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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. You guys know

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Speaker 1: the drill. We come to you every Wednesday. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. This week, a really good, feel good story

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Speaker 1: might not be someone that you know, but Jose Campra,

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Speaker 1: who has caddied on the PGA Tour. He's been caddying for,

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Speaker 1: I don't know over ten years now, currently caddies for

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Speaker 1: Sebastian Munos, who plays his golf on live. But Jose

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Speaker 1: is also he played college golf in America, won the

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Speaker 1: Argentinian AM So he's a very very good player and

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Speaker 1: an incredible instructor and he has been working this past

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Speaker 1: year with Camilla Vijegas and Camillo just got his first

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Speaker 1: win in almost a decade. Jose was a big part

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Speaker 1: of that and I wanted to get him on and again,

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Speaker 1: not somebody that maybe everybody knows about, but I think

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Speaker 1: one of the jobs that that I want to do

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Speaker 1: with this podcast is bring you guys some different stories,

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Speaker 1: maybe some stuff that you didn't know. And I think

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Speaker 1: with all of the crazy stuff going on in the

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Speaker 1: golf landscape at the professional level right now, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of negative things, but to me, you've got a

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Speaker 1: guy that's Argentinian caddying professionally, working with a player that's

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Speaker 1: just won a PGA Tour event. I can't think of

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Speaker 1: a better feel good story. So I'm really excited for

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Speaker 1: everybody to get a chance to listen to Jose and

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Speaker 1: it's a really, really good one. Enjoy.

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Speaker 2: My guest today is Jose Campra.

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Speaker 1: Jose, your day job is cattying for Sebastian Munios and

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Speaker 1: you've caddy for a bunch of players, but a big

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Speaker 1: a golf instructor.

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Speaker 2: You and Camilla Viegas.

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Speaker 1: Camilla gas its first win in nine years and gave

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Speaker 1: you a lot of credit. And there aren't many Catties

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Speaker 2: So to me, it's a great story.

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Speaker 1: And how did you and Camillo get hooked up? I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing maybe something had to do with President's cup when

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Speaker 1: you spent some time with him when he was a

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Speaker 1: vice captain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how are you Clouds? So it's you know, like

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Speaker 2: you said, it's it's it's kind of funny, but I

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Speaker 2: guess it has to do with a love for the game,

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Speaker 2: you know, I've been around this for so long and

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Speaker 2: I've always been kind of interested in everything, and Katine

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Speaker 2: started being my way of earning leaving, you know, in

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Speaker 2: Argentina was you know, the golf industry is, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's kind of tough, and I had my experience in

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Speaker 2: the US, so I decided to do Kadin full time.

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Speaker 2: But then on the side, I was always you know,

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Speaker 2: teaching and trying to learn. I mean, one time, I

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Speaker 2: you came. You came in that time here Florida exactly exactly,

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Speaker 2: and that was probably ten, I don't even know, ten

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Speaker 2: twelve years ago, and that's kind of how I did

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Speaker 2: it through the years. And going back to Camillo, Yes,

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Speaker 2: we know each other for a long time. He's two

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Speaker 2: I had to I play some golf with him, and

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Speaker 2: then I lost track of him. He went to Florida

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Speaker 2: after some time, when I went to caddy for Cabret

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Speaker 2: We have a great relationship, but it didn't come up

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Speaker 2: I see him through the years playing golf, you know,

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Speaker 2: the inner stuff that I never make a comedy of golf.

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Speaker 2: Everything would be some other subject. And I guess you know.

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Speaker 2: The week of Tori, I was Alsebastian. We both off

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Speaker 2: And that's where that's where it all started.

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Speaker 1: When you get a call like that. Whose I mean,

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Speaker 2: And then you know, after that, you know a lot

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Speaker 2: it was really hard for him, you know, but like

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Speaker 2: so you know, but obviously Camilla wanted to play a lot.

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Speaker 2: He played. I remember the week before Hunt, I told him,

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Speaker 2: I need to wait for all this car tissues to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the scar tissue is what the scar tissue

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Speaker 2: like course conditions, like I would take him out to

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Speaker 2: Club. Like you said earlier, I could have done the

432
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: same work with twenty other guys, only Camillo would make

433
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: it happen. You know, there's these guys, they know how

434
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 2: to do it. I made a lot and an Aldigy

435
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: here with some friends that they were asking me, and

436
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: I said, Camillo is the same driver. He's like a race.

437
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 2: He's the same driver that he was in two thousand

438
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: and seven. His car was not in perfect conditions. He

439
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: just needed tost on the car. But he hasn't forgot

440
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: had to do it. If you look, if you look

441
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: back at Sunday in Bermuda, one of the things that

442
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: I was most impressed the way he walked, the way

443
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,479
Speaker 2: he handled the course. You don't see and I've been

444
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 2: cutting for fifteen years. I've been in final groups as

445
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: cutting many times, so I've been really close to them,

446
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: and you don't see guys under the gun walking that

447
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: way when you're having won in ten years. It's like

448
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 2: he knows something that I don't know. You know, it's

449
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: like and he told me once eighteen holes on a Sunday.

450
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: I mean, it is long, especially when you're in the

451
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: lead and you know and you have to know that

452
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: you're going to go through goods and bads, and the

453
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 2: key and the bat is not only from you playing,

454
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: but it can be from you playing really good and

455
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: getting the soft two and three in front. But you

456
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: get to know that you have to stay the same

457
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: because eventually, with two three holes to go, you're going

458
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 2: to have that chance. But if you don't stay the same,

459
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: the chance is going to be gone with six seven

460
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 2: holes to go. So you just I mean the guy,

461
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: like you said, some of these guys, even though Camillo

462
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: in a percentage way, it doesn't have you know, you know,

463
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: in twenty tournaments a year, he doesn't get in contention ten.

464
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: He probably will get one or two or three. But

465
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: once he gets on it, he knows how to close it.

466
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: And that's something Claude, you know, that's something you cannot teach.

467
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: No, No, the only way you can become a winner

468
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: is to win, right. I mean everybody goes, oh, you know,

469
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: I need to win more golf tournaments. I need to

470
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: win more golf tournaments. You know, I've said this before

471
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: on the pod. Brooks has always said, you know, he's

472
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: won five majors now, but Brooks always said, the hardest

473
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: one to win is the first one. After you win

474
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: the first major, you know what to expect in the others.

475
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: You know what it takes. So for a guy like Camillo,

476
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: even though he hasn't won in almost a decade, you know,

477
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: he goes down and finds some rhythm and finds some stuff,

478
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: gets himself in the hunt in Mexico, and then goes

479
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: to Bermuda and gets himself in the hunt again on

480
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: the weekend. So now he's got a two year exemption.

481
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: He's going to be in all of the stuff. This

482
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: is kind of a new lease on life for Camilla.

483
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: I mean, he is, I mean, Camilla is just I

484
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: mean the things that you know, losing a child, the

485
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: things that he and his wife have gone had to

486
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: go through their lovely daughter Mia, and all the devastation

487
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: emotionally to get this win now at this stage of

488
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: his career and at the end of the year, I

489
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: think the cool thing is he got this kind of

490
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: right at the end of the season, and so he

491
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: bookmarks the end of the season with a win and

492
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: now can say, Okay, I've got next year. I'm gonna

493
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: be playing in majors again. I'm playing in the Masters,

494
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be playing in tournaments. I don't have to

495
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: worry about bouncing back and forth like he was doing.

496
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: Where Camillo is always a fan favorite, right, He's gonna

497
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: get sponsors, invites. But like you said, I mean, he's

498
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: in Mexico, he's playing Latin America and gets a sponsors

499
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: invite and doesn't really end up getting to Tory Pines,

500
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, like he normally would on a Sunday night

501
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: and practice, but now he's not gonna have to do anything.

502
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: So what do you feel like is the kind of

503
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: the landscape for Camillo? I mean, could we see him

504
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: kind of have this second part of his career now,

505
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: Because listen, it's easier to win big events first and foremost.

506
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 1: You're in the big events, you know, I mean, if

507
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: you're top fifty in the world, I mean the Holy

508
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: Grail before live and you know, now the world rankings

509
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: kind of becoming a little bit of a farce. But

510
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: the goal pre lib was always top fifty in the

511
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: world because you knew if you were top fifty you

512
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: were going to play in all the real golf tournaments

513
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: that mattered, Right, You're going to play in all the majors,

514
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: You're going to play in all the big stuff in

515
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: the US. You probably if your top fifty could get

516
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: invites to go play all the big stuff outside the US, right,

517
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: So for a guy like Camillo, do you think that,

518
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: I mean, he's always been, you know, an incredibly hard worker.

519
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: He's always been a grinder. What do you think this

520
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: does for the next phase of his career, in the

521
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: next phase of his life.

522
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: I think, honestly, Claude well to sort of. I really

523
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: haven't talked much to him the last two weeks. We spoke.

524
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: I didn't even send him a message through the last

525
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: two weeks. He called me Wednesday after Mexico, which was

526
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: the night before Bermuda. We had a ten minute talk

527
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 2: and mainly one of the things that I told him

528
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: because he was telling me how he felt on contention Sunday,

529
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: and I told him, Look, I told him mainly I said,

530
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: it doesn't need to be perfect, because he said, you

531
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: know how they are. I mean, he said to me,

532
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: I didn't feel great, he didn't feel perfect as a Camello.

533
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: It doesn't need to feel perfect. It's a lot better

534
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: than I used to be. And you prove yourself you

535
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: can compete, so go and play again. So that was,

536
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: you know, that was mainly what we talked on Wednesday

537
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: night before Bermuda, after Mexico, and then he called me Sunday.

538
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: It was very emotional. I was here on my own

539
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: watching it I got, you know, I cried for you know,

540
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: a good ten minutes. I couldn't believe it, and the

541
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: phone got crazy, and I left my house. I went

542
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: to the kids too, to play with the kids, and

543
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: I left the phone and I came back after two

544
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: hours and at the moment I gave in my house,

545
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: he's calling me. And he called me and it was

546
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: mainly a celebration kind of thing. We did it, you know,

547
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, And I said, know, enjoy, get some rest.

548
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: He's going to play our sam And I'm just thinking

549
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: on my own. I haven't spoke to him, but I

550
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: think everything has to do now on with expectations, you know, Claude.

551
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: I mean, we got to be realistic. Obviously, we want

552
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: to play in the majures. He knows how to play

553
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: the majors. He's probably played more than twenty majors. But

554
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: we got to set up I think for him it

555
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: will be key to set up a good schedule, which

556
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 2: he can do now. Stay, you know, understand what the

557
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: baseline is. One thing that I want to do right

558
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: now is see where he is a saying, okay, these

559
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: are the numbers we kind of get if we do

560
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: some kind of studying this all your body's moving, that's

561
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: where you're praying your best. This is kind of where

562
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: we're not going to do more much more mechanical work.

563
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: We're just going to try to go back to where

564
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: you've been your best and from then. Honest, if I

565
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: have to say something about his game that I would

566
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: love to be able to work some is the same

567
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: that we've been doing about mobility. I would love to

568
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: be able to get Camillo to probably move one or

569
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: two miles a little faster, and the rest is get

570
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: out there and you know, have our expectations. Never forget

571
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 2: what happened the last ten years, so we can the

572
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: next ten years. We can you know, we can compete

573
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, you know, I

574
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: gave him confidence. I told him he could win. But

575
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: inside of ego, Claude, my goal was I want to

576
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: get this guy to feel competitive again. If he wins

577
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 2: or not, it will be a destiny, you know. But

578
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: that was the main goal. That he can go out

579
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: and feel that he can beat the guys out there.

580
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: So I mean, that's that's that's it. I mean, it's

581
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: just let's see what the next ten years bring about.

582
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: He told me one day when we were struggling after

583
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: one months of work, and I said, look, you have

584
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: to do this for a living. I mean, you really

585
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: need the money. And he looked at me and said, no,

586
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 2: Luckily I've been doing I've done good and you know

587
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: I'm smart with money. Or I said, you know, we

588
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: need to commit. We need to do this hundred percent

589
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: and we're going to get on the right path. So

590
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: I kind of earn his trust on that way, and

591
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: we had a really good plan that he could have

592
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: work or not, blood it ended up working. We go

593
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: lucky that it worked. I guess we did things the

594
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: right way, but you know, I could have got any

595
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: other way. And never forget what we were in Ferrrie.

596
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: I mean that's a key. Not forget what we were

597
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: in Ferie. I mean we were low, low, low. So

598
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: now we got to really manage our affectations and know

599
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: what we can be capable of and just enjoy the

600
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: next few years feeling competitive. That's that's it.

601
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: So I mentioned your full time caddy for Sebastian Munozu.

602
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: Caddy's on live. You're working with a player that's playing

603
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: you know, Cornberry Latin America. Some PGA tour stuff, So

604
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: it's not a traditional kind of coach player relationship where

605
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: you're going to tournaments with him, walking practice around, standing

606
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: on the range. I think, you know, if I'm honest,

607
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: I think that can probably sometimes be a positive as

608
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: opposed to a negative. Right, it can be a way

609
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: that the player has to take a little bit more

610
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: owner ownership so club.

611
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: To be honest, it all depends on the personality, but

612
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: the personality of player. But I think as a caddy,

613
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: which I've been hours and hours on the range, and

614
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: I share with a lot of great coaches of the

615
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: different players that I had in the past. Sometimes and

616
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: I even spoke to sebasking this, sometimes when the coach

617
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: is on side, we're trying to finances for every shot

618
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: we hit, and there's there's no answer for it. I mean,

619
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: just keep doing what we're doing. You know, you're gonna

620
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: hit some bad shots. And I think, you know, the

621
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: other day, I was listening to Brooks in one of

622
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: his and social media whatever it was I interviewed that

623
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: he gave and he he's so good about it. He

624
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: was talking about, you know, I gave him, I gave

625
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: a game of mistakes and how you know, he he

626
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: you know, he tried to manage himself the best he

627
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: can and he knows he's gonna miss some here and there.

628
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: But he I mean, he's not trying to hit a

629
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: bad shot and it just happens. And I thinks the

630
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: you know, the fact that the that the coach is

631
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: there all the time, he can you know, it could

632
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: it could be worse.

633
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to be there all the time with

634
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: my guys because I can't remember half the things I

635
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: tell him anyway, But.

636
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: There's a fine line, and to be honest, especially the

637
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: first four months, I wish I I would have been

638
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: there a little more.

639
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: Not now, Sebastian Muno, So you caddy for good year

640
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: this year for Sebastian, he had that chance to win

641
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: where he and Brooks went down the stretch in Orlando.

642
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: I continue to be impressed with Sebastian's game. What do

643
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: you like about the way he plays golf?

644
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: So yes, he had at least two chances. We were

645
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: leading in Chicago, boy three with one run to go. Also,

646
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: but when they asked me about Sebastian, I always said

647
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: that he has no witnesses club. He doesn't do anything

648
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 2: outstanding but he's eight points on everything, and he's a

649
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: guy that really really understands everything about the game, as in,

650
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: you know, he's very smart, he's very calm. He makes

651
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: good decisions, you know. He he doesn't like we were

652
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: talking a minute ago. He doesn't overdo things. You know,

653
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: sometimes we find ourselves overdoing things. And I've been with

654
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: him for two years. I don't think we've ever been

655
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: on the range after a round. Never in two years.

656
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,959
Speaker 2: He's like, okay, but I hate the worst. I'll figure

657
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 2: out tomorrow morning.

658
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: That is such a positive mind. DJ is the same.

659
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: If DJ plays, I mean DJ has to play really

660
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: bad to go to the range, and he always doesn't

661
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: really think he's played that bad. I mean, you've been

662
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: out with those He and aj Aj. They'll come off,

663
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: he'll shoot over par and Aj'll just be shaking his

664
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: head at me and scoring, you know, saying, man, this

665
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: was awful today. I'll say to DJ, do you want

666
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: to hit balls? And I'll go, you know, I didn't

667
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: really hit it that bad today, and AJ will be

668
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: looking at me shaking his head. But it's an attribute

669
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: to not beat yourself up, to not get down on yourself,

670
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, Brooks's caddy, Ricky Elliott, there have been Brooks

671
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: always wants to go to the driving range after a

672
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: round of golf, just to talk. It's kind of what

673
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: he does. Like It's like you said, a lot of

674
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: this stuff with players from a coaching standpoint and from

675
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: a caddy standpoint, everybody's different. And a lot of times

676
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: Brooks wants to go to the range if he's shut

677
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: sixty six and hit balls, and then it's always Ricky

678
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: Elliott that will say, like, Brooks will hit one bad,

679
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: a couple bad shots, he's just shut sixty six, he's

680
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: hitting it great, he's leading. He'll hit a couple bad

681
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: shots and he'll kind of go into grind mode. And

682
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: Ricky will always be the one that will say, hey,

683
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 1: can we go home and get off the range now,

684
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: because the longer we stand here, we can only mess

685
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: this up. Because we can always find things to work on.

686
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: We always finds out. I think it's so important for

687
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: everyone listening to realize that you're the quest to improve

688
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: your golf swing and to work on your mechanics is

689
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: never ending. But you can you can just go down

690
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: a rabbit hole to where and and sometimes hose I'll

691
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: talk to some of the juniors and say, listen, what

692
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: do you do when you play badly? Oh? I go

693
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: to the range for somebody, do you ever just go

694
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: home and just go watch TV and relax? And they're like,

695
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: I never even think about doing that. But sometimes you've

696
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: just you've got a bad day at the office and

697
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: you just say, hey, listen, I'm just gonna I know

698
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: what I need to do. I just didn't make some

699
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: good swings today. I didn't have it, And so about

700
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: you're right, I don't. I never see Sebastian at the

701
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: range after the rounds.

702
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you know, like you just said, for

703
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: juniors or Ramater's golfers, there's so much behind a bad

704
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: run of golf, I mean, and everybody everybody goes back

705
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: to oh, I hate it so bad, and he's like, yes,

706
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: how good are you a club selection? How good did

707
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: you read that light on the rough? How good did

708
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: you you know you know the win switch? How good?

709
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: What do you heat driver? Here? Wait? I mean there's

710
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: so much about what's behind it eighty five that is

711
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: not so much related to the golf stream, but how

712
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: bad they play the game, and they always for some

713
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: reason always I gotta go to range, I gotta hit

714
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: balls I got and I mean, obviously we've been long

715
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: enough to be able to understand all the areas, so

716
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 2: we kind of know. You know, this guy shot seventy two,

717
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: but it was the ballstricker was actually not bad. It

718
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: was pretty good out there, So there's not really no

719
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: need for us to be an hour and a half

720
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: on the range just pounding balls. And like you said,

721
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: it can only get worse.

722
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: You mentioned jose on hell Cabrera. You spent some time

723
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: with him on the bag. I think everybody knows all

724
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: the you know, just the really really kind of sad story.

725
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: But looks like he's out of jail. And there was

726
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: an article I saw his coach, Charlie Up said that,

727
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, he still wants to play your time with

728
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: on hell Cabrera. I mean, if there was ever a

729
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: natural flow sure of the golf ball.

730
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: I still plot Claude. I'm probably I'm probably not very

731
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: objective talking about him, you know, because he's my golfing idol,

732
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: so I'm like a little sided it. I mean, I

733
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: love Brooks, I love Roddy, I love some of the

734
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: top guys. DJ I'm a big fun of DJ. But

735
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: I never seen a guy drive the ball like Angele.

736
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: Sorry and the Hell I mean and his golf swing. Hey, Claude,

737
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: he's the only I have a story with him. We're

738
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen BMW coment Farms and we were hitting ball.

739
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 2: He's hitting balls and I'm throwing balls with the driver,

740
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden someone puts his arm here

741
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: and I turn around and his tyoods and I never

742
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: seen tyr roods before that, and I'm like, whoa and

743
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 2: the guy. Honestly, every after that time, I remember twenty

744
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: thirteen and I carried for him, I think eight more

745
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 2: months whenever they both were on the field. If Tiger

746
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: was on the same way, he will stop and watch

747
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: him three four or five t shirts drivers on the range.

748
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: And I haven't seen that through the years for many players.

749
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: I mean you Alaly, you only see the top players

750
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: watch others when there's really something, you know, different, excellence.

751
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: You know, what do you think made on Hell's golf swing?

752
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: One?

753
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: I mean he just his golf swing was so repeatable.

754
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, unique, you know unique, it's got you know, his

755
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: his his one you know characteristics he will have you know,

756
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: he will load a lot, you know, long backswing, kind

757
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: of not as long as daily but very unique. But

758
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: obviously his body, his body moved so well, you know,

759
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: so well. And I mean he always he was I say,

760
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: I always say he was very very wise on a

761
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: basic standpoint, like he would tell me, if it works,

762
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 2: we don't change it. You know, things like very very

763
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: you know, the things that everybody kind of knows. But

764
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: you know that he took for granted, there's only a

765
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: few guys that played good goal for twenty plus years.

766
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: Only you can name Dustin Tiger, Sergio angele Is on those,

767
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 2: you know, twenty years hitting the ball that good. It's

768
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: very hard because you go through personal issues, changing coaches,

769
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: health issues, whatever, whatever, and you get out of that

770
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: top fifty that you named before. This guy was that

771
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: good for that many years hitting the ball the same.

772
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: I mean that's why you know how many I think

773
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: he had like three Sunday last rounds at the Masters

774
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: for five years. I mean it's and he's I mean

775
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: there's only one tire Woods, only one that's it, right,

776
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: So I mean to be able to do that tells

777
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: you that the guy, you know, he was a flasher.

778
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: But also he was ready for the big scenarios. He

779
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: was always ready for the big scenarios. He was just

780
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: waiting for those weeks.

781
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: Do you think he can come back and be competitive

782
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: and play.

783
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: We after he got out of jail, we got a

784
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: few texts back and forward. I wanted to you know,

785
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: just you know, he's the one person that really he

786
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: helped me get to the stage, first of all, because

787
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: otherwise I could probably be still carrying Europe. Who knows.

788
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: And you know, for me it was huge coming from Argentina,

789
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: have a chance to work on the PGA tour and

790
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: then for a year and a half Cloud he was

791
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: the one that taught me how to carry I mean,

792
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: I knew when I got to him first of all,

793
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: with his character and all that, believe me or not,

794
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: I was kind of scared. You know, how am I?

795
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: How am I going to tell this guy is not

796
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: a seven iron? I'm not supposed to do that, you know.

797
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: And then you know, I remember after a few weeks

798
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: he was trying me, and then he goes, look, just

799
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: be quiet and answer what I ask him, and we

800
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: will go through fifteen hosts with nothing club I would say,

801
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: one night eve of the rug that's it, that's it,

802
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: that's it. And then I mean his questions were so

803
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: hard because he was like, you think at seven is enough,

804
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: and it's like, hold on, hold on, are we going

805
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: to pitch it how much? When you got you know

806
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: it's bad. So I'm a big fan and I'm very

807
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: thankful for everything he's done for me. And as soon

808
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: as you get out, I text him, he text me back.

809
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: We got on a call. We spoke on the last

810
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: two months, maybe two times, three times, and I see

811
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: him out on our golf course, and I know the

812
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: guy is trying. He wants to get back. I know

813
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: the other day I was with the Pink reps and

814
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: they told me they sent him some new stuff for

815
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: him to try. And I know the goal is for

816
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: him to be back in twenty fourteen. Claude, with all

817
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: this story going on, I just care for him to

818
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: be able to go back and play golf. Will win

819
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: or not. I mean, I'll be you know, kind of

820
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: like Camillo's story. But I mean him just starting to

821
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: get competitive and having a calendar, just that will be

822
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: huge for him.

823
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: He's one of the kind of I think he is

824
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: the the OG of South American Latin American golf. But

825
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: right now, I mean you're down in Argentina, you still

826
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: live there. You came out of that system. You played

827
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: college golf in America, jackson Jacksonville State, you won the

828
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: Argentinian Amateur. I think everything that the Latin American am

829
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: has done, golf in South American Latin America, I think

830
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: is in as good a place as it's ever been.

831
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: In this young crop that Sebastians are part of, Waco,

832
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: Carlos Ortiz. You know, a bunch of the guys that

833
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: play on live. There's a bunch of really good players

834
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: now coming out of South America, Latin America. Why do

835
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: you think we've seen this like there's a lot of

836
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: good players now.

837
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lot of good players still. You know

838
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: Gorilla won this year and charge wab in Dallas. I

839
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 2: mean there's a lot of good players and junior golfers.

840
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: I think Claude through the years, and you know, going

841
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: back to like technology social media nowadays, Back then, Claude,

842
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: when I was growing up, you have no idea what

843
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: was going on in the US. You have no idea

844
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: what real teaching walls, You have no idea what we

845
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: can only see nine holes of a PGA tour even

846
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: on Sunday. That was about it, you know. And if

847
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: we were getting good players, the players were playing in

848
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: the Argentina Tour in South America, but playing in the

849
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: PGA Tour or being in the US felt like so distant,

850
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: like so hard to do. Now technology being able to

851
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: you know, I'm talking to a guy right now who

852
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: is in Jupiter, and I'm in Cortl, Argentina and that's

853
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: our you know, and so now we can go out there,

854
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: we can go, we can travel, we can play junior events.

855
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: Now every kid that is decent they go to college

856
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: in the States. That never happened before, and that's huge

857
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: because now now you go to college in the States,

858
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: you get to play an acc SEC school and all

859
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're playing with the next organ speed.

860
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: So next time you play with him or you see him,

861
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: you're not afraid, you're not scared. You play with him

862
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: before you know he's got two arms to two and

863
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: two legs like I do, so I can beat him.

864
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: So a lot of it has to do that, you know,

865
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: us being able from you know, from Mexico and South

866
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: you know, starting to get closer to the US system,

867
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 2: which is, you know, the top level that you can

868
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: actually dream of. We get it close, you know, on

869
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: an earlier stage of our life. So that's what you know.

870
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: Every one of them, I mean Grilla went to a

871
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: MG Academy. Colors artist Sava North Texas, Huaco, well he

872
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: was a superstar, but most of them they also went

873
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: through a college and also going back to the to

874
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: the instruction and Standpoint Club. I think the last ten

875
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: years with social media with US, I was lucky because

876
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: I was working on tour, but being able to approach

877
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: guys like you and most of the coaches on the

878
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: PGA Tour have a chance to shadow. That's something that

879
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: has no I mean, the amount of value on that

880
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: is unreal. And then you can you can share your

881
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: that knowledge down here, so you know, it's just small things.

882
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: But at the same time, the fact that we can

883
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: work closer to you guys, we're closer to the makeup

884
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: golf is that you know, it's contagious.

885
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we gotta get I

886
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: don't think the two the PGA Tour probably wouldn't do it,

887
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: but I think if Live went down to Latin America.

888
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: I think it'd be great. I mean if we went

889
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: to you know, Walko's home. I mean, I think the

890
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: response and seeing all those good players would be another

891
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: thing that would be really helpful.

892
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember club we had, we

893
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: had the work up in two thousand one. Tiger in

894
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: the Wall came here in Yeah, they did, and it

895
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: was crazy. It was literally close to what was it

896
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: in Australia. What was the name of the place, Adelaide.

897
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: It was kind of like that. It was a real

898
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: so like I remember one day were talking about bringing

899
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 2: it to South America with Huaco was asking and Huaco

900
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: asked me, what do you think will be the CD

901
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: in South America? And I said, I think Buenasari will

902
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 2: be the right place.

903
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'd be great. I mean, and you know,

904
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: the vibe would be great. And you know there's some

905
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: good I mean, there's some good golf courses down in Argentina.

906
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: There's some really good, really good golf courses. All you

907
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: need to do is set up set it up right,

908
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: That's all you need to do.

909
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: And the wine and food, We're not we're not going

910
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: to struggle.

911
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: You know that you can be here plenty of times,

912
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 2: so you know that well you can tell the guys

913
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: that they will they will like it. They by stay

914
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: you in a few more days after that.

915
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 1: ODI, this is this is one of the good stories

916
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: to come. I mean, there's so much with all the

917
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: stuff that's going on in the professional golf landscape and stuff.

918
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: I think what I've tried to do this year is

919
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: focus on, you know, positive stories. And I think for

920
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: someone like you who's you know, caddy in full time

921
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: at the highest level and working with players that are

922
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: winning at the highest level, it's a hell of an

923
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: achievement and you should be really really proud of yourself.

924
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: And I think Camillo definitely owes you a decent bottle

925
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: of red wine for sure.

926
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: Claude, I really thank you. We spend some good time

927
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: this year. You know, we've been to for some time

928
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: out there on leave and I really thank you. I

929
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: know you know, I know you do a great job

930
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: with your players and this podcast. For me, it's awesome

931
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 2: to be here, to be able to talk about golf

932
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: what we love and this is a very small circus.

933
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: We're live in eh and we're lucky enough to have

934
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: a chance to be around these guys, and you know,

935
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: I'm just very thankful to have the opportunity, like I

936
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: said with Camino, So thanks to you club.

937
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: Thank you, celebrate and uh we will see you soon.

938
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: See you soon, buddy.

939
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: So that was Jose Campro And listen, what a good story, right,

940
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: I mean listen, I do. I coach NonStop. I can't

941
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: imagine being a full time instructor also trying to caddy

942
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: professionally and being any good at it. So, I mean,

943
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: what a win for Camillo. I think it's one of

944
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: the feel good wins of the last couple of years.

945
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: And really excited that everybody got a chance to listen

946
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: to Jose's story. He's a hell of a caddy. He's

947
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: a very very good instructor, and super super happy for

948
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: him and Camillo getting a much needed win. I want

949
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: to thank everybody for listening. Son of a Butch comes

950
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: to you every Wednesday. We'll see you next week.