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Speaker 1: or a lack thereof, with me an all star panel

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Speaker 1: How did that happen? To a superstar? With me? Doctor

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, founder director of the Coldcase Research Institute at

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Speaker 1: but first to Lana Wood, acclaimed actress, producer and author

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Speaker 1: Mysterious Death of Natalie Wood. Okay, Cheryl, there's just so

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Speaker 1: much evidence, so much in the new book. Do you

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Speaker 1: to the lapd Well. I mean, as you know, I've

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Speaker 1: called to them myself, and I'll tell you where I

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Speaker 1: think all their focus needs to be. But I think

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Speaker 1: it's important for people to remember that Natalie divorced Robert

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Speaker 1: Wagner want so. Their marriage clearly had some past issues,

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Speaker 1: There's no question about it. She spent the night before

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Speaker 1: on that boat with him. Her right for thigh, her knee,

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Speaker 1: the back of her right leg. And here's something that

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Speaker 1: really stands out for me. She still had three hundred

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Speaker 1: was not conscious when she went in the water. A

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Speaker 1: live person fighting drownding will void of urine. Yes, Lanna,

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Speaker 1: would you have put this is a labor of love

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Speaker 1: and a quest for justice your knee, but little sister,

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Speaker 1: my investigation into the mysterious death of Natalie. Would Lanna,

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Speaker 1: should I go ahead and ordered on Amazon and send

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Speaker 1: it to the La County Sheriff's Department. You think that

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Speaker 1: might help them get off the pot. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I wish it would. In the words of Lieutenant John Carina,

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Speaker 1: he said, or all we know is there were two

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Speaker 1: it all. I mean, alexis Terurez Schuk, you are joining

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Speaker 1: us from laf What is the problem. I don't understand

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Speaker 1: why there are no charges. The problem is is that

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Speaker 1: Robert Wagner is and was a huge star at the time,

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Speaker 1: and his and the investigation they believed him, that they

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Speaker 1: believed what he said. They believed when he said, you know,

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Speaker 1: we had a fight. I went away. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: what happened and we waited. She had a party reputation.

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Speaker 1: They believed him, The investigators believed him. So now all

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Speaker 1: these years later, and it didn't help that the captain

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Speaker 1: which he has now said. He told Lanta this, He

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Speaker 1: said this in several interviews. He told you he did

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Speaker 1: not tell the truth in the beginning. So the investigators

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Speaker 1: were not working with the whole story. But now they are.

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Speaker 1: Alexis right. They can suck out a liar, But at

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Speaker 1: the time they didn't have a details. Now you know,

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Speaker 1: there is a new district attorney in Los Angeles. I

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Speaker 1: believe the district attorney who said they needed a smoking

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Speaker 1: they would go after. What about Atlanta Wood. Do you

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Speaker 1: think there's any chance with the new DA in town.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. I wish, you know, all of

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Speaker 1: these things are hopeful for me, but I won't count

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Speaker 1: on them because he's gone unscathed for far too many years. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he was a star, he was important. He also I

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Speaker 1: think what is not being taken into consideration. She was

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Speaker 1: very well connected. The attorney handling all this, John Ziffren,

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Speaker 1: was mentored by a known fixer for the Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles mob. It's it's been written about several times.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because then r J also gave that

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Speaker 1: attorney's son a job on his series Heart to Heart,

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Speaker 1: So he had power and money and the assemblance of

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Speaker 1: what a star should be. People are very taken by

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Speaker 1: all of those things. I don't think they would be today,

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Speaker 1: but they certainly were then. Glada. What do you think

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Speaker 1: Natalie's reaction would be to know you have written and

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Speaker 1: published this book and it's just coming out, guys, I

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Speaker 1: think she would be moved two tears and say thank you,

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Speaker 1: Please keep trying, because you tell me, what is your

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Speaker 1: goal in going forward with this book. I will want

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Speaker 1: the truth out there, the simple, undeluded truth from our

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Speaker 1: J's mouth. That's what I want. I don't care if

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Speaker 1: he's arrested or not arrested. You know, everybody says to me, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, poor man, he's ninety one. Now, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: And my sister will never see ninety one or sixty

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Speaker 1: or seventy or you know, she's gone. She was wrenched

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Speaker 1: feel badly and think that I should make some sort

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Speaker 1: of concession because he's ninety one. I want him to

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Speaker 1: stop all this crazy, absolutely crazy craft and tell the truth.

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Speaker 1: I think the only real way to get even a

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Speaker 1: rough shot at the truth is to convey a grand

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Speaker 1: jury in this matter. The brand new book Little Sister,

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Speaker 1: My Investigation into the mysterious death of Natalie Wood on

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Speaker 1: Amazon and it's pretty incredible. Nancy Grace's crime Stories signing

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Speaker 1: off Goodbye friend,