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Speaker 1: location of the oil filter on this two point seven

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Speaker 1: the serpentin belt right underneath it. So no matter how

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Speaker 1: and they saw time to get there. Im he's found

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Speaker 1: Joe the Car Doctor first of all. On like you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a big bay at a sail every week. I'm

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Speaker 1: not a gear head. Perfect. That's okay, I'll make you one.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead. Welcome to the radio home of ron and

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Speaker 1: Anian the Car Doctor. Since this is where car owners

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Speaker 1: the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 1: but I am here to take your calls at eight

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Speaker 1: five five five six and now running. Well hello again, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's me here. We are to talk about cars as

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Speaker 1: And I guess you are because you're there. And my

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Speaker 1: doctor here at five zero zero. Let's open the garage

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Speaker 1: seven jeep commander and a starting issue, rab I have.

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Speaker 1: I just have one quick question. Is it a no

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't start um and it's it seems to

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Speaker 1: running the car up to temperature, cut it off for

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Speaker 1: this thing is almost like a push button start. You

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Speaker 1: But it cranks until the engine starts. And there's a

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Speaker 1: then down to about two. When it doesn't start, that

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Speaker 1: throttle plate just sits at eight. Okay, if you crank

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna start and then um hit the key again.

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Speaker 1: The car will start every time. So when it goes

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. When it goes into this no start condition,

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Speaker 1: what have you checked for? What has it lost? Does

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Speaker 1: it have fuel pressure? Okay, so I have chased the

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Speaker 1: the PCM. They're good. Um, I can do a follower test.

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Speaker 1: It's weird when it's off it shows two eight Um

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Speaker 1: It does the same thing when it's cold. It starts

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Speaker 1: every time. What does it show just just just out

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Speaker 1: You know, engine idling warm in uh in Parker gear.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. What does it show mess air flow

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Speaker 1: grams per second? Did you look at that? About eight

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it actually tries to start a little bit, it's

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Speaker 1: than when it's when it doesn't start. When it's it

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Speaker 1: Looked that it's a throttle plate not moving right well,

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Speaker 1: Do I have? Do I have? I would get out

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Speaker 1: All right, do you have profane immediately? Do you have

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Speaker 1: any propane? Rob? Yeah? Yeah, okay. Does it fire on

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Speaker 1: the ether? Oh yeah, yeah, it's got fire all right,

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Speaker 1: where's the injector pulse? Does the injector pulse change from

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Speaker 1: what it does when it's when it's confused, when it's

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Speaker 1: Then then you cut the key off and cut it

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Speaker 1: it does this. If you if you release the button,

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Speaker 1: if you cycle the button real quick, can you get

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Speaker 1: If you let it finish out that ten second cycle.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to start and I'm not starting at the

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Speaker 1: end of that ten seconds. If you cut it off

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Speaker 1: and cut it back on, it will start every time. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But what happens if you stop that cycle short is

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Speaker 1: my question? If you if you try and start it

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Speaker 1: It'll it'll go into that I'm not gonna start, so

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Speaker 1: ten you're telling me, let me, Let me lay this

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Speaker 1: scenario out like this. You you, you turn the key

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Speaker 1: to crank it crank, crank, crank, crank, crank. Ten seconds

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Speaker 1: it stops on its own start cycle as you let

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Speaker 1: it complete, right you let it complete as you say, um,

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Speaker 1: turn the key off, count to five, turn the key.

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Speaker 1: It'll fire right up. Yep. Okay, you don't even have

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Speaker 1: cut it back on and it'll start every time. And

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Speaker 1: if if while you're sitting there cranking it, you're five

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Speaker 1: it from cranking, yes, turn the key off, count to five,

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Speaker 1: go to crank, it still won't start until it sees

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Speaker 1: a ten second timer. We'll we'll use that expression turn

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Speaker 1: it off and then it'll start every time. Yep. I

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Speaker 1: paying very close attention to PCM inputs. I I everything

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Speaker 1: that I'm looking at seems normal. Um, I'm I'm seeing it.

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing the crank signal is fine. I'm seeing RPM

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Speaker 1: while it's cranking. Um, the cam sensor is fine. I

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Speaker 1: actually thought, well maybe, and I put a CAM sensor

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Speaker 1: fine and there's no there's no ant Is there an

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Speaker 1: antiff system on this vehicle? Um, there's an auto shutdown relay? Yes,

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Speaker 1: there's a and I can do it with all three keys.

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Speaker 1: cane neither do I. But I would just I would

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Speaker 1: and I'll lay out the I'll lay out the pins

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Speaker 1: each each signal coming in. Was this right? Was? This? Right? Was?

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Speaker 1: And I'll cross them off and I'll go, yep, it's

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Speaker 1: supposed to be two point three and I got two

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Speaker 1: And if it's rock steady, you know what, at some

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Speaker 1: But I agree with I agree with everything you've told

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Speaker 1: just fix it, you know. Um. Oh yeah, it's listen,

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Speaker 1: If you're not paying attention to this and you don't

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Speaker 1: We're on any of the car, doctor, John, you're still there, sir,

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Speaker 1: the ball with fuel, all right. I'll make sure the

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00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: bottom of the carb is drawn. I I'll fill the

423
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: bowl with fuel and I'll come back eight hours later.

424
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: If if, if the carb is wet underneath. It's likely

425
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: that the solder plugs. When they made that carburetor back

426
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: in the day, when Rochester made that que jet back

427
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: in the day, you know, they drilled a machine from

428
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: top and bottom and then they solder plugged the holes

429
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: that they wanted to stay sealed. It sounds like the

430
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: solder plugs have vibrated loose over time and they're allowing

431
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: the bowl to drain through the main jets. Not an

432
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: uncommon not an uncommon thing back when carburetors roam the land.

433
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: So once you established that the carb is dripping out

434
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: the bottom, all right, it's gonna be a matter of

435
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: drawing everything out somewhere. It's probably still available. It's been

436
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: a while since I went looking for it, but there

437
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: are epoxies out there. There wasn't epoxy repair procedure where

438
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: we were apoxy the bottom solder plugs, just to seal

439
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 1: them and to keep things intact. That way, you can

440
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: maintain the original carbon. If you contacted a carb rebuilder,

441
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: they would likely be able to either explain it to you,

442
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: send you the material, or maybe send the car about

443
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: for a rebuild and let them reseal it and you'll

444
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: be fine. Now. The other thing you can try is

445
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: if you don't want to take the carb off, is

446
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: shut the car off. Open and this gets a little

447
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: sloppy because you got to open the linkage up. All right,

448
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Stay right where you are, John,

449
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: Let me let me pull over and take the pause.

450
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to cram this in.

451
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: Let me take the pause. I'll come right back to zero.

452
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: We'll be back right after this. Don't go away. Welcome back, right,

453
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: name of the car doctor, John. You're still there in

454
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Okay, So, and I should preface this. This

455
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like a spark condition. This is an h

456
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: EI distributor set up right seventy right, Yeah, so electronic

457
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: ignition stuff is pretty much bulletproof. You know, you wouldn't

458
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to make a change that I

459
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: could understand by putting fuel down into the float ball

460
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: to all of a sudden revived this. So it really

461
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: sounds like a fuel loss issue. So what we're gonna

462
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: do is you could do this on the car. Disconnect

463
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: the throttle spring, disconnect the accelerator cable, all right, this way,

464
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: this way, nobody's gonna get into the car and try

465
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: to start it when we're doing our little science project

466
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: by mistake, and we take the tension off the throttle

467
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: spring in the throttle cable. So we just make the

468
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: car set alone on the manifold, all right, And let's

469
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: take the air cleaner off, open the throttle plate all

470
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: the way all right, and let's open the choke flap

471
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: and take a flashlight and look down inside the intake manifold. Okay,

472
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna see wet, right, and every time you cycle,

473
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: every time you cycle, the the accelerator. You're gonna see

474
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: wet in the manifold. Correct that, right, because the accelerator

475
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: pump is gonna spray fuel. So do it once just

476
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: to prove that it's gonna happen, and you'll see fuel

477
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: in the bottom of the bowl, all right, or in

478
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: the bottom of the bottom of the manifold. Walk away,

479
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,239
Speaker 1: all right, Let the car sit, give it a day

480
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: or two. Go back when the go back when the

481
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: intake is dry, all right. And if the intake isn't dry,

482
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: that tells you that the fuel is really leaking. And

483
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: then what I want you to do is fill the

484
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: bowl again. Try not to spill any down into the intake.

485
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 1: Now come back the next day. If where you had

486
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: a dry manifold, you now have a wet manifold. What's

487
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: going on? You tell me? Uh, that means it's dripping

488
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: down in right, It's dripping in from the solder plugs

489
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: right or from the assembly plugs. And you've just proved

490
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: it without having to take it off the car. I mean,

491
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: the faster way to do this is to just pull

492
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: the carb off the car. And you can do that too,

493
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: you know. I'm just trying to give you options okay,

494
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: all right, but it's cold. I say something, Sure, what

495
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: a memory you here? I can't. I can't believe you're

496
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: I just I talked to other people. They just kind

497
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: of looked at me, like what like that, like it

498
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: was like it was like it was yesterday. I remember

499
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: this like it was yesterday. You do? Okay, all right?

500
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: You know, uh listen, yeah, but I get I get

501
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: lost in my house. You know, it's uh, I have

502
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: a nominally kidden. I don't know. To me, I don't know,

503
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: it's just normal to me. I listen. My my brother

504
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: once asked me, He said, how come you know so

505
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: much about working on cars? And I said, I don't know.

506
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: I really don't. I think about this from the time

507
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: at the time. You know, I just I lift the

508
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: hood of a car, and it makes sense to me.

509
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: I look at it and I recognize what it is.

510
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of times I'll take something

511
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: apart and put it back together, and then I'll read

512
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: the procedure to see if I was right. Um, usually

513
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm right because it works. But you know, if you

514
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: put me in if you put me in front of

515
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: something else, I don't know. I think this is what

516
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: I was meant to do. I'm pretty good at it.

517
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: All right. Well, I want to thank you and again

518
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: I'm just amazed at your memory and thank you very much.

519
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: I know I got something to do, take care of it.

520
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: Really appreciate you're You're very welcome, John, enjoy the car. Yes,

521
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: be well, be well, be well, You're very welcome. Bye bye. Um, jeez,

522
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: look at a fan. That's too okay. If zero, I

523
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: would count Tom, but I've seen Tom. Look at me.

524
00:32:53,000 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: We'll be back right after this, plucking back when I

525
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: need the car doctor, you know, before I forget lest

526
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: I forget. Um. Happy Mother's Day to all the moms

527
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: out there, right, uh, you know this weekend is Mother's

528
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: Day weekend. We want to wish Happy Mother's Day to

529
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: all the moms. Where would we be without mom? Right?

530
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: You know the difference between a mom and a dad.

531
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: For Mother's Day, you could take your mother a rock

532
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: you found in the street and polish it up and

533
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: put your initials on it and give it to mom. Look, Mom,

534
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: I made your paperweight and she'd be like, oh, that's

535
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: so cute. Look at She put it on her desk

536
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: and she'd use it. If you gave that to your father,

537
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: he'd throw it at you. All right, what are you doing? Kids?

538
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: Get out of here. Um, that's a difference between moms

539
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: and dads. At least that's my interpretation. Yeah, huh. She

540
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: would have thrown the rock at me. Well yeah, well,

541
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: and in some cases my mom probably would have. My

542
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: mom was you know my mom was? She well? As

543
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: Mom always said, she always knew where I was, all right,

544
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: because I was either outside in the garage working on

545
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: a car, or I was at a neighbor's house working

546
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: on a car. He always knew where I was, she said.

547
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: I never I always knew you were never hanging out

548
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: on a street corner. A little did she know? I

549
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: always knew you were weren't hanging out in a street

550
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: corner because I always knew you were working on a

551
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: car somewhere. And when you didn't come home, I knew

552
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: where to find you, and she did. She always found me.

553
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: I was under the hood of somebody's car. But anyway, Um, listen,

554
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: I want to close the show today with just one

555
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: quick story about the shop this week. I want you

556
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: to be successful in your relationship with your mechanic, and

557
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: I don't want you to do what other people do.

558
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: We had a woman walk in the shop this week midweek.

559
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: Her daughter was taking a driving test on Friday and

560
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: the check engine light was on in this Toyota camera.

561
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: There's twenty year old Toyota camera for the past week,

562
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: and she decided on Wednesday this was the time to

563
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: get it fixed, which obviously we couldn't do. Um. So

564
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: she's out there trying to find somebody to fix this

565
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: and like somebody would take that on. Don't set yourself

566
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: up for failure, all right. Make sure that you're developing

567
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: a relationship with a mechanic, that long term relationship where

568
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: they get to know you, you get to know them,

569
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: and the car sets you up to the be possible

570
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: success with the least possible cost for the best possible experience.

571
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: Until the next time I'm running any of the car

572
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: doctor reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. To

573
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: see you