Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. You guys know
Speaker 1: the drill. We come to you every Wednesday. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. This week, a really good, feel good story
Speaker 1: might not be someone that you know, but Jose Campra,
Speaker 1: who has caddied on the PGA Tour. He's been caddying for,
Speaker 1: I don't know over ten years now, currently caddies for
Speaker 1: Sebastian Munos, who plays his golf on live. But Jose
Speaker 1: is also he played college golf in America, won the
Speaker 1: Argentinian AM So he's a very very good player and
Speaker 1: an incredible instructor and he has been working this past
Speaker 1: year with Camilla Vijegas and Camillo just got his first
Speaker 1: win in almost a decade. Jose was a big part
Speaker 1: of that and I wanted to get him on and again,
Speaker 1: not somebody that maybe everybody knows about, but I think
Speaker 1: one of the jobs that that I want to do
Speaker 1: with this podcast is bring you guys some different stories,
Speaker 1: maybe some stuff that you didn't know. And I think
Speaker 1: with all of the crazy stuff going on in the
Speaker 1: golf landscape at the professional level right now, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of negative things, but to me, you've got a
Speaker 1: guy that's Argentinian caddying professionally, working with a player that's
Speaker 1: just won a PGA Tour event. I can't think of
Speaker 1: a better feel good story. So I'm really excited for
Speaker 1: everybody to get a chance to listen to Jose and
Speaker 1: it's a really, really good one. Enjoy.
Speaker 2: My guest today is Jose Campra.
Speaker 1: Jose, your day job is cattying for Sebastian Munios and
Speaker 1: you've caddy for a bunch of players, but a big
Speaker 1: win over the weekend for your other job, which is
Speaker 1: a golf instructor.
Speaker 2: You and Camilla Viegas.
Speaker 1: Camilla gas its first win in nine years and gave
Speaker 1: you a lot of credit. And there aren't many Catties
Speaker 1: that are kind of moonlighting as golf instructors.
Speaker 2: So to me, it's a great story.
Speaker 1: And how did you and Camillo get hooked up? I'm
Speaker 1: guessing maybe something had to do with President's cup when
Speaker 1: you spent some time with him when he was a
Speaker 1: vice captain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how are you Clouds? So it's you know, like
Speaker 2: you said, it's it's it's kind of funny, but I
Speaker 2: guess it has to do with a love for the game,
Speaker 2: you know, I've been around this for so long and
Speaker 2: I've always been kind of interested in everything, and Katine
Speaker 2: started being my way of earning leaving, you know, in
Speaker 2: Argentina was you know, the golf industry is, you know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of tough, and I had my experience in
Speaker 2: the US, so I decided to do Kadin full time.
Speaker 2: But then on the side, I was always you know,
Speaker 2: teaching and trying to learn. I mean, one time, I
Speaker 2: even want to shadow you and your dad for yeah,
Speaker 2: you came. You came in that time here Florida exactly exactly,
Speaker 2: and that was probably ten, I don't even know, ten
Speaker 2: twelve years ago, and that's kind of how I did
Speaker 2: it through the years. And going back to Camillo, Yes,
Speaker 2: we know each other for a long time. He's two
Speaker 2: years younger than me. We play a lot of junior
Speaker 2: golf together. Because he was a superstar. He was two
Speaker 2: years younger. He was beating us, so I mean, so
Speaker 2: I had to I play some golf with him, and
Speaker 2: then I lost track of him. He went to Florida
Speaker 2: and he started to be a superstar. But you know,
Speaker 2: after some time, when I went to caddy for Cabret
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen, I started hanging out with him again.
Speaker 2: So I've been seeing him for the last ten years.
Speaker 2: We have a great relationship, but it didn't come up
Speaker 2: until Torri Pines is year in Farmers So you know,
Speaker 2: I see him through the years playing golf, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of struggling with his game. But I would never
Speaker 2: ever make a comment, you know, we'll hang up for
Speaker 2: the inner stuff that I never make a comedy of golf.
Speaker 2: Everything would be some other subject. And I guess you know.
Speaker 2: The week of Tori, I was Alsebastian. We both off
Speaker 2: musicat we play in the same wave and I go
Speaker 2: back to the caddy Launchentorian there he is hit them
Speaker 2: balls and he reached out to me. He called me
Speaker 2: and he said, look, man, are you willing to help me?
Speaker 2: And that's where that's where it all started.
Speaker 1: When you get a call like that. Whose I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you've watched the guy like Kimbello play and I
Speaker 1: think you know the struggles that Kimbillo's had over the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, you know, with the death of
Speaker 1: his young daughter. People forget Kimbillo in twenty was the
Speaker 1: twenty he was twenty fourteen, he was he was up
Speaker 1: end in the world, right, he's like, he like.
Speaker 2: I think I think he was top ten in the
Speaker 2: world up until like twenty ten. Then he started, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then twenty fourteen he won out of kind of nowhere.
Speaker 2: He won in Windom. You know, he was starting to
Speaker 2: kind of struggle a little bit and want in Windom.
Speaker 2: And then you know, after that, you know a lot
Speaker 2: of things happening. He's you know, professional life and also
Speaker 2: you know, personal life, and you know that, you know,
Speaker 2: it was really hard for him, you know, but like
Speaker 2: what he said, you know, I think the main thing
Speaker 2: for him was he never stopped working up early and
Speaker 2: you know, and trying. I told him, look, we have
Speaker 2: a plan. If you're going to stick to this, this
Speaker 2: is gonna take some time, I said. I like giving
Speaker 2: my students a dayline. So I told him, look for
Speaker 2: you to be competitive again, it might take you close
Speaker 2: to an year. So I mean, are you willing? He said, yes,
Speaker 2: I'll do it. So when we started saying, you called
Speaker 2: me twice a week because I'm away with Sebastian, I
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of time to see you in person,
Speaker 2: and I need to make sure I can keep you.
Speaker 2: Your confidence level has to stay the same because I
Speaker 2: have to keep him motivated in the progress, in the process.
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, if we play some bad courses
Speaker 2: for him and he should sober eighty, he's done, he's out,
Speaker 2: so you know, but obviously Camilla wanted to play a lot.
Speaker 2: He played. I remember the week before Hunt, I told him,
Speaker 2: please play home and obviously, you know, it was it
Speaker 2: was not the best week for him. But but I
Speaker 2: could see, you know, through time that he started getting it,
Speaker 2: knowing what the main things were. He started peeoting better,
Speaker 2: lo opened with every club, started getting you know, in
Speaker 2: front of him, the path face and path started getting
Speaker 2: you know, more too left, and I started seeing his
Speaker 2: like his person started to be a lot less right.
Speaker 2: So once we got that, then he kept competing on
Speaker 2: the contrary, and we kind of you know how Camdo
Speaker 2: has always been like really short on the backswing.
Speaker 1: Very sure. I mean, he's he's always been really really compact.
Speaker 2: So I will, I will get like videos of him
Speaker 2: through time, and I could see that through the years
Speaker 2: he was still getting like shorter and shorter, and the
Speaker 2: shorter he gets under pressure, the more he was lighting,
Speaker 2: he was lighting, it was you know, dropping inside, and
Speaker 2: like I said, a lot of how dragging and will
Speaker 2: come a load in curbing life. So once he started
Speaker 2: developing and getting to understand how to people better and
Speaker 2: cleaning out a lot of the sliding with the hips,
Speaker 2: then we started doing a lot of Remember how Big
Speaker 2: used to do, like long swings, long swings, a lot
Speaker 2: of mobility. We started doing a lot of that because
Speaker 2: I started seeing how from him being able to do
Speaker 2: longer swings, then his pelvis started to kill better in
Speaker 2: the first part of the down screen, and obviously from
Speaker 2: here from then on he started getting how he could,
Speaker 2: like usual, to grown better and started getting better out
Speaker 2: of it. So you know, it took, like I said,
Speaker 2: it took a good six seven months for him to
Speaker 2: kind of understand the whole picture. And through the process
Speaker 2: we went through a lot of different drills that kind
Speaker 2: of get him where we wanted to. And I don't
Speaker 2: know by August Claude, I remember going to his house
Speaker 2: and telling him I think we're gonna play the Masters again,
Speaker 2: and he looked at me and said, all your horses.
Speaker 2: He said, we need to win, and I said, I
Speaker 2: think we can do it. I mean, because it gets
Speaker 2: to a point cloud for me where I knew it
Speaker 2: was going to be. Is he able to go through
Speaker 2: the big changes early on? And once he starts getting it,
Speaker 2: I need to wait for all this car tissues to
Speaker 2: go away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the scar tissue is what the scar tissue
Speaker 1: for players, And I think it's important that everybody listening
Speaker 1: understands that the score tissue doesn't come from the driving range, right.
Speaker 1: The scar tissue doesn't get built up as you stand
Speaker 1: there and build you know, and hit ball after ball
Speaker 1: after ball on the range. The scar tissue comes from
Speaker 1: you hit balls on the range. You do all this practice,
Speaker 1: and then you go out on the golf course and
Speaker 1: you still hit one out of bounds, you still hit
Speaker 1: one in the water. And you know. Camillo is the
Speaker 1: type of player to where he had a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of success very early in his career. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was one of the top ten best player in the world.
Speaker 1: He was a guy that a lot of people thought had,
Speaker 1: you know, the type of game and the type of
Speaker 1: swagger that he could compete in big tournaments. And then
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, almost nine years of not winning
Speaker 1: the score tissue on the golf course. And you see
Speaker 1: it from both standpoints, which I think is really interesting
Speaker 1: because you see from an instruction standpoint, but then obviously
Speaker 1: being a full time caddy, you understand how difficult it
Speaker 1: can be sometimes to take what you're doing on the
Speaker 1: driving range and take it to the golf course exactly.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you, you know, like most
Speaker 2: you know, golf funds or people that watch golf on TV,
Speaker 2: don't you know, there's a few things that we see
Speaker 2: because we are out there, and there's no worse car
Speaker 2: tissue than hitting those really bad shots when you're playing
Speaker 2: to make a cat, not to win. It's different. And
Speaker 2: he's been on that position, fighting for cats for the
Speaker 2: last seven eight years, and he will get out of
Speaker 2: the cut line and there it goes, you know that
Speaker 2: that cook or wave right comes out, and you know
Speaker 2: it just it feels like someone hits you in the
Speaker 2: head with the hammer, and you know how, you start
Speaker 2: all over again next week. So I kind of knew
Speaker 2: when I started seeing, you know, the progress on his
Speaker 2: golf in that the next step was to you know,
Speaker 2: get that out of the system, and slowly started to
Speaker 2: get better. I went to Jupiter, you know, maybe three
Speaker 2: times the last two months, and I was there right
Speaker 2: before Mexico and and man those two days after we
Speaker 2: played Miami before Mexico or unbelievable. We did a lot
Speaker 2: of work. We did a lot of work. I like
Speaker 2: to take him after we do some of the mechanic
Speaker 2: work I like to do and put him in course
Speaker 2: like course conditions, like I would take him out to
Speaker 2: the to the ferry bankers just to do low poond drills,
Speaker 2: you know, just to make sure the low po is
Speaker 2: some you know, in a good spot. Then I would
Speaker 2: take him out on any of the courses there in
Speaker 2: Jupiter and get that left right wing with trouble left,
Speaker 2: and I go, go and ask him to hit me
Speaker 2: ten twenty balls. Just I need you to ride with
Speaker 2: the win. I don't need you if I just ride
Speaker 2: the wind, which is totally opposite of what he's been
Speaker 2: doing and seeing himself for the last ten years. So
Speaker 2: you know, I needed him to get himself in a
Speaker 2: position on the course, on the practice range where he
Speaker 2: could actually feel, well he's gonna feel when he gets
Speaker 2: under pressure again. And he's just been great, you know,
Speaker 2: he's just you know, he was always willing to do it.
Speaker 2: He was always in a good spirits to do it.
Speaker 2: Even though club. Two weeks ago, when I went to
Speaker 2: see in Miami, he told me, I'm playing second stage.
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be playing second stage. Today's week today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's supposed to. And they're playing at a club called Tasorro,
Speaker 1: which is about five ten minutes down the road for
Speaker 1: me here at the Floridian. He mentioned that in his interview.
Speaker 1: He was like, Okay, I've got to go to second stage.
Speaker 1: Does the win give him because I remember a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago some of the wins in the wrap
Speaker 1: around weren't kind of a normal win. So does he
Speaker 1: get the two years, does he get into the Masters?
Speaker 1: Does all of that happen or is this one of
Speaker 1: those weird ones?
Speaker 2: Crazy enough, Cloud, I thought the same thing. I thought, Well,
Speaker 2: he wins, you know, he gets a car, that's it.
Speaker 2: But I'm looking on TV and he gets the whole thing.
Speaker 2: It's a big event. He's a normal gun. So he's
Speaker 2: back in the Masters, he's back in the Majors, he's
Speaker 2: backing the Elevator events. So I mean, it's just I
Speaker 2: couldn't not write the script any better. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just been unreal, to be honest. I mean, it's one
Speaker 2: of those things that you know, what was it timing?
Speaker 2: And you know, the first person I called, the first
Speaker 2: person I called when he won, it was his brother Money.
Speaker 2: Money works for Man.
Speaker 1: It's man. He's caddying for Seawood.
Speaker 2: Now. The reason why I call him, he's funny. This
Speaker 2: is really funny Cloud. The reason why I called me
Speaker 2: is because we love Camillo and we we were on
Speaker 2: tour he was working for Seawan with Sebastian and we
Speaker 2: always follow him just to see how he's doing in
Speaker 2: the past. And the week we're in in Palm Springs
Speaker 2: and Camillo is somewhere in Latin America playing conferring. He
Speaker 2: calls Money. Sitting next to me. He goes, well, I
Speaker 2: just got in in Tory Pines and Manny goes, like,
Speaker 2: I think he should stay playing the corn ferr events,
Speaker 2: and he said no, no, no, I'm gonna go. And
Speaker 2: Manny's looking at me and said Tory the South course,
Speaker 2: the way he's driving the wall, and and you know,
Speaker 2: he goes to Torry Pines and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: he starts working with me and he goes, he's gonna
Speaker 2: he's gonna say that he needed to go there just
Speaker 2: to start working. This all happened because he made the
Speaker 2: right decision. You know, like you know everything, you know
Speaker 2: the timing it happens for some reason. It was crazy.
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Speaker 1: of times low point and it's a phrase you know
Speaker 1: that we use an instruction from a you know, from
Speaker 1: a launch bonder standpoint. But for everyone listening, explain what
Speaker 1: kind of you think and feel low point is and
Speaker 1: how that can affect players and they're shots.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I don't probably know the exact phrase
Speaker 2: that you know Truckman uses for Lopal, but mainly is
Speaker 2: where the club when the club make contact with the
Speaker 2: ball exactly where it's hitting. So if we use like
Speaker 2: a semi circle right semi circle, and we have the
Speaker 2: ball right on a neutral position in the stands and
Speaker 2: the ball is you know, the club. Obviously with an iron,
Speaker 2: we want the lopo to be forward in front of
Speaker 2: the ball. With the drivers the only club that we
Speaker 2: wanted to be before the ball because we we're in
Speaker 2: most cases hitting up on it, some players hit down
Speaker 2: on it doesn't matter, but I mean in the in
Speaker 2: an ideal situation, we want the lobo to be before.
Speaker 2: But also at the same time, the logo can affect
Speaker 2: or can tell us which way is the direction of
Speaker 2: the swing moving Again, in the semi circle, if the
Speaker 2: lopo is too far back, it's probably because it's the
Speaker 2: swing is moving too far to the right. So that
Speaker 2: was the the case to Camille. If we go to
Speaker 2: the amateurs and you know, we see most of the slicers,
Speaker 2: you know, on the range, most of them have the
Speaker 2: lobo way forward with the swing movie maybe eight ten,
Speaker 2: nine degrees to left. And obviously that's a result of
Speaker 2: something that happened way earlier. But that's a description, you know,
Speaker 2: where the club is hitting in relation to the ball
Speaker 2: and which direction the swing is moving. Also, we need
Speaker 2: to understand and for the guys listening out there, is
Speaker 2: that the lopo for Camillo cannot be the same as
Speaker 2: the average golfer, even though he wants it with an
Speaker 2: iron front, because of the speed they can create. So
Speaker 2: you can only get the loco so far forward if
Speaker 2: you can create certain other speed, because otherwise the ball
Speaker 2: will never launch. So, I mean there's a lot into
Speaker 2: teaching and into knowing, you know, which which way the
Speaker 2: player can move and what the conditions and the speed
Speaker 2: that he can get in order to create that optimal
Speaker 2: ball flight. So that's kind of the way we went.
Speaker 2: So it was it was everything. At the beginning, it
Speaker 2: was people related everything. We needed to get that kelvis
Speaker 2: stop sliding and moving more like tilted more in the
Speaker 2: first part of the down swing, and after that cloud
Speaker 2: and once he started mastering that and getting the bath
Speaker 2: and lope on, we started to understand or he started
Speaker 2: to get out from here, I can start you know,
Speaker 2: extending and you know, you know, getting more out of
Speaker 2: the ground and getting that that shaft to a line better,
Speaker 2: which started helping him to launch the ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's also interesting that you noticed
Speaker 1: because one of the things that I think is when
Speaker 1: Camillo was playing great, one of the strengths of his
Speaker 1: golf swing was the fact that he was short and
Speaker 1: he was wide, that he didn't overswing because Camillo was
Speaker 1: always able because he's in such good shape and works
Speaker 1: out so much and is always on the bike. I mean,
Speaker 1: Camillo was one of the first kind of skinny, thin
Speaker 1: guys to have a boatload of speed, and he.
Speaker 2: Could but there he go back then he could launch it.
Speaker 2: The last few years he was not able to launch it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so it's funny that you're I think people
Speaker 1: look at golf swings and I always talking to other instructors.
Speaker 1: You're always trying to figure out what to take from
Speaker 1: one part to get a gain out of another part.
Speaker 1: So a guy like Camillo, the backswing always has been really,
Speaker 1: really short. But I think it's interesting that you're looking
Speaker 1: at the shortness and as that path is gotten to
Speaker 1: the right, he actually pulls the handle down more and
Speaker 1: then is getting more. So was it how much longer
Speaker 1: is his golf swing now or is it just a
Speaker 1: feeling for Camillo that you said, Okay, just feel it's
Speaker 1: a little bit longer. It's not actually really longer.
Speaker 2: I think it's hard to say because I've never put
Speaker 2: him on any kind of tenology like gears or anything
Speaker 2: like that. So if i could tell you that it's
Speaker 2: a little bit longer, it would be just my eyes
Speaker 2: by looking on TV or you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I did saw in Mexico, especially a few T shirts
Speaker 2: that I think they were like down win where he
Speaker 2: was trying to go at it where he actually did
Speaker 2: look longer, only with the driver, not with the irons,
Speaker 2: but for him, for him he feels when he's out there,
Speaker 2: especially when he goes back to the range after playing around.
Speaker 2: The main thing that he is on it right now
Speaker 2: is to feel like he adds a lot of mobility
Speaker 2: to his you know, pelvis and torso whatever to try
Speaker 2: to get that club to travel even longer throughout the box,
Speaker 2: because that's that's what for him. It gives to the
Speaker 2: best feels to get all the other stuff that we
Speaker 2: talked earlier.
Speaker 1: And I think Camilla winning again after nine years is
Speaker 1: a great example of you know, a couple when Padrick
Speaker 1: Harrington he won in a playoff at the Honda against
Speaker 1: Daniel Berger. I think they had to come back out
Speaker 1: on a Monday, and and and Podrick hadn't Patrick hadn't
Speaker 1: won in a long time, right, It's been a while,
Speaker 1: and you know, multiple major champions. And in his interview
Speaker 1: I always remembered he said, you know, you don't forget
Speaker 1: how to win. The problem is if you don't put
Speaker 1: yourself in a position to win, it doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: you want to bunch and still remember. And I think
Speaker 1: this is a really good example of Camillo Mexico. He
Speaker 1: gets in the hunt. He finished this second, but he
Speaker 1: had a chance to win that golf tournament, didn't get
Speaker 1: it done. But you know that for a guy like
Speaker 1: Camillo who's won before, he's thinking, Okay, I haven't forgotten
Speaker 1: how to play. I haven't forgotten how to feel this.
Speaker 1: I just have to get myself in this position more often.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the great players Jose,
Speaker 1: they make it look easy, right, Rory Tiger, John Rahm,
Speaker 1: DJ Scotti, Sheffer, They're like, well, they win a lot.
Speaker 1: But one of the reasons they do that is they
Speaker 1: put themselves in position they're always in. They're always on
Speaker 1: the leaderboard on Sunday, right, those guys are always on
Speaker 1: the leaderboard, so you can sometimes kind of backdoor top tens,
Speaker 1: back door five by just hanging around and playing decent
Speaker 1: on Sunday. But I kind of thought that after the
Speaker 1: first two rounds. I thought Saturday's round for Camillo and
Speaker 1: Been was really really big, right, because it's easy to
Speaker 1: freewheel it on Thursday and Friday, right, but that Saturday
Speaker 1: round is always I mean, it's a cliche, but it
Speaker 1: is moving day because you put yourself, you know, in
Speaker 1: one of the last two groups on Saturday, after shooting
Speaker 1: two rounds in the sixties, and then you shoot even
Speaker 1: parr fifteen to twenty guys go past you, and now
Speaker 1: you have to go back out on Sunday and say, okay,
Speaker 1: now I have to go out and really press and
Speaker 1: go try and shoot something really low. So I thought
Speaker 1: the round that Camillo had on Saturday showed a lot
Speaker 1: of maturity, but it also kind of showed that he
Speaker 1: felt like he could win again.
Speaker 2: Club. Like you said earlier, I could have done the
Speaker 2: same work with twenty other guys, only Camillo would make
Speaker 2: it happen. You know, there's these guys, they know how
Speaker 2: to do it. I made a lot and an Aldigy
Speaker 2: here with some friends that they were asking me, and
Speaker 2: I said, Camillo is the same driver. He's like a race.
Speaker 2: He's the same driver that he was in two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven. His car was not in perfect conditions. He
Speaker 2: just needed tost on the car. But he hasn't forgot
Speaker 2: had to do it. If you look, if you look
Speaker 2: back at Sunday in Bermuda, one of the things that
Speaker 2: I was most impressed the way he walked, the way
Speaker 2: he handled the course. You don't see and I've been
Speaker 2: cutting for fifteen years. I've been in final groups as
Speaker 2: cutting many times, so I've been really close to them,
Speaker 2: and you don't see guys under the gun walking that
Speaker 2: way when you're having won in ten years. It's like
Speaker 2: he knows something that I don't know. You know, it's
Speaker 2: like and he told me once eighteen holes on a Sunday.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is long, especially when you're in the
Speaker 2: lead and you know and you have to know that
Speaker 2: you're going to go through goods and bads, and the
Speaker 2: key and the bat is not only from you playing,
Speaker 2: but it can be from you playing really good and
Speaker 2: getting the soft two and three in front. But you
Speaker 2: get to know that you have to stay the same
Speaker 2: because eventually, with two three holes to go, you're going
Speaker 2: to have that chance. But if you don't stay the same,
Speaker 2: the chance is going to be gone with six seven
Speaker 2: holes to go. So you just I mean the guy,
Speaker 2: like you said, some of these guys, even though Camillo
Speaker 2: in a percentage way, it doesn't have you know, you know,
Speaker 2: in twenty tournaments a year, he doesn't get in contention ten.
Speaker 2: He probably will get one or two or three. But
Speaker 2: once he gets on it, he knows how to close it.
Speaker 2: And that's something Claude, you know, that's something you cannot teach.
Speaker 1: No, No, the only way you can become a winner
Speaker 1: is to win, right. I mean everybody goes, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I need to win more golf tournaments. I need to
Speaker 1: win more golf tournaments. You know, I've said this before
Speaker 1: on the pod. Brooks has always said, you know, he's
Speaker 1: won five majors now, but Brooks always said, the hardest
Speaker 1: one to win is the first one. After you win
Speaker 1: the first major, you know what to expect in the others.
Speaker 1: You know what it takes. So for a guy like Camillo,
Speaker 1: even though he hasn't won in almost a decade, you know,
Speaker 1: he goes down and finds some rhythm and finds some stuff,
Speaker 1: gets himself in the hunt in Mexico, and then goes
Speaker 1: to Bermuda and gets himself in the hunt again on
Speaker 1: the weekend. So now he's got a two year exemption.
Speaker 1: He's going to be in all of the stuff. This
Speaker 1: is kind of a new lease on life for Camilla.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is, I mean, Camilla is just I
Speaker 1: mean the things that you know, losing a child, the
Speaker 1: things that he and his wife have gone had to
Speaker 1: go through their lovely daughter Mia, and all the devastation
Speaker 1: emotionally to get this win now at this stage of
Speaker 1: his career and at the end of the year, I
Speaker 1: think the cool thing is he got this kind of
Speaker 1: right at the end of the season, and so he
Speaker 1: bookmarks the end of the season with a win and
Speaker 1: now can say, Okay, I've got next year. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be playing in majors again. I'm playing in the Masters,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be playing in tournaments. I don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about bouncing back and forth like he was doing.
Speaker 1: Where Camillo is always a fan favorite, right, He's gonna
Speaker 1: get sponsors, invites. But like you said, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: in Mexico, he's playing Latin America and gets a sponsors
Speaker 1: invite and doesn't really end up getting to Tory Pines,
Speaker 1: you know, like he normally would on a Sunday night
Speaker 1: and practice, but now he's not gonna have to do anything.
Speaker 1: So what do you feel like is the kind of
Speaker 1: the landscape for Camillo? I mean, could we see him
Speaker 1: kind of have this second part of his career now,
Speaker 1: Because listen, it's easier to win big events first and foremost.
Speaker 1: You're in the big events, you know, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're top fifty in the world, I mean the Holy
Speaker 1: Grail before live and you know, now the world rankings
Speaker 1: kind of becoming a little bit of a farce. But
Speaker 1: the goal pre lib was always top fifty in the
Speaker 1: world because you knew if you were top fifty you
Speaker 1: were going to play in all the real golf tournaments
Speaker 1: that mattered, Right, You're going to play in all the majors,
Speaker 1: You're going to play in all the big stuff in
Speaker 1: the US. You probably if your top fifty could get
Speaker 1: invites to go play all the big stuff outside the US, right,
Speaker 1: So for a guy like Camillo, do you think that,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's always been, you know, an incredibly hard worker.
Speaker 1: He's always been a grinder. What do you think this
Speaker 1: does for the next phase of his career, in the
Speaker 1: next phase of his life.
Speaker 2: I think, honestly, Claude well to sort of. I really
Speaker 2: haven't talked much to him the last two weeks. We spoke.
Speaker 2: I didn't even send him a message through the last
Speaker 2: two weeks. He called me Wednesday after Mexico, which was
Speaker 2: the night before Bermuda. We had a ten minute talk
Speaker 2: and mainly one of the things that I told him
Speaker 2: because he was telling me how he felt on contention Sunday,
Speaker 2: and I told him, Look, I told him mainly I said,
Speaker 2: it doesn't need to be perfect, because he said, you
Speaker 2: know how they are. I mean, he said to me,
Speaker 2: I didn't feel great, he didn't feel perfect as a Camello.
Speaker 2: It doesn't need to feel perfect. It's a lot better
Speaker 2: than I used to be. And you prove yourself you
Speaker 2: can compete, so go and play again. So that was,
Speaker 2: you know, that was mainly what we talked on Wednesday
Speaker 2: night before Bermuda, after Mexico, and then he called me Sunday.
Speaker 2: It was very emotional. I was here on my own
Speaker 2: watching it I got, you know, I cried for you know,
Speaker 2: a good ten minutes. I couldn't believe it, and the
Speaker 2: phone got crazy, and I left my house. I went
Speaker 2: to the kids too, to play with the kids, and
Speaker 2: I left the phone and I came back after two
Speaker 2: hours and at the moment I gave in my house,
Speaker 2: he's calling me. And he called me and it was
Speaker 2: mainly a celebration kind of thing. We did it, you know,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, And I said, know, enjoy, get some rest.
Speaker 2: He's going to play our sam And I'm just thinking
Speaker 2: on my own. I haven't spoke to him, but I
Speaker 2: think everything has to do now on with expectations, you know, Claude.
Speaker 2: I mean, we got to be realistic. Obviously, we want
Speaker 2: to play in the majures. He knows how to play
Speaker 2: the majors. He's probably played more than twenty majors. But
Speaker 2: we got to set up I think for him it
Speaker 2: will be key to set up a good schedule, which
Speaker 2: he can do now. Stay, you know, understand what the
Speaker 2: baseline is. One thing that I want to do right
Speaker 2: now is see where he is a saying, okay, these
Speaker 2: are the numbers we kind of get if we do
Speaker 2: some kind of studying this all your body's moving, that's
Speaker 2: where you're praying your best. This is kind of where
Speaker 2: we're not going to do more much more mechanical work.
Speaker 2: We're just going to try to go back to where
Speaker 2: you've been your best and from then. Honest, if I
Speaker 2: have to say something about his game that I would
Speaker 2: love to be able to work some is the same
Speaker 2: that we've been doing about mobility. I would love to
Speaker 2: be able to get Camillo to probably move one or
Speaker 2: two miles a little faster, and the rest is get
Speaker 2: out there and you know, have our expectations. Never forget
Speaker 2: what happened the last ten years, so we can the
Speaker 2: next ten years. We can you know, we can compete
Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, you know, I
Speaker 2: gave him confidence. I told him he could win. But
Speaker 2: inside of ego, Claude, my goal was I want to
Speaker 2: get this guy to feel competitive again. If he wins
Speaker 2: or not, it will be a destiny, you know. But
Speaker 2: that was the main goal. That he can go out
Speaker 2: and feel that he can beat the guys out there.
Speaker 2: So I mean, that's that's that's it. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just let's see what the next ten years bring about.
Speaker 2: He told me one day when we were struggling after
Speaker 2: one months of work, and I said, look, you have
Speaker 2: to do this for a living. I mean, you really
Speaker 2: need the money. And he looked at me and said, no,
Speaker 2: Luckily I've been doing I've done good and you know
Speaker 2: I'm smart with money. Or I said, you know, we
Speaker 2: need to commit. We need to do this hundred percent
Speaker 2: and we're going to get on the right path. So
Speaker 2: I kind of earn his trust on that way, and
Speaker 2: we had a really good plan that he could have
Speaker 2: work or not, blood it ended up working. We go
Speaker 2: lucky that it worked. I guess we did things the
Speaker 2: right way, but you know, I could have got any
Speaker 2: other way. And never forget what we were in Ferrrie.
Speaker 2: I mean that's a key. Not forget what we were
Speaker 2: in Ferie. I mean we were low, low, low. So
Speaker 2: now we got to really manage our affectations and know
Speaker 2: what we can be capable of and just enjoy the
Speaker 2: next few years feeling competitive. That's that's it.
Speaker 1: So I mentioned your full time caddy for Sebastian Munozu.
Speaker 1: Caddy's on live. You're working with a player that's playing
Speaker 1: you know, Cornberry Latin America. Some PGA tour stuff, So
Speaker 1: it's not a traditional kind of coach player relationship where
Speaker 1: you're going to tournaments with him, walking practice around, standing
Speaker 1: on the range. I think, you know, if I'm honest,
Speaker 1: I think that can probably sometimes be a positive as
Speaker 1: opposed to a negative. Right, it can be a way
Speaker 1: that the player has to take a little bit more
Speaker 1: owner ownership so club.
Speaker 2: To be honest, it all depends on the personality, but
Speaker 2: the personality of player. But I think as a caddy,
Speaker 2: which I've been hours and hours on the range, and
Speaker 2: I share with a lot of great coaches of the
Speaker 2: different players that I had in the past. Sometimes and
Speaker 2: I even spoke to sebasking this, sometimes when the coach
Speaker 2: is on side, we're trying to finances for every shot
Speaker 2: we hit, and there's there's no answer for it. I mean,
Speaker 2: just keep doing what we're doing. You know, you're gonna
Speaker 2: hit some bad shots. And I think, you know, the
Speaker 2: other day, I was listening to Brooks in one of
Speaker 2: his and social media whatever it was I interviewed that
Speaker 2: he gave and he he's so good about it. He
Speaker 2: was talking about, you know, I gave him, I gave
Speaker 2: a game of mistakes and how you know, he he
Speaker 2: you know, he tried to manage himself the best he
Speaker 2: can and he knows he's gonna miss some here and there.
Speaker 2: But he I mean, he's not trying to hit a
Speaker 2: bad shot and it just happens. And I thinks the
Speaker 2: you know, the fact that the that the coach is
Speaker 2: there all the time, he can you know, it could
Speaker 2: it could be worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to be there all the time with
Speaker 1: my guys because I can't remember half the things I
Speaker 1: tell him anyway, But.
Speaker 2: There's a fine line, and to be honest, especially the
Speaker 2: first four months, I wish I I would have been
Speaker 2: there a little more.
Speaker 1: Not now, Sebastian Muno, So you caddy for good year
Speaker 1: this year for Sebastian, he had that chance to win
Speaker 1: where he and Brooks went down the stretch in Orlando.
Speaker 1: I continue to be impressed with Sebastian's game. What do
Speaker 1: you like about the way he plays golf?
Speaker 2: So yes, he had at least two chances. We were
Speaker 2: leading in Chicago, boy three with one run to go. Also,
Speaker 2: but when they asked me about Sebastian, I always said
Speaker 2: that he has no witnesses club. He doesn't do anything
Speaker 2: outstanding but he's eight points on everything, and he's a
Speaker 2: guy that really really understands everything about the game, as in,
Speaker 2: you know, he's very smart, he's very calm. He makes
Speaker 2: good decisions, you know. He he doesn't like we were
Speaker 2: talking a minute ago. He doesn't overdo things. You know,
Speaker 2: sometimes we find ourselves overdoing things. And I've been with
Speaker 2: him for two years. I don't think we've ever been
Speaker 2: on the range after a round. Never in two years.
Speaker 2: He's like, okay, but I hate the worst. I'll figure
Speaker 2: out tomorrow morning.
Speaker 1: That is such a positive mind. DJ is the same.
Speaker 1: If DJ plays, I mean DJ has to play really
Speaker 1: bad to go to the range, and he always doesn't
Speaker 1: really think he's played that bad. I mean, you've been
Speaker 1: out with those He and aj Aj. They'll come off,
Speaker 1: he'll shoot over par and Aj'll just be shaking his
Speaker 1: head at me and scoring, you know, saying, man, this
Speaker 1: was awful today. I'll say to DJ, do you want
Speaker 1: to hit balls? And I'll go, you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: really hit it that bad today, and AJ will be
Speaker 1: looking at me shaking his head. But it's an attribute
Speaker 1: to not beat yourself up, to not get down on yourself,
Speaker 1: you know, Brooks's caddy, Ricky Elliott, there have been Brooks
Speaker 1: always wants to go to the driving range after a
Speaker 1: round of golf, just to talk. It's kind of what
Speaker 1: he does. Like It's like you said, a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff with players from a coaching standpoint and from
Speaker 1: a caddy standpoint, everybody's different. And a lot of times
Speaker 1: Brooks wants to go to the range if he's shut
Speaker 1: sixty six and hit balls, and then it's always Ricky
Speaker 1: Elliott that will say, like, Brooks will hit one bad,
Speaker 1: a couple bad shots, he's just shut sixty six, he's
Speaker 1: hitting it great, he's leading. He'll hit a couple bad
Speaker 1: shots and he'll kind of go into grind mode. And
Speaker 1: Ricky will always be the one that will say, hey,
Speaker 1: can we go home and get off the range now,
Speaker 1: because the longer we stand here, we can only mess
Speaker 1: this up. Because we can always find things to work on.
Speaker 1: We always finds out. I think it's so important for
Speaker 1: everyone listening to realize that you're the quest to improve
Speaker 1: your golf swing and to work on your mechanics is
Speaker 1: never ending. But you can you can just go down
Speaker 1: a rabbit hole to where and and sometimes hose I'll
Speaker 1: talk to some of the juniors and say, listen, what
Speaker 1: do you do when you play badly? Oh? I go
Speaker 1: to the range for somebody, do you ever just go
Speaker 1: home and just go watch TV and relax? And they're like,
Speaker 1: I never even think about doing that. But sometimes you've
Speaker 1: just you've got a bad day at the office and
Speaker 1: you just say, hey, listen, I'm just gonna I know
Speaker 1: what I need to do. I just didn't make some
Speaker 1: good swings today. I didn't have it, And so about
Speaker 1: you're right, I don't. I never see Sebastian at the
Speaker 1: range after the rounds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you know, like you just said, for
Speaker 2: juniors or Ramater's golfers, there's so much behind a bad
Speaker 2: run of golf, I mean, and everybody everybody goes back
Speaker 2: to oh, I hate it so bad, and he's like, yes,
Speaker 2: how good are you a club selection? How good did
Speaker 2: you read that light on the rough? How good did
Speaker 2: you you know you know the win switch? How good?
Speaker 2: What do you heat driver? Here? Wait? I mean there's
Speaker 2: so much about what's behind it eighty five that is
Speaker 2: not so much related to the golf stream, but how
Speaker 2: bad they play the game, and they always for some
Speaker 2: reason always I gotta go to range, I gotta hit
Speaker 2: balls I got and I mean, obviously we've been long
Speaker 2: enough to be able to understand all the areas, so
Speaker 2: we kind of know. You know, this guy shot seventy two,
Speaker 2: but it was the ballstricker was actually not bad. It
Speaker 2: was pretty good out there, So there's not really no
Speaker 2: need for us to be an hour and a half
Speaker 2: on the range just pounding balls. And like you said,
Speaker 2: it can only get worse.
Speaker 1: You mentioned jose on hell Cabrera. You spent some time
Speaker 1: with him on the bag. I think everybody knows all
Speaker 1: the you know, just the really really kind of sad story.
Speaker 1: But looks like he's out of jail. And there was
Speaker 1: an article I saw his coach, Charlie Up said that,
Speaker 1: you know, he still wants to play your time with
Speaker 1: on hell Cabrera. I mean, if there was ever a
Speaker 1: natural flow sure of the golf ball.
Speaker 2: I still plot Claude. I'm probably I'm probably not very
Speaker 2: objective talking about him, you know, because he's my golfing idol,
Speaker 2: so I'm like a little sided it. I mean, I
Speaker 2: love Brooks, I love Roddy, I love some of the
Speaker 2: top guys. DJ I'm a big fun of DJ. But
Speaker 2: I never seen a guy drive the ball like Angele.
Speaker 2: Sorry and the Hell I mean and his golf swing. Hey, Claude,
Speaker 2: he's the only I have a story with him. We're
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen BMW coment Farms and we were hitting ball.
Speaker 2: He's hitting balls and I'm throwing balls with the driver,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden someone puts his arm here
Speaker 2: and I turn around and his tyoods and I never
Speaker 2: seen tyr roods before that, and I'm like, whoa and
Speaker 2: the guy. Honestly, every after that time, I remember twenty
Speaker 2: thirteen and I carried for him, I think eight more
Speaker 2: months whenever they both were on the field. If Tiger
Speaker 2: was on the same way, he will stop and watch
Speaker 2: him three four or five t shirts drivers on the range.
Speaker 2: And I haven't seen that through the years for many players.
Speaker 2: I mean you Alaly, you only see the top players
Speaker 2: watch others when there's really something, you know, different, excellence.
Speaker 1: You know, what do you think made on Hell's golf swing?
Speaker 2: One?
Speaker 1: I mean he just his golf swing was so repeatable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unique, you know unique, it's got you know, his
Speaker 2: his his one you know characteristics he will have you know,
Speaker 2: he will load a lot, you know, long backswing, kind
Speaker 2: of not as long as daily but very unique. But
Speaker 2: obviously his body, his body moved so well, you know,
Speaker 2: so well. And I mean he always he was I say,
Speaker 2: I always say he was very very wise on a
Speaker 2: basic standpoint, like he would tell me, if it works,
Speaker 2: we don't change it. You know, things like very very
Speaker 2: you know, the things that everybody kind of knows. But
Speaker 2: you know that he took for granted, there's only a
Speaker 2: few guys that played good goal for twenty plus years.
Speaker 2: Only you can name Dustin Tiger, Sergio angele Is on those,
Speaker 2: you know, twenty years hitting the ball that good. It's
Speaker 2: very hard because you go through personal issues, changing coaches,
Speaker 2: health issues, whatever, whatever, and you get out of that
Speaker 2: top fifty that you named before. This guy was that
Speaker 2: good for that many years hitting the ball the same.
Speaker 2: I mean that's why you know how many I think
Speaker 2: he had like three Sunday last rounds at the Masters
Speaker 2: for five years. I mean it's and he's I mean
Speaker 2: there's only one tire Woods, only one that's it, right,
Speaker 2: So I mean to be able to do that tells
Speaker 2: you that the guy, you know, he was a flasher.
Speaker 2: But also he was ready for the big scenarios. He
Speaker 2: was always ready for the big scenarios. He was just
Speaker 2: waiting for those weeks.
Speaker 1: Do you think he can come back and be competitive
Speaker 1: and play.
Speaker 2: We after he got out of jail, we got a
Speaker 2: few texts back and forward. I wanted to you know,
Speaker 2: just you know, he's the one person that really he
Speaker 2: helped me get to the stage, first of all, because
Speaker 2: otherwise I could probably be still carrying Europe. Who knows.
Speaker 2: And you know, for me it was huge coming from Argentina,
Speaker 2: have a chance to work on the PGA tour and
Speaker 2: then for a year and a half Cloud he was
Speaker 2: the one that taught me how to carry I mean,
Speaker 2: I knew when I got to him first of all,
Speaker 2: with his character and all that, believe me or not,
Speaker 2: I was kind of scared. You know, how am I?
Speaker 2: How am I going to tell this guy is not
Speaker 2: a seven iron? I'm not supposed to do that, you know.
Speaker 2: And then you know, I remember after a few weeks
Speaker 2: he was trying me, and then he goes, look, just
Speaker 2: be quiet and answer what I ask him, and we
Speaker 2: will go through fifteen hosts with nothing club I would say,
Speaker 2: one night eve of the rug that's it, that's it,
Speaker 2: that's it. And then I mean his questions were so
Speaker 2: hard because he was like, you think at seven is enough,
Speaker 2: and it's like, hold on, hold on, are we going
Speaker 2: to pitch it how much? When you got you know
Speaker 2: it's bad. So I'm a big fan and I'm very
Speaker 2: thankful for everything he's done for me. And as soon
Speaker 2: as you get out, I text him, he text me back.
Speaker 2: We got on a call. We spoke on the last
Speaker 2: two months, maybe two times, three times, and I see
Speaker 2: him out on our golf course, and I know the
Speaker 2: guy is trying. He wants to get back. I know
Speaker 2: the other day I was with the Pink reps and
Speaker 2: they told me they sent him some new stuff for
Speaker 2: him to try. And I know the goal is for
Speaker 2: him to be back in twenty fourteen. Claude, with all
Speaker 2: this story going on, I just care for him to
Speaker 2: be able to go back and play golf. Will win
Speaker 2: or not. I mean, I'll be you know, kind of
Speaker 2: like Camillo's story. But I mean him just starting to
Speaker 2: get competitive and having a calendar, just that will be
Speaker 2: huge for him.
Speaker 1: He's one of the kind of I think he is
Speaker 1: the the OG of South American Latin American golf. But
Speaker 1: right now, I mean you're down in Argentina, you still
Speaker 1: live there. You came out of that system. You played
Speaker 1: college golf in America, jackson Jacksonville State, you won the
Speaker 1: Argentinian Amateur. I think everything that the Latin American am
Speaker 1: has done, golf in South American Latin America, I think
Speaker 1: is in as good a place as it's ever been.
Speaker 1: In this young crop that Sebastians are part of, Waco,
Speaker 1: Carlos Ortiz. You know, a bunch of the guys that
Speaker 1: play on live. There's a bunch of really good players
Speaker 1: now coming out of South America, Latin America. Why do
Speaker 1: you think we've seen this like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: good players now.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lot of good players still. You know
Speaker 2: Gorilla won this year and charge wab in Dallas. I
Speaker 2: mean there's a lot of good players and junior golfers.
Speaker 2: I think Claude through the years, and you know, going
Speaker 2: back to like technology social media nowadays, Back then, Claude,
Speaker 2: when I was growing up, you have no idea what
Speaker 2: was going on in the US. You have no idea
Speaker 2: what real teaching walls, You have no idea what we
Speaker 2: can only see nine holes of a PGA tour even
Speaker 2: on Sunday. That was about it, you know. And if
Speaker 2: we were getting good players, the players were playing in
Speaker 2: the Argentina Tour in South America, but playing in the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour or being in the US felt like so distant,
Speaker 2: like so hard to do. Now technology being able to
Speaker 2: you know, I'm talking to a guy right now who
Speaker 2: is in Jupiter, and I'm in Cortl, Argentina and that's
Speaker 2: our you know, and so now we can go out there,
Speaker 2: we can go, we can travel, we can play junior events.
Speaker 2: Now every kid that is decent they go to college
Speaker 2: in the States. That never happened before, and that's huge
Speaker 2: because now now you go to college in the States,
Speaker 2: you get to play an acc SEC school and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're playing with the next organ speed.
Speaker 2: So next time you play with him or you see him,
Speaker 2: you're not afraid, you're not scared. You play with him
Speaker 2: before you know he's got two arms to two and
Speaker 2: two legs like I do, so I can beat him.
Speaker 2: So a lot of it has to do that, you know,
Speaker 2: us being able from you know, from Mexico and South
Speaker 2: you know, starting to get closer to the US system,
Speaker 2: which is, you know, the top level that you can
Speaker 2: actually dream of. We get it close, you know, on
Speaker 2: an earlier stage of our life. So that's what you know.
Speaker 2: Every one of them, I mean Grilla went to a
Speaker 2: MG Academy. Colors artist Sava North Texas, Huaco, well he
Speaker 2: was a superstar, but most of them they also went
Speaker 2: through a college and also going back to the to
Speaker 2: the instruction and Standpoint Club. I think the last ten
Speaker 2: years with social media with US, I was lucky because
Speaker 2: I was working on tour, but being able to approach
Speaker 2: guys like you and most of the coaches on the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour have a chance to shadow. That's something that
Speaker 2: has no I mean, the amount of value on that
Speaker 2: is unreal. And then you can you can share your
Speaker 2: that knowledge down here, so you know, it's just small things.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, the fact that we can
Speaker 2: work closer to you guys, we're closer to the makeup
Speaker 2: golf is that you know, it's contagious.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we gotta get I
Speaker 1: don't think the two the PGA Tour probably wouldn't do it,
Speaker 1: but I think if Live went down to Latin America.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be great. I mean if we went
Speaker 1: to you know, Walko's home. I mean, I think the
Speaker 1: response and seeing all those good players would be another
Speaker 1: thing that would be really helpful.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember club we had, we
Speaker 2: had the work up in two thousand one. Tiger in
Speaker 2: the Wall came here in Yeah, they did, and it
Speaker 2: was crazy. It was literally close to what was it
Speaker 2: in Australia. What was the name of the place, Adelaide.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like that. It was a real
Speaker 2: so like I remember one day were talking about bringing
Speaker 2: it to South America with Huaco was asking and Huaco
Speaker 2: asked me, what do you think will be the CD
Speaker 2: in South America? And I said, I think Buenasari will
Speaker 2: be the right place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'd be great. I mean, and you know,
Speaker 1: the vibe would be great. And you know there's some
Speaker 1: good I mean, there's some good golf courses down in Argentina.
Speaker 2: There's some really good, really good golf courses. All you
Speaker 2: need to do is set up set it up right,
Speaker 2: That's all you need to do.
Speaker 1: And the wine and food, We're not we're not going
Speaker 1: to struggle.
Speaker 2: You know that you can be here plenty of times,
Speaker 2: so you know that well you can tell the guys
Speaker 2: that they will they will like it. They by stay
Speaker 2: you in a few more days after that.
Speaker 1: ODI, this is this is one of the good stories
Speaker 1: to come. I mean, there's so much with all the
Speaker 1: stuff that's going on in the professional golf landscape and stuff.
Speaker 1: I think what I've tried to do this year is
Speaker 1: focus on, you know, positive stories. And I think for
Speaker 1: someone like you who's you know, caddy in full time
Speaker 1: at the highest level and working with players that are
Speaker 1: winning at the highest level, it's a hell of an
Speaker 1: achievement and you should be really really proud of yourself.
Speaker 1: And I think Camillo definitely owes you a decent bottle
Speaker 1: of red wine for sure.
Speaker 2: Claude, I really thank you. We spend some good time
Speaker 2: this year. You know, we've been to for some time
Speaker 2: out there on leave and I really thank you. I
Speaker 2: know you know, I know you do a great job
Speaker 2: with your players and this podcast. For me, it's awesome
Speaker 2: to be here, to be able to talk about golf
Speaker 2: what we love and this is a very small circus.
Speaker 2: We're live in eh and we're lucky enough to have
Speaker 2: a chance to be around these guys, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just very thankful to have the opportunity, like I
Speaker 2: said with Camino, So thanks to you club.
Speaker 1: Thank you, celebrate and uh we will see you soon.
Speaker 2: See you soon, buddy.
Speaker 1: So that was Jose Campro And listen, what a good story, right,
Speaker 1: I mean listen, I do. I coach NonStop. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine being a full time instructor also trying to caddy
Speaker 1: professionally and being any good at it. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: what a win for Camillo. I think it's one of
Speaker 1: the feel good wins of the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: And really excited that everybody got a chance to listen
Speaker 1: to Jose's story. He's a hell of a caddy. He's
Speaker 1: a very very good instructor, and super super happy for
Speaker 1: him and Camillo getting a much needed win. I want
Speaker 1: to thank everybody for listening. Son of a Butch comes
Speaker 1: to you every Wednesday. We'll see you next week.