Speaker 1: I won't lend my body out be out weigh everything
Speaker 1: that I'm made do. Won't spend my life trying to change.
Speaker 1: I'm learning a love who I am, I get I'm strong,
Speaker 1: I feel free, I know who every part of me
Speaker 1: it is beautiful and I will always out way if
Speaker 1: you feel it with your hands in the air, She'll
Speaker 1: some love to the boy. Get there, say good day
Speaker 1: and time did you and die out? Welcome back to Outweigh.
Speaker 1: We're joined again by a Lenny, the amazing weight inclusive
Speaker 1: dietitian that we had on two weeks ago talking about
Speaker 1: what a weight inclusive dietitian is, um how eating disorders
Speaker 1: can exist within larger bodies, and so many other amazing
Speaker 1: conversations about how people in bigger bodies can take their
Speaker 1: power back by unlearning so much of what has been ingrained. So,
Speaker 1: like I said in that episode, we are really excited
Speaker 1: to have a Lenny back because she has a really
Speaker 1: interesting story that involves PCOS and even her own weight
Speaker 1: loss journey and then pivoting into becoming a weight inclusive dietitian.
Speaker 1: That being said, we want to put a trigger warning
Speaker 1: out there now that we are going to be talking
Speaker 1: about her weight lost journey in the context of what
Speaker 1: doctors told her to do and what happened. If that
Speaker 1: doesn't feel good for you at this time, go ahead
Speaker 1: and skip this episode, but we just want to let
Speaker 1: you know, so welcome back to Lenny. We're so excited
Speaker 1: to have you. Thank you so much for having me back.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have this conversation because PCOS is
Speaker 1: something that a lot of people don't really know a
Speaker 1: lot about. A lot of healthcare practitioners don't really know about,
Speaker 1: a lot of dietitians don't know a lot about. And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of misinformation and not such good information
Speaker 1: being perpetuated on social media. Um, there are very large
Speaker 1: accounts pushing narratives just that are not healthy mentally or
Speaker 1: physically for women or girls with PCOS, and so I
Speaker 1: think that this is really important, especially in the context
Speaker 1: of disordered eating and eating disorders, which it is very
Speaker 1: prevalent in this population. So let's kind of start from
Speaker 1: the basics of what PCOS is. When you were diagnosed,
Speaker 1: who diagnosed you? PCs is polycystic ovary syndrome. And what
Speaker 1: makes it difficult is that there are no definite, concrete symptoms.
Speaker 1: Everyone is kind of different. UM. I call it kind
Speaker 1: of like a spectrum. Some people have it not so
Speaker 1: seriously and other people haven't much more seriously. Some of
Speaker 1: the symptoms include elevated androgen levels in your lab values,
Speaker 1: So women with pcos who have this symptom um have
Speaker 1: a lot of excess hair growth, male pattern baldness, things
Speaker 1: like that. Another kinds of tell tale is really bad.
Speaker 1: Acne is another symptom. High body weight is considered a
Speaker 1: symptom as a result of the insulin resistance, which is
Speaker 1: something that is experienced with women with PCOS and most
Speaker 1: characteristically is not having your mental cycle or not having
Speaker 1: it frequently enough. So what were your symptoms specifically at
Speaker 1: the beginning. UM, I basically have had PCs my whole life,
Speaker 1: but I was not diagnosed until I was twenty by
Speaker 1: the dietitian that I started to see. She kind of
Speaker 1: took down all my symptoms and everything, and at that
Speaker 1: point I was over three hundred pounds and I had
Speaker 1: been essentially dieting my whole life since I was in
Speaker 1: third grade, and that's as young as I could remember.
Speaker 1: I had done like every single diet possible, and so
Speaker 1: my whole life, I was just searching for shrinking myself
Speaker 1: and it just kind of made it worse, Like it
Speaker 1: just kind of compounded, and that's how I ended up
Speaker 1: where I was. And so I would argue that at
Speaker 1: that point I was not in tune with myself. I
Speaker 1: was not in tune with my body. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know how to listen to my body. And so I
Speaker 1: had found this diet titian who inspired me to become
Speaker 1: a dietitian. Um. I was pre med at the time.
Speaker 1: I was in my junior year of college as a
Speaker 1: bio major cam miner. It was just, you know, it's
Speaker 1: difficult time. And so I had met her and I
Speaker 1: had told her I tried everything and like everyone was
Speaker 1: telling me, like you have to lose weight. And she
Speaker 1: was like, I think based on like your symptoms and
Speaker 1: just hearing about like your history, like you have something
Speaker 1: called PCOS And I was like, what is that. I
Speaker 1: had never heard of that before, and so she was
Speaker 1: the first person to tell me about it. And when
Speaker 1: I had gone to the guy in the collegist that
Speaker 1: I was seeing at the time and I told him,
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, no, that's crazy, you don't have it.
Speaker 1: He didn't even test me or anything. And so, like
Speaker 1: I said, it's difficult because certain lab values may or
Speaker 1: may not be within normal range. Some women with pcos
Speaker 1: have cysts on their ovaries, others don't. I personally do
Speaker 1: not have cysts on my ovaries. So it's it's a
Speaker 1: little bit difficult because sometimes it's not really diagnosed. And
Speaker 1: so not having your period is definitely one of those things, um,
Speaker 1: that I experienced. And I was just put on the pill.
Speaker 1: No one even thought like, Okay, what's going on underneath that.
Speaker 1: So you lost your period, that was a symptom. But
Speaker 1: like you said, you were so out of tune with
Speaker 1: your body at that point. The medical professional just said,
Speaker 1: go on the pill. Problem solved, period came back, didn't
Speaker 1: die further correct. And so I had started to see
Speaker 1: this dietitian and I had started to lose weight working
Speaker 1: with her. I never counted calories or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It was just like increasing the fiber that I ate
Speaker 1: throughout the day. But in this process of losing weight,
Speaker 1: because I had probably lost over a hundred pounds, I
Speaker 1: don't count, I don't weigh myself. Um. She would just
Speaker 1: tell me how much I had lost at the time,
Speaker 1: I developed much more severe disordered eating patterns where I
Speaker 1: became afraid of eating carbohydrates. I would restrict carbohydrates and
Speaker 1: then binge on them. And so in the process of
Speaker 1: doing something that I was being congratulated for because you
Speaker 1: have PCOS and now you're losing weight and it's going
Speaker 1: to fix everything, because that's kind of how healthcare practitioners approach.
Speaker 1: I mean, even like research focuses on what's the best
Speaker 1: diet to control weight in PCOS. And so when I
Speaker 1: did my mass just thesis, I focused on this because
Speaker 1: I was like, no one knows what's going on, Like
Speaker 1: all the studies were inconclusive, and that should just tell
Speaker 1: us that there is no one diet that's going to
Speaker 1: help every single person or every single woman with PCOS.
Speaker 1: And so the reason why I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: my experience as far as weight loss goes, is because
Speaker 1: I did lose the weight. And when I finally did
Speaker 1: get diagnosed by like an actual great kind ofcologists, my
Speaker 1: hormone levels were all over the place, and you know,
Speaker 1: I was still on the pill, so I didn't even
Speaker 1: know if my cycles were regular, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: that I felt like, Okay, well I lost all this weight,
Speaker 1: like I should be finding now, you know, that's kind
Speaker 1: of how I thought it was supposed to be UM,
Speaker 1: and it just wasn't the case. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's important to highlight that if someone comes to
Speaker 1: me and they're pre diabetic and they are of a
Speaker 1: normal sized body or a larger sete body, recommendations are
Speaker 1: the same. So I do have specific recommendations for PCUS,
Speaker 1: generally depending on the client. UM. I do find that
Speaker 1: including more fiber rich foods are good, but also I
Speaker 1: find that for most individuals in general. But it just
Speaker 1: monitoring what your symptoms are and trying to address them
Speaker 1: is really more important than focusing on weight loss, which
Speaker 1: is why I don't encourage it. Our promote intentional weight loss.
Speaker 1: So to back up for a second, you started seeing
Speaker 1: a registered dietitian, you were losing weight, you were being
Speaker 1: congratulated by people. You assumed that you must be improving
Speaker 1: your health because all the doctors and medical professionals said
Speaker 1: to improve symptoms of PCOS, lose weight. That will just,
Speaker 1: you know, blanket take care of all of your problems.
Speaker 1: At the same time, we kind of left off our
Speaker 1: last episode kind of talking about this. You were binging
Speaker 1: and restricting. You had a messed up relationship to carbohydrates
Speaker 1: because PCOS is a disorder that messes with ability to
Speaker 1: manage blood sugar, So your relationship to food, specifically carbohydrates
Speaker 1: is kind of messed up. You're binging, you're restricting, you're
Speaker 1: thinking about food all the time. But you're getting applauded
Speaker 1: and you assume that you're improving your health. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: hundred percent. That's confusing. Yeah, And like the thing is
Speaker 1: is that even though sciencests so advanced, especially when it
Speaker 1: comes to PCOS, there is just so much about the
Speaker 1: hormonal levels and how it influences so many different things
Speaker 1: that we just don't really know yet. And that's why
Speaker 1: women with PCs are more likely to have depression and
Speaker 1: anxiety and then disordered eating and eating disorders because a
Speaker 1: lot of the times you see women that lost a
Speaker 1: lot of weight made and instagram to talk about it,
Speaker 1: and then they're doing keto and low carbon all these things,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, disordered eating like
Speaker 1: kind of overtakes it, and then these women just end
Speaker 1: up in worse positions than they were before. So it
Speaker 1: could be very dangerous because this is a medical condition
Speaker 1: that impacts your insulin and your you know, blood sugar
Speaker 1: levels and all sorts of things like that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so I thought that that's what I was supposed to do.
Speaker 1: And you know, I had already not had a great
Speaker 1: relationship with food. But when you received the literal praise
Speaker 1: that I was receiving on a daily basis from everyone
Speaker 1: in my life, people that I worked with, my professors
Speaker 1: in college, like, it's very overwhelming. And so to get
Speaker 1: to a point where I started to gain weight back
Speaker 1: because I was over restricting and then overeating, and just
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to listen to my body. I
Speaker 1: didn't think that my body could be trusted because look
Speaker 1: at how it made me over three hundred pounds. Like
Speaker 1: I vilified myself because that's what society and health professionals
Speaker 1: told me. You know, obese is bad. It means that
Speaker 1: you're not in control. But me trying to put myself
Speaker 1: under control was what had got me there in the
Speaker 1: first place. For you, it just must be such a
Speaker 1: tumultuous journey from being on a diet when you're in
Speaker 1: third grade to dealing with this your entire life, to
Speaker 1: finally losing a significant amount of weight to arriving at
Speaker 1: this point where all of your I'm going to call
Speaker 1: it hard work. I don't know if that's how I
Speaker 1: feel about that word, or if that's how you describe it,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure at the time it felt like an accomplishment,
Speaker 1: whether it was or was not, because everybody was congratulating you,
Speaker 1: only to then, you know, find out that your health
Speaker 1: markers still haven't improved, you still have to learn how
Speaker 1: to manage PCOS. Is a little bit of a mind fork,
Speaker 1: I'll call it, for sure. And the crazy part is
Speaker 1: is that I was just so desperate to lose weight
Speaker 1: that like it wasn't even I mean I was, you know,
Speaker 1: much younger at the time. This was about ten years ago,
Speaker 1: but you know, I was just still so hung up
Speaker 1: on the fact that, like I had to lose weight
Speaker 1: because that's all people would talk about, and that's what
Speaker 1: people would concert and me asked me, like, what's your goal?
Speaker 1: Like how much do you more do you want to lose?
Speaker 1: And I was just like, I don't know, Like I
Speaker 1: did have a part of me that was like, well,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, is what it will be, and I
Speaker 1: don't have a plan, but I just kept chasing this
Speaker 1: idea and so in the pursuit of health, I made
Speaker 1: my relationship with food even worse and my hormones didn't
Speaker 1: even get better. So I was kind of like, oh no,
Speaker 1: like what was the point of all of this, you know.
Speaker 1: And to explain this to people who are who have
Speaker 1: pcdos or just in general who are in larger sized
Speaker 1: bodies who are being told like you have to lose
Speaker 1: weight for your health, I mean, it's just such a
Speaker 1: negative way that people look at themselves because of this,
Speaker 1: and it's so ingrained that I didn't even realize how
Speaker 1: much it impacted me. And to get to a point,
Speaker 1: like I said last episode, to say like I had
Speaker 1: gained weight back, and I don't know how much it was,
Speaker 1: but I was just so like I just felt like something,
Speaker 1: I mean, was like I can't keep doing this anymore,
Speaker 1: Like I have to do something else. And one of
Speaker 1: the fear foods that I had was oatmeal. I know
Speaker 1: that sounds crazy, but oatmeal is just carves, it's and
Speaker 1: it's not even high in fiber. Like I just remember
Speaker 1: hearing myself in my head saying that, and I ended
Speaker 1: up starting to eat oatmeal in the morning every single
Speaker 1: day for breakfast because I enjoyed it. It was convenient,
Speaker 1: and I like added things like ground flax seed and
Speaker 1: peanut butter and cocoun nibs and strawberries, and it was, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it was slowly how I healed my relationship
Speaker 1: with food, reintroducing foods that I was afraid of. In
Speaker 1: the process, my weight has come down. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much or whatever, but I could tell by how
Speaker 1: things were fitting me, and essentially, like my body has
Speaker 1: maintained where I am with working out and everything. Maybe
Speaker 1: it continues to go down a little bit more or
Speaker 1: maybe it goes up. I'm not sure, but like I
Speaker 1: go to the gynecologists every six months, I look at
Speaker 1: my labs um one of the telltale signs of knowing
Speaker 1: that what I've been eating and act being more intuitive
Speaker 1: with what I'm eating and listening to my body. I
Speaker 1: didn't have cysts on my ovaries. I had enlarged ovaries,
Speaker 1: and over the years and over time, my ovaries actually
Speaker 1: came back down to like a normal size range. So
Speaker 1: like that was a way of me knowing that this
Speaker 1: was something that was good and so something that I
Speaker 1: think is important to highlight is just because I don't
Speaker 1: promote intentional weight loss and I don't promote diets doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that I can't use like gentle nutrition and like
Speaker 1: principles that we know that do impact like lab values.
Speaker 1: For example, So if you have you know, a high
Speaker 1: your your blood sugar control isn't good and you have
Speaker 1: PCUS or if you're pre diabetic or diabetic, there are
Speaker 1: things that we could do that can like kind of
Speaker 1: help balance out your blood sugar that still can eat intuitively.
Speaker 1: And there are studies that are being done that to
Speaker 1: not look at PCUS, but diabetics in general and looking
Speaker 1: at blood sugar control while intuitive eating, and it has
Speaker 1: been shown that there are some benefits to it. I mean,
Speaker 1: these studies are not very in depth, and you know,
Speaker 1: as with most studies, you know, more studies need to
Speaker 1: be done. But there is a way to help heal
Speaker 1: your pcos or whatever it may be while still healing
Speaker 1: your relationship with food. And like you said, your relationship
Speaker 1: to food and your lab values started to improve when
Speaker 1: you brought the things in that you couldn't eat, when
Speaker 1: you made food fun. Adding peanut butter accounted like what
Speaker 1: a positive approach to nutrition essentially, which is I think
Speaker 1: is kind of like what you're about. And I just
Speaker 1: want to touch on one thing you said earlier, which
Speaker 1: you said science is advanced, and it is, but the
Speaker 1: most humbling thing that I always returned to is that
Speaker 1: nutrition and science is actually young. No matter how advanced
Speaker 1: it is, it's always going to be young, and we
Speaker 1: need to stay humble and recognize that everything we know,
Speaker 1: the more we know over time, we still only understand
Speaker 1: a fraction of it all because we're only human beings
Speaker 1: trying to solve the most complex, you know, puzzle of
Speaker 1: all time, many of which the variables are always changing
Speaker 1: as a result of nature and and the life that
Speaker 1: we do live. In a post that you wrote, you said,
Speaker 1: lowering your weight will improve your health outcomes possibly, but
Speaker 1: for healthy long term goals to be reached, the behaviors
Speaker 1: need to be suitable for your body. And I love
Speaker 1: that sentence because in medicine we see, or we're trained
Speaker 1: to be told that if we just fix the number,
Speaker 1: the lab values will improve. And I think, like you said,
Speaker 1: that sends a lot of people who don't have that
Speaker 1: wake up call like you did on a lifelong journey
Speaker 1: of painful dieting, because dieting is not just eating a
Speaker 1: certain way, it's living a certain way, it's thinking a
Speaker 1: certain way. It's losing your life to something else externally
Speaker 1: under the guys of health. So I think it's it's
Speaker 1: so interesting to really pay attention to yourself, not just
Speaker 1: at a three month marker of being on a diet
Speaker 1: or a year, but the long term outcomes and lift
Speaker 1: up what's under the hood. So even if your doctor's
Speaker 1: congratulating you and your lab values are improved, there are
Speaker 1: people who are going to lose weight and they're you know,
Speaker 1: their blood sugar is going to improve, or maybe their
Speaker 1: PCOS symptoms will improve. It will be because of a
Speaker 1: lot of other things. But they'll chalk it up to
Speaker 1: the weight. So how can we get people to look
Speaker 1: under the hood and say, am I really okay? Even
Speaker 1: though everyone seems to think I'm okay? Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: a good point to look under the hood. And for me,
Speaker 1: what I realized just as a practitioner that I had
Speaker 1: clients that improved their lab values. There are weight didn't
Speaker 1: really change, but they started to have their their mind
Speaker 1: still psychle more regular, which means that their hormones were
Speaker 1: kind of balanceding out. So using weight in general just
Speaker 1: isn't my I'm not a fan of. And I've had
Speaker 1: many conversations with physicians of my clients about this, specifically,
Speaker 1: like we're not going to weigh this patient. This patient
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be weighed, Like, please don't weigh this
Speaker 1: patient because then, you know, for some people it's very triggering,
Speaker 1: you know, like I feel great, my lab values are great,
Speaker 1: but like the scale hasn't moved, and you know, so
Speaker 1: I don't weigh my clients. Um, I don't encourage them
Speaker 1: to be weighed. You're looking under the hood. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're asking them how they feel, you're getting the lab values,
Speaker 1: You're making sure that they're good without them being thrown
Speaker 1: off by this external variable. And I think it's important
Speaker 1: to realize, like when you talk about health, what does
Speaker 1: that actually mean? It's different for everyone. So let's say
Speaker 1: you have PCs, and like I said, it's like a spectrum.
Speaker 1: And one of the studies that I looked at in
Speaker 1: my thesis from when I was doing my masters was
Speaker 1: that regardless of weight status, women with pcos experience insulin resistance.
Speaker 1: So even in a normal quote unquote normal weighted women
Speaker 1: with PCUS still exhibited insulin resistance whether they were overweight, obese,
Speaker 1: or regular sized. And so to me, that's like very telling, Like, well,
Speaker 1: so someone comes to they have abnormal lab values but
Speaker 1: they're of a normal weight, what do you recommend? You
Speaker 1: don't recommend weight loss? You like, you know, you figure
Speaker 1: out what depending on what the lab value is and
Speaker 1: what nutritionally we can actually do. But again, it also
Speaker 1: depends on where you are in your relationship with food.
Speaker 1: If you have a poor relationship with food and you've
Speaker 1: been dieting and you're exhibiting disordered eating habits, I don't
Speaker 1: care about anything else. We need to work on that first.
Speaker 1: And so it just really depends on the situation. So
Speaker 1: the last question I have for you is you're obviously
Speaker 1: a weight inclusive dietitian now and you're really helping people
Speaker 1: prioritize their health condition. A lot of us out there
Speaker 1: work with the generalized population of disordered eating, but to
Speaker 1: take it a step further and help people that oftentimes
Speaker 1: need more gentle nutrition shin or maybe less gentle they
Speaker 1: need more coaching on how to I just call it
Speaker 1: nutrition education. Really, like they need to learn how to eat,
Speaker 1: to manage their blood sugar or things like that. It's
Speaker 1: so important that we have people like you in the
Speaker 1: field to do so. So I'd love to kind of
Speaker 1: just I know we're kind of going backwards here, but
Speaker 1: what is a weight inclusive dietitian and what made you
Speaker 1: pivot into becoming one? Like I said on the last episode,
Speaker 1: I was noticing a lot of these disordered habits and
Speaker 1: clients that came to me in a larger body size
Speaker 1: that came to me because they wanted to lose weight.
Speaker 1: And when I explained to them that these habits are
Speaker 1: disordered and this is not a healthy way to live,
Speaker 1: it was kind of like eye opening. But they're like,
Speaker 1: but I'm, you know, overweight, Like how can I have
Speaker 1: disordered eating or you know, and eating disorder? And I
Speaker 1: was like, this is what the habits mean, and you
Speaker 1: deserve to heal your relationship with food before we do
Speaker 1: anything else. And even women in larger sized bodies could
Speaker 1: have very just sort of relationships with movement and exercise.
Speaker 1: And there are patients of mine that are in larger
Speaker 1: sized bodies that we're working on hearing their relationship with food,
Speaker 1: and I don't recommend for them to exercise because they
Speaker 1: have such a disordered relationship, meaning that they try to
Speaker 1: subconsciously burn a certain amount of calories. They have the
Speaker 1: Apple Watch, and now the big thing with the peloton,
Speaker 1: how it like ranks you and you know all these things.
Speaker 1: So I love my peloton. I have no idea how
Speaker 1: to even like know what the rankings are, which I
Speaker 1: guess I don't even know what the numbers mean. So
Speaker 1: it's funny to me that people are getting so roped
Speaker 1: up into this, but especially during the past year when
Speaker 1: it's like the Year of the Peloton, Like I even
Speaker 1: was like, should I get a peloton even though like
Speaker 1: I hate bicycling, Like this's just know everyone's different and
Speaker 1: so but like if that's what you like, and then
Speaker 1: a percent, that's amazing. But I a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't realize, like, just because you're in a large sized
Speaker 1: body doesn't mean you need to force yourself to move
Speaker 1: your move your body needs to lose weight or to
Speaker 1: earn food or to earn off the food that you're
Speaker 1: eating later. And a lot of these thoughts are so
Speaker 1: subconscious that people didn't even realize that this is what
Speaker 1: they were experiencing, so I realized that I was doing
Speaker 1: a disservice to let them. Like, helping someone lose weight,
Speaker 1: for the most part, is really not hard, but the
Speaker 1: idea of what's maintainable and what's actually healthy that's the
Speaker 1: hard part. And so like I explained to my clients,
Speaker 1: when someone first comes to me, their intention maybe to
Speaker 1: lose weight, and I explained him that is not what
Speaker 1: I do. Like, you may lose weight while this you
Speaker 1: are going on this journey, but you may not. You
Speaker 1: may gain weight, may stay exactly the same. But feeling
Speaker 1: free around food is like the most liberating thing when
Speaker 1: you don't even think about it. It's freedom period, because
Speaker 1: I mean, food is happening multiple times a day, and
Speaker 1: food jail, you're in jail. And I didn't even realize
Speaker 1: that when I was going through my apparance, like how
Speaker 1: my habits were so disordered when friends of mine stf
Speaker 1: like we would go out to eat and I would
Speaker 1: be so specific about what I would order, and they
Speaker 1: would be like, I couldn't go to a fond restaurant
Speaker 1: because of whatever reason, or I didn't want to order
Speaker 1: dessert for whatever reason. And I thought I was doing
Speaker 1: it in the name of health. But if you think
Speaker 1: about it, how healthy is that? Really? Like you should
Speaker 1: be able to eat what makes you feel good, and
Speaker 1: sometimes some foods make you feel good and sometimes some
Speaker 1: foods don't make you feel good. But actually getting to
Speaker 1: decide what that Maybe the healthiness is not in whether
Speaker 1: you're eating it or not. It's in the trust of
Speaker 1: yourself to be president in that moment, trust the feedback
Speaker 1: of your body, whether it's this chocolate fond for like,
Speaker 1: you know, like that example tastes good, or this chocolate
Speaker 1: fondu is too sweet, or or just it's fun to
Speaker 1: eat fond with my friends. You know exactly when I
Speaker 1: decided that that is the message that I wanted to promote.
Speaker 1: I wanted people to recognize me as a weight inclusive
Speaker 1: dietitian is because your weight has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the work that we do together. It's just they're just
Speaker 1: like the skies. They're just like you know, your cars there,
Speaker 1: whatever is in front of you. It's just something that's there.
Speaker 1: But for most of your life having such a tumultuous,
Speaker 1: as you explained, relationship with food, to be able to
Speaker 1: pull someone out of that and for them to realize
Speaker 1: really how like out of tune they are with their bodies,
Speaker 1: and then for them to be able to get back
Speaker 1: to that center where they're like able to be in
Speaker 1: tune with their bodies and to listen to what their
Speaker 1: bodies are telling them is like the most amazing feeling
Speaker 1: for someone to feel. And so that's why I always
Speaker 1: highlight on like what the habits are and what what
Speaker 1: habits actually improve your health. And that's what's important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think I hope that everybody listening really here's
Speaker 1: that there is a place where you can go to
Speaker 1: talk about nutrition and talk about your health where your
Speaker 1: weight will not be the focus and you or emotional
Speaker 1: needs as well as your health behaviors will be prioritized.
Speaker 1: And I think you know, Lenny, your voice just shines
Speaker 1: through as such a compassionate place where you know you
Speaker 1: don't just work with pcos right, anybody could work with you.
Speaker 1: So we'll put all of your information below your wonderful resource.
Speaker 1: And I thank you so much for being on not
Speaker 1: just one, but two episodes. If you missed our last episode,
Speaker 1: go back and check that out. Both of them were
Speaker 1: really a great mix I feel like of your personal
Speaker 1: story as well as your professional path. So thank you
Speaker 1: so much, Thank you so much for having me. It's
Speaker 1: been really great, and I hope that people who are
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