point unless they just take the quarterback and maybe that
Speaker 1: becomes different pivot point. But they could be the pivot
Speaker 1: point in this year's draft at number three, and I'm curious,
Speaker 1: quarterback receiver, what do you think is gonna happen at
Speaker 1: that third pick? And then also what does GM Taylor
Speaker 1: want to do with the third pick?
Speaker 3: What I think is gonna happen?
Speaker 2: Is I really in This may be a cop out,
Speaker 2: but I think if they like the quarterbacks, if they
Speaker 2: say Jayde Daniels and or Drake may is a franchise
Speaker 2: caliber guy, I think they stay put. They've been very
Speaker 2: vogue about the fact that they like this quarterback class,
Speaker 2: they like the toughness and all.
Speaker 3: The traits that they have.
Speaker 2: So I think if they're confiding those guys, they're going
Speaker 2: to stay put and try to set this franchise in
Speaker 2: a particular direction with, you know, a really talented player,
Speaker 2: obviously top three type of talent. But if they aren't
Speaker 2: convinced in one or both of these guys, if they're like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to risk, you know, getting stuck with
Speaker 2: the guy that we're not too sure about, I think
Speaker 2: they take one of those Godfather halls and try to
Speaker 2: really accumulate picks. Girod Mayo said during the Coaches breakfast
Speaker 2: couple weeks back that you know, the best way to
Speaker 2: do well in the draft is to accumulate more picks,
Speaker 2: give yourself more shots. So I do legitimately think that
Speaker 2: they're open to trading. If they do that, I'd like
Speaker 2: to see them getting offensive tackle. I think we've seen
Speaker 2: one Elliott Wolf at all of his stops. They've done
Speaker 2: a really good job with the Browns and the Packers
Speaker 2: of finding wide receiver talent in the middle the late
Speaker 2: rounds of the draft. But tackle is that position. We're
Speaker 2: past Day one. You're not getting many immediate contributors. Patriots
Speaker 2: do have Chucsokoro four, who I think could play left
Speaker 2: tackle for them. Solid starter, he's got experience, he's a
Speaker 2: solid pass protector, some nastiness as a run blocker, but
Speaker 2: not great. But again, that offensive tackle spot I think
Speaker 2: you want to address early because the rest of the
Speaker 2: guys are more developmental, although there is good depth.
Speaker 3: Now what I want them to.
Speaker 2: Do, Drake May all the way, baby, I have been
Speaker 2: driving that ship. I understand the bus potential is there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I don't want to pretend it's, you know, guaranteed Pro
Speaker 2: Bowl starter or anything like that, but the upside and
Speaker 2: the number of times you see, even in spite of
Speaker 2: some of his you know, poor footwork and sometimes he
Speaker 2: doesn't really play on time consistently, he makes up for
Speaker 2: it with arm talent, the athleticism and then just kind
Speaker 2: of the natural feel that you'll see poke out of
Speaker 2: his game here and there. So I'm really about Drake May.
Speaker 2: I don't want them to trade out, even if it
Speaker 2: is Jayden Daniels. I think he's super talented. But yeah,
Speaker 2: if they like the quarterbacks, I think they're gonna stay put.
Speaker 2: But if they're not so sure, I think we could
Speaker 2: see them probably trade out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the way you described Drake May's
Speaker 1: game right there is basically akin to what I thought
Speaker 1: of Jordan Love coming out of Josh Allen coming out
Speaker 1: of Justin Herbert coming out who had some kind of
Speaker 1: shoddy college tape as well before he became the quarterback
Speaker 1: that he is now. So it's like, do you it's
Speaker 1: such a tough discussion to have for a team, I'm
Speaker 1: sure because you don't plan on being up here again ever,
Speaker 1: right especially under this current regimenists going back into this
Speaker 1: for the first time with Gerardmeo, like you mentioned, you
Speaker 1: don't want to be in the spot again. So if
Speaker 1: you take the Godfather Hall, then where does the quarterback
Speaker 1: come from? Because we saw the Patriots take a first
Speaker 1: round quarterback mid round and it was what mac was
Speaker 1: the fifth quarterback off the board that year. You kind
Speaker 1: of limit your upside potential there, So I get the
Speaker 1: idea of doing that. And speaking of the Godfather Hall,
Speaker 1: I mean, Dolphins fans know all about that. I mean
Speaker 1: the Laramie Tunnel trade was the main branch of Jalen Waddell,
Speaker 1: of Javon holland of Tyreek Hill of Brown, Like, we
Speaker 1: got so many good players off of that one trade.
Speaker 1: So it's a really difficult balance there. Now, you didn't
Speaker 1: mention the receivers, which I'm glad you didn't because I
Speaker 1: want to ask you about this because let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and pivot into the actual topic of the podcast here
Speaker 1: today and the draft wide receivers. If the Patriots want
Speaker 1: to really talk all of us and not take the
Speaker 1: Godfather Hall and not take the quarterback, I would have
Speaker 1: to imagine it would be one of the top three receivers.
Speaker 1: How do you stack those guys? Where do you like
Speaker 1: Rome and neighbors in order.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's kind of a flavor thing. Now.
Speaker 2: I do think that Rome just barely misses out on
Speaker 2: that true top tier because Marvin Irrison Junior, it's almost
Speaker 2: boring to talk about him because it's like, yeah, he's
Speaker 2: good at everything you can kind.
Speaker 3: Of just that's guaranteed.
Speaker 2: The one thing that he doesn't have that really kind
Speaker 2: of stands out is the yards after catchability that some
Speaker 2: of these other guys have. But really, when you look
Speaker 2: at the rest of his game, it's not that big
Speaker 2: of a deal. He can separate, he can win at
Speaker 2: the catchpoint when he doesn't separate.
Speaker 3: He's a big play machine. He has all these things.
Speaker 2: But then you look at a guy like Neighbors, where
Speaker 2: he isn't as refined, probably early on in his career,
Speaker 2: you don't really want him on the line of scrimmage
Speaker 2: having to deal with that press coverage, and he's not
Speaker 2: the most refined route runner, like him and mhha are
Speaker 2: in totally different categories in that department. But you look
Speaker 2: at the upside with Neighbors, the explosiveness, the ball skills,
Speaker 2: the flashes of route warning where you see this guy's
Speaker 2: a crazy athlete, Like if we can teach him more
Speaker 2: expansive route tree, he's going to be very difficult to cover,
Speaker 2: especially if he kind of refines his ability versus press.
Speaker 2: So I think has the higher upside there. But Marvin
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior, I mean, you want to talk about floor,
Speaker 2: maybe the highest floor that we've seen in a very
Speaker 2: long time with you know, there's probably room to grow
Speaker 2: as well once he actually enters the pros and refines
Speaker 2: his game even further.
Speaker 3: That said, Roma Dunze.
Speaker 2: I put him like a beg above jack of all trades,
Speaker 2: because I feel like that's disrespectful. It makes it sound
Speaker 2: like he's decent and everything. I think he's above average
Speaker 2: and everything. He's not crazy explosive, not the biggest guy
Speaker 2: or the best rout runner necessarily, but he's really good
Speaker 2: at all those things and he really scares defenses. Like
Speaker 2: I was watching the podcast that boutleg Football did with
Speaker 2: Matt Harmon and they're talking about how with Rome, I mean,
Speaker 2: they give him back shoulder fades all day because they're
Speaker 2: scared of him going over the top. And the fact
Speaker 2: that you have to respect him so much. But he
Speaker 2: can also you know, kick inside, he can play the
Speaker 2: z X. He's got that versatility and the size kind
Speaker 2: of like an MMHJA Neighbors hybrid where he gives you
Speaker 2: so many of those things that you look for. So
Speaker 2: I with Neighbors and Harrison, I think they're in the
Speaker 2: same kind of bracket. It's what do you want the
Speaker 2: up do you want the guy who's guaranteed to be
Speaker 2: an annual pro bowler? And then Roma Duonsa is right
Speaker 2: under them as a guy who's just so good at everything,
Speaker 2: so talented, but doesn't have quite the ceiling I think
Speaker 2: as the other guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one of the worst terms and just
Speaker 1: humanity right now is alpha male. Like it's so overused
Speaker 1: and overplayed, but gosh, when I watched Roma Dunzey play,
Speaker 1: he is the ultimate alpha receiver man, like that ball
Speaker 1: is his when it's in the air. I watched the
Speaker 1: Apple Cup this year, Go Kougs and the Kugs would
Speaker 1: have won that game convincingly if it wasn't for Romadonsay
Speaker 1: being Roma dunes In. So I kind of hold him
Speaker 1: in a negative regard in that sense because he beat
Speaker 1: my Kugs and what was kind of the last Apple
Speaker 1: Cup of all time in my opinion. That's another point
Speaker 1: for another day, doesn't Marvin Harrison Junior kinda remind you
Speaker 1: of his dad, like the way you described him right there,
Speaker 1: Like we knew yet. They have good speed, their great separators,
Speaker 1: but like just they just get open and catch the football, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's what they do best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of funny because you got like two
Speaker 2: guys who are the son of sons of Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame receivers.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: You got Brendan Rice later in the draft, But he's
Speaker 2: a different receiver than his dad. It's not quite as smooth,
Speaker 2: but he's really physical, not the same caliber of athlete.
Speaker 3: But like you said, MHJ, like that Junior.
Speaker 2: Makes a whole lot of sense because the profiles are
Speaker 2: so similar and you just don't see a receiver that age,
Speaker 2: or really a college receiver's period who have the physical
Speaker 2: talent and the refinement that he comes with where it's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense. Like him and his
Speaker 2: dad probably talk a lot of ball because the attention
Speaker 2: to detail that you see from him, where he's really
Speaker 2: maximizing the physical traits that he has crazy impressive to
Speaker 2: watch and I'm not one to I don't think the
Speaker 2: Patriots can afford to pick a receiver that early, because
Speaker 2: I think you either get the quarterback or again, tackle
Speaker 2: is just like it's like hurricane insurance. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not the sexiest investment, but you know when those storms
Speaker 2: come knocking, it makes a whole lot of sense and
Speaker 2: you're happy you got it. But I mean, if they
Speaker 2: even had one of those things covered, I loved you
Speaker 2: to say, hey, get Marvin Irrison Junior and know you're
Speaker 2: getting an excellent player. Although I suspect if they did
Speaker 2: go receiver, just hypothetically, I think they'd want to go
Speaker 2: with neighbors upside.
Speaker 1: If there's one thing that Marvin Harrison Junr. Can do
Speaker 1: to even improve his draft stock, for me, it's a
Speaker 1: go with the pencil mustache that his father had. That
Speaker 1: thing was so legit and so professional. He would just
Speaker 1: cook you up and then look back you like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just did that. So I think he could follow
Speaker 1: those footsteps quite easily. What about who's next, Taylor? Because
Speaker 1: those are the top three, They're all going to be
Speaker 1: top ten picks in my opinion, like without even a
Speaker 1: question there. But the Dolphins could be in the receiver
Speaker 1: market when this podcast comes out. Who knows who the
Speaker 1: number three receiver is right now as we talk to
Speaker 1: as I talk to you, it's Tyreek and Waddle. Then
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens after that. But the Dolphins could
Speaker 1: be in the receiver market at pick twenty one. It's possible.
Speaker 1: Who do you think it is the next guy?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas? Is a Xavier? Like get like what a
Speaker 1: fun tapes that he is? By the way, who do
Speaker 1: you think is next? After the Big three, Marv Neighbors
Speaker 1: and a Donze?
Speaker 2: I think if you're looking at just like talent, I
Speaker 2: think Brian Thomas it's kind of hard to ignore another
Speaker 2: guy where he's not the most refined skill set the explosiveness,
Speaker 2: the vertical ability, that size, speed combination where you just
Speaker 2: don't find it very often.
Speaker 3: He's a tough guy to ignore.
Speaker 2: So again, if you're looking at upside where it's kind
Speaker 2: of like Neighbors, you're gonna need to work on them,
Speaker 2: but they're gonna be immediate contributors and they've got all
Speaker 2: the tools that you're looking for. I think he got
Speaker 2: to kind of put him at that next spot under
Speaker 2: a But then I look at ad Mitchell now I
Speaker 2: think he's kind of been put under a microscope more
Speaker 2: because there's inconsistent effort where sometimes people say, you know,
Speaker 2: he takes plays off and he doesn't run the routes
Speaker 2: one hundred percent if he's not one of the main targets.
Speaker 3: Now, he did say at the combine that he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't always like to run his routes full speed, and frankly,
Speaker 2: you can tell where with his route running he does
Speaker 2: have times real kind of like slowly walk up to
Speaker 2: the defender and then he changes his pace so much
Speaker 2: that he'll be receipt He'll beat defenders twice if he's
Speaker 2: running a double move where the first one he gets
Speaker 2: wide open and then he gets wide open again and
Speaker 2: it's crazy to watch. So with his skill set, I
Speaker 2: think he's a bit more refined. You know, both those
Speaker 2: guys Thomas and Mitchell, he didn't see a ton after
Speaker 2: that catch from them, but you do see that vertical explosiveness,
Speaker 2: and with Thomas, I think they can both be using
Speaker 2: that Z role. I like Mitchell a bit more, to
Speaker 2: be honest, But again, if you're looking at that upside,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's kind of similar where ad with
Speaker 2: the route running like he's on put him at X
Speaker 2: one on one let him thrive not as great against Sown,
Speaker 2: but again, I really think he's good in those man situations,
Speaker 2: whether it's horizontally or vertically. But I think Brian Thomas
Speaker 2: right now is probably better. It is more of a
Speaker 2: vertical guy, and then you want to work out and
Speaker 2: round the rest of his game, although he can be
Speaker 2: very good on like those slants and hitches as well,
Speaker 2: so not one dimensional, but you know, again, I think
Speaker 2: it's that deep element of his game that really stands out.
Speaker 2: So Thomas and then ad Mitchell for me in the
Speaker 2: same kind of category.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great, great look for the Dolphins there,
Speaker 1: because if they can find a third vertical threat that
Speaker 1: could run it from the perimeter, which I think is
Speaker 1: where the Odell Beckham interest comes into play. If you
Speaker 1: can get that vertical threat on the perimeter, that puts
Speaker 1: Reagan Waddle inside man and from there, those guys are
Speaker 1: so dangerous and you just have so many options with
Speaker 1: how you can attack teams. So I know it's kind
Speaker 1: of silly for Dolphins fans to be like, we want
Speaker 1: more receivers, but we kind of do want more receivers
Speaker 1: here to just maximize the offense weapons we have currently.
Speaker 1: Under two talking about Lowe and Mike McDaniel. Speaking of that,
Speaker 1: you mentioned ad Mitchell, you mentioned Brian Thomas, Mitchell has
Speaker 1: a teammate, and Xavier' Worthy that Dolphins fans are very
Speaker 1: excited about his potential, the four to two one speed.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's in your second round category there, because I
Speaker 1: think for the Patriots standpoint, you know, if you do
Speaker 1: go quarterback at three, I think that pick in the
Speaker 1: early second round could easily be a wide receiver. Give
Speaker 1: me someone that you like in that second round and
Speaker 1: if you could, Taylor, if you could, who do you
Speaker 1: think would best fit the McDaniel, the Shanahan, the McVeigh,
Speaker 1: the lafleur. Who fits this Dolphins system the best? Do
Speaker 1: you think that in that second round?
Speaker 3: Range kind of already said him.
Speaker 2: I think it's Xavier Worthy, And honestly, I think Worthy
Speaker 2: is a first round pick.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now, he lacks the size and that's the big
Speaker 3: thing right there.
Speaker 2: But I mean the Dolphins are doing pretty well without
Speaker 2: a lot of big body playmakers, so I think they're
Speaker 2: going to be okay in that department. And when you
Speaker 2: look at Worthy won the speed where you have to
Speaker 2: know where he is on every single play. He's so dangerous.
Speaker 2: He can take the top off, he can be that
Speaker 2: yards after catch guy not as consistent in that department,
Speaker 2: but the ability is definitely there. And another thing about
Speaker 2: his game, We're watching him and looking at his size,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, Okay, he's probably not going to be great
Speaker 2: at the catch point. You know, probably goes down after
Speaker 2: first contact easily. That wasn't really the case. His ball skills, concentration,
Speaker 2: toughness at the catch point, and tracking really impressive. Where
Speaker 2: you know, Tyreek Hill different because I think xader Worthy
Speaker 2: kind of is small, whereas Tyreek is short.
Speaker 3: He's not small like that guy's huge.
Speaker 2: But he even mentioned early on in his career there
Speaker 2: were certain things that he wasn't asked to do because
Speaker 2: he wasn't really that six ' one sixty three kind
Speaker 2: of guy. But xader Worthy, because of how he can
Speaker 2: win at the catch point, I think he can be
Speaker 2: a legitimate three level threat. He's so dangerous on crossing routes,
Speaker 2: especially where he knows how to lean into defenders kind
Speaker 2: of snap off route so we can get that separation.
Speaker 2: I was really impressed. Where there's a lot of guys
Speaker 2: who have speed in this class and honestly more than
Speaker 2: I would have expected who know how to use it
Speaker 2: like Troy Franklin's in that category as well, but Worthy especially,
Speaker 2: he knows how to scare defenders and use his speed
Speaker 2: to his advantage get himself open. He's a guy where
Speaker 2: I really would not want to deal with the Dolphins
Speaker 2: condensed formations. Knowing that Worthy, Waddle and Hill are all
Speaker 2: on the field together, That's just too much speed to
Speaker 2: account for on every play.
Speaker 3: We've already seen what that can do to defenses.
Speaker 2: So if you're talking about guys where I really don't
Speaker 2: want to see them on the Dolphins aighty Mitchell. I
Speaker 2: think he'd round out that receiving qual really well because
Speaker 2: he is that exit they've kind of been missing. But
Speaker 2: I mean, Xavier Worthy would scare me a bit more
Speaker 2: just because that's too much blinding speed.
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned Tyreek's build because I care if
Speaker 1: it's this podcast. I've tape a few podcasts ahead of time.
Speaker 1: It's either this one of the next one that comes out.
Speaker 1: I mentioned how Christian Haynes, the guard at Yukon, that
Speaker 1: I love his game. I feel like he has Tyreek legs,
Speaker 1: but in an offensive Lineman's body, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of funny that you made that comparison there,
Speaker 1: because ty like dude when you watch Tyreek out here
Speaker 1: in practice, like he wears the you know, the short shorts,
Speaker 1: and just like dude, he's built different. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a funny phrase to say, but he is absolutely built
Speaker 1: different and just the I mean the makeup of his body.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. That makes sense why he's so fast and explosive.
Speaker 1: I know you're dying to get to this last one here.
Speaker 1: I have a name that I want. I'm gonna save
Speaker 1: it in my head, and if you mention his name,
Speaker 1: I'll let you know if you've got it right or wrong.
Speaker 1: Not wrong, but just if he said the name, you're
Speaker 1: sleepers right. Because Miami goes from pick fifty five and
Speaker 1: doesn't pick again until pick one fifty eight in the
Speaker 1: fifth round. I'm curious, who are some Day three sleepers
Speaker 1: you like? And if you could try to find a
Speaker 1: way to mold it into dolphins fits because you just
Speaker 1: talked about guys in the speed element, the outside vertical threat.
Speaker 1: We love those. Give me some sleepers and Day three
Speaker 1: for you, Taylor, so.
Speaker 2: One that I really like is bub means Now he's
Speaker 2: again if we're talking about that X guy who kind
Speaker 2: of round out your receiving corp. I don't think he
Speaker 2: kind of fits the Dolphins in terms of like everybody
Speaker 2: is just so fast and it's a track team, but
Speaker 2: he does have good build up speed and one thing
Speaker 2: where to build up that speed really the biggest impediment
Speaker 2: to that is good press coverage.
Speaker 3: I think he does a really good job.
Speaker 2: One he's got good size, he's got long arms, and
Speaker 2: he does a good job kind of making sure that
Speaker 2: defenders don't stay on his body there. So that's where
Speaker 2: he kind of gets the track for that build up speed.
Speaker 2: If you want to give him the ball in space,
Speaker 2: I think if he gets that runway, he can be
Speaker 2: pretty dangerous. But I think he offers one the vertical
Speaker 2: ability but also the size that I think this receiving
Speaker 2: core could really use. So he's one guy that I
Speaker 2: really like. Malik Washington. That's another one where just his
Speaker 2: ability after they catch really good football player doesn't get
Speaker 2: a lot of talk. Like he's at the Shrine Bowl. Obviously,
Speaker 2: everybody talks about the Senior Bowl. There's not as much
Speaker 2: coverage for the Shrine Bowl, but he really shined. I
Speaker 2: love his ball skills smaller guys, so yeah, he'd fit
Speaker 2: into that Miami receiving core in that respect, and again
Speaker 2: doesn't have blazing speed, but I really do think with
Speaker 2: his toughness, his physicality after the catch, I really like
Speaker 2: his fit. And another guy, Anthony Gould. Now this is
Speaker 2: someone who, again not the biggest guy in the world,
Speaker 2: but if you look at yards per route run in
Speaker 2: this draft class against man coverage, it's xavierly Get and
Speaker 2: then it's Anthony Gould. He's someone where we're six feet
Speaker 2: tall and had a bigger frame, you'd be talking about
Speaker 2: him as like a first round, second round pick because
Speaker 2: he's a really good route runner. He's tough at the
Speaker 2: catch point, outstanding after the catch. A dude has legit speed.
Speaker 2: I don't think the Patriots are gonna get him because
Speaker 2: they typically like those bigger bodied guys, but I really
Speaker 2: hope if he's around kind of later on Day three
Speaker 2: they invest in him because the size is admittedly concerning,
Speaker 2: but he plays bigger than that and just has a
Speaker 2: really well rounded skill set that you don't see in
Speaker 2: the area that he's probably gonna be.
Speaker 1: Taken really good. And it was Malik Washington, by the way,
Speaker 1: So you hit the nail the head there. I had
Speaker 1: another guy I thought you might say was Jamari Thrash,
Speaker 1: but this you got. You got Malik, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: just go ahead and call that good. There, Taylor, you
Speaker 1: said it all man, the Patriots beat reporter and analysts
Speaker 1: for Patriots c LNS formerly Next Gen Stats at T
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Speaker 1: the folks what you're working on. Where they can find
Speaker 1: your stuff right now.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you always, buddy, thank you for having me. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of draft stuff. Next week, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have a ton of guests on the Patriots Press Pass,
Speaker 2: my show Pat's Daily. We're gonna be doing a lot
Speaker 2: of quarterback, wide receiver, and offensive line work work.
Speaker 3: Those are the big positions to meet for the Patriots,
Speaker 3: so we're diving into that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to get another mock draft out where,
Speaker 2: you know, mock draft, it's fun to keep picking the
Speaker 2: same players, but go with different guys, different trade scenarios
Speaker 2: to see what could potentially happen.
Speaker 3: Get a more well rounded view of.
Speaker 2: The possibility, So yeah, stay tuned for that in trav
Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure, buddy.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you bet, man. I'm actually proud of myself. I
Speaker 1: did my first mock draft the other day. I think
Speaker 1: I kind of got away from mock drafts because we
Speaker 1: haven't had a first round pick in a couple of years.
Speaker 1: So now I'm kind of getting back into the idea
Speaker 1: of it. But yeah, happy to have you man anytime,
Speaker 1: and thank you again for doing it, and away he goes.
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