1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,560 Speaker 1: But I think in the back of my mind, really, 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: I was more focused on where I was going to 3 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: live and where I was going to do once I 4 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: turned eighteen and ahed out. So I actually saw college 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: more as a way of secure housing for myself than 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: anything else. 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 2: From futuromedia, it's let you know usay, I'm Maria no Posa. 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: Today we hear about a journey from being a foster 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: kid to becoming judge Doris. In the early nineteen eighties, 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: a civil war in El Salvador was ravaging the country. 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: Fearing for their lives, Sumara Torres and her family fled 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 2: in the United States. Her family settled in East Los Angeles, 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: but at the age of thirteen, she might have found 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: herself in the foster care system. She never lived with 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: her parents again. She might have put herself through reig 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: in law school. She specialized in family law, and in 17 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, she was officially appointed Circuit Court judge of Portland, Oregon. 18 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: So for this episode of How I Made It, Tiamara 19 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: Torres reflects on growing up in foster care homes and 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: her journey to becoming a judge. 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: My name is Siamra Torres. I am a Molnama County 22 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: Circuit Court judge in Portland, Oregon. My calling really was 23 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: representing children in court, so it seemed to somehow made 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: my way back to that original purpose in my childhood. 25 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: I grew up in this town called Baraiso, and it 26 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: was the very beginning of the Civil War Nol Salvador 27 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: that ended in ninety two. I didn't really understand what 28 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: was going on, but I knew that we were sent 29 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: home a lot because soldiers would show up to the school, 30 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: so something was going on. It's hard as a child 31 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: to really understand what's going on. My father worked for 32 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: the government. One day I learned my father had to 33 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: leave the country, so I knew he had to leave 34 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: right away, and he did, and then later we were 35 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: to join him. And what I remember is us packing 36 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: up and we flew to Mexico City first, and then 37 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: from Mexico City we met with the Coyotes there and 38 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: they helped us into the country. What I remember the 39 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: most is arriving at a hotel room in Tijuana. I 40 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: think we waited maybe half a day, and then after 41 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: that I think I was by myself and not with 42 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: the rest of my family, and we were in a 43 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: car with a couple, an American couple, Caucasian couple, who 44 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: was going to drive the vehicle into the border and 45 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: cross the border. What I remember is I wasn't supposed 46 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: to talk, and so I was. I was supposed to 47 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: just be really quiet. I knew we were. I went 48 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: with strangers and they were helping me somehow, and that 49 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: I just wasn't supposed to say anything. And that's how 50 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: I entered the country. And then once I was in 51 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: the United States and Los Angeles, I reunited with my 52 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: siblings and my mother, and we reunited with my father 53 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: who had been here. It felt comfortable in that it 54 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: was a lot of Latinos and so I heard Spanish 55 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: a lot. This was East Los Angeles, and so in 56 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: that regard it felt somewhat normal and home because of 57 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: the Spanish. But once I went to school, that was 58 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: different because everything in school was in English. In terms 59 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: of who I made friends with, I mostly made friends 60 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: with people who spoke Spanish because that's the only language 61 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: I spoke. The difficulty with trying to understand the teachers 62 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: who were mostly English speaking, trying to understand the subject matters. 63 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: It was really hard to understand what was going on 64 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: is what I remember. I think when I look back, Definitely, 65 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: my parents really wanted us to assimilate, really wanted us 66 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: to speak the language. They really encouraged for my siblings 67 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: and I not to speak Spanish to each other and 68 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: really speak English and acquire the language as quickly as possible. 69 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: I did experience abuse a few years into coming into 70 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: this country, and at the age of thirteen, I told 71 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: a really good friend of mine what was happening, and 72 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: she encouraged and her family to encourage me to talk 73 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: to the school counselor. And when I spoke to this 74 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: school counselor, who was a mandatory reporter, apparently the police 75 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: were contacted. So I was in a police car shortly thereafter, 76 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: and the police were picking up my siblings at different schools. 77 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: I have two older siblings. I was fortunate in that 78 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: I had a very skilled emergency foster home with support 79 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: in that home as I was maneuvering this new system. 80 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: So this particular home that I was in, they had 81 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: their own children, and they had been foster parents for 82 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: long term placements, and they had adopted one teenager, so 83 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: they had the space to take three girls for a 84 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: short period of time, and I think I was there 85 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: maybe a month and a half, maybe a month after that, 86 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: I moved into a home with foster parents, and they 87 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: had another foster child in the home, and my elder 88 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: sister and I were in that home together. I think 89 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: it's very difficult when you're in foster care, too, because 90 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of information, and so I 91 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: didn't really know most the time how my siblings were doing. 92 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: You know, at the time I was making allegations of 93 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: sex abuse, and so they must have made an assessment 94 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: and made decisions about whether girls could go back home 95 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: or not. And I know that I, for myself was 96 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: specifically saying I didn't want to go back home that certainly, 97 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: as the court was looking at reunification efforts with my family, 98 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: they were hearing from me, and so then it's the 99 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: court trying to figure out at what point you can, 100 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: if possible, reunite children with their families. In terms of 101 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: aging out, I had seen my sister trying to figure out, 102 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: my oldest sister trying to figure out what she was 103 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: going to do when she turned eighteen, So I already 104 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: knew that was in my future, and I was trying 105 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: to figure it out. I had really studied a lot, 106 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: and so I was fortunate enough to have really good 107 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: grades because I sort of applied myself in school as 108 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: a way to escape everything else that I was going through. 109 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: And so I received a letter from Berkeley recruiting me 110 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: to their school. But I think in the back of 111 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: my mind, really I was more focused on where I 112 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: was going to live and where I was going what 113 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: I was going to do once I turned eighteen and 114 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: aged out. So I actually saw college more as a 115 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: way of secure housing for myself than anything else. But 116 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: I think I was feeling a sense of adventure and 117 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to explore, and I think I probably inside 118 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: I just was trying to get as far away from 119 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: my experience as possible. College, I think is hard, but 120 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: college for foster children, for still they don't, you know, 121 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: we have such a low percentage of foster children that 122 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: attend college. But not having familial support, particularly during the holidays, 123 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: was really tough. I struggled towards the second year. I 124 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: dropped out for a few years and I didn't really 125 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: know if I was going to go back or not. 126 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: But somehow I found my way back, and after a 127 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: three year break finished up. So I graduated from Berkeley 128 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: and I worked at a law firm in downtown San 129 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: Francisco as I was trying to figure out what practice 130 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: area was going to be the best fit for me. 131 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: The organ Department of Justice is really the biggest law 132 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: firm for the state of Oregon, and I felt really 133 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: fortunate to work there, and particularly as a minority. I 134 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: knew it was a difficult position to get and it 135 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: was really important for me to work there because I 136 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: really felt that the Department of Justice needed to have 137 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: lawyers who looked like the community. I could see people 138 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: looking at me when I was coming in in a suit. 139 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: I had little carry ons with very large files. When 140 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: I was there to do trials, I got used to 141 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: people just looking. I knew that I stood out. I 142 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: think when I became a judge and I asked the 143 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: Governor's office in the press release, told them it was 144 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: really important for me to put in that I was 145 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: an immigrant and that I was a foster child. Before that, 146 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't know that I was a 147 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: foster child. Growing up, it was a very private part 148 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: of my life, and so no one really knew. I 149 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: think a lot of people were very shocked to learn 150 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: that I had been in care. One of the things 151 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: that I do see and have seen where I can 152 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: make an impact is I'm able when children show up 153 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: to court. Sometimes they come to their court hearings and 154 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: seeing kids who are very quiet and don't really want 155 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: to talk about a possible new placement that they just 156 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: landed at. I do share with them that I was 157 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: in foster care and that I was in different placements, 158 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: so that they know that I understand what that new 159 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: environment is like for them and them readjusting. So that's 160 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: sort of one way I get them to talk to 161 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: me about how things are going in their new placements, 162 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: and I think that's where I've seen a big differ 163 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: friends for me. I sort of look for certain things 164 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: when I'm reviewing cases. For example, i know that you 165 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 1: very rarely saw doctors as foster children, and so I'm 166 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: always looking to see when children last went for a 167 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: checkup or dental care. I'm looking at grades very carefully 168 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: because I know that as you move around and children 169 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: are trying to readjust to schools, I know that it's 170 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: very easy to fall behind in school. So I'm always 171 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: looking to see and so I'm looking at the things 172 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: that I suspect maybe aren't getting the attention that they 173 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: need to get, and so I'm asking about those things 174 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: in my cases in my court. I as a community member, 175 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: have been attending theater Milagro Miracle Theater here for many years, 176 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: over ten years. I have taken my children there, and 177 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: so when I took the bench, there are just director 178 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: Danielle Milan had read a profile that the local paper 179 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: had done on me and decided she wanted to make 180 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: a play. So she reached out to me and asked 181 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: me if I would allow my story to be used 182 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: for that. As an incredible honor to have a play 183 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: done about you, it was also a very surreal experience 184 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: for me to have your life played out on stage. 185 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: Being a foster child is something that children are ashamed 186 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: of and you don't talk about. As I mentioned, I 187 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: didn't really share that with a lot of people, even 188 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: as a grown up. Only my closest friends knew. So 189 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: I think it's so important for children in school to 190 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: learn about the experience of a foster child. I'm hoping 191 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: they have a greater understanding of what that experience is like, 192 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: the adjustment, the estrangement from siblings, and so I was 193 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: really proud to see that on stage. And I was 194 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: also really proud to see a scene that I hadn't 195 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: seen before of siblings crossing the river and entering this country. 196 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: In terms of my future, I see myself on the 197 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: bench for many years, and I want to make sure 198 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: that I'm the kind of judge that the community feels 199 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: they really are getting to know, because that is such 200 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: an important role to me. 201 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: This episode originally aired in March of twenty nineteen, Produced 202 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: by Lucas Southard and edited by Sophia Barisaka. 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