1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Day b a Q, a podcast 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: available every morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever you listen. 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, the ninth of July in London. I'm Caroline 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 2: Hepka and. 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 3: I'm Stephen Carroll. 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 4: Coming up today, the White House scrambles to quell concerns 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 4: about multiple visits by a Parkinson's expert. 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: NATO allies gather in Washington as Russia presses its advantage 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: in Ukraine, and Kirs Starmer attends his first foreign summit 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: as Prime Minister. 12 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 4: Plus a ten percent drop. Morgan Stanley's Mike Wilson warrens 13 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 4: traders he sees an SMP five hundred correction as highly 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 4: likely before the US election. 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: Let's start with a round p of our top stories. 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 4: US President Joe Biden has not undergone any special neurological 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 4: testing since his annual physical in February, according to his doctor. 18 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 4: The statement comes after a barrage of questions from reporters 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 4: about White House visitor showing a neurologist and Parkinson's specialist 20 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 4: visited the White House eight times over the past year. 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 4: Here's Press Secretary Karine Jean Pierre's response. 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 5: Has the President been treated for Parkinson's? 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: No? 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 5: Is he being treated for Parkinson's, No, he's not. Is 25 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 5: he taking medication for Parkinson's No. So those are the 26 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 5: things that I can give you full blown answers on, 27 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 5: but I'm not going to do I'm not going to 28 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 5: confirm a specialist, any specialist that comes to the whales 29 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 5: Oudam Brokers. 30 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 4: Champierre also said there are no plans for Biden to 31 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 4: take another annual physical until after November's election. The questions 32 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 4: dominated Monday's press briefing and a sign of how big 33 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 4: an impact Biden's stilted debate performance has had on his 34 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 4: hopes of retaining the White House. At least nine House 35 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 4: members have now called for Biden's step aside, and the 36 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 4: House Democratic Caucus will meet Tuesday morning, which could lead 37 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 4: to more defections. 38 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: Doubts over the US president's future are threatening to overshadow 39 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: the NATO summit that begins today in Washington. Biden is 40 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: hosting the gathering, but other leaders, including Immanuel Macon and 41 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: Olaf Schultz, are also facing pressure after recent elections in 42 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: their countries. Support for Ukraine is a key issue on 43 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: the agenda for the leaders. Former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko 44 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: has urged the allies not to delay further help. 45 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 6: Don't trust put you and I know it from my 46 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 6: own experience. This is message for me to the Abtempt 47 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 6: to delay the launching of negotiation with Ukraine is very dangerous. 48 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: Petro Poroshenko, speaking there following Monday's Russian missile strike on 49 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: a children's hospital in Kiev. The current president, Vlodomi Zelenski, 50 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: has also called forgear greater resolve from allies in the 51 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: wake of the attacks. NATO has agreed to spend at 52 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: least forty billion euros per year on military aid for Ukraine, 53 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: but with the caveat that the target will be reviewed 54 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: next year. 55 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 4: The Rstiush Prime Minister Krista is one of the leaders 56 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 4: traveling to NATO on his fifth day in the job. 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 4: The UK is one of NATO's biggest spenders and Starmar's 58 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 4: new government wants to take a key role on the 59 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 4: world stage. Bloomberg James Wilcock has more. 60 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 7: When Kis Starmer won government in a landslide last week, 61 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 7: he made the traditional international call fornturiously. We will see 62 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 7: each other next week I'm very much looking forward to 63 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 7: seeing you. 64 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 8: In Washington, then having the opportunity obviously to sit down 65 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 8: properly part. 66 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 3: Clear oursure relationship. We're working together issue supporting Ukraine, managing 67 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 3: an a cappelitation on cha Benki cooperation, never for shipping. 68 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 7: Gramarcas Starmer there talking to US President Joe Biden. Bgial 69 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 7: lyders often try and catch a bit of American stardust, 70 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 7: but this time it may be Starma, the progressive politician 71 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 7: with a large stable majority who is in demand at 72 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 7: the NATO summit. Yet the labor leader's political hymoon may 73 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 7: prove short lived, as key allies see big shifts towards 74 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 7: the right in coming months. With the specter of a 75 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 7: Donald Trump presidency looming in London, James Wilcock Bloomberg Radio. 76 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: Political shock in France is forcing bond investors to confront 77 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: the country's fiscal deficit. President Macrol's decision to call a 78 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: snap election led the gap between French and German bond 79 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 2: yields to widen, the most since the sovereign debt crisis 80 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: in Europe. Now, a hung parliament threatens to hinder any 81 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: new government's ability to drive economic reforms. Ludwig Subra, chief 82 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 2: economist that Alian, says a coalition could complicate policy. 83 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 9: The Left electoral alliance has now to ask really who 84 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 9: they want to put forward as prime minister, the nominee, 85 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 9: and then see how this person can work with the 86 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 9: Macon's party in the parliament right. And so that really 87 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 9: means certainly an infection of policies, but also a big 88 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 9: sense still when it comes to big moves reforms, and 89 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 9: also certainly to constantly take our fiscal deficits. 90 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: Ludwig Supra from ALIAS speaking there, prior to the parliamentary elections, 91 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: France had already been admonished by the EU for breaking 92 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 2: the blog's fiscal rules with the size of its budget deficit. 93 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 4: Morgan Stanley's tf US equity strategist Mike Wilson has warned 94 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 4: of a stock market correction of ten percent between now 95 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 4: and the US presidential election as highly likely as the 96 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 4: S and P five hundreds opened the week at all 97 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 4: time high, as Wilson told Bloomberg that traders should brace 98 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 4: for a pullback. 99 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 10: I think the chance of a ten percent correction is 100 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 10: highly likely sometime between now and the election, not just 101 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 10: because of the election, but because uncertainty is going to 102 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 10: prevail for a lot of different reasons. Ernie's reasons, you know, 103 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 10: election outcome reasons, some of the things you mentioned earlier 104 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 10: on terrors, potentially immigration fed policy still remains uncertain. So yeah, 105 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 10: I think the third quarter typically is that period and 106 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 10: it's going to be trapping. 107 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 3: Morgan Stanley's Mike Wilson. 108 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 4: There, he joins a rising number of Wall Street pros 109 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 4: who are growing more cautious going into the third quarter, 110 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 4: a seasonally turbulent period, particularly amid signs the US stock 111 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 4: rat is overheating. 112 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: Jurors in the eight week fraud trial of Bill Wong, 113 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: the founder of our Chiegos Capital Management, are expected to 114 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: begin deliberations on a verdict today. Bloomberg's Doug Krisner reports. 115 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 8: The case of our Chago's Capital Management and its inability 116 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 8: to meet billions of dollars in margin calls ensnared half 117 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 8: of Wall Street and it cost banks ten billion dollars. 118 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 8: Wang is charged with eleven counts, including fraud and market manipulation. Yesterday, 119 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 8: in closing remarks, Wang's lawyer said the government's case makes 120 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 8: no sense because prosecutors failed to show how Wang planned 121 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 8: to realize a windfall from the alleged scheme. In his closing, 122 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 8: the prosecutor peppered his arguments with metaphors to show how 123 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 8: Wang cared about moving stock prices, not acquiring stock in 124 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 8: New York. I'm Doug Prisner, Bloomberg Radio. 125 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: Well, let's go back to the latest from US politics. 126 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: Now. 127 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 4: President Joe Biden's doctor says that the President hasn't undergone 128 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 4: any special neurological testing since its annual physical in February. 129 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 4: This amid questions by the frequent visits to the White 130 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 4: House of a Parkinson's specialist and mounting concern about Democratic 131 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 4: Party and donors about Biden's re election campaign. Bomber TV 132 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 4: anchor Crity Goop does with us for more on this story. Critty, 133 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: good morning. Why is there this speculation now? If you 134 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 4: can just bring us up to speed about the US 135 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 4: president and Parkinson's disease. 136 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: So this has been in the water for a little 137 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: bit now, and early Simes dementia Alzheimer's were floated by 138 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: the media and by some of his critics as well, 139 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: So this isn't necessarily new. I think what's new is 140 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: the fact that this visitor log does in be effect 141 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: show that despite and I believe you played the SOT 142 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the Press secretary saying that he 143 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: has not been consulted for it, the visitor logs do 144 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: indeed show that the White House doctor has had that 145 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: visit from the Parkinson's specialist, and so for that reason, 146 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: the media has of course circulated that this may be 147 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: a possibility. But that's where it's coming from. There still 148 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: hasn't been much clarity on what that Parkinson specialist was 149 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: doing or if it was even related to to President 150 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: Biden as opposed to other members of the staff or 151 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: the family. 152 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. What Meanwhile, wealthy donors saying always important of we 153 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: see in the US electoral system. 154 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: They are concerned, and I believe there was a groups 155 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: of reporting I think, I want to say coming out 156 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: of Axios that is talking about the likes of Larry Fink, 157 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: for example, the head of Centerview Partners for example, banding 158 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: together and saying, is this really one where we want 159 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 1: to put our money? And remember they're going up against 160 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: some of the several billionaires who've backed President Trump as well. 161 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: Steve Schwartzman is a great example of that. But they 162 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: are concerned about whether that pool of money should indeed 163 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: be behind President Biden or an alternate Canada. 164 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: And they're simply meeting. 165 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: No major decisions have been made yet, no major kind 166 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: of funding poll, but simply the fact that those conversations 167 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: are being had by some of Wall Street's biggest names 168 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: is fairly notable. 169 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: Christy. 170 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 4: One of the next steps in this story, there's a 171 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 4: meeting of the House Democratic Caucus today. 172 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: What should be watching out for. 173 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot going on over the next few days, 174 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: and the big one is going to be on July eleventh. 175 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: That's when the DNC platform committed. He meets in particular, 176 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: and this is where the leadership of the party convention 177 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: is going to be talking about what those next steps are. Remember, 178 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: we are counting down the days towards a virtual role 179 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: call that will basically secure the presumptive nominee. 180 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 11: But I think this is important. 181 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: It's that it's coming just days after President Biden, I believe, 182 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: in the last twenty four hours, released a letter to 183 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: his own party, a very public letter as well, outlining 184 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: only his policies, but making some very start comments saying 185 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: that this media speculation and this party speculation of him 186 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: stepping down needs to stop, and we need to be 187 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: united to prevent Donald Trump from a two point zero though, 188 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: was the verbatim from the letter that he circulated. Whether 189 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: or not that's actually carrying any weight is a big deal, 190 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: and I should mention the latest I think voice to 191 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: add to all of this is going to be Bernie Sanders. 192 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: We know that he of course brings a big voice 193 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: to the Democratic Party for international audience. He's far more 194 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: left leaning, very in touch with labor unions, etc. So 195 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: it has tended from a policy perspective, put a lot 196 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: of pressure on the Democratic agenda and of course the 197 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: Biden agenda. Not to mention the Clinton agenda before that. 198 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: It is important as well, though that he says that 199 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: the best way to prove cognitive ability is to go 200 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: out there to meet the people, to do the press tours, 201 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: et cetera. And you can see just in the last 202 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: twenty four hours in an unsolicited appearance on epsod BC 203 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: A followed by what again the campaign is calling aggressive 204 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: travel schedule to try to make that point. 205 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, President Joe Biden's telling MSNBC, I don't care 206 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: what the millionaires think. You know, who's trying to make 207 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: the point that he is running. He's not stepping back 208 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: in any way. Our Tvanka Kritty Gip to thank you 209 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: so much for being with us this morning when. 210 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 3: I made the pressure on President Biden. 211 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 4: He's hosting the leaders of thirty one NATO countries for 212 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 4: a three day summit in Washington. It's the seventy fifth 213 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 4: anniversary of the founding of the alliance amid the war 214 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 4: in Ukraine and to push by President Zelenski to obtain 215 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 4: more weapons from his allies. Let's bring in our EMA 216 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 4: and News director Rosalind Matheson for more ros. NATO seems 217 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 4: to be fortifying itself ahead of this summit against the 218 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 4: possibility of Donald Trump returning to the White House in November. 219 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 11: Well, that's right. 220 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 12: So this NATO's summit this week is a chance really 221 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 12: for NATO to reset itself a bit, to present this 222 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 12: idea of the alliance that is as strong and relevant as. 223 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 11: It was decades ago. 224 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 12: But you know, as Kritty was just pointing out, we've 225 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 12: got questions about, you know, the destructions around some of 226 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 12: the individual leaders. We've got real questions about what happens 227 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 12: to NATO after the US election in November. In the 228 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 12: event of a second Donald Trump presidency, because, as you 229 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 12: were saying, Donald Trump has been very dismissive of NATO. 230 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 11: He's been very dismissive. Also we continued. 231 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 12: Aid to Ukraine, and he's talked about, you know, the 232 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 12: US wouldn't actually defend certain member states within NATO unless 233 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 12: they're pulling their weight financially, which goes against the very core. 234 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 11: Of NATO, which is collective defense. 235 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 12: Does that mean that NATO really is fragmented and falls apart? 236 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 12: So there are fundamental questions about what the future US 237 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 12: involvement might be in NATO and what NATO might look 238 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 12: like in the coming years and decades. And against that backdrop, 239 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 12: of course of the US election campaign, which is really 240 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 12: threatening to kind of drive the narrative around this meeting 241 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 12: versus the broader questions around things like Ukraine and China. 242 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, what happens to Ukraine then, and if that 243 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,599 Speaker 2: is going to be the main focus of the summit today. 244 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 12: Well, I guess what President means Zlensky is looking for, 245 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 12: at least from the NATO summit is a proper pledge 246 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 12: that Ukraine can join NATO in a formal invitation to 247 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 12: join NATO and that's unlikely to come. What we're hearing 248 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 12: is there might be some wording around general security guarantees 249 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 12: and a future possibility of joining NATO, but not that 250 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 12: magic card that Zelinsky is looking for, and he'll be 251 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 12: disappointed about that. So there'll be possibly more pledges for 252 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 12: long term aid for Ukraine out of this, but not 253 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 12: that idea that Ukraine's going to get entree into NATO 254 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 12: anytime soon, And of course Ukraine would argue that that's 255 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 12: necessary to give it that long time and buffer against Russia. 256 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 12: So most of the conversation will be about the wording 257 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 12: of how to suggest that Ukraine has a pathway to 258 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 12: joining NATO at some point, but not yet that formal invitation. 259 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,599 Speaker 4: What about the questions or own defense spending rise? Is 260 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 4: that going to be an issue that could we could 261 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 4: see some progress on. 262 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 12: Well, it's interesting because Donald Trump has chat when he 263 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 12: was president, did challenge NATO member states saying they weren't 264 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 12: contributing enough of their own budgets to their own defense 265 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 12: and to the NATO defense, And there he actually did 266 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 12: have a point because a lot of countries in Europe 267 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 12: have not been meeting those commitments, and some have now 268 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 12: increased their defense spending, particularly again after Russia invaded Ukraine. 269 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 12: But that's going to be an ongoing question as we 270 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 12: look at some of the budgets across Europe in the 271 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 12: coming years, and even in the UK we've got Kirstarmer 272 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 12: the new leader, so questioning how much the UK can 273 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 12: contribute not just for its own defense but also for 274 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 12: the collective defense under NATO. 275 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 11: There will be further conversation around that. 276 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 12: Of course with the recent European parliamentary elections, with the 277 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 12: Right having done pretty well in the end in the 278 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 12: French election for example. In Germany, yeah, they're going to 279 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 12: be willing to continue to allow this kind of defense spending, 280 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 12: so big questions. 281 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 11: They are also in the ESA for that meeting. 282 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 4: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 283 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 4: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 284 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning on Apple, 285 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 286 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 4: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 287 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 4: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 288 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 289 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. 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