WEBVTT - Jose Campra 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:08.840 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. You guys know 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:11.400 the drill. We come to you every Wednesday. I'm your host, 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:16.479 Claude Harmon. This week, a really good, feel good story 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.160 might not be someone that you know, but Jose Campra, 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:23.759 who has caddied on the PGA Tour. He's been caddying for, 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.720 I don't know over ten years now, currently caddies for 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:31.000 Sebastian Munos, who plays his golf on live. But Jose 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.239 is also he played college golf in America, won the 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.479 Argentinian AM So he's a very very good player and 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:41.320 an incredible instructor and he has been working this past 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.960 year with Camilla Vijegas and Camillo just got his first 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:47.160 win in almost a decade. Jose was a big part 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.000 of that and I wanted to get him on and again, 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:52.559 not somebody that maybe everybody knows about, but I think 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:54.760 one of the jobs that that I want to do 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:59.240 with this podcast is bring you guys some different stories, 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.760 maybe some stuff that you didn't know. And I think 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:03.960 with all of the crazy stuff going on in the 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.680 golf landscape at the professional level right now, there's a 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.760 lot of negative things, but to me, you've got a 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:16.920 guy that's Argentinian caddying professionally, working with a player that's 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.800 just won a PGA Tour event. I can't think of 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.760 a better feel good story. So I'm really excited for 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.360 everybody to get a chance to listen to Jose and 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:31.840 it's a really, really good one. Enjoy. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:34.640 My guest today is Jose Campra. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:41.520 Jose, your day job is cattying for Sebastian Munios and 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:46.760 you've caddy for a bunch of players, but a big 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.640 win over the weekend for your other job, which is 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:51.040 a golf instructor. 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:53.120 You and Camilla Viegas. 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.160 Camilla gas its first win in nine years and gave 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.480 you a lot of credit. And there aren't many Catties 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.960 that are kind of moonlighting as golf instructors. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.840 So to me, it's a great story. 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.440 And how did you and Camillo get hooked up? I'm 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:13.639 guessing maybe something had to do with President's cup when 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.040 you spent some time with him when he was a 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:15.720 vice captain. 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:20.280 Yeah, how are you Clouds? So it's you know, like 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.679 you said, it's it's it's kind of funny, but I 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:24.480 guess it has to do with a love for the game, 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.720 you know, I've been around this for so long and 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.920 I've always been kind of interested in everything, and Katine 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:34.520 started being my way of earning leaving, you know, in 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.920 Argentina was you know, the golf industry is, you know, 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.280 it's kind of tough, and I had my experience in 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.160 the US, so I decided to do Kadin full time. 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.480 But then on the side, I was always you know, 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.360 teaching and trying to learn. I mean, one time, I 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.520 even want to shadow you and your dad for yeah, 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:53.800 you came. You came in that time here Florida exactly exactly, 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:55.600 and that was probably ten, I don't even know, ten 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:57.680 twelve years ago, and that's kind of how I did 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.920 it through the years. And going back to Camillo, Yes, 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:03.640 we know each other for a long time. He's two 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:05.919 years younger than me. We play a lot of junior 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.399 golf together. Because he was a superstar. He was two 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.160 years younger. He was beating us, so I mean, so 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.200 I had to I play some golf with him, and 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.440 then I lost track of him. He went to Florida 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.880 and he started to be a superstar. But you know, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.359 after some time, when I went to caddy for Cabret 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.200 in twenty thirteen, I started hanging out with him again. 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.119 So I've been seeing him for the last ten years. 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.520 We have a great relationship, but it didn't come up 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:35.800 until Torri Pines is year in Farmers So you know, 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.160 I see him through the years playing golf, you know, 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.920 kind of struggling with his game. But I would never 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:45.040 ever make a comment, you know, we'll hang up for 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.120 the inner stuff that I never make a comedy of golf. 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:51.320 Everything would be some other subject. And I guess you know. 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.680 The week of Tori, I was Alsebastian. We both off 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.320 musicat we play in the same wave and I go 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.840 back to the caddy Launchentorian there he is hit them 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.400 balls and he reached out to me. He called me 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.960 and he said, look, man, are you willing to help me? 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:09.880 And that's where that's where it all started. 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:11.760 When you get a call like that. Whose I mean, 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.480 obviously you've watched the guy like Kimbello play and I 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.640 think you know the struggles that Kimbillo's had over the 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:22.120 last couple of years, you know, with the death of 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:27.280 his young daughter. People forget Kimbillo in twenty was the 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:32.400 twenty he was twenty fourteen, he was he was up 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.160 end in the world, right, he's like, he like. 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.400 I think I think he was top ten in the 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:43.520 world up until like twenty ten. Then he started, yeah, 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.520 and then twenty fourteen he won out of kind of nowhere. 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.880 He won in Windom. You know, he was starting to 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.240 kind of struggle a little bit and want in Windom. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.280 And then you know, after that, you know a lot 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.719 of things happening. He's you know, professional life and also 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.240 you know, personal life, and you know that, you know, 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.800 it was really hard for him, you know, but like 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:05.840 what he said, you know, I think the main thing 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:10.719 for him was he never stopped working up early and 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:12.880 you know, and trying. I told him, look, we have 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.359 a plan. If you're going to stick to this, this 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.799 is gonna take some time, I said. I like giving 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:20.599 my students a dayline. So I told him, look for 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.440 you to be competitive again, it might take you close 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.200 to an year. So I mean, are you willing? He said, yes, 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.760 I'll do it. So when we started saying, you called 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:34.120 me twice a week because I'm away with Sebastian, I 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:35.960 don't have a lot of time to see you in person, 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.680 and I need to make sure I can keep you. 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:43.400 Your confidence level has to stay the same because I 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.560 have to keep him motivated in the progress, in the process. 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.719 I thought, you know, if we play some bad courses 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.480 for him and he should sober eighty, he's done, he's out, 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.840 so you know, but obviously Camilla wanted to play a lot. 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.600 He played. I remember the week before Hunt, I told him, 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:04.839 please play home and obviously, you know, it was it 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:08.760 was not the best week for him. But but I 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:12.640 could see, you know, through time that he started getting it, 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.080 knowing what the main things were. He started peeoting better, 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.560 lo opened with every club, started getting you know, in 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:22.200 front of him, the path face and path started getting 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.560 you know, more too left, and I started seeing his 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.880 like his person started to be a lot less right. 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:35.200 So once we got that, then he kept competing on 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.520 the contrary, and we kind of you know how Camdo 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.320 has always been like really short on the backswing. 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.440 Very sure. I mean, he's he's always been really really compact. 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.200 So I will, I will get like videos of him 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.760 through time, and I could see that through the years 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.200 he was still getting like shorter and shorter, and the 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.800 shorter he gets under pressure, the more he was lighting, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.800 he was lighting, it was you know, dropping inside, and 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.360 like I said, a lot of how dragging and will 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.039 come a load in curbing life. So once he started 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:09.000 developing and getting to understand how to people better and 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.360 cleaning out a lot of the sliding with the hips, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.560 then we started doing a lot of Remember how Big 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.320 used to do, like long swings, long swings, a lot 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.000 of mobility. We started doing a lot of that because 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.480 I started seeing how from him being able to do 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:27.160 longer swings, then his pelvis started to kill better in 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.720 the first part of the down screen, and obviously from 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.119 here from then on he started getting how he could, 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.120 like usual, to grown better and started getting better out 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.840 of it. So you know, it took, like I said, 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.880 it took a good six seven months for him to 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.840 kind of understand the whole picture. And through the process 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.600 we went through a lot of different drills that kind 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:53.560 of get him where we wanted to. And I don't 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.480 know by August Claude, I remember going to his house 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.560 and telling him I think we're gonna play the Masters again, 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.080 and he looked at me and said, all your horses. 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.760 He said, we need to win, and I said, I 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.480 think we can do it. I mean, because it gets 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.440 to a point cloud for me where I knew it 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.680 was going to be. Is he able to go through 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.600 the big changes early on? And once he starts getting it, 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.840 I need to wait for all this car tissues to 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:21.440 go away. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.440 Yeah, because the scar tissue is what the scar tissue 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:28.560 for players, And I think it's important that everybody listening 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.960 understands that the score tissue doesn't come from the driving range, right. 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.959 The scar tissue doesn't get built up as you stand 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.640 there and build you know, and hit ball after ball 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.280 after ball on the range. The scar tissue comes from 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.080 you hit balls on the range. You do all this practice, 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.199 and then you go out on the golf course and 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:48.959 you still hit one out of bounds, you still hit 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.440 one in the water. And you know. Camillo is the 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:55.040 type of player to where he had a tremendous amount 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.240 of success very early in his career. I mean, he 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.800 was one of the top ten best player in the world. 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.120 He was a guy that a lot of people thought had, 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.040 you know, the type of game and the type of 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.080 swagger that he could compete in big tournaments. And then 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:13.600 he goes, you know, almost nine years of not winning 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.880 the score tissue on the golf course. And you see 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.680 it from both standpoints, which I think is really interesting 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:24.479 because you see from an instruction standpoint, but then obviously 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:30.600 being a full time caddy, you understand how difficult it 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.120 can be sometimes to take what you're doing on the 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:37.200 driving range and take it to the golf course exactly. 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:38.959 And I'm going to tell you, you know, like most 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.480 you know, golf funds or people that watch golf on TV, 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.080 don't you know, there's a few things that we see 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.800 because we are out there, and there's no worse car 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.360 tissue than hitting those really bad shots when you're playing 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.240 to make a cat, not to win. It's different. And 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.959 he's been on that position, fighting for cats for the 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.280 last seven eight years, and he will get out of 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.360 the cut line and there it goes, you know that 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.400 that cook or wave right comes out, and you know 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:07.560 it just it feels like someone hits you in the 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.080 head with the hammer, and you know how, you start 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.520 all over again next week. So I kind of knew 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.560 when I started seeing, you know, the progress on his 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.040 golf in that the next step was to you know, 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.440 get that out of the system, and slowly started to 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.360 get better. I went to Jupiter, you know, maybe three 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.160 times the last two months, and I was there right 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:32.400 before Mexico and and man those two days after we 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.319 played Miami before Mexico or unbelievable. We did a lot 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.640 of work. We did a lot of work. I like 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.280 to take him after we do some of the mechanic 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:44.320 work I like to do and put him in course 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.480 like course conditions, like I would take him out to 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.520 the to the ferry bankers just to do low poond drills, 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:51.920 you know, just to make sure the low po is 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:53.720 some you know, in a good spot. Then I would 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:55.800 take him out on any of the courses there in 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.839 Jupiter and get that left right wing with trouble left, 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:00.839 and I go, go and ask him to hit me 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.120 ten twenty balls. Just I need you to ride with 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:04.760 the win. I don't need you if I just ride 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.559 the wind, which is totally opposite of what he's been 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.400 doing and seeing himself for the last ten years. So 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:14.040 you know, I needed him to get himself in a 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.240 position on the course, on the practice range where he 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.400 could actually feel, well he's gonna feel when he gets 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.920 under pressure again. And he's just been great, you know, 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.240 he's just you know, he was always willing to do it. 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.520 He was always in a good spirits to do it. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.760 Even though club. Two weeks ago, when I went to 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.720 see in Miami, he told me, I'm playing second stage. 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.560 He's supposed to be playing second stage. Today's week today. Yeah, 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.880 he's supposed to. And they're playing at a club called Tasorro, 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.240 which is about five ten minutes down the road for 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.360 me here at the Floridian. He mentioned that in his interview. 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.440 He was like, Okay, I've got to go to second stage. 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.920 Does the win give him because I remember a couple 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:55.720 of years ago some of the wins in the wrap 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.080 around weren't kind of a normal win. So does he 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.160 get the two years, does he get into the Masters? 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.200 Does all of that happen or is this one of 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:05.640 those weird ones? 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.800 Crazy enough, Cloud, I thought the same thing. I thought, Well, 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:10.800 he wins, you know, he gets a car, that's it. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.320 But I'm looking on TV and he gets the whole thing. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.120 It's a big event. He's a normal gun. So he's 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.360 back in the Masters, he's back in the Majors, he's 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:23.680 backing the Elevator events. So I mean, it's just I 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.880 couldn't not write the script any better. I mean, it's 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:29.040 just been unreal, to be honest. I mean, it's one 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.400 of those things that you know, what was it timing? 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.679 And you know, the first person I called, the first 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.320 person I called when he won, it was his brother Money. 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.400 Money works for Man. 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:40.880 It's man. He's caddying for Seawood. 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.640 Now. The reason why I call him, he's funny. This 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.679 is really funny Cloud. The reason why I called me 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:49.520 is because we love Camillo and we we were on 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.280 tour he was working for Seawan with Sebastian and we 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.040 always follow him just to see how he's doing in 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:59.520 the past. And the week we're in in Palm Springs 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.880 and Camillo is somewhere in Latin America playing conferring. He 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.280 calls Money. Sitting next to me. 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You mentioned a couple 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:47.440 of times low point and it's a phrase you know 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.680 that we use an instruction from a you know, from 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:54.240 a launch bonder standpoint. But for everyone listening, explain what 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.160 kind of you think and feel low point is and 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.560 how that can affect players and they're shots. 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:06.880 So I mean, I don't probably know the exact phrase 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.480 that you know Truckman uses for Lopal, but mainly is 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.880 where the club when the club make contact with the 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.600 ball exactly where it's hitting. So if we use like 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:18.080 a semi circle right semi circle, and we have the 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.040 ball right on a neutral position in the stands and 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.360 the ball is you know, the club. Obviously with an iron, 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:26.440 we want the lopo to be forward in front of 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.240 the ball. With the drivers the only club that we 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:32.240 wanted to be before the ball because we we're in 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.440 most cases hitting up on it, some players hit down 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.480 on it doesn't matter, but I mean in the in 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.840 an ideal situation, we want the lobo to be before. 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.280 But also at the same time, the logo can affect 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.480 or can tell us which way is the direction of 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.960 the swing moving Again, in the semi circle, if the 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.880 lopo is too far back, it's probably because it's the 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.360 swing is moving too far to the right. So that 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.640 was the the case to Camille. If we go to 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:00.000 the amateurs and you know, we see most of the slicers, 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:02.560 you know, on the range, most of them have the 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.880 lobo way forward with the swing movie maybe eight ten, 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.879 nine degrees to left. And obviously that's a result of 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.440 something that happened way earlier. But that's a description, you know, 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.040 where the club is hitting in relation to the ball 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.960 and which direction the swing is moving. Also, we need 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.280 to understand and for the guys listening out there, is 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.879 that the lopo for Camillo cannot be the same as 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:26.879 the average golfer, even though he wants it with an 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.960 iron front, because of the speed they can create. So 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.880 you can only get the loco so far forward if 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.320 you can create certain other speed, because otherwise the ball 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.840 will never launch. So, I mean there's a lot into 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:42.439 teaching and into knowing, you know, which which way the 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.160 player can move and what the conditions and the speed 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.440 that he can get in order to create that optimal 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.720 ball flight. So that's kind of the way we went. 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.080 So it was it was everything. At the beginning, it 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.399 was people related everything. We needed to get that kelvis 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.359 stop sliding and moving more like tilted more in the 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.119 first part of the down swing, and after that cloud 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.960 and once he started mastering that and getting the bath 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.439 and lope on, we started to understand or he started 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.719 to get out from here, I can start you know, 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.639 extending and you know, you know, getting more out of 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.200 the ground and getting that that shaft to a line better, 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.320 which started helping him to launch the ball. 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.920 Yeah, And I think it's also interesting that you noticed 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.240 because one of the things that I think is when 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.520 Camillo was playing great, one of the strengths of his 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.919 golf swing was the fact that he was short and 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:34.280 he was wide, that he didn't overswing because Camillo was 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.960 always able because he's in such good shape and works 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.520 out so much and is always on the bike. I mean, 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:43.240 Camillo was one of the first kind of skinny, thin 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:47.680 guys to have a boatload of speed, and he. 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.480 Could but there he go back then he could launch it. 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.320 The last few years he was not able to launch it. 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:57.479 Yeah, And so it's funny that you're I think people 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:02.440 look at golf swings and I always talking to other instructors. 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.200 You're always trying to figure out what to take from 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.640 one part to get a gain out of another part. 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:13.480 So a guy like Camillo, the backswing always has been really, 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.439 really short. But I think it's interesting that you're looking 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:21.080 at the shortness and as that path is gotten to 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:25.280 the right, he actually pulls the handle down more and 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:29.879 then is getting more. So was it how much longer 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.639 is his golf swing now or is it just a 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.440 feeling for Camillo that you said, Okay, just feel it's 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.080 a little bit longer. It's not actually really longer. 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.800 I think it's hard to say because I've never put 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.399 him on any kind of tenology like gears or anything 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.520 like that. So if i could tell you that it's 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.719 a little bit longer, it would be just my eyes 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.320 by looking on TV or you know, stuff like that. 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:58.719 I did saw in Mexico, especially a few T shirts 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:00.960 that I think they were like down win where he 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.359 was trying to go at it where he actually did 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:07.080 look longer, only with the driver, not with the irons, 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:11.120 but for him, for him he feels when he's out there, 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:15.440 especially when he goes back to the range after playing around. 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.280 The main thing that he is on it right now 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.040 is to feel like he adds a lot of mobility 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:24.440 to his you know, pelvis and torso whatever to try 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.640 to get that club to travel even longer throughout the box, 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.600 because that's that's what for him. It gives to the 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:32.760 best feels to get all the other stuff that we 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:33.520 talked earlier. 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:37.080 And I think Camilla winning again after nine years is 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:41.160 a great example of you know, a couple when Padrick 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:45.119 Harrington he won in a playoff at the Honda against 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:46.840 Daniel Berger. I think they had to come back out 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.960 on a Monday, and and and Podrick hadn't Patrick hadn't 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.280 won in a long time, right, It's been a while, 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.480 and you know, multiple major champions. And in his interview 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:00.120 I always remembered he said, you know, you don't forget 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.880 how to win. The problem is if you don't put 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.280 yourself in a position to win, it doesn't matter if 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:09.439 you want to bunch and still remember. And I think 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:14.159