Speaker 1: It's four five am in Humboldt County and you're listening tonight.
Speaker 1: Call Welcome Tonight, Call a podcast for your rain soaked
Speaker 1: days and moon soaked nights. I'm Molly Lambert and joining
Speaker 1: me here in Los Angeles is Test Lynch. And guess
Speaker 1: what That's all you get? That is it? That's what
Speaker 1: you get. Emily Yoshida is in the snow at Sundance.
Speaker 1: She's been doing some really good reporting from Sundance on
Speaker 1: all the movies she liked. I'm just picturing her waist
Speaker 1: deep in snow, trudging between weird branded opportunities. You have
Speaker 1: to fill in the gaps because she hasn't been giving
Speaker 1: us that visual content. It's true. I feel I feel
Speaker 1: like maybe she's also Emily is a connoisseur of bad
Speaker 1: branded experiences, but I feel like maybe she's she's taken
Speaker 1: taking a step back this year from the branded experience branded,
Speaker 1: from the full immersion of the the nightmare world. I'm
Speaker 1: excited for when she gets back and we can grill
Speaker 1: her on everything that is no longer embargoed. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: were going to talk today about a documentary called Murder
Speaker 1: Mountain on Netflix. After disparaging true crime documentaries on streaming services.
Speaker 1: We're going to just talk about one the whole time.
Speaker 1: We shan't disparage today. We ant disparage because we both
Speaker 1: loved Murder Mountain. I watched the whole thing and testes
Speaker 1: halfway through. And then we're going to talk about the
Speaker 1: madness caused by the sea, which is related to space madness,
Speaker 1: which I think we've kind of touched on before, but
Speaker 1: I got super into the idea of c madness and
Speaker 1: now I know when someone asked if I would rather
Speaker 1: go to the bottom of the ocean or two outer space,
Speaker 1: the answer is no longer so clear cut. It's a
Speaker 1: deep investigation coming up. It's a deep dive. It's a
Speaker 1: deep can you tell how silly we're feeling? Very Then
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about food trends. Yeah, what's what's
Speaker 1: on the way out and what's on It's called food Moods.
Speaker 1: It's a new segment we're debuting today, What's on the
Speaker 1: way out and what's on the way in. Uh, let's
Speaker 1: start with Murder Mountain. Okay, So I am going to
Speaker 1: go ahead and say that so far I'm enjoying Murder
Speaker 1: Mountain more than I did the Sun Yahson documentary, which
Speaker 1: I just referenced last week. I believe when we were
Speaker 1: talking about if you can leave um cooked dumplings out
Speaker 1: for hours an hour right, and you said we can't
Speaker 1: get well, I'm the only person who's concerned. I've had
Speaker 1: food poisoning. It's not pleasant. But also you don't want
Speaker 1: to eat a cold dumpling. Yes, but Test has been
Speaker 1: concerned about serving food at our live show was that
Speaker 1: it might give people salmonella, and then we would be
Speaker 1: didn't specifically say salmonella, we did say food poisoning. They're
Speaker 1: very different, like Sheila from giving people that's the thing,
Speaker 1: but she did it on purpose. We would be doing
Speaker 1: it accidentally. We're not going to do it because I
Speaker 1: put my foot down and I was like, only having
Speaker 1: Boston cream pie or cake or something that's shelf stable.
Speaker 1: It's crazy that you think Boston cream pie is shelf stable.
Speaker 1: It is because if you put enough sugar in something,
Speaker 1: it actually acts as a preservative for milk. No, it's
Speaker 1: for real, because think about things like think about you know,
Speaker 1: baked goods that sit out. I think it like muffins.
Speaker 1: It is weird that the sugar acts as a preserve it.
Speaker 1: You can't do it forever, but you could do it
Speaker 1: for good twenty four hours. This is a great introduction
Speaker 1: to Murder Mountain because what makes Murder Mountain a great
Speaker 1: documentary is that it is about a variety of people
Speaker 1: who live in Humboldt, California, the weed growing capital of
Speaker 1: the world, maybe America at least. But it's very rambly
Speaker 1: and stony and features a wide variety of niche California
Speaker 1: dirtbag archetypes. I heard about this documentary from Willie Staley
Speaker 1: of New York Times fame and my brother Ben Lambert
Speaker 1: of Lambo Lambo Fame. My brother told me to watch
Speaker 1: it because he was like, gets a true crime documentary,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't really get to the point very much,
Speaker 1: but in a way and if they really have a
Speaker 1: more compelling ambiance than I used to with such rambling stories.
Speaker 1: It's very rambling in everybody who's interviewed, well, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of old hippies getting interviewed. First, for instance, Douglas
Speaker 1: for yes, there's a gentleman named Douglas. For it is
Speaker 1: about the story of how Humble became the weed capital,
Speaker 1: and the story is essentially like a bunch of hippies
Speaker 1: moved there as part of the back to the Land
Speaker 1: movement in the seventies and built a nonagone shaped building,
Speaker 1: a nine sided building. For some reason that has not
Speaker 1: made clear. They were like, it had to be a
Speaker 1: nine time. We all built it together. We built it
Speaker 1: naked while wearing I was saying, there's like a bunch
Speaker 1: of photos of just like naked hippies. It seems like
Speaker 1: a very chill atmosphere that could not last because then
Speaker 1: the money started rolling in. Well, I mean it's a
Speaker 1: multilayered story because I think there's a certain type of
Speaker 1: man who ages to look exactly like Stephen King does
Speaker 1: now where it's like, you know, it's just the untamed eyebrows,
Speaker 1: the untamed ear hair. It's just a very fuzzy caterpillar
Speaker 1: looking man. I'm very fond of this archetype. Everybody was
Speaker 1: seemed very chill from the old guard. I mean that
Speaker 1: is again maybe Test and I are the boomers at
Speaker 1: heart of this podcast for but we were like very
Speaker 1: enchanted by the old hippie whose name was Douglas for
Speaker 1: Douglas for and then his friend whose name I forget,
Speaker 1: but Douglas Fur was the most charming Douglas for was
Speaker 1: the drug smuggler who went He went to Pakistan. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, and he got the seeds and they were
Speaker 1: sewn into garments and little like jewelry bags and stuff
Speaker 1: and brought back. But I think all of the old
Speaker 1: hippies kind of make the distinction of we weren't criminals,
Speaker 1: we were outlaws, like we just wanted to be self
Speaker 1: sufficient and we just needed to like grow what we
Speaker 1: needed and what we really really needed, what kind of
Speaker 1: starts in the way, like wild wild country starts start.
Speaker 1: It's like we just like we were rejecting society and
Speaker 1: we had to start our own society. But I could
Speaker 1: totally understand where they were coming from much more easily
Speaker 1: joined them back to the land movement immediately and just
Speaker 1: like build nine sided buildings naked with a bunch of comrades,
Speaker 1: It seems fun, grow your own food. And then they
Speaker 1: were like, oh and yes, we'd also one of ours,
Speaker 1: a staple of ours. I mean. Also, I think they
Speaker 1: made kind of a good case for the fact that
Speaker 1: a lot of people had served in Vietnam came back
Speaker 1: and really didn't feel at home. In society, but we're
Speaker 1: kind of just like peaceful, wanted to live in a community,
Speaker 1: and they were able to find this like understanding community
Speaker 1: and then of course everything imploded with the War on drugs. Right,
Speaker 1: It's like the idea of the first preppers of people
Speaker 1: being like, let's go be self sufficient and like live
Speaker 1: off the land, and seemingly it went fun for a
Speaker 1: little bit and then yeah, the War on drugs comes in. UM.
Speaker 1: I was saying, this is a lot like the there's
Speaker 1: the Thomas Pynchon book Vineland is kind of about some
Speaker 1: of this stuff. Uh, this was a great California documentary, everybody.
Speaker 1: It's also about like so it's a true crime documentary. Technically,
Speaker 1: the true crime element is the fact that so in
Speaker 1: the Emerald Triangle, which is this um specific area of
Speaker 1: Humboldt County in the southern part, there is I forget
Speaker 1: what it's actually called, but all of the locals refer
Speaker 1: to it as Murder Mountain because I mean, first of all,
Speaker 1: the geography makes it really impossible to kind of you know,
Speaker 1: find people who have been lost, and also people will
Speaker 1: come up for the harvest season and they already are
Speaker 1: kind of like drifters a lot of the time. It
Speaker 1: starts with that that there's like an economy of drifters
Speaker 1: coming in and out to trim weed because it's like
Speaker 1: a job you can take and like theoretically make a
Speaker 1: bunch of money in a year or summer or whatever.
Speaker 1: But Murder Mountain also has a really heavy like criminal component,
Speaker 1: and everybody's armed, and there are these guys on a
Speaker 1: TV is with you know, their own guns. Even when
Speaker 1: when the police come up to Murder Mountain, um, these
Speaker 1: like they're almost like security for Murder Mountain will kind
Speaker 1: of escort the police, and the police were like, no thanks.
Speaker 1: So the police hate going up there. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like this lawless area. Um. But it was interesting
Speaker 1: because when they interviewed some of the residents, like a
Speaker 1: lot of the missing person's posters are put up by parents,
Speaker 1: and like a lot of the people who live up
Speaker 1: a Murder Mountain our parents. So these two moms were like, oh,
Speaker 1: hell no, we're gone. That is the true crime element
Speaker 1: of Murder Mountain is a kid who went from San
Speaker 1: Diego Ocean Beach Ocean Beach, And it's also like this
Speaker 1: was very tragic, but also like interesting because so many
Speaker 1: true crime documentaries are about missing women, you know, where
Speaker 1: you see a million pictures of them and maybe some
Speaker 1: like video footage, but you never hear their voice. And
Speaker 1: that was like this but with the dude, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't very I was like, oh, I'm so unused to this,
Speaker 1: Like I kept waiting to be like, what is this
Speaker 1: guy like? And then it was just like he was
Speaker 1: just a chill, so cow bro. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it sounds like he wasn't like perfect, but not not
Speaker 1: that anyone needs to, but he was so San Diego
Speaker 1: and whenever they showed footage of him, for all the
Speaker 1: stuff they had where there was like a tribute to
Speaker 1: him and it was like a Sublime cover band. It
Speaker 1: was all very Sublime. And so that was funny to me,
Speaker 1: just because it was not like funny that you abductive,
Speaker 1: but funny. But like there was all this stuff about
Speaker 1: the nor Caw like so called divide know where they
Speaker 1: were like he didn't understand the culture around here. Ye. Well.
Speaker 1: Also it should be noted that Humboldt County, I think
Speaker 1: has a higher percentage of missing people than anywhere else
Speaker 1: thinks that's what they say. Also They're like, people come
Speaker 1: through all the time, and people go missing all the time,
Speaker 1: so it's very hard if you're like pursuing a specific
Speaker 1: missing person. They were just like and it's like a
Speaker 1: pretty small place, so they only have a sheriff anything.
Speaker 1: The department is overextended or whatever. But this documentary also
Speaker 1: ends up being about the fallibility of the police and
Speaker 1: I got to go to the private investigator. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: about how the cops don't do anything to help. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And also, I mean the divide between the police and
Speaker 1: the residents is very it's obviously pretty intense. I mean
Speaker 1: they also showed a town hall where now the people
Speaker 1: have been harvesting weed on the black market, are trying
Speaker 1: to go legit, and it's just cripplingly expensive. They're all
Speaker 1: losing all of their savings, and they're doing it because
Speaker 1: they want to be able to not feel as though they're,
Speaker 1: you know, living under this threat that they're constantly going
Speaker 1: to be exposed and sent to prison or whatever. But
Speaker 1: it's so prohibitively expensive that they're just risking kind of
Speaker 1: everything they have. And I think the police have this
Speaker 1: animosity towards people who are in any way involved in
Speaker 1: the black market. So they were super dismissive of this
Speaker 1: guy's dad. They didn't want to help at all, so
Speaker 1: he had to go to a private investigator, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, quick pause, Molly, would you ever be a
Speaker 1: private investigator? Oh? I think we fantasized about this every day.
Speaker 1: I think about it all the time. I call is
Speaker 1: a p I firm. Would you drive around? They would
Speaker 1: be like the private investigators. She is great because that's
Speaker 1: what happens is then like a cool lady who wants
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of things coming. It's just
Speaker 1: a great assortment of characters. It's like a big ensemble,
Speaker 1: which I enjoy. I loved it. I'm also I usually like,
Speaker 1: don't admit this, but I've never been to northern California. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, I'm really been into Northern California.
Speaker 1: I've been. I've been to Napa and that's it. It does.
Speaker 1: But it was like brief. I mean, it was super brief.
Speaker 1: I'm so deeply ashamed now. I just and I've been
Speaker 1: to Big sir, but I've never like really spent any
Speaker 1: I mean I've been here for however many years, been
Speaker 1: to San Francisco. Yeah, Okay, I'm dancing around never to
Speaker 1: San Francisco. But I've also I never like spent any
Speaker 1: like large chunk of time. I mean when I went
Speaker 1: to Big Sir, it was for my honeymoon. So I
Speaker 1: just kind of like planted myself in a hotel and
Speaker 1: was like big trees. Right, I did, But it's like
Speaker 1: I took one walk, you know what I mean. Looking back,
Speaker 1: I have these pictures and I was like, there's that
Speaker 1: on her honeymoon. She's like, I kind of get back
Speaker 1: to work. Wait, I started remember this happening to you.
Speaker 1: There were I have pictures on my computer. Somehow you
Speaker 1: had a problem being off the grid. It's such a
Speaker 1: huge problem being off the grid. I mean, it's it really.
Speaker 1: That's what this documentary really kind of drove home for
Speaker 1: me on a personal level was I was like, man,
Speaker 1: look at them like they're just of the land. Like
Speaker 1: when I was out in that same beautiful, majestic forest,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, I mean, they're not
Speaker 1: of the land, because well that's what they get to.
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, then they get to like
Speaker 1: it's being legalized, which is what is so weird is
Speaker 1: then they're like now it's like this entire industry that's
Speaker 1: thrived because it's like an outlaw industry is gonna go legit.
Speaker 1: And there's like the split between the people that embrace
Speaker 1: legalization and the people that are like it's rigged, Like
Speaker 1: we got to keep selling it on the black market
Speaker 1: to the rest of the states that don't have legalized
Speaker 1: weeds still and we can sell them weed. People say
Speaker 1: the word outlaw more than I've ever heard. They say
Speaker 1: outlaw and vigilante. Every other word out of everyone's mouth
Speaker 1: is like you got to be an outlaw up here.
Speaker 1: But it's like the Waylon Jennings kind of outlaw. It's
Speaker 1: not like the outlaw. It's a real like Boomrie outlaw
Speaker 1: that they are talking about, and that's like that's the
Speaker 1: first thing that happens. It's like, so the hippies who
Speaker 1: like founded the commune and created the weed growing economy
Speaker 1: get forced out by the like once there's money involved,
Speaker 1: they get forced out by sort of like scary drug dealers.
Speaker 1: I saw my dad about this documentary and he was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I knew a woman who like moved to Mendocino or
Speaker 1: whatever to to grow weed on a weed farm and
Speaker 1: then left because she was like everybody had to sleep
Speaker 1: with a shotgun at night. Yeah, And I mean that's
Speaker 1: the other really crazy thing about this documentary is they go,
Speaker 1: is it uh a guy whose last name is Dookie
Speaker 1: do brothers? Okay, So yeah, there's a secondary storyline about
Speaker 1: a guy who is like this horrible part of there's
Speaker 1: like the new generation of weed growers are like the worst. Yeah,
Speaker 1: California like a TV. Maybe it'll be charming later, t bros. No,
Speaker 1: it's so bad because that guy they introduced him and
Speaker 1: then he immediately is a dick to like these workers. Well,
Speaker 1: he takes eight bond rips, he has three cups of
Speaker 1: came meal T. He's talking about how professional he is.
Speaker 1: Then his workers come with just a new businessman like here,
Speaker 1: I am selling my product that is wed. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have to drink came meal T and take on my
Speaker 1: bad rips. Yeah, and then the workers come in. One
Speaker 1: second later, the workers arrive. Absolutely, he's not the professional
Speaker 1: camemeal drinker. He pretends he's a total dick to them.
Speaker 1: And he's a white guy, and he's a dick to
Speaker 1: these like migrant farm workers and you're like you need
Speaker 1: to so they're pretty justified when they throw a rock
Speaker 1: through his window. Yeah, So then he's like a second later.
Speaker 1: That's also like, that's a great part of the documentary
Speaker 1: because it's very relatable seeing somebody who's clearly very stressed
Speaker 1: out be like, I'm going to smoke more weed and
Speaker 1: this will solve the problem. So he does like five more.
Speaker 1: He's like, I guess I better take a big bong
Speaker 1: rip now to chill out. Ha ha, and he like
Speaker 1: does all these bong hits compulsively, and then he just
Speaker 1: makes them more paranoid and weird. And then they throw
Speaker 1: a rock through his window because he blames them for
Speaker 1: his crop getting screwed up, and they're like, it's not
Speaker 1: our fault that like mold grew on your crop, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not paying you anything. It's super gross. So his
Speaker 1: name is like Jeff Dukey. It's it's either Jeff or
Speaker 1: Mike or exactly that kind of thing, and he's like,
Speaker 1: it's the Dukie Brother's weed company. So he is another character.
Speaker 1: And then there are these two women who are just
Speaker 1: like local yokels who seem really cool. One of them
Speaker 1: she died before the documentary was completed. It was made
Speaker 1: so it's her friend talking her name was Sherry, who died,
Speaker 1: and then her friend is kind of talking about how
Speaker 1: um Sherry got interested in the missing person's case and
Speaker 1: kind of took it on herself to go stick in
Speaker 1: her nose where it didn't belong. And they look like
Speaker 1: real like just dust bowl. Love it, love it, like
Speaker 1: those photographs of women in the dust bowl where just
Speaker 1: like people have just been living in, like like their
Speaker 1: mouths are just a line. They all look real craggy.
Speaker 1: We were saying, everybody in this documentary kind of looks
Speaker 1: like a redwood. Do you think it's the altitude. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's also the style. I'm kind of embracing
Speaker 1: that style. The women all looked really cool. There were
Speaker 1: a couple of women they show. There's this one woman
Speaker 1: who's a grower who's so cool. Are you talking about
Speaker 1: pink hair? Yeah, she's so really cool, right, And then
Speaker 1: there was like another woman who they kept showing who
Speaker 1: had kind of like a big sunglasses and oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's the missing person's aunt. She seemed also, I
Speaker 1: was like, what, it's her. A lot of interesting faces,
Speaker 1: just some good like kind of California weird archetypes, and
Speaker 1: then all these bros and like board shorts and valcom hats,
Speaker 1: who are the new generation of weed growers? Do you
Speaker 1: think that in thirty years we'll look back on that
Speaker 1: and be like, look how charming? And I will never
Speaker 1: find it charming and cool because it's like two, yeah,
Speaker 1: it has there's there's something you can't put. I have
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Speaker 1: kind of being in Los Angeles for this wild ride
Speaker 1: of weed legalization. You really cannot know what to feel
Speaker 1: guilty about if you partake in the business of weed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this will make thee This documentary doesn't even really go
Speaker 1: into like it talks about the War on drugs a
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's like it's a pretty white documentary.
Speaker 1: It's of an extreme, extremely white document entering, so they
Speaker 1: don't they don't even talk. It's like some of these
Speaker 1: people being like, oh, yes, we were just outlaws growing
Speaker 1: our weed and like living our lives. It's like, well that. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I felt as though the just how white it was
Speaker 1: kind of told its own story. I felt it was
Speaker 1: intentional of just the threat of what happens to you
Speaker 1: if you're a white person in California getting in trouble
Speaker 1: for weed is very different than yeah, otherwise, it doesn't
Speaker 1: even really go into that. It's just sort of about
Speaker 1: like the specific the specificity of like the humblet weed market,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, yeah, it's all like crazy like
Speaker 1: white meth heads with guns and it's terrifying. It is
Speaker 1: because Dan, that's what they show you. It's like Murder
Speaker 1: Mountain is just like a bunch of crazy, tweaked out
Speaker 1: people with weed farms and shotguns and they talk a
Speaker 1: lot about like everybody's like, oh, here's my gun. Just
Speaker 1: got my gun out, like like somebody shoots somebody later
Speaker 1: on in the documentary spoiler alert, just because they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: he took his gun out like he always does. In
Speaker 1: the other the guy was like tweaking out and thought
Speaker 1: it was a threat, so he shot him in the face.
Speaker 1: And you're like, that probably happens a lot. Everybody's really
Speaker 1: paranoid because they're like trying to grow a crop that
Speaker 1: like if it fails, they're going to go broke. Uh.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of like looting. Also. It is
Speaker 1: very painful to me to see the archival footage of
Speaker 1: the police in the In the I think it was
Speaker 1: three was when they started using helicopters to find the
Speaker 1: farms and the police would just come down and just
Speaker 1: harvest all the weed and lighted on fire and it
Speaker 1: just was so unbearable stupid. Uh. Anyway, good documentary. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I think I also like the war on
Speaker 1: drug stuff again, just to put that stuff in historical contexts,
Speaker 1: especially now that they're like repealing weed or making weed legal,
Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, yeah, but look what also we
Speaker 1: did too people, Oh yeah, sold weed. And so that's
Speaker 1: the thing in the documentary to is sort of like
Speaker 1: the police trying to deal with like, well, now it's legal,
Speaker 1: so we have to help them, and then they're suddenly
Speaker 1: sort of interested in helping solve the case. There was
Speaker 1: at least one ex law enforcement officer who expressed remorse
Speaker 1: about what had happened um during the eighties drug bus
Speaker 1: and like how he had kind of been complicit and
Speaker 1: driving up the cost of weed and like making it
Speaker 1: a really unstable whereas before it had been kind of
Speaker 1: just like this you know, community of farmers who were
Speaker 1: trying to make enough money to live off of, but
Speaker 1: had turned it into this kind of like race of
Speaker 1: just greedy people and this influx of I keep talking
Speaker 1: about the green rush, like the gold rush for weed,
Speaker 1: And they also talked a lot about like all these
Speaker 1: stupid people come through all the time thinking they're gonna
Speaker 1: like make all this money growing weed. And like that's
Speaker 1: who disappears. Yeah, it's a fun a fun ride. It
Speaker 1: is six episodes, but you know it was not a
Speaker 1: fun ride. What I tried to force Molly to read
Speaker 1: this really good essay. It's a little it's from a
Speaker 1: little while ago, but um, I recently came across it.
Speaker 1: I think it was in long form from Outside magaz Seen,
Speaker 1: written by a woman whose father was lost at sea.
Speaker 1: He wanted to take a solo trip that he was
Speaker 1: going from Querto Biarta to the Marquesas, and twenty six
Speaker 1: days into his solo journey, he lost his mind. Is
Speaker 1: what they think happened. Either he lost his mind or
Speaker 1: he was captured by pirates, but he was never found. Um.
Speaker 1: And it's a really really great article. Uh. It's by
Speaker 1: Ali car track cell Um and her dad's boat was
Speaker 1: the celebration. I think that he even his blog from
Speaker 1: when he was like kind of maybe before he set
Speaker 1: off is still online. Um. Scary, you know, I know.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting. He was a retired psychologist and part
Speaker 1: of what's really interesting is her kind of reflection on
Speaker 1: growing up and the fact that she felt as though
Speaker 1: he had he kind of like later in life was
Speaker 1: pretty open about the fact that he had like gone
Speaker 1: after this like white collar career and had the kids
Speaker 1: and had the house, and like he always just really
Speaker 1: wanted to an adventurer. And so finally he got to
Speaker 1: an age where he was like, it's now or never,
Speaker 1: and everyone in his family was kind of like, please
Speaker 1: don't feel it a solo journey of that length. I
Speaker 1: don't even know like how far he planned to go,
Speaker 1: because the whole essages overwhelmed. You have somebody else on
Speaker 1: board who knows how to do that. Yeah, But I
Speaker 1: think the whole point for him was that it was
Speaker 1: like this you know, odyssey that he was gonna like
Speaker 1: really test himself. And he started sending the weird text
Speaker 1: and they're all riddled with misspellings, and they just seemed
Speaker 1: to be leaping all over the place. Being kidnapped by
Speaker 1: film company Deep South Black Cult, took over steering ship, disabled,
Speaker 1: being kidnapped by pirates, and telling you know, sending out
Speaker 1: s O S signals, telling his family to cancel the
Speaker 1: s O S signals. In his log he had talked
Speaker 1: about on previous voyages like how he had hallucinated. So
Speaker 1: then I started looking into this more. There's a good
Speaker 1: Vice article about this guy um named Josh mar She
Speaker 1: was lost at sea off the coast of Manila for
Speaker 1: I think fifty two hours, which like in the scheme
Speaker 1: of things, doesn't seem that long. Like he went through
Speaker 1: it, it it was really really cold. The tour guide jumped
Speaker 1: off the ship and went to swim for help and drowned.
Speaker 1: I guess like his first instinct, Josh's first instinct was
Speaker 1: to drink a bunch of rum and then was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: what have I done? But he had the like hallucinations
Speaker 1: he saw like cars and Marina's. He thought that he
Speaker 1: was approaching a port, so he he like kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to like jump and swim. He thought it was
Speaker 1: close enough, and then he would kind of realize there
Speaker 1: was nothing there. Yeah, I mean, the idea of a
Speaker 1: psychologist going crazy, it's obviously just scary. I've been watching
Speaker 1: a lot of Naked and Afraid, as I may have
Speaker 1: said on this podcast, yes, which I've been saying. It's
Speaker 1: like a great show because it's about people that think
Speaker 1: they'll be good survivalists, and some of them are even
Speaker 1: very experienced survivalists. And every episode I've watched, they're all
Speaker 1: like white people with tribal tattoos, and then they get
Speaker 1: into nature, they are immediately by like day two, they
Speaker 1: start going crazy. It's amazing because it makes you realize
Speaker 1: how fragile well. I think what's interesting about Naked and Afraid,
Speaker 1: especially when compared with one of my favorite shows, Alone,
Speaker 1: which I always talk about and still can't convince anyone
Speaker 1: watch Alone, Well alone as you're alone. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: scarier than Naked and Afraid, where you have a partner.
Speaker 1: I think Alone on one season did something where it
Speaker 1: was to either family members or close friends or whatever,
Speaker 1: and they went and then kind of split off for
Speaker 1: part of it and then got together, and it actually
Speaker 1: seemed much more difficult than when they were completely isolated,
Speaker 1: because I think not having a big group of people
Speaker 1: where you can kind of get a break from someone
Speaker 1: who's driving you nuts, but you know, just having this
Speaker 1: one person, especially on Naked and Afraid, where it's a stranger,
Speaker 1: a person of the opposite sex and you're naked, adds
Speaker 1: a layer of like if you get the willies and
Speaker 1: you just don't like the way someone's relating to you,
Speaker 1: it probably makes you crazy because you just want to
Speaker 1: kill the not literally you're such an only child, you're
Speaker 1: like to be alone in the wood. I would I
Speaker 1: wouldn't rather be alone on a ship. Although when I
Speaker 1: think about if you're on a ship for you know,
Speaker 1: however long twenty days and you're running out a long
Speaker 1: you've ever been on a ship? Like an hour and
Speaker 1: a half? Not long? Have you ever on a cruise? No?
Speaker 1: Has Emily ever done a cruise? I feel like this
Speaker 1: has come up. We must know next it's I've attended
Speaker 1: back in the day when we were working at Grantly,
Speaker 1: and I felt like there were occasional pr emails of
Speaker 1: like some kind of em for a cruise. Again, you're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how David Foster wall is for that exactly, Like
Speaker 1: I can get someone to send me on a cruise.
Speaker 1: What could go wrong? Everything, everything can go wrong. And
Speaker 1: then there was the Poop Cruise, the notorious poop Cruise.
Speaker 1: There have been a lot of really strong someone close
Speaker 1: to me got very ill on a cruise and then
Speaker 1: was on the cruise for like several well that's the deal.
Speaker 1: Several days being very sick and there's like nothing you
Speaker 1: can do because there's not a real doctor on the ship,
Speaker 1: is there not? Waited out. I mean there's like a doctor,
Speaker 1: but like there's not a hospital, Like maybe it's like
Speaker 1: a nurse on the ship. Yeah, you're just kind of
Speaker 1: lanes to be a doctor. Can't go home. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: but I also I've gotten seasick before. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm a very I'm a fragile flower when it
Speaker 1: comes to travel. So maybe just the ocean. You're not
Speaker 1: taken to the ocean. Well, I had no idea how
Speaker 1: quickly you could lose your mind on a boat. That's
Speaker 1: what Naked and Afraid makes me feel, like, it's just
Speaker 1: how quickly you can lose your mind without resources like
Speaker 1: water and food. Obviously, Naked and Afraid was was kind
Speaker 1: of floated with the hook of the people we're gonna
Speaker 1: end up making out because they were maked Initially when
Speaker 1: Naked and Afraid that it was heavily implied naked, they're naked,
Speaker 1: but it's it's cool. De sexualized nudity becomes in those circumstances,
Speaker 1: or like any circumstances, if everybody's naked, it's just sort
Speaker 1: of normal quickly, like at the commune. Man. Yeah, although
Speaker 1: this is obviously different because it's for a reality so
Speaker 1: you're naked on t but you also see like that's
Speaker 1: the thing. Yeah, You're like, is anyone ever going to
Speaker 1: make out? And it's like no, because like sex goes
Speaker 1: down the hierarchy of needs so quickly when you haven't eaten, slept,
Speaker 1: or had any water. And that I guess also would
Speaker 1: happen on a ship. All you would be thinking about
Speaker 1: is water. If you can't have water, and there's water
Speaker 1: water everywhere, not a drop to drink. I for some reason,
Speaker 1: I think because we're talking about ship cats not that
Speaker 1: long ago. Then I was reading about there's like a
Speaker 1: whole section about maritime fiction and it was like nautical
Speaker 1: fiction a men's genre written about men, men at the sea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah, that's kind of true
Speaker 1: if I think about it, like all the books about
Speaker 1: like the ocean or about men men in the sea.
Speaker 1: It's funny because the ocean is so obviously a woman, right,
Speaker 1: you know, and also like women women like to be
Speaker 1: at the sea. Look at mo Wanna mo Wanna loves
Speaker 1: to be in the Did you ever read True Confessions
Speaker 1: of Charlotte Doyle? Oh you bet, I read? That was
Speaker 1: the one book that gets mentioned as like nautical fiction
Speaker 1: about women. So more women on ships, Yeah, more, Well,
Speaker 1: I guess that doctors more women doctors on ships. The
Speaker 1: cardi Ban City Girls Torque video that was like a
Speaker 1: ship entirely filled with women, and I really enjoyed that
Speaker 1: aspect of it, especially, Yeah, I go on them. My mom,
Speaker 1: when she was a kid, went on a lot of
Speaker 1: cruises and it was the first time she'd ever eaten
Speaker 1: an avocado was on the crew? Was it like full
Speaker 1: of shrimp cocktail? Probably all fifties food, being like cruises
Speaker 1: back then exists in this kind of memories of the cruise.
Speaker 1: She thought of it as she also has fun memories
Speaker 1: of flying because as every person, we have stairs and
Speaker 1: a piano and everyone was smoking, and I'm like, great
Speaker 1: was the piano. It was in the piano bar. Your
Speaker 1: story stares in a piano and everyone was smoking, but
Speaker 1: everyone was smoking. Thing comes up a lot because mad
Speaker 1: menois on they would like, it's so true, like people
Speaker 1: don't know how much everyone was smoking all the time.
Speaker 1: But I was like, we don't even know because we
Speaker 1: grew up in California mostly like I was not. I was, yeah,
Speaker 1: do you remember being like a child in New York
Speaker 1: where everybody was smoking inside still. Yes, of course I
Speaker 1: used to lecture people about smoking when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: because it was like, I guess that it wasn't newly
Speaker 1: discovered to be horrible for you, but they were really
Speaker 1: drumming it into our heads in school, and so I
Speaker 1: would roll up little scrolls and said like, stop smoking,
Speaker 1: it's killing you. Put it in people's cigarette packs. And
Speaker 1: then eventually one of my parents friends was like, you
Speaker 1: know your daughters and your daughter's an eco terrorist, and
Speaker 1: you were like, yeah, I know, yeah, actually the irony um,
Speaker 1: but yeah. I was really hung up on the idea
Speaker 1: of stairs on airplanes because I remember being a kid
Speaker 1: getting on an airplane and being like, where would the
Speaker 1: stairs go, like up to the airplane, like you go
Speaker 1: out to know it's like this was a legendary thing.
Speaker 1: Who knows the plane in the plane double decker plane.
Speaker 1: We need a fact check out. Everyone's like, there's stairs.
Speaker 1: I've taken the stairs up to the of course, burbank.
Speaker 1: This is an inside out on the tarmac inside stairs, Molly.
Speaker 1: So it's like a magic like just a giant like
Speaker 1: yacht in the sky plane and then also just a
Speaker 1: cruise being glamorous is very funny to think about, but
Speaker 1: also like that does sound lovely, just like train travel.
Speaker 1: Oh I love trains. Only way to go, man, I
Speaker 1: love trains. I'm praying overflying sponsor. Oh please Amtrak Acela Express.
Speaker 1: Did you ever take the Acella? Yeah? The time is great.
Speaker 1: I loved it. What a what a lovely train. My mom,
Speaker 1: who finds flying a little scary, always has to think
Speaker 1: of it. She it was a train in the sky,
Speaker 1: and isn't the trouble in the sky part. Just pretend
Speaker 1: you're on a train in your mind. It's like you
Speaker 1: think last about it being in the sky. I'm always
Speaker 1: saying to people that I think it's going to be
Speaker 1: considered so ludicrous. In like ten years, we're going to
Speaker 1: be telling people about what flying was like now, and
Speaker 1: they're just gonna refuse to believe that people spent thousands
Speaker 1: of dollars. You don't think it'll just get worse and worse.
Speaker 1: I don't think I can at this point. Granted I'm
Speaker 1: like an extremely neurotic person, but I I'm so close
Speaker 1: to just saying I won't do it anymore, because I mean,
Speaker 1: especially even in the past year, there's every day there's
Speaker 1: a new report of a horrible thing that happens on
Speaker 1: a flight, and everyone's just like, you have no option,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? And we're like, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: But I'm starting to think maybe anywhere train travel and
Speaker 1: also other options, like maybe the Pony Express will come back.
Speaker 1: I don't I feel so bad for a horse so far.
Speaker 1: What if we get robot of courses West World. I'm
Speaker 1: down with that. Yeah, I could do that Robotic Pony Express,
Speaker 1: but I want to hear your opinion about the trends
Speaker 1: in food. Oh yeah, I've been stewing on this. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe we could take the Robotic Pony Express up to
Speaker 1: San Francisco sometime and explore other trends and food. I
Speaker 1: would love to. I mean, but I'm so the number
Speaker 1: of people I've lied to in my life being like
Speaker 1: San Francisco is beautiful and I love it surround it.
Speaker 1: For so long, I haven't been in northern California except
Speaker 1: the places I've been to. Never been to Seattle, and
Speaker 1: you've been there again. It was it was so brief.
Speaker 1: You've also been to Portland, where I've never been. I
Speaker 1: really liked going there in the spring for the first
Speaker 1: time Oregon. Congratulations, I'm so excited. We would like to
Speaker 1: traverse all of the western provinces. Yeah, we would The
Speaker 1: food trends of today and tomorrow, food moods, food. What
Speaker 1: is your prediction you had a prediction, Well, first you
Speaker 1: should tell your take about what's going out of style. Okay.
Speaker 1: I have noticed that every store that is opening and
Speaker 1: seeming seemingly bustling is a pokey restaurant. Still. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't believe it's still going on, but I feel
Speaker 1: like I passed three of them and it has It's
Speaker 1: such a specific I feel like the bubble has burst.
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's nothing against it, but I can't
Speaker 1: even believe it went on this long. And every time
Speaker 1: I see a new one opening, I'm just like, you
Speaker 1: must you must think too. I feel like it succeeded
Speaker 1: yogurt as the trend. I think that there was something
Speaker 1: else before you. Well, I always think of Chippotle falling
Speaker 1: prey to its own equal. I you know, anything that
Speaker 1: expands too quickly and suddenly there's a million of them.
Speaker 1: There's so many pokey places that I can't believe they
Speaker 1: all stay in business. I was thinking we'd be at
Speaker 1: the like they're all being shuttered, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's talking through. Do you like poke? I used to,
Speaker 1: but now on principle, I can't. Like there's too much
Speaker 1: much of it. It's it's weird to see it's well,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's interesting for it to happen at
Speaker 1: a time when it's also like over fishing. Is that's
Speaker 1: what I yeah, it's I mean, it just doesn't seem
Speaker 1: sound and it's and it also seems dangerous to me
Speaker 1: to to just to play roulette. Yeah, to play fish.
Speaker 1: I love to play fish roulette. I know it's bad,
Speaker 1: but I just will eat. I'll eat the poke wherever.
Speaker 1: It's not just fish. It's like a specific that I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think of something that the specificity is similar
Speaker 1: to when I'm just coming up with, like cream based
Speaker 1: soups or something where you could not eat it every day.
Speaker 1: It's weird when anything becomes super crazy popular, like kale
Speaker 1: becoming a food trend, biggest scam of the century, because
Speaker 1: it's just like greens. It's just chewy spinach. There's nothing
Speaker 1: magical about It's just like a tough green fine but
Speaker 1: it's weird for it to be in everything. Yea, it
Speaker 1: is um and then there's nothing has come in it's
Speaker 1: wake that has been as much of a sensation as
Speaker 1: ye except for the hatch Chili it Kelton's. I remember
Speaker 1: I was working at Trader Joe's when Kale hit, and
Speaker 1: it was like right before that it was allowed juice
Speaker 1: was the big thing. Oh yeah, allow juice. Allow juice
Speaker 1: is also a very strange I like allow juice on occasion, slippery,
Speaker 1: it cleans out the inside. Well, it's like it's like
Speaker 1: a jello shot. But yeah, that was like everybody was
Speaker 1: buying that, and then all of a sudden it was
Speaker 1: just like Kale Kale can then never anything else ever again.
Speaker 1: But we're also coasted into the oat. It's just the
Speaker 1: oat milk, the Oat milk dynasty. I don't know if
Speaker 1: the big Oat milk is paying, but it has taken
Speaker 1: over all the other milk so quickly. I love when
Speaker 1: they like shame you with the coffee shop for like
Speaker 1: not knowing about the new milk yet do they do that.
Speaker 1: I always get regular milk. I always get the alternative milk.
Speaker 1: But I remember when it was like places where I
Speaker 1: ordered swim milk. They'd be like, sorry, we only have
Speaker 1: almond milk. Milk milk, oh, they they only have boat
Speaker 1: milk is over ridiculously expensive. I mean it's the same
Speaker 1: as other alternative milks. I heard that cash you milk
Speaker 1: is really good, Cashi milk is pretty good. Nut mikes
Speaker 1: are bad. They're all bad for the environment because it
Speaker 1: takes a lot of water to grow grow the nuts.
Speaker 1: What do you think would be an alternative to the
Speaker 1: nuts to make milk out of Well, I think about
Speaker 1: this all the time because I love milk and I'm
Speaker 1: lactose and tolerant. So if you could drink any if
Speaker 1: you could drink any kind of regularly, brings me to
Speaker 1: the food trends, the new food trends. Okay, so I
Speaker 1: got really in the milk tea, which is uh, the
Speaker 1: generic flavor of tea you get with Boba tea. It's
Speaker 1: been around for a long time. It's not new because
Speaker 1: I always ordered other flavors of Boba tea. I never
Speaker 1: thought to order to like the regular flavor. It's essentially
Speaker 1: kind of like a tie iced tea style, like condensed
Speaker 1: milk and a lot of sugar and then tea. But
Speaker 1: it is everywhere. You can get it everywhere. It's like
Speaker 1: it's having a boom time for sure. There's new Boba
Speaker 1: tea places opening. I remember the original Boba Wave. I'm
Speaker 1: not big into boba's themselves. I don't like the chewy bobas,
Speaker 1: but the tea Giant care. I've gotten really into the tea.
Speaker 1: It gets you so spracked. And then I found out
Speaker 1: that it's basically always vegan because a lot of these
Speaker 1: places use coconut milk, so like, for example, coconut cream. Yeah,
Speaker 1: coconut cat so like, because it's really good and it's
Speaker 1: got really good texture, and coconut cream is probably like
Speaker 1: not the help. It's definitely not the help. It's Have
Speaker 1: you ever bought coconuct so good though? So good? Uh?
Speaker 1: And it's technically non dairy, So milk tea. Milk tea
Speaker 1: is my number one. I used to get the Cocoa Lopez,
Speaker 1: which is the can of coconut cream. It's so good.
Speaker 1: If you look at the back of the k, you're like,
Speaker 1: it's just I was just honestly, I was awed by it.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's pretty impressive. That's not a lot
Speaker 1: of that, you know what everyone calling a night call.
Speaker 1: Give us a call if you have thoughts about alternative milks,
Speaker 1: old school of milks, or food trends. Our number is
Speaker 1: two four oh four six night or you can email
Speaker 1: us at night Call podcast at gmail dot com. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you guys like milk tea? I turned to it
Speaker 1: as alternative to coffee, and then I had to cut
Speaker 1: back on milk teat because it's too delicious. It's like,
Speaker 1: very delicious and caffeinated and much cheaper than most coffee.
Speaker 1: I'm confused because I just wonder why nobody's coming up
Speaker 1: with like just kind of a particulate matter. They can
Speaker 1: lend a creaminess to walk particulate matter. Well, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: is there nothing that we're throwing away that could be
Speaker 1: repurposed for making an alternative milk instead of having to
Speaker 1: grow a lot of I think that's truth about almond
Speaker 1: milk is that if you made something that was just
Speaker 1: like water and you colored it white and you were like,
Speaker 1: it's a new milk drink, it would be fine. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like, would it be terrible if it were
Speaker 1: made from paper? It's likely the milk, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that might killing there's paper and a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: There is paper and a lot of there's paper is
Speaker 1: a filler, and like so much food. What about like
Speaker 1: the husks of corn? What about corn milk? You know
Speaker 1: when you kind of boil the husks, we like use
Speaker 1: the corn silk. You use the whole corn. Use the
Speaker 1: silk where like you know the silk the people just
Speaker 1: throw away, We turned it into milk. It's silk silk.
Speaker 1: There is silk milk. And then are spiders cows or spiders? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So oh, I feel like there was somebody who was
Speaker 1: like using spiders to make milk. You could use insects
Speaker 1: to make milk. You could do it. You could do it.
Speaker 1: You could do it. Don't are going to take over
Speaker 1: that weird milk that comes out of plants. Sometimes there's milkweed,
Speaker 1: milk queen. Now we're tying together our first topic. And
Speaker 1: some of you call it to be like milk is poisonous.
Speaker 1: If you drink it, you die. Yeah, it's only good
Speaker 1: for butterflies. Butterfly I think it is maybe poisonous. Murder
Speaker 1: on milk, murder on milk, creed mountain um. The butterflies
Speaker 1: are are disappearing. It's uh, the other food trend. I
Speaker 1: don't have the name of the place because I was
Speaker 1: just walking around in Koreatown and I observed a very
Speaker 1: long line for a place. It was at California Marketplace,
Speaker 1: which is um a grocery store, and then there's like
Speaker 1: a mall on top of it. Have you ever been there? Yes,
Speaker 1: it's great. I think it is great. But there was
Speaker 1: a mall on top of it, like a place that
Speaker 1: had just opened. And there was like many places that
Speaker 1: all looked good, but this one place had the line
Speaker 1: like around the block. So I had to see what
Speaker 1: it was. Was it? It was corn dogs? Oh? I
Speaker 1: love corn dogs? Are the new food trend and calling
Speaker 1: it now? No, it's the thing. It's like, I think
Speaker 1: a Korean food trend that we are just now getting
Speaker 1: in America. It is not just dogs. A lot of
Speaker 1: it is like a fried cheese stick. Oh, I don't
Speaker 1: know about I think you might like it. I was
Speaker 1: going to say, what if it had a like crab
Speaker 1: cake underneath? A seafood corn dog definitely is a thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, check got the corn dog boom nightcall. You
Speaker 1: heard it here first? Corn dogs are the new poque nice.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to San Francisco, and we're gonna get
Speaker 1: you what I got last time I was there, which
Speaker 1: is the hottest food trend clam chowder and a bread bowl.
Speaker 1: I'm so down, that's my favorite. Thanks for listening this week.
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week again. If you have anything
Speaker 1: you'd like to share, we're free jazz pod, so you
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Speaker 1: number even or an email and can tell us about
Speaker 1: what your thoughts are on trendy beverages, trendy food, things
Speaker 1: that you like or don't like, tell us about your
Speaker 1: haunted dreams, and we will be seeing some of you,
Speaker 1: hopefully in a couple of days, at our night Call
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Speaker 1: gold Diggers. We'll be playing the hits, probably some Steely Dan, definitely,
Speaker 1: probably some E l O, definitely Sevilla Test, and I
Speaker 1: will be playing all the cool big chill hits. Emily
Speaker 1: is bringing some records. I think we might represent all
Speaker 1: the different forms of streaming media in our jets, including
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